Holy fucking shit they're not trying to hide it anymore

explain this like im a idiot please

looks through the leak and there was nothing. no idea why people are freaking out over it

>>80198852
t. CIA Meme Warrior

>>80198539
He is such a fucking pathetic shill

>>80198868
nah

>>80198539
The Central Intelligence agency is not collecting intelligence, trust me I have a tv show

I like Colbert but his guest is lying. He's not a journalist, it's not his job to present 'both sides of the story' he's a fucking late night host.

>>80198551
The CIA is spying on us through our televisions.

>>80198852
Someone give me a quick rundown on this leak. This is the first I've heard of it, unless it's the one I read about earlier with Operation Umbridge or whatever it was called in it.

Why, after Snowden revealed PRISM, do people doubt this?

>>80198852
I know right. It's not like the government has lied before.

WOAH MAN THEY ARE USING ONE ADDITIONAL CATEGORY OF ELECTRONIOC DEVICE FOR THE SAME KIND OF SURVEILLANCE THEY'VE BEEN DOING ALL ALONG!!!! THIS IS SHOCKING AND IMPORTANT AND NOT JUST SOMETHING YOU SHOULD ASSUME OF ANY INTERNET CONNECTED DEVICE IN FUCKING 2017!!!

Phew. So glad the CIA is there to tell me what the CIA is/isn't doing.

I can fully trust them.

>>80199020
You don't get your news from /pol/? Go there and learn what's going on.

>>80199079
wtf i love being spied on now

>>80199020
it's nothing. I've looked through the whole thing

>>80199020
CIA has lots of melware and spies on everything connected to the internet. It's nothing we didn't know and it's non news in the infosec community. In the /pol/ conspiracy alex jones brietbart community, it's wikileaks 'nuking the deep state' with info and it's amazing revelatory stuff It's not

>>80199117
I hope this is just an ironic post.

>>80199156
OK, thanks, now I like all other users of this site can rest safely. Thank you anonymous stranger.

>>80198539
So who the fuck is the bigger boogeyman, CIA or NSA?

>>80198539
Jesus hes looking rough

>>80198539
How based is Colbert?

>>80199120
make the case that the surveillance state does more harm than good then

>>80198539
>General tells us that the government isn't spying on us

Guess that settles it then.

>>80199197
NSA has bigger influence, CIA has no oversite.

>>80199198
he hasn't feasted on human child for months now because they had to relocate the dungeons

>>80198539
You know the scariest thing is that the stuff that comes out now is things they were doing years ago. The stuff they must be doing now must be horrifying.

>>80199167
which is why they trot Colbert out for damage control purposes. The bigger news was just how incompetent the agency was, not just their capability.

>>80199212
I don't want to exchange whatever minimal safety bonus I get for my privacy.

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>>80199177
You tell me

>>80199197
NRO
Nothing is beyond their reach. Nothing.

>>80199183
no problem. make sure you keep on your locations and keep playing pokemon go

>>80199167
It's confirmation you idiot. Everyone assumed what was happening, now we have proof.

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Always remember that if a claim has no evidence to back it up, it means it must be true, otherwise the jew alien lizards from Kluxton wouldn't be controlling the world.

Except if the other side is claiming something. In that case it's unsubstantiated nonsense and only serves to show that everyone who disagrees with you is an idiot.

>>80199156
weird considering that they haven´t released all of it yet

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I hope you guys stop using vlc.

>>80199276
so you'd rather that criminals and terrorists have free reign to use the internet as a means of communicating and coordinating just so some algorithms don't scan over your texts and emails? seems pretty retarded

>>80199345
What does this even have to do with anything?
Are you CIA?

>>80199363
This all makes sense now
holy shit

>>80199363
what is better to use instead?

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>>80199406

>>80199363
What is this suppossed to be doing?

>>80198539
That guy was a shill but he had a couple good jokes.

>>80199201
Not at all since he abandoned the majority of his humor in exchange for virtue signalling and taking a partisan political stance.

>>80199384
>just so some algorithms don't scan over your texts and emails?
Yeah, that's all that happens.

>>80199473
>virtue signalling
there goes your ability to be taken seriously

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CIA is watching you masturbate
what do?

>>80199496
what else happens?

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>>80199470
It's to catch pedos as their videos come in random extensions and vlc can play most

>>80199502
I'm a big guy

We are the resistance, we have the major multinational corporations, the entire media, most of the government, most of the foreign world and the intelligence agencies on our side.
How does it feel to have your great nazi empire vastly outnumbered and encircled by the rebels? We are going to destroy you drumpftards.
We'll see how tough you are when the freedom fighters in the intelligence agencies doxx you so the heroes of ANTIFA can come break your fascist ass and burn your racist ass house down.

>>80199425
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/List_of_recommended_Windows_software#Video_players

You're welcome.

>>80199500
...by some random retard on /tv/ who laps up rich celebrities telling him how great and generous they are?

>>80198539
CIA has technology to spy people through their smart tvs and other devices, however to use said technology they need a warrant and probable cause.

Is anyone actually surprised? Why are people freaking out?

>>80198551
turns out, when the left can't continue importing hordes of spics and niggers into a white country, they become pro-war, pro-corporate and pro-surveillance state.

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>>80199500

>>80199363
>oh muh gawd, they are logging all my pirated kinos to arrest me in the copyright trials!!!1

>>80199537
You know they are just like you and me right? The documents are laced with ironic shitposting the exact same as the stuff you find here. Just how different do you think the neets that work for the CIA are compared to you or I? >>80199532

>>80198539
I hope there is some intelligence value to them watching me beat my tiny wiener.

>>80199500
>/pol/ spergs out about something so we shouldn't talk about it even when it is relevant
Okay

>>80199569
>however to use said technology they need a warrant and probable cause.
Do you actually believe that?

>>80199099
this

>>80199588
I'm not like you drumpftard, orange hitler is going down and if I see you on the street I'm punching your alt-right racist ass out.

>>80199599
do you have a valid reason not to?

>>80199197
CIA has been caught on multiple occasions doing blatantly illegal things
I expect the NSA to spy on me not that I want them to but the CIA does much more suspicious activity under the guise of "gaining intelligence"

>>80199599
>>80199569
The FBI just dropped a child porn case the other day because they didn't want to reveal how they allegedly caught the guy using TOR.

You can assume that there is lots of evidence laundering in modern law enforcement.

>>80199527
It depends on what you say. If you are the most normie person on the fucking internet you might just have your shit accessed and scanned over but if you're someone who used this site odds are that doesn't apply to you and you're on a list with your personal videos, pictures, and files sitting around in some server. Of course, there's barely any oversight and we have to rely on whisteblowers and leaks to tell us any of this in the first place which is always a good sign.

with so many people to spy how do their determine who is a priority?

>>80199569
In Obama's last weeks he made it so intelligence agencies can just share data, like the CIA and FBI just taking anything from the NSA without any legal process.

>>80199650
lol you're really overestimating the intelligence value of this site's userbase

>>80199502
Ask him if he wants to join in and if he wants to give my big guy a hand.

>>80199645
source?

>>80199599
Out of pure interest, what does the CIA have interest in me for? I'm a fucking nobody. I go on 4chan. The only way I see this being a problem is if somewhere along the line, America has enough of whatever government is in charge and tries to rebel, meaning any potential formations of rebels will be crushed before it becomes a problem.

As it is, it's a non-problem for generic users. You think the CIA has time to spend scanning 7 billion people?

Not saying this isn't disgusting, but it's just confirmation of a long held belief that there is no such thing as privacy. But if you're a person of interest to security services, you have more problems to worry about than if you've not installed Gentoo or have a smart TV.

>>80199667
they don't need to do that anymore. They have the technology to spy on everyone.

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>>80199016
Clown nose on and off whenever it's most convenient
The always strong tactic of late night "comedy" defense

>>80199667
Key word searches, I suspect, the frequency they turn up and all that jazz. To the average fucktard, it's not a problem, you're not going to be doing anything illegal enough to warrant attention. If you can find it on Google or through a Google search, you're probably OK. It's when you start delving deep into shit and start talking to people.

>>80199688
They spy on literally everyone. Odds are you've stumbled into some higher level of collection just by saying a keyword and getting caught by a filter.

>>80199599
Not particularly, but regardless, so fucking what?

let's take the reasonable position and assume the US intelligence community is going to follow the law only when it suits them, the sheer volume of data they would collect is immense, meaning no human analyst is going to go through everything, so most of your data would end up in the irrevelant pile where no human would ever look at it.
The manpower limitations would force them to concentrate on actual targets of suspicion.

At the end of the day, this is the world we live in, and there is very little we can do about it, if we don't trust them to follow the rules, then implementing more rules is pointless, at which point we are left with no method to control what the intelligence community does anyway.

>>80199363
>>80199532
Hahaha jesus christ you idiots, did you even read the leaks? Those are a malware dropped onto usb sticks so that cia agents/assets can secretly mine data off of computers while appearing to do something else, like watch vlc or even run a virus scan. It's just their own packaged software, the real software isn't compromised at all

>>80198551
All the /x/ tier shit about spying software is true

The real problem here is that the cia has lost control of a lot of the software and if you look hard enough you can get it yourself

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I'd be disappointed if they didn't have this tech. I'm totally fine with this, desu. They're intelligence agencies. This is their job description.

>>80199117

Holy shit, you're a faggot.

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>>80199545

>>80198539
Honestly at this point if Trump said it is isn't cool to rape women Colbert would rape a girl out of spite and have his confession on the next night while his idiotic fans clapped their hands into stubs. When Trump says it is day, they say it is night. When it is hot, it is cold. These people are so pathetic they want to fight Trump over every little thing and the end result is going to be a "The Boy Who Cried Wold" scenario.

I hope Trump never does anything stupid, because if he does no one is going to give his critics the time of day since they held his feet over the coals with literally everything else. They'll associate a nightmare scenario with triviality. Thanks Colbert.

Should I worry about this at all if I am not an americuck?

>>80198539
https://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2017/02/18/no-one-mentions-that-the-russian-trail-leads-to-democratic-lobbyists/#5b8dc6aa3991

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-as-russians-pressed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html?_r=0

how deep does the rabbit hole really go?

>>80199545
>/g/
It's a confirmed honeypot

That firefox guide was built by a cia man looking to hunt vpn users

>>80199782
and how is that going to affect my life in any way?

>>80199619
No I don't. The government always operates within the confines of the law.

>>80199792
>All the /x/ tier shit about spying software is true
More like /g/ tier shit

>>80199786
and their own systems would catch you if you tried to whip up any support for actually taking actual effective action against them. It's not like the intelligence community has a clean record when it comes to fucking with activist groups.

>>80199710
https://gizmodo.com/fbi-drops-all-charges-in-child-porn-case-to-keep-sketch-1793009653

>>80199894
I guess that depends on how comfortable you are with your shit getting collected by an often malicious force that acts only out of the interest of expanding its own power.

>>80199891
Well, what's your alternative? Winamp?

>>80199573
There is nothing wrong with surveillance. Just look at the crime rates in the UK. They are extremely low in comparison to the USA partly because of the UK surveillance policies.

>>80199856
If you use a smartphone you should, yes.

>>80199616
Big talk from as little bitch

>>80199891
>That firefox guide was built by a cia man looking to hunt vpn users
you got a source on that?

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>>80199019

>>80199999
Lol no they're not. UK is fucking awful for crime.

In terms of TERRORISM then yeah, maybe.

>>80199902
>>80199960
>all of our TEH GOBERMINT IS GONNA GET U conspiracies have been wrong BUT THIS ONE IS TOTALLY VALID YOU'LL SEE THEY'RE GONNA THROW YOU IN THE INTERNET THOUGHT CRIME GULAG FOR YOUR MEME FOLDER!!!

>>80199999
How long until CCTV starts expanding into houses to catch domestic abusers?

>>80199891
maybe but its still a good source for "least botnet "
just needs to be updated more, especially after this

/g/ would never approve chromium or chrome builds as Stallman himself denounced it.

Funny how quickly libtards stopped caring about FASCIST government spying as soon as king purple lips got elected. Even after the snowden shit they were like meh. Guess it's ok when team blue is doing it. I guess now they'll flip back HURR NAZI FASCIST GOVERNMENT mode and start protesting

>>80200076
Did I ever say the CIA was going to through you in a gulag for posting on 4chan? No. I just told you how they were collecting your shit and abusing your privacy.

It's funny, because you were probably among the same crop of retards who thought this level of mass surveillance wasn't even happening in the first place. So now you have had to jump to an even more ridiculousness strawman, I guess to make yourself capable with an inherently discomforting, almost inhumane thought

>>80200082

>slippery slope

>>80199573
Actually left always was pro-strong country. It's GOP who are just bunch of libertarian egotists.
The thing is that people are nothing without a herder. Without Government standards and regulations in all spheres of life they'd go down the deep end instantly.

>>80199120
if you have a cell phone or connect your PC to the internet you are being monitored goy

>>80200134
>retards who thought this level of mass surveillance wasn't even happening in the first place
never really doubted it, but also never really cared because once again... doesn't affect anything that happens in my life.
>an inherently discomforting, almost inhumane thought
lol that's how you would describe the goverment logging muh shitposts? that's a little overdramatic

>>80200167
You mean like what has been happening with the surveillance state for a long time now? No, government never uses one precedent to expand into another.

If slopes don't exist than how do you think anything less than a step away from the original circumstance happens at all?

>>80200167
The law abiding citizen has nothing to hide from the state.

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>>80198551
This guy was literally watching you every time you watched TDKR

>>80200199
>never really cared because once again... doesn't affect anything that happens in my life.
Then don't open your mouth about any kind of political affairs because that argument can be applied to literally anything until one politician literally runs on the platform of finding out where you live and handing you a billion dollar check personally.
>lol that's how you would describe the goverment logging muh shitposts
I do more on the internet than just shitpost. I do more on my cell phone than just shitpost.

>>80200231
The law abiding citizen as everything to hide from a lawless state. The oversight on the NSA and CIA is abysmal.

>>80200300
>I do more on the internet than just shitpost. I do more on my cell phone than just shitpost.

>>I care about this subjet because I am a pedophile
okay anon

>>80200227
Sure, but it's not quite that easy, eventually the government pushes too far and hits pushback.

To assume without any other reason but "they've expanded before" is pointless, yes we should be wary and keep an eye on the government, but this kind of childish hyperbolic nonsense, is just that, fucking nonsense.

>>80200348
Please then anon, just post your entire internet history to your employer. Only people who are pedophiles want privacy rights. What a genius you are.

>>80200300
>UR NOT ALOWDA HAV OPINIONS BECUZ UR NOT SCARED LIEK ME
lol
>I do more on the internet than just shitpost. I do more on my cell phone than just shitpost.
what are you part of some edgy irc that talked about "overthrowing teh evil jooz in teh media"?

>>80200381
>just post your entire internet history to your employer
lol this totally absurd hypothetical totally doesn't weaken your argument in any way

>>80200134
Do you realize how many emails are sent every single day? Rough estimate, world wide, is 270 billion. It is quite literally impossible for any organization to meaningfully monitor communications of this scope.

The scandal isn't that it's happening. It's that if it is, it's by far the absolute stupidest method of intelligence gathering ever conceived. Compounding internet activity with telephone surveillance and, now, smart tv based espionage only makes it all the more laughable.

The number of false positives alone would render the entire surveillance system completely inoperable.

>>80200383
>>80200416
>lol
here are your (You)s

>>80200367
Like the current surveillance state has hit pushback that accomplished fucking nothing? I'm talking about the states, I don't know how Brits view it. But there'd be a massive fucking uproar just in 2007 or so if a CCTV system was proposed here. Now people wouldn't give a shit. Not because of a change in principal but just because they're desensitized and the government can get away with that shit.

>>80200445
>u talk difernt than me, so i win!
also thanks for revealing you're too young to remember when lol was commonplace

>>80200416
How? You're the one pretending that the only people who care about privacy are pedos. Calling me a pedo - what do you call that, if not an absurd hypothetical?

>>80200502
that wasn't me, but you do sound like you have something to hide with your "i do other things" post

>>80200502
>care about privacy
also i think this isn't a valid way to frame it, i really dont see how recordings that they'll never obtain a warrant to access are compromising my privacy. you do realize it's not just your conversations right? it's literally everybody's. none of it gets touched by actual human employees unless it has a reason to be

>>80200534
If I was aware of the surveillance state and, as you must think, paranoid about it, do you really think it'd make that kind of an error? Googling for kid shit? I don't even type out the words because I don't want to draw attention to myself

>>80200439
It is about making people feel watched (even if it would be impossible to actually watch that many people) as a means of suppressing dissent- terrorism is just a way to sell it to the public

>>80200449
Sure, but it's a pretty big leap from this to government surveillance of bedrooms for domestic abuse.

We need to get rid of the federal reserve before anything else, don't hear anyone talking about that though do we. Jailing those wallstreet crooks and removing them from government should be next.

>>80200600
so then what are you worried about being pulled out of your file?

>>80200584
Surveillance is bipartisan, both sides want it as we saw with Bush and Obama and both sides are willing to let them run rampant. Obtaining a warrant isn't an issue for them. Something like 97% of warrants are approved for searching through individual phones and taping them. I don't care if somebody is personally looking through all of my shit, the fact that its collected and stored is enough.

>if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear
Really? You're unironically, sincerely saying that garbage?

>>80200630
I don't want them to know my fucking cooking recipes, just like I wouldn't want cops rooting through my house every day.

My biggest fear for the future, not even affecting me, is that the records get shared with corporations so employers can look through lifes beyond what they can even catch on a careless facebook users profile.

>>80199727
>You think the CIA has time to spend scanning 7 billion people?

They probably have some advanced computer wizardry constantly scanning the data they collect. While I also don't think CIA is particularly interested in whatever legal fetish porn I'm fapping to today, the problem with this is more about the slippery slope effect. The more they spy on us, and the more the population feels okay with being spied on, the more they can spy. We're probably not far off from a future with cameras everywhere tracking every step you take

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>pre-trump
"FUCK THE CIA/NSA DUCT-TAPE YOUR WEBCAMS THE GOVT IS SPYING"
>post-trump
"The government did nothing wrong. Let's all go back to laughing at drumpf!"

>>80200695
yes, still hasn't been refuted. just a bunch of people like this >>80200671 who seem to care more about the principle of privacy than what it actually means for them in practice (nothing, basically).
>>80200728
>I don't want them to know my fucking cooking recipes
and again, where are you getting this idea that they are just going through random non-sensitive data for fun tidbits?
>just like I wouldn't want cops rooting through my house every day
lol actual people being inside of your home is kind of apples and oranges to shit sitting on a server hundreds of miles away, in all likelihood never being pulled by anyone for any reason

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Remember when liberals hated Bush for the Patriot Act?

>>80200732
So what do you propose we do?

Setting more laws to control the issue appear to be worthless as people assume that the intelligence agencies will simply spy and collect data illegally, so further legistlation and control won't help.

Complaining on the internet won't help much either.

>>80200816
No, because Bush is a liberal.

>>80199925
>The true controversy in the Playpen cases stems from the fact that the FBI continued to operate the site rather than shutting it down after seizing control. According to a motion filed by the creator of Playpen’s lawyer, the FBI improved the site’s performance, driving more users to it. The motion claims the “website’s membership grew by more over 30 percent” and that the “unique weekly visitors to the site more than quadrupled” during the time it was operated by the government.
Mother of kek. Not only did their case against him get the axe, they made fapping to CP way easier and user friendly.

>>80199999
MI5 seem to be very good at preventing terrorist attacks, even CIA is desu. But MI5 couldn't give a fuck about domestic crimes. Our police are absolute shit and focus their efforts on imprisoning people for being mean on Twitter, rather than concerning themselves with rapes, thefts and murders.

>>80200804
Are you literally a CIA shill?

>>80200804
I don't care if they have someone personally rooting through it. As I said the fact that its being collected is enough. I don't see much of distinction at all. That's why I don't see it as much different from a cop rooting through your house. Because you're saying I have nothing to hide as a law abiding citizen. But I do. It's legal shit I want to hide, but I still want to hide it. If its being actively collected, its not being hidden.

>>80200849
I don't think there's anything to do at this point. Snowden got exiled to Russia for his leaks and no one gives a shit about the information he sacrificed his career for. Still don't like how some people seem to be okay with this though, they're just speeding up the process

>>80200907
no, i just literally dont care much about surveillance
>>80200921
but the ability to totally secure your mundane shit means the ability to totally secure your sinister shit, and that's something that nobody on your side of the issue really seems to be addressing

>>80200972
Good goy. Surveillance is just to protect everyone! Surely a dumb silly computer program couldn't process all the results.

>>80200618
But it doesn't for the exact same reasons I just said.

>there was nothing
>Germany is literally threatening legal actions and demanding an explanation

So glad Baghdad Bob lives on in different shapes.

>>80200804
If you honestly cant see the possibility of abuse, blackmail, political/legal sabotage with the use of this technology then please do the world a favor and wear a noose.

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>>80200804
You realize it's a logical fallacy, yes?
>If you have nothing to hide
Which means what can defined as something you'd want to hide is the basis of the whole thing. Society's values change, seemingly overnight, so what was once okay is now considered evil. Let us consider, for example, the fluidity that is the definition of rape. Which went from forceful, unconsenting sex to "she didn't say yes." In other words, the "thing" to hide changes constanty, and you will slip up and get busted.
Furthermore, why not post your social security number and facebook passwords? You have nothing to fear, right? :^)

>nothing to fear
Which plays up an emotional appeal and equates your evil shit with your good shit. It also makes the arguer against surveillance look like a shady and untrustworthy individual.

>>80200968

I wouldn't say no one gave a shit about the information Snowden leaked, the problem i feel is the one i outlined in my previous post, either we trust that the intelligence agencies follow the law, which would ensure that the people can be relatively sure they are not being spied, or we don't trust them to follow the law, at which point we've lost control of them already and we can't do anything about it.

Besides, there are vast chunks of people who simply don't follow news or stay up-to-date on topics like this, these things are just background noise that never touches them personally, so they don't care, it sucks, but again, it's not exactly a modern sentiment.

>>80200972
If I were you, this is when I'd say that other people committing crimes doesn't affect me, so why should I care. Instead, I'll say that we functioned just fine as a society before the domestic surveillance state grew to its current form - and before you bring up 9/11 that was the fault of incompetence and ignoring intelligence, so having a different method of collection wouldn't have changed much, its not a good tradeoff in my eyes, and I'm not against a foreign intelligence gathering.

>>80199065

Because Trump is saying it's true as well.

And we can't agree with Trump. Not ever.
If Trump says "The sky is blue", we have to immediately believe the sky is purple and that it has ALWAYS been purple, and that Trump is an idiot for saying it was ever blue and that all his supporters are stupid alt-right sheep for agreeing with him.

>>80198539
>defending the CIA
how could anyone take this faggot seriously

>>80201064
>You realize it's a logical fallacy, yes?
>Furthermore, why not post your social security number and facebook passwords?
and then later on
>plays up an emotional appeal
>your evil shit
your pretty good at defeating your own points
>>80201007
>>80201058
more intellectuals arriving by the minute
>>80201128
>If I were you, this is when I'd say that other people committing crimes doesn't affect me, so why should I care.
actually i wouldnt say that because that would be retarded
>Instead, I'll say that we functioned just fine as a society before the domestic surveillance state grew to its current form
well that's very folksy of you, but i'm of the opinion that we have to keep up with technology
>and I'm not against a foreign intelligence gathering
lol so your stance on the issue is basically not in my backyard?

>>80201128
The CIA let planes crash into building and let faggot nightclubs get shot up by pedophile worshipers because it actively benefits them. They don't secure the safety of anyone.

On the one hand if it catches pedos and terrorists I want to support it but if they're just spying on everyone without warrant or reason then I'm against it.

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Media Question President Donald Trump's Mental Stability | The Last Word | MSNBC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMhOY_9ZIng

>>80201161
Snowden happened before trump dipshit, take off your tinfoil hat

the reality is that 99% of americans are braindead stupid and don't vet information for themselves nor do any research, this just happens to coincide with the type of people that defend trump being a retard 24/7

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>>80200892

What the fug

>>80198551
Wikileaks revealed what we've known for years, and now that the goyim know, it's time to shut it down

>>80201227
>plays up an emotional appeal
>your evil shit

Yeah ok, you're just shitposting.

>>80201277
>>80201062
wow I hate drumpf now

>>80201227
>more intellectuals arriving by the minute
Nice refutation. Now I truly see the error of my ways NSA-kun

>>80201062
fake news spends 20 minute segments on conspiracy theories now?

>>80201161
lol that's a nice inversion of the reality that the rest of the world is observing
>>80201288
how is it shitposting to point out that you're accusing me of using emotional appeals while simultaneously describing my positions as "evil shit"? that's sounds pretty emotional to me
>>80201297
>implying i need to refute "HURR GOOD GOY" or "KIL URSELF IF U THINK IM WRONG"

>>80201279

>Snowden happened before trump

And that has what to do with what, retard?

>>80200244
like poetry

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The Russian Developments That Matter Most | The Resistance with Keith Olbermann | GQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74wMmVfxiKo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DcATG9Qy_A

>>80201336
>>implying i need to refute "HURR GOOD GOY" or "KIL URSELF IF U THINK IM WRONG
You're right, I wasn't aware you were a sensitive maiden. Allow me to reiterate:

If you honestly cant see the possibility of abuse, blackmail, political/legal sabotage with the use of this technology then please do the world a favor and continue sharing your wonderful opinions with us. Love you dumpling. How's your day going?

>>80201391
>If you honestly cant see the possibility of abuse, blackmail, political/legal sabotage with the use of this technology
i can't see anyone in this thread making a decent case for it, that's for damn sure

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FBI Director James Comey Asked DOJ To Refute Trump’s Wiretapping Claim
He said the president’s allegation was false.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/fbi-james-comey-trump-wiretapping_us_58bc8548e4b0d2821b4edb91?10xp9z7s0y4eoecdi&

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>a literal CIA shill ITT

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Watch As Donald Trump Repeatedly Admits — And Denies — A Relationship With Putin
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-putin-relationship_us_58b7db66e4b01fc1bde5e5b0?

>>80201416
A case? The technology exists. And men use it. Men are fallible, flawed, and selfish beings. Software can be leaked/stolen, or used to their own ends.

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Trump Team’s Ties To Russia Face Sharper Scrutiny Amid New House Probe And Explosive Reports
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/house-intelligence-committee-trump-russia_us_58b779c8e4b023018c6cf744?

>>80201421
www.politico.com/story/2017/03/james-comey-to-serve-full-term-235818

I like how Comey is pretty much telling Trump to "go ahead, try to fire me", it's fucking hilarious.

>>80201473
I wonder how much he gets paid

>>80201473
It's probably a bot that posts in threads that have certain codewords in it.

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House Intelligence Chairman Not Interested In A Trump-Russia ‘Witch Hunt’
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/devin-nunes-trump-russia_us_58b45bb3e4b0a8a9b784c1f8?

>>80201496
checks and balances also exist though

there you go, now my case is as strong as yours

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Meet the 23 Republicans blocking Congress from seeing Trump's tax returns. Is your rep on the list?
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/2/15/1634026/-Meet-the-23-Republicans-blocking-Congress-from-seeing-Trump-s-tax-returns-Is-your-rep-on-the-list

>>80199167
whats different this time is that CIA is confirmed to have been hoarding vulnerabilities and zero day attacks and then LOST THEM

that means China, Russia, and any random criminal now has access to CIA-tier zero day attacks

>>80198539
SO...

whats with the autist spamming shillington post links

>>80201638
It's a Trump supporter false flagging. I've seen him on /wsg/ a lot.

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>>80201597
>>80201561
>>80201483
>>80201421
>>80201362
>>80201277
>>80201062
really made me think

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Trump Administration's Litany Of Mistakes Indicates Malice Or Incompetence | Rachel Maddow | MSNBC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Qft97GKiF4

>>80198539
>It's the Hillary jar opening all over again

>>80200439
What's the average size of those emails? They can easily store those indefinitely

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Resistance To Donald Trump Grows With Local Roots | Rachel Maddow | MSNBC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJzY7jwQm0o

/POL/

IS ALWAYS

RIGHT

>>80201568
You're going to continue being that childish huh? While knowing about the hacking of the DNC? The leaked information about the capabilities of the NSA? The ability to hack SmartTVs to listen in on households? The ability to hack into cars autonav systems and crash them?

>>80201796
you need to update your links shareblue

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176 Shocking Things Donald Trump Has Done This Election | The Closer with Keith Olbermann | GQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQueaSlvjCw

>>80201766
Sure, but what are the odds any actual data analyst will look at them, they get checked and flagged if a pattern is detected, and then someone will actually take a look, so even if they would hold every email you ave ever mailed, the chances of anyone ever looking is slim to none.

>>80201849
keith olbermann is utterly insane
funny to watch
he's made like 40 videos screaming about how Trump has to be impeached lol

>>80201855
just never speak out against them publicly or they might plant a little CP on your hard drive
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kompromat

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A Totally Real, 100% Valid Theory | Full Frontal with Samantha Bee | TBS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LFkN7QGp2c

>>80201597
>3 Texas names

But why? If he has nothing to hide why fucking hide it?

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>>80201910
>>80201849
>>80201796
>>80201597
>>80201520
Is this a CIA bot in action ?

His posts are extremely robotic. A random gif alongside a headline from liberal outlets

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>>80198551
more wikileaks out

>>80201855
And how do you know things will stay that way? They'll have your every communication, audio and video recording going back decades, who knows why they might want to look through them in the far future

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Steve Bannon: The Most Powerful Person In President Trump's White House | The Last Word | MSNBC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9NXz7qRjLE

>>80201898
Yeah, if you're russian. Kompromat is fairly difficult to actually manage without leaving at least some sort of evidence behind, just check the wikipedia site you linked.
It works in russia becausethe country is corrupt as hell, trying to prove your innocence against corrupt officials who are told to make sure you're guilty is near impossible, but in the western countries it simply does not work as efficiently.

What it can do even here is wreck reputations, when stuff like this would leak, people will remember, but they might not pay attention months later when it comes out that the information was false.

>>80200094

It's funny you say that because Trump was in favor of executing Snowden

>>80202004
Things will stay that way until you raise enough red flags.
The reason they keep that information is so they can look back and sift through information on someone who has recently raised enough red flags to be suspicious.

your mundane life holds no interest to them.

It's funny when you think about it, because it's quite obvious that all the intelligence agencies have absolutely no way of effectively parsing through the insane amounts of data they must collect. I mean, every time there's a terrorist attack in the US or Europe there's always a story within a week where they say "oh yeah, huh, turns out we had a bunch of info that would have probably pointed us to him". But it's always after the fact, when they know exactly what to look for. That, in my opinion, is the proof that they know that this kind of data collection is nearly impossible to use proactively. If they can't even catch Sadiq Khan before the act, what makes you think they care about some stupid anon like you downloading BRips and masturbating in your living room?

>>80201062
Who's this glistening temptress

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Trump's Unfounded Accusations of Wiretapping: The Daily Show
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7p7ALg1qRg

>>80202149
The hard part in the past was getting the info now they're half way to some global 1984 shit and that is cause to be worried no matter who you voted for.

>>80202146
>your mundane life holds no interest to them.
Doesn't make it okay

>>80202149
Still, if they have your name they have everyone you have talked to, every place you've gone, transcripts of all your phone calls, all your text messages, all the websites you've gone to, everything you've purchased using a credit card or online, etc

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'No Impulse Control': President Donald Trump's Focus On The Short Game | Morning Joe | MSNBC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGDwYIACj7g

>>80202202
Sure, but there's not much we can do about that now.

Many things in life are not ok, but such is life.

>>80202239
They do. But that's the point. They have billions of names and trillions of records. If it wasn't a logistical nightmare, they'd catch more terrorists before they struck.

>>80202191

whos is this ejaculate advocate?

>>80202241
W-who

>>80200816
Yea and never mentioned it again when the Obama Administration continued it.

>>80199384
>so you'd rather that criminals and terrorists have free reign to use the internet as a means of communicating and coordinating just so some algorithms don't scan over your texts and emails? seems pretty retarded

Man, you liberals did a 180 on your principles the instant Trump got elected, didn't you?

>>80199167
you're literally retarded if you don't think every relevant OS, desktop and mobile, being completely insecure is no biggie. Reply with "if you have nothing to hide then you shouldnt be worried" please.

>>80199537

>nobody cares about your posts
>you will never fight a cosmic battle of good vs evil
>you will never get your war
>you will never do anything meaningful with your life
>almost nobody will care when you die
>your life and death will be remembered by nobody but your immediate family and then forgotten in 3-4 generations
>you will disappear into the ether, never having had an impact on anything

Stop fucking larping, you retard.

>>80201955
>Lost it all to the enemy, for free
top kek

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'Swirling Paranoia' Takes Over The White House | Morning Joe | MSNBC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTb2K6LXtxs

>>80202634
>CIA intentionally collects and hides vulnerabilities
>loses the info
>now every OS, every business and every U.S government official is wide open to foreign intelligence agencies and or criminals

yeah nothing to worry about there

>>80202728
>assuming most important facilities don't have better protection than fucking Norton Antivirus

>the intelligence agencies blame everything on Russian hackers
>the media scream "THE INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES WOULDN'T LIE TO US! THIS IS PROOF THAT TRUMP IS LITERALLY HITLER!"
>the intelligence agencies claim that they aren't hacking into your electronic devices to spy on you
>the media once again scream "THE INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES WOULDN'T LIE TO US!"
>Trump claims that Obama wiretapped him
>the media scream "WHERE'S THE PROOF?!"
This is some of the most blatant hypocrisy I've ever seen. By the end of Trump's presidency no one will trust the media.

>>80202469
just like republicans never mention that their presidents have never done anything about immigration despite the fact that they all act like its the end of the world if some brownskin works a lawn mower

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>>80201601
What's a zero day attack?

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>>80202805

weak bait man

>>80199573

but it was the right who invaded iraq and afghanistan, implemented the patriot act and oversaw a disastrous 8 years which culminated in a massive economic crash?

>>80202807

Nothing hypocritical about this, seriously.

Intelligence agencies still have checks and balances to keep them in control, however i'm not naive enough to believe they don't try to pull some illegal shit when possible, Trump on the otherhand has a history of flying off the handle with silly accusations without any shred of proof.

>>80202813
Coming from the side that thinks it the end of the world when a white person wins an Oscar over a black person?

>>80202899
But Obama continued to fuck up the middle east and gave the government more power to spy on citizens even though he claimed he would do the opposite?

>>80198539
>believing that the """"privacy advocates"""" who worked with the KGB to get dissidents arrested have your best interests at heart

There are 5 pillars of information warfare: to disrupt, deny, degrade, destroy, or deceive. And as far as the Russians are concerned, it is working fantastically.

>>80202807
Ever heard of Project Mockingbird? You know, when the CIA used the media to lie and control the population? Seems like they never stopped

>>80202852
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-day_(computing)


basically an unrevealed vulnerability

the CIA was buying them up and developing some themselves, and not telling Microsoft/Apple/Google etc about them so they could hack 99% of all tech devices on Earth.

then they fucked up and their library got loose so now those vulnerabilities are in the hands of random countries/criminals

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The government is afraid of our meme powers.

>>80199999
lel if there's one nation to never follow it's britcuckistan

>>80199065
Snowden is lying piece of shit whose story doesn't hold up the slightest scrutiny.

>>80202871

Might have been a bit of hyperbole, but assuming that the alphabet agencies are also at least partly responsible for cybersecurity of the US, you would assume they will try to protect the government from the tools they have lost, or tools they know the enemies have?

Smaller businesses and such are kind of fucked.

>>80202915
>Trump on the otherhand has a history of flying off the handle with silly accusations without any shred of proof.
The intelligence agencies have a history of making up shit without any shred of proof. Fuck off, shill.

>>80202813

>their presidents have never done anything about immigration

Except they do, with Liberals kicking and screaming and crying "RACISM!!!!" every time.

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>>80198539

>central intelligence agency
>doesn't gather intelligence

>>80202965
Well I guess they could resolve it by telling those companies about all the exploits they had and lost.

Surely the CIA would be forthcoming about that, right?

>still using vlc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTLnKG5wu6U

>>80202980
you're assuming that the CIA is now going to work with tech companies to help them patch the vulns they were keeping hidden from them

so either the CIA helps them fix those, and loses a lot of their hacking capabilities.

or they don't, and keep their hacking capabilities but so does everyone else.

>>80202915
>yeah, the CIA have lied...
>B-BUT TRUMP IS A BIGGER LIAR! HE'S THE WORST! THE MEDIA AREN'T BEING HYPOCRITICAL AT ALL!
Do you get paid to guzzle CIA cum or do you do it for free?

>>80202974
oh shit they're on to us
(ง ˙o˙)ว

>>80202982

Sure, but they are still under scrutiny from the government. Checks and balances, while not perfect, do exist.
Trump however has lost all credibility when it comes to stuff like this, the man has access to classified and restricted information but would rather follow questionable sources and then tweet those as gospel without fact checking anything.

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>>80198852
>He read through 8000+ pages of leaks.

>>80203121
>has access to classified information
>thinks he doesn't know if he was spied on or not

which one is it?

>>80203058
They do work with tech companies, several nations do loads of corporate espionage, part of counterintelligence is to limit foreign powers ability to do so, so yes they will help the tech companies, but again, i'm sure they won't tell them all of the vulnerabilities they have found.

but as i said, smaller companies and businesses are kind of fucked.

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>>80202974
Why is the government so bad at understanding memes?

>>80203175
You're assuming he has actually talked to any of the heads of intelligence about this issue, evidence from CIA and FBI seems to indicate he has not.

And this is why Trump has lost credibility, he is tweeting about stuff he sees in the media he likes before talking to people who would actually know.

>>80203121
You are a literal sheep.

BAAAAAA

>>80203272
What evidence

>>80203288
Great counter argument there, you must be the head of the debate team.

>>80198551
The guys who are suspected of spying on you say they are not spying on you.

>>80203127
He's right, I just skimmed through it, doesn't look like there's anything substantial.

>>80199500
>people don't say "correct opinions" to look good for their peers and if you suggest they do well then sorry but i delet u
wew lad!

>>80199537
>We are the resistance
>We have nearly everyone on our side
>You are the fascists
This makes no fucking sense you mong. You aren't "resisting" shit if you have ALL the power. You are the fascist imposing your will on those who disagree.

>>80203121
>Sure, but they are still under scrutiny from the government. Checks and balances, while not perfect, do exist.
Yeah, the same checks and balances that let them lie about Iraq. The same checks and balances that let them do Operation Mockingbird. Boy, those checks and balances sure are useful. They really stop the intelligence agencies from blatantly lying. Fuck Drumpf, we should never question the intelligence agencies because they have "checks and balances".

>>80203319
I'm assumnig you're asking what evidence there is that there has been no Obama sanctioned phone tapping?

Well, said phone tapping would have been done by the FBI, which James Comey, director of FBI, has flat out denied, Trump has responded by saying he does not believe Comey, yet has again, provided no evidence.

>>80198539
HE 'S BROWSING 4CHAN RIGHT?
I MEAN THIS IS DIRECTED TOWARDS US HE IS TRYING TO TRIGGER US HAHA
>who the fuck else cares about alex jones,cia leaks, and pizzagate

>this thread

/tv/ confirmed a herd of nigger cattle

>>80198539

Stephen Colbert is a conservative kike. He knows exactly what he's doing.

He's keeping his liberal retards satiated.

>>80199999
>surveillance state
>mass rapes of 1500+ women happen anyway
k

>>80203419
So are they denying there was any tapping, or that Obama himself pushed it

>>80199302
>he thinks pressing a button on his phone that says "turn my location off xddd" does anything at all
Do you have any idea how computers work you literal retard. Android is largely nonfree software meaning it doesn't give a Fuck what you do, the CIA/NSA can do whatever they want regardless of your """"""settings"""""""

Kys

>>80203400
Because Trump would not need fucking spies in HIS spy agencies, they work for the United States and the President, Trump has access to all data they have. So either, Trump is basing his allegations on nothing, or the FBI is apparently in the middle of a coup d'etat and witholding evidence from the president, now which one of these scenarios is more likely?

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Birth of a conspiracy theory: How Trump's wiretap claim got started
http://money.cnn.com/2017/03/06/media/mark-levin-joel-pollak-breitbart-trump-obama/

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Reminder that the Obama administration's CIA director was literally a communist-voting muslim.

No, I am not being hyperbolic. He literally voted for the communist party and converted to Islam. The CIA is a fucking cancer.

The fuck does this have to do with television and film?

Sage for off-topic garbage. Take this to /pol/ or /x/

>>80201568
>checks and balances also exist though
not for the CIA

that's the fucking point

they literally got butt-mad at the NSA for having more power than them so they created their own "mini-NSA" inside their organization with no government oversight. That's not ok. The CIA is not supposed to handle domestic affairs ANYWAY that's the FBI's job.

>>80203408
Operation Mockingbird was formed under National Security Council, with presidential authority.
It was after the presidential use of CIA that many of those checks and balances were put in place in the first place.

Touting Operation Mockingbird as some sort of essential proof that CIA is super evil for realz is completely ignoring what steps were taken after it.

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>>80203106

>>80201955
if CIA pretends to be russia, does that mean CIA was really behind the DNC hacks?

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>>80203626
And yet these new checks and balances didn't stop them from lying about Iraq. But never mind that, we should trust them anyway because Trump is the most evil person to ever exist. Obey.

>>80203471
The last i read about it, and i fully admit i could be wrong, is that there was no wiretapping.

Several experts have also said that even if there was, the president does not have such power. You need a warrant, and a judge to actually authoritize such an action, so the president can't just order a wiretap.

>>80201568
Not for the CIA you dumb retard.

>>80203674
what if the CIA did it without presidential orders? what is if the US government is now controlled exclusively by intelligence agencies? do we live in a cryptocracy?

>>80203674
I'm pretty positive that people around Trump were tapped, and the President can do whatever he wants since all his people ran the various agencies.

>>80203613
Are you really this dumb?

CIA reports to the National Security Council, the President's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board, the Intelligence Oversight Board,House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence and the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence.

If those are not checks and balances then i don't know what is.

>>80198539
So is Colbert saying he is or isn't? I don't want to watch it or give it more views.

>>80202146
Until they decide you're a threat.

>for years the left had all sorts of conspiracies about Bush
>if you ever said something like "muh checks and balances" they would laugh in your face and call you a government loving sheep
>now suddenly the left is acting like there's no way Obama or the intelligence agencies could be corrupt
>if you question the intelligence agencies in anyway you get shouted down with "MUH CHECKS AND BALANCES"
Really makes you think.

>>80203741
CIA can act without direct presidential orders, but they still report to the National security council which reports to the president.

For there to be a actual cryptocracy would be incredibly hard to pull off.

>>80203742
But the agencies run under a set of rules, and they follow these rules partly for self-protection and self-preservation as well, can you imagine how fucked the FBI would be if they carried an illegal wiretap against a presidential candidate on the orders of the current president?

Shit like that happens in books and movies but rarely if ever in actual real life, well, not in western nations anyway.

>>80203839
>>now suddenly the left is acting like there's no way Obama or the intelligence agencies could be corrupt
Maybe some evidence would be nice.

>>80203954
Did you not read the
>for years the left had all sorts of conspiracies about Bush
>if you ever said something like "muh checks and balances" they would laugh in your face and call you a government loving sheep
parts of my post?

>>80203954
You mean like the vault 7 leaks?

>>80202899
>the right
No, those are all NeoCon policies. Jews(and Jew lackeys) who co-opted and took over the GOP. See: McCain, Graham, Cruz, Ben Shapiro, etc.

>>80200172
Wrong.

Left isn't strong country, its strong government. They're against nationalism but want morality to be defined by the state.

>>80203881
Yeah but it is illegal for them to act on the USA.

>>80202915
>The government has checks and balances by the government to keep the government from being corrupt
Nice one.

>>80203954
You ever hear of a website called wikileaks?

>>80203976
I read them, none of your points seem to have a relation with one another. Shitposting at its finest.

>>80203976
You're lumping all of the left into a nice single pile, reality is far more complicated, sure there are lefties who behave exactly as you describe, but there are lefties who do not.

This sort of simplification of complex issues is idiotic.

Who gives a shit, Drumpfucks? We WILL beat you. We WILL destroy your nation states. You fascists have already lost.

>>80203784
>CIA reports to the National Security Council,
not everything
> the President's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board
not everything
> the Intelligence Oversight Board
not everything
>House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence
not everything
>Senate Select Committee on Intelligence
not everything

when you come home late at night do you report to your mom that you were out banging six black guys or do you just say you were "out with friends"

some check and balance, mom. now you're son's a raging faggot.

>>80202944
>b-but obama

>>80204044
We will never fail the God Emperor.

>>80204054
>b-but Bush

>>80203954
are you even in this thread right now

we're talking about some literal evidence you know

>The government watches what I do

Good thing I don't do anything illegal. What are you guys worried about? You don't have anything to hide... right?

>>80198539
USA, the land of free.

:^)

>>80204085
Claims are not evidence, kid.

>>80204035
The point is you're a hypocrite. Stupidity at its finest.

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>>80204026
>mfw the government investigates the government and finds the government innocent of all wrong-doing
noice

>>80204133
That always happens

>>80204114
>Claims
So thousands of verified documents are now considered "claims"? Wew lad.

>>80204114
>the cia reports everything they do
>this is called a "check and balance"
that's called a claim too, chaim

you're not CIA, you don't know what the fuck they report of if they even follow protocol

>>80203938
They can also break, bend, or outright ignore those rules because that's what human beings do and have done since the moment rules were conceived.

>>80204026
That's how governments work, nice to see that even the ones on the slow bus have catched up.

The final say, technically, should be with the people, who vote these individuals to power, however, people can be mislead and nonsense things like gerrymandering can be done to twist things around.

>>80204086
>You don't have anything to hide... right?
yes, i do

it's nothing illegal either

i have many rare and hipster musics i don't want the CIA to know about. they can fuck off

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1kpWbYcQIA

>>80204038
You're absolutely right but the problem is the media try to lump all of the right into a nice single pile.

>>80199462
uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

>>80203354
Example:Trump tweets about Woman Days.It work both way /pol/ :-)

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>>80202692
>mfw america does it for free

this website makes complete sense now.

>>80204003
Sure, but i'm not seeing how this has anything to do with anything. For the spying bit, they can simply provide the tech to other alphabet agencies than can act in US and then request them to share data.

>>80204051
My mom is long past caring about what time i arrive at my own home.
Also, i never said the system of CIA checks and balances is not perfect, but it exists, and it's hard for us to know what exactly is and is not reported at the National security council for example, as all the data reported there is simply not declassified.

>>80204202
>That's how governments work
not all governments are corrupt though

ours, unfortunately, is

unless you think it's "not corrupt" to use taxpayer money in building a slushfund to actively campaign against a legitimate presidential candidate (that you don't happen to like) while sitting in office

seems pretty corrupt to me

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>>80202584
Nothing to hide, nothing to hear, goy.

CIA agent here, we spy on you through your computer. We know about all of your pirated kinos and once Trump gives the go ahead, we're gonna lock all of you dirty pirate NEETs up in Guantanamo Bay.

>>80204190
You're right, that's why i mentioned the self-preservation, not many are foolish enough to put their own careers at such jeopardy, also, it is worth remembering that James Comey is a republican who seems to have little love for Trump, but also very little love for the democrats, considering he is the same man who released the report about looking at Hillary's emails again, just a few days prior to the election, despite the fact that nothing of importance was found.

I don't see a man like this wanting to put his career and legacy on the line for Obama.

>>80204283
>it's hard for us to know what exactly is and is not reported at the National security council for example, as all the data reported there is simply not declassified.
that's why you should understand why some people might think this is worrisome instead of implying we're fools for being skeptical about an organization that literally drugged homeless men and prostitutes with LSD in an attempt to make MIND CONTROL SLAVES. Not even a conspiracy any more. It's all out there for everyone to read about and many interviews have been done.

The CIA is fucked up man. I don't trust them worth a shit. They have a rap sheet a mile long.

ALSO
Today, there might be nothing to hide. Tomorrow, there might be a LITERAL hitler in office. Not a meme Hitler. A literal one that wants to exterminate Jews, for example. Suddenly not such a great precedent to establish, is it? Now being Jewish is "something to hide" but whoops to late they can literally listen to everything thing you do and say via every electronic device you own. Whoops.

That's just a hypothetical. But it could be any group. Let me play devil's advocate for a minute and say "what if Trump wanted to use this to find muslims to kill them"? Is it ok then?

NO organization should have all this power. It's too late now, but don't fucking apologize for it, jesus. It's disgusting to read.

>>80204235
media, sadly, is also a business, and the get the most value you have to pander to the lowest common denominator, so if your viewers are mostly lefties, demonize the right, and vice versa.

The best option is paradoxically to read both sides, compare and contrast, then form your own oppinion based on the information provided.

>>80204114
Thank you for correcting the record

>>80204395
You're basically saying no one would ever break the law since they would get in trouble, and yet people continue to break the law every second of every day.

>>80204442
Don't get me wrong, i fully understand why you would be skeptical of the CIA and the intelligence apparatus in general, but skepticism should be founded on evidence, when they make claims we shouldn't accept it blindly, it's our duty as citizens to question.

However, using old CIA fuck-ups to justify intense paranoia today is pretty much a non-sequitur, The CIA is different, the world is different. If we get bogged down at "CIA did this terribly thing in the 50s and 60s so now i don't trust them at all" is pointless, it leaves us completely incapable to accurately judge what they are saying today.

But, I understand the general sentiment that you're saying, i just don't agree with how you let it color everything you see now.

>>80204601
I don't think i said that at all. People do various criminal acts all the time, but this wiretaping would have needed to be a highly organized, planned operation that not only puts the people at risk of massive blowback, but also the institution of presidency and the FBI.

I guess what i'm trying to say is before comitting any highly organized crime, people weigh the pros and cons, and in this case, the cons so highly outweigh the pros.

Furthermore, if the FBI wanted to wiretap Trump, all they would have needed was to dig some probable cause with Trump and the russians (which we see that there has been some contanct, with Flynn, Sessions and Manafort) and take that evidence to a FISA court and get an actual license to do some wiretaping.

So, if they really really wanted to do this, they could have done it completely above board and in accordance to the law.

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>>80203742
> I'm pretty positive that people around Trump were tapped
The NSA has been monitoring phone calls since the technology became available. Hillary as well as Trump, as well as anyone who uses a cell phone. Probably the White House as well. It wasn't ordered by Obama. It's just work creation for fed employees.

Obama gave up when he couldn't even get a Supreme Court nominee. He pretty much golfed the last 6 months of his term.

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>>80204761
The law? I AM THE LAW!

>muh obongo did
/pol/babies are throwing tantrums cause their leader betray the entire us

>>80204909
Stallone go home, your movie was atrocious, and it had fucking rob schneider in it.

>>80204779
>He pretty much golfed the last 6 months of his term.
He pretty much actively campaigned for Hillary the last 6 months of his term. That's what happened here on Earth. Don't know what planet you were on, though.

CHEW SOAP
CHEW SOAP

>>80204918
>muh trump
You CIA shills are throwing tantrums because wikileaks further proved that the CIA is run by corrupt idiots.

>>80204918
I would bet a ton of money that back when Obama was in office whenever someone criticized Obama you responded with "B-BUT BUSH DID!"

>>80205079
>CHEW SOAP
>CHEW SOAP
What?

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>>80205079
I guess you're working with alternative facts.