>In 1970, Sobel shot himself in the head with a small-caliber

>>79800626
That's where people always fuck up, the gun to the temple thing looks kino but is a terrible way to commit suicide.

>>79800680
You really just need to look in a mirror while you are doing it to make sure the barrel is positioned to hit your brain not your eyes

My great-grandfather killed himself like 10 years after he fought at Okinawa. They didn't know what PTSD was or how to treat it back then

>>79800680
In your mouth and point it up towards the base of your skull.

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I'm really paranoid about suicide. I don't know what the signs are and am afraid someone I know might attempt suicide. I'd feel like I failed them, like I wasn't there when they needed me.

>>79800842
REEEEEEEEEEEE IT'S NOT ANYBODY'S FAULT

>>79800626
WHAT IS THE GODDAAAMN HOLDUP, MR. SOBEL?

>>79800780
Heard having a mouthful of water will cause some form of shockwave and obliterate your whole head

>>79800842
They'll tell you. It takes a while to get that low to commit suicide. It's seen as desperate or annoying or whining, or just plain attention seeking - but thats what it is

>>79800626
>only 9mm

>>79801169
try it for us and find out if that's true

>>79801263
I'll do it and post results

>>79801263
kk I'll report back

>>79801169
Wtf I drink water everyday

David Schwimmer was surprisingly nice towards him and did his research on the man.

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>you are going to die

>>79801216

not really, many guys never tell anyone and one day just go down to their garage and hang themselves

>>79800842
It's a slow burn but when it hits you it's bad man, Make sure to get help before that point hits. Luckily I had a support group in place but if I didn't I;d be dead.

>>79800770
>PTSD
nah fampai, he was just depressed at being a loser. not saying he deserved suicide, but he wasn't the greatest dude and wasn't operational to get PTSD.

>>79800770
>They didn't know what PTSD was
nigger they knew what it was after WW1, look up shellshock

>>79800770
Mine was similar. Came back from WWI in France and did nothing but drink and rape my great-grandma. My aunt said he started hearing voices and getting paranoid. He got in a bathtub and blew his head off with a shotgun in 61. We still have the shotgun.

>>79801330
Calm down, dick

>>79801323
I disagree, I speak from experience. If you're talking about celebrity suicides - we only know their persona

>>79801216
That's the whiny emo kids, not the older people who just aren't coping or lose the will to live

I had a friend tell me he fucked it up (drugs and asphyxiation), woke up, was like oh well fuck it and checked into the psyche ward

I've also had friends constantly reminiscing on the glory days of high school and asking if I remember all these little things. That got alarming and I told that guy to come round and reminisce in person the day after, where he told me all about his cutting and how he was going to kill himself last night and everything.

There's probably a whole spectrum, from emotional pain through to feeling nothing, that creates a ton of variable symptoms

>>79800626
>really makes you think
Yeah, makes me think that it's fucking bullshit that a guy who intentionally shot himself is sponging off the tax payer. VA should only be for chronic injuries sustained in combat.

>>79800770
My great great grandfather killed himself 30 odd years after fighting in the civil war, but I doubt it was PTSD. He got dysentery and pneumonia in Virginia and had shitty health for the rest of his life. But all things considered he was fortunate. After his health discharge his unite got BTFO

>>79801296
underrated af

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>>79801330
I'm glad his grandpappy is dead.

>>79800842
>I don't know what the signs are and am afraid someone I know might attempt suicide. I'd feel like I failed them, like I wasn't there when they needed me.

Your expectations are pretty much what it's like. A coworker killed himself once. It sucked. There was a grief counselor to talk to, but I had no clue what to say to a grief counselor.

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>>79801365
>WW1 lived on in his head for 40 years.

jesus, no thanks.

>>79801858
t. Okinawan monkey

>>79801296
fucking lmao

>>79801296

Holy shit I'm fucking dying here

>my spirit animal
bullies won

>>79801365
Your family told you how you grandpa raped your grandma over and over making her his personal slut?

>>79800842
i've taken a variety of those depression self tests and all of them give some variation of "your depression is critical and you have suicidal thoughts you need help NOW"

what did they mean by this

>>79801358
They had a name for it but it was largely misunderstood, even until vietnam people stigmatised PTSD victims and called them cowards.

>>79801365
>Fight in world war 1
>Enjoy 43 years of drinking and raping afterwards
A life well lived.

>>79802331
Yeah, my aunt has issues. It was the night my sister almost died in a car crash and my aunt just started talking about him and how she could hear him yelling through her wall about how he could to beat my great-grandma's head in with a hammer any time he wanted. Most of the people in his family had problems. My family has a lot of anxiety that probably came from his branch.

>>79802460
Pretty hot

>>79800842
At that point it doesn't matter anon. You factor into zero of their thoughts. They'd rather die then spend another day trying to talk to anyone about it.

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>>79800626
>Died the day I was born

>>79802460
>>79802331
Post pics of your gran so I can fap

>at least 3 anons in this thread will die before they're 35

im sorry anons

>>79801858
LOL

>>79801858
t. /r/4chan/

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>>79801529
>constantly reminiscing on the glory days of high school and asking if I remember all these little things

>mfw I realize that "4 touchdowns in a single game" was a cry for help and not funny at all

>>79802597
it aint me starts playin

>>79802509
just like me

>>79800842

>tfw someone on facebooks talks about being depressed and killing himself

I don't really know the guy, but I straight up told him I don't know how to help him and that he should get professional help. I don't know what else I can do, but I also know it's not enough.

>>79800727
Even then it's not guaranteed, especially if it's a small-calibre.

Eat a shotgun or something (better yet, use an exit bag) if you want to be certain. You'll have to have a closed casket funeral but if you are planning on blowing your brains out you don't want to fuck it up.

>>79803459
dont worry about suicidal faggots, life has never been easier, if they cant hack it, oh well

>>79801320
Cant wait tbqh

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This may seem really stupid, but this is where you need to fire to guarantee death. This part of the brain controls breathing and heart rate. I realize this is awkward for a suicide, but it is the most logical.

>>79801296
why am i laughing at this shit

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>>79803591
If you're saying you'd have to shoot yourself from the back that's incorrect. Stick the barrel in your mouth, angle towards the back toward this big glowing white bit (cerebellum). You'll nail the primary connection of the spinal cord to your brain, so you'll lose just about all sensation immediately, and you'll take out your pons, which controls your breathing.

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>>79803796
Using your own drawing shows how wrong this is. Guns are too big to get the proper angel from the inside of the mouth. Plus with shaking hands, much easier to go from the back of the head.

>>79803906
I should also clarify that the ponsis a large target than trying to hit the thin bundle of nerves of the spinal cord.

>>79803591
>>79803796
>>79803906
Isn't it easier to just not use a small caliber gun? This way you will make sure the damage is widespread so you don't need to aim precisely at the right spot.

>>79801443
I'm not even going full Dick Winters or /pol/, just being desu.
>>79802509
>>79803069
maybe you inherited his loser soul

>>79803906
But what if the barrel slips while you try to awkwardly pull the trigger with your thumb.

The real answer here is that you need to purchase a shotgun and destroy the whole brain. It's the best way to guarantee death.

>>79800626
Couldn't even command himself to commit suicide competently.

>>79803591
Placing the gun directly behind the ear should do the trick.

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>>79803971
Regardless of the caliber shot placement is critical.

This guy just got a face transplant from a suicide attempt.

>>79803906
>Guns are too big to get the proper angel from the inside of the mouth

What are you, a little kid? Or a tiny person? Bust your teeth if you have to. You're going to die. The red line has you shooting straight back, and with a large enough caliber you'll still decimate the pons and most of the connecting nerves from the brain to the spinal cord, including the nerve responsible for normal heartrate, the vagus nerve.

>>79803965
Oh we're on different pages. I'm not saying shoot the brainstem directly, a bit above it. You'll fuck everything up with a 9mm or more.

>>79803982
>But what if the barrel slips while you try to awkwardly pull the trigger with your thumb.

Why are you using your thumb? Turn the gun upside down and put it in your mouth.

>>79803971
Indeed. If you REALLY want to do it, just save up for a shotgun and shells.

>>79804000
Not necessarily. More room for error.

>>79802597
Probably me. I'm 27 and I think im gonna call it quits before I hit 30. I pretty much fucked my life up and work a minimum wage job now with a nerve damaged left leg and an alcohol problem. Im thinking im gonna do the helium tank method at some point if i can't find my pistol.

Dunno but I like to imagine that we get a do over after we die.

>>79804023
we dont. We just die

>>79804020
>Oh we're on different pages. I'm not saying shoot the brainstem directly, a bit above it. You'll fuck everything up with a 9mm or more.
But this isn't possible from inside the mouth with a 9mm. You are forced in one direction.

All I can say is all I own is a 9mm and if I commit suicide then I'm going for the back of the head. Or jumping off a very high object and trying to fly!

>>79804080
What happens after?

>>79804110
You go to hell for murdering yourself.

>>79804080
I know. It's just nice to have a good thought to cling to before lights out.

>>79803796
>>79803906
wrong thing, you need to aim for the brain stem
>The brainstem also plays an important role in the regulation of cardiac and respiratory function. It also regulates the central nervous system, and is pivotal in maintaining consciousness and regulating the sleep cycle. The brainstem has many basic functions including heart rate, breathing, sleeping, and eating.
straight from wiki

>>79804156
>hell
Well meme'd

>>79804084
My man, stick three fingers in your mouth and angle it where the image shows the cerebellum/brainstem. Unless you're 4'9, your mouth can accommodate. I just stuck a 7 inch revolver's barrel in my mouth and it was no trabble angling it.

>>79804175
I said that in my first post, but I can see I wasn't being clear enough. I said towards the cerebellum, not at it. Second time when I say above the brainstem is so you can hit the pons and shit.

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>>79801296

>>79800842
Someone who is actually suicidal won't show any signs and just do it.

>>79802597
pls be me

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>>79801320
>not pouring your essence into a phylactery and living forever
You're not thinking big enough.

>>79804253
That's not even close to being true. I had a friend who talked that way a lot and everyone just figured it was how he would get sometimes when drinking and he recently killed himself with heroin on purpose. Left a note and everything. Good way to go though desu

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>>79804391
>Choking on vomit
>Good way to go

>>79801330
*cringe*

>>79801949
Fucking trench foot

>>79802509
Sup Libra bro?

>>79804446
It lived on in his head not his feet.

>>79804405
I don't think he choked on vomit I think he just stopped breathing from respiratory depression. Then again maybe he did. Not something they would share with the public I guess.

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>>79804391
>he recently killed himself with heroin on purpose

>>79804020
You'll never hit the vagus nerve with that shot, the vagus nerve goes through the latero-faringeal space ur hitting straight back still aiming to the veil of the paladar will surely kill you.

>>79804568
Fuck off man I did anatomy and physio back to back shit's fuzzy.

>>79804534
What did he mean by this?

>>79804639
Its alright, but you wont hit it.. I never liked anatomy but I remember alot of stuff.

>>79803796
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVm88MX2Gw4&spfreload=10&bpctr=1488096716

>>79803541
Not the fella you replied to, but don't be a cunt, cunt

>>79804740
>This will hurt someone

What did he mean by this?

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>>79803796

>>79800626
I live a few minutes away from Waukegan. Sounds about right.

>>79804787
what is this from?

>>79804988
your future

>>79804988
The North Hollywood shootout, two guys with an ak, hk rifle, and body armor robbed a bank in LA and shot it out with police for an hour shooting like 1000 rounds, the cops couldnt take them down because of the body armor, and they fucked up like 20 cops. Police had to buy guns from a gunstore to match their firepower
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Hollywood_shootout

>>79802597
Fingers crossed!

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Late 90's so quality kind of sucks

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>>79800842
I've been there, someone close to me committed suicide through the seppuku method. Nobody saw it coming, but I dont think you should be paranoid about the people close to you killing themselves. At the end of the day all you can really do is be there for the people you care about.

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>>79805431

>>79805502
>>79805431
>>79805401
>>79805384
>>79805356
>>79805321
holy shit this is crazy, what if this happened today?

>>79805523
then the news would have something to talk about for a day or two

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>>79805523
They'd probably be dead in 5 minutes today, police these days are just as well armed as those two were. Back then, police only had handguns and shotguns

>>79804740
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKxbExprfG4

>>79800842
https://www.livingworks.net/programs/asist/

>>79800842
well, if it discourage you in any way pretty much all ways of suicide are painful as fuck, even a gunshot to the head will only really kill you after 5 or so seconds

>>79805558
The reason they are well armed is because of this. Go figure

>>79800727
Shooting yourself in the heart is more effective.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8qB0DOZ9MY

>>79800842
Most people lack the balls to actually go for it.

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>>79804156
>You will suffer for eternity if you don't live out the entirety of a lifespan as a worker bee
Gee, I wonder why this snippet was put in the bible. Surely, no motives involved.

What's even the point of christcuckery? Heaven is supposedly great but you're not allowed to go under 921348520372137213 circumstances, and if you fail to get there you'll be literally tortured for all eternity? What's even the point of that kind of existence? No wonder everyone that actually takes the religion seriously in their day-to-day life is miserable as fuck. You not only fuck over all hope of happiness in this life, but you're tormented with the horrific fear of unparalleled cruelty after you die if you violate any of the largely asinine and non-sensical 'rules'. Which, if you live in a country with any shred of 'rule of law', you are 100% guaranteed to end up violating biblical law eventually in order to not end up in jail. It's fucking lose-lose no matter how you look at it.

>>79801296

this is why americans only drink soda and never tap water

>>79800842

why dont you just be nice to everyone you know?

>>79805954
>What's even the point of christcuckery?

Community, tradition.

>No wonder everyone that actually takes the religion seriously in their day-to-day life is miserable as fuck

Not true. A lot of devout religious folks are quite content. I know a lot.

>You not only fuck over all hope of happiness in this life,

Again, not true. The community and the fact that god is watching over you really belays any kind of hopeless feeling for the majority of the time.

>but you're tormented with the horrific fear of unparalleled cruelty after you die if you violate any of the largely asinine and non-sensical 'rules'

Most religious institutions are lax on the asinine rules.

The point is it's really not as bad it used to be.

>>79805954

According to most interpretations of the bible if you simply accept Christ into your heart you get to go to heaven. Makes little sense since I could just murder my entire family and then seconds before blowing my brains out accept Jesus.

>>79801216
Explain Robin WIlliams.

>>79806121

Lewy-Body-Dementia.

How many oxys do I have to take induce respiratory depression?

>>79806020
What do the opinions of religious institutions matter? The book lays out the law, and nowhere in it does it say that it's open for 'interpretation' or debate. If you do shit like eat shrimp, or wear the wrong clothes, boom: Forever-torture.

I fucking hate this crap because it tore my mother apart and made her miserable as shit when she tried to turn to religion for hope and instead got all joy in life sucked right out of her the more devout she became. I hardly even recognize her anymore.

You don't have to be an atheist, but being a part of organized religion is the biggest fucking meme in human history. The amount of suffering it causes, ironically, to prevent the forever-torture, is absolutely staggering. It's total fucking madness.

The curmudgeon with suicide is so fucking convenient, too. Like, of course they need to make a rule about suicide. after all, can't have you 'cheating the system' by killing yourself to get into heaven. What a farce.

>>79800842
>I don't know what the signs

I would look for "cheerful helplessness". Like, "yeah things suck but it's all good brah haha even if everything sucks don't you worry about me", after all suicide comes from helplessness and suicidal people usually don't want anybody to bother them about this thing, they don't really think they can be helped so they will brush it off it a friendly way.

Still, blaming yourself is a silly thing, if you don't know something it's already out of the reach of your possibilities. One of my friends committed suicide and phoned to me the night before the did and i felt that he was gonna do it. But I was suicidal, or more like felt extremely helpless, at a time so I thought I was just projecting stuff. Could current version of me somehow help him? Probably, but it doesn't matter past version of me didn't have crucial understanding of stuff to help with things like this.

tl;dr chill brah, it's very rare that it's specifically your fault, you are always doing your best.

>>79804507
Do you die going up or die after you come down? Dying from the withdrawal sounds like the worst thing imaginable.

>>79802941
fuck

>>79806197
>What do the opinions of religious institutions matter?

Because they do. I dunno what to tell you. They omit certain passages which are asinine. Another reason why religions are stupid in it of themselves.

Your anecdote is sad, but it's not indicative of what's going on these days for the most part.

>>79806270
I'm from deep in the bible belt. From everything I've personally seen, at least, religion just makes people truly sad sacks if they actually take it seriously.

The thing is, the vast majority of people don't. Even if they go to church. The amount of actually devout christians is tiny, and the amount of ACTUAL christians is fucking microscopic. Religion is a meme that only the desperate or crazy ACTUALLY believe. Everyone else only 'believes' it because they were raised to, and it's socially taboo up until very recently to not be ''''religious''''.

>>79800626
Pretty sad, desu

>>79806198
It's not about guilt or washing my hands of another person's death. It's about the chance to save someone. I'd hate to be depressed and have no one to turn to in my time of need. I've felt helpless before, like my own habits and who I was was innately inadequate for where I was with my life. I felt like the right kind of person in my life could fix it and I wish they were there, but they weren't. I don't want that for others. I want to be whoever someone needs me to be. I want to be the best human I can be.

If there is a chance to save someone then I'd like to be able to recognize the signs and be completely there for them.

>>79802337
Do you want to talk? Having troubles with life?

>>79806338
Agreed completely, my man. It's kind of silly at this point.

>The bible is the word of god, we must follow it to the letter
>Don't
>Tailor specific passages to your needs

It's more evident than ever that it was men who created the bible. And yeah, it kept civilization going for a while, but it's just full of contradictions now.

>>79803591
stop it hillary

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>>79801296
Just woke up room mate from laughter. It's 3AM.

>>79805954
That's why you will be saved by God's mercy alone.

>>79801296


Thank you for the best laugh in awhile anon.

>>79801296
lost

>>79805483
they actually cut their stomach open? jesus

>>79806020
Fuck their community and the horse they rode in on. Religious people are some of the shittiest people on this planet - probably because they think they're on the God's good side so its OK for them to act shitty

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>>79802506