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>>80165110
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>>80165110
Worst NuWho ep

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>>80165162
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuNuPT4PJfI

>>80165110
BRAZZERS

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>>80165110
HYPE REMINDER

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>>80165110
When will she get her own spinoff?

>>80165231
Th-they're not really going to fly, right /who/?

Will the Mondasian cybermen speak?

Pls let them speak

>>80165250
https://twitter.com/TheMasterHunt/status/839149126059233282
this guy's idea is probably right

>"the man who never would"
>he frequently does
BRAVO

reminder that we have another nigger companion with fucked up teeth and beautiful Jenna is gone

the finale will be SHEEP

>>80165397
Is finale legit gonna be defending the university from cibbers

Martha really had a good time with all those fish dudes. Underrated episode.

series 10 will be the best of nuwho

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Reminder that the cybermen did nothing wrong

>>80165358
Ah yeah this seems likely, and it's probably there to familiarize the casual viewer. That would also mean the story is 100% based around the Mondas cybermen, since there were loads of Mondas cybermen seen but hardly any New Who ones.

GOAT!

HYPE

>>80165476
The fact that they are cyberMEN automatically makes them rapists tho. Think about that logic.

>>80165478
yeah but :(((
https://twitter.com/Cook11Joseph/status/839141652300169218

>>80165358
I hope they do this with a Capaldi voiceover explaining how the cybermen evolved.

Shit this is going to be so good.

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>mondasian cybermen are returning
>tfw it ends up being asylum of the daleks tier and they just sit around in the background doing nothing

>>80165531
Fuck. Meh we might see some based Mondasians killing the shitty iron men ones instead.

>>80165531
who even is that guy
why do we trust him

>>80165561
The Iron Man ones are so fucking OP though. Even if fans prefer the originals there's no way they'd stand a chance.

>>80165560
Not gonna happen because its pretty much confirmed it's about them having a conversion factory in a hospital. What I worry about though is them only being in it for 10 minutes, being presented as weak in comparison to the Nightmare in Silver ones, and having the new ones kill them all.

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Cyberman?, I haven't heard that name in a long time.

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>>80165465

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Donna was a pretty THICC MILF in the last-two parter as well as Partners in Crime.

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>>80165110
Parkin did it better

>>80165590
Maybe the 'preserve the cyberrace' aspect of the iron men cybermen is presented as a fault, and as a consequence, they recognise the Mondas guys as 'true' cybermen, so refuse to kill them.

On the other hand, the Mondas cybermen don't regard the Iron Men as real cybermen, so they're far less reluctant to kill them.

GOAT alternate timeline cibber story

>>80165376
Eh, the only time he really "killed" someone not in defense was the Family of Blood.

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>>80165561
>>80165590
>>80165593
>>80165656
Why would the cybermen kill each other?

I just shaved all my back hair off, what classic Doctor who monster should I use the shaven hair to create a figurine off. Yeti's?

>>80165741
Morbius.

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Looks like series 10's ''hub'' is Bristol this time round. It's actually Cardiff.

>>80165741
Give some to John Barrowman

My dad works at doctor who and he said cgi peter Cushing doctor who is going to be on doctor who series 10

>>80165822
Doubtful, BBC wouldn't spend the money to bring back some obscure actor who wasn't even one of the canon Doctors. Also disney had the money to bring back the guy who played Tarkin, but the guy who played Tarkin was a well known actor.

>>80165110
This is literally a show for cuckolds.

>>80165885
The Doctor literally calls a cuck out for being a cuck in the latest episode. Get fukt faggot.

>>80165885
Only if you self insert as Mickey.

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Just....

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>>80165779
Delete this.

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Valeyard

Will there be another big reveal tonight?

>>80166276
Time will tell. It always does.

>>80166276
apparently so

>>80166276
no.

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>tfw you married your childhood hero's hot daughter

Dubs confirm trailer on Saturday/

>>80166367
>who is also your onscreen daughter

>>80166367
Celts always were into incest.

>>80166367
>you will never know that feel

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So Peter annouced season 10 will be his last as the doctor. Who do you want to be the next doctor? I vote for her.

Jenna Coleman porn lookalikes, lads?

I sexually fantazize about David sucking Peter Davidson's cock and then David travels back in time with Davidsons cum in him mouth, still hot, fresh and sticky finds a younger version of Davidsons wife and spits the cum into her vagina, and then he shouts ''ALLONS-Y'' and it turns out Tennant was like a plant carrying the seed to be fertilized by another lifeform.

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>>80166634
Shouldn't you be getting a hair transplant from your arse, Barrowman?

>>80166568
There was one posted her ages ago but I forgot her name. Basically just look for small brunettes with brown eyes.

>>80166714
>but I forgot her name

i need you to try and remember for me, anon

Screenshot this big announcement tonight.

havent been here since the 50th

how long did the Za is no leader meme last.

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>>80166568
jewel styles?

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>>80166834
Za is no leader. Now that's a thing I've not heard in a long time.

>>80166915
perfecto

>>80166970
What did you guys think of that episode? I mean, the whole cavemen plot. What was their endgame?

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>>80165110
>When the CIA/MI5 spy on you through the TV and phones but all they end up hearing about is Dr Who and how to improve it.

I talked with my dad for about 2 hours after Capaldi announced he was leaving. Someone probably monitored that.

Keeping "spying" my Whovian overlords.

>>80166834
>>80166970
But Anons, have you not read Hunters of the Burning Flame?
Za is the leader.

>>80166367
absolute legend

>>80166834
Did pikeys steal your cable?

>>80165627

She looked hot as fuck in Time Reaver

Reminder RTD ended his era with a Dalek finale and now Moffat is ending his with a Cybermen finale.

What if Mondasian Cybermen are revealed to be an evolution of Gaimanmen themselves an evolution of Cybusmen, actually the first original Cybermen? Would that be a Moffat twist?

>>80167986
>2/3 Capaldi finales have been Cybermen and Missy
>The other one was a shitty Gallifrey story

>>80168004
idk what this means
but it's probably Genesis of the Cybermen
it's something Moffat would want to do before he bows out

Anywhere I can listen to Spare Parts or The Silver Turk for free?

>>80168004
>Missy and an army of NuWho Cybermen pursue the Doctor to a distant planet drifting in space
>turns out to be Mondas and the Doctor is now inadvertently responsible for the creation of the original Cybermen

>>80168004
That would be shit because their technology is obviously less advanced.

>>80168167

The Doctor is already inadvertently responsible for the creation of the original cybermen

Tenth Doctor Adventures Volume 2 WHEN

FUCKING WHEN

Eleventh Doctor Adventures Volume 1 WHEN

FUCKING WHEN

>>80168288
Never. It was a one off

Series 9 soundtrack WHEN

FUCKING WHEN

>>80168330
>the year is 2018
>12 has just regenerated following an epic Mondas cybermen story
>Kris Marshall about to begin his first series as the Doctor
>Big Finish announce 11 and 12th Doctor adventures
>Maximum comfy

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>>80168330
>Eleventh Doctor Adventures Volume 1 is made
>It's not with Amy and Rory

>>80168091
The Big Finish app

>>80168091
Ay, Big Finish has put out the first 50 Main Range stories free on Spotify.
https://play.spotify.com/album/5P3s705CiB6qOqGhUGEKol

>>80168662
Thank you based /who/tube.

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>>80168415
>tfw it's with God Complex's Rita

>>80168332
>was a one off
>volume 1 is on the title
Nah, I don't think it'll be yearly, but they'll make some more in the future.

The world just needs more Ten/Donna banter

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>>80168961
They should add Wilf into the next one, too. Not nearly enough Wilf stories.

>>80168961
>Volume 2 is released
>it features Ten and Elton as the companion

>>80165615
Don't you mean
>Mondas?, I haven't heard that name in a long time.

>>80168415
>Classic Doctors, New Monsters is made
>None of the Doctors are with their regular companions

I want to hear Ace vinegar the fuck out of a Slitheen

You just know they'll ruin them by adding this fucking theme.

https://youtu.be/rEzEQdLH0HU

>>80169901
The Doctor didn't know that vinegar was lethal to Raxacoricofallapatorians when we first saw them on screen

>>80169901
GOAT

>>80169966
He hadn't met River until his 10th incarnation either

This is fucking important, alright?

>>80166834
Not long enough.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1mIpHEPcZo

Just started listening to The Silver Turk. I'd forgotten this crazy version of the theme existed. (I listened to Army of Death ages ago)

>>80170307
We haven't had a good theme since this one :( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVbUSkZdNkw

>>80170036
When River met earlier incarnations, they lost their memories.

Are we really gonna have a 7/Ace story where they fight the Slitheen family.. then forget it all?

>>80170515
the thing is when you watch that sequence, the doctor knows he the slithhen are and how to defeat them, he just cant remember

https://twitter.com/GirlyLetters/status/839203913689628676
Filming from a roof now

you know what Doctor Who needs?

A companion who is less...reactive.

The next companion should be some guy who sneaks onto the TARDIS and kidnaps The Doctor.

>>80170966
Is Girly Letters actually a girl? And if so, does she have big tits?

>>80171021
Shes 50 with 2 kids, a moff look a like husband and cabages

>>80171101
So she's desperate for my cock then?

>>80170989
Maybe not go that far, but definitely somebody who's less of a literal companion. Somebody who actually seeks out and get into trouble instead of just following The Doctor or accidentally stumbling upon shenanigans.

Jack could have been like that.

>>80171624
Actually...

The next companion should be some magnificent asshole who managed to steal The Doctor's identity. ...and then convinces The Doctor that he's actually a future regeneration.

>>80165397
what does SHEEP stand for again? I remember keking

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>>80171979

>>80172033
That's a /who/-exclusive term or a board-wide one?

Dubs and Capaldi dies of sudden heart failure the day they announce the next Doctor.

>>80172106
It's a spicy /who/ exclusive.

>>80171695
It would be better if at some point (for a short while) he lost his memory and really believed he was the doctor.

Dubs and Capaldi's twinflame child plays the first female Doctor in thirty years

>>80172377
>and
That just strings two statements together, dubs confirm nothing.

>>80172377

my nigga

>>80172377
THE TWINFLAMES HAVE SPOKEN

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmD3wJ3s9D0

best version of the theme coming through

https://twitter.com/Pearlie_mack/status/839235668790423556

Matt Lucas is absolutely BASED.

>>80173519
>forgetting War Doctor

John Hurt BTFO

>>80173429
It actually is the best NuWho version.

Hi.

I've just finished watching 'The Shakespeare Code' on a 58 hour caffeine-and-crack sustained loop, without sleep. In fact, I didn't even blink. I held my eyes open with toothpicks the entire time.

It's a really good story and I'd really recommend it.

Great episode. 10/10.

>>80173626

Doctor no more.

>>80166915
hnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnngggggg

>>80173519
Fucker made me chuckle. Is something wrong with me?

>>80173519

I really like he didn't count the War Doctor, he messes up the numbering because he wasn't in real-life between 8 and 9, so there's nowhere logical to list him, because he came up during 11s run. Plus his whole premise is not really being a doctor. Mad respect for not listing him.

Just finished 'Closing Time' for the first time and really enjoyed it. I watched it at x10 speed in a spinning room full of neon lights whilst being repeatedly thrashed across the head with a copy of 'I Am A Dalek' by a man in Tritovore cosplay. I vomited a few times and hallucinated a giant cactus talking, but I think Craig's baby was a really well written character and the Cybermen were really good. Also great to see the Cybermats back.

>>80173519
I found this very unfunny.

>>80174184
Then you are proof.

That emotions destroy you.

>>80173896
The War Doctor is the Doctor. But he isn't. But he is.

based nardole is going to get CYBERED in episode in 12 lads

>>80174304
Yeah but when will he be unCybered? Christmas?

>>80174221

He is, quite literally, the "doctor no more". He's not the Doctor. That's why the BF audios suck so much, they play him just like a more emo late-era 8 without any of the whimsy. Not like an actual warrior.

inb4 durr that was the point of the 50th - the audios are BEFORE that

https://twitter.com/TheMasterHunt/status/839238268826828804

>Mondasian cybermen are only a cameo

Fucking dropped. Fuck Moffat. Fuck Doctor Who. Fuck.

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>>80174626

Literally just one guy's guess. Calm down.

>>80174480
>they play him just like a more emo late-era 8
Yeah, when he breaks from Dark 8, it's not a "reminder that Tigger 8" scene, it's a "reminder that Mopey 10" scene instead, and who needs that?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8qS6FO6v1c

Is it true that Gareth coined the term anticipointment?

>>80174480
>That's why the BF audios suck so much
Honestly, I don't see how you could do a story about the Time War that didn't suck.

Unless it's like Dead Romance, where the characters have even less idea what the fuck is going on than we do, the War is going to be a letdown.

>>80175067
Yep - pretty sure it's in The Writer's Tale.

>>80175067
There are cites going back to the 1960s in the US ad business, and back to the 1970s in mainstream media.

>>80175182
Seriously, nobody on /who/ had a shop of Gareth replacing Jon Hamm in Madmen ready to respond to that? Is this /who/?

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Are the blu-rays any good?


besides the GOAT covers

>>80175069

It would just have to be intentionally surreal. Shearman could pull it off. Apart from that, stories that are just ancilliary to it (like Mary's Story) are the way to go. I agree that an actual Time War series is near impossible to get right. Any typical episode just ruins the whole conceit. It all would have to be surreal and high-concept.

>>80175519
Apparently the transfer's are pretty shite. I just got the DVD's instead, with the same covers. I've pre ordered the steelbook though.

>>80175519
They look better than the DVD's but they're very slightly slowed down to 24fps which can be annoying for some.

Where to start with Sixth Doctor audios?

>>80175526
Going surreal works, but it has to be not as surreal for the Doctor as for us (and for any companions), and it's hard to sustain that. Shearman could pull it off once, maybe Simon Bucher-Jones (if he can get the hang of audios) or Lance Parkin… but I can't think of anyone who could do it repeatedly.

Alternatively, you could do the good parts of The Ancestor Cell without the crap parts—don't even show how they're fighting, but show the effects of history changing all around them. But again, that doesn't seem to be sustainable for multiple stories.

>>80175835
Start with Marian Conspiracy, then follow the whole original Six/Evelyn saga from there.

>>80175069
The main things you need to portray the complexity of a Time War are a rich imagination and a vast knowledge of sci-fi. Very few Doctor Who writers have that.
I'd say the only non-Miles Doctor Who story set during a Time War which manages to pull it off is The Taking of Planet 5.

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>>80175381
THIS IS /WHO/!

>>80174626
Who knows how much studio recording is left. If it is a cameo, Moffat can go die.

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They look nice.

>>80176100
Real nice, it'll go down as the finest cameo appearance in all Who, better than the Special Weapons Dalek in Asylum, we may even get a full minute of screen time this time around

Moff really knows how to please the fans

>>80175920
Yeah, that's exactly why I suggested Bucher-Jones. Stealing all the ridiculous time travel bits out of Lovecraft was genius.

Although actually, something that might work is sort of an anthology of sidesteps. A whole season where the Daleks, realizing the Doctor is the biggest threat, keep finding ways to shunt him into alternate timelines where the War isn't happening, and even after he realizes what they keep doing by the second episode, he still has to deal with winning The Infinity Doctors or whatever before he can reset himself back to the main timeline. And then, at the end, he finally gets to confront the group of Daleks with their Chronovore or whatever.

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Saucy.

The 13th Doctor has been cast.

>>80176417
The 13th Doctor is cats.

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>>80176417
>It's Roger Moore

fucking based

When do they start auditions for the next Doctor?

>>80176491
It's been cast.

Two (reliable) members of GB have been text by reliable sources that 'the ink is dry' and 'you'll be pleased'.

Make of that what you will!

>>80176491
They're over. I've already been cast.

>>80176544
Back to bed, Paul.

>>80176530
What kind of Doctor would please Gallifrey Base?

>>80176491
>Typical /who/vian walks in on audition day
"H-Hello, my name is Anon Anonburg, and I'm here to audition for the part of.. the Doctor."
>All right, show us what you got.
"Right then. *dashes* I'm the Doctor b-by the way. *waves Epipen, mimicking a sonic screwdriver* By the way I'm not gonna take the part if you don't bring Gareth Roberts back.
>..We don't really think that you've quite got the.. look.. that we're seeking. But we have got a few openings for the Slitheen — we need fat people, you see, because in the lore—
"I know how the lore works. I'll take it if the companion isn't a nigger."

>>80176604
Well, monkeybeard the source isn't as much of a cuck as the majority of Gallifrey Base, but one of his/her favourites is Vicky McClure. I think they also like Kris Marshall. Not sure who else they said they'd be excited about though.

>>80176530
How hype are you guys for the Thirteenth Doctor?

>people on GB are saying he's VNA level dark
>eviscerated corpses
>spider like creatures
>13 gives Clara a "shock of her life"
>'Is the man she's trusted so long really a hero after all? Is he even her friend?'
> "This might be where you can argue that the new approach is, for the first time, seen uncluttered by any of the old approach."
>terrible dilemma
>Moffat said the ending scene in Nando's is his favorite scene in the Series
>Moffat said in DWM that Chibnall (writer of Thirteen) was going to stick around 'for a long time, I promise you' implying the Thirteen is GOAT
>Thirteen insults tumblr

Its going to be GOATER than GOAT.

>>80176642
XD epic dude!

>>80175519
I have them all, they are slow asf. Series 1-5 look grainy as hell.

>>80174626
They aren't just cameo they have been seen on multiple locations. This is just some idiot panicking.

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>>80176591
How did you know?

Pearl Mackies smile has to become a meme now like Martha's crooked teeth, her smile is so awkward, her eyes open like a lemurs.

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>a woman attempting to deliver Capaldi's war speech, or Matt's Akhaten speech

>>80176411
Great scene

>>80177087
SO C'MON THEN MILK MY TITS MILK THEM ALL BABAAAYY

>>80177087
Troughton attempting to deliver any of Tennant's big emotional speeches, or Davison just about anything Capaldi ever said

It's Kris Marshall lads.

>>80177170
>he's forced to compare actors from the fucking 60s and 80s to actors of today

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Is there *any* possibility the next Doctor won't be a big downgrade?

>>80177259
>he's such a pleb he doesn't think Classic Who counts as Doctor Who, and doesn't realize that the Doctors are all different actors

>>80177286
Capaldi was already the downgrade.

Compared to Matt Smiths run, Peter Capaldi's still feels brand new. Soon to be 3 years and it hasn't felt like that at all.

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>>80177320
It's true. All of it.

>>80177320
As an Eleven fan, I think you're incorrect.

>>80177320
From Eccleston, sure.

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>>80177286
Just one

>>80177333
Right? Why is that?

I became a Doctor Who fan the summer before The Doctor, the Widow, and the Wardrobe aired. Then there was that long wait until August for series 7A to begin.

I guess I was just younger and it felt like more of a new experience, so maybe it felt like Matt with the bowties and the green screwdriver and the Tumblr era just lasted so much longer, for whatever weird mental reason.

Capaldi showed up in my freshman year of high school. Here I am about to graduate and it's felt like no real time at all.

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See this scene from the teaser trailer? Nardole and Bill seem terrified of the Doctor when he's saying ''I will save all your lives and you'll be left wondering who I was'' the crew must have done something horrific he seems pissed.

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>>80177143
>SO C'MON THEN MILK MY TITS MILK THEM ALL BABAAAYY

>>80177333
Well, he's only had 2 seasons (plus a Christmas special) in those 3 years.

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Reminder.

>>80177622
Betting opened again on most sites by yesterday, and Marshall's odds have gone longer since then, while Coleman's have gone shorter.

>>80177621
He's had 2 seasons
and 3 Christmas episodes.
plus the upcoming 10th series
So if this years xmas is a two parter he'll have had 41 episodes.

>>80177657
More importantly, the only time betting was suspended for 11, it was for Paterson Joseph, not Matt Smith. And it was suspended three times for 12, and Capaldi was only the last of the three.

>>80177680
Yes, and in a few months, after we've had 40 episodes instead of 28, it probably won't feel nearly as new and short as it does today.

have any of you seen david tennant as scrooge mcduck?
he's too aggressive and not gentle enough

>>80177733
Seeing him with someone besides Clara might also make a big difference. Tennant went through three major TARDIS crews, Smith had two, Capaldi's only had one so far. Once he's had Nardole and Bill for a season, it'll probably feel more complete.

>>80177823
He doesn't sound that bad here. There's only a few lines, but they're all pretty varied—he's aggressive in one, but casual in another, excited in another, etc.

Huey, Louie, and Dewey sound all wrong, though. Also, it seems like it's aimed at Euro fans who think Donald Duck is the greatest comic book hero ever, not at American kids.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-LNgU4e1rE

https://youtu.be/BGpLSJe_iY8

>>80178159
The kids just sound like adults talking in their normal voices rather than any attempt at putting on a childlike voice. Similar to dipper and mabel I guess, maybe it's the latest meme for shows to do that so the young kid characters can be "cooler" or something

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>post yfw McGann is Thirteen

https://twitter.com/Outpost_Skaro/status/839124535005876225

https://youtu.be/D__284xxe6U

>>80178388
For me as a kid, that would have made them less cool. Imagine if Yakko, Wakko, and Dot sounded just like the grownups around them; who'd be interested?

But I guess today's kids grow up on totally different shows than I did, so maybe this really is what sounds cool to them.

Still, there's no way these three voices can pull off the barbershop-trio introduction Huey, Louie, and Dewey used to do all the time, so as far as I'm concerned, they fail. (Good thing I'm not the target demo…)

>>80178585
How much you want to bet that when Frazer's parents conceived him, his mum was fantasizing about Frazer Hines?

>>80178290
Nice trailer

Anyone working on any fanfiction?

>>80178835
SHORT TRIPS 2 WHEN?

>>80179087
SHORT TRIPS 2 WHEN?
Wasn't it somewhere around 1999?

>>80179087
Shit Trips 2? Do y'all want to start sending in entries now?

The only reason I haven't done it is because I'm not sure how much time I'll have to run it.

>>80179191
That anon means Shit Trips.

Is now a good time to start collecting new entries?

>>80178421
>tfw there will never be a toy of Eight's later screwdriver

>>80179228
yeah why not? you could have a deadline of say, may? idk

>>80179267
May?

Another worry I had was that the new series would overshadow Shit Trips 2. People might be too busy watching to write, and even worse, other people might get annoyed by discussion of fanfiction during "on-season" time.

So, here's this: how many people want to start Shit Trips 2.

>>80178835
There needs to be more /who/ fanfic on the wiki

>>80179410
How much is on there? Besides the Shit Trips anthology, I mean.

You do know about Shit Trips, right?

>>80177578
It looks like we'll have a real more-or-less 2 person crew in the TARDIS. That's pretty cool.

>>80179376
Might also be good to wait til after S10's aired so people can have some idea what Bill's like to write

>>80179679
We just had a 2 person crew for about 2 seasons with Amy & Rory.

I'm a lot more excited that we have a regular companion who isn't from present-day England, but I really wish we could get a year where no companion is…

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Wake up, /who/.

>>80179764
If we had started this beforehand, we could have had Shit Trips 2 be different anon's ideas of what Series 10 would look like.

>>80179764
It would be pretty funny to do it while all anyone knows is "I serve chips!"

>>80179844
Yeah but as you pointed out, Amy and Rory were husband and wife. Bill and Nardole are strangers from different cultures.

>>80179883
We do already have a story where Bill shows up in the first Shit Trips. "The Hybrid", which was pretty good.

The only thing is, I'm not sure I'll have the time to run Shit Trips 2 by the time Series 10 ends.

>>80179883
Another idea I just thought of--have everyone write what they think the 14th Doctor will be like.

>>80180085
>Bill and Nardole are strangers from different cultures.
And hopefully they'll make more use of that than with Turlough, Adric, or Nyssa. Jack and Rose were a little better, and given the way Lucas is talking, I'm hopeful… but still a bit worried.

>>80180248
Good idea. Or maybe just generally "invent a new Doctor, don't worry about where (s)he fits in (unless it's important to your story)"?

>>80180330
It go alongs with the idea I remember people mentioning from the creation of the first Shit Trips, where someone mentioned the second could focus on alternate Doctors.

How about it? Shit Trips 2: The (Even More) Non-canon Doctors Edition?

>>80180297
Nardole and Bill have different personalities from what little we've seen (Nardole is snarky/very cuddly/calm, and Bill's got what the kids these days call moxie.) This could be good, folks.

QUICK
Tell me, in your own words, why series 8 and 9 were bad WITHOUT saying "Clara", "bad writing" (without explaining what you mean by this), or mentioning one of the maligned episodes i.e. "Hell Bent", "Kill the Moon", or "In the Forest of the Night".

>>80180555
Series 8 was bad because it wasn't series 9, because it didn't have "Heaven Sent".

Do I get half a point?

>>80180532
Yeah, very different personalities is a good start, but they could do that without being from different cultures. Amy and Rory were pretty different people, or Donna and Martha.

Nardole being from a future colony could add more than that, and I'm cautiously optimistic that it might.

>>80180624
Series 5 was bad because it wasn't series 9, because it didn't have "Heaven Sent"

>>80180701
Yeah, it works for almost any season of Classic or NuWho, doesn't it.

>>80180736
Well "Heaven Sent" is the only good episode of Doctor Who so...

>>80180555
>implying hell bent was bad

>>80180793
Series 9 was bad because it wasn't the Benny novels, because it didn't have "Dead Romance".

>>80180809
It's been memed to death that it's "the worst episode of all time" throughout fan circles, though.

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PEOPLE WHO SAY HELL BENT IS THE LOWEST NUWHO MOMENT WILL SAY THIS IS ONE OF ITS HIGHEST

>>80180896
I like how people complain about the "Clara Show" when RTD Era was literally the Rose Show for 4 seasons.

>>80180937
Because those same people will say Wose is /theirgirl/

I wish Moffat and RTD were my two gay dads.

>>80180937
Yes, they're complaining that it's the Clara Show because it's supposed to still be the Rose Show. Anything that isn't two years of the Doctor moping over Rose and then undoing her ending with an even worse ending and repeating that all over again is obviously not Doctor Who.

>>80181015
True fans know that the only reason the First Doctor left Gallifrey was so that he could spend a few millennia accidentally starting a Time War so that he'd have an excuse to meet his true destiny, Rose Tyler.

>>80180896
Wrong. Both are shit.

>>80180555
I like Series 8 and 9. But if I was gonna tacle this, I'd sa, for Series 9:

"Lack of a focus on a thematic arc. Series 8 had a theme of Clara's* hubris, and how she needed to balance her companion life with her life with Danny; and even the episodes that people disliked, often served to carry that arc.

Series 9 didn't have as strong a thematic arc. There is the "Me" arc, but it doesn't truly seem like an arc until the very end. There is the "Hybrid" arc, but that also wasn't an arc. The episodes are often standalone, and each villain has some thematic parallel to the season (even Sleep No More, the overall most maligned ep, importantly shows that sometimes the Doctor screws up, and doesn't even know it), but it's just not as strong as Series 8's theme of "Doctor and Clara figure out themselves, and their relationship". Because of that, it's harder to defend Series 9's wonkier eps, whereas for Series 8, even the maligned eps have a very clear effect on Clara and 12's relationship, and I can relate each ep to the Series 8 arc. Yes, even the "maybe kids should be allowed to burn in a solar flare, so they can die with family" scene.

Also, Series 9's first ep has 12 acting wildly out of character, and convinced he's gonna die for reasons I still can't explain. I like Magician's Apprentice, but I can't explain why 12 thought he was gonna die

*I'm not mentioning Clara as a reason why Series 9 is bad, so I'm within the rules."

P.S.: Hell Bent is rather liked. Sleep No More, or even Woman Who Lived, would be a better "Series 9 maligned" ep.

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When I get into arguments in YouTube comment sections mostly for fun, they almost always fall back on "Russel's writing was superior".
Was this better than anything Moffat's written?

>>80181072
I'm tempted to write this as a serious fic. And somehow link it to the "Susan's real name, Arkytior, means rose in Gallifreyan" fact.

>>80181226
>Was this better than anything Moffat's written?
That scene wasn't even better than anything Pip & Jane Baker have written.

>>80181281
I've just realized, my entire life—it's all been about my severed hand fucking my granddaughter! Of course!

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>>80181341
Well, he did say he would come back one day...

>>80181341
Although I suppose if you wanted to be a bit more serious than that, you'd probably end it when the Moment turns out to be Rose even though War hasn't met her.

To be fair, the whole "Moffat OUT!" movement didn't really gain momentum until Asylum of the Daleks. It somewhat formed after Let's Kill Hitler, but it was late 2012/early 2013 when fans were calling for his head.
I expect Chinballs will be hailed as a Messiah until his first dud, and fans will be wishing Moffat was back.

>>80181420
>During all the years I've been taking care of you, you in return have been taking care of me. You are still my grandchild and always will be. But now, you're a woman too. I want you to belong somewhere, to have roots of your own. With David you will be able to find those roots and learn how to sex a man up like any woman should do. Believe me, my dear, your future lies with David and not with a silly old buffer like me. One day, I shall come back. Yes, I shall come back. Well, my severed hand will. Until then, there must be no regrets, no tears, no anxieties. Just go forward in all your beliefs and prove to me that I am not mistaken in mine. Goodbye, Susan. Goodbye, my dear.

>>80181524
>Doctor abandons his granddaughter in a wasteland with some guy she only knew for a few days
>Audios show that her life doesn't get any better, having to watch her husband and her son die, and has to scavenge in the remains of Coal Hill to survive

What the fuck, Doc?

>>80181463
A lot of people will hate Chibs before he's even written anything. After his first good episode, some of them will change their minds, some will still hate him.

A lot of people will love Chibs before he's even written anything. After his first dud, some of them will change their minds, some will still hate Moffat.

That's fandom.

>>80181635
>That's fandom.
That's Gareth.

>>80181226
>everyone around the world thinking "the doctor" somehow ages him back to normal, lets him fly, gives him telekinesis, and a force field
that has to be the dumbest moment on doctor who ever. none of it makes any sense.

>>80181786
Um it was back when Doctor Who was GOOD. Moffat's just run it into the ground...!

>>80181463
The thing is, Moffat's faults (puzzle-writing, an aversion to logically paying off, instead preferring to give a payoff that makes emotional sense, although it may not be what fans wanted or expected), and Russell's faults (being a little shmaltzy; giving fans exactly what they want, perhaps being fan-pandery, while still giving a pretty good product; and knowing how to advertise the HELL out of a product, and drum up anticipation, which doesn't necessarily have anything to do with execution) are very different. You can easily like one, while hating the other.

For Chibs Who, I'd look into his original plans for Power of Three. We might get some high-concept Who out of him.

>>80181633
>What the fuck, Doc?
Obviously, he was expecting the future from Whatever Happened to Susan Foreman, not the one from the Big Finish audios or the one from the EDAs. Once she got bored of David she just time-cubed her godparents back on Gallifrey and they gave her a lift back to the 1960s, where she eventually became an EU commissioner and lived reasonably happily ever after.

>>80181853
>you changed the future so much through saving people across the galaxies, that your granddaughter's life when from 100 to 0 real quick

>>80181012
But Moffat isn't gay.

Now, Good ol' Gareth...

>>80180896
>both companion fanwanks that are over emotional

Yeah no, both are shit

>>80182654
I think Hell Bent was good.

>>80182914
Good on ya m9, I thought it was pretty shit with just the 10/10 acting to save it.

>>80181818
>For Chibs Who, I'd look into his original plans for Power of Three. We might get some high-concept Who out of him.
Before Moffat took over, he talked about how Doctor Who should do something with the fact that it's a show about time travel, and he had all kinds of great ideas for ways to do that. It turns out, he only had two great ideas for ways to do that. Because he's not a high-concept sci-fi writer. And neither is Chibs.

And that's fine. In fact, I think a high-concept sci-fi writer as sole showrunner would be a disaster.

>>80182914
You also think Class was good

>>80182654
Yet Rose's is corny, cringey, pretty fucked up when you think about it, and has that over-emotional loud music accompanying it.

>>80183468
it was tho
are you a homophobe?

>>80183577
Also Capaldi pulls off emotion better than Tennant hamming it the fuck up.

>>80183607
No
Yes

>>80183607
Here's a quote from a friend of mine about Class:

>The Polish kid's pretty hot. But I can find porn with hotter Polish guys, and most of it has better plots too.

You think he hates it because he's homophobic?

>>80183577
Rose had a pretty good ending.

And then series 4 happened, unfortunately.

>>80184013
I haven't watched any Polish porn, but I'm pretty certain they don't have better plots than Nightvisiting, or Detained.

>>80183468
Kek

>>80184425
>I haven't watched any Polish porn
Get a load of this pleb.

>>80184552
Oh, are you an expert in Polish porn or something?

Speaking of things that suck, how did "Something Inside" ever get made? I mean, most of the early BF stuff that doesn't work, I can at least see what they were going for. But this one?

Trevor Baxendale calls you up and says, "You know how Alien 3 is the best movie in the series? Plus, the thing I really miss from the EDA books was the way the Doctor kept getting amnesia, right? So, I was watching The Cube, and I realized that would be a great movie if you just took out the visuals. And the mystery. Also, we should make C'rizz psychic out of nowhere. And… well, maybe I can find a plot to tie all of that together, but if not, I can definitely throw in a 'sorry, Charley' pun."

Why did Barnes and Briggs say "Yes" instead of "Go to sleep and tell me if you still think that's a good idea tomorrow"?

>hype up the Mondas cybermen
>Go to watch 10th Planet
>Doctor barely has any lines and barely participates in the story besides "YOU WILL NOT DO THAT MY YOUNG FELLOW" or some variation of the sort
>Companions are pretty meh
>Doctor fucking gives up by the third episode and collapses

Is this the superior classic who I've heard so much about? I mean, I am enjoying the tension with the general guy, but goddamn. What a shitfest.

>>80184597
That's the price of experimentation. Sometimes you get messes.

>>80184425
Nightvisiting?

Detained was pretty decent, and Metaphysical Engine, and parts of episode 1. But the rest of the series… at best it's Buffy without the point, or the humour.

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>mfw wondering if polish porn illustrates polish stereotypes.

>>80184668
There are plenty of valiant but failed experiments in Big Finish's early years, but this one doesn't seem like an experiment so much as just taking a lot of derivative ideas stolen from sources that aren't even very good and tossing them all in a blender. I'm glad I missed this one when it first came out. I'm not sure why I'm still listening to it now.

>>80184656
The reason Hartnell was replaced was because he was becoming too sick to play the part, so he does kind of go out with a wimper. And yeah, Ben and Polly are pretty generic.

>>80184690
The third episode. I liked how it showed how there's no shortcut when dealing with grief. And that it's alright to feel anger, even as part of mourning. There's no easy way out of closure.

All through the lens of vine-things.

>>80184701
What are Polish stereotypes?

Also, hello Cloister!

>>80184656
>YOU WILL NOT DO THAT MY YOUNG FELLOW

That is the most "First Doctor"ish line ever..

>>80184701
You know different countries have different stereotypes about Poles?

Recently, in western Europe, the "they took our jobs" thing has displaced most of the older stereotypes, but they're still around. To Germans they're drunken religious fanatics. To Brits they're robots who never smile.

Meanwhile, Americans think of Poles as big and really stupid, while to Russians they're little sneaky thieves.

>>80184656
I've never heard anybody talk about Tenth Planet like it was a good story. Anytime it comes up for discussion is usually people hyping up the early Cybermen or Hartnell's departure, not the actual writing itself.

>>80184597
It came out in the middle of 2006, so I guess it was Gary Russell approving whatever was put in front of him before handing the job to Briggs.

Doctor who is entirely too cinematic now, two many long shots, too many shadows, too much movie shit, it truly was better when it was cardboard cutouts and styrofoam because atleast then you focused on the story and not flashy graphics

>>80185006
Okay, Bill Baggs.

>>80184816
basically them being dumb. Like there were "pollack" jokes when I was a kid...Like hitler marching his troops in backwards to make them think they were leaving...
There's a famous story, called coincidentally "Schlemihl goes to warsaw" in which the title character is polish, and stupid, leaves his home town for warsaw getting tired along the way taking a nap, carefully pointing his shoes in the direction he was walking as not to forget; a prankster comes along and turns them around, he wakes up heads in the direction of the turned shoes(towards from which he came;home) and concludes that instead of home he's infact in warsaw and everyone there. his friends and family, are just the warsaw version and the warsaw version of himself must be with his actual family.
I should mention that in some yiddish circles shlemihl is synonymous with idiot, however it's more accepted definition is someone with bad luck or fortune.
Also, pic related is a polish calculator.
I was imagining polish porn involving attempted penetration of belly buttons or something.

>>80184943
>I've never heard anybody talk about Tenth Planet like it was a good story.
Phil Sandifer manages to credibly make it sound like a good story on Tardis Eruditorum but I'm not sure he really buys it.

>>80184922
Huh, had no idea. The more you know...That's interesting, racial stereotypes aren't necessarily universal.
>>80184816
Oh, and hello immigrant!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MPDRsxHxQc

Kek, this is a funny interview Capaldi equally loved dogs and cats and he knows what trolling is.

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>>80185137
forgot my pic, i'm clearly stupider than any polish stereotype

>>80185137
Huh, never knew that.

>>80185178
How are you and Belle?

>>80185188
who's that girl sitting next to capaldi?

>>80185151
On paper, Tenth Planet sounds like a cool idea. The Doctor has to face off against aliens who've shed their prior personality in order to survive. And in the end, the Doctor has to do just that, but without getting rid of his emotions.

>>80185265
Its one of those things you dont hear anymore. I had to really think about whether or not it was actually a thing. Today is really a completely different world, better.
We're well! she should be along shortly. She's out getting my birthday cake and what not for tomorrow. Pineapple upside down cake. I'm pretty excited.

It's actually kind of frustrating that we can't at least get a minisode showing Simm to Gomez regeneration.

>>80185178
I don't have the links, but there's a website that has a serious list of these things, with links to scholarly articles, and another one that has a silly little matrix where you can read off the stereotype each country has about each other country.

Apparently the earliest American stereotype about Polish immigrants was that they were stubborn and secretive; the "Poles are stupid" thing came from German/Prussian Jews stereotyping Polish Jews as stupid.

Which explains why that joke above has "Schlemiel" in it.

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>>80185602
As interesting as that sounds I'm not sure I want to go down that rabbit hole. It's kind of thing should be a relic of history despite how humorous some of them might be. Some stereotypes/jokes are just so absurd they're funny, though that's probably just the autism flaring up.

www.scificruise.com/
Have you booked your ticket yet /who/?
You do want to meet McGann and McCoy don't you?

>>80185755
It's interesting to me where this stuff comes from, and it helps you realize that really they're all completely absurd, not just the ones that are obviously so. After trading Polish jokes with an American (Poles are dumb meatheads) and a Slovakian (Poles are snooty intellectuals), it's pretty hard to take any Polish joke seriously.

>>80186118
I hope they make another one of those cheap weird fanfilms.

https://youtu.be/JBCx6x5YaQg

>>80186164
One of the few episodes of Doctor Who with real live animals.

>>80186164
>>80186503
>Sci-Fi Cruise episodes don't have their own Ostentatious Obscurity page on DoctorWhoGeneral

>>80186164
GOAT

>>80186126
It's easy in Austria. Doesn't matter what country (except Germany), it's the same stereotype: Fucking Poles/Russians/French/Americans/Chinese/Penguins/Time Lords, they don't appreciate Falco and they're all car thieves.

>>80186684
Be the change you want.

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>>80185137
Interesting.