Did anyone else think John Wick 2 was a lot like The Raid 2?

>>79701273
everyone says it was john wick that brought people out of the shaky cam phase. It was definitely the raid series.

The bulletproof jacket was for making Wick suffer without killing him. Also, there is a reason he heashots everyone

>>79701407
Ironic considering JW2 wasn't far off shakycam

>>79701273
i enjoyed this one more than the first

but yeah at this point it's literally just a comic book taken movie form

>>79701273
It was like The Raid 2 in that it was far better than the first and only contrarians disagree.

>>79701273
I just hope they don't do shit like a prequel with young Wick or how the Continental started.
Make a third and move on.

>>79701273
>the script is a bit too pretentious/complicated
If you couldn't follow the movie you might just be stupid

>>79702308

Hopefully they end it with three.

>>79701273
JW1 already stablished some world building
Raid 2 doesn't expand on Raid 1's characters (except Rama) or world

At the end of Raid 2 Rama, being surrounded by bad guys, gives up fighting. John Wick would never allow himself to get killed.

>>79702308
Also this.
I think that IF there's a prequel, will be after the 3rd movie gets released. Would be shit desu.
young Keanu Reeves played by Keanu Reeves

JW2 built off interesting stuff, Raid 2 was just 100 added minutes of rote crime family drama

>>79702173
(You)

>>79702372
I followed it fine. It was just more complex than necessary for an action film. And Wick's motivations didn't really make any sense, unlike the first

>>79702423
>Raid 2 doesn't expand on Raid 1's characters (except Rama) or world
U wat?

>>79702790
His motivation was that he had no choice, then he wanted revenge on the dude who was both trying to kill him and the one who stopped his retirement. Simple stuff.

>>79701273
Trash with a typical nonsensical plot, lol ecks dee btw 50% of newyork has hidden assassins

>>79701434
What's the reason

>>79704284
No idea, I was just bluffing and hoping no one would call me out. Yet here you are.

In the end my hubris did me.

>>79704270
>not picking up the social commentary that New York is filled with terrible people

>>79701273

Not at all.

John Wick 2 is an expansion of the universe established by the first film. Hitman underworld, specific currency, etc.

The Raid 2 is a family crime drama that just happens to include the MC from The Raid. It spends way too much time on unnecessary plot developments.

>>79704392
Rate all 4 movies in question, I'm curious about your opinion

>>79701273
>d*rn

what did he mean by this?

>>79704422

The Raid > John Wick 2 > John Wick > The Raid 2

>>79704467
Wow. I agree wholeheartedly,
But that being said I don't think The Raid 2 is a 'bad' movie

>>79704353
I thought you were implying he shoots everyone in the head because everyone else has the bulletproof vest just like he does.

>>79704537

Neither do I. It's a fine action movie and a decent crime drama.

But as a sequel to an intense, claustrophobic action extravaganza, it fails on a narrative level.

>>79704284
body armor

>>79704594
Honestly, how else are you supposed to make a sequel to that kind of movie without it feeling like a rehash?
An action movie sequel should be bigger in scope and the Raid 2 did just that.
And if you wanted claustrophobic, indoors fighting, the last half hour is just that. Three amazing fight scenes one after the other, all inside a building.

>>79702926
He just made some dumb decisions. Like ignoring the market guy the first time. And then shooting him in the Continental

>>79704594
>But as a sequel to an intense, claustrophobic action extravaganza, it fails on a narrative level.
Couldn't agree more

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does anyone have a picture of ruby rose's ass from the movie
where she pulls her knife

best moment in the movie desu

>>79704663

The way John Wick 2 did. Doubling down on the choreographed action, loose plot, and suspension of disbelief.

The Raid 2 was bigger in scope, sure, but it spent way too much time on crime family drama that had nothing to do with our protagonist. It was like a foreign Scorcese movie that felt obliged to shoehorn in choreographed fight scenes.

That said, those scenes were fucking awesome.

>>79704682
>>79704682

He didn't want to accept the marker, got his house burned down, so he went and completed the marker. it would have been find if marker guy didn't end up betraying him and trying to kill him, that's what the other 3/4 of the movie was about

>>79704682
>>79704682

honestly, i think john shot him in the continental because he was just tired of it, he really didn't have anything left, his wife died and his house is gone

when he went back to his burnt down house, and he sat in his chair, i think he was expecting to die there but ended up being surprise because Winston gave him an hr

>>79705023
>>79704682
He shot him because if he didn't, he could just keep sending people to kill him and it just wouldn't end

i can't wait for the third one, they'll probably send him to hong kong for the chinese triads and japan for the yakuza

what i'm really curious about is was the marker that winston gave him empty/blank or did it have somebody blood mark on it already and if yes who?

i really want the direction of john wick to go towards him killing the leaders of the high table and taking it over for himself, that would be absolutely incredible

Question;

Was the contract doubled because he killed the guy in the Continental or because he had killed his sister?

>>79705043
>>79705043

good point as well but then now he has high table AND continental after him which i would say is much worst then just marker guy so my point of him accepting his death/fate still stands

>>79705078
>what i'm really curious about is was the marker that winston gave him empty/blank or did it have somebody blood mark on it already and if yes who?
Nigga follow accordingly.

He did him a favor by delaying the hit for an hour. That was his blood on the marker, now John owes him.

>>79705085
>>79705085

i would say both because at that point, john wick had literally killed two members from high table albeit from the same family AND for killing on company grounds

webms when?

>>79705116
>>79705116

that wouldn't make sense because the person who OWES the favor is suppose to have the blood marker on it FIRST and when the task is complete, the person who holds the favor/marker puts it on AFTER to show that the bargain is complete, blood marker guy puts his blood on AFTER john kills his sister

Raid 2 should have just been called like Undercover or something. Just its own project unrelated in any way. Then I think people would like it a lot more, cause it is in itself a solid martial arts crime movie.

>>79701273

I'd tend to disagree. John Wick 2 definitely made the first film seem less important as most all sequels do, but it basically held to the same standards and brought in some new and fresh ideas. The film once again is just 2 hours of Reeves killing people.

>>79701644
Wrong.

>>79701273

It had the same amount of world building as the first, meanwhile The Raid 2 had like double the talky scenes as the first (although somehow also had double the action so I'll forgive it).

Also the suit is a real thing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g25CL93f0f8

>>79705085
>a criminal organization cant arrange a falsh mob

>>79705331
I'm sorry?

>>79704587
And look at that. He made you answer you own stupid question, fucko.

>>79705234
>just 2 hours of Reeves killing people.

Yeah, that's the point. Why did you watch the sequel if you have a problem with revenge movies?

>>79705453
i never asked a question you retard don't assume im a different anon

>>79705200
It kind of was - Raid 2's original name was Berandal, and it was written before The Raid.

They just shelved it because they couldn't afford to make it, and made The Raid as a low budget alternative instead. The money that made let them make it, and it got re-titled to Raid 2 for name recognition and some of the character details rewritten to make them fit together.

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>>79705453

>>79705023
>when he went back to his burnt down house, and he sat in his chair, i think he was expecting to die there
Yeah, I got that sense too

The problem with Raid 2 is that they pulled the expanded universe out of thin air and John Wick 2 expanded on what's already be established in the first one

And the bulletproof suit isn't op since other people also have it

>>79706144
>>79706144

exactly like when john and cassian both pulled at the same time and realize they both had vest lol

>>79704467
Raid 2 > John Wick 2 = Raid > John Wick
I think both movies improved on their predecessors

>>79705245
it's cute how they edited it to look like that guy shot the host at first

>Ruby Rose's character is mute
>she carries a silenced pistol
Did George Lucas contribute to this film? Way too poetic

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>that scene where John gets captured by Ares after trying to steal Pizza

He's excommunicado so no services.
So why would Winston give him a marker?
Is it implied that HE used the marker for John to owe him, maybe he's responsible for "why he's not dead"

I thought the 'Assassin underworld' in John Wick was the shittiest part of the movie, are you telling me thats what the sequel is all about? fuck

Ares is alive right? ;_;

>>79707501
Sorry about your broken brain man

>>79707923
shit acting and shit flimsy story, John Wick was good because of the gun fights only

Sad thing is that there's no way they top this in JW3.

They either rely on past references too much, or just do same shit again.

>Grapple one guy
>Headshot 2 guys
>Headshot grappled guy

Happened too often imo

>>79701273
The Raid 2 was bloated as fuck. 150 fucking minutes?! Is the Raid 3 gonna be 3 hours long?

The beauty of The Raid 1 was its simplicity.

JW2 was absolute trash lol

The Raid 1 is literally perfect.

But seriously I would like to put forth the argument that the Raid 1 is better than both John Wick films.

>>79709083
>The Raid 1 is literally perfect.

I'd say the first 75% was close to perfect. The last 2 fights were pants on head retarded and way too long.

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How else could John Wick get his bounty off him without killing Santiago in the Continental?

>>79707423
I assume so. Or he's not dead because Winston is Wick's friend.

The big, big, big issue with the raid 2 is the lack of gunfights.
The 1st one has this good balance.
The car chase has the same issue with the other car chases : Looks fack AF.

>>79709034
>The beauty of The Raid 1 was its simplicity.

This. The second one tried to hard with the plot which was in the end really, really, really bad.

>>79709773

Which car chase scene? The one after the cocky Jap kills his Dad or the one where the police is after Rama? Because the latter one was incredibly well filmed.

>>79707423
Excommunicado from the hotels aka no safe haven
He can still can get services from other assassin bosses and the such

>>79701407
nah

most people you know wouldnt know about the raid at all

>>79708929
was smart fighting though

incapacitate one guy, use him as a shield, rinse and repeat

>>79707423
I thought the marker was empty. It made more sense to me. He is giving himthe means to do something for someone important and in exchange get his lofe back.

>>79707423
so that if john needs some major help winston is "obliged" to give it to him

thus a loophole where john can use the resources of the continental to fight the bounty on his head

RAMA VERSUS JOHN

>>79709188
Unless he could somehow lure him out, he had no choice and Santiago is smart enough to never leave

I'm actually pretty exicted for the sequal, which hasn't happened to me in a long time, because now the stakes are so high and he's never safe
The only course of action is somehow to either attack the High Table or negotiate with someone on the High Table to lift the contract

If they'll go with the James Bond route with him going around the world and fight off the threat, it'd be amazing since he has to leave NYC and he's already been to Rome
Maybe Hong Kong, Tokyo and Prague
I'm curious about Switzerland, because maybe their neutrality comes in play with the Assassin underworld

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EPIC GUN FIGHT BRAH

>>79710158
Lots of people found this scene funny for some reason.

>>79710267

Probably because that's exactly what the director was going for.

>>79710299
Good for him.

>>79702423

>At the end of Raid 2 Rama, being surrounded by bad guys, gives up fighting.

Are you talking about the Japanese guys? He had no problem with them. They went there to fight the same guys Rama did, but he already did it for them. They had no reason to fight.

>>79710267
Everyone in the screening I went into laughed, I thought it was a great scene.

>>79710158
wtf is that?

>>79710572

John Wick 2

>>79702423
>At the end of Raid 2 Rama, being surrounded by bad guys, gives up fighting.
>I did not watch the movie
He meets a bunch of dudes who were there to kill the people he just killed, tells them he did their job then goes home.

>>79710116
>The only course of action is somehow to either attack the High Table

Oh shit it was so obvious but I didn't think of that.
HYPED AS FUCK

>>79701273
>has completely bulletproof jacket
>doesn't button it leaving all his organs and vitals exposed
>even AFTER getting shot in the stomach
Was that Diane Kruger? Looked a lot like her.

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>>79711028

if he buttoned it up he wouldn't be able to use it as a shield

>>79705234
>2 hours of keanu killing people
I wish dude. That's what I paid money for. It was a good hour before he even pulled out a gun dude. (Save for the kneecapping)

as someone who really enjoyed Raid 2 for the exact reasons others seem to hate it for, especially the length and story. Do you think i would prefer John Wick 1 or 2.

>>79711432
I think you would prefer having my dick up your ass, faggot.

>>79711432
Raid 2 was more memorable than Raid 1

fight me

>>79701273
>tries to expand the world too much, the script is a bit too pretentious/complicated,
i'm glad i'm not the only one who realized(and hated) that

>>79711988
>>79701273
>plebs who think the raid 2 is too complex
>literally just being a cop inside mafia
>OH MY GOD ITS TOO HARD TO FOLLOW!

if you're going to try to shit on the raid series and even remotely fucking try to compare the dog shit pretentious hipster bullshit that is john wick to the fucking god tier action series as the raid, you better come up with some legit fucking complaints

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I think I know where they're going with this. Think about John Wick's almost inhuman abilities, access to high end synthetics and short recovery time. How could one man achieve so much? How does he have the time?
Enter one Ted "Theodore" Logan. A man with as much time and access to futuristic material as he wants. As Bill and Ted get older they realise the past has been taken over by sinister forces. They say goodbye to the babes and head back for one more adventure. Inspired by his father's tales from his beat cop days Ted takes to weapons and martial art training, Bill S. Preston, Esq however feels that his best contribution would be as an insider, so travels further back and sets up the continental. Between them they infiltrate this dark world with the sole aim of bringing it down from the inside. They know that if any other time travellers get wind of what they're up to it's all over so they keep a reasonable distance and never use each other's names. Look out for John Wick's Most Excellent adventure coming summer 2019.

>>79712264
I would pay for this flick

>>79712264
>Implying it's not another version of The Matrix where Neo is John Wick

>>79712327
The Matrix is an arcade game played by Ted in the future, hence the "woh!" line.

>>79712327
Also
https://youtu.be/CcojUS7GL6U

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>>79702423
>yfw the matrix was the prequel
>neo and morpheous blue pilled and are now living out an alternate timeline

>>79709125
Delete you're 4chan account

>>79709917
>He can still can get services from other assassin bosses and the such
I thought the implication was all those services were tied to the Continental

>>79710116
>Santiago is smart enough to never leave
Oh shiiiit, I just get why he was talking about how varied the menu was. I'm an idiot

>>79710158
That scene was great

>>79711432
2, both are good though

>>79712024
I never said it was hard to follow. It (and JW2) just introduced needless plot elements. These movies only need a simple story, as the first instalment of each showed.

Also you seem to have a weird chip on your shoulder about John wick that confuses me

>>79707501
So did I but I really enjoy John Wick 2 regardless.

I just got over it and learned to like it I guess.

>>79701273
I liked both The Raid 2 and John Wick 2 better than their previous movies desu.

>>79710158
>>79710267
because it was funny
it's so dumb it's great, i'm glad JW2 acknowledged how retarded everything is.