What is, objectively, the best David Lynch film?

>>80335046
they're all good
:^)

>>80335046
They're all good. In my objective opinion the best are Eraserhead, Inland Empire and Wild At Heart.

>>80335046
The Elephant Man, because it's the only Lynch movie in the imdb top 250.

/thread

>>80335046
The Elephant Man and The Straight Story.

Mulholland Drive makes sense, so that one.

>inb4 oh you just don't get it maaan

>>80335046
The Elephant Man. It's me favorite film, alrite

>>80335046
Mulholland Drive

>>80335790
It's a story of unrequited love. The first two hours are Naomi Watts dreaming. The last 30 minutes are Naomi Watts awake.

Blue Velvet of course

>>80335790
Almost all his films make sense, except for LH and IE

>>80335046
Lost Highway

Blue Velvet is the best overall movie, Lost Highway and Mulholland Drive are both equally good and pretty similar in general weirdness and pretty confusing at times, Inland Empire is a horrifying nightmare for 3 hours but I loved it for some reason

Mulholland Dr. I think is his most widely praised (though his fans tend to hate it for some reason), because it has a good balance of being straight forward and being Lynchian.
I haven't seen many of his. I don't get the charm of his idiosyncratic style in Blue Velvet or Wild at Heart. I hated the latter btw. I liked Lost Highway, but it's not as clear as MD.

>>80336007
>I don't get the charm of his idiosyncratic style in Blue Velvet

Blue Velvet isn't as utterly surreal as some of the other Lynch films but once Dennis Hopper comes in the film feels very identifiably Lynch.

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who was in the wrong here?

>>80336123
Well, Jeffrey was fucking Frank's girl...

`My favorite is Lost Highway. It's pretty much the same as Mullholland Drive in terms of narrative structure, but I fucking love the soundtrack and how balls to the walls fucked up it gets.

But objectively, i'm thinking Blue Velvet is the one that might get the most praise from the bigger audiences. I'm cool with that, Blue Velvet is great too.

>>80335046
David Lynch and the Goblet of Fire

Eraserhead, you plebs

It's always been Blue Velvet.

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>>80335046
FWWM is the most underrated

It's ironically dune

Its a masterpiece, deal with it.

>>80336428

UN-ironically god dammit.

>>80336365
got that shit right my man

>>80335046

The Straight Story, probably.

>>80336365
>most underrated
Don't you mean Wild at Heart? It never gets its own thread here, and very few people ever bring it up in Lynch threads.

You get at least one FWWM thread a day, and it's now regarded as a much better film than it was at release.

>>80335046
Inland Empire.
Don't read any of the other posts and go watch it.

Rochelle Rochelle

>>80336593
Not the guy you're replying to, but why did everyone hate FWWM when it premiered? It could certainly use a re-edit with some of the scenes from The Missing Pieces but it's at the very least a 6 or 7 out of 10 as-is. Laura Palmer's death scene alone should've guaranteed the movie some praise.

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>>80335046
Objectively?
Fire Walk With Me.

>>80337673
People were disappointed that Coop was barely in it, the tone and content was much more grim and explicit than in the TV show, and rather than answering many questions that were left from the TV show, the film only made audiences ask more.

ctrl-f "the grandmother"
0 results

>plebs everywhere

>>80335046
>THEYRE STILL WARM
TOPKEK

>ON YOUR FFUCKING PHONE! GET REAL
LEGEND

>>80338380
>the film only made audiences ask more
Surely a critic or alternatively a sensible person wouldn't see this as a negative thing.
I suppose the grim tone and explicit nature of FWWM can be off-putting but it didn't recontextualize much at all. Everything in the film is present in the series, just in a more implicit, subdued way. It's a completely logical direction for a work like this.

I can see why the average Joe might not be a fan of the movie, but how could anyone who called themselves a film critic have disliked it for any of these reasons?

The Coop thing in particular, since fans might be disappointed he isn't more prolific in the movie but a critic should be able to note that Coop himself doesn't have much to do with Laura's story before she's murdered, even if the Lodges blur the line between past and present.

>>80336428
As someone who never read the book i actually liked it

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a candy-colored clown
- they call the sandman -
tiptoes to my room every night
just to sprinkle star dust and to whisper:
go to sleep, everything is alright.

elephant man > blue velvet > mulholland drive > lost higway

It's Fire Walk With Me

>>80335046
Most Lynch is Eraserhead or Inland Empire
Favourite is FWWM
Mulholland Drive and Blue Velvet are probably considered his best

>>80336593
WaH actually won Lynch the Palm d'Or too, so its double weird that its so underrated.

>>80336123
did Jeffrey get raped in the behind ?

>>80336428
This. Dune is pure kino. bookfags are just being bedwetters.

>>80336598
I actually just watched it yesterday and was very confused. With every other film he's directed, I immediately loved it on first viewing. I never understood why people would call his movies 'too weird' or say 'I don't get it'.

I dont get Inland Empire. But to be fair I watched it without any subtitles, so I had literally no clue what was happening in the Polish scenes.

>>80339371
Maybe?

>>80336593
Wild at Heart is very underrated becasue it has Nicolas Cage in it. No one dares to admit to like a movie with him since he became le epic maymay.

>>80338623
>Everything in the film is present in the series, just in a more implicit, subdued way.
That's absolute bollocks. Everything in the TV show was hinted at or implied - the film actually shows all of the violence, it shows nudity, and it shows Laura being raped, taking drugs etc.

There are many reasons to like FWWM, but it is certainly not 'implicit and subdued'.

>It's a completely logical direction for a work like this.
I wouldn't say that at all. Season 2 ended on nothing but cliffhangers, so for the film to be a prequel and not address them isn't logical at all.

You're right about the critics. They should have been objective and reviewed the film for what it is, but it seems that wasn't the case.

>>80340118
>Everything in the TV show was hinted at or implied - the film actually shows all of the violence, it shows nudity, and it shows Laura being raped, taking drugs etc.
That's exactly what anon said.

>>80340118
>That's absolute bollocks. Everything in the TV show was hinted at or implied - the film actually shows all of the violence, it shows nudity, and it shows Laura being raped, taking drugs etc.

That's what he's saying, anon. The series implied the violence of the film. They're both expressions of the same themes.

>They should have been objective and reviewed the film for what it is, but it seems that wasn't the case.
Never got this, though. Film criticism is, at the end of the day, giving an opinion about a film. It's inherently subjective.

>>80340224
>Film criticism is, at the end of the day, giving an opinion about a film. It's inherently subjective.
No, actually, in reality it's about conforming to cultural trends (and current agendas). Many of the same critics are drooling over FWWM now.

>>80340179
>>80340224
Misunderstood what he meant - I apologise anon.

>Never got this, though. Film criticism is, at the end of the day, giving an opinion about a film. It's inherently subjective.
I'm not saying all aspects of a film can be measured objectively. I was trying to say that film critics should have reviewed the film as a film, not as a continuation of the TV show.

I mean they're human so it may have been difficult to get past their biases, but ideally they should have been able to review it for what it was, not what they were wanting it to be.

Lynch is literally has autism and all of his movies have no plot or no deeper meaning it's just pretentious shit thrown together at a wall and passed off as "art".

Look at him in interviews
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtIr_ThveF0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtIr_ThveF0

>>80339443
I think it's normal to be confused, it's something you have to watch with your gut, if that makes any sense.

Eraserhead, anyone who pretends otherwise is a faggot

>>80339308
How was it received at release?
My dad told me that Wild at Heart received critical acclaim when it first came out, but lookng at RT/Wikipedia/etc that doesn't seem to be the case. When I asked him if he meant Blue Velvet, he said he was sure it was WaH.

>>80340445
you just can't comprehend his level of intelligence

>>80340488
it doesn't

>>80340445
You're so angry that you don't understand something that everyone else seems to like.

>>80340684
Too bad for you.

>>80340445
>Lynch is literally has autism and all of his movies have no plot or no deeper meaning it's just pretentious shit thrown together at a wall and passed off as "art".
Not everyone can be Snyder, after all.

>>80340333
A review reflecting what you interpret as an agenda is usually reflecting contemporary social and cultural trends. Obviously people are massively influenced by trends and there are always certain hiveminds but nowadays (mostly thanks to the internet) it's easy enough for hobbyists to express their own thoughts on films, meaning the kind of reviewer who gets paid (and therefore feels a sort of misguided obligation to reflect the zeitgeist or whatever) doesn't inflict as much of a grievance on anyone actually looking for decent reviews, even if the professional field of critiquing or whatever you want to call it is pretty much soulless.

>>80340813
explain

I want to understand it.

How does Twin Peaks rank among all of these?

>>80340938
more like shit peaks its shit

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>>80340938
Lynch directed only 6 of the 30 episodes of Twin Peaks, his episodes though are the most iconic of the series. I'd say they're not really comparable to his feature length films

>>80341098
>not bringing Heather Graham back for season 3
Fuck him

>>80341215
I guess we'll never know how Annie is.

>>80336365
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgwtjVJmHtI

1. Blue Velvet
2. Muholland Drive
3. Eraserhead
4. Lost Highway
5. Elephant Man

>>80337673
Most missing pieces-scenes don't advance the story forward one bit, aren't funny and or are too on the nose and not poetic enough (most notably the Convenience store scene). Mary Sweeney did a great job on editing FWWM.

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>>80336365

>>80336253
babbys first Lynch.

>>80341215
>>80341507
Plebs. If they did list her on the cast list we would already know the answer. They are obviously leaving her out on purpose. Now it can go either way. They might have done the same with David Bowie,.

>>80335046
Fire Walk With Me

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INLAND EMPIRE

>>80343791
Nice save

>>80342267
IIRC Bowie was confirmed

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>>80341975
>mfw

>>80341956
except the whole bit about Teresa finding out that Leland was Laura's dad which drove him to murder her. Pretty big detail.

Also the entire epilogue that shows what happens to the ring is pretty damn important and they completely left it out.

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Scariest film I've ever seen desu

>>80343964
Is it actually scary, or is it Mulholland Drive hobo 'scary'?
I'm tempted to watch it next week

>>80344071
I already knew about the hobo beforehand but that shit in inland empire came out of nowhere and fucked me up

>>80344071
both. probably works better if you see it in the theater with no prior knowledge though. that image alone is a spoiler.

>>80344071
MD scary

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GET THE STICK GET THE STICK GET THE STICK GET THE STICK EFGHET CSIK THE CEH TIK CHTE HTE STKC

>>80344563
Sure do, same thing.

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>>80344563
BRRRAAAAAAAAAAPPPPPP

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>>80336365
It was underrated because it was in one of the dullest franchises in the history of tv franchises. Seriously each episode following the boy FBI agent and his pals from Twin Peaks Sheriff Department as they fight assorted villains has been indistinguishable from the others. Aside from the gloomy imagery, the series’ only consistency has been its lack of excitement and ineffective use of special effects, all to make magic unmagical, to make action seem inert.

Perhaps the die was cast when Frost vetoed the idea of Spielberg directing the series; he made sure the series would never be mistaken for a work of art that meant anything to anybody, just ridiculously profitable cross-promotion for his scripts. The Twin Peaks series might be anti-Christian (or not), but it’s certainly the anti-James Bond series in its refusal of wonder, beauty and excitement. No one wants to face that fact. Now, thankfully, they no longer have to.

>a-at least FWWM was good though
"No!"
The writing is dreadful; the script was terrible. As I read, I noticed that every time a character went for a fire walk with me, the author wrote instead that the character "stretched his legs."

I began marking on the back of an envelope every time that phrase was repeated. I stopped only after I had marked the envelope several dozen times. I was incredulous. Lynch's mind is so governed by cliches and dead metaphors that he has no other style of writing. Later I read a lavish, loving review of Twin Peaks by the same JJ Abrams. He wrote something to the effect of, "If these kids are watching Twin Peaks at 11 or 12, then when they get older they will go on to watch JJ Abrams." And he was quite right. He was not being ironic. When you watch "Twin Peaks" you are, in fact, trained to watch JJ Abrams.

>>80346009
I can't fault this, it's 100% true.

>>80346989
This is rewritten copypasta boy

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>>80346009
>a-at least FWWM was good though
"No!"

>As I read, I noticed that every time a character went for a fire walk with me

>>80347414
Doesn't make it any less true

>>80347440
stop samefagging fuckboy

>>80343939
>except the whole bit about Teresa finding out that Leland was Laura's dad
The movie hinted at that, though, without explicitly telling you.

For those who unironically like Inland Empire, why?

>>80347560
It's extremely unsettling but also gripping and hypnotic.

>>80347501
"No!"

I'M A ONE-ARMED DUCK FUCKER

>>80347671
Dumbland is one of the best things he's made.

who broke the fuckin LLLLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMMMP?

http://www.strawpoll.me/12517640
let's settle this

>>80347587
It's fucking terrifying is what it is, more so thanks to the digital camera

>>80336123
Heineken? Fuck that disease, I won't put it in me!

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>the chicken walk
Do American's really do this?

>>80348085
he dabbin

>>80338425
>that one song that comes in over montage of the boy and grandmother together

>>80344563
One-armed duck fucker

>>80344741
Shut up

>>80348878
>implying david lynch wouldn't find brapposting funny

lighten up

>>80348964
This. He played a recurring character on The Cleveland Show for fuck's sake.

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>>80347560
I dunno. I sure didn't "get" it - as if there's anything to get - but it felt like something clicked into place during the credits.

>>80340024
I have no problem liking a movie with him if it's a good one but Wild of Heart is terrible. I've seen it twice to make sure I didn't miss something. I didn't.

>>80340024
>implying babbies who find nicolas cage memes funny would ever watch a lynch flick anyway

>>80340024
>what is Face/Off, The Rock, Conair....

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Is this shopped?

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>>80350878
Yes, this is the original.

>>80350878
>>80350977
Go back to Facebook

>>80347560
It's fantastic. It's unlike any other film ever made. It's the purest, most thorough exploration of the style & themes Lynch has dealt with his whole career.

The stream-of-consciousness style effortlessly cuts between scenes that take place in "reality," and the main character's memories, fantasies, roles she's played in the past, an what seems to be a telepathic connection to the murdered Polish actress who played her role before her.

And at the end of the day, it's a character study, not just a "style over substance" piece made for the sake of showing off. I've never seen another film that dives so deep into its protagonist's inner life - film is usually more about events & interactions, but Inland Empire is like a great, classic novel that also shows the protagonist's thoughts, feelings, dreams and nightmares.

It is a very long film, and pretty much impenetrable on first viewing, but I think it's ultimately a very unique, rewarding experience for anyone with patience and a serious interest in cinema.

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Is this the only David Lynch film with a coherent plot?

>>80351377
no

Mulholland Drive > Eraserhead > Blue Velvet > Wild At Heart > Elephant Man > Lost Highway > Fire Walk With Me > Inland Empire > The Straight Story > Dune

The Straight Story needs more love tbqh

That musical score is beautiful

>>80336598
Watching that was probably the closest experience to having a nightmare while not dreaming

>>80351796
you're inside a dream right now
wake up

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Dumbland

https://youtu.be/cYHOQ6AQ3Rc

>>80344563
WHEN WE LOOK AT YOU, WE SING THIS SONG


SHIT
HEAD

SHIT
HEAD

>>80351848
>>80351874
let's be real though: this was pure autism.

Literally red herring: the director. Made a career out of film-edgeing.

Probably Mulholland Drive but, I can see the case for somebody saying Blue Velvet, Eraserhead, Inland Empire or FWWM. The Grandmother is pretty great but, that's a short.

>>80351909
the weird thing is that it's really enjoyable to watch

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>>80351752
Yeah it's such a beautiful film all around.

David Lynch has a great eye for scenery. He really knows how to stage his scenes & utilize B-roll footage to get the maximum appeal from whichever location he's filming in. It's always one of the best parts of each movie.

There are so many directors that don't understand this shit at all, they could be filming in the most beautiful locations on Earth, and they'd still let a whole scene play out in tight close-ups with the background out of focus. Lynch gives everything a strong sense of place.

>>80335046
they are all incredibly over rated and simply tailored for pretentious faggots like yourselfs to sperg over and analyse, like there is some sort of greater meaning to a bunch of random scenes and scripts all thrown together.

>>80335922
Even IE kind of makes sense, it's about an actress who starts to act in a cursed film that slowly blends with her real life and drives her mad. A lot of the finer details are incomprehensible, but there is an overarching plot. Lost Highway makes sense throughout except for the detail that it's like two separate films in one, makes sense more than Mulholland Dr. if you just give it the fact that the protagonist turns into someone else.

>>80339371
From what I understand he was supposed to, but the producers felt it would be even too edgy for them.

>>80352063
>just turn off your brain, bro!
>Zack Snyder is my favorite director!

I'm so so glad I'm not you.

>>80352158
>makes sense more than Mulholland Dr. if you just give it the fact that the protagonist turns into someone else.
You can't just let LH go when it comes to the second protagonist though. Is there even a good explanation for it? You're right in that it may as well be two separate films in one, but it's not. Then the events that occur with the second protagonist should effect the first protagonists world but don't.

I mean it's great, but I've yet to see a convincing explanation/timeline of events.

>>80352283
Just keep telling yourself that bro, while you sit watching eraserhead, drinking a glass of your own cum, and smelling your own farts.

>>80351377
Blue Velvet had a completely coherent plot.

Is there some name for the noise I often hear in movies, especially Lynch movies, where its like a distant train horn or something, really sets the scene. Although notice it being over-used more and more lately.

>>80352300
Well I've seen ones saying that he's insane and murdered his wife and then the second life is a fantasy to cope, but really I don't know if there needs to be a good explanation. The two lives feel kind of linked in an inexplicable way (even though they aren't at all explicitly) and it just works. My main point was that there was only one major thing that doesn't make sense, so if you just accept that one thing as happening, the whole movie makes sense.

>>80352063
>>80352390
But why are you so mad about it? Lynch isn't even that "deep," he just likes beautiful women, beautiful American scenery, and dream sequences. I like all that stuff too. His movies are a pleasure to watch.

>>80352553
>Well I've seen ones saying that he's insane and murdered his wife and then the second life is a fantasy to cope

This is the correct answer

>>80352558
His films also always have a fantastic score, dude has an ear for music.

>>80352605
It seems the most likely, but you can use this to explain anything. I do think he killed his wife, but why he changes into another person I don't think is really sure. If you really need a reason, it's probably the best one though.

>>80352553
>so if you just accept that one thing as happening, the whole movie makes sense.
It doesn't though - because whilst you can separate the two protagonists, the first protagonists still visits characters that should be dead if what happened with the second protagonist actually happened. The second protagonist changing back into the first protagonist, who then tells himself the guy is dead, then drives off and seemingly has a fit when being chased (likely the first protagonist being executed). There's more.

You're absolutely right in that the movie makes much more sense if it's seen as two movies - but there are still problems when links form between the two 'movies'.

I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing that things aren't meant to make complete sense - I'm not a fan of people acting like the film has been "solved". Are people aware of the general idea being played with (reality/subjective memories/dreams)? Yes. Does being aware of those ideas bring complete sense to the film? No.

>>80352763
Same sort of thing with Mulholland Drive, the main character can't accept reality so they create a fantasy version to help them cope with what they have done to their lover.

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>>80335790
http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2012/03/04/film-crit-hulk-smash-hulk-vs-the-genius-of-mulholland-drive
for all the small brainers

also
Tier 1 - MD, BV, FWWM, Eraserhead
Tier 2 - Wild at Heart, LH, IE
Tier 3 - SS, Dune, Elephant Man

>>80353083
>http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2012/03/04/film-crit-hulk-smash-hulk-vs-the-genius-of-mulholland-drive
>all caps
No thank you

>>80353213
It's a review by the Hulk, you expect him to do it quietly?

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>>80353213
lmao yeah, the writing style of that guy is actually cancerous, if you can get past that at the retarded 3rd person self reference shit, its not a bad read.

>>80335046
Salad Fingers

>>80353255
>>80353287
Oh, didn't realise it was taking the piss. I just saw all caps and immediately closed the tab.

I'll give it a read later

>>80353083
i'd put Lost Highway up on top if it weren't for some lackluster performances by Pullman, Arquette, and Getty. those three drag the film down. everything else in it is amazing.

>>80335046
Overall probably Mulholland Drive but for me it is Fire Walk With Me but they are definitely both straight 10s

Top 5 are
1. FWWM
2. Mulholland Drive
3. Lost Highway
4. Blue Velvet
5. Eraserhead

>>80352889
I think the difference for me is that Mulholland Drive keeps mentioning dreams over and over and the way it's done seems to show that she is waking up from her dream. Also, the first part is far more surreal and dreamlike, while the second part is much more real (until Naomi Watts has her breakdown). It just overall feels exactly like a dream, and then someone wakes up and we're in something that feels real.

>>80351377
Imagine being confused by The Elephant Man or Blue Velvet

>>80351848
I fucking love that David Lynch was literally making shitty flash cartoons back in like 2002, why did he never get into youtube poops?

>>80336123
Jeffery
He wasn't being polite.

>>80351954
>Mulholland Drive hurt my brain

>>80335046
subjectively, MD
objectively, Blue Velvet or Elephant man

>>80353665
Lost Highway:
>Do you own a video camera?
>No, my husband doesn't like them
>Why's that?
>I like to remember things my own way. Not necessarily the way they actually happened
I got the sense that Balthazar Getty was kinda meant to pass for a younger Bill Pullman

>>80352447
It's a foghorn, it's Lynch's "evangelion train"

>>80352447
You mean the sound at 0:47?
https://youtu.be/GxKPBLjHAEA?t=47s

>>80354367
Yup, that sound IS David Lynch to me.

>>80352447
>>80354602
Do you mean overused by Lynch or elsewhere?

>>80355825
shut up, cunt

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>>80356305
Fuck you.

>>80352228
IMO Dennis Hopper wrecked the film by refusing to follow Lynch's original vision and breath in helium and talk like Mickey Mouse like his character originally was supposed to.

>>80356826
Nah, Lynch realized it wouldn't work and took the advice from one director to another

WILL PHONESHITTERS EVER RECOVER

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKiIroiCvZ0

>>80356900
From what I heard Hopper categorically said he's not doing it and Lynch had to cave in. IMO it would have enriched the film. As it's stands now it's just a decent film, not a great one.

>>80357068
Lynch literally became a phoneposter after this

>>80335629
>the straight story

My dude! It was so refreshing to have a Lynchian movie that wasn't so edgy and crude, and it really brought out some emotions in me

>>80339371
Metaphorically (which for Lynch is literally), yes

>>80355825
Both

>>80339371
Aren't his pants down when he wakes up the next day?