Why didn't Elrond just push this stupid asshole into the volcano?

Because it didn't actually happen like that, he never climbed Mt. Doom for no reason just to turn around and say "jk lol". In the books he takes the ring as his prize and walks away from the battle but that doesn't even matter because you're just shitposting and making the same thread for the thousandth time

>>80174560
>Because it didn't actually happen like that
It did in the films

>>80174493
>implying Elrond could have beaten a numenorean king with the One Ring on his finger

>>80174493
This is the equivalent of a 12 yrs old trying to push off Magnús Ver Magnússon off a cliff...

>>80174635
Gollum was able to get the upper hand on Frodo who had The Ring at the time.

I'm not too well versed in the lore but I'd guess that they'd be pretty even in terms of one on one fighting ability. If anything I'd give Elrond the edge

>>80174589
And as we all know Jackson is a hack.

>>80174703
the ring doesn't make hobbits stronger, it makes them stealthier

>>80174770
That's just a meme, right? Surely people here don't actually think that

>>80174493
let's assume he's pushed him and then he comes out of the volcano hall
there stands an army of men, who honestly believe they've just defeated the forces of evil and capture the enemy's most powerful weapon. they feel sad for their beloved old king's death and at the same time happy for a new great king rising. deputy king comes forward

- my lord elrond, where is our new king, Isildur?
- you know what, he didn't want to destroy the most powerful artifact in our world, so I had to push him off the ledge.

can you imagine what would happen next?

>>80174635
>an high elf with his own ring o power couldn't beat a numenorean king

>a bunch of orks killed him

suuuuuure

>>80174703
The ring gives different people different abilities.

A Dunedain like Isildur will be way more affected by the ring than a walking potato with hairy feet will. Not to mention the reason Frodo carries it in the first place is because Hobbits are incredibly resistant to it's effects.

>>80174838
Wrong, if he pushed him and destroyed the ring Sauron's tower would have exploded killing everyone in the vicinity followed by the land collapsing and Mount Doom erupting so there would have been no problem and no need to give explanations to anyone

Protip: no one, NO ONE in Middle Earth has the will to throw away the Ring.

If Elrond tried to fight Isildur, he would only take the ring for himself.

>>80174924
that includes Noldorin following Elrond army. or do you suggest he should secretly tell them to take cover while he strolled to the mountain of doom?

also iirc Barad Dur was not even built at that time

>>80174958
I bet I could

>>80175006
bet you can't eat just one tho

>>80174820
LOTR was saved by the amazing cast, the script closer to the books(I mean, in terms of dialog), the art department, and being released just at the right time where 3D were mainly just used for the things that really needed to be 3D.

A lot of elements Jackson, Fran & Phillipa added were kinda shit.

And you know, even a hack can make something amazing by accident. But it can't be denied that LOTR is pretty much the only thing he's done that is good.

>>80174852
because the ring betrayed him, no?

>>80174958
you forgot tom bombadill

>>80174983
The craft that went into the LotR films is amazing. Even if you don't like them, calling Jackson a hack is being a contrarian just for the sake of it. They're incredibly well made films from someone who really loves the source material.

>>80175033
>But it can't be denied that LOTR is pretty much the only thing he's done that is good.
Of course that can be denied, Hobbit is pretty much the only thing he dun goofed. Now do us all a favor and fuck off.

>>80174635

>elrond
>the elven king
>literally multiple millenias of fighting experience
>has fought demi gods
>is the blood of guys who killed dragons with single teeth bigger than smaug
couldnt beat a numenorean king with the ring of power?

>>80174988
>not making a sacrifice for the greater good

why are elves so selfish

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>>80175094
Nope, he was a scrub faggot

>>80174900
Not to mention Illuvatar literally intervened and caused Gollum to trip and fall into the lava.

>>80175074
Yeah no. His earlier stuff, while enjoyable schlock aren't exactly good. And King Kong and The Lovely Bones were mediocre to bad.

>>80175094
>thinking this faggy half-blood is anything special

>>80174493

Ilisildur would jump off falling rocks and leap back up

>>80175105
btw that was quite well elaborated in the canon. elves do not breed like people, they have a few kids in a millennia. the life of an elf is much more precious than anyone else. jackson should have made it more clear to emphasize the unnatural situation when lorien elves came to the helms deep, if he was brave enough to go ahed with this little invention

>>80175094

>Elrond and Elros were given the choice at the end of the First Age to be counted among Men or Elves. Elros chose the Fate of Men and became Elros Tar-Minyatur, the first King of Númenor. Elrond chose to be counted among the Elves,[5] and remained in Lindon as captain and herald of Gil-Galad, the High King of the Ñoldor.[6]

it would literally be kinslaying

elrond wasnt pure elf anyway, he had 1/4th Men blood

Elves are physically slight compared to men. Numenoreans were like Samoans compared to most other races of men, too.

>>80175230
Pretty sure that far down it doesn't count as kin anymore.

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Why didn't Sam just push this stupid asshole into the volcano?

>>80175321
because he loved frodo (no homo)

>>80175321
>You were the chosen one! you were supposed to destroy the Ring, not take it!

>>80175391
>You were supposed to share the load, not swallow it!

>>80174493
He must have supported Isildur tax policy

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>Yes Aragorn I will honor my pledge to you and fight for the true king of Gondor....
>BUT ONLY IF YOU CAN SURVIVE THIS AVALANCHE OF SKULLS!

fuck you hackson

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Why didn't Iluvator just create hell, like the Christian God did, and put Sauron in charge of that hell? Naturally, stressing that it's a very important job for World Order, and without it the world is gonna be overrun by degenerates and whatnot. So Sauron has to round up degenerates and put them into hell, and then.. I don't know, like, punish them, or try to reform them through strict discipline, structure and therapy, or whatever. It's a winwin solution: Sauron is busy and convinced he's important and doing something important, Hell is hella scary and there are more righteous creatures, but at the same time you never run out of crooks so Sauron never runs out of work.
tl;dr Iluvator's management skills are so shit!

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>>80175420
>share the load, not swallow it!

>>80175321
>when you propose to your bae and she gives you this face

>>80175595
Welcome to non-abrahamic religions 101

>>80175660
The silliest part is that the rest of the religion seems pretty Abrahamic. If you can call it religion, of course.

>>80175721
So who's the Abraham? Finwe?

>>80175721
well Tolkien was Catholic after all. Of course it would have Abrahamic elements

>>80175721
Wasn't Tolkien crazy religious?

>>80175775
>crazy religious?

no need to repeat it

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>>80175321

Once again LOTR threads prove themselves to be a pinnacle of comfiness

>>80175848
>no need to repeat it

Post of the day.

>>80175775
He probably was. And yet he leaves such obvious things as concepts of Hell or Heaven out, replacing them with Le Magickal Land Where Creatures of Certain Race (or That Race's Pets) Can Sail On Magick Ships and, for unfabulous mortals, some lame hints at possible reincarnation - perhaps in a proper, more complete universe.

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>>80175848
>>80175911

>>80175094
>>80175203
>>80175230
Elrond was one of the most powerful Elves in existence. Glorfindel & Galadriel were the two more powerful Elves alive that I can remember. Elrond was still an elf in spirit and had the power level of the original elves. In the mythos, you get weaker the more generations you have. 1v1 Elrond would have wrecked Isildur. In the book, Isildur has just beaten Sauron and his elite bodyguard are helping him up. They are all super humans and vastly superior to the humans in the 3rd Age. Even if Elrond could have bested his bodyguard and beaten Isildur, he'd still have to get inside Mt Doom and he's STILL have to then justify his actions, something the Dunedain wouldn't want to listen to. Regicide is a bad thing. Noldor would have been utterly destroyed. Hell, they might have even marched on Mirkwood to get rid of those faggy Elves.

>Reading up on Feanor on tv trope

>He believed that the sound change of th > s in Quenya was a conspiracy of the Valar against him and his mother, and used it as a political litmus test in his feud over his brothers' (equally nonexistent) plots against him. Ironically, most elven scholars believed that the change was a mistake, but Fëanor made it so political that he turned every sympathetic ear against him.

Kek what the fuck is this autism made of

>>80174958
Bilbo gave it up with some prodding but still willingly.

>>80176295
>tv tropes

gb2tumblr

>>80176295
>hurr durr Tolkien autism
kys retard
that motherfucker was fighting huns in WW1 when your grandfather was a fucking sperm cell. For what he has seen there, no one should blame him even if he draw hentai porn.

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>"uh...no frodo you actually can't have it back. It's mine now you midget fuck. "

>>80176492
they really should have shown his pre-story with denethor in the theatres

it would have added so much context for normies

>>80176492
>first thing he does is drop Nasil on the floor and not even picking it up
>then he whines about Gondor being alone while keeping everyone safe
>then tries to touch the ring
>tries again
>constantly complains
>tries to forcefully take the ring

was he this bad in the books too?

>>80176464
>>80176439

Lmao is this virgin underage incapable of reading comprehension central

>>80176227
Ar Pharazon was closest in strength to the men of the first age. He was capable of 1v1ing or close to it Sauron himself. "Ar-Pharazôn grew into a Man of great strength, stature, and will, not unlike the ancient heroes of the Edain." and "Ar-Pharazôn was remembered by the surviving Númenorean lineage with a sort of grudging respect. Despite his errors, he was the first and last Human capable to beat and humiliate the powerful dark lord Sauron by himself."

I don't know if that second one is meant to be taken as he had the capabilities to defeat Sauron, however, I interpreted it as he could 1v1 him.

>>80175595
Literally what? It's Sauron and Melkor who casue the problems, not "degenerates"?

>>>/pol/

>>80175595
>Satan is in charge of Hell

>>80176700
STOP QUOTING MADE UP WIKI BULLSHIT

>>80175033
But Jackson cut a lot of stupid shit like Tom bombadil

>>80176295
A lot of that was fed to him by Melkor though, he was just a vocal mouth piece for him to corrupt the Noldor with.

>>80175595
you mean melkor

sauron was a nobody then

>>80176632
When you are at school tomorrow, pay attention in English class.

>>80176750
It's not like it's unfaithful to the source the people running it I would assume are avid fans.

>>80176845
>It's not like it's unfaithful to the source
It is absolutely unfaithful, hence why you have made up bullshit like how he's remembered with "grudging respect."

>>80176752
Tom Bombadil was not stupid at all. That was an illustration of Tolkiens firm believe that there are powers among us, who despite being almighty and omnipotent, are absolutely not interested in any affairs of the present. A perfect antithesis for Sauron, Denethor, even Gandalf.

>>80176464
>Tolkien draws hentai porn
>In the middle of a second doujin characters decide to go on a quest
>Suddenly it's a series of 100 doujins
>A whole doujin dedicated to lewd words from made up languages
>Several races with entirely different ways of having sex: kinks, lingerie, positions, etc.
>Tolkien invents isekai before Japs
>100 years later all porn is fantasy isekai
>HURR I'M SICK OF FAPPING TO ELVES! >WHY DOES EVERY PORN HAS TO HAVE A FUCKIN PROPHECY AND A DARK LORD?!
>FUCK PARTIES ARE SO OVERDONE, M8

>>80176700
Fucking glorfindel would have trouble soloing sauron pre ring-fuckup, how do you think a human would fare

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>>80176960
Are you retarded? It's a human which kills Morgoth, who delivers the final blow who destroys all evil for good.

TURIN.

This is why people hate wiki scholars such as yourself, you have no fucking idea what you are talking about.

>>80176822
No, Melkor doesn't have an obsession with order, the offer wouldn't be attractive to him.

>>80176833

How about you neck yourself kid

>>80177077
>complains about wiki scholars
>cites things that Tolkien abandoned

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>>80177119
>not reading all Tolkien.
Pleb's, I tell you what.

>>80177077
Nigga it says that on the Wiki so you could have read that yourself. The point is the line of numorean kings was strengthened in body by the Valar through Elros and Ar Pharazon was one of the mighest of that line, therefore, one would assume he is very powerful at least as strong as Elrond, who knows maybe more.

>>80177077
>It's a human which kills Morgoth
I thought he was thrown into the Void, m8. While still alive. Cause, you know, Valar can't be killed, being demi-gods and all. And you call someone a wiki-scholar.

>>80177077
Look at Hurin, and Turin, both of them were abnormally strong men, they probably could have taken Sauron on. Beren, Luthien, and Huan did, although you could say it was mostly Huan.

>>80176492
fuck you Ned

>>80177163
He comes back for the final battle and Turin is the one who kills him with Gurthang. Feanor is also supposed to be resurrected for this battle.

>>80175593
Is this from the extended edition or something? Those fuck up the pacing of this kino so badly

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why didn't he just seal the entrance?

>>80177163
Morgoth was executed. Read fucking Morgoth's Ring wiki scholar.

>>80177218
Again wiki scholar, Dagor Dagorath was dropped by Tolkien.

>>80177240
Why would he do that?

>>80177163
Dagor Dagorath, senpai.

>therefore, one would assume he is very powerful at least as strong as Elrond, who knows maybe more.
Literally what? Elrond is not strong, see? This s your fucking wiki scholar'ing, he is old. Elrond was not an elf of war, he was an Elf of lore, want to know why I know you haven't read the books and are wiki scholar'ing? You didn't mention Elladan and Elrohir, his two sons who actually enjoyed war and who were sent on missions on behalf of elves.

Elrond was not a fighter, saying he was maybe even greater than Elrond means literally nothing, yeah he led armies, most noble elves did, he was known for his wisdom and leadership, not martial prowess.

In short, stop wiki scholarring.

>>80177274
>>therefore, one would assume he is very powerful at least as strong as Elrond, who knows maybe more.
>Literally what? Elrond is not strong, see? This s your fucking wiki scholar'ing, he is old. Elrond was not an elf of war, he was an Elf of lore, want to know why I know you haven't read the books and are wiki scholar'ing? You didn't mention Elladan and Elrohir, his two sons who actually enjoyed war and who were sent on missions on behalf of elves.
>Elrond was not a fighter, saying he was maybe even greater than Elrond means literally nothing, yeah he led armies, most noble elves did, he was known for his wisdom and leadership, not martial prowess.
>In short, stop wiki scholarring.

Meant to link

>>80177145

>>80177242
I imagine you as an angry man alone with your books who gets mad at other peoples mistakes because the factual correctness of the books on an anime website is all you have to hold onto. And the idea of people at least trying to get into the lore without owning the books eats you up.

>>80177264
so people can't enter it and throw the ring in the lava?

at least put a giant door that only a lot of people or some troll could move

>>80177274
Holy shit have you even read Lord of the Rings?

>The face of Elrond was ageless, neither old nor young, though in it was written the memory of many things both glad and sorrowful. His hair was dark as the shadows of twilight, and upon it was set a circlet of silver; his eyes were grey as a clear evening, and in them was a light like the light of stars. Venerable he seemed as a king crowned with many winters, and yet hale as a tried warrior in the fulness of his strength. He was the Lord of Rivendell and mighty among both Elves and Men.

>>80174560
This is /tv/ not /lit/ you Oscars Wilde reading faggot

>>80177322
Why would anyone do that?

>>80177322
wasn't it because the mountain was like kryptonite to Sauron and his creations, including the Nazgul and other dark lieutenants? I guess a few orcs could have just chilled outside an active volcano all the time, but that seems prohibitively hot and dangerous for cowardly orcs to want to do that

>>80176918
Do you think a concept like that would works in a theatrical medium? Im doubtful

>>80177077
Turin is a very bad example of a powerful human, especially when you have a look at his downfall. All humans are flawed in Tolkiens myth, thats a given.

>>80177372
>wasn't it because the mountain was like kryptonite to Sauron and his creations, including the Nazgul and other dark lieutenants?
What the fuck are people smoking when they come up with this utter bullshit?

It is literally the place where Sauron's power is greatest.

>>80175033
oh please. the films were good because the director managed to salvage something watchable from a story written by an incompetent author who should've stuck to academia

>>80177368
because it's the place where thye have to go if they want to destroy the ring

wasn't Sauron supposed to be a good strategist? yet he never though about putting a door to stop people?

>>80177372
but he literally forged the ring inside the mountain

>>80177142
Which language are you trying to learn Anon? Im starting Russian after finald

>>80177483
>because it's the place where thye have to go if they want to destroy the ring
Why would anyone want to destroy the ring?

>>80177374
I think they could have added a great deal of depth and ambiguity for the Gandalf character. Imagine Gandalf having a flashback of Tom Bombadil while he has sent Frodo and Sam to a certain death. There is a potential in it, though I'm sure it will compromise the integrity of the story, Gandalf being a suffering messiah and all that.

>>80177242
>>80177274

Silmarillion is where I drew the line. Glorified drafts gathered by greedy son and probably fake? No, thank you. Might look them up one day when I have nothing to do and need a giggle. But that's only two steps above Brian Herbert's stuff and one step above those pocket-sized books about Bombadil and whatever they keep mysteriously discovering every year to decorate the gifts sections in bookstores.

>>80177496
This. Do you lock you're oven door because you think people are going to use it to destroy that wonderful baked potato you just made?

>>80175094
Yeah, but the powerlevel of the elves is all over the place.

>elves getting wrecked by orcs and other low level grunts in high numbers

vs

>elves in a flying boat taking down a dragon bigger then two mountains.

>>80177555
>Silmarillion is where I drew the line. Glorified drafts gathered by greedy son and probably fake?
Wiki scholars everyone.

>>80177496
>not taking into consideration any possibility
>better safe than sorry
>etc.

also if he didn't consider that why did he keep an army to guard the mountain?

>>80177408
>All humans are flawed in Tolkiens myth
Is there a bigger self-hating cuck among fantasy writers? Even GRRM is less so.

>>80177335
Saying Elrond is one of the greatest elves, when there were elves who solo'd Sauron and Balrogs just because there is quotes saying he was strong shows you have pretty much no understanding of the English language or any sort of reading comprehension.

>>80177489
Mandarin. It's been about a year since I tried though. It's a slow process.

>>80177638
>also if he didn't consider that why did he keep an army to guard the mountain?

He didn't. And if you lie in another post I'm going to stop responding to you.

>>80177550
You have to realize that books != films. They both have their strong points. I think incorporating the subtlety of Tom would have left the audience confused and the movie would feel unpolished.

Books can do tons of themes. Films are much more restricted.

Do you agree?

>>80177489
Don't bother with Russian, go for Chinese. At least you can add something to your neetbucks by doing translation. In Russian there's zero content, and 19th century classics only get you so far.

>>80177646
>there were elves who solo'd Sauron
How could you possibly not expect me to call you out on such utter bullshit?

>>80177695
maybe I am not remembering it right, but I thought they launched the assault on the black gat to draw the army away from Mt Doom and even in the book Sam and Frodo commented about the army moving away

>>80177713
stay away from chinese, you dont want to work with chinese people, its a constant battle of them trying to rip you off.

>>80177720
Fingolfin would dunk sauron. Sauron was a deceiver. Not a great warrior

>>80177408
What? He was flawwed and his downfall was so harsh because that was literally the point. Morgoth made him suffer and made his father watch.

Imrahil was a pretty flawless person, one you would know had you read the books. So was Faramir. This is totally disregarding the fact in Tolkiens world death is literally a gift. Humans are the ones to inherit the world, Elves are forever salty humans are the ones to inherit the earth.

>>80174493
elves are gay lol

>>80177617
Might have worded it vaguely. I've read the Silmarillion. I just didn't bother with anything else. Like those fanfic-tier things with resd characters and their anime power-level battles that you mention.

>>80177720
I meant Melkor. My bad. Also this >>80177751, if I wolf could take Sauron, granted it was prophesied and Huan was badass, I am pretty certain some elves could also take him, like FIngolfin or Eol could sneak shank him.

>>80177746
There are orcs around because as I already fucking said, it is the center of Sauron's power. None of them however are ever said to be "guarding" Sammath Naur.

What fucked up the lore more the movies or the recent games?

>>80177713
It's one of the most requested languages by the US government though and I have a bit of Russian in me so why not?

>>80174493
Because he isn't an immoral consequentialist dickhead?

>>80177695
Not him, but
>not taking into consideration any possibility
is a big plot-hole, considering the character is obsessed with order and literally autistic and paranoid

>>80177807
Yeah melkor could not be defeated by any non gods or nondemigods

>>80177806
>. Like those fanfic-tier things with resd characters and their anime power-level battles that you mention.
What the fuck are you blabbering about?

>>80177807
The two Elves that ever faced Morgoth died.

>>80177645
He might just as well be. Also Tolkien always assumed himself to be Beren (powerless human) and his wife Luthien (demigod elf). That's even reflected on their tombstones

>>80177852
Sauron is obsessed with power. I will ask again, why would he believe anyone would ever seek to destroy the largest source of power in Middle-earth?

You fucking idiots blabber about "plot holes" when it is explained exactly why Sauron is not suspecting anyone to destroy the ring MULTIPLE TIMES.

>>80177707
Agreed, that would ruin the movie. It's just somewhere in PTA domain for my taste. Hope the guy will remake LOTR one day

i know some of you fags are in shireposting

>>80176700
>I don't know if that second one is meant to be taken as he had the capabilities to defeat Sauron, however, I interpreted it as he could 1v1 him.
Naw, the whole deal there was that Sauron willingly let himself get captured in order to bring down Numenor

>>80177909
This
One of the main themes of LOTR is that power can't beat power, it's why the wizards were forbidden from openly challenging Sauron
Evil/Power could only be defeated via humility, something that it couldn't fathom

The only thing that ever got me about Tolkien's stuff was that sometimes humans could do bad ass shit or do nothing at all.

>>80177852
You are a literal moron and you have no idea how wars work, how resources need to be managed. Read the book, the path that they literally chanced upon via walking up the face of a volcano led directly to Barad-Dur and was Sauron's only entrance to the Volcano.

Here is what Sauron knows.
>he knows the ring isn't with him
>he thinks Aragorn might have it
>this pleb is challenging him
>remember fingolfin and Melkor
>he has to meet him
>doesn't even occur to him that someone COULD destroy the ring
>literally takes Eru to destroy it

Now what you are saying, ois he should defend something he literally has no reason to, because you've read a book and cannot into others shoes. But yes, when you are a military leader, you do not compartmentalize your bases, you literally defend every single aspect of it 100% of the time, regardless of what you are thinking, regardless of what you know.

>>80177909
>that one letter where Tolkien says Sauron was first obsessed with ORDER, only then with power, and that as a means to an end (read: more order).
Often posted here but I can't be arsed to dig it up, after all I'm a wiki-scholar, it's you who likes drafts and letters :3.

Isildur was 7 feet tall.

>>80177758
In fact I agree with you. I think thats why Tolkien sets the stage at the time when Elves are leaving just to underline how marvelous they are in comparison with men. How many men you know to resist the Ring? One. How many elves? Every one of them.

I know there is a talk about Tolkien writing a sequel about second Sauron coming after Aragorn, but I REALLY REALLY doubt it. JRRT was an idealist, he wanted the men to be perfect - not like him, riddled with physical and mental disabilities after WW1 - thus he created the elves, who are leaving never to return.

>>80177854
Melkor is literally defeated by a human in the end battle.

>"Thus spoke Mandos in prophecy, when the Valar sat in judgement in Valinor and the rumour of his word was whispered among all the Elves of the West. When the world is old and the Powers have grown weary, Morgoth, the Black Foe of the World, seeing that the guard sleepeth, shall come back through the Door of the Night out of the Timeless Void; and all shall be darkness, for the sun he will turn to black, and the moon will no longer shed his light.. But the Host of Valinor shall descend upon him as a searing flame, white and terrible. Then shall the Last Battle be gathered on the fields of Valinor. In that day, Tulkas shall strive with Morgoth, and on his right hand shall be Eönwë, and on his left Túrin Turambar, son of Húrin, returning from the Doom of Men at the ending of the world; and the black sword of Túrin shall deal unto Morgoth his death and final end; and so shall the Children of Húrin and all fallen Men be avenged."

>>80177811
Shadows of Moredurrr wasnt that bad surely?

Hobbit fucked the lore so hard

>>80177958

Hairy-leg pls, I haven't even posted one carrot

>>80174958
tom bombadil
samwise
gandalf
literally everyone at the council in FOTR
faramir

should i keep going?

>>80178029
This.

>>80177811
the games

>>80178085
No, it's even worse than the hobbit in lore rape

This ignoring the fact that Sauron sent his entire army to the Black Gate despite the human army having no siege equipment and literal no way to take it

>>80178127
I meant throw it into Mt. Doom

>>80178165
b-but it was halfway decent until the end

>>80178127
You should read the letters.

>>80178085
The next game has the protagonist forge a ring of power stronger than the one ring.

>>80178169
He thought the ring was out there

>>80178029
>it's fine because he is written to be an idiot

oh I get it

>>80178258
please be joking

>>80178029
>literally takes Eru to destroy it
Literally where do you get this, wiki-scholars? Gandalf and Elrond both knew it could be destroyed in Mount Doom. Sauron made it, so chances are he knew as well.

>>80178292
I don't know if it is explicitly stated to be more powerful than the one ring but it's still a new ring of power.

>>80178282
Explain how he is an idiot, using the information HE has available, not you? His whole base was defended, it was a literal miracle that they got through in the way that they did, that surprised LITERALLY everyone, even Gandalf, who fucking said they shouldn't have taken the path they did.

You've got literally no idea how war works, I mean, you are saying Sauron should defend his base in such a way the defends TWO fucking hobbits sneaking in to destroy something which is literally impossible to destroy.

He wasn't written like an idiot, you're just a moron who hasn't even read the books and is basing your opinion of a literal action movie.

>WHY AREN'T THEY DEFENDING A GATE WHICH IS BEHIND LITERALLY THE WORST ENEMY LINES IN THE WORLD WHICH IS GUARDED BY A LITERAL GOD SPIDER OFFSPRING
>WHY DIDN'T SAURON PUT GUARDS ON HIS PERSONAL PATH
>WHY AM I SUCH A FUCKING RETARD
THat's you, granted with a 'little' bit of hyperbole.

>>80177496
Because otherwise Sauron, while not as strong without the ring, is still free to fuck Middle Earth's shit up.

>>80178309
See
>>80178246

It could be destroyed in Mount Doom (or any fire hot enough of which Mt Doom is the last remaining volcano capable of doing so), that doesn't mean anyONE can actually throw it away.

>>80178385
seems like a lazy way to make a sequel doesnt it.

>>80178403
I only said that he should have put a door at the entrance, which is still a valid argument.
A simple door would have assured his victory, but apparently putting a door to an entrance is some kind of high military war tactic that requires too much thinking.
He also knew that there was a hobbit in Mordor since they captured him and took his mythril mail, maybe the same hobbit his Nazguls were hunting since the first movie.
But again, no, let's ignore all signs and just leave the path open.

ALL I SAID WAS PUT A DOOR THERE

>>80174493
Because Isildur was his friend and not pushing him in was later on his biggest regret?

It always kills me how fucking smug Isildur looks.

>>80178536
Isn't putting a door a sign of great weakness by Suaron? How do you think Mordor parliament would react to that?

>>80178403
>GRRM making his argument about taxes
>HURR FUCC OFF WITH 'MUH GRIMDARK REALISM' THIS IS HIGH FANTASY YOU AUTIST
>Why didn't a paranoid OCD immortal spirit with practically infinite army put two orcs near one gate?
>DURR YOU DON'T KNOW HOW WAR WORKS
Fascinating maneuvers, Tolkien fanboys.

>>80178536
>I only said that he should have put a door at the entrance, which is still a valid argument.
No you have not, because you have not said for what reason he would have to do so.

>>80178451
Pretty much I bet we end up fighting Saron.

>>80178536
>a door
I thought it was more than that, why did I reply? Holy shit you are a moron. You understand in the canon Sam and Frodo were in Mordor for ~20 days, mostly hidden from the inhabitants? But yes, a door would have stopped them.

>>80178593
Kek

>>80178625
IN Space

>>80175137

Is that shit canon or just made up ass water.

>>80178593
they approved the giant black wall, they can approve a small door too
the defense budget can afford it

>>80178605
so people don't sneak in and forge new rings of power while you are not looking

>>80178627
I posted the image, if the path was blocked Sam and Frodo wouldn't have been able to open it especially considering they could barely walk at that point.

>>80178593
IMPEACHMENT

>>80178593
The parliament wouldn't notice: it was too engrossed in tax policy and the new controversial pro-life legislation dubbed 'Baby Orcs Bill'

>>80178709
Letters

>>80178536
Gandalf:
>Frodo, you made it into Mordor? How?
Frodo:
>Sam and I traversed the Morgal Vale, we fought with Shelob
>I was captured but Sam Wise saved the quest!
Gandalf:
>so the ring, what is it's fate, did you destroy it?
Frodo:
>we tried Gandalf, we made it al lthe way to the volcano itself, but there was a door
>so we turned around
Gandalf:
>Okay.

>>80178691
I mean they put golum in the first game so anything is possible.

>>80178711
You said seal the entrance, not make a door, they are two entirely different concepts. Why would Sauron seal something he still uses? It's his personal forge.

>>80178709
It's the latest Iluvator-apologist maymay, don't bully.

>>80178778
yeah that was so out of fucking place

graphically though the game is still amazing and it plays pretty good considering.

>>80178769
But the eagles could pick them up and then they would drop the ring into the volcano's opening. Only requires the eagles to show up a few minutes earlier. Nazguls and everyone are distracted at the gate anyway.

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People should read the books, not the wiki.

>And far away, as Frodo put on the Ring and claimed it for his own, even in Sammath Naur the very heart of his realm, the Power in Barad-dûr was shaken, and the Tower trembled from its foundations to its proud and bitter crown. The Dark Lord was suddenly aware of him, and his Eye piercing all shadows looked across the plain to the door that he had made; and the magnitude of his own folly was revealed to him in a blinding flash, and all the devices of his enemies were at last laid bare. Then his wrath blazed in consuming flame, but his fear rose like a vast black smoke to choke him. For he knew his deadly peril and the thread upon which his doom now hung.

>From all his policies and webs of fear and treachery, from all his stratagems and wars his mind shook free; and throughout his realm a tremor ran, his slaves quailed, and his armies halted, and his captains suddenly steerless, bereft of will, wavered and despaired. For they were forgotten. The whole mind and purpose of the Power that wielded them was now bent with overwhelming force upon the Mountain. At his summons, wheeling with a rending cry, in a last desperate race there flew, faster than the winds, the Nazgûl the Ringwraiths, and with a storm of wings they hurtled southwards to Mount Doom.

>>80178867
I'm just going to pretend it's a different mythology and not at all related to LoTR when I play it.

>>80178894
God I remember reading that part in 1998 and I honestly thought Frodo would become a new Sauron, or he will defeat Sauron just by claiming the ring and the Gandalf would reconcile him

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This is good and all, but the important thing to remember is that Boromir is more elven than Aragorn.

>>80178917
fuck i thought it was bretty good for a spinoff

>>80178958
>that percentage

>>80178894
it clearly wasn't an heavy enough door

>>80175321

YOU UNDER-ESTIMATE MY POWEERRR

Suck me off Elrond, while Galadriel watches chained up in the corner.

>>80174493
Elrond was a beta while Isilidur was an alpha

>>80178988
Yeah I really liked the Arkham games so it was easy to like this one.

>>80174820
after the Hobbit, are there people that DON'T think that?

>>80179139
i think LOTR universe is a better fit for this sort of game but yeah Batman was fun

>>80179198
Indeed.

>>80179227
j-joel?

>>80179193
Jackson did the best he could out of a shit situation.

You should really read up on the making of this film, Jackson audit'd New Line over contract disputed relating to LOTR, which is why he was initially kicked off of working on The Hobbit and then they bought on Del Toro. New Line boss took offence to the fact Jackson bought an audit against them (even though it was in Jacksons contract to do so).

It's Hollywood accounting.

>>80179245
No?

>>80179396
good

>>80174493
what dind fardo just fly thre eagels to mt dude!???

>>80178894
'Door' here means just the portal, the arch, not something which locks, you autist. Not what anons are implying he should've made. And the point about guards still stands.

>>80177550

Cutting Bombadil was the absolute right decision, it would've ruined the pacing and atmosphere.

>>80179700
You fucking idiot, the point is that Sauron never considered that anyone would try and destroy the ring so the point about guards is absolutely retarded.

In fact if any of you fucks had read the books, you would know Sauron in fact frequently had the path repaired and uncovered.from damage caused by Mount Doom.

>>80178769
>almost got blocked out of Moria because of a door
>implying two small hobbits could have opened a giant door in front of the entrance when they could barely stand still

>>80179811
>still doesn't explain why not having a simple door

>>80179843
Last post you get fucking troll. Sauron is not going to fucking lock up a place he never expects anyone but himself to enter.

>>80179896
I am sure he regretted it in the end

>>80179957
Wow what a fucking amazing observation. I definitely just didn't fucking just post "the magnitude of his own folly was revealed to him in a blinding flash" but good job b8ing me one last response.

>>80179843
Awesome idea. Just imagine Frodo and Sam finding the same door in front of Orodruin and then trying to find out how a word "friend" sounds in Black Speech

>>80180004
but the entire argument started because people said that a door would be pointless and that why would he put a door there but now you are admitting it would have worked

I really don't get why you guys are being so antagonistic

>>80180086
No you fucking worthless liar I can clearly see large numbers of people made the correct argument dozens of posts ago that Sauron never believed anyone would estroy the ring. But wow, you b8ed me again! I'm closing this thread off permanently.

>>80180086
Holy shit.

>doesn't think it can be destroyed
>makes plans to suit such thoughts

Turns out it can be destroyed, oh shit goes Sauron.

No one has said a door wouldn't fucking work, no where, except >>80178769
where it implies even a door could be written around.

The point, which retards such as yourself cannot seem to understand, and simply cannot answer without using retrospect, is why would he?

>Sauron isn't stupid but he is stupid, REEEEE
Congratulations, Doorautist, you've invented a new kind of autistic fanboyism, stay classy! And salty :3

>>80178958
I forget, were there other Maiar who fucked elves, or was Melian a unique race-mixing whore?

>>80180505
She's the only one afaik.


I am not sure, but I think I read somewhere about how possibly dragons have their origin with maias in reptile forms mating with something else, so that would be another instance of maia racemixing.
Couldn't find any while looking for it though, so possibly just fanwank or some theory with no basis.

>>80174686
wtf does that even mean

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I'm interesting in getting an old Music Man combo but I've never heard one in person and there aren't many good YouTube demos. How exactly do they compare tonally to Silverface/Blackface Fenders? All I know is everyone who has one loves them fanatically and I like a lot of records that use them.

>>80175033
>Fran & Phillipa
You hit the nail on the head here anon. These two are to blame for all the retarded shit in the movies and goes double for the Hobbit. Jackson's fault was that he was too much of a beta and allowed them free reign.

>we will never see an epic battle between legions of Men and Elves vs. dragons, trolls, numberless orcs, and Balrogs

Sucks sometimes desu.

>>80182089
Write a letter to Jackson, I'm sure he will love your idea.

>>80182277
>we see Legolas solo four different balrogs, climb onto a dragon and burn half Morgoth's army
It's called a dream for a reason, anon.

>>80175775
His buddy C.S. Lewis was the one that went crazy religious. Tolkien tried to not put too much religious stuff in, instead taking from a lot of Norse folktale and classic mythology stuff.

If you ever read Lewis though the religious symbolism is literally shoved in your face constantly. Still not bad though.

>>80176614
Nah he was a good guy in the books, just couldn't resist the ring.

>>80175321

FROM MY POINT OF VIEW TAXPAYERS ARE EVIL

>>80176935
underrated