Name a flaw

It's a little long. Could have done with a cut of around 20-40 minutes.

They didn't show charles killing the xmen

>>80181762
No inbred hillbilly hulk children

>>80181762

Lack of full penetration

>>80181762
More tits, more usage of the word fuck, even more gore, Logan getting drunker, make the movie even more depressing somehow, and more tits.

It's still an amazing movie though.

>>80181762
He's not naked.

>>80181762
>Logan doesn't kill any of the big bads

source material meant for kids geared towards manchildren of reddit. sad!

>every bit of suffering is brought on by imaginary x-men problems rather than real character flaws
>albino is a plot device
>villain takes a break for an entire act while two more less memorable ones takes his place
>spic loli sucks at acting, especially when she talks
>some nurse can edit an oscar worthy documentary on her phone
>overuse of violence makes it's impact inert and meaningless

He doesn't hang dong

>Charles Xavier has no purpose being in the story
>wrapping up two of the franchise's best characters with a tale that has nothing to do with what they did in prior films
>well meaning minorities terrorized by country yokels
>filling your frame with footage from another film
>ending your film with another film's closing dialogue instead of writing your own
>"look, this is totally a western not capeshit TAKE US SERIOUSLY PLS!!!"

>>80182491
>edit an oscar worthy documentary on her phone
Yeah, sitting in the theater this struck me as odd on the spot. Also,
>Charging a phone and it turns on
>Immediately hits play on a video
It's like you're asking for it to die again. Also resuming playback automatically? Maybe in 2030.

For me, it was the fat black kid. The fuck was he doing there.

>>80182904
>minorities
It's the future. They're not minorities anymore.

>>80182904
Xavier was the moral compass

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>movie isn't releasing in japan until fucking JUNE
>only way to watch it is shitty camrip some stupid faggot couldnt even hold still for any amount of time and so bad visual quality and audio quality might as well not even watch it
>if i dont watch this shit quality cam rip im going to have like spoilers you faggots spam every other second ruin the movie for me

>>80181762
I wish Logan and Laura had more bonding time. He really didn't seem to give a shit about her until the last ten minutes of the movie so the impact when she was crying over him felt forced.

>>80183775
i got more of a King Lear vibe from him.

The fans

>>80181762
>Name a flaw

No flashbacks with the other X.men. Even just a couple secs of them being killed at the school would have been a good inclusion.

Logan was directed by the guy who did Knight and Day, the Cameron Diaz and Tom Cruise movie nobody saw except me.
There's a part in Knight and Day where Diaz falls unconscious and wakes up multiple times in a row to get her body from point A to point B.
They did the same thing with Logan from Charles's death to him reaching the kid's camp and I thought that was off-putting.

>>80182386
This, where was the ass?

There isn't one. Actual superhero kino.

They should have used Hurt instead of When The Man Comes Around in the credits.

The girl I went with to watch it thought the movie was terrible and was bored all the way and we didn't hatefuck afterwards

>>80183994
>Hurt instead of When The Man Comes Around

another plebfilter

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>>80181762
Cheap looking CGI

>>80183863
Why do people have this awful opinion?

Not being shown was way better. Charles' emotions were more than enough replacement for a fucking flashback.

Do I need to see all the Wolverine films to understand/enjoy this? The last X Men movie I saw was Last Stand

>>80184131
No. You only need to know Wolverine and Xavier. And maybe a little about x-23.

>>80184131
X2 literally leads right into it.

>>80184041
everything looks cheap in a shitty camrip

Second best super hero movie ever (behind Dark Knight) but it still had some big flaws:

>tone was inconsistent. Right after Charles dies we get a slapstick comedy scene of Logan hitting the truck. Then after Logan dies they play The Man Comes Around which to me, while a song about death, is a pretty lively and not so serious tune. So that took me out
>Not enough focus on Logan and Charles' issues. They mention what happened in Westchester but after the hotel scene that plot point t kind of disappears, there isn't any payoff. Also Logan's inner demons are never really resolved. I guess that's the symbolism of him fighting X-24 but I never really felt that

>>80184161
Thats not a camrip. Thats from the red band trailer

>>80182379
You kid but damn those were disappointing tbqh...I mean I read spoilers and wasn't expecting anything crazy but at least flop those tits around a LITTLE.

>>80184096
>I watch movies to be told about things instead of seeing them

uh, huh

>>80183994
I don't think Cash's Hurt really fights the bill. Honestly Reznor's hurt is probably more apt for the credits

>>80183994
They should have left out the shitty Johnny Cash all together

>>80184041
CGI was fine,I didn't notice it once

>>80184131
you kind of need to see the Wolverine but not really

I really fucking loved Logan. To me it is pretty much perfect.

My only problem is I could have done without all the other kids at the end. Maybe just have 1 or 2 who survived. It was quickly approaching the reason all the other X-Men movies suck, too many characters.

>>80184162
was not slapstick comedy though, it was just our pleb brains that couldn't realize he turned sadness into anger and so we laughed because we didn't know how to process it

>>80182491
Ooh ooh OK I thought of a good one maybe.
>No attempt to explain that the DNA of the dead X-Men was used to create the new mutants, which is why there was a Storm, a Iceman, Magneto etc.

>>80184131
the movie is surprisingly self contained. if you know the general gist of the characters from the comics, you are fine.

>>80184220
That would have defeated a main point of the movie.

Mutants survive, but their life is always suffering.

>>80184205
Man, I did. Just got home from the theater and I noticed it a lot when X-2e was doing flips and stuff and whenever Logan would brain somebody. The cgi was definitely weak, no question about it.

>>80184162
Yeah The Man Comes Around felt like a tonal misfire even if I understand. I think playing Hurt from the trailer would've worked just fine. Though maybe they wanted to play something not so depressing when the movie's already depressing enough.

They had a flashback for Westchester and cut it and I'm happy for it. I think it's a lot better unshown. It doesn't "disappear" as a plot point, it's basically the movies whole reason for being. However some of the details were blink and you miss it and it appears many people missed it so they should've had it more clearly stated.

>>80182456
>thinking that killing the badguy is the point of the movie

>>80184243
They suffer because of dipshits like Magneto with their muh darkness and suffering bullshit.

>>80184220
The movie's already depressing enough with Xavier's and Logan's deaths. I think having a new generation of kids survive - in a world that no longer has a place for mutants - is a good mix of happiness mixed with the inevitable despair you know is in store.

>>80184190
I would have liked to hear "The day the world went away" somewhere in this movie. It kept reminding me of it.
Even if it were just the instrumental version;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_r3ArjXUMrI

>>80184271
No they suffer because they are mutants. The movie did a great job of showing no matter what people would want to either use or kill them. If mutants were real you bet your ass a world government would try to turn them into human weapons and they would never be allowed to live normal lives.

>>80184176
>I'm a fucking child that needs to be wowed by special effects and unnecessary scenes because I can't be assed to infer anything.
Seriously, what would you want from the flashback? Charles having a seizure and no one being there with medicine to stop him? So literally the casino scene all over again with a different ending.

I can't think of a way to present this flashback without being shit.

>>80184190
I feel this opinion, I am really sad for Nine Inch Nails. Almost wish the remake never happened but not really. Just damn tired of this pleb Redditcore opinion that we should all forget the original version forever and ever because it isn't fit to even suck the new versions dick.

There is still a place for the more industrial and grimdark middle aged addict version and the heartspilling country old man version.

>too disconnected from the X-Men universe. Would have been cool to see some old defeated Sentinal wreckage, or maybe Xavier talking about his time with Eric, or Logan mentioning Jean, etc. It's like they took 3 mutants and moved them to a world where mutants never existed.
>No explanation as to how all the mutants died (the food shit would have prevented mutants from being born, but it couldn't have removed the powers of every mutant)
>going to the black farm family was nuts. Logan pretty much gave them a death sentence, and the black guy from ER knew it when he tried to shoot him

>>80181762
more garbage capeshit that you think is a 10/10 because you only watch other capeshit and garbage flicks

last third of it was fucking terrible

>>80184387
They said they had Caliban round them up and they executed them.

>>80184312
They lived normal lives in the original X-Men trilogy, it wasn't until Magneto channeled his jewish butthurt and attacked the non-mutants and made people concerned. That CIA slut also awakened Apocalypse too.

>>80184395
Logan is different tho. its actually a good capekino movie, most capeshit is garbage but. there is something about Logan which makes it an amazing film.

>>80184387
>too disconnected from the X-Men universe. Would have been cool to see some old defeated Sentinal wreckage, or maybe Xavier talking about his time with Eric, or Logan mentioning Jean, etc. It's like they took 3 mutants and moved them to a world where mutants never existed
This has been brought up to the director but he said he wanted to this movie to be about these 3 characters and not what happens to X character.

We've had like 4 alternate Wolverines in previous movies, and we already have an alternate Wolverine with Laura. X-24 was too much. He should have been an interesting new mutant that is uniquely useful against Logan, or just make the metal hand guy more competent and cut X-24.

As far as editing, I would have liked a little less action scenes and a little more exposition. I love how vague everything was, but I would have liked a little more exposition, just a little, toward the end of the movie. There was so much of Logan brutally shredding people that it lost its impact. The opening scene with the mexicans should have been cut and the scene with X-24 killing the rednecks should have been cut too.

Caliban was great but his death wasn't really satisfying. Logan and Xavier's deaths were very good, but Caliban just dropped a grenade to kill himself and like 1-2 henchmen. I'm on board with the suicide, given him being tortured into tracking people he cares about to be killed, but the method of suicide didn't satisfy me.

Overall it was a 9/10. Best capeshit movie, tied with Days of Future Past. I don't know which is better because they are both so different but great. DoFP would be a 10/10 if it wasn't for JLaw.

>>80184412
>They said they had Caliban round them up and they executed them.

There's no way Caliban could round up millions of mutants around the world. And I don't get why Logan gave Caliban a pass for this.

>>80184387
Fuck me, do you have some kind of disability that prevents you from paying attention to a 2 hour+ movie?

>>80184254
dude, how can you blink and you miss it when CHarles had that dialogue in his bed

>>80181762

>Nurse pays "Logan" 20,000 dollars to transport X-23 to North Dakota, saying that he'll get the remaining $30,000 when he gets there.

>She later confesses [on the video] that the remaining money doesn't exist.

>Later in the movie, it turns out that the extra $30,000 does exist, just so that "Logan" can turn it down to prove he's a great guy

Why would she lie about the money?

>>80184387
You are right about this, first it would have been interesting if there was at least a mutant graveyard somewhere in the story or more of a Jedi feeling to the mutants. Sometimes I also felt like the guys sent to capture them were too careless and should have had nets and other long range non lethal weapons so they couldn't just get blasted into bits by the kids.

>>80184478
no thats the 10k he had left I think? maybe it's a plot hole I will have to see it again

>>80184478
That second wad of cash you're talking about was the first wad of cash. You're just dumb.

>>80181762
It was a rated R children's movie and devoid of any meaning except the most basic of symbolism. Which I guess is only a flaw if you believe it was supposed to be the masterpiece the faggots on this board purport it to be.

>>80184437
>This has been brought up to the director but he said he wanted to this movie to be about these 3 characters and not what happens to X character.

I get that, but after 16 years of movies it just looks like they're avoiding the elephants in the room. It just seemed odd. I watched 2 grandparents die. At the end they talked about the past constantly. Friends, loves, each other, etc. Xavier not mentioning Eric, Mystique, etc,etc (but talking about watching Shane as a kid) was just weird.

>>80184447
You dont think the world governments could execute millions of people if they wanted to?

>>80184443
>DoFP would be a 10/10 if it wasn't for JLaw.
damn it, yes

>>80184459
>Fuck me, do you have some kind of disability that prevents you from paying attention to a 2 hour+ movie?

Be more specific with your argument. Explain what I don't understand.

>>80184443
I almost felt bad for the rednecks, that got a little into white genocide for me. I am not serious so don't get pissed but still, I mean it was gratuitous how much white people died for sure.

>>80184429
You and I have a very different definition of normal. I wouldn't call living in constant fear and the government first trying to round you up and then "cure" you normal.

>>80182251
Unnecessary.

>>80184463
you mean the mumbling that even in theater was difficult to parse out? Sound mixing sucks these days. I understood the point though but I read a lot of people who didn't understand what had happened.

>>80184558
Watch the movie again, and this time don't suck so much dick.

>>80182483
Don't you have presidential things to do?

>>80184582
third world anon here that watched it with subtitles, so that wasn't a problem for me

watched the cam version. Was the nudity cut out of it? I didnt see any. What part is it at? It also unfortunately cut out the entire scene after logan injects himself and then goes beast mode on everyone at the end

>>80184542
>You dont think the world governments could execute millions of people if they wanted to?

Governments, sure. But Caliban couldn't have made that much of a dent. And wouldn't this hunt-down have led to a massive mutant/human civil war? And how did the humans win? A team of elite transigen troops couldn't even take out a couple of kids.

>>80184535
>but after 16 years of movies it just looks like they're avoiding the elephants in the room
Fox executives are fucking morons. Ryan Reynold had to practically beg to get his money maker movie made. Wolverine took a 50% pay cut to get this movie made despite us knowing it would be a success prior. They probably didn't want to let this movie reference past events in case Fox wants to make more shitty nu-X men movies and it just aligned with Manigold vision of focusing on the characters so the old x-men were never mentioned.

>>80182251
What a horrible opinion. I kept dreading a scene where they would over explain everything but I was really surprised , pleasantly so

>190 years old
>been in every major war since WWI
>saw his lover die twice, killed her once
>saw all his friends die to sentinels
>go back in time to stop it
>live another 60 years
>all your friends are killed anyway, again
>get adamantium poisoning

Jesus, Logan had a hard life. No wonder he couldn't wait to die.

>>80184534
This: I mean BvS was far more deep than Logan for example and its in the same genre. However, I felt a lot more feelings watching Logan than any DC movie.

My dad said that he didn't cry for Logan because he said he wanted to die and so it didn't effect my dad at all which was a interesting take on it.

Logan was perhaps way too fatalistic and didn't care about living, he could have showed more love to X-23 and could have had a little word of wisdom to her before dying.

>>80184583
>Watch the movie again, and this time don't suck so much dick.

Again, you're just being a vague shitposter. I gave my arguments, and yours is "herr derr watch it again, you don't get it". I'm not going to watch it again. Explain to me what I don't get.

>>80184617
Only nudity is a girl flashes him in his car while he's working, it's brief

>>80184233
It was heavily implied considering X-23 is Wolverine's daughter. Does everything need to be spelled out for you?

>>80184542
That's what surveillance is for.

>>80184648
>I mean BvS was far more deep than Logan for example
You are joking right? Logan touched on real themes like family and emotional support. What the fuck made BvS deep?

>>80184659
It's all literally explained in the movie, and others in this thread have pointed it out to you already.

>>80184630
It showed the shit they were putting in the food/water etc completely neutralized the mutant's powers. From there itd be as simple as rounding them up and executing them, which it seems did occur. I imagine the vast majority of them at this point were at Xavier's school or with Magneto.

>>80184647
Although mutantkind has ended, it's still infinitely better than the Sentinel apocalypse. And let's face it, the movie also demonstrates why (some) mutants are an existential threat to mankind. Though with the scientific research mankind is probably still doomed anyways if we weaponize mutants.

>>80184617
Its super weak man. In the Limo scene with the wedding party, she said "check out these tits driver!" and pulls her dress down but the boobs are either really small or barely pulled down at all.

Damn someone already answered you but I am still posting this lol

>>80184666

at the very beginning? I think its cut out of the cam version. Theres a part where hes driving around some guy in a cowboy hat, then a bunch of guys partying and shouting USA. Then a part little later with a bunch of girls partying, but they just get out of the car and leave

>>80184233
Are you kidding? That was pretty explicit. Even at the end he's like "lol take a sample of Caliban, good tracker high IQ"

>>80184699
>It's all literally explained in the movie, and others in this thread have pointed it out to you already.

You're failing really hard it. I'm too dumb to get it. Please explain it to me. If you can't, go away.

>>80184688
Bvs tried to be deep
fucking hack snyder doesn't know how to make a movie >>80184648
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALHJI0Zqweo&ab_channel=RantandBollox

>>80184730
It's the girls partying

>>80184738
Autism Awareness month is NEXT month.

>>80184700
>It showed the shit they were putting in the food/water etc completely neutralized the mutant's powers

I mentioned that. There's no way every mutant in the world is eating/drinking enough processed garbage to be affected by this. Someone would have found out about this.

>>80184744
BvS tries to be deep but isn't cause the hack Snyder thinks symbolism = depth. Grounding a movie in real world themes is what makes depth, despite having 2 mutants that heal with metal claws and the world most powerful physic as their main cast, Logan was still extremely grounded when it came to theme and stakes.

>>80184758
>Autism Awareness month is NEXT month.

Says the guys who can't explain his theory on a capeshit film (I already gave mine).

>>80184761
And I'm sure there are mutants hiding out in the world still. And Caliban helped the government take some out too.

>>80184761
Mate if Caliban, Logan and Xavier showed anything it's that all the mutants weren't dead, just the majority. It's not like a fucking mutant war signal was sent out calling them all to arms.

>Be me
>Mutant in Africa
>Live my life and die
>???

They wouldn't know if they were in some 3rd world shit hole and probably wouldn't care.

How many black farming families do you really think they are? And of course the people trying to steal their land are rednecks. Damn Jews.

My biggest problem with the film was Evil Wolverine though, I hate movies where the main villain is just an evil reflection of the protagonist like Spider-Man 3 and The Incredible Hulk

>>80184815
I think having a young logan was great because it showed just how over the hill current logan is.

>>80184761
There's estrogen in the rain because of women peeing out birth control in real life. I'd imagine the stuff Richard E. Grant was using to remove mutations spread the same way. Once it gets out there it gets everywhere.

>>80184783
>Grounding a movie in real world themes is what makes depth

No. That's literally not what constitutes depth. That's some arbitrary shit that suits your tastes.

>>80184793

It's all nonsense. Throughout the X-Men films humanity was shown to be at an extreme disadvantage. Humans + X-Men had trouble taking out Magneto's brotherhood. How much of a chance would they have against X-Men+Brotherhood+other mutants. And no, poisoning Cap'n Crunch cereal and Mr. Pibb isn't the fucking answer. The Sentinel story made much more sense. (the food storyline makes sense for PREVENTING new mutants from being born).

>>80184814
>Africa in capeshit
>3rd world

Funny you mention Africa since in Maverl's Africa is the richest and powerful continent since Adamatinium is mass produced there.

>>80184647
>Live another 60 years
Why do people keep saying this about DoFP. There was a big website that posted a video and made that same claim.
Logan was sent back in time and his mind returned immediately to the new future when the mission was over

>>80184865
That's Disney MCU. Not Foxverse.

Please tell me you know they aren't the same universe.

Also the point stands.

>>80184860
You are honestly telling me Space Jesus has more depth than Logan? Are you fucking kidding me?

>>80184814
>Mate if Caliban, Logan and Xavier showed anything it's that all the mutants weren't dead, just the majority.

I get that. But in the previous films they established that the mutants were always going to the Brotherhood when human pressure got higher and higher.

>>80184902
Some of them like I said probably just didn't give a shit or even know what they were.

>>80184881
I was just trying to chime in.

>>80181762
the meme is "find a flaw" you fucking reddit bitch

>>80184233
I didn't catch that, holy fuck that's actually a really good touch.

>>80184924

Fair enough, but if shit really hit the fan with humans hunting/poisoning mutants, X-Men and Brotherhood would have teamed up and went on a big recruiting drive. The war would have lasted for decades and you would still be feeling the effects in the current day of "Logan".

The guy on the radio said "it's 2029, why are we still talking about mutants?" Yea fucking right.

>>80184955
Realized just after I posted
I AM SORRY

>>80184991
I think it was more like the mutants didn't even realize what was happening before it was too late.

>>80184955
He told you to name a flaw ;)

>>80184887
I'm not the guy who said that. From a technical film making POV BVS had much more going on thematically, doesn't mean it was done well though. I would say Logan seemed to touch on subjects that appear to resonate with people more or as you or whoever the previous poster was said, "real world themes." But in terms of technicality, no it did not have more depth than BvS. Again, thats not saying anything about the quality of either film.

I do find it infuriating though that the movie is essentially only slightly better in terms of storytelling than the more recent X-men movies but has added gore, mild nudity, and swearing and somehow it's a masterpiece to people.

>>80185025

How is such a thing possible? Are you saying that the poison Cheetos and Mountain Dew worked so well that Cyclops, Storm, etc, didn't realize their powers were weakening? Wouldn't the X-Men have launched a full investigation and found out their their genes were being manipulated by something?

It's just such a shitty plot device. Sentinels made sense. They were robots designed to hunt mutants. With this new storyline were assuming that most mutants gorge themselves with Twinkies and Sprite all day.

>>80184565
X-24 literally kills a black family minutes away from that

>>80184233
You could see the name of some of the Xmen they used while Logan went through the files.
Also, who else would ice powers be from?

Do you seriously need exposition for everything?

>>80184991
I think for the number of mutants, the even smaller number who are willing to join up with terrorists, and the even smaller number who have useful powers, it'd be easy for the American government, the world's most powerful military with ample experience fighting terrorism on the world's biggest logistical train, to take out all the mutants.

The FBI would have member lists, there'd be covert assassinations and poisonings, arrests, disruptions of finances, etc. Magneto is extremely powerful but what are his tax policies? How does he feed his mutants? How does he handle recruiting, and filtering out double agents? How does he decide where to base cells? Communicate covertly?

>>80185097
Xavier killed them

>>80185097
This is literally happening right now in the comics with the Terrigan Mists. The mutants aren't all knowing beings and without their powers figuring out exactly what was going on would have been a lot more difficult.

Noticing something is happening and being able to stop it are two totally different things.

>>80184815
The main villain wasn't the 2 Million Dollar Tex-Mex man, or the obligatory evil scientist.

It was Wolverine's past, just like it always is, that was the antagonist. Quite literally it was a full-circle way to end the character by having him face the literal and figurative evil of himself.

His past was nothing but pain. Almost 2 CENTURIES of grief and pain, all because he was "gifted" with the ability to heal from almost any wound. He had two centuries to watch all his loved ones die, and when it was finally his turn, the look of relief on his dying, tired face was completely genuine.

Based Huge Jacked Man

>>80185097
The food didnt remove powers, it prevented mutations from occurring in new children

>>80185123
>it'd be easy for the American government, the world's most powerful military with ample experience fighting terrorism on the world's biggest logistical train, to take out all the mutants.

Dude, elite Transigen soldiers with robotic arms had trouble taking out a bunch of kid mutants.

> Magneto is extremely powerful but what are his tax policies?
Magneto doesn't pay taxes. He's a fucking supervillain.

>>80184869
So he popped into the new future where New York never happened? But they mention New York in the movie.

>>80185164
It did stop their powers. The green stuff at the end was what was in the food and Logan said itll poison you and at the end they told Logan he was gonna have a hard time keeping his claws out soon.

>>80185138
>Xavier killed them

He killed 7. The radio said that in the movie.

X-24. It was almost embarrassing to watch.
>"guis we want gritty realistic story"
>main threat to mc is his ebil clone
Let that sink in.

>>80185220
X24 really is a pleb filter.

>>80185147

Dude, the X-Men labs had insane tech in 2000 when they were analyzing Wolverine. Who knows they had in the 2020's. They would have taken a mutant, put them into a control room, and monitored everything (food consumption, breathing, radio waves to his brain, etc, etc) until they found the cause.

>>80184863
You know the Logan timeline takes place after the Sentinal future? I'm sure they have weapons that can take out mutants now.

>>80185252
They clearly didn't find it in time.

>>80185277
>They clearly didn't find it in time.

They would have. The storyline in this film is just poorly thought out. If they had said "Sentinals killed all the mutants", that would be great. Instead we get this inane plot point about Hot Pockets and Red Bull taking away mutants powers. Fucking stupid.

>>80185258
>I'm sure they have weapons that can take out mutants now.

Then why did they have so much trouble with 7 kids and a broken Logan?

>>80185333
they were private security guards who are so inept that most of them have lost limbs that have had to be replaced

>>80185304
It's really not that dumb. The X-men were probably just a shade of their former selves with Xavier deteriorating and no new mutants appearing. Then Xavier had a seizure and killed all the mutants in the mansion, including all the high-level X-men except Logan.

The remaining mutants weren't organized, it's not like they are all trained fighters. It makes perfect sense.

MAJOR FLAW:

Boyd Holbrook was a great villain. Charismatic and kind of a badass, but without powers he was in over his head.

Then he disappears for 40 minutes and we get boring science guy who wears his lab coat outside the lab to remind everyone that he's a scientist.

What the fuck were they thinking? That would be like dropping the T-1000 halfway through Terminator 2.

>>80185304
Kek your argument that "THEY SHOULD HAVE FOUND IT" has no basis other than you believing that they should have found it. The plot clearly shows they didn't find it in time. They are people with powers not all knowing omnipotent beings.

You sound like a child. You want it to be one way, but it's the other.

>>80185359
>they were private security guards who are so inept that most of them have lost limbs that have had to be replaced

Uh, you do realize that private security armies are mostly elite ex-military guys who want more money (without the regulations of army life).

>>80185406
>private security armies are mostly elite ex-military guys who want more money (without the regulations of army life).

Source?

>>80185406
>elite
>get BTFO by children and old men
Must be American mercenaries eh.

>>80185371
>The X-men were probably just a shade of their former selves with Xavier deteriorating and no new mutants appearing.

Why were they a shade of their former selves? Because of Diet Coke and Pringles? Get the fuck out. They would have cracked that shit in 2 days.

>Then Xavier had a seizure and killed all the mutants in the mansion,
The radio said only 7 mutants died at the mansion.

>The remaining mutants weren't organized, it's not like they are all trained fighters. It makes perfect sense.
So the Brotherhood wasn't organized? And in the X-Men world only the X-Men and Brotherhood are organized?

You're really bending over to accept this nonsense.

>>80182251

Yes, what this movie needed was an out of place flashback of the X-Men in their spandex outfits and stupid costumes.

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Literally waiting for his cameo.

>>80185244
Are you seriously defending a evil clone? Be honest to me, what was your first thought when you saw him? Had you been thinking what a great idea it was? I doubt it.

>>80185429
real life? do you think a PMC is just gonna hire joe nobody?

>>80184887

I´m not him, but both movies carry deep thesis. One of them is introspective and the other one tries to put humanity as a concept in the debate table.

>>80185450
>Because of Diet Coke and Pringles
no, that had no effect on the X-men. I feel like we are just repeating ourselves.

>>80185474
I thought it was a great physical representation of exactly what Logan used to be, a living weapon, and the Weapon X program, something he never completely dismantled, coming back to haunt him.

>>80185483
If they die all the time and regularly lose arms, then yeah, real military men are probably going to skip out. Most of them prefer babysitting jobs for rich guys who just want a qualified guard. They don't want a job that regularly has them on dangerous missions.

>>80185082
>the movie is essentially only slightly better in terms of storytelling than the more recent X-men movies
What? For one this movie has low stakes compared to the high stakes of the recent X-men movies.

>>80185386

My argument is "they WOULD have found it". The X-Men lab was state of the art shit and they were always wary of what governments/the Brotherhood were doing. There's NO WAY they wouldn't have solved this. After a few days of weakening powers being reported world wide, they would have gotten on this. If you want to believe that the X-Men were taken out after drinking a few cans of Dr. Pepper, you're a fucking retard.

It also makes the previous X-Men movies look stupid because all the insane governments needed to win the war was to spike the Snickers bars.

Do you all really think the US military couldn't kill 80-90% of mutants on the planet in under a decade (forcing the survivors to go underground)?

How many mutants can survive 3 rounds center mass? Do you think the monsters like Beast could hide at all? Do you think Cyclops couldn't get wasted from 1000 yards away by a sniper while he's pumping gas some day?

>>80185474
not the same guy, but honestly I felt really threatened by him. It was like the T-1000 vs the T-800. And it makes sense given the Weapon X program, with the history of Wolverine and weapon X being what it is, the fact that he had a "superior" clone didn't surprise me at all, but it didn't strike me as a bad fit.

>>80185504
>no, that had no effect on the X-men.

What? Then what did effect the X-Men? Xavier killed 7, but there's a lot more than 7.

>>80185474
>Muh Evil clone
Young logan was a reflection of Logan past. The show literally slaps you on the face that Logan can't get over his past. Now they figuratively give you a physical representation of his past, shows you that Logan alone can't beat him and needs his daughter to literally and figuratively overcome his past for him and all you can think of is evil clone. Holy shit are you a pleb.

>>80185542
Again your only evidence for why this is dumb is you think they should have found out soon enough. They clearly didn't. That's how it went down. They were poisoned and executed and did not notice until it was too late. Also this "amazing technology" you keep talking about was literally an xray machine and a cell phone.

>>80185542
And even if the X-Men teamed up with the brotherhood and formed some kind of mutant army, what then?

Endless waves of drones from every nation on Earth. Suicide bombers going into camp. Tomahawk missiles. Nukes.

Mutants, even together, could not stand up to the US+NATO+Russian+Chinese military

>>80185574
I missed that 7 number in the movie, so I assumed he killed a lot more. I guess since you can't provide a source we'll have to wait for the blu ray.

>>80185555
>Do you all really think the US military couldn't kill 80-90% of mutants on the planet in under a decade

Elite soldiers had trouble killing a bunch of kids in "Logan". The war of human vs mutants would go on for decades (with the humans probably losing if not for Sentinal).

>>80185565
His clone wasn't actually superior though. He had all night to heal at the farm and needed the dose to come back to form. If anything he was probably weaker than Logan, even putting aside the fact he's by far mentally inferior in terms of intellect, experience etc

>>80185641
Not him but it was on the radio briefly saying 7 died at the Westchester incident as they drove along

>>80185641
>I guess since you can't provide a source we'll have to wait for the blu ray.

Uh, no. Google it. The radio said "The casino incident is very similar to what happened in Westchester, New York that left 7 mutants dead".

>>80185587
This.

X-24 continues to be the ultimate pleb filter for whether or not someone liked the film.

>>80185658
He is weaker than prime Logan but he is still head over heels better than current Logan.

>>80185618
well, just to play devil's advocate, there are mutants who can freely shape reality so I think it's safe to say that if someone like that wanted to they could just have reversed the poison's effects and just willed the research out of existence and made all humans forget mutants existed. Humans, apparently, got the drop.

>mexican nurse edits a documentary together from multiple different camera angles to disguise an exposition dump as a reasonable form of storytelling.

>>80185648
40-50 PMCs with no air support and no armor support easily caught the dozen kids who had trained their entire lives for combat.

One guy got his arm frozen by Kid-Iceman, who was then just tackled and neutralized by another PMC dude.

The only reason they got out was because of Wolverine and Laura. And they do a pretty good job of illustrating that Wolverine (and therefore his dna-infused kid) is a killing machine on a whole level separate from other mutants.

>>80183802
This is my only flaw. They could have cut out some of the farmer scenes and had more daddy / daughter bonding time... a little more insight into what Logan thinks and feels being reluctantly forced into fatherhood and then finally accepting it as a good thing.

Other than that, movie was fantastic in ever respect. Maybe the only other gripe is knowing that at least 6-7 of the other X-men movies had potential to be as good as this but ended up being complete shite.

>>80185618
>And even if the X-Men teamed up with the brotherhood and formed some kind of mutant army, what then?

Uh, in EVERY X-Men movie the bad humans view mutants as the biggest threat. That's why they were always scheming and creating new weapons to stop them.

If all it took were nukes and tomahawk missiles to get rid of them, what was the point of the first 3 movies?

You're really missing the point of these movies. The powers of mutants allow people like Magneto to redirect missiles. People like Toad to infiltrate and learn plans, etc, etc. THAT'S why mutants are so scary to humans. If they could be defeated with a a few missiles from a Navy cruiser they would be boring.

>>80185713
It was clear the mexican nurse wasn't working alone and that was the combined footage of all the staff at the compound.

>>80181762
Xavier's death I felt the execution was really sloppy. I thought he deserved better.

>>80182251
They didn't show (Old Man Logan comic spoilers) Logan killing the X-Men. Seriously why the fuck did they change it to Charles in this movie??

>>80185708
I took the food poison as to mean they just sterilized the mutant gene, not that it actually deactivated current powers.

But yeah, it's comic shit so there's always going to be characters that are on world bending power levels.

I'm mostly talking about the realm of X1-X3 and the prequels with McAvoy, which is the universe Logan takes place in (not the comic universe).

>>80185618
You seriously need to brush up on your comic book knowledge. There are multiple mutants that could single-handedly take on the armies of every nation on earth. There are INSANELY powerful mutants.

>>80183802
It was clear that Logan cared for her by midway of the movie. Which was why Charles told Logan about the love of a family before he departs to fix the water. Charles the greatest physic in the world already knew what Logan refuses to admit till right at the end.

>>80183796
>he lives in japan

>>80185819
>I took the food poison as to mean they just sterilized the mutant gene, not that it actually deactivated current powers.

I think that too, but everyone is telling me that Cyclops and Quicksilver drank a few cans of Red Bull and there powers were gone a few days later.

>>80185770
I agree, it was too unexpected and I didn't even think it was really happening for a couple seconds because it also introduced X-24. It was just confusing and too fast, it just kinda glazes over it.

>>80185815
because wolverine wouldnt be able to kill some of those xmen with more power than him. Charles can literally kill people by thinking about it. its easier and is better for both their characters for this movie.

>>80185819
That's true. I'm trying to think of the strongest mutant in the movies. Stryker's son? Storm? Juggernaut? The kid from X3?

>>80185759
They don't need tomahawks and nukes UNLESS the mutants all band together into some kind of army.

If they split into terrorist cell type shit, there are not going to be enough Magnetos to stop a missile at every cell hideout.

People underestimate the amount of resources that would be leveraged at these mutants if the entire world banded together against them, which it's safe to say happened.

>>80185736
>40-50 PMCs with no air support and no armor support easily caught the dozen kids who had trained their entire lives for combat.

I agree, but it really didn't make any sense. For some reason the kids were running away and it wasn't until AFTER they got caught that they started using their powers and wrecked the Transigen troops.

>>80185815
Because that's what comic readers expected, so it was a nice subversion. It's also easier to believe that a super psychic could more easily just hemorrhage a bunch of mutants brains instantly than that Logan could kill cyclops, jean grey, storm and whoever else.

The third act besides when Logan dies was a bit underwhelming compared to the rest of the movie, but it was still great.

imo it's the best capeshit movie made so far
Logan > The Dark Knight > X-Men: Days of Future Past > The Dark Knight Rises > X-Men: First Class > everything else

r8 my subjective (objective) list

>>80185917

Dude, you're living in a fantasy world where Tomahawk missiles can kill MILLIONS of mutants. Did you watch the previous movies? Humanity is scared shitless of mutants. But if all they had to say was "don't worry, we gotz missiles and M-4's and Abrams tanks, so we got this", the movies would have been shit.

>>80185815
>>80185875
>>80185956
It was a long time ago that I read it but I swear I have no recollection of Old Man Logan killing off the X-men. God Damn.

>>80185683
You do realize it is possible to criticize the implementation of X-24 and not be a pleb right? Like for example, if someone suggests a better way to address the same situation without the usage of X-24, it doesn't mean they are a pleb. The movie is literally a pleb movie anyways so I don't know how it could have a pleb filter. I enjoyed it but it's not any great example of artistry.

>>80185971
How is DoFP so high up?
What the fuck?

>The entire final act
>Donald Pierce's death
>Generic science man antagonist
>Caliban's quip

It was still a great movie with some fantastic performances, but as a whole I don't think it worked as well as it could have.

>>80185971
Dark Knight > Logan > X-2 > Spider-Man 2 > First Class


>>>everything else

>>80185915
You really have to ask yourself, "which of these characters could take a .50 cal round to the midsection, followed by 3 tomahawks impacting within 150 yards"

Unless they have some kind of future sight or faster than a bullet reactions like Quicksilver, they'd be fucked.

>>80185187
It's unclear where Logan exactly takes place.

But yes, thats absolutely what happens in DoFP. Why would Logan be shocked to see Jean and Scott if he lived all the way until that point?

The implication in DoFP was that time rippled rather than changed meaning a lot of those events still happened but with different outcomes.
For Logan it was clear their head canon was X1-X2-The Wolverine- DoFP Good End- Logan.

>>80186021
Oh and the video and Gabriella's character were horrible.

>>80186021
Science man was worth it for Logan killing him with a gun, that was hilarious. Everyone couldn't conceive of a scenario where Logan wouldn't use his claws and thought having guns trained on him would keep them safe.

>>80185982
I haven't seen X1-X3 in a while but since when are there millions of mutants?

How many of them have combat powers? Because X3 I remember had about 75% of the no name mutants only able to super jump and then get wiped out.

>>80186018
I did say it was my subjective taste, I really liked DoFP even though a lot of people don't like it as much. If I have to be completely unbiased I'd change my list to Logan > Dark Knight > Dark Knight Rises > First Class > DoFP > everything else

>>80186007
Except people who criticize X-24 do it for all the wrong reasons. They think it is another case of evil clone when it is supposed to be the physical manifestation of Logan's past.

>>80185993
Mysterio (I think) uses his SPOOKY ILLUSIONS to make him kill most or all of the X-Men

>>80186058
>But yes, thats absolutely what happens in DoFP. Why would Logan be shocked to see Jean and Scott if he lived all the way until that point?

He didn't live all the way until that point. He "woke up" in the new future. He essentially "replaced" the Logan that was living that life. That's why the last thing he remembers was the 1970's.

Unless I missed it, Logan needed a nice scene of his adamantium skeleton exposed after losing some chunks of flesh.

>>80186086
>DKR
>DOFP

Subjective, I guess, but those movies do not belong with the others.

>>80186067
Careful. This was addressed thoroughly in another Logan thread and the autists went berserk.

>>80186123
you see X-24's metal skull when his face gets blown off.

>>80185187
DoFP creates a new timeline after the events of the original trilogy happened (X1-X3). Magneto slowly regains his powers and Xavier transferred his conscious to another person.

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>People thinking this is a Best Picture nominee even though the film would be worthless without 17 prior years of mediocre films and nostalgiabait characters

It was an alright movie that does not work as a standalone feature.

>>80186103
Which is a massive cliche but for some reason in this case it's deep and if you don't like it it's pleb filter.

>>80186157
Wait, X3 can't have happened exactly as it did. Xavier's body was destroyed. How can he have gotten his body back?

>>80184041
LOOK AT THE TOP OF HIS HEAD

>>80186113
That's what I'm saying. What I take issue with is the idea that Logan lives "another 60 years" because it happens instantaneously from his perspective when he erases that new universe's Logan

Can we as fans collectively agree to disregard any attempt at continuity in the X timeline?

After Origins (which has been officially scrubbed from the canon, I believe), it all gets fucked. Even First Class botches things right up with characters' ages (for one example, Alex with relation to Scott; another, Mystique being as old as Charles).

Once you throw DoFP and Apocalypse into the mix, then things get really fucked. Charles, Erik, Hank and Raven are 20 years older in Apocalypse than they were in First Class? Okay.

In short, I'm just gonna ignore them, assume that Logan is the only movie in the canon and that all the others are fictionalizations of actual events in the Loganverse, adapted from the comic books we saw in Logan. It's more fun for me this way.

>>80186199
Identical twins

>>80186171
I honestly can't tell if the overhyping of this movie was due to bandwagon effect from the reviews, company wars, shills, or if people are honestly that easily fooled by gratuity. I'm starting to think it's shills though because anytime someone has a legitimate complaint about the movie everyone ignores the post.

>>80186177
>It is a cliche that is why it is bad
The entire premise is cliched you moron.
>Man haunted by his past and refuses to forgive himself gets a chance at redemption when someone young/women/innocent enters his life

I could literally be talking about 10 different movies here. It is the execution and the way the characters were played out that gave it depth.

Autistic screeching The Movie

>>80186241
I unironically enjoyed this movie more than I did watching La La Land and Moonlight.

>>80186241
Is it overhyped? Probably a little bit due mostly to the fact that not many superhero movies come out that are of this quality. While overhyped, it is a very decent movie. Probably the second best superhero movie yet.

>>80186245
This. It's a western, through and through.
Just because it's a formula doesn't mean it's bad. It's the best version of this story I've seen, imo.

The previous champ for me was The Last of Us. And I got major TLoU vibes during Logan.

>>80186219
I felt the same way about First Class, especially with Cerebro. There was also the helmet, which was new in X1 yet existed in thE 1960s suddenly.

Your headcanon isn't a bad idea, I wondered if Mangold was using those as a revisionist history like the dime novels in Unforgiven

>>80186219
>In short, I'm just gonna ignore them, assume that Logan is the only movie in the canon and that all the others are fictionalizations of actual events in the Loganverse, adapted from the comic books we saw in Logan. It's more fun for me this way.

Thats honestly the problem in discussing this movie. People that are rabidly supporting it are RPing. Then people who want to have a serious discussion are "contrarian" or "dense" for perfectly natural grievances.

>>80186199
He transferred his consciousness.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSkn3KYwmtc

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I'm adding this to my cart right now. This is just the modern western.

No connection to the greater overall cinematic universe. Fuck mutant-only wordlines.

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>>80181762
>Villains are phoned in
>The nurse had time to edit the video on her phone with voice over, never published to youtube
>Logan knows what Prof x said to his clone, about it not being too late for him and the importance of family, while dying he says you were right

i just saw it and loved it but that was just on my first viewing i am sure there are more.

>>80186291
Ah yes, I forgot about Cerebro and the SR-71. Add those to the list of glaring inconsistencies.

The movieverse within the movie has the added bonus of being the low-stakes, babytime stuff that Logan himself throws shade at in the movie ("in the real world, people die" etc.). And I know Mangold has a real disdain for capeshit without stakes (he has a lot to say about the MCU without mentioning it by name in interviews).

>>80186266
Don't get me wrong. I enjoyed this movie a lot too. Sometimes for bad reasons and sometimes for good ones. But it wasn't nearly as tightly scripted as La La Land or Moonlight. Don't delude yourself.

>>80184041

>cheap looking cgi

You know nothing

http://on.io9.com/pbRJvee

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>>80182456
He shoots the evil science dude in the face.

>>80186353
At first, I agreed with your third point re the conversation with X-24. But then I remembered that earlier that night Charles told Logan to look around, feel what it was like to have a home/family.

>>80183863
kill yourself

>>80184312
>If mutants were real you bet your ass a world government would try to turn them into human weapons and they would never be allowed to live normal lives.

Sure, but it would probably be done via propaganda, nationalism, patriotism, etc.
There would be plenty of mutants who voluntarily join the armed forces, or become mercenaries, or use their powers to be firefighters, doctors, superheroes, etc.

The public would probably celebrate the helpful mutants, and fear the mutants who use their powers for crime and immoral purposes

>>80184220
also who fucking got all those kids there? they didn't have armies of men after them? why didn't they need wolverine escorting them?

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>>80184041
It's obvious that you haven't seen the movie to know why this still image doesn't matter.

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>>80181762
They made a movie about the beer commercial guy?

>>80186410
Dude there are many many spots where I could clearly fucking tell they were using the cgi laura double, or at least putting cgi over her. It really wasn't that good. It was pretty noticeable.

>>80186329
Where can you buy this? I can't find it anywhere.

>>80181762
Garbage in every way 1 or 2/10 at best.

>>80185765

I thought of that as well, but it still doesn't make it any less of a boring exposition dump.

>>80186408
Never said it was. It was just more enjoyable and relateable compared to a movie about giving hollywood handjobs and another about all the oscar bait themes.

>>80184647
is adamantium poisoning what killed him? i was very confused by this i thought wolverine was essentially immortal? serious questions here forgive me if i'm retarded

>>80182491

you would be surprised at what kids can do on these phones nowadays let alone what people will be able to do on them in a comic book future

it really isnt hard to splice together footage on a phone

>>80186584
The movie was already long enough. The focus of the movie was supposed to be charles, X-23 and Logan. I am not sure why people want more time to be spent on fucking exposition. Must be the same people who wanted to know what happens to the X-men and what they are doing now missing the entire point of this movie.

>>80184647
He fought in the Revolutionary War up to the Vietnam War.

>>80186677
Revolutionary? Bud, he was a) Canadian, and b) not born until the 1830s.

>>80186353
He didn't say that to the clone.
Why would anyone take your opinion seriously when you cant even be bothered to pay attention?

people need to stop being autistic about where it fits in with the other movies. it does no matter. this movie was not written or directed with a bullshit cinematic universe in mind or how they can reference other movies they're gonna make.

1. Plotholes everywhere
2. X-23's autistic screeching for 2 hours
3. Villains whose names I can't even remember.
4. Not Old Man Logan
5. "Diverse group of migrants flee Trump's America"
6. Logan v Logan nonsense
7. Stupid farm scene that is meant to be touching is completely flat and unfeeling.
8. boring (Felt like only 4 minutes of actually plot happened).

Continue?

>>80186708
lol fuck, my mistake.

>>80186761
Easier, I'll list the good things.

1. Charles
2. Logan (?)

>>80186621
Yes, his healing power would be fine, actually a lot better than what you normally see, without the adamantium. After decades of dealing with that, his power isn't able to keep up and it leaves him vulnerable to traditional death.

>>80186621
Adamantium poisoning was always an issue but was curbed by his healing factor.
As he aged, the healing factor slowed and was more easily taxed, meaning the poisoning was starting to affect him. In the comics, Wolverine gets stripped of adamantium at one point and his healing factor runs rampant, making him near-feral.

In this movie, some people cite the genetic doctoring of the food but Im not convinced that's what was happening until I watch the movie again. In either case, I find it more impactful if it was his own aging that was the primary factor.

>>80186353
That's not what Charles said. He said that he didn't deserve happiness and that he remembered what happened in Westchester.

>>80186761
Jesus, I read about your kind

>>80186834
Way I head-canon it is that he starts aging normally at the point he gets adamantium because the stress is just so much on his body. Then as he ages, his healing power weakens and it's just a self-reinforcing downward cycle from there.

>>80186761
1. name them
2. what?
3. the villains were nothing special but this wasn't a hero vs. villain movie
4. movie rights aren't consolidated, deal with it, we've known this for years
5. this movie wrapped well before trump was elected
6. represents how he's haunted by the actions of his past, very much in line with westerns; x24 was essentially a horror movie monster and i loved it
7. a bit overlong, yeah
8. you must be a hoot at parties

>>80185587
>"on the next episode of Dragon Ball Z, Logan has to face his greatest enemy. Himself."
I don't think that physical manifestation of his past in face of his clone was something that film really needed. X-24 was like "Martha" from BvS, you can try to justify it, but at the end the day it was hamfisted, stupid and ruined the movie for many people.

>>80186761
1. Plotholes everywhere
name at least 3
2. X-23's autistic screeching for 2 hours
she's a feral wolverine that lived her entire life in a lab, why would she not screech for 1.5 hours?
3. Villains whose names I can't even remember
Couldn't tell you his name but Narcos man did a good job
4. Not Old Man Logan
Much better than Old Man Logan
5. "Diverse group of migrants flee Trump's America"
just stop
6. Logan v Logan nonsense
missed the entire point somehow, read earlier posts in his thread
7. Stupid farm scene that is meant to be touching is completely flat and unfeeling.
was a genuine weak spot
8. boring (Felt like only 4 minutes of actually plot happened).
just

>>80186834

it doesn't matter.

there are a ton of reasons he might start aging or his healing slows down, inf fact it happened in the last wolvy movie.

there are two glaring ones in this one - constant adamantium poisoning for decades and the gene therapy

>>80181762
>No hulk children
>W e s t c h e s t e r
>Too convenient that Charles got Alzheimer's

>>80186885
haha holy shit really. x24 at least fit the theme of facing your past, Martha is just unforgivable

>>80186885
>X-24 was like "Martha" from BvS, you can try to justify it, but at the end the day it was hamfisted, stupid and ruined the movie for many people.

You are a fucking moron. Logan the face of the weapon X program and probably the most successful project from weapon X getting a clone is not a surprise. Logan worst enemy the entire time even prior to seeing X-24 was his own past. What would you have preferred? A giant laser beam in the sky for Logan to face off against?

>>80186941
>What would you have preferred? A giant laser beam in the sky for Logan to face off against?

No, Sabretooth clone would have been better.

>>80186941
To add to this anon, X-24 wasn't just a Logan clone, he was pure id and rage, so he was the absolute worst part of Logan that he hated in himself.

>>80183796
Rould you rike sum fry rice?

>>80186969
Sabretooth himself maybe, but only because Liev Schreiber. Why a sabretooth CLONE though?

>>80186969
Jesus CHRIST I am glad you weren't consulted.

>>80186941
Any military would try to weaponize healing powers too. All other mutants can still die just as easily which means all your investments go down the drain. Only other useful mutants would be long-range ones like Magneto and Storm that can be kept protected at a distance while they do their work.

>>80186969
>No, Sabretooth clone would have been better.
Please explain why a sabretooth clone would be better. Please I want to see how stupid you are

>>80181762
Hugh Jackman isn't my Daddy.

>>80187033
/thread

>>80186941

I thought the X-24 was kind of out of place at first, and while it didn't ruin the movie for me it did feel weird. But then I thought the stuff about it being a metaphor and his past catching up to him again, it worked well.

Comparing it to MARTHA is fucking stupid anyway. It didn't take 3 hours for that movie to get shit.

>>80187021
>Please explain why a sabretooth clone would be better. Please I want to see how stupid you are

A genuine surprise rather than "le evil clone" cliche that's been done a million times.

>>80186969

Retards who keep bringing up Sabretooth are the same ones who are obsessively freaking out about the place in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. No one cares about or remembers Sabretooth because that movie was shit.

>>80186872
That's my opinion too, the aging ceases to be slowed while his body uses all its engines to reverse the poison and injuried, then eventually only heals the life-threatening injuries while it nears it's last legs.

>>80186905
Definitely true, I just prefer it being age itself instead of some evil plan for some reason

>>80187116
>Facing off evil counterpart/brother is a surprise compared to le evil clone

Go ahead name how many movies use the le evil clone cliche and I bet I can top that list with evil counterpart/brother cliche.

>>80187116
Are you telling me you anticipated a clone?

Can someone explain to me movie Sabretooth? Wasn't he in X1 and Wolverine barely acknowledged him? Would a giant bear like monster really be good for this movie?

>>80187134
Agreed that aging is the more satisfying explanation. He's weary in this movie and for him to be dying simply because he's lived a hard life for almost three times as long as anyone should makes his death both more earned and digestible. If his healing factor was wearing out because of some external force/actor, it'd feel cheap and unfair.

>>80186941
I would prefer Rivers to be an actual threat to muties. That way movie would be actually more grounded to reality. People say Logan was a western. Now I do remember few westerns with lone wolf type of hero standing against of team of greedy mercenaries. Could have worked better in my opinion.

>>80185677
Getting mad at the premises is silly, cut the fat from the last 17 years of films and tell a small intimate story, its a good thing otherwise you end up with the hobbit 4

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AAYYY LMAO. This CGI tho.

>>80187292
ok

>>80183924
When she wakes up in a different set of clothes, and then she does it back to TC further on in the film. Kino

>>80183713

The movie literally takes place in 2029. Pay atention, please.

>>80184176

Wow, this might be the most pleb thing I ever read written on this board.

>>80187540
Number one rule of film: Tell, don't show.

>>80187562
Yeah but that only works when a movie follows the common sense rule of "Don't show stupid shit the audience doesn't need to see"

>>80185815
>no mention of Hulk incest

>>80185474
It was a mix of confusion and surprise. Plus the scene right after when Logan is frozen in place just watching X24 carry away Laura without saying a word is pure kino

>>80187608
What did Logan show that we didn't need to see?

>>80187771
A pair of tits

>>80185082
>in terms of technicality

What's this mean?

>>80187771
I was fine with the phone video being edited expertly, but it went on too long.

>>80184281
There's nothing wrong with a movie ending with a depressing ending.

>>80183863
Apparently they did plan to include some kind of flashback.
>Screenwriter Michael Green says earlier versions of the script included flashbacks that would have spelled out that incident, but the team decided to cut it.
>"It actually hits home a lot harder than the versions that really painted out specifically the flashback," Green tells Heat Vision. "Of course there are versions we wrote that were never filmed with the actual flashback of what happened, but I've found the experience of watching it is far more poignant to just know that it was something really regrettable and it was bad and most likely, friends were lost. Or maybe it was people we didn't know."
>Director James Mangold says the decision to cut the flashback was a simple one: "I wanted to make a movie less about information and more about character."
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/logan-spoilers-prof-x-scene-was-cut-movie-983121

>>80187800
You gay bro?

>>80187771
Nothing, but that anon was saying there should have been pointless flashback scenes

The acting is excellent,

the villains suck, i have no idea why there is an additional final showdown fight after the farm fight. it should've ended more subdued. it became typical capeshit for the last 30 minutes very disappointing that the studio had to step in

>>80187800
Yeah. You're right. That was pretty forced.

>>80187858
How did a pair of tits add to the plot or progress the story?
Needless pandering.

>>80184443

I agree on Caliban's death, it wasn't really well managed. The quip was absolutely unnecesary, for example.

>>80187820
I didn't say there was. The other guy just wanted an even more depressing ending. Right now it's just a glimmer of hope.

>>80187870
>i have no idea why there is an additional final showdown fight after the farm fight
Because it's a Marvel movie.

I don't get why Xavier was in Mexico? How the hell were they able to cross into the US with some little girl in their shot-up car?

>>80187948
isn't this a fox movie? i only watched it because of the praise and claims its not like capeshit. well it's not for the first 1 1/2 and then it ends with a sour taste of capeshit in your mouth

>>80187894
Nor did it hinder the plot. It just showed Logan as a limo driver.

>>80184478

It's the same envelope. Pay atention, please.

Have Caliban's suicide somehow be what incapacitates X24 at the farm. Play out the rest of the movie as normal. This way it means Logan never actually bests X24, a visual metaphor for how he can't escape his past and it's caught up with him. But there's hope with the new generation. Laura was able to defeat his past, showing that maybe he had the right influence on her and she won't grow up to be like him.

It also makes for a more meaningful redemption for Caliban.

>>80181762
Doctor doesn't need to be in the movie. Literally just contrived distracting bS to drag the movie out and make him interact with Caliban and appeal to comic lore fags.

>>80187870
Because despite all that has happened Logan hasn't redeemed himself yet.

>>80187467
Cans of Pringles look 2017

>>80187986
>He needs a pair of tits to tell him that Logan was a limo driver.

>>80188077
there are ways to do this without hurting the atmosphere of the film.

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Didnt watch the movie yet but just start reading this its pretty good desu
any comic fagg know is there anything from the comics in the movie any heavy spoilers ?

>>80187948
The real reason is that they had to desperately shake off the Last Of Us comparisons.

How did none of you people thinking it's unrealistic all the mutants died not pick up on the details

The tv said 7 dead mutants in Westchester and 600 wounded/paralyzed (can't remember which word 100% desu don't want to be conclusive if not sure!)

That's dead storm, cyclops, nightcrawler, colossus, and whatever other 3)(probably not Jean assuming Phoenix arrives regardless maybe she committed Sudoku now in DOFP timeline!)
And then SIX HUNDRED probably more of the powerful ones situated around him hurt

Also to the people misunderstanding the timeline

It's DOFP timeline
Charles mentions New York/statue if liberty but that could have been him reading it in Wolverines brain, not X1 happening in DOFP timeline too

Wolverine is the only who remembers both timelines

>>80188115
They needed to show his sacrifice and one final prime Logan moment before his sending off.

>>80188191
The filmmakers have even stated they gave no considerations to the lore of other films. Any "proof" as to where it fits in what timeline is purely coincidental. No one can undo what Singer has done so why even try.

>>80188086
A pair of tits is just another pair of tits. It could have been fucking backstreet boys in the back would that have made a difference? No. Why is it you have a problem with fucking tits? You gay bro?

Yo wtf was with Lauren or Loren or whatever almost MURDERING an innocent store clerk cause he asked her not to shoplift. And we're supposed to root for her character?

I get it, the evil gubment tortured and experimented on her, and her social skills weren't developed, but this mutant could easily grow up into a cold blooded murder machine, killing innocents at random. I woukdnt want someone like that around my kids or anyone else's kids.

Also, the actor sucked. The character went between autistic silence and autistic screeching.

Movie was too long, regenerating health made the fights seem redundant. Why couldn't the soldiers be equipped with adamantium bullets?

Just too many problems in this movie. It's not cape-kino or whatever the fuck autists are calling it. If anything, it's better than all the captain America, avengers, and iron man movies, but will not be remembered a year from now.

>>80188225
They did say DOFP timeline though

But agreed on the irrelevance

>>80188234
Because of the boobs my wife won't let me take my son to the movie.

>>80188080

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logan_(film)#Plot

>In the year 2029

It's ok to be wrong sometimes, anon-kun.

>>80184387
You need to be 18+ to post here.

>>80188273
Your wife's son?

>>80188358
Yes my son

>>80188381
Your wife's son is not your son dude.

>Did have curly mustache
>No mango Sentinel though

9/10 its ok

>>80188276
I'm not saying you are wrong. .. I'm saying the art design forgot to futurize the Pringles.

Not a flawless movie, but better than 95% of all MCU and Nolan. A damn fine film.

>>80185123
fuck of george

>>80187870
>>80188115
this: >>80188077

Chance at redemption #1: Logan drives away from his home, trying to ditch Laura behind (failed)

Chance at redemption #2: Logan sees X-24 carrying Laura away but still decides to check on Xavier first (failed)

Chance at redemption #3: Logan returns to save Laura and the children (redeemed)

>>80188245 >adamantium bullets
Eh no that's a really rare metal
and they probably used up all their adamantium on Laura

>>80188900
That's makes sense I guess.

Still, the villain really assembled a shitty team. they're dealing with super humans...you'd figure they'd have more at their disposal than just bullets. Hell, just call in an air strike where the kids are running too if they're so intent on removing the mutants

>>80189031
I don't know really. I will have to watch it again. You kinda always need to see a movie like this twice, imo, cause the first you watch this you are more focused on the "Main plot" you know what I mean?

>>80189118
Usually I'd agree but after I was done I made up my mind that it isn't worth a second watch. It was above average for a marvel flick, like I said I enjoyed it more than any captain America, iron man or avengers movie, but not something I'd waste 2 hours watching again

>>80189031
>>80189118
Tranq darts.
Shoot big capture nets at them.
Shoot at X-23's legs from afar.
Use a cannon that shoots out expanding glue foam.
Sleeping gas.
Tear gas.
The blond bad guy had a robotic hand. But they didn't have mech suits, cybernetic enhancements, or anything like that.

>>80189219
I guess I can respect that

>>80187562
is the opossite.
show, don't tell.

>>80189231
Exactly, so many more effective ways to capture them.

Idk, the whole regeneration thing is just stupid. It makes the fights boring as shit cause we know Logan will just regenerate. And if the bad guys were aware of adamantiums killing power (since they must've studied Logan's clone), why wouldn't they invest in acquiring more of it specifically to use against him and the little girl? I'm not a comic fanboy and tried to watch the movie from an objective standpoint, but shit like that just ruined any kind of suspense the fights could've had.