Black Mirror

it's fun

Both

It's horrible.

>>80112372
when its good its good
when its bad its fucking terrible can not sit through/10

>literal pig fucking the first episode
turned it off immediately there.

The only episodes I've watched so far is the memory saving one from season 1 and the social network one from season 3. I liked them both but I hear some episode are terrible. Which ones should I avoid?

Depends on the episode.

>>80113284
That was not a good choice for the first episode. If it had predicted the prime minister being a pig fucker it never would have gotten anywhere.

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>>80112372
Rated just fine.

Only watched the first two seasons and the christmas special.

Overall it's great with hiccups, but season 2 episode 3 is just shit.

>>80113409
Those two are easily in the top 5. Just make sure to watch the Christmas episode as well.

>>80113491
>season 2 episode 3 is just shit

Oh senpai, you have no idea how bad the Netflix seasons get. First and last episode are decent. The one with lesbians is really love it or hate it. The rest, avoid like the plague.

>>80113552

>not liking Shut up and Dance

It was by far the best episode of the new season, Playtest is a powergaped second.

>>80113552
>muh British originalism
>it's muhrican now it's bad

This is a meme opinion. Season 3 has a similar gold-to-shit ratio as the previous seasons. Some good episodes, one very diposable one, some fun, but flawed ones... and nothing quite as disappointing as Waldo.

I pretty much like them all. There's variance in how ""realistic"" each episode is, but that's totally beside the point (and hopefully people don't seriously assert otherwise). Each is a separate but interesting story, sometimes there are metaphors for real life or distinct possibilities.

I see a lot of people get hung up on dumb shit that doesn't matter with the show, even here. It's good stuff, though. The guy up there crying about pigfucking is a big soft-headed idiot who can't figure out that the pigfucking was beside the point of the first episode.

I have not watched anything past the first season since it aired here in the UK, is it worth watching the rest?

>>80113800
It's not a meme opinion. The distinct Britishness made it so interesting to begin with, and getting rid of that loses the charm.

>>80113552
>my opinion is fact

Well let me give you my opinion anon.

First one is tepid. Good worldbuilding/setting, good special effects, good premise, pretty good acting, iffy execution.

Second episode is the same deal. They did a fairly good job making it suspenseful by lampshading whenever there was a potential jumpscare. Some cool references in there too.

Third was pretty good, but kind of stale in its portrayal of anarchic Anonymous hacker types and threat of party vans.

Fourth had a good premise and great acting, but strayed from the main idea of the show for very little reason. It also had poor pacing and seemed kind of just to be riding its own dick for the first half an hour ("Wow, lesbians! Wow, 80s! Wow, female empowerment! Wow, rebellious young people! Wow, a nerdy virgin coming out of her shell!").

Fifth was pretty good in general, and in keeping with the premise of the show, but was also pretty forgettable and predictable.

Sixth was trying really hard to be a feature film but was also somewhat predictable and forgettable. At least the future technology that ended up being sinister was not obviously on a slippery slope toward Hell from the beginning. It was just innocent bees. There were times when this very fact made this episode edge on the absurd, however.

>>80113710
San Junipero was the best

>>80113910
For the record, the S3E3 was my favorite.

>>80113935
confirmed for child who needs everything to have a happy ending so you can forget it within the hour

>>80113904
Whatever. I liked the show for the cynicism regarding human beens, which was still alive and well as of the 3rd season, and is certainly being carried into the next season. I mean seasons. Praise be to Netflix.

>>80112372
Pretty good show, third season was a step down. Much like stranger things in that it's decent but retarded faggots have to screech about how it's either best or worst thing ever.

>>80113904
How is it distinctly British? And what causes it to lose its Britishness in the third season?

Charlie Brooker is still behind the wheel and just wanted the option to tell stories on both sides of the pond because you can evoke different time periods and subcultures that way.

The 2nd, 3rd, and 6th episode of the 3rd season are British. It's not like the show is written by Steve-O now.

>>80113409
why don't you just watch and decide what you like for yourself you retarded faggot

>>80113969
>implying that the dykes didn't die

>>80112372
I liked most of the earlier seasons, but could not stand the Netflix version.

>>80113903
yes

>>80113800
>This is a meme opinion.
Everything is a meme to you fucking retards.

>>80114066
>much like stranger things in that sometimes people have different opinions

wahhhh

>>80113935
fuck off queer

>>80114098
>implying the point of the episode was that death doesn't matter when you can upload your consciousness to the cloud

did you miss the point of the entire episode? the only sad part was that black dyke's husband and daughter didn't get to/opted out of joining her for eternity in san junipero.

if it's a sad ending when two old women, one a repressed lesbian who didn't get to experience life, get to be forever young, then i don't know what a happy ending is.

Best episode: Season 3, Episode 1 "Nosedive"

Personal Favorite: Season 2 Special "White Christmas"

Worst Episode: Tie between "The Waldo Moment" and "San Junipero"

>>80114167
Why are you acting like a fuckwit anon? Do you seriously think either of those shows is the best or worst thing to ever made? Would you have been less triggered if I said westword? That had the same thing happen.

>>80113910
The fuck lens are you seeing episode four through? It had nothing to do with gender, and the lesbian shit wasn't sensationalized or glorified at all. If you'd seen the episode through to the end, you'd realize it was all to do with human interpersonal connections.

I don't get this
>ep 1 was like this
>ep 2 was garbage don't watch it
>ep 3 was ...
meme. Everyone's trying a bit too hard to hold black mirror up to its own name and compare it to itself.

Sensationalistic culture at work.

>>80113969
I meant of season 3, not the whole show you moron

It has its moments which is more than most can say these days. Even the American stuff wasn't categorically terrible.

Really disappointed in the soldier episode (Outer Limits did that plot so much, much better) and the VR episode (this one was actually half decent which made the execution failures even more disappointing, it could've been something special).

>>80112372

Yes.

>>80114262
>Best episode: Season 3, Episode 1 "Nosedive"
pleb

>>80114252
Remember the people in the sex dungeons of San Junipero? How everyone ends up there eventually? These long-dead people now just desperate to remember any semblance of what emotion or feelings were like?

That's the future for the two women. It's not a big deal for the white dyke, she never got to experience life. But the black one? She had accepted death and was going to be with her husband and daughter. I can't imagine any stronger rejection of Heaven to guarantee yourself a place outside it than agreeing to San Junipero to scissor with a complete stranger for decades or centuries until your ability to feel or even perceive reality has so atrophied that you have them shut you down and finally die.

Eternity doesn't play into San Junipero.

Best episode: Bike dystopia
Worst episode: Pigfucker

Fight me

>>80114287
i don't give a fuck what show it is, people liking or hating it has no effect on you

>>80114374
In terms of production quality, critical and viewer response, awards nominated for, etc etc. it was the best episode. You can piss your pants all you like, but facts are facts.

>>80114401
>>80114252
You are free to interpret the ending of San Junipero however you want (I think the 'it's actually a nightmare eternity' interpretation is a valid one), but it is VERY clear the creators thought it was a happy ending. They play "We'll make heaven a place on Earth" over the end.

So you're free to point out that you think it's actually a hellish fate and that's cool from a death of the author perspective, but I don't think it's unfair to recognize the tone that the show creators were clearly setting.

overrated but not terrible. I find it too corny to take seriously.

I've enjoyed all except maybe two episodes.

Can't wait for the next season, Netflix was really good for this show. It only shines with better production value.

>>80114417
the fuck is bike dystopia

>>80114484
The creators also included scenes on old dead people congregating in degenerate fuck warehouses and it being explained that after awhile people just stop feeling things and that was the last refuge for anyone that had been there too long.

Them being happy in the moment at the end of the show doesn't change all the facts that the episode established throughout.

>>80114252
There was no guarantee that the technology actually worked. For all we know, the dead people on SanJun could be mere lifeless avatars programmed to look and act like the people who agreed to make a bogus "passing". There was no way of knowing for sure, just like there is no way of knowing for sure whether there is life after death at all.

>>80114401
That's assuming that the mind and the soul are the same thing. It's possible her soul went to heaven and her mind was copied into San Junipero. But going with the episode's lack of religious subtext, really she was just planning on following her husband and daughter into oblivion as penance for having lived past them.

I think it's hit or miss.

My biggest problem is that its all too focused on technology (which I know is the point) but thats usually not what I want in an anthology series. I want a huge mixed bag, from tech commentaries to social stories to straight up weird supernatural junk.
Twilight Zone this is not.

>>80114528
S1E2 "Fifteen Million Merits"

>>80114484
This guy thinks the closing song couldn't possibly have been ironic.

>>80114066
This right here. I'm fucking tired of the "best episode, worst episode" meme. Doesn't make for any real discussion. Fukkin playground debate up in here.

>>80114528
The one where the black dude gives 15m credits to the chick to sing but she gets cast as a pornstar. Technically he was cucked

>>80114417
Did you know: there is more than 1 season of this show?

>>80114306
I realize episode four was about interpersonal connections. Still, they spent the first half hour establishing and not developing very easily identifiable tropes. They could have done all of that in ten minutes. I guess they felt like dragging the beginning out so it would feel like a bigger payoff when they start hinting at the fact these are not young girls in the 80s, but old women in the future hanging around with other old people and also dead people.

>>80114467
It's not an issue of what people like or dislike. The issue is this best ever or worst ever bullshit get applied to every show that comes out now, until the fags move on to the next flavour of the month.

>>80114417
>bike dystopia

Kino first half, meme second half.

>>80114323
it doesn't matter if you're comparing it to season 3 or the whole show, it's still in stark contrast to the overarching theme of both the season and the entire show. admit it, you just liked the happy ending.

>>80114481
>production quality
no
>critical and viewer response
blatantly false
>awards nominated for
what?

Notice how none of these things have anything to do with the actual quality of the episode. Kill yourself.

>>80114532
>>80114601
From a cinematography perspective it would be easy to convey a sense of ironic foreboding. For example, you could have them riding off into the sunset as they do, but instead the Quagmire is looming on a cliff in the distance. Or as the server room is shown, you could display lights at random turning off.

From a narrative perspective you could have dealt with things like how a power outage or server failure could effect the 'lives' of those in San Junipero.

From a music director's perspective, you could have played the closing song in a minor key, remixed it, recut it, or thematically established the music with a sense of foreboding (such as in the 'driving recklessly into the night' scene).

None of these things were done. Either the show runners had no idea what they were doing from a design perspective or they were intentionally creating a "happy" ending. Let's take Occam's Razor.

>>80114481
>but facts are facts.
facts don't mean anything, 40% of all people know that.

>>80114532
If I remember correctly, you have the option to leave whenever you want. This is just bringing up the issue of people who are too afraid of mortality to realize when life has gone stale.

And honestly, is really a nightmare if they're still getting their jollies by being in a fuck warehouse? For us, maybe, but we're not desensitized.

>>80114698
Nigger if it's not my favorite episode of the whole show than clearly a happy ending isn't what's most important to me.

>>80114658
I'd disagree and say the dialogue in that span of time matters, but you don't really notice all the hints that are dropped about them being "not there" until you rewatch it.

i downloaded all the eps a while ago. what are the the top 5? i figure ill probably watch the first season at least, judging from the thread it has the most consistent quality

>>80114656
It's okay for one season to have the best and the worst. It shows they were really going out of their way to try things, sometimes you try and fail, and that's okay.

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>implying this wasn't the best episode

This episode can yield hours of discussion upon the ethics of the technology, it's by far the most interesting from a science fiction perspective.

>>80114537
well you can apply that solipsist chain of thought to anything. for all we know, harry potter was actually a starving boy's delirious fantasies while he was being periodically beaten half to death under his aunt and uncle's stairs.

>>80114664
if you're not a flavour of the month type of person, why does that have any relevance to you? because you don't get to see your favorite shows on the first page of /tv/?

>>80114835
I loved that episode

>>80114785
then what was your favorite episode?

i'm coming to your house and pissing on you if you say be right back

>>80114727
>if i say you're wrong about all these easily provable facts then they cease to be true!
Why do I bother responding to faggot autists online? The worst part is that I feel myself getting stupider the longer we interact. Like your retardation is a riptide pulling me out to the greater sea of imbecility.

>>80114835
>enjoying one of the episodes that revolve around cuckoldry

Seriously, why the fuck does Black Mirror have so many cuckoldry episodes?

>>80114836
>harry potter was actually a starving boy's delirious fantasies while he was being periodically beaten half to death under his aunt and uncle's stairs.

maybe that would have made that movie franchise watchable

>>80114804
i see where you're coming from. i must admit, i haven't rewatched it.

>>80114656
reddit didn't know it existed before the netflix season

>>80114949
lol I hate reddit tooxD, what idiots thye are lol. go 4chan!

>>80114935
Black Mirror understood that in the tech age, cuckoldry will be the first and foremost concern of humanity

>>80114945
i agree. it's actually fun to try to apply that chain of thought to different things.

>>80114731
Let's not. Doing any one of those things would've meant that the whole episode was implicitly a dark and negative thing. "Living" forever seems to be established as a "hopefully not terrible" thing, doesn't get swung one way or the other. I think the ending implies some irony, but not the kind of irony that would make things seem "all-bad." They live forever, sure that's good, until it isn't, like
>>80114532 said.

There's a grey kind of "it's hopefully not terrible" implication. Your Occam's Razor is useless to your argument.

>>80114989
So that's what post-scarcity will look like. Damn Star Trek for lying to us.

>>80114949
then why is the black mirror subreddit 4 years old?

>>80115056
Some guy probably wanted the Karma or otherwise e-penis enlargement. Why else, it's reddit.

>>80114835
i really quite liked this episode

it's possibly my favorite

>>80115095
great answer, really helps you look less completely wrong

>>80114836
This interpretation is perfectly supported by the information presented on the episode, specially poorly explained elements like the rule that only allowed the living people 5 hours a week on the simulation, and even more so when considered in the larger context of the series.

It's funny how people get triggered when someone objects to the sunshine-and-rainbows interpretation of this episode. I think people get personally invested in the hope of being able to upload their consciousness into VT eternity as soon as at some point in this century.

>>80114417
The pigfucker episode was one of my favorites. I thought all the episodes were gonna be like that. The rest of the season actually kind of disappointed me.

>>80115028
>grey

The only "grey" implication is atonal. If your viewing of that scene wasn't able to pick up on a tone, you might have autism. And I'm not just saying that in the usual 4chan jokey kind of way, I mean "you are suffering from a symptom where you seem to be unable to draw the same emotional conclusions as other human beings".

If you're getting "atonal" or "grey area" out of "laughing, beautiful young women ride off into the sunset in a flashy sports car as upbeat pop music plays", you may have a serious neurological disorder.

>>80114874
Are you being deliberately obtuse anon?
I watch those shows like most other people here. My issue is with the extremism. It's like the political shit that gets posted here, it's either far left or alt right, it's fucking bullshit. There's no middle ground with these fucks.

>>80115193
>The pigfucker episode was one of my favorites.
I really liked that episode as well.

>>80114467
Maybe if you live in isolation.

>>80115193
>I thought all the episodes were gonna be like that
And what was so special about that episode?

>>80115218
I take it you concede, then? Sorry your Occam's Gayzer didn't pan out for you and that you were still disagreed with despite it. You lost your credibility - and established your incapability to understand what it is that you're arguing about - when you devolved to
>le autizm meme
I'll take that victory, you can't fool me, faggot.

>>80115180
People are going to wake up and realize how fucking terrible of an idea that would be. There's gonna be a technology war in the future where the technophile elite will wage war on the naturalist seperatists, and attempt to integrate them into the neural-interface hive-mind. Never augment. Remain human.

>>80115180
doesn't refute my post but interesting point about people wanting to upload their consciousness to VR.

it isn't supported by the fact that the writers clearly intended it to be a happy episode or the fact that the 5 hours a week thing was clearly stated to be a trial period so people could decide if they wanted to "pass" when they died.

>>80115318
I guess I didn't know it was going to go full futuristic sci-fi. I thought the near future look at social media technology was going to be the focus. I just thought that would be the setting.

>>80115486
To be fair bro, a solid third or so of the episodes are as you described

>>80115458
i think you got it backwards. the naturalists will wage war on the cyborg elite because only the rich will be able to afford the endless benefits that they will receive as a consequence of being able to live forever. it will only exacerbate the issue of "the rich get richer." imagine being able to amass wealth forever after making an initial investment in immortality. the returns are infinite. and the immortal elite will come to view normal people as ants, because we will have an even smaller relative lifespan to them than ants have to us.

>>80112372
Fist season good, second season infected with SJW shit.

It's shit.

Just re-watch the original Twilight Zone.

>>80115538
>benefits
That's what they will sell it as. What it will really be is total control. Never fall for it. Remain human at all costs.

>>80115581
>second season infected with SJW shit
Such as?

>>80115586
This so much. It's just resting on the shoulders of giants.

How come every episode includes a couple that's non white male with white female

>>80115538
The point is, when neural interfacing becomes widely available, a super-consciousness will emerge from the combined consciousness of humanity. This new entity will try to assimilate as many people as possible so as to become "more conscious". You will be hunted down and uploaded to the network against your will so you can be controlled.

>>80115667
>when the pilot disproves this post by itself

Fuck off /pol/

>>80115667
netflix diversity quotas

>>80115726
Pigfucker? There's a scene of a brown dude laying in bed with a white chick

Not /pol/, it's just a very obvious recurring trend...accentuated on the White Christmas episode

>>80115715
That's nice Alex Jones

>>80115788
>being so obsessed with race you can remember every scene of background characters triggering you

lmaoing at your life

>>80115788
people who think this is a /pol/ agenda must be completely brainwashed or blind. Every fucking show and movie in the last 5 years has shoehorned gay, interracial, handicapped, mentally ill characters into them, needlessly. I'm not even saying it's bad, I'm saying it's happening.

>>80115628
Every episode aired on Netflix, maybe that was third season? i can't remember.

>>80115667
Have you not watched British tv lately?

>>80115899
That was the third one. That one I could see.

>>80115807
you don't realize how dangerous it is to tie ideologies to a person. People can be delegitimized, ideas cannot. I see you have already been reached by the propaganda though. Alex Jones has nothing to do with what I said, it's actually very logical if you just think about it.

>consciousness is an emergent property of neuron clusters
>neural interfacing will allow instant transmission of information, essentially turning every human into a neuron in a giant brain
>new super consciousness is emergent from billions of singular consciousnesses
>this new consciousness will only benefit from further assimilation

>>80115586
none of these youngfags would have seen that in the first place

>>80115949
It's more the fact that Alex Jones said what you were talking abut nearly word for word

>>80112372
DUDE TECHNOLOGY IS EVIL LMAO

>>80115982
Well I don't listen to Alex Jones, so now you have two people who used their brains and came to the exactly same conclusion from the same facts without collaboration. Alex Jones isn't a stupid guy.

>>80115461
>5 hours a week thing was clearly stated to be a trial period so people could decide if they wanted to "pass" when they died

Yeah, but there was no reason for it to be limited to 5 hours for people like Yorkie or even Kelly, two old, sickly ladies who didn't work, socialize or had any sort of obligation in the real world. The most plausible reason for this limitation would be to generate that sense of longing that could propel people (specially those with fucked up lives, like Yorkie) to choose to undergo euthanasia just so they can spend more time at the simulation already.

>it isn't supported by the fact that the writers clearly intended it to be a happy episode

I read interview excerpts in which Brooker stated that he indeed intended it to be a happy ending. I'm judging the episode by itself.

>>80116017
>missing the point this hard

>>80115715
>tfw suddenly metaphor for web 2.0.

>tfw you suddenly realize what "Black Mirror" means

Took me about a year after starting the series, I felt like a real dumb dumb

>>80114935
Honestly and without meme-ing, this >>80114989

Technology can advance to all sorts of dizzying heights, and people are going to use it to the do the same stupid shit that we've been doing since the dawn of our species: fuck and fight about who we've fucked

>>80115538
The thing is technology is finite, even if you could live forever through a reality in a computer it'd only be a matter of time until a server crash, or what you're uploaded on becomes physically damaged

>>80114835
Its probably the one of the scariest and most realistic episode. I could definitely see this happening in the next 30 years, especially with advances in lightfield tech.

>>80116685
I thought the scariest one was the girl who uploads her consciousness into the ipad thing and it turns out to be horrible.

>>80113483
Who is this semen demon?

>>80116788
I dont think Black Mirrors mind upload episode was realistic desu. If someone really wanted a digital personal assistant that could cater to their every need, they could just have an advanced AI assistant which observes the person for weeks, and the data gathered via sensors would be enough to create a personal assistant that knows you like your own parents. And plus, Im sure the girls digital conscience would eventually have an identity of her own and would no longer know her as she once did since people always change.

>>80116996
Did the math on the guy the police left trapped over the weekend. 4 million years in there. I can't even conceive of the hell of it.

>>80112372
There's one episode that's perfect, patricians know the one, others that are bretty gud, some mildly mediocre ones and quite a few dreadful ones as well.

Overall it's not bad, overrated tho.

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>>80115667
not all of them, unless you count gingers as another race

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>>80117251
>minor characters that were worse than Hitler

>>80116034
Would it even make a difference if there was no trial version and Yorkie didn't get euthanized and instead was in VR all the time? It seems like it'd be the exact same end as the trial-and-then-euthanasia-and-then-permanent-residency route. I don't think your theory makes sense.

>>80116360
Yes, but if your consciousness is in a server, then you could copy it as many times as you want to have backups. They explore copying your consciousness in White Christmas. With the way technology is going there will by petabytes upon petabytes of room for rich people to copy their consciousness on servers and drives all over the world.

>>80112372
It's a case by case basis.

- Greg

>>80117251
They hint at the real guy going into the White Bear program. It's a very similar kind of hell.

His mind would be on the far side of broken in less than a second going off the way Jon Hamm's character breaks the woman's cookie at the beginning of the episode.

>>80118995
I have never laid eyes upon a such an egregious namefag.

>>80116846
my waifu

>>80119031
why are you giving him attention?

>>80118889
>Would it even make a difference if there was no trial version and Yorkie didn't get euthanized and instead was in VR all the time

That was technically possible, but wasn't allowed. The trial for the living was arbitrarily limited to 5 hours a week. Why? They did come up with something about spending full time on the simulation being bad for your mental health (or something), but it's interesting that there were no exceptions or longer trial hours for people who didn't have much longer to live anyway, or already had their brains messed beyond repair.

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>>80116025
>Alex Jones isn't a stupid guy.