Why was New York so bad in the 1970s? I'm glad they cleaned it up

>>79762243

various factors caused the population of the city to decline starting in the late 60s , reaching a low around 1980. Less people = less tax revenue for the city. City goes to shit.

>>79763135
so they cleaned it up by adding lots more people?

>>79763135
There's like 6 million people there. I'm surprise there's no housing shortage

The lead in the gasoline made everyone crazy, nihilistic and violent back then.

>>79763203
They cleaned it up by electing a staunchly republican mayor who allowed his police force to stop and frisk minorities. Lo and behold it worked.

>>79762243
Its is a seven letter word that rhymes with figures.

>>79763288
its almost as if having law and order is a requirement for having a civilized society....

really makes you think

>>79763203
Not really. NYC had a string of terrible mayors, declining population, and terrible policies.

The biggest thing that helped fix NYC, was Rudy Giuliani. His tenure as mayor saw the biggest reduction in crime, biggest boost in quality of life, largest increase in revenue, and a total cleanup of NYC in general.

If NYC had been left to the democrats in the 90's, it would likely be in the same shape as other Dem controlled cities, like Chicago and Detroit. Instead, the city, while still incredibly expensive to live in, in drastically safer and more friendly than it was in the 30 years before the mid 90's.

Times Square used to be nothing but porno theaters, drug dealers, and whores. It was not a safe place to be at all. Central Park was one of the most dangerous places for a woman to be, especially at night, and muggings/rapes were fairly common. Today, Central Park is where yuppy milfs go to jog.

In general though, most big cities in the US were shit during the 70's- late 80's. NYC still has shit parts (Harlem, the Bronx, parts of Brooklyn), but like most cities, it's pretty much only bad wherever blacks and hispanics live.

>>79763258
This, there was a sharp decrease in crime rates around the country that followed the use of unleaded gasoline

>>79762243
white flight

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>>79763393
Um Trump says that the crime rate is higher than ever. Who am i going to believe, some random anon or The President hmmmm..............

80's NYC was also shit but it gave us a great hero.

bernie "have another" Getz

>>79763955

he never said that

>>79763393

i also wonder if cable tv had anything to with it, i think boredom causes a lot of people to go out and try to find things to do. now there is even LESS crime because kids just sit home online.

>>79764115
http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/07/politics/donald-trump-murder-rate-fact-check/

>>79762243
>I'm glad they cleaned it up

>>79764031
if yo squad flex
im lettin off like bernard goetz

>>79764031
literally did nothing wrong. god I hate kikes

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>>79762243
MOST BASED NEET OF ALL TIME

>>79763203
Kek what a retart

>>79762243

>ywn fuck a jaded, underaged prostitute in the 70s

why go on

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>>79764873
>CNN
need i say it anon?

surely i need not.

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>>79763322
Checked

>>79763393
damn, I always thought that was an urban legend

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>>79763387
Remember that episode of Seinfeld? Subways WERE that bad sometimes in NYC

>>79764999
Do you dispute that Trump ever said that?

>>79764999
https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/02/07/remarks-president-trump-roundtable-county-sheriffs
>THE PRESIDENT: And yet the murder rate in our country is the highest it’s been in 47 years, right? Did you know that? Forty-seven years.

>>79764031
>>79764934
>>79764958
This thread got me to read up on this, would love to see this adapted into an American Crime Story a la OJ.

>>79762243
New York is still the same shit hole as it ever was.

>>79765475
Flyover cuck detected

>>79764031
Was he /our guy/?

>>79765595
No, but thanks for playing.

Seriously though, New York is a dirty city filled with crime. If you don't live in the top 10% you'll have a shitty experience.

Since about 50% of white America arbitrarily decided to side with violent ghetto niggers in their """struggle""" against law enforcement things are backsliding rapidly. It hasn't been this bad here in Chicago in a long time.

Also like 20% of NYC is vacant apartments being held as havens by Chinese, Arabs and Russian technocrats, royals and party apparatchiks in case shit hits the fan back home or party politics decides its time for them to disappear.

>>79765717

Lived here my whole life and never been victimized by crime

>>79765835
And pray tell where in NYC have you lived your whole life?

>>79765038
Nah. Shit was very real and actually kind of frightening if you do a little delving into the subject. It's even proposed lead could have been a major contributing factor to the fall of Rome because literally everything was made with lead, the pipes for water, the dishes you ate off of, and they even knew lead was bad back then but it was so easy to work with and find.

Plastics are our generations lead gasoline, nearly fucking everything is encased in plastic at some point and BPA and other chemicals from plastic production seep into food. The shits basically fucking with humanities genetics it's so prolific! So much plastic has ended up in the ocean and slowly broken down releasing toxins into the ocean were seeing species of fish have the numbers of males produced drop dramatically to where it keeps going there will be no more males and we have an extinction event,and that's just scratching the surface.

We don't even know what's going to happen with those Fukushima reactor rods that is supposedly a worse disaster than Chernobyl and could be leaking massive amounts of rads into the ocean.

I'm gonna stop ranting now.

>>79762243

because of niggers

and you know the real reason crime dropped? because they legalized abortion lmao

so 20 years later the young men from broken homes that commit crime just didn't exist

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>>79765908
>Accidentally hit the exclamation point nullifying everything I posted

>>79765717
>literally flyover cuck who has never been outside lf his little turd town
If youve never lived in either la or new york youve missed out

>>79765947
Abortion is a good reducer of poverty, crime and black people in general. Too bad /pol/ is too evangelical to support it

Broken window theory

>>79763387
Why are democrat and liberal controlled states all wealthier, healthier and larger contributors to national gdp than republican controlled "business friendly" states? Ive never understood

>>79766091
because Republican controlled states cut government programs & services and people leave.

>>79765835
>>79765889
Same here and I've lived in Brooklyn my whole life

>>79763387
>dude stop and frisk lmao
Literally no evidence it has ever worked in any city ever yourr literally a parrot

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2014/12/03/new-york-has-essentially-eliminated-stop-and-frisk-and-crime-is-still-down/?tid=a_inl-amp&utm_term=.dfe2c8b3a0d7

I lnow youll bitch about "hurr its fake news if it isnt breitbart" but you literally cant refute anything in the article or its statistics. Crike was declining before and after guiliani, at the same rate, regardless of whether stop and frisk was employed, and has continued to stay down without it

>>79762243
>cleaned it up

No, it just all went to Florida instead.

>>79763211
There is massive housing shortage.

An one bedroom apartment in midtown wouldn't go for $5,000/mo if there were enough housing.

after civil rights
before gentrification

>>79762243
De Niro is a hack and a phony!

>>79763387
Pro tip: L.A. saw similar decline in crime at the same time as Giuliani, but they didn't have a draconian "touch-on-crime" mayor like NYC did.

It was the general decline in violent crimes across the country in the 90s that fixed NYC (there are speculation that the previous rising wave of crime from the 50s to 80s was due to lead paint and leaded gasoline -- people who became turned adult in the 90s were the first in many generations to grow up in very low lead environment). Giuliani just took credit for it.

>>79765717
Another Jew Yorker here.
I've lived here for twenty years.
I've never even been mugged.

>>79766321

Its demographic shift. There are fewer males under 30 as a proportion of the population.

>>79766321
the decline of violent crimes in the 90's is directly related to the legalization of the abortion in the 70's

>>79766091
Large urban areas import lots of slave labor whom then go on to lock down the region's politics with GIBSMEDAT Democrat policies.

>>79766321
>I can't possibly accept that a Republican mayor allowing police to do their jobs was responsible a massive drop in crime
Quit being a cuck. There's a reason the crime rate in NY has been steadily and rapidly rising since DeBlobbyo took office. Giuliani's policies were directly responsible for NY being cleaned up, and Bloomberg was smart enough not to fuck with them when he took office.

>>79766091
Because their genius system doesn't really work for large populations unless they're already heavily industrialized like texas or extremely poor like oklahoma(haha just kidding they suck at everything). For any middle of the road state like washington/ state with a varied economic system like california dem policy works out fine

>>79766321
Why is "tough on crime" supposed to be a bad thing now?

>>79766443

The crime rate declined similarly in every western nation.

>>79766091
Geographic location is pretty much the only reason. There's also no such thing as a liberal state except Massachusetts.

>>79764999
reactions like this are pretty sad to be honest.

sign of the times.

>>79763387
I've heard that this is bullshit since crime all over the US was reduced at the same time because of lead reduction and Guiliani just took credit for it. I'm not sure I entirely buy it but the study was really interesting. You should read it.

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>>79766207
It's fake news

>>79766510
Because it doesn't stop crime and just leads to more and more tax money supporting the largest prison population that has ever existed in history as they lock up more and more people for arbitrary reasons that could be dealt with in cheaper ways that actually stop recidivism

>>79765974
>youve missed out

on getting accosted by homeless niggers

>>79765038
Lead contamination is a serious fucking issue m8. It's one of the reasons Rome collapsed.

>>79766514
Giuliani must have done a really good job then

>>79763288
Memenomics places the true cause to blacks aborting their babies. Less blacks less crime

>>79765908
Solid lead is pretty safe, especially in roman times. Lead pipes are only bad now because there's tons of chlorine in municipal water and chlorine will bond with the lead and dissolve it into the water. Leaded gasoline was really bad because the lead aerosolized with the gasoline fumes and car exhaust.

Plastics are generally okay. BPA is a fucking atrocity though. The shit literally dissolves at fucking room temperature, but the manufactures think that's just fine because refrigeration lol! Even though most BPA products will not be stored at temperatures below 72F for their entire lifetime.

>>79766792
A ton of shit happened all at once, really. Kinda hard to set down one cause.

Of course half the positives were fucked back by shipping all the jobs to third world countries.

>>79766091
Because you are comparing Minnesota and Vermont to Mississippi and Alabama and choosing to believe the difference between these places is who the governor is

>>79765717
Jew Yorker here,only found violence when I wanted to find it.

>>79766650
>It's one of the reasons Rome collapsed.
Details please. If people were losing their minds among the decaying architecture of glorious Rome in the final days due to lead in the water, my god, that is an absolutely incredible mental image.

>>79768386
Just use google you fucking mong

>>79766340
congrats on living in one of the safest cities in the world

>>79766387
you mean the end of leaded gasoline

http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2016/02/lead-exposure-gasoline-crime-increase-children-health

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>>79762243
>I'm glad they cleaned it up

>Nigs
>Gas crisis
That's it

>>79770018
The only Jones I trust is Alex. Get a better source or fuck off.

>>79762243
I think it was great for grown ups with vices but bad for families and normals

I have no desire to visit a sterile commercial center. Why? What are you going to buy that you can't buy online? You want to walk around a crowded street surrounded by tourists just for the hell of it

Pointless.

>>79770018
Why not both? There were multiple factors that led to increases in crime in the 60s, 70s, and 80s. Just like there were multiple factors that led to its decline as well

>>79770494
>doesn't trust chuck jones looney tunes animation
Remove yourself

>>79763135
It's basically what happened to Detroit.

Of course now when a city starts to get better it's "Fucking White People."

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>>79764999
Nice little girl killer you posted there, anon

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>>79763387
>Times Square used to be nothing but porno theaters, drug dealers, and whores. It was not a safe place to be at all. Central Park was one of the most dangerous places for a woman to be, especially at night, and muggings/rapes were fairly common.

Best timeline Tbh

>>79770672
>may have been
solid journalism

>>79770672
planned by obama, approved by trump.

obama has killed way more children than trump.

>>79770999
>making excuses for a killer of children

you are deplorable

>>79770672
every president of the united states is a child killer, that's what being a super power entails

>>79770999
Obama didn't execute it, and for good reason.

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>>79770672
>media goes apeshit over this
>Obama has been droning kids for 8 years and everyone just dismisses or ignores it

>>79770999
What's the children killed to days in office though?

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>>79770595
>It's basically what happened to Detroit.

No, that's not what happened to Detroit. The Soviet sponsored American Left continually agitated and stirred up trouble throughout the country but especially in Detroit until it boiled over in the 1967 Riot, which lead to Coleman Young getting elected mayor in 1973.

Immediately after which, Detroit plunged into the toilet when one of the mayor's first acts was to reduce the residency term to get welfare to only six months, which cause a veritable flood of Blacks from Down South to move to Detroit, where they'd crashed on a friend or relative's couch until they could sign up for a whole raft of tax payer funded welfare.

This then resulted in thousands of jobless Blacks hanging out with nothing to do except mug and burglarize their White neighbors when they went to work and because of the 1967 Riot, the Detroit police couldn't / wouldn't do anything to stop the insane crime wave washing over the city.

Whites had no choice but to flee from the city, selling their homes for pennies on the dollar, which were snapped up by the (((usual suspects))) who then rented them out to the ever increasing number of Blacks on welfare.

Within 10 years, Detroit went from a 1st world city (it had come in 2nd place to hose the 1968 Olympics) to a 3rd world shit hole.

>>79768234
Alright then, why is Mississippi so shit?

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>>79770999
Really, Obamafag? We'll just have to see about that. Challenge accepted!

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there is literally nothing wrong with child murder, do as the romans did and more I always say

>>79771578

Mississippi will always be shit. It was shut during the civil war it will be shit when we're dead and gone.

Nothing can fix Mississippi.

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>>79763288
Crime is on the rise, now that they can't stop and frisk blacks and latinos.

>>79765102
Leon Carosi fell on hard times after Zack bought out the Malibu Sands Beach Club and fucked Kelly every night on the beach.

>>79771694
I know that, I asked why you think its that way

>>79771713
its actually holding pretty steady near record lows

whatever your feelings were about stop and frisk it was deemed unconstitutional so its moot anyway

>>79771904
Well leaving behind the fact that I'm not that guy the answer is southern states naturally lagged behind northern states development and settlement wise due to climate and disease problems. Why is Mississippi worse than say, Alabama? Alabama had natural mineral deposits and rivers that made excellent methods of travel all converging in Mobile bay.

Mississippi had none of that. The Mississippi river delta flows through Memphis and New Orleans, making Mississippi itself just a bypass route on the way down and it lacked anything to make industrialization in the state lucrative.

Mississippi just got dealt a real bad hand.

>>79772018
Also Mississippi's coastal regions are just shit and weren't suitable for any form of port. Even the shipyards in Pascagoula are supported by the port over in Alabama.

>>79771578
What's the difference between Minnesota and Mississippi populace?

>>79771503
>>media goes apeshit over this
lol literally where?

as far as I can tell, it's being kept under wraps

>>79772078
I actually heard about this and I do my best to stay away from """national news""""

Was like 6 weeks ago

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>>79762243
It's weird to think that New York was almost bankrupt in the 70s and a complete shithole as a consequence, rather like Detroit. Putting up the WTC against that backdrop required some brass balls, but it helped.

Also movies from that time had a hell of a lot of character with that mess as a backdrop.

>>79763258
Lo and behold, if you Google "police shooting range + lead" there's a massive lead contamination at police gun ranges. Lead correlates with irrational, violent behavior and diminished learning capacity. 1970s America, 2010s police rioting and berserkers.

>>79772126
Death Wish was probably the first exposure I had to how shit New York was back in the day.

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>>79763393

>>79772095
well, I avoid that shit completely and only heard it through 4chan

>>79772126
To expand on this, the reason new york looks great now is the culmination of a bunch of things, but one reason stands out above all others imo. By 1975, things got so bad that the new york government was gonna shut down due to lack of tax revenue unless the banks made an investment in bonds. The banks decided to hold the city hostage until it gave into the demands of policy positions they wanted passed. They gave the city money, installed their own administrators and have been governing new york policy ever since. This was a template that worked in many other investment bank centered cities aswell.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felix_Rohatyn#New_York_City_fiscal_crisis

>>79772167
Mine too. I'm sure part of the reason the movie succeeded was because of where it was set. Rewatching it these days you realize the story is pretty crap but the whole thing does have a weird, oppressive atmosphere.

>>79772347
On a social level it's shocking to think that a city would have to, in effect, be bought out by ruthless commercial entities. It goes against the grain of how we think a society should be, but then without their ruthlessness the whole city, and then probably the state, would've become like something out of Judge Dredd.

>>79771503
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndFKUKHfuM0

watch that video entirely.

the us military is doing things right now that could secure our position as world leaders for the next 50 years. We are essentially evolving to the next step of modern warfare and you want to stop because terrorists hide civilians with them while they sleep. absolutely preposterous. if civilians didnt want to be bombed they should not have been with them in the first place.

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>We will never have a Mafia game in 70's NYC since mafia 3 killed the franchise
just end it all

>>79772638
jesus that sound is terrifying. wonder if that was intentional.