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How much fucking better would Class be if Ram had a K9 unit

like the least the Doctor could've done was given one of them a sonic device or something

>>79760192
>How much fucking better would Class be if Ram had a K9 unit
Or the thing in Quill's had is actually K9 Mark V.

>Mistress, I calculate a 97% probability that you are considering rendering that student permanently inoperable. Note that this would be contrary to your sentence and this unit would be forced to evaporate your brain.
>Shut up, K9. I was only fantasizing.
>Sorry, Mistress.

>>79750307
>I've never understood exactly what a "writers' room"
I worked in writers rooms in the 90s.

You hire a room full of staff writers—mostly people who seem talented and wrote a decent spec script, but don't have the established credits to make a living working freelance. There are a lot of these in LA, and standard guild rules for hiring them. In the UK, nobody's ever done it, at least not formally, which is why Chibnall had to go to the Guild and ask whether he could do it, and it's not clear who he'd be able to find (could he steal people out of the BBC writers' training program?).

They're led by a lead writer, who may or may be (one of) the showrunner(s).

There are still outside commissions, which work the same way they do in Doctor Who today—but instead of the showrunner polishing (or completely rewriting, if RTD) each script, the writers room does it collaboratively. Everyone reads the script, then there are brainstorming sessions on ideas to improve it. Assuming it doesn't get sent back, staff writers are assigned to punch up parts of the script that the lead writer thinks they'd be good at.

There are also usually scripts written by the lead writer/showrunner, and they go through the same process, but generally they don't get changed as much.

Meanwhile, the staff writers are expected to pitch episode ideas, both in brainstorming sessions and in formal pitches. If one of them is promising enough, the lead writer will assign someone (usually the one who pitched it, of course) to draft it, and then it goes through the same process. On ensemble shows, they usually combine the A-story from one pitch and the B-story from another, but that probably wouldn't happen on Who.

If late rewrites are needed because something isn't working out in rehearsal or even filming, sometimes those go to staff writers as well.

>>79750307
>might make quality control better (no Forest of the Night tier flops) but could also hurt individuality and make things more homogenous
Yes.

For example, watch S5 of NewsRadio--whenever Jon Lovitz and Andy Dick fight, it always sounds very similar, no matter who wrote the episode. That's because Other Mike got a rep for being good at Jon-Andy fights, so if a script had one of them, more likely than not Other Mike would be assigned to punch it up.

That makes the characters more consistent. And it means the scenes are always funny, even if the main writer didn't get the Jon-Andy dynamic. But it also means there's much less chance of getting something brilliantly different.

But even if that weren't a danger, I don't think Doctor Who should go all the way over to an American-style process at once. Having a much more active lead writer (whether that's Chibs himself or not), and maybe even doing the old BBC model of a powerful script editor at the same time as the writers room, would let them get some of the benefits of the American process without most of the risks.

The real risk is that British writers aren't used to working with a writers room. How does someone like Toby Whithouse take it when his dialog is changed, not by the genius in charge of the show, but by some scrub who's working for Guild minimum? For that matter, does that scrub actually feel confident enough to change the work of a real professional writer as much as it needs to be changed? So, it could all end up being a waste of time and money.

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>>79760034
DWM NuWho-era mini-recap of K9&Co >>> actual pilot.

>>79760324
The ratings would have literally tripled if they brought K9 into it, too.
Which STILL isn't great, but you get what I'm saying.

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>>79761769
But K9 is for kiddies. and Class is for people who are old enough to hate kiddie stuff but not old enough to like kiddie stuff again (nor old enough to think "muh teen angst" and "omg those two hot guys are having sex" are not necessarily hallmarks of "mature audiences" TV).

>>79760192
Now that I think about it, there's not a lot of shows that wouldn't be improved by just adding K9.

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Don't forget to visit /lbg/>>79756685

>puts Class on web only BBC3 and a shitty time slot on BBC1 with abysmal promotion
>Puts Doctor Who on 1 year hiatus
>barely any promotion for Mysterio and Series 10

So is the "Doctor Who Cancellation" plan real?

>>79762515
I'm of the conviction that K9 isn't just for kids. He has this sardonic quality that John manages to pull off really well. I wanna see K9 employed more while John's still around.

There's also just something ironic about the way that K9 looks. It's got this retro sort of vibrant thing going on, but if he were in a dark-filtered setting (I'm thinking of those scenes from Class's "Nightvisiting" episode that were set outside at night) then that would contrast with it to the point of ironic comedy.

>>79763433
deadass

>>79763603
>So is the "Doctor Who Cancellation" plan real?
I hope so. I want to write a Doctor Who novel for the Wilderness Years 2.0

>>79763750
..fuck. Me, too.

I really hope that whomever the show ends with is a cool Doctor to write for.

>>79763847
>I really hope that whomever the show ends with is a cool Doctor to write for.
Personally, I want to write for the War Doctor and think that's untapped potential. The best book ranges are when the books are essentially primary canon, and can do whatever they want. Like 7th and 8th Doctor. As far as I can see, that's what the War Doctor is now. It's like a completely blank era that you can fill with any characters/story arcs you want.

But of course, if the show got cancelled you wouldn't need that anymore.

>>79763920
Big Finish handles it really nicely, but doesn't get too risky with it (I haven't listened to the final volume yet). I also haven't read the books, of which there are few.

I hope that there's a sense of checks and balances between mediums like BF and novels in the wildy 2.0 because I hate the lack of universal continuity that we've had.

Look at us, talking about the end of NuWho like it's a thing of fact.

>>79763685
>I'm of the conviction that K9 isn't just for kids.
No, he's not. But he's "kiddie" enough that most teens won't want to admit they like him, until they go to uni and realize they can pretend to only like him ironically so it's all cool.

>>79763920
Nope BF's War Doctor is the biggest trash. Only volume 4 shows even any sign of being better.

>>79764116
>BF's War Doctor is the biggest trash
frank offerino

>>79764116
>Only volume 4 shows even any sign of being better.
Have you listened to it?

>>79764125
I listed to three volumes and what I got out of it was a whole bunch of shit that I don't give a fuck about. Dark Eyes was far better than this and more experimental to boot.

>>79764146
I've listened to E1. The ending and the beginning were good but I must have tuned out in the middle.

>>79763603
>So is the "Doctor Who Cancellation" plan real?

>BBC's #1 bullet point in their 2015 report to Parliament was the record-breaking ratings of Doctor Who S9 in most overseas markets, including America.
>BBC's #1 bullet point in their 2016 report to Parliament was the unprecedented Amazon Video deal for Doctor Who.
>Overseas merch sales are higher than ever.
>Domestic merch sales, while not quite recovered to 2010 levels, are the highest they've been in the Moffat era.

Yeah, I'm sure they want to cancel it.

>>79764020
>Big Finish handles it really nicely, but doesn't get too risky with it
It's surprising how tame they've been, considering what they've done with much less wide-open gaps to work with. 8 didn't get all the experimental stories and radical character development; they also did it for 6, 5 and Peri, and 7 and Ace (which might seem more open-ended, but remember that, at least initially, their stories were explicitly set before the NAs). So why doesn't War get any of that?

I think it's because Moffat was right in the first place, and the Time War is a boring setting. What's cool about it is that it's not just a war but a time war, and this makes it incomprehensible to lower life forms like us. So, as soon as you make it comprehensible to lower life forms like us, you've ruined it.

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A new thread, a new reminder

>>79764116
>Nope BF's War Doctor is the biggest trash
Why'd you (you) me for this? I was saying that the War Doctor era is untapped potential for a novel range, BF doing poorly with the War Doctor doesn't change this at all.

>>79764020
>I hate the lack of universal continuity that we've had.
Why?

That lack of universal continuity is what made the Eighth Doctor so interesting. Imagine if the novels couldn't do Interference or Father Time because it would screw with the audios too much.Or if DWM had to go with Stacy and Ssard instead of Izzy for continuity with RT. And stories like Tomorrow Windows or Caerdroia would never have even been dreamed up without the conflicting stories being an issue.

>>79764658
>Ssard
Just realized something: Hello, Victorian England. I'm a lizard person from Mars, and this is my girlfriend, Stacy. All Moffat did was make him a different lizard race and female. See, he doesn't just copy the EDAs.

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>tfw Gareth can stay awake longer than /who/

>>79766022
>turning into

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>>79766986
who the fuck is samantha

>>79767375
Samantha Briggs from The Faceless Ones

>>79764197
>BBC's #1 bullet point in their 2015 report to Parliament was the record-breaking ratings of Doctor Who S9 in most overseas markets, including America.
>BBC's #1 bullet point in their 2016 report to Parliament was the unprecedented Amazon Video deal for Doctor Who.
>Overseas merch sales are higher than ever.
>Domestic merch sales, while not quite recovered to 2010 levels, are the highest they've been in the Moffat era.

Holy fuck. If this is true (and I've no reason to believe it isn't), why all the bad press for the show in the UK?

"Peter Capaldi leaps to defence of Doctor Who's Tardis brain-twisters:
While moving from the traditional teatime slot has hit viewing figures, merchandise sales have also taken a dip as the show has become simply too brain-teasing for younger viewers".

http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/peter-capaldi-leaps-defence-doctor-9306509

>>79767705
>Why all the bad press for the show in the UK?
1. S9's UK ratings really were as bad as its US (and MX, ZA, etc.) ratings were good.

2. Doctor Who's viewership in the UK (and maybe a few other places like AU and NZ) may well be a lot more dependent on children, or entire families, than in most overseas markets, so there could be something to the "Moffat is driving away kids" argument.

3. There's a weird sort of group-think within the limited sphere of UK entertainment news. Once a presenter hears a more famous presenter say give an opinion on TV or, worse, at a party, he will almost invariably give the same opinion himself. (And RTD used to manage that groupthink by going to all those same parties; Moffat doesn't.) So, we could well see a consensus around that argument even if there isn't actually anything to it.

>>79767900
OK, makes sense.

>>79760379
>>79760565
Really interesting stuff, thanks for all this. It doesn't sound like it'd be right for Who - I think the current situation works well enough.

>>79763603
>barely any promotion for Mysterio
I honestly think this is a good thing. No-one who isn't an ardent Who fan would look at a trailer for that and think "yes, this will be a good way to spend an hour of my time".

>>79764109
If a teenager is willing to admit they watch a Doctor Who spinoff, they'll be willing to admit that they like K-9.

>>79768069
>I think the current situation works well enough.
Except for the year off between S9 and S10, the rushed finales for S2-4 and S6, Moffat's increasing crankiness and blowups, and the fact that there's probably no one better than Chibnall available to take the show over…

I don't necessarily think the US model is the right answer—as I said originally, I think even if they do it, they should only go part-way. But I think it would be an worthwhile experiment if Chibnall really wants to try it. (Remember that all we know is that he had one brief convo with the then-head of the Guild last summer…)

>>79760565
>>79760379
For some reason I want to point out that Sarah Dollard is familiar with writer's rooms. She started her career as an intern in Neighbours' writing room and spent 4 years there. So at least one Doctor Who writer would not find the change challenging.

>>79768367
Why not just have two showrunners?

>>79768368
Interesting. I know very little about Australian TV, but I guess I stupidly just assumed without checking that it worked a lot more like the UK than the US.

Also, from what I've heard, even in the UK, soaps have often sort of approximated a writers room without officially having one, which means people like Gareth, Lance Parkin, Rebecca Levine, etc. would probably get the hang of it pretty quickly.

>>79766986
>Jamie straight up ditches her for more time and space adventures
Hell of a choice. She was pretty cool, too.
Still, space bros before hos.

What level Doctor Who fan are you? Here's the revised list.

>Level 0
Not a fan. Don't consume any Doctor Who

>Level 1
Casual watcher of either Classic or New Who but not both.

>Level 2
Casual watcher of both Classic and New Who

>Level 3
Active watcher of Classic or New Who but don't bother with other media

>Level 4
Active Watcher of Classic and New Who and dabble in other media (Audios, Comics, Novels) or spin offs (Class, Faction Paradox, Torchwood, the David Tennant era).

>Level 5
Active watcher of Classic and New Who; Active interest in other media or spin offs.

>Level 6
Versed enough in Doctor Who to get picky with authority.

>Level 7
True Hatred of all things Doctor Who.

> Level 12
Lawrence Miles

> +1 Level
Post on a forum.

> +1 Level
Post on Day /who/.

>> +2 Levels
Post on Night /who/.

>>79768429
>Why not just have two showrunners?
Sure. The potential for ego conflicts and responsibility conflicts might be a problem, but with the right people, it might not.

Or, alternatively, a separate executive producer and lead writer—which has a different ego problem in that you then have to find a writer who wants to be #2 rather than #1 on the show, but I think that's less serious. (Reminder that Jamie Mathieson turned down a showrunner position to be lead writer instead for the French Heavy Metal series.)

>>79767602
Heaven Sent now has 9.6 on IMDB

>>79768611
>tfw 4+2 levels

>>79768611
what level is "not autistic"?

>>79768599
>Hell of a choice. She was pretty cool, too.
>Still, space bros before hos.
My headcanon is that Jamie had a premonition that he'd meet Victoria next week.

>>79768611
Level 4

>>79768684
>what level is "not autistic"?
You're posting on /who/. That means that neither you nor anyone you know could possibly qualify for any level that counts as not autistic.
Any level that includes posting on /who/ is autistic.

>>79767900
I (in NZ) torrent the episodes before they even air in NZ because I didn't want anything spoiled. Although now days its only a day or so behind it used to be a week

>>79768666
I should point out that this means the MAJORITY of the 5,343 users who reviewed it gave it a 10/10. Truly GOATer than GOAT.

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>>79768666
Heaven Sent has been 9.6 on IMDB for awhile now.

>>79768611
Level 10 sounds... fair.
He said, wrapping his season 18 scarf more tightly around his neck to fight the sudden chill running up his spine.

>>79768742
Oops, forgot to +1, level 5.

>>79768712
>My headcanon is that Jamie had a premonition that he'd meet Victoria next week.
I like that, but mine is that Jamie just assumed Samantha would join him and the Doctor after she saved her brother, and at the last second, he realized they'd never asked her, and it turned out she had no intention of coming along, and he hadn't prepared himself to deal with that.

So, exactly the same thing that happened to Mac Hulke and Peter Bryant when they realized they'd forgot to ask Pauline if she wanted a permanent role on the show as Samantha and she had no intention of joining so they had to hastily edit the last episode's script.

>>79768543
Despite being Australian myself, I don't really know much about Australian TV either. But after watching Face the Raven I read a bunch about Dollard and here's roughly what I remember:

Neighbours used to have a year-round program where they'd accept interns into their writer's room (it's now limited to like 1 month a year or something). And the writer room process would be that every week they'd all sit down with a blank whiteboard and come up with that week's plotlines/stories, and each episode would be handed off to a scriptwriter to turn it into a script. The interns in the writer's room basically had to try and keep their heads above water, and if they kept managing to contribute enough then eventually they were promoted to permanent positions. Dollard was a script editor for a few years.

Honestly, personally there's nothing more I'd want right now than to sit in on a writer's room. I don't care what show it would be, just anything. I think it would just be such a great way to learn and get experience.

>>79768755
>I (in NZ) torrent the episodes before they even air in NZ because I didn't want anything spoiled.
I used to do that, but then I realized that very few episodes, and generally not good ones, are actually spoiled at all by spoilers.

Which should have been obvious from the fact that the best ones are usually even better the second time you watch them, but somehow Moffat fooled me into thinking otherwise.

So now I just torrent them before they air because I'm impatient. :)

>>79768611
Level 12 desu

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>>79768611
l'm at 6 and Post on forums

but I am in the opposite time zone for the Day/Night but I usually go in and out of the /who/ general whenever I am at my computer

So 6+3

>>79768666
that is depressing

>>79768666
davison BTFO

>>79768765
Reviews like this one are probably the reason it's 9.6 instead of 10/10.

>Worst episode ever. From start to virtually the end this episode was a pile of rubbish. The only good part was seeing the Doctor on Gallifrey, right at the end, for like 5 seconds. There have been very few Episodes of Doctor Who that I didn't like, only 1 or 2 that I hated before this, but this episode, I just despised it. This episode featured 2 main characters, how can you enjoy an episode with 2 real characters, the Doctor and that Monster that hardly posed a threat, because it's as quick as a snail.

>Where were the clues the first time he was sent there? Where? I want to know. As he left them there for himself, they couldn't have been there, so the answer to my question would be, exactly you figured it out, all by yourself, now isn't that nice, nowhere. Absolutely nowhere. And if you say that they were already there, then why, did, the, Doctor, have, to, leave, clues, for, himself? I just do not understand at all, how people can enjoy this episode.

>>79769219
what a pleb

>>79769219
Well nothing on IMDB will ever have a 10/10 average, at least not if many people have seen it, because that would mean literally everyone gives it 10/10.

>>79769263
Ozymandias

>>79769326
Of course, I forgot about rounding. Damn, I should really watch Breaking Bad one of these days.

>>79768957
>Honestly, personally there's nothing more I'd want right now than to sit in on a writer's room.
How old are you? If it's not too late, go to a university with an industry-focused creative writing program. That makes everything a million times easier.

If it is too late, then you have to teach yourself everything you would have learned, force yourself to take on writing workshops, figure out how to get yourself an agent, then (since you will be the lowest priority for a newbie agent) do most of the agent's work for them.

My favorite trick is probably no longer relevant, but just in case: Hang out with writers to get all the gossip before it gets to the trade mags. If a show just got renewed unexpectedly, or, even better, uncanceled after being canceled, they'll have vacancies, so have your agent send your spec script over.

>>79769219
>Where were the clues the first time he was sent there? Where? I want to know. As he left them there for himself, they couldn't have been there, so the answer to my question would be, exactly you figured it out, all by yourself, now isn't that nice, nowhere. Absolutely nowhere. And if you say that they were already there, then why, did, the, Doctor, have, to, leave, clues, for, himself? I just do not understand at all, how people can enjoy this episode.
That's a good point tho

>>79769621
>How old are you? If it's not too late, go to a university with an industry-focused creative writing program.
I'm 24, but I start Uni in 2 days and I'm majoring in creative writing and TV/film. So I'm doing it, even if I am a bit late.

I think one of my country's broadcasting companies accepts interns, provided they're studying. And I could always try to copy Dollard's path, Neighbours does still accept interns, just not as many/often as they used to. I think she was 25 when she started there, not sure.

>>79769739
>I think one of my country's broadcasting companies accepts interns, provided they're studying.
If it's anything like the US, an industry-focused writing program will help get you those internship positions, which makes a huge difference.

>>79769626
He didn't solve it the first time he went there. When we first see the diamond wall, it was one of the first times he made it there. The wall appeared untouched. He spent the first couple thousand years dying before he reached the wall. Gradually as he made more progress through the castle, he left more and more clues to himself, until he developed enough clues to make it to the wall on each loop. The first loop that the viewer sees is 7000 years into the future, when the Doctor had reached the wall only a couple of times.

>>79767375
Why was I reminded of this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5j6m5qwTCtI

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>>79768611
Level 100: fanwank God.

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How does McGann do his hair?

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>>79772745
It is DNA sequencing. His brother (another Doctor) is the same

>>79763920
I like the idea of Past Doctor books but I always felt during the wilderness years they missed out on their potential. They might have been a range on paper, but in the end they were just a loose collection of stand-alone stories, very little continuity in-between.
I know there was a bit of a limit on what they can do, like they can't just end a story on Susan dying or whatever, but there's still so much else that they could have done. Introduce new companions, recurring characters (I'm thinking along the lines of Kadiatu, Sabbath or Iris Wildthyme), recurring locations or make other temporary changes to the status quo to be explored over the course of a few books.
Big Finish did it better, but even there they never quite hit the right balance I think.

>>79770081
I don't get why people don't understand this.

The 1st few loops could've each lasted hundreds of years, as he gradually sussed out how the castle worked, and what clues would survive the room resets long enough for his future loops' selves to find.

Then, once everything is set up, the cycle goes:

on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on......

>>79774301
Those poor people. I can smell him from here.

Is there an official way to watch Loose Cannon recons and does every episode that has at least one missing episode have a Loose Cannon recon? I thought they would have put some on Lost in Time DVD

>>79774558
>Is there an official way to watch Loose Cannon recons
Someone claiming to represent Loose Cannon has posted them on DailyMotion at http://www.dailymotion.com/DavidAgnew and nobody's filed a DMCA complaint. Is that official enough?

As far as I know, they're no longer shipping videotapes, and their website is dead. And it was always sort of a borderline case—they didn't really have a license for what they were doing, but the BBC not only let them do it but sometimes helped them out, and of course some of them eventually went to work doing the official BBC recons (with Derek actually being in charge of them).

>>79774558
>does every episode that has at least one missing episode have a Loose Cannon recon?
I'm not actually sure. At one point they announced that after finishing Marco Polo they'd be up to 39 out of the 44 stories with missing episodes, but since there are only around 30 stories with missing episodes now, maybe they happen to have all 30? You'd have to check the list one by one.

>>79774637
Oh cool thanks! I'll probably download them just in case.

>>79774689
>You'd have to check the list one by one.
I just wrote a Python script to scrape the two pages off TDC and compare, and… yeah, there are 26 stories with missing episodes, and all 26 have LC recons (plus 14 more that are not missing).

Also, I realized that I forgot they finished Massacre right before folding and I've never watching their recon for that. Now I have something to watch tomorrow, so thanks for reminding me.

>>79774689
Will do.

>>79774703
>Oh cool thanks! I'll probably download them just in case.
To be honest, the best way to watch them is to pirate them anyway. Whoever put together the 2011 classic-Who megatorrent did a nice job of organizing things so you can see the LC recons and any non-missing episodes interspersed in episode order, then the LC bonus features, then any bonus features from any BBC video release, instead of having to assemble it all yourself.

Of course it's missing the 5 "v2" recons that LC put out after 2011, but it's easier to just do those 5 yourself than all 26.

Is The Space Pirates as bad as it's said to be? I love 2, Jamie and Zoe.

>>79774637
that channel misses a couple of recons though. Tenth Planet 4, Web of Fear 3 and I think one episode of Galaxy 4. One can probably find those elsewhere though

>>79774637
I just realized that it is the same channel I use on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/ElDoctorio/videos

>>79774864
>Is The Space Pirates as bad as it's said to be? I love 2, Jamie and Zoe.
I love them too, but from what I remember, except in the middle two episodes, they're entirely separated from the action and only appear in little disconnected sections near the start and/or end of the episode, and they don't have much to do with resolving any of the conflicts.

>>79775023
Ugh, well I'll have to try one day.

>>79775010
>I just realized that it is the same channel I use on YouTube
The YouTube on doesn't claim to be official the way the DailyMotion one does, but the fact that it uses the same username, and that user was registered on both sites years ago… so yeah, probably the same guy.

>that channel misses a couple of recons though. Tenth Planet 4, Web of Fear 3 and I think one episode of Galaxy 4.
I don't know about the others, but the Tenth Planet, I believe that had been on their list of recons to redo (because they were early and crappy, or because better new sources have since been found), and the BBC DVD includes that updated recon in the bonus features (although of course the main tracks use the animated version). If so, I can understand why they wouldn't want to stream it, both financial/legal reasons and artistic ones.

>>79775253
Aha, just found these comments from the YouTube channel:
>LC stopped distributing 10th planet after the BBC made their recon, many years ago. It's old enough that it doesn't have a digital copy like these files are from, and isn't up to par with LC's later work. Unless they end up revisiting it, the BBC recon will be on the upcoming DVD release. Not sure what's up with Moonbase, probably just got skipped.

>I sort of addressed why 10P 4 is probably not being shown: LC stopped distributing it years back, it doesn't have a clean digital copy as it is analog source, it was ambitious for its time but not their best work (it would receive un-warranted youtube criticism that is not needed), and the BBC version is superior (though it used LC as a model).

>>79775299
Ah I see. By the way is the reason that we don't have The Tenth Planet 4 is because Blue Peter or something else used it for the clip of Bill regenerating and never gave it back? I haven't looked into it properly.

>>79775383
Presumably Blue Peter returned it, then it got wiped like the other three. And then the 16mm telerecording transfer negatives for all four got destroyed a few years later. The reason we have episodes 1-3 is that, for some arbitrary reason, prints of those transfers were stashed in the BBC Archives.

>>79763750
>Doctor Who cancelled
>Wilderness Years 2.0
>/who/ starts writing novels
>At the same time, Gareth begins plans to revive Doctor Who
>Gareth, who secretly lurks here, likes /who/'s novel ideas
>Gareth gets the Doctor Who gig from the BBC after a petition campaign
>Huge announcement that Gareth is bringing back DW in 2025, 20 years after the initial return. He is the new Russell T Davies
>Gareth loves /who/ novels so much that he lets some of us write for his era
>Jazz Hands becomes officially canon
>Gareth's politically incorrect scripts draw in millions of viewers
>The show becomes a huge success, but some of Gareth's political scripts become contentious
>The show is fun, the kids love the new Doctor
>Every 2nd episode is written by "Anonymous"
>New golden age

>>79776149
I would refuse gareth's offer on principle, and start my own show called that's gareth!

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>>79768611

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Do you /who/ take Jenna Louise Coleman to be your lawful wedded waifu, as long as you both shall splinkpost?

https://blackgirlnerds.com/doctor-whos-new-doctor-woman-color/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

>A character as iconic as The Doctor shouldn’t be exclusive to white men, white women, and men of color. Women of color should be able to travel through time and space as their person, not just as The Doctor’s companion. Since we’ve existed beyond the British and American slave years, there is no limit to the stories a black woman Doctor or any other woman of color Doctor could tell.

wut

https://twitter.com/Eddie_At_Skaro/status/835468915589464064

New Doctor cast

https://twitter.com/Eddie_At_Skaro/status/835088714573307904

Missy's regenerating!

>>79776725
>>79776763
Double regeneration?!

>>79776691
Ha! Don't even give that article attention

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>>79776725
I've found him.

>>79777371

"Btw without western civ you might well have had your clitoris cut off as a little girl, and died in childbirth, but heigh-ho."

~ The 13th Doctor

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>>79776691
>blackgirlnerds.com
In all seriousness though I wish I had a black nerd gf.

https://twitter.com/bbcdoctorwho/status/835489635740577792

FUCK! ANNOUNCEMENT TODAY!!!!!

LESS THAN ONE HOUR!!!!

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TRAILER AT 3PM

>>79776763
>>79776725
He doesn't know shit. Among other things, he said there would be half Time Lords in Series 8 as well as Paul Mcgann in episode 8. Now, none of this actually happened, has it?

>>79777560
HYPE

>>79777560
>>79777598
this is latest i've stayed up for probably weeks, and I did it for no real reason, and it pays off like this

fucking nice

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>>79777598
>>79777560
He is returning tru da daahrk.

Does anyone actually care about Bill?

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>>79777776
OFF BY ONE

Looks like it'll be something like that.

https://youtu.be/4uUbQNntAYg

>>79777560
>new cibbers

>>79774966
Tenth Planet was removed once the BBC made their own, as was Web of Fear 3 (Underwater Menace official recon is sufficiently shit that it's still there)

Galaxy 4 episode 3 was found so it's not there. Only recons of missing episodes remain. Enemy of the World is completely gone.

>>79777801
Clearly just an attempt to remake the GOAT series 1 trailer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYIu7Qlqh4M

>>79777801
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pS4fmZ7dI6k

This is the best pre-season trailer

Can someone explain where the Gareth Roberts meme came from?

>>79777887
>>79777869
>>79777801
Those trailers were so shit. They show next to no actual footage from the series. Please, never again.

>>79777903
One day a long time ago there was a chemical spillage on the M1 and Gareth was 'born'.

>>79776691
Imagine thinking the Doctor is the audience surrogate and not the companion.

>>79777917
That's good imo. The specially shot trailers generated hype. At least at the time. Probably don't have the budget to do them anymore.

>>79777903
Just Gareth Roberts posting a lot of tweets that could be construed as insulting or inflammatory.

>>79777917
But that's the point, they keep you in suspense over what the new series will be like.

>>79777962
oh so is he /ourguy/?

The trailer will use this song, apparently (from GB).

https://youtu.be/J0r1qORcBPU

Is the Doctor gonna die again?

>>79777903
Twitter mainly. Then someone on GB revealed he got erased for his views or something.

It's just surprising to many that a BBC writer would say such things on a public platform, particularly about Islam. Other than that, Gareth is based.

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>>79777801
>>79777869
>trailers like these aren't done anymore

I FUCKING WISH THE NEW ONE IS LIKE THIS, LADS
I FUCKING WISH

The trailer will use this song, apparently (from GB)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQ8Ur2_ODsY

Is the Doctor gonna encounter 'Man with Chips' again?

>>79777979
>Is the Doctor gonna die again?

Dunno if you saw, but a few weeks ago it was announced that The Doctor is indeed going to regenerate again in a few months.

Probably into a black woman.

Me and Adam!

https://twitter.com/GeorgeBaker26/status/835492053022818306

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpbmMhNe6aA

BIT GREEN UP CLOSE

HOLD ON TIGHT

But seriously, what the fuck is up with the giant Silurian head at the end?

>>79777780
Not yet. Depends how good an actress Pearl Mackie turns out to be.

>>79777982
oh I had seen some of his tweets around the time of the referendum (and how he was literally the only Who-related person voting leave) but didn't see some of the other political stuff he said.

Could he make Doctor Who Great Again?

>>79777975
Seems to be. He even gave us his big love.

>>79777986
The series 10 trailer is really good too though. And it's similar to the early trailers in that it tells a story instead of just saying "here are some cool shots and lines from the next series."

>>79778069
This was already miles better than those >>79777887
>>79777869
>>79777801

>>79778090
Colin Baker was a leaver as well I think. But yeah I remember Gareth got pissed off at DWM publishing Peter Davison's views about Brexit, which led to a huge Twitter fight between Gareth and Ben Cook in which Gareth called him a parasite.

>>79778069
This trailer is literal perfection btw.

It prefectly captures the whimsical tone of the early Moffat era

>>79778142
Agreed. A shame they didn't use that time vortex.

IT'S OUT EARLY

https://youtu.be/jRkqlpZeGq8

>>79778069
Fucking lol.

>But seriously, what the fuck is up with the giant Silurian head at the end?
I guess because they live underground and come up to get you? idk, maybe that would imply all the other monsters also live underground.

Broadchurch 3 is on on Monday lads.

The real reason Doctor Who is delayed another year.

>>79778193
Oh yeah I never thought of that. It's still a bit stupid though. Other than that, great trailer

>>79778346
RTD's looking good.

I wish he'd just come back and do a cheeky two parter.

What if Pearl is actually the next Doctor?

>>79778193
They were just trying to emphasize that the Silurians were coming back. This isn't canon.

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>>79778375

ETA?

14 mins til trailer

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;)

>>79778346
>>79778367
>RTD's looking good.
That moustache is shocking

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>>79778404
FUKKEN
HYPE

>>79777598
DON'T BLINK

Where will the trailer be uploaded first?

>>79778449
Oh fuck, makes sense. They're back aren't they?

>>79778467
YouTube/Twitter

>>79778484
Ep 6 apparently. And also rumoured for the regeneration story

i knew we would get a trailer on the 25th it's been two months since Doctor Mysterio. It makes sense.

>>79778484
Yes. In Episode 6 with Missy. She escapes the Doctor by letting an angel send her back in time.

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>>79778523
Robert Sheehan is the new Master not the Monk like rumored they already filmed his first scenes ages ago.

>>79778565
Gareth is the new Master actually. That's why he was 'erased'. You can't write for the show and play a major role in it at the same time.

>>79778565
That was literally never rumoured. Neither for the Master nor the Monk.

It's me. I'm Melody. I'm your daughter.

First for 12 hiding 13 in a basement in trailer.

Watchin'

1 minute lads WEW! GET HYPE!!!!

my

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reminder /who/

Just seen the trailer on TV - GREAT to see the Slitheen back!

BILL

ON THE NIGHT

THAT I GO BACK—

Oh same old, same old, just the Doctor and Cl.. Bill.. Bill! In the TARDIS! Next stop, everywhere!

[coming April 15] doo wee oo

youth

TENTH PLANET CYBERMEN IN THE TARDIS HOLY SHIT!!!

Watchin' my youth slip away

EXPLODY BOOKS

well... that was shit

That was it?
Kinda meh honestly

PREDATOR ICE WARRIOR

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAQPDDX8nhg

I have to wake up in 2 hours
what a waste of time

>le cyberman and dalek.jpg
they weren't trying were they?

WHAT A LOAD OF SHIT

https://youtu.be/AAQPDDX8nhg

:13 read the books. They give hints at the upcoming episodes.

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CYBERMEN CONFIRMED

>>79778729
>RTD era cybermen
>Queen ice warrior

why?

>>79778729
>even if it kills me
bill dies confirm

>>79778753
This series is going to be shit isn't it

>>79778753
Is that a fucking Slitheen on bottom left?

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I guess it's not a part of an episode

>>79778748
>thin ice
>smile
>the pilot
>knock
>oxgen-something
WHAT DOES IT MEAN /WHO/?

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episode titles?

>The Pilot
>Smile
>Thin Ice
>Knock
>Oxygen

Fucking shit titles.

>>79778800
>old style sontaran bottom left?
GIT HYPE

>>79778753
Marching cybermen back

fucking lame man! was hoping for the Mondas ones.

>>79778793
holy FUCK it IS WOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

And for some reason a Cybus Cyberman. Not that I mind. I don't like the Nightmare in Silver ones.

And Bill confirmed to die

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>>79778814
>thin ice
Doctor will help to deliver Bill confirmed

>>79778819
>Thin Ice
return of Ace confirmed.

>no Weeping Angel

FUCK YOU MOFFAT

It's definitely Knock Knock right?

We're never getting the based 10th Planet cybermen back are we?

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>>79778876
Who's there?

Which the fuck thoughthe going from A Star In Her Eye and The Haunted Hub to The Pilot and Knock Knock was a good idea?

>>79778883
Those look like shit anon

>>79778800
TIME TO ADD BOOKS AND ICE WARRIOR WITH TITS TO HYPE TRAIN!

>>79778899
T. Moffat.

>>79778814
>>79778748
Thin ice — we know it's a water creature, so something breaks through the ice in a lake near a university, where the Doctor's taken up residence as a professor as a cover. Bet he'll call himself Professor Chronotis.
Smile will probably be the emojibots.
The pilot just means the first one.
Knock.. no clue. Same with Oxygen. Hm.


didn't think I'd be doing this, /who/. Didn't think I'd be replaying a trailer over and over again because the hype was so strong. Didn't think I'd be doing it like I was a kid again even though I've never really stopped doing it.

Bill looked cute in that shot of her when she's looking at him out of the corner of her eye. The way her hair bounced.

AND THE MUSIC WAS SO GOOD AND SLITHEEN

>>79778883
Chibbers will bring them back.

And if I recall correctly Briggsy actually recorded multiple voices for the cybermen back for Nightmare in Silver, including Tenth Planet style, so they've considered it.

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>first teaser
>looks absolutely SHEEP, gets me hype for the first time in years

>this teaser
>kills my hype, makes me concerned about S10

BRAVO

>>79778819
Smile is the Emojibot one
Thin Ice is Ice Warriors
Knock Knock is new monster
uh
Oxygen is Cybermen?

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>>79778899
if done well, they could be really creepy, the hybrid human/robot.

You retards these are the first five titles.

Guys they aren't going to spoil the Mondas Cybermen! they probably haven't filmed them yet, the cybus cyberman is probably a placeholder. RELAX..

>>79778940
Thin Ice is probably the snake episode on the frozen thames.

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>Stompy Cybermen

WHERE'S MY FUCKING TENTH PLANET

REEEEEE

>>79778970
officially, they've been using Mondasian Cybermen since series 6, but with some bullshit excuse about them combining with Cybusmen.

>he was right
>it'll just be Cybusmen in wheelchairs

HAHAHA HAHA CAPALDI PLAYED YOU

Bill's line delivery is pretty shit

MIRANDA HART AS GIANT ICE WARRIOR QUEEN CONFIRMED

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The 1st time you meet him, he's funny.

The 2nd time, he's amazing.

The 3rd time, you realise he's the most dangerous man in the universe.

Episode 1 - The Pilot (Moffat)
Episode 2 - Smile (Cotrell-Boyce)
Episode 3 - Thin Ice (Sarah Dollard)
Episode 4 - Knock Knock (Mark Bartlett)

WHERE ARE YOU SEEING AN ANGEL FUCKING TELL ME I'M NOT FINDING IT PLEASE I LOVE THEM

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But who the fuck is this?


The Hybrid

>>79779100
It's a fucking Ice Warrior, are you blind?

>>79779100
Mark Gatiss' new Ice Warrior type

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>>79779073

>>79779100
QUEEN ICE WARRIOR GIT HYPE

That trailer gave me series 5 trailer feels. this is a good thing. hype hype

>>79779090
>U
Looks like a male weeping angel middle right.

>The Pilot
>Smile
>Thin Ice
>Knock Knock
>Oxygen

Are these the most uninspired titles ever?

>>79779173
I think they're working titles

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>>79779169
Isn't it this thing?

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Is this a male weeping angel? looks like the archangel Michael statues.

>>79779209
The Pilot had 'A Star In Her Eye' as a working title.

>>79779215
Looks like Paul McGann.

Maybe the 12 hiding another Doctor in the basement theory is true.

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Hey look it's Rorys dad!

>>79779212
>>79779215
Yeah they look like the same thing. No Angels.

>>79779243
OLD STYLE SONTARAN GET HYPE

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What does it say /who/?

>>79779294
It says 'Gareth Roberts to return in 2020 as head writer and executive producer of The Paternoster Gang Adventures

>>79779294
I can make out Rome.

Kris Marshall is the new Doctor

>>79779371
source?

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That mischievous smirk!

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GOAT Hair

>>79779369
There's gonna be a Roman episode, right?

The new Ice Warrior looks like a modern rendition of Classic Who's Ice Lord.

But it's probably female, so I'm gonna predict that Gatiss' "new type of Ice Warrior" is the 'Ice Baroness'.

...Screenshot this.

>>79777917
kek chat shit get hit

>>79779435
Yes set in Celtic Scotland.

"Don't be a hero. Be a Doctor."
>A Time for Heroes
https://youtu.be/idoYCVLh2qI

>>79779455
She's so fucking ugly. But in a way it's a good thing because I found myself pausing series 7.8 and 9 constantly to masturbate to Jenna Coleman.

Facebook comments on the new trailer:

>I used to love doctor who. It was something I'd look forward to every week and you could guarentee you'd get about 2 bad episodes every series. Now they're all just bad. I feel sorry for capaldi because he's a good actor hidden within bad writing.

> Genuinely couldn't care less at this stage. Moffat's writing is appalling.

>Looks like something from The CBBC that's what Steven Moffat has done turned it into a childish show

>Capaldi is an awesome Doctor, trapped within the mediocre writing from Moffat. He is completely committed to the role and absolutely flies when he was given the right scripts.

>Used to run the doctor who club at my college. Now I couldn't care less. Get Moffat OUT.

>Bring back Gareth Roberts!

>Meh. You've left it too long between seasons, and the Xmas special was gash

>>79779537
KEK

The music was by Blair Mowat aka Class composer and Chibnall Who's composer.

>>79779554
Didn't we all?

Anyone have the War Doc Vol 4 Audios? Wanna stcik them on the mega?

>>79779608
>implying the Chibnall era is actually going to happen

>>79779243
Looks like Adam the Orford!]/spoiler] to me.

>>79779608
Is it confirmed he'll take over in S11? I hope so.

He'll use The Doctor's Theme from S1 as he considers it the overall theme for the character rather than just the ninth/tenth so that's cool.

>>79779608
>Gold couldn't be arsed to do this trailer

>>79779631
Holy shit it does.

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>>79779421
BOUFFANT
O
U
F
F
A
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T

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Isn't that fucking Tennant in the bottom left? And Smith to his right?

>>79779727
To the left of the ice warrior looks like Clara
To the right looks like a new sontaran design

>>79779727
Holy shit it looks like them.

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Now who's that, hmmmm?

>>79779754
>Clara
I think that's actually a Weeping Angel.

>>79779819
THAT'S idunno

>>79779819
Looks like Benjamin Sisko.

https://twitter.com/OldRoberts953/status/835519415613546497

>the trailer is set in the library from series 4

What did Moffat mean by this?

>>79779989
it's looks nothing like the library though

Does anyone have a mega to the series 8 leaks?

Dude, an hour ago I thought it was a fucking Slitheen. Now it looks like David Tennant screaming in anguish, and I realize that the top of what looks like David's face is what I mistook for the Slitheen.

This shit is fucking with me.

>>79780109
I'd love those. The old mega is down and i want some nostalgia. Leak /who/ was best /who/

>>79778672
>tfw that will never happen

Just re-watched Turn Left. Fucking GOAT.

>>79780991
>>79780991
>>79780991

new thread

the early bird catches the worm

>>79781017
no

>>79781171
You cracked the code. Unless it's a male Weeping Angel.

>>79779100
Looks like the silurian masks from The Hungry Bores.

>>79778814
The pilot is obviously an oh so clever (read: glaringly obvious) Moffat in-joke about this series being another half assed relaunch.

Did... did Gareth actually like the trailer?

https://twitter.com/OldRoberts953/status/835537348515487744

>>79781627
>that song

>>79781171
It does look a bit like him but it's probably some crappy new alien Mark Gatiss shat out.

If, before he was officially announced, someone told you that 12 would be
>Older than Hartnell when he started
>Would wear hoodies as part of his costume
>Would have Matt Lucas as a companion

How would you feel?

>>79779577
>Bring back Gareth Roberts!

Yeah, no.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Py5xXBREBRk

pause at 0:08

On the right and left side, those are the promised land "rest in peace, we promise" things from the S8 finale aren't they?

>>79782697
just post a screenshot, I haven't a clue what you're on about

God ... what the fuck went so wrong?

NuWho hasn't been good since Tennant and RTD left.

NuWho hasn't been good since Capaldi and Moffat left.

>>79783737
People like you aren't real fans

>>79783737
dieeee

So, second time Doc has companions duo of black woman and white man

NuWho hasn't been good since McCoy and Cartmel left.

>>79784273
preach

>>79784515
No? That never happened. The other way around yes, with Rose and Mickey. Jack doesn't count, he was with Martha for one story.

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>tfw you know you're leaving just before the boat sinks

NuWho hasn't been good since Wiles and Tosh left.

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>>79784616
>That never happened
inb4 lol books

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Watching Boom Town.

So damn comfy.

>>79760034
Doctor who is fucking garbage.
It can tell any story in all of time and space and it always ends up a shitty looking celebration of mediocrity.
It's a predictable, safe formulaic children's show where the Le wacky man saves the day with some 'witty' banter and a 'clever' scheme.
The Doctor never goes anywhere in his development, just going from dark to light or dark to light depending on the incarnation.
It has no love for science or history, it just boils everything down for lowest common denominator. It's a waste of time and effort,
why don't you losers mature and watch some grown up television for a change.
You shouldn't watch doctor who unless it's with your own children but I really don't want you plebs procreating.

I don't care what anyone says, I liked the trailer and I'm glad they actually bothered with a specially shot one this time. Bill looked cute in this shot too.

I really hope the RTD Cybermen aren't back though.

I'm normally a big Moffat hater (Series 8 and 9, really, before that wasn't so bad.)
And I've been a big Bill hater, too, in the respects that she doesn't seem like she'll be unique and she's not a QT at all.

But seeing everyone say that the trailer was shit and that it's gonna be bad just ticks me off, because I'm really hyped over it. I think that Capaldi sans Clara is, for some reason, really, really good, and I'm excited to see what comes of it. And Bill did look a cute in this trailer.. CUTE! With her little sideways glance and smile, and her cute little jog. The TARDIS trio looks wacky yet cool in a tamed-weirdness sort of way.

I'm excited and I can't stop hitting replay. I'm sorry that some of you can't have fun.

>>79784754
>migrating to an archived thread
This is why you aren't allowed to be OP

the trailer was GOAT
suck my dick

>>79784739
DW Fans say it's shit every year, it means nothing

ACTUAL NEW THREAD
>>79784848
>>79784848
>>79784848

>>79784701
This could make good pasta.
Add a No! in there and tighten up the passage.

>>79784917
newfag

>>79785050
Too be honest, if less people come to this site, it will die.
What a shame that would be.

>>79785091
>What a shame that would be.
I long for the day when I'm finally free of this website.

>>79785121
Don't we all!

>>79764347

The problem is how boring and generic the stories are. They could be made for any Doctor really. Only The Neverwhen stands out.