It should've gone down like this

>>79768123
No. He is a betacuck that ruined everything for a random cunt.

Yeah he definitely should have been cast as Jon Snow instead of Kit

Robb Stark = eternal best Stark

Jon "Starkgaryen" Snow is not my King and is brobably an oathbreaker as well :DDD Grey Wolf not White Wolf mmkay. praise the old gods

>>79768168
t. Showfag.

Book Robb Stark is a legendary hero whose greatest mistake was not wanting to repeat his father's errors and breed bastards.

>>79768123
no drama, the Young Wolf defeated Lannister army after Lannister army, he would have crushed Ramsey Snow.

You kind of knew his character was doomed when he wasn't one of the POV characters in the books. I guess that wouldn't really have come across in the show though.

I'm mostly sad that he and Jon never got to fight side by side.

>>79768524
Stannis is about to BTFO Ramsay with a nice swim in the next book.

>>79768545
I'm mostly sad we never even saw Robb in combat

>>79768417
t.wikifag

>>79768417
The books are utter shit you fucking pleb.

What the King Who Lost the North should have done is bend the knee to Stannis. Imagine the battle of the Blackwater with the Starks showing up at the same time as the Tyrells.

>>79768603
>dont get to see any of Robb's highborn warriors
>no scenes of Robb and Greywind wrecking Lannister fucking shits

>:^(

>>79768652
Read the books too many times over. The more you read, the more you realize Robb being far beyond anyone else of the Five Kings. His biggest mistake was allowing his dumb mother political influence. He eventually sets her aside but it comes too late.

>>79768584
Stannis is a mediocre commander. He is stubborn but that's it. Only reason he survived in the North is because Jon urges him to call the smaller tribes to him instead of marching to Dreadfort and his doom. But he is much better man than depicted by Jew&Jew.

>>79768708
No they're not you disgusting showfag. Enjoy your feminist bad pussy propaganda.

>>79768746
He should've told his uncle about his trap to encircle Tywin.

>>79768820
Enjoy sucking on those taxing dicks, fagknob.

>>79768746
Stannis made no effort to reach out to the North and talked shit about Ned for like 4 books

fuck him

even though robb isnt that great


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>>79768910
Robb made no effort to reach out to Stannis and died like a faggot because muh honor

fuck Robb too, they deserved each other

>>79768944
And stannis didnt die like a faggot?

>>79768820
GRRM said that the books were feminist too.

>>79768944
your dad just had his head chopped off by a faggot kid with bipolar disorder

do you fire off a letter to that autist's uncle or do you mourn and gather your army?

stannis was the one who should've sent a letter saying "lets get these fucks"

>>79768964
in the show, yes, in the book,s not yet tehehe >:^)

>>79768944
Why would Robb reach out to Stannis? Stannis already made it clear he wanted Robb dead. He was much smarter in seeking an alliance with the far more prudent and powerful Renly. Stannis fucked everyone in the ass, including himself when he committed to kinslaying.

Fuck Stannis.

>>79769006
didn't Stannis send out a letter to all the lords of the realm denouncing Joffrey Baratheon as a bastard born of incest between the Queen and her brother?

>>79768933
im reddit and im offended

>>79769035
he didnt give a shit until Robb was crowned KitN. I'm talking about Robb not taking that crown and instead just rebelling against the crown and throwing his lot behind the Baratheon brothers, who should have gotten their shit together too

>>79768997
As in accurately portraying women in a shitty world. Show feminism is falsely portraying women stronger and better than they actually are. GRRM probably twisted in pain during that scene where little girl Mormont was bossing old great Northern lords around.

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>>79768785
>Stannis is a mediocre commander.

>>79769050
He didn't have any proof.

>>79769081
To be fair, the North were completely justified in crowning Robb. Compare the morale difference between fighting for independence or fighting as outlaw rebels with no king or land to claim as your own. The North knew the Iron Throne was out to fuck them all over. They didn't know that Joffrey was a bastard. The smartest choice would be to simply break free of an oppressive monarchy. And if dumb Stannis didn't kill Renly, the war would've ended with a decisive defeat for the Lannisters.

>>79769050
it was basically this:

Dear everyone,

Jaime fucked Cersei. Everything is mine. Fuck you. Now come swear fealty to me even though I'm stuck on an island with a tiny army and I hate you all. Pay no attention to my little brother who has a massive fucking army and an actually likable personality. PS. Ned Stark was fucking stupid for having honor. Btw Robb come swear fealty to me

- Stannis

>Game of Thrones
how does it feel to have low IQ?

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>>79769109
He was. He fucked up Blackwater big time. He put retards in charge for no good reason. He left his flanks exposed. And if Jon wasn't councelling him in ADWD, he would've marched straight to Dreadfort and died there and then. It's Jon's councelling that keeps him alive.

He did well in the Greyjoy rebellion but let's face it, Victarion is a fucking retard.

I have autism and want to know about titles

- Did Robb become Warden of the North when Ned started riding south to become Hand?

- Did Bran and Rickon become Princes when Robb was declared KITN

>>79769776
No. Ned was still Warden of the North as Hand of the King.

>Did Bran and Rickon become Princes
Yes

Any more questions?

>>79768417
then maybe he should have kept his dick in his pants instead of being a retard

>>79769798
Okay, stay with me though

Once Ned was beheaded, at that moment did Robb become acting Warden of the North in Joffrey's eyes or did they want to wait until Robb rode south to swear fealty before giving him that title?

What happens when Bran comes back this season? Jon still KITN?

Why didn't Tommen's swimmers pollinate Margery? They banged like 1000 times

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>>79769915
1, No. Warden is a title that isn't inherited. It is handed out by the king. Cersei went full retards naming her Wardens. So Robb never once held that title because Joffrey never gave him that title.

>What happens when Bran comes back this season?
The show is retarded and skips on significant details so retards don't get confused. In the books, Robb Stark legitimizes Jon Snow as a trueborn son of Stark and therefore next in line for King in the North. There is no reason at all for his crowning on the show. It's awful and confusing and pandering to retards. I have no idea how the show would solve this. Probably just ignore it completely like they've ignored every other retarded shit they've changed.

>Why didn't Tommen's swimmers pollinate Margery?
Didn't watch the show. But him being inbred might have fucked his reproductive abilities. I'm just speculating, never watched the show to this point. In the books, Tommen isn't even old enough to shoot.

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>>79768123

Why dont they wear fucking helmets or proper armor?

Can someone please tell me what era Game of Thrones is supposed to be resembling from history?

>>79769035
this. stannis is autism incarnate and renly did absolutely nothing wrong

>>79768785
>His biggest mistake was allowing his dumb mother political influence.

His mom said not to send Theon, not to kill Karstark and not to marry that bitch, Robb's a dumbass

>>79770229
t. showfag with 127 followers on twitter

>>79769776
brans called prince only about a million times in the books so........ no

>>79770273
he's still right about theon and karstark though

>>79769915
>What happens when Bran comes back this season?

They've going to conveniently sidestep ever having to address this problem by just putting Bran in a trauma induced stupor for no reason at all

>>79770286
Well they axed that detail because normies cant handle being reminded that anyone other than jon is important for any reason

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>>79770286
>he read the books

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>>79770229
His mom sealed the retarded alliance with Freys when they should've just let Blackfish in instead putting the disgusting Freys in place.

His mom wanted him to give Roose Bolton the whole fucking infantry when Robb specifically mentioned he doesn't trust Roose and wanted Glover instead.

His mom freed the fucking Kingslayer, the only thing preventing Tywin going full genocide mode.

His mom shunned Jon Snow, traumatized him which made Robb afraid to raise a bastard and have him as shunned and rejected as Jon.

His mom botched the fucking Renly/Stannis alliance when Renly literally says that he's OK with Robb calling himself king.

His mom did NOT want to legitimize Jon Snow. His mother is why Jon was sent to the wall. If Jon had ridden south with Robb, they would've been an unstoppable force of nature.

His mom started the fucking war based on half-truths and kidnapped Tyrion and brought him to her even more retarded sister.

His mom also got Ned killed by specifically telling him to trust Littlefinger when just prior to that, Ned had said he doesn't want to rely on Littlefinger.

Even in death, his mom is still fucking shit over for the Starks.

Catelyn Tully is without a doubt, the worst thing to have happened the Starks since the Mad King.

>>79770344
>he wakes up in time to help Sansa, learn R+L=J, AGAIN, and for Jon to come back

Bravo D&D

>>79770375
literally only freeing jaime is an actual fair point here
the rest is just hindsight

>>79770482
Nope. Most of it is fair. Because other characters in the books actually voice their concerns when Cat tells them about her retarded plans.

People shit on Edmure Tully but atleast he's good and not a condescending selfish bitch like Cat. There's a reason why Robb tells Cat to shut the fuck up in ASOS and puts her aside completely.

>>79770054
These are all soldiers from the coldest regions south of the wall. They have to wear something that doesn't make them freeze to death.

>>79770521
>that scene where Cat starts up with her "b-but Jon isn't my son he shouldn't be your heir" bullshit and Robb tells her to fuck off

book kino. wish it was in the fucking show

If Jon had managed to stay in Winterfell instead of taking the black, and rode South with Robb, could Robb have married Jeyne to him instead of marrying Jeyne himself?

Might also involve legitimizing Jon, so a highborn Lady, barely used, and the Stark name are pretty good offers

>>79770632
If Jon had ridden south with Robb, the whole war would've changed as Jon would've been placed in charge of the infantry and there would be no disgusting Boltons to send Northerners to their deaths. The whole war would've changed massively in favor of the Starks. And yes, Robb would've most likely legitimized Jon aswell in the process.

>>79770632
>Jon waits a few weeks instead of being autistic
>rides south with Robb
>joins Robb's Kingsguard and probably gets his head cut off when Jaime cuts through to try to end the battle

Would've been a really good story

>>79770521
not really; walder wasn't letting them across the bridge any other way. catelyn just tells robb not to send a stupid hothead like the greatjon to lead the infantry, he decides on roose (who he says creeps him out a bit, not distrusts) himself. ned probably never would've legitimised jon anyway, that's a easy way to fuck up your alliance with house tully, also jon actually really wanted to join the NW and lords arent expected to bring their bastards home with them anyway. she takes tyrion hostage because she understandably assumes the lannisters are all in league with each other and wanted some leverage. ned gets ned killed because he refuses renly's offer. im not sure what you meant by "botched renly/stannis alliance". that was stannis being autistic and baratheons being stubborn. it only really went wrong because renly died even then.
like i said, mostly just reader's hindsight

>books make it a point that Jon was just as good as Robb and even beat him sometimes which pissed off Cat
>books make it a point that Jon wants to be like Ned, but fails and tries to find his own way
>show Jon is an honorable dumbass white knighting goody two shoes swordsman

BRAVO

>>79770717
>Jon waits a few weeks instead of being autistic

Cat literally would not have let him, her and Ned discuss this

>>79770773
>show Jon is honorable and it almost gets him killed against that autistic knife faggot in Craster's Keep
>uses the knowledge he gained in that battle (cheating is sometimes necessary for the greater good) in the later seasons, for example against the cannibal in the battle for the wall

whoa...

>>79770788
yeah and ned was about to put his fucking foot down and tell her to deal with it, it's not like she can disobey him
then luwin interrupts and tells him jon wants to join the nw

>>79770660
he would not have legitimized jon because bran and rickon would still be alive, disgusting fucking jontard.

>>79770836
He calls her cruel but at the end of the day she'd have been left in charge when Ned is away and she would've sent Jon away

>>79768997
brienne the stronk womyn of the books/show gets her shit handed to her by two nobodies and gets her face half chewed off

>>79770482
What about going full retard and starting a war by kidnapping tyrion?

>>79770908
Unlike you and femtards grrm understands that a 'strong woman' doesn't mean 'a woman who can beat a man in a fight', you fucking aspie.

>>79770972
i dont get why people criticise that course of action so much
it's perfectly reasonable to assume that the lannisters are all in league with each other. so she tries to hide from tyrion, but when he sees her she knows that the fact she was in KL is now known to the lannisters. so instead of letting them off scot-free she takes a hostage. also there was no war until bob died, which wasn't predictable at all from her pov.

>>79771031
>a wife visits her husband in his work place
WOW SCANDALOUS!

>>79768314
:DDDDD

i appreciate this post

>>79769883
he was drugged and raped

>>79770375
She does a bunch of irrational emotional shit and has mixed political advice ie roose is bad - theon, freys, not marrying that slut, karstark are good. I say pretty decent characterization since you would expect her to only be mediocre.

>>79771025
Which was my point? The books aren't modern feminist. Which is what that tard was implying.

>>79770972
suggest an alternative course of action when one of the heirs to your house has a hit put out on them and you have good reason to believe you know which house is responsible for it

>>79770972
The first act of war was the assassination attempt on Bran.

>>79770010
>In the books, Robb Stark legitimizes Jon Snow as a trueborn son of Stark and therefore next in line for King in the North.

No. He only threatened to do this. It's not confirmed if he actually did.

>>79771090
Maybe NOT kidnap a member of the house known for going full REEEEE on the drop of the hat, while your husband is living in a city basically controlled by them? Wow, that was hard

>>79771090
to be fair she was pretty stupid to trust littlefinger when he was almost cut in half by her fiancee

>>79771066
if it was an actual visit she'd have a whole honour guard and shit
clearly it's meant to be secretive which tyrion could obviously see when he finds her in some inn

>>79771124
>the lannisters tried to kill one of your heirs
>the current lord of winterfell is therefore in enemy territory
>not getting a hostage so that they wont kill ned as well

brilliant

>>79771120
He did it. Galbart Glover has the letter. He never threatened anyone. He explicitly told Cat that what he was going to do out of respect for his mother.

>>79770880
Yeah unlike jonfags, Robb doesnt hate Catelyn, Bran, Rickon, or anyone else that potentially gets in jons way and wouldnt do out of character shit to undermine his family because he doesnt have a boner for jon stu, which is a difficult concept for projecting jonfags to grasp.

>>79771031
Her being in KL doesn't start a war. Also the in she met Tyrion is in the middle of the continent not near KL.
Kidnapping Tyrion starts a war. She was fucking retarded.

>>79771090
Don't act like a retard. Strike when you'll actually accomplish something that furthers your goals.

>>79771159
She only thinks the Lannisters tried to kill Bran because of Littlefingers lie. She's an idiot to trust him.

>>79771118
Joffery being autistic isn't the house declaring war.

>>79771232
>Joffery being autistic isn't the house declaring war.

are you fucking dumb? Why would anyone in universe think grrms copout bullshit answer to the assassination attempt storyline is what happened? why wouldnt any halfway intelligent person assume an attempt on a highborn heir to a major house was a calculated attempt and not just the doings of some autistic kid who just happened to conveniently overhear an unfortunately perfectly timed conversation and it was all just a big misunderstanding haha no big deal

>>79771183
He's threatening Cat. She calls it a clever trap or something.

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>>79771276
>why would we believe the author

Are you fucking dumb?

It also lines up thematically as both wars were started by the princes doing something stupid.

>>79771232
>She only thinks the Lannisters tried to kill Bran because of Littlefingers lie. She's an idiot to trust him.

Christ. I dont get why the game of shit fandom acts like this. Given the evidence presented to her and just basic common sense Cat would have been stupid NOT to think it was the Lannisters that did it. Good grief.

>>79771330
>Why would anyone in universe
>in universe

learn to read, retard

>jonfags crusading against Cat again thread

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>>79771368
she was right all along

>>79768785
>Read the books too many times over. The more you read, the more you realize Robb being far beyond anyone else of the Five Kings. His biggest mistake was allowing his dumb mother political influence. He eventually sets her aside but it comes too late.

Bad at politics. Great at leading an army mainly cause he had maphack.

>>79771368
I'm not a jonfag. I'm a robbfag, benjenfag and nedfag, but cat is pretty stupid nonetheless. Jon is ok, but not as good as my boy robb

>>79771299
No she doesn't. He explicitly tells her that "here is a written letter that legitimizes Jon as my heir, I'll give it to Glover". The letter was already written. Robb isn't one to lie.

>>79771353
Sorry I'm not going to carefully dissect everything some random anon says on the internet. My eyes glazed over at copout bullshit.

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>>79771412

"I left my wife at Riverrun. I want my mother elsewhere. If you keep all your treasures in one purse, you only make it easier for those who would rob you. After the wedding, you shall go to Seagard, that is my royal command." Robb stood, and as quick as that, her fate was settled. He picked up a sheet of parchment. "One more matter. Lord Balon has left chaos in his wake, we hope. I would not do the same. Yet I have no son as yet, my brothers Bran and Rickon are dead, and my sister is wed to a Lannister. I've thought long and hard about who might follow me. I command you now as my true and loyal lords to fix your seals to this document as witnesses to my decision."
A king indeed, Catelyn thought, defeated. She could only hope that the trap he'd planned for Moat Cailin worked as well as the one in which he'd just caught her.

>>79771330
>hey considering bran mysteriously had an "accident" while the lannisters were here and then there was an attempt on his life shortly afterwards, maybe we can connect some dots here
>....yeah it was probably just joffrey overhearing his dad talking about how bran would be dead lol

game of thrones fans actually think characters should think like this, wow

>>79771422
Holy fuck you illiterate moron, "in universe" came before "copout bullshit". Dont know what I was expecting from gormless jon stu fags

>>79771434
>She could only hope that the trap he'd planned for Moat Cailin worked as well as the one in which he'd just caught her.
The trap being that he's sending her to Seagard. The actual letter is real. He's telling his lords to fix their seals on it there and then.

>>79771340
The only "evidence" was Littlefinger's story. One that made no sense if she knew anything about Tyrion who would have never bet against his brother. It was a quick flimsy story he made up on the spot. Which is why he tried to cover his tracks and successfully murdered everyone who knew the truth, except Tyrion who kept escaping. Tyrion is dumb for not immediately killing him when he became hand.

>>79771438
Unless your name is jon snow, then everything you say and do is unquestionably right

>>79771438
I never said that fuckface. I was only responding to someone saying Bran's attack was the first act of war.
>>79771118
Since I'm not a mind reader and they gave no context I don't know if they're referring to characters perspective of events or readers.

>>79771465
>Tyrion is dumb for not immediately killing him when he became hand.
Why didn't he do it, i never undersood that. He knew that littlefinger tried to frame him and just lets it slide, despite being a vengeful little creep who's wished death on people for less than that. Like, what the fuck man?

>>79771434
>A king indeed, Catelyn thought, defeated

Confirming Jon was the heir, she wouldn't feel defeated at the thought of Robb being a king indeed otherwise, a callback to Robb saying he's king and doesn't need her to legitimize Jon

And the trap is Cat thinking her opinion matters when either way Robb will get what he wants and he now knows how stupid she is in clinging to Sansa, Arya and cousins in the Vale. Plus George has referenced the will as legitimizing Jon in a SSM

>>79768123
Am I the only one who assumed the point OP was trying to make was that Richard Madden, a good actor, should have played Jon Snow, while Kit Harrington, a bad actor, should have played [insert random extra] instead?

>>79771465
she thinks the lannisters did both before she even leaves WF
LF just confirmed her suspicions

>>79771510
Littlefinger is a laughably bad character who should have been killed by half a dozen supposedly ruthless people but instead survives purely through plot armor.

>>79771529
looking at the filename of OP's picture, i don't think he's talking about casting

>>79771510
Plot contrivance, ie, George's a terrible writer and needs characters to be retarded a times to move the plot

>>79771506
It WAS objectively the first act of war, joffrey bullshit aside. The heir to a great house almost gets assassinated in an already tense political climate and yes a war is going to start.

>>79771542
like who? he gets considered useful/benign for his usury talents

>>79771559
>The heir to a great house

More like a spare to a Great House tbph

>books hint that mustache twirling littlefinger was actually behind the assassination attempt
>nope littlefinger was just piggybacking off of the work of a kid so convenient it goes beyond suspension of disbelief into lazy fatfuck territory only grrmshills will defend

>>79771529
richard madden sucked

look at GoT actors getting picked up left and right for leading roles in meme shows now

Ramsay and Theon got leading roles just this week

richard madden has done shit

go to bed richard madden

@79771593
we get it jonfag youre desperate for attention, go make a thread on reddit about it

>>79771614
i thought he was pretty well-cast for robb
maybe it's just because the show had shit casting for just about everyone else so it looked good in contrast

>>79771628
>@
#EXPOSED

>>79771614
You mean roles in such hit films at Terminator Genysis and X-Men Apocolypse?

Madden meanwhile is sucking down that Netflix money.

>>79771607
>>books hint that mustache twirling littlefinger was actually behind the assassination attempt
No it doesn't, and such an idea is nonsense anyway as Littlefinger could never possibly have had the time to arrange such a thing.

>>79771657
>netflix money
What's he done for netflix besides klondike?

>>79771657
what the fuck?

he hasn't done literally anything since GoT

>>79771607
the retarded rushed ending to that storyline is George giving us just a small taste of how the series is going to end.

>>79771682
Cinderella was a huge hit, kitfag. stop being so mad that kit has no natural charisma and will never land another leading man role after got ends

>>79771687
actually it was a logical explanation that made sense, I hate Metal Gear Solid tier conspiracies

>>79771687
Never read the books, which sub-story are you guys talking about

>>79771682
>he hasn't done literally anything since GoT
Why lie so obviously?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medici:_Masters_of_Florence

>>79771724
The bran assassination plot you fucking mong

>>79771711
It wasn't logical at all, shill. It relied on bullshit coincidences and suspension of disbelief.

>>79771724
in the books Joffrey paid some guy kill Bran when was he was in a coma because he is twisted and thought it would impress his father

>>79771724
Who tried to assassinate Bran back in season/book 1.
Its such bullshit even Preston, Georges biggest cocksucker, can't defend it.

>>79771756
>Preston "everyone is either working for Doran Martell or is being mindcontrolled by Bloodraven" Jacobs doesn't like it
That's a good sign.

>>79771751
how?

>Joffrey takes one of his father's daggers
>gives it to a thug, commands him to assasinate Bran

>>79771756
>Its such bullshit even Preston, Georges biggest cocksucker, can't defend it.
that's a good sign, Preston is the worst theorist in ASOIAF fandom and the thing I most look forward to in TWOW is all his predictions being BTFO

>>79771724
The person who tried to attempt bran was nobody that would actually have a reason to want him dead because that makes too much sense. it was actually just joffrey, because he just so happened to overhear robert having a very conveniently timed conversation about how he felt sorry for bran living as a cripple and so joffrey hired an assassin to go kill bran because this isn't retarded and pointless at all.

>>79771786
Why the fuck would he give the dagger to a thug? That's the most retarded and contrived part in all of grrm's fiction i've only read asoiaf though

>>79771811
Reminder that he will argue that his theories were right based on what was written in the books and GRRM just changed his mind.

>>79771823
you sound extremely butthurt, not every plot thread needs to be a vast conspiracy

>>79771835
because he's like a 12 year old retarded sadist with daddy issues?

>>79771835
>Why the fuck would he give the dagger to a thug?
why wouldn't he? idiot

>>79771786
How the fuck is not idiotic? So were supposed to sympathize with woobie jaime for trying to kill a little kid because it was the 'smart' thing to do to protect his family, yet woobiebro does nothing to try to take out bran after he finds out hes still alive and still a threat? he suddenly becomes too morally sanctimonious to kill kids and just relies on the chance that bran wont tell anyone? fucking inconsistent moron should have just let bran go the first time

>>79771842
will you please stop shilling

>>79770375

I would even go further than that.

Name one female character who isnt constantly fucking up.

>Danny fucking up constantly

>Cersei fucking up constantly

>Sand Snakes fucking up constantly

>Lysa fucking up constantly

>Yara aka Asha fucking up constantly

The women in ASOIAF are rightfully shown as fuck-ups when given the chance to rule, or have power over others.

>>79771895
>So were supposed to sympathize with woobie jaime for trying to kill a little kid because it was the 'smart' thing to do to protect his family
what the fuck are you on about you idiot, it's just about who tried to have Bran assassinated, nobody cares about muh morals, kill yourself

>>79771852
I'm sorry but that's a bad explanation. Even a 12 year old retard wouldn't give an assassin a dagger for a job, because a dagger or a knife isn't some rare tool only nobiliy has access to. It only happened like that because grrm, has indeed written himself into a corner and just handwaved that plotline without giving it a second thought

>>79771895
>if you disagree with me you are a shill
embarrassing, leave the thread

>>79771924
You're an idiot, this is related. its not a "WHOAH CRAZY OTT CONSPIRACY" if it was jaimie or cersei who sent the assassin, its logical sense. If they tried to kill him the first time then why the fuck wouldnt they try to kill him the second time? You can tell grrm just changed his mind and wanted to turn jaime into le redeemable misunderstood heart of gold man

>>79771895
Shilling for who exactly? The Fat Man who will never finish another book? The show, which never even gave an answer to who sent the assassin after Bran?

>>79771959
You dont need to reply multiple times

>>79771935
>Even a 12 year old retard wouldn't give an assassin a dagger for a job
Joffrey demonstrates more than once he is an idiot who doesn't think about the consequences of his actions (Attacking Arya, executing Eddard Stark, starting a riot in King's Landing)

It's very much in his character to not think about the ramifications of giving an assassin a valyrian dagger

>>79771895
maybe he thought it would be stupid to try and kill a comatose child, because you know that might cause some serious tension and suspicion between the houses.

>>79770054
>Why dont they wear fucking helmets or proper armor?
1, to keep actor's faces as visible as possible. 2, because shit they design for the show is cheaper and most people don't know better.

>what era Game of Thrones is supposed to be resembling from history?
None. It's not really beholden to any specific period. They can do whatever the fuck they want.

>>79771964
Jaime and Cersei assumed he would die anyway, and nobody would believe his story anyway, better not to draw attention to him by sending an assassin

Cersei didn't even want Jaime to push him out the window, this plotline has nothing to do with either of them

You're just a butthurt retard with a problem with GRRM, stop reading the books if you hate them

>>79771964
>If they tried to kill him the first time then why the fuck wouldnt they try to kill him the second time?
Man, if only there was a scene where Jaime explained why, and said something like

>I won’t deny we talked of it, but you were with the boy day and night, your maester and Lord Eddard attended him frequently, and there were guards, even those damned direwolves... it would have required cutting my way through half of Winterfell. And why bother, when the boy seemed like to die of his own accord?

But alas, no such writing exists.

>>79772033
yeah and if bran woke up and told people what happened jaime and cersei would be dead so maybe that idiot should have thought of a way to do something about that

>>79772065
>nobody would believe his story anyway
so pushing him was pointless

>>79772071
>if bran woke up and told people what happened jaime and cersei would be dead
no they wouldn't, there were no witnesses or evidence. Nobody is going to kill the Queen or her brother based on some story by a crippled 8 year old

>>79771935
You have a point, it's probably a bit of stretch but I could easily see joffrey coming up with some reason like he thinks it will send a veiled message to the starks that will make them fearful of him. Or perhaps the dagger itself was how he payed the assassin?

>>79772065
I dont have a problem with GRRM i have a problem with this individual storyline, defensive fanboy.

>>79772083
Yes, if only we had a scene where Cersei complained to Jaime about how he never should have pushed him, something like:

>“He was seven, Jaime,” she’d berated him. “Even if he understood what he saw, we should have been able to frighten him into silence.”

But alas, no such writing exists.

>>79772083
>so pushing him was pointless
yes, Cersei explicitly told Jaime this, Jaime was being a retard and acted on his instincts rather than thinking things through

>>79772002
>trying this hard to defend bad writing with 'muh insanity'
Ok, i'll bite. So catlyn thinks that the assassin is sent by tyrion, right? Why hasnt she, or anyone fucking else for that matter, stopped and thought 'wait a second - tyrion isn't stupid, why would he give a dagger, that can easily lead to him, to an assassin? Why would he give a dagger to an assassin at all?' Is she also insane? Is tyrion insane? Is insanity a convinient explanation for every piece of contrived writing grrmfags come up with?

>>79772130
Jaime is a fucktard, is what youre saying

>>79772134
read my post again, I never once used the word "insanity", just stupid

and yes, Catelyn also demonstrates several times she is a dumb woman who acts mostly on her emotions

>>79772138
Yes, if only Jaime had a character arc focused on how he is forced to start thinking before acting, maybe by losing the very hand he used to push Bran out the window like:

>Sunlight ran silver along the edge of the arakh as it came shivering down, almost too fast to see. And Jaime screamed.

But alas, no such writing exists.

>>79772189
The books never say which hand he used to push Bran you dipshit. Stop memeing and grow up.

>>79772172
What about everyone else? Tyrion? Luwin? Ned? Robb? Are they all also conviniently stupid and blind to obvious logical holes in that hole argument?

>>79771909
name one character who isn't constantly fucking up.

at this point it's just like, the mysterious schemers

>>79772244
You're correct, Bran's chapter does not say which hand Jaime used. If only afterwards Jaime had given a remark on it, something like:

>I’ve lost the hand I killed the king with. The hand that flung the Stark boy from that tower.

But alas, no such writing exists.

>>79772245
>Tyrion?
he says that it doesn't make sense
>Luwin?
he says the Lannister were behind it, he was right, but it wasn't the Queen or her brothers
>Ned?
see Luwin
>Robb?
see Luwin

>>79772245
Actually i think that tyrion even mentions that to cat, which she ignores. I might be misremembering thing thouh since it's been a while since i've read the books

>>79772301
>he says the Lannister were behind it, he was right, but it wasn't the Queen or her brothers


yeah luwin cat and everyone else is soooooooooo stupid for not knowing right away that it was joffrey, i know *i* definitely knew right away that it was him, just like every other reader because its so obvious and makes so much sense in context, right bros? only dumb women wouldnt get it

>>79772301
None of that answers the question: why would the lannisters gave their dagger that can lead back to them, and why none of those people, save for tyrion who is promptly ignored, asks that question.

The answer is simple - grrm didn't know how to resolve that poorly written plotline so he chose to ignore it and rabid fanboys like yourself are bending backwards trying to defend it

>>79772372
yeah, you've lost this debate, see ya

>>79772390
Preston, please

>>79772390
Not an argument, do you feel dumb because as you were reading the assassination scene you didnt immediately think "of course, joffrey did this", like all smart people and characters do, and only dumb characters like cat wouldnt?

The whole fucking way GRRM handles Valyrian steel is bizzare. Like it's so rare that Tywin can't ever get his hand on a sword before one. But a knife of one is treated so carelessly? And then we get told there's actually hundreds of swords in Westeros?

>>79772377
>why would the lannisters gave their dagger that can lead back to them, and why none of those people, save for tyrion who is promptly ignored, asks that question.
because Joffrey did it and nobody, including the Lannisters, knew it was him

Catelyn asks both Tyrion and Jaime about it and they both deny it, and we know from their POV chapters they were innocent. What more do you want?

>>79772390
reddit as fuck post

>>79768746
>hat the King Who Lost the North should have done is bend the knee to Stannis

What he shouldn't have done is betray a man known to be the pettiest cunt in Westeros or trusting Theon to be his emissary to the Iron Islands

Robb lost because he was a naive boy

>>79772421
>But a knife of one is treated so carelessly?
it's not treated carelessly, it's one of Robert's personal daggers (you know, the king) Joffrey is one of the only people who could get access to it because he is the prince

>And then we get told there's actually hundreds of swords in Westeros?
no there's maybe a couple dozen of them, less than 100 valyrian longswords in Westeros

>>79772421
there are many swords but they are all family heirlooms and no one wants to give them up even for tywin's dosh. Logically you would think there should be a few daggers around too (maybe most of those have been reforged into swords at some point). The dagger is an oddity and that's specifically mentioned as part of why the assassin is extra suspicious

>>79772451
Here's a better question. The secret of Valyrian steel has been lost, but apparently reforging a sword into two smaller ones is no biggie? How the fuck does this even work?

>>79772475
>it's not treated carelessly, it's one of Robert's personal daggers

Robert only fucking has it because it's treated carelessly. Littlefinger has it even though again Tywin can't get any Valyrian steel, and then he pointlessly bets it on a joust.

>no there's maybe a couple dozen of them
Never mind, you're just a liar. Literal quote from the book: "Valyrian steel blades were scarce and costly, yet thousands remained in the world, perhaps two hundred in the Seven Kingdoms alone." Last post you get troll.

>>79768168
Jon Snow is a betacuck. I cant stand him in the show anymore. Should have stayed dead

>>79772134
They do make mention of how weird it is that the guy has the dagger as I recall. But what are the options for the starks to think, either it's lannisters, or some random psycho who had both the extremely rare dagger and no motive.

So from their perspective it's the only logical answer.

>>79772517
>Littlefinger has it even though again Tywin can't get any Valyrian steel, and then he pointlessly bets it on a joust.
Littlefinger is a gambler, get over it

>perhaps two hundred in the Seven Kingdoms alone
most of them are hidden or lost, only a few are accounted for

>>79772517
>normal houses have valyrian swords
>littlefinger's house only has a valyrian dagger
pottery

>>79772510
it's a fucking fantasy series m8, go take your autism medication

>>79772626
Why don't you explain it with 'muh stupidity' instead, grrmcuck?

>>79772626
>inconsistencies and plotholes are negated by the fact that the series is fantasy
no

>>79772510
valyrian steel is spellforged which is blood magic ie human sacrifice, so I'm guessing the ones that reforge it lack some aspect of that or can't get people to kill and use animals instead. Or maybe valyrians made literal spell-forges with blood sacrifice that burn super hot.

>>79772659
>>79772662
you know melting steel and reforging it is a simple smith practice right?

>I'm super honorable to the point it fucks me over
>except this one thing that mattered the most

>>79772659
>>79772662
it's implied Valyrian steel has magical properties

in other words, it's a fucking fantasy series, you autistic retards

>>79772662
It's not an inconsistency at all. They simply melted Ice and then reforged it into two swords.

>>79772695
im even supporting that guy's original criticism, im just saying that "duhhh it's fantasy you shouldn't expect logical consistency" is a dumb position

>>79772730
I'm *not* even, sorry

>>79772730
>>79772659
>>79772662
>/tv/ posters are too stupid to understand how melting steel and reforging it works
this is why nobody takes you seriously despite your nitpicking and complaining, you people simply aren't very bright

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>>79772700
>showfag doesn't realize Robb remained honorable throughout the war
He fucked Jeyne because he was wounded after a battle, he was mourning his dead brothers, his traitorous friend and also high on opium.

Upon sobering up, he realized he made a mistake and then decided to marry her because he didn't want to raise a bastard like Ned raised one. He had seen enough of bad shit happening to Jon that he didn't want any of that. Also he didn't want to spoil Jeyne by breaking her hymen and leaving her there.

Robb didn't marry out of love. If D&D weren't illiterate fucking jews, they would've realized this and made the marriage less about romance and more about duty and honor.

Fuck the show. And fuck showfags.

>>79772764
i just said that i wasn't claiming that the original guy's argument was valid, only that the first guy to respond to him had a dumb counter-argument

>>79772778
yes but having a bastard would have been better than getting himself, his mother and most of his men killed

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post yfw you realise robb was just an average jonfag

>>79772778
I can't tell whether the book is more stupid or the show desu

>>79772796
So are you arguing realpolitik now or honor? Because I was adressing the honor point. Robb was in fact honorable to a fault. As Tywin puts it, he is his father's son.

>>79772253

Were talking about rulers.

Sofar:

>Euron Greyjoy
>Reese Bolton
>Manderly
>Olenna
.
.
.

Theres plenty.

You have to see it within the context of what they CAN do. One thing is to be queen Cersei fucking up left and right. Another thing is to be the lord of a small fiefdom doing the right things.

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>>79772809
post yfw you realise op is a fag who's never experienced brotherly love and bonds that could never be broken by a whiny old hag

>>79772816
The book portrays Robb as one part young man who is in vulnerable position, in other a man who channels the wisdom and honor of his father.

The show portrays Robb as a fucking retard who does stupid shit for no reason but because he wants to tap the foreign Occupy Wall Street ass.

If you geniunely think the former is dumber, then the issue is you and not the books.

>>79772844
>reese bolton
>not fucking up
I'm not sure whether he's the biggest fuck up in westeros or if he truly doesn't give a shit about anything and just does whatever

>>79772860
But you see, Robb was a honorable man who didn't want to take the peasant's virginity for nothing so he married her

>>79772827
well I think honour is an abstract concept and is pretty dumb if it results in you and your family and army dying

but yeah I suppose Robb is honourable

>>79772891

Pretty sure hes the Warden of the North right now.

>>79772915
The one that's besieged from all sides and who himself admits that he's fucked up and gonna die soon?

>>79772915
warden of 1/2 the north*

>>79772955

The one who will probably win the battle of Winterfell?

>>79772961

A couple of Karstarks dont count as half.

>>79773037
>The one who will probably win the battle of Winterfell?
>winning a battle in which the only forces remaining loyal to you charge into a frozen lake that cracks under them and drowns them all
>winning a battle where Manderlys then sneak in Umbers and Stannis-loyalists under the guise of being surviving Bolton and Frey forces "à la" horse of Troy
>implying

>littlefinger is killed by Arya
When this happens in season 7, I hope the fanbase gets incredibly pissed

>>79773090
>implying roose wont win and but have only twenty good men left and then davos brings rickon and a cannibal holocaust to winterfell

>>79769915
>Why didn't Tommen's swimmers pollinate Margery? They banged like 1000 times
Margery stole some contraceptive stuff from the maesters. I forgot which episode this was shown or hinted.

>>79773117
But virtually everyone hates Littlefinger

>>79773090

Cmon, were having an adult conversation here. Drop the cancer buzzwords and greentext.

Bolton will kill Stannis.

>>79773129
In no episode, mate. You should lay off the milk of the poppy

>>79773192
Was it from the book?
Kinda getting confused now.

>>79773117
100% guaranteed they'll be one of those fucking clips of idiots watching in a bar and everyone will cheer.

>>79773226
she doesn't bone joff or tommen in the book

>>79773226
Tommen has never fucked Marge in the books.

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>>79773236
i can already see it happening

>>79773262
Triggered

>>79773262
>same people who cheered at Stannis' death

I hate them so much.

>>79773117
it'll be the top voted thread on reddit for at least 24 hours straight

>>79773262
NORMIES RUINING MY GOD DAMN SHITTY MEDIA REEEEE

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>>79773262
>that bitch snapping
>the slam pig who's always in front

>>79773262
>that silver haired slut went from straight to faggot between seasons 5 and 6

I've seriously shed tears over this

>>79773164
>Bolton will kill Stannis.
I don't at all see how that could be foreseeable.
George has apparently been quoted as wishing to contrive Stannis into a position where he sacrifices his daughter, and he won't be rid of him until he's done that with his character.

>>79773226
In the books, Pycelle does say that he's handed her some sweet-rea, which might mean she's been cheating on Tommen.
Or has been slipping it to one of her slutty cousins.

>>79769035
This.

Fuck Stannis and his autism, he caused this shit by refusing to be pragmatic

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Azor Jon! And his based hand Davos!

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STANNIS IS LE MANNIA

FUCK GAY JON MEMERS

S IS FOR STANNIS
T IS FOR TREMENDOUS
A IS FOR AMAZING
N IS FOR NICE
N IS FOR NICE
I IS FOR INCREDIBLE
S IS FOR STANNIS!

STANNIS! STANNIS! STANNIS!

>>79768417
>Books

They're not even canon you flaming homodorito