The Hobbit trilogy

>>80122446
They made it into a trilogy.

>>80122458
Would it have worked as 2 movies though?

>3 films
>rushed production
>Go Pro footage
>terrible CGI up the ass
>even the orcs were CGI

>>80122446
Lord of the Rings was done because they loved it, Hobbit was done because suits wanted it.

>>80122482
Yes.

End the movie at the gollum scene, start the second at the spider forest.

>>80122446
It has been pretty well documented what went wrong, anon. Just google it.

Just make it a movie or 2

Why the fuck people eat these shits up

The same curse as the Star Wars prequels. Because of the success of the first films, the director gets too big for his boots rather than respecting the source material because 'what could go wrong', was probably surrounded by Yes-men and probably financed by media companies to incorporate their newest stupid technology and pushed by the studio to make a cash-cow.

Pretty sure they needed more time at the end of producing the the 2nd movie so they made it 3.

Don't blame the production company or Jackson who was making the best of a bad situation. it was clearly being rushed out by execs so they could keep their jobs.

>>80122524
That'd skip Beorn and the Eagles though, I believe when it was 2 films it was going to end after the barrel part.

Would've been a clusterfucked film when you think about it

>>80122578
Whilst it's easy as fuck to blame Jackson and put him on the same level as Lucas, the problem goes back to Warner Bros.

The only franchise they have left that they haven't entirely fucked up is Harry Potter, and that's cause they don't want to piss off Rowling

>>80122769
It wasn't Warner Brothers that came up with the idea of filming in 48FPS.

>>80122446
Shitty filler scenes to justify a trilogy
too much CGI

>>80122810
It was WB that fucked up the entire film production though.

Who knows why Jackson wanted 48 FPS, maybe something to keep Weta in the front line for the next couple of years.

>>80122769
The barrel part was stupid, it could've just been a neat way to escape the elves and transition to laketown but they had to go too fat and have the fat fuck dwarf stick his arms out and kill everyone.

>>80122853
Know this is a retarded thing to say, but it's much better in the book. It's just them in barrels no floating elves bs. Could've been a nice ending point for the first film if they stuck with that

>>80122446
Everything. Anyone that excuses Jackson for these films is an idiot. A lack of prep time is not an excuse for filling the movies with various cancers like 48 FPS, 'bloom' effects, terrible pointless characters, endless CGI.

>>80122853
And then Fili had to be shot by a morgul arrow so we can have a aye kings foil tis a weed scene.

>>80122897
Lack of prep time does excuse the endless CGI

>>80122931
Fuck don't remind me

>>80122446
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQkygZdZ_Vk&ab_channel=Joshalots

>>80122446

The official excuse is that Jackson had to abruptly take over after Del'taco left and didn't get enough time to prepare before filming and in the middle of it all he were told to stretch everything into a trilogy instead of 2 parter.

>>80122973
No. This shit was beginning to happen in RotK. With King Kong he went full CGI. The Hobbit was just a continuation of that.

>>80122446
> Del Toro left
> The Hobbit trilogy got fucked
> Tintin sequel will now never get made

>>80123147
Part of why Del Toro left is he couldn't manage with the time available and Del Toro does a lot of prosthetics work. Jackson worked very fast with LoTR but only because he'd had time to plan it out and they literally booked weta and half of new zealand to work on the films for 4 years. Jackson had none of that time and a half developed plot, I suspect characters like Azog and the goblin King were Del Toro designs.

>>80123271
>I suspect characters like Azog and the goblin King were Del Toro designs.

Wow, that would've been interesting..

Is nobody going to mention the love triangle? Wtf was that...

>>80123346

I really don't want to think about it.

Someone post the webm
you know the one

>>80123303
yeah in the pre-production blogs and some pre-jackson leaks Azog appeared to have been a Del Toro concept, can imagine the trolls and goblins were also. Jackson actually had the least time for the first film and it was teh only one that had detailed concepts from Toros pre production.

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>>80123414

Jackson spend years developing LOTR. For The Hobbit he had to step in at the last minute and had no idea what to do, so it turned to be a huge mess.

t. knower

go north
find the dunedain
there's a young ranger among them ......
you should meet him...
in the wild he is known as ... "Strider" ;-)
his father: "Arathorn" ;-) was a good friend, his son could grow to be a great one ...
But his true name ...
You must discover for yourself :^)

Legolas, your mother loved you

>>80122446
>Every LOTR is one book one movie
>The hobbit (smaller book) is 3 movies
They could have done the 4 hour extended edition like LOTR it wouldn't have been that hard

>>80123450
It's hard to watch him trying to take this seriously. Do you ever watch movies and become overwhelmed with pity for the whores that sold their likeness to these shambles?

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>>80123450
Those guys always crack me up.

>>80122578
except that lucas is the source material himself. hobbit films are much worse than the prequels, the prequels are more comparable to lotr trilogy, disney's trilogy will be more like the hobbit

Just download the Maple Films fanedit and call it a day. Much tighter and removes a lot of the extra nonsense.

>>80123574
Beat me to it. There's always scenes that some people would have kept or cut but overall it's a great edit, making the Trilogy shitfest a solid 8/10 4 hour movie. Loved the intermission at the 2 hour mark.

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>>80122489
>Go Pro footage
what?

>hey peter welcome back, thanks for helping out after geltaco left!
>no problem
>great, you have 6 months
>good luck!

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>>80123623
Several shots of the barrel chase were done with GoPro

>>80123623
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nM7byUTrSZA

>>80123523
>Lucas is the source material itself

I LOVE this meme. Lucas is a hack fraud who stood on the shoulders of more talented people and had very little to do with the success of the original trilogy.

the prequels are bad. TFA may have been derivative, but at least it was competently made, which the prequels sure as fuck weren't.

>>80123643
Is Jackson saying "good luck"?

>>80123478
>Every LOTR is one book one movie
Actually, each book is two books.

>>80123687
if you cant keep up, dont bother anon

>>80123714
sorry

>>80123668
>>80123671
Jesus I don't remember it being this bad. Feels like I'm also watching the same sequence again and again as well.

>>80123671
Kek, the fan edit cuts that shit out.

>Dwarf gets hit in leg with arrow
>orc gets shot
>thanks elf friend
>no forced female elf
>dwarf slides off ledge into barrel
>dwarves ride current out of a shitty scene

So how long was this before the war of the ring?

>>80123432
Interesting, some of those designs I don't like because they don't really fit in and would've looked 10x better as practical; eg Goblin King, Azog.

Would've been interesting to see 2 films embrace that aesthetic

>>80123852
60 years before Fellowship from memory

>>80122446
Shitty production troubles.

At least there's some GOAT acting

>>80123887
Nevermind, my plothole doesn't work then.

>>80123855
They don't fit in with Tolkien no, the goblins for one have shitty weapons and armour unlike in LoTR when they are obviously well organised, good craftsmen and wear armour in the book. So I doubt even Del Toro's vision would've been particularly good, but at least it would've made the evil forces more varaible.

>>80123949
What plothole?

>>80123704
Are you sure? I own the books and there's 3 of them unless they sold them as the two books in 1

>>80124041
They did sell them as two books in one. You can also get them all together in one big tome.

>>80124073
>one big tome
Best of the best, other editions need not apply.

>>80124073
>>80124125
LoTR isn't a trilogy, it's one book with three parts.

Download the fan edit

http://www.maple-films.com/downloads.html

>>80124156
Aka a trilogy...

>>80124041
Lotr is a one book in six parts, selling it as a trilogy was publishers decision. Even if you own it I guess you've never read it because there are always clear title cards for each of six original books

>>80124156
>three parts
Make that six

>>80124156
Six parts

>>80122446
no grounded definition of financial climate in the end of third age of Middle-Earth

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>>80122446
>CGI orcs
>Love triangle
>Dwarves looking like Aragorn

>>80124188
No, a trilogy is 3 books, not parts or volumes. LoTR has 6 parts 2 for each volume and they consitute a single novel. Tolkien was fairly specific on this.

Whats the best fan edit? or is it like the SW prequels where the poetry can't stand without each stanza?

>>80124260
Maple Films by far

way too long
bad story
bad cgi
bad acting

I mean... what went right?

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>>80123450

>>80124366
Martin Freeman?
Production design?

Why did Del Toro leave the hobbit? I hope it ruined his career as much as he ruined the hobbit.

>>80124366
>what went right?
A lot, fortunately. Acting is good, soundtrack is kinda half-assed but still okay, the important scenes are done well. This leeds to edits like >>80124366 salvaging a really good Hobbit adaption out of the three movies.

>>80124415
Martin Freeman was GOAT. Don't even act like he wasn't top shit.

>>80122446
It shouldn't have been made into a movie.

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>>80122446
making Legolas into some sort of fanservice superhero, when in the book hes only mentioned in like 1 paragraph and has zero role

bear hugged by giant orc?

thrown across the room?

he comes out of everything unscratched, makeup and hair and all

>>80124366
the fight in the ice was not bad

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this happened

>>80124529
nice wrestling moves dude

>>80122446
>What went wrong
The CGI machine

>>80124529
This and Thorin riding on a shield through a small tunnel filled with lava are fucked on a physics level, but they're fantasy races so it's easy for me to believe dwarves are incredibly heat-resistant or elves can push themselves off falling rocks.

>>80124429
>Martin Freeman was the only thing keeping last movie from being complete shite
Really makes you think.

>>80124616
What about Mckellen?

>>80123677
Lmao kid it's not a meme, Star Wars is Lucas' creation so he IS the source of the story. He wrote the script.

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>>80123523
>the prequels are more comparable to lotr trilogy
jesus fucking christ

>>80122769
Too many stupid and bad taste decision cannot be just blamed on time restraint.
Hackson went full George Lucas. It was clear after FotR, just subtler.

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>>80124529
>that perfect loop

>>80122446
>What went wrong?

> Let's turn every scene into an over-the-top action sequence
> This is a fantasy, so let's give all the characters fantastic super abilities
> I've run out of budget and wacky ideas to top myself, let's just wrap this up with something and move on.

the usage of green screen.

Why dont we try and name the very few things we liked about these shit movies.

For me they were:

>Smaug in general, both CGI and voice acting by Cumberbatch.
>Bilbos first encounter with the dwarfs at his house.
>Escaping the spiders in Mirkwood.

Think thats about it.

>>80128649
>Martin Freeman making the best out of every scene
>scenery and art concepts
>Smaug

About it for me. Bilbo was the only reason I continued to watch and even then he was barely in the last one.

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>>80122446
White council scenes were the only good parts

>>80128714
Martin Freeman was absolutely fucking terrible as Bilbo, like he always is (except in Fargo S1)

>>80128794
This. The guy just looks like a prick no matter what he is doing. I don't know if he is, and it's a little strange, but he just seems like a massive asshole.

tried to be a mix between capeshit and disney

>>80128741
The fuck you mean those were the worst due to the hamfisted nature of them.

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>>80122446
not enough smaug

Just watched the Fellowship for the first time ever. What a disappointment, do the rest get better?

>>80128932
Someone please post Cumberbatch doing the mocap for Smaug webm.

>>80128939
you need to be 18 to post here

One of the main issues is that in LOTR, Jackson sets up how the viewer really isn't supposed to be able to differentiate all that well between individuals in the different races.
In Rivendell there are more dwarves present and Gimli doesn't really stand out. They designed to dwarves to be pretty similar.

This gave them a problem with the Hobbit, even though in the books most of the dwarves are not given much development they're just present.
Fran and Peter however wanted the viewer to now be able to tell the dwarfs apart from just seeing their silhouette.
This leads to a more dishonest design through caricature. Something you can put on cereal and soda cans. It shows how he's not really treating the hard work and design of his first films in a very high regard.

And it leads to scenes such as "my wee lad Gimli".

>>80128996
It was ok, nothing special. Nowhere near as good as people make it out to be.

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>>80122446
>What went wrong?
My life.

>>80122769
but they did fuck up HP, every time someone casts a spell without speaking I want to kill WB

webm of the retarded helicopter thing, destroying all the arrows in mid-air?

>>80122836
Think they will use 48 fps on Mortal Engines?

>>80124596
>or elves can push themselves off falling rocks.
It's not about the agility, it's about him jumping up off a falling rock to above another falling rock, then falling down on to the other falling rock and repeating.

Once falling, you are falling, but never as fast as something that's already falling.

>>80129021
Dwarves arrive at Bag End in 2s and 3s. Eventually door opens, one dwarf doesn't have a giant fucking nose. Oh, he's gonna be a love interest, I guess.

>>80129191
>Once falling, you are falling, but never as fast as something that's already falling
I'm not a physics major but not sure if that's entirely correct.

>>80122446
Too much CG/bad CG.

>>80124175

Is this any good then? Does it cut out any excess cgi and action scenes?

>>80124529
this is some troll science level shit

>>80122446
Nothing. Everyone was perfect.

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>tfw it's been 15 years since Fellowship

>>80129258
With heavy objects just starting to fall, it is. He can't fall down onto an already-falling rock because everything is accelerating, and it's got a head start and he'll never catch up, and only fall further and further behind as he's always further back in the acceleration point.

the hobbit was a mistake
t. jackson

Six months of preproduction compared to three years from LotR

Just for comparison's sake the main weapons in LotR were all made by actual blacksmiths. The weapons in the Hobbit were all just green tubes that got CGI'd into weapons. Sometimes props for scenes would be manufactured on the same day they were required for filming.