Aren't you glad, /tv/? Pay your respects.

Which show started the 'stupid dad, sexy mom' trope? Now that was innovation.

>>80278994

and now she can't even get a lead role on tv.

>>80278994
SMG aged like milk

>>80279058
>I failed biology 101

>>80278994
wtf does that even mean?

>>80279111
It means we can blame Buffy for the female lead meme.

>>80278994
Burrf was pretty good though to be fair.

>thats not Babylon 5

nice try jews!

bab5 created the future - writer/director types given total creative control. hello hbo.

>>80279028
The Honeymooners

>>80279028
married with children

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Did you always want to be an actor and work in entertainment, or was there a moment on Buffy, or otherwise, when you knew it was it for you?
>Yeah. I studied, I was in theater, I was doing commercials, I was in classes. I had to take some techniques. I was so raw. I didn’t know what the hell I was doing, so for me it was always on. I was enamored by Broadway shows as a kid growing up. I remember seeing Yul Brynner from The King and I in Philadelphia. I was always into theater, and did that on top of playing sports. It was always something that I really wanted to do. Obviously, I moved out and had to find that work and do theater — be in the right place at the right time. It’s been a fantastic journey and I’m still climbing. There’s no [point] where I say “Yeah, okay, that’s it.” No, I love it. I have a desire to do more and show more, which is the exciting part.

This was fun to read. I always thought Boreanaz was just some underwear model who lucked into a career but apparently he actually was into acting as a craft. How charming.

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>>80278994
Buffy is smart, tv budget version of the best eras of the Spiderman comics. The quintessential everyman, or everywoman

This shit has been playing up my normie book all day.

>>80279058
I dunno, m8. I thing SMGs work pretty well if you aim for the head.

>>80278994
I love Buffy

>>80280402
but Buffy doesn't love me :(

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>Twenty years ago, “Buffy the Vampire Slayer” created the blueprint for what we watch today

Name one thing that Kolchak the Night Stalker, Twin Peaks or X-Files didn't do first.

I'll wait.

>>80279785
I thought he was literally pulled off the street, I heard that story several times

>>80278994
i want to cum inside season 1 SMG
that is all

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>>80280506
all the modern superhero tv is based on Buffy more than the comics themselves. Large supporting casts, love triangles, villains that last an entire year NONE of this that you see in Smallville,Arrow and the Flash is from the comics, it's all Buffy.

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>>80278994
I love Buffy. The X Files and Buffy were my favorite shows as a kid and they've aged vey well.

I hope they won't ever ruin it with a ''curretn year'' reboot. I don't want black Willow, female Giles, gay Xander and transsexual Buffy.

>>80279028
The Simpsons

B-but what about Xena? It came way before.

>>80279178
the twilight zone

>>80278994
what do they mean by this? no, really, explain it to me since I'm not american.

>>80279111
It means Joss Whedon (and his pet creation, buffy) are responsible for the cancer plaguing modern TV and movies. You know exactly what I'm talking about. Quippy bullshit, petite women as kung fu badasses that take down 300 lb strongmen, etc.

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Rate the Buffy girls:

Anya > Cordelia > Buffy > Tara > Willow > Faith > Ms. Calender > Dawn > Joyce

>>80280506
Vampires

>>80280621
Who the fuck watches superhero tv?

I hold buffy the vampire slayer directly responsible for the abomination that is TVtropes

>>80280506
Sex robots?

>>80278994
Why has this been getting pushed so hard for the last month or so? I thought I just had some Buffy obsessed hoes on facebook but it turns out this is some kind of concerted agenda.

>>80280794
....Kolchak and Xfiles both did vampires

>>80278994
Buffy is literally the only good feminist show.

>>80279208

this BAM! RIGHT TO THE MOON

>>80278994
Oh so that's why I never watch tv anymore

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>>80280801
buddy DC has 5 shows, marvel has 4, the Power Rangers are still going strong after 20 years plus all the cartoons and shit

>>80280661
Read the comics and you will puke a bit. :/

>>80280801
>Arrow
>the show that saved CW
>most watched show on WB
>so they make 3 more shows which are all popular that air all week

>>80281024
>me on the reft

>>80279208
It's true that the Honeymooners was the first one to do the "bumbling husband, good wife" thing, but they didn't have kids, and it wasn't nearly as exaggerated as later TV shows made it. And it didn't become an all-encompassing meme that applied to literally every sitcom until much more recently.

>>80281024
>Power Rangers

Its going to flop

why the gayest episodes in this show are so awesome?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2rheMw1X4Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Xh8duZ1-j0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iyM6nDt5g8

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>>80278994
What happened to her face? It's like someone rubbed pizza grease on her face.

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>>80278994
If this was true, we'd have much better shows right now.

>>80280937
Joss Whedon's feminism doesn’t include women who are not white, straight and cis. It doesn’t spare a fucking thought for intersectionality and throws any other woman under the bus, and if your version of feminism involves talking over them, then your feminism is exclusionary, privileged, racist and doesn’t do jackshit for women who are less fortunate than you.

Joss Whedon’s promotion of feminism included:

- firing an actress for being pregnant.
- a white cis male defining what feminism is.
- secretly calling Natasha a “cunt” in the Avengers being proud of it.
- women being constantly infantilised and depowered and turned into child-like waifish weeping damsels before being empowered.
- promoting and supporting a film that depicted uncriticised violent American imperialism upon Taiwanese people
- cultural appropriation of Chinese culture (Firefly), giving away the Asian roles to white actors (Kaylee, the Tams) and saying that “Summer Glau looked kind of Asian” when questioned about it.
- transmisogyny and dismissing trans women’s anger.
- equating the barely-human Reavers to the Apache. - casting a white woman in what was supposedly an Asian woman’s role, thereby actively erasing Asian women before they could even get a chance to exist.
- equalled sterilisation and a woman’s loss of bodily autonomy and forced medical invasion to equate her to a monster (Avengers: AoU).
- choosing two Jewish-Romani characters and whitewashing them, despite them having been Jewish-Romani for over 50 years in the comics, ignoring the media context where Romani representation is already minimal and dehumanising.

Fuck Joss Whedon. He is not a feminist.

>>80280661
>gay Xander

So willow really did do it?

>>80280506
A lesbian relationship between regular characters?

>>80281187
>Its going to flop
The trailers for power rangers 2017 had the most likes and views of any trailers this year.

>>80281213
WTF is this real?

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>>80281244
You okay, buddy?

>>80281290
25 millions in one month. Not even spider-man homecoming and Avengers got those numbers. https://youtu.be/5kIe6UZHSXw

>>80281244
Yo thx for the pasta

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>>80281244
>Joss Whedon's feminism doesn’t include women who are not white

Sarah Michelle Gellar and Scarlett Johansson are Jews.

>>80279212
Al was clever and wasn't a pushover, and was respectable and likeable.

>>80280665
Homer started out a family man who wasn't bright, but that didn't stop him from being a good father and husband. By about season 7 he started to change into the doofus retard he came to be. I don't think you can blame The Simpsons, there just seemed to be a wider social paradigm that was emerging in the mid 90s. It's also when Everybody Loves Raymond came out (Ray being a weakling beta cuck domineered by his wife and mother)

>>80279785
BONED

>>80280937
>good
>feminist

Pick one. Buffy is was awful then and still is now.

>>80281244
Can't wait to meme this like the harry potter pasta

>>80281281
because we all know likes and dislikes translates to currency, yeah?

>>80281087
Has Arrow gotten better or does it just keep getting worse? I quit either during or after the third season.

>>80278994

5>3>7>2>6>1>4

>>80281651
3>2>6>5>1>4
Haven't seen 7 yet.

>>80281511
worthless sacks of shit like you are the problem with /tv/

>>80281651
3>2>7>6>5>1>>4

>>80281571
>>80281571
>because we all know likes and dislikes translates to currency, yeah
It did with Cisbusters

>>80281427
>a wider social paradigm that was emerging in the mid 90s
After thought:
Technically late 90s, but I think buffy and charmed are also what came out of this emerging paradigm. I've always thought that these two shows were very similar in principal - strong smart independent women who save their friends and loved ones from dark spiritual forces, while balancing relationship stuff and interpersonal drama along the way. In the latter half of the 90s, there seemed to be an emerging paradigm of gender politics and gender relations that had a strong presence in the media and music. I've always said that there is a major difference between the early 90s and late 90s, and this is one of the reasons.
I have to agree with OPs pic, TV shows like Buffy and Charmed were at the forefront of this 'new wave' of female centred relationship-action-drama shows that we have today, where the relationships and connections and feelings of the characters are perhaps more important than what actually happens, and that the action is a vehicle for the relationship and feelings, not the other way around.

>>80279208
>>80281151
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98qw86DsdZ0

It was a different time

Xander and Giles are early examples of nu-males

F

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>SMG will never be your mom

jdimsa

>>80281651
>>80281696
>>80281738

>1 this low
Eh okay, I love that insanely cheesy 90s vibe

I hated Buffy back then, and I hate television now

fuck, even as a kid I hated those shitty quips and the meme dialogue

>>80281808
omg I can't believe he so brutally asserted his patriarchal biases and bigotry and so shamelessly gave her microagressions without having checked if she had ptsd or anxiety issues first. and then he so arrogantly asserted his self-aware sense male privilege and MANhandled the woman without her initially engaging or expressing prior consent. what a disgusting show! I'm so glad we don't live in the 50s anymore... but then again, I'm not so sure sometimes...

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dude the 2000s lmao

>>80278994

20 years later and I'd still fuck both of them.

>>80278994
I could see it. Never did like Buffy, nor do I enjoy cable tv.

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>>80281876
Which one would you rather marry? Best girl of Buffy, or best girl of Angel?

>>80281977
>>80282000
>all this flat, uninspired, dull, lifeless, hair
I want to go back to the early/mid 90s 2bh, women had beautiful hair back then. it inspired you to touch and embrace it and them, with all its femininity and soft beauty. now it's just 'there' and only just kind of cradle it without revelling in its softness or beauty, ie its femininity. not very appealing.

nice gets though

>>80282107

tough choice, but acker being a texas girl slightly edges out buffy.

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>>80282140
you have to admit the ghoulish makeup is top notch though

>>80282107
Never watched Angle but SMG no longer looks like SMG so I choose the other girl. She looks hot af.

>>80282239
I have to disagree, sorry. I think the best makeup is that which is hard to tell if the woman has it on, where it subtly highlights and improves her look, while not distracting away from her natural features.

>>80282327
yeah, SMG didnt age very well. Shes starting to look like Barbara Streisand. Acker looks more or less like she always did

>>80282432
that was a joke, son.

>>80282718
My mistake, I thought you meant ghoulish in a positive sense, as in pale/contrasting/bold/etc.

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>>80281213
brehs

>>80282218
Texas girls are best girls. The rest of the state is pretty meh though

Buffy was fucking Boring, Angel is where it was at.

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>>80282974
This lad knows whats up

>best girl
>best boy of all time

How can buffyfags even compete?

>>80281275
This. Buffy is the only show I can remember that had a regular lesbian relationship as part of the show and not as some fetish or hamfisted statement.

>>80280661
Season 7 was a bad enough reboot.

>back to school
>phone is your most powerful weapon
>every potential slayer has powers unleashed
>forget about what happened to Faith.

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>>80280801

Because Legion

>>80278994
Sarah Michelle Gellar looks like THAT?!

>>80281244

But that's wrong. Willow was gay and Kendra was black.

>>80278994

Buffy was good because it was well written, had great plots and the politic opinions and arguments where subtly mixed in the subtext. The story and character development always took precedence.

Shows today are just to blunt about ideology and all that and feel more like propaganda.
Add to that that they lack focus on character development and you end up with mild forgettable entertainment.

I seriously think Joss should get back to TV. Now he has directed Avengers movies i think it's less likely that they would cancel his shows.

Also

3>2>1>5>7>6>4

PS Angel

2>3>1>5>4

>>80281876
the fuck is wrong with that kid on the left

What the fuck

>>80285249

His dad is into diaper play

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>>80285249
>>80285288

>>80285131
>Shows today are just to blunt about ideology and all that and feel more like propaganda.
do you seriously think a tv series made by modern Joss Whedon would be anything but propaganda? he lost the plot a long time ago

>>80279028
The Flinstones

My feminist sister and I agree the show went to shit around the time Willow became a lesbo. Still had good episode here and there, but the overall quality tanked.

>>80285372

I have hope... hope that he won't end up like the Watchoskis.

>>80279058
Saw her recently and she was still pretty

>>80286165
I don't, and I hate the fact that the guy who made some of my favorite tv shows turned into such an insufferable faggot. Joss is dead to me.

>>80281024
that ass tho

>Whedonshit

>>80279028
Bewitched.

>>80286385
She's not ugly, but she's definitely not aging all that gracefully. She's not even 40 yet, but she looks like she's atleast 45.

>>80286561
He was only ever the butt of the joke. Samantha respected and loved him very much, never arced up at him, and he was by no means stupid. If anything, he was only put in uncomfortable positions, but that's just what humour is - controlled anxiety.

>>80279178
My nigger

This guy gets it

>>80285131
The first slayer was African but yet the slayer bloodline was amazingly white washed. We had Kendra but of course he killed her off.Then throughout the rest of the seasons of Buffy he adds a few token black people in his show. Not to mention Joss’s response to Buffy lacking diversity was to give a black vampire (who he also killed off) this line:

>Mr Trick: Sunnydale. Town’s got quaint. And the people? He called me sir. Don’t you just miss that? I mean, admittedly, it’s not a haven for the brothers. You know, strictly the Caucasian persuasion in the ‘Dale. But, you know, you just gotta stand up and salute that death rate.

Also, the slayers Spike killed were black and chinese. Kendra was also being easily killed by Drusilla. Buffy and Faith, both white, made it till the show's end. Okay, Buffy died two times and Faith was in a coma but they're both came back.

People can stand for Joss all they want to but he’ll always be a racist misogynistic prick to me.

PS: Girls don't "become" Lesbian. We are born that way. Willow was a completely offensive disgrace.

>>80286810
I can never understand being triggered so hard that you start to bait like this poltard

>>80286810
I've never seen this pasta before, I've seen this one >>80281244 plenty of times, but this one here is fresh to me.

I like it

>>80286810
All women are bisexual, they're just conditioned, by others or themselves, to have a certain persuasion.

>>80286810
>PS: Girls don't "become" Lesbian. We are born that way
t. Lesbian denying the fact that she, much like the vulnerable girls she rapes, was raped into a lesbian by another

>>80286972
>implying /pol/ would make a speech to defend lesbians
Literally hang those animals

>>80286810

Willow did not become lesbian. She was ignored because she was a geek. She THOUGHT she was in love with Xander because he cared about her albeit not romantically.
Then Oz showed her romantic love and she felt she had an obligation to him... but remember he made the first move. She was ALWAYS gay but she just did not know or could not acknowledge the fact because it was not "normal". Maybe you should drop your Marx/ Luther King or whatever and read some Freud?

As for diversity that's not the same as feminism. The show was diverse enough considering that race was never a central topic. Maybe he did not dare to put a black person as a demon/ vampire to avoid criticism or to be a tad subtle. who knows, maybe the producers would not let him (he got cancelled a lot just by making shows that touches feminist issues or even prostitution issues)

Making everything a political stand is not a must either BTW. Wanting that every little thing relates to your political agenda is a rather childish motive to criticize a show with great characters and plot.

>>80280770
>Dawn isn't top of the list

kys

>>80287297
Speaking of the Goddamn infuriating Nice Guy Xander, who slut-shames, assaults, judges, and dumps his way through the female cast and is still somehow billed as the series’ ‘heart’.

The way male sexuality is treated neutrally or rewarded is disgusting. Xander sexually assaults Buffy while under magical influence and pretends to forget about it = no consequences. Xander tries to force Cordelia to love him and casts a love spell on all the women in town = no consequences. Xander has sex with Faith = no consequences. Xander jilts Anya at the alter = no consequences for Xander AT ALL OMG.

Meanwhile, Buffy has sex with Angel = Angel turns evil and tries to kill everything she loves. Oz and Willow shown having sex = Oz turns feral and leaves her. Willow and Tara get back together and have sex = Tara dies and Willow turns evil. Buffy has a relationship with Spike = Xander shames her and then victim-blames her when Spike assaults her. Every other relationship Buffy has = Buffy gets dumped and has her heart broken.

This presents, to me, a picture of a male creator who WANTS to write a Feminist show full of strong characters, female, but is so mired in the tropes and conventions of our patriarchal media that he literally cannot help himself from conforming to them without even realising it.

So basically… Joss Whedon isn’t in any position to be calling himself a Feminist.

>>80287098
from online dating I've learned that all women are straight and love to lie about being bi as a shit-test for men. Basically, they are saying "fuck me really god damn hard"

>>80280770

Vamp Willow > Faith > Season 5 Willow > Dawn > Lilah Morgan > Eve > Jenny Calendar > Darla > Winifred Burkle > Cordy > Season 4 Buffy > Glory > Dru > Tara > Anya

>>80278994
>Buffy the Vampire slayer created the blueprint for what we watch today

BtVS was a mistake.

Whedonfags should kill themselves.

>>80287560
>that list

I've never seen anything more wrong in my life, what is the matter with you?

>>80279178

Go to bed Phil.

>>80287731
Why aren't you watching other men love your woman?

Afraid of what you might discover?

>>80280827

It's the 20th anniversary.

>>80281244

I know this is pasta, but what is "intersectionality"?

>>80287980

it's like a pyramid of grievances with normal people at the top

>>80287297
>>80286810
Are these pastas? I don't usually click on joe sweden threads

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>seeing all these people argue about nothing
>know that you're nothing like them

>>80281901

A true patrician. Buffy has always been embarassingly bad.

>>80288053
I am 96.9% certain this is pasta

>>80286810
>PS: Girls don't "become" Lesbian. We are born that way.

False.

Sexuality is imitative.

>>80287490
>The way male sexuality is treated neutrally or rewarded is disgusting. Xander sexually assaults Buffy while under magical influence and pretends to forget about it = no consequences. Xander tries to force Cordelia to love him and casts a love spell on all the women in town = no consequences. Xander has sex with Faith = no consequences. Xander jilts Anya at the alter = no consequences for Xander AT ALL OMG.

Did you type all that while wearing your problem glasses?

>>80287545

All spaghetti is straight until it gets wet.

Female desire and female arousal is a form of sexual narcissism.

>>80287802

I'm sorry, is cuckolding some theme in Angel and Buffy?

I only saw the movie, and only because Kristy Swanson was in it.

>>80288066

I see the names of characters and my eyes just glaze over.

I'd be more interested if they were talking about Days of Our Lives.

>>80287980

A cult.