Who would you cast for the role of Lenin?

>>79652009
John Malkovich

>>79652009
Idris Elba

>>79652009
michael fassbender

>>79652009
Patrick Stewart.

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>>79652068
don't they look similar?

Toby Jones

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YOU CAN MAKE A MAN WITH HAIR LOOK BALD YOU FUCKING IDIOTS

JUST BECAUSE LENIN IS BALD IT DOESN'T MEAN THE ACTOR HAS TO BE BALD AS WELL

Steve Bannon - b/c he called himself a Leninist

>>79652068
but seriously, this is a good idea

Michael Ironside

>>79652009
a non cis gendered POC so I am eligible for the British Oscars.

>>79652137
Unironically would actually be a good fit

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He hasn't aged, so

>>79652094
Came here to say this.

>>79652159
Especially given his "you little people should sacrifice for the environment while your betters use private jets and yachts" attitude. It fits the Soviet Union well...except for the environment.

>>79652009
Lupita Nyong'o

>>79652137
he looks so bloated

>>79652197
Your juvenile /pol/ shit really is tiresome

>>79652208
too much sodium and too many darts

>>79652213
The Soviet Union was a scam. The people were poor, food rationed, consumer goods nearly impossible to get.
Yet, party officials and leaders lived in luxury.

Sean Connery 30 years ago.

>>79652213
ugh, ignore the drumpftards. we al know leo is saving the world

Pilkington

>>79652180
Well shit, I was about to suggest him without even knowing about this.

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>>79652009
Dicaprio,

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>ctrl+f udo kier 0 results

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The board has spoken.

>>79652267
Fascist.

>>79652267
Wow what a brave and insightful opinion thanks for enlightening me about common fucking knowledge

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>>79652009
not even joking

>>79652338
>>79652338
>>79652338

>>79652708
Does it remind you of Leo jetting around, playing with his yachts, while telling normal people to conserve energy and stop polluting?

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>>79652009

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Suprised nobody mentioned this guy

>>79652009
I wonder if they realized what they would influence/make happen

history is fascinating

>>79652997
>history is fascinating
Tell the 25M Ukrainians that Lenin starved to death about their 'influence' and what they made happen.

>>79652197
Lenin was a huge advocate by example of living an austere lifestyle.

>>79653312

>Burning your crops and hoard all the food because you don't want to collectivize

Kulaks deserved worse

>>79653312
Holodomor happened after Lenin died you fucking idiot.

>>79653312
>25M
how do you say 'oy vey' in Ukranian?

>>79653312
Yes. That is what makes it so fascinating. Few men with rebellious ideas, massive shift in world.

>>79653312

MUH 200,000,000,000,000!

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>>79652009

>>79653427
Looks retarded just as you look retarded for trying to cast a western actor as a russian leader. Dumb fucking idiot.

>>79653484
he wasn't a leader

>>79653399
>hat is what makes it so fascinating. Few men with rebellious ideas, massive shift in world.

How about Pol Pot?

Hitler? Are Leftist genocides more acceptable than fascist genocides?

>>79653510
You need to take some pills because I'm not here to talk about about what was acceptable and what was not, retard.

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>>79653510

>Pol Pot
>Leftist

>>79653498
>autism

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>ctrl + f
>bernie
>0 results

>>79653580
he was a revolution leader
not the president or whatever

>>79653603

Thank god

>>79653617
>american education

>>79653399
>>79652997
You have a problem if you idolize dictators, dude. They changed the world, for worse.

>>79653617
>he was a revolution leader
>not the president or whatever

You are a retard, now it all makes sense.

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>>79653634
here you go Ivan

>>79652009
Tyrese Gibson.

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reddit don't you think this guy fits the bill?

He is dear I say /r/movies guy

>>79652009
Obviously a strong black woman.

Or does the blackening of history only apply when they are positively regarded?

>>79652338
Too bad he's a senile who pisses in his own pants now.

>>79653673
I said it's interesting, not that I idolize them, can't you read? The effect of few over the many in this scale is very fascinating. Nothing to do with idolatry.

Learn2read.

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>>79652009
DALE

>>79652267
Ministers in Soviet Union had the same income as factory workers. People got free apartments, healthcare, education.
Scam, my ass.

>>79653774
>free apartments
>healthcare
>education
All of which were fucking trash and terrible.

>ministers had the same income as factory workers
Not true.

t. person from a post-soviet country

>>79653723
http://i.imgur.com/fPLgGR9.gif

>>79653617
President post was nonexistent in the early days of SU.

He was de-facto the head of the goverment.

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>>79652972
I used to think he looked exactly like him too but that's 90's Ironside. He couldn't pull it off anymore.

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>>79652009
Udo Kier.

>>79653769
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Its. About. To go. Down....tovarich.

>>79653848
MR WORLDWIDE literally cosmopolitan

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клaccичecкий

>>79653798
Wow, so you like, lived in 40-50s to trash talking Lenin and Soviet Union like that?

>>79653312
lol cockol

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>>79654045

>>79652009
just use his corpse for stop motion

gentle reminder that albert einstein called Lenin one of the greatest men who ever lived

>>79654026
No, but my parents did and they told me everything in detail.

>>79652009
Bernie Sanders.

Doesn't matter. (((Hollywood))) would never allow a movie showing the West and Jews teaming up to topple Russia and cripple it for generations to come.

>>79654272
kek

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>mfw my first name is Lenin

>>79654349
>the West and Jews teaming up to topple Russia and cripple it for generations to come.

but this is a thread about Lenin, not Yeltsin

>>79653769

hahahaha

Mr 1917

>>79654282
It is sad, but that was the result of WW2: Sector of Western society that ran to Communism to prevent another Hitler. Most eventually realized that the two ideologies are 2 sides of the same coin.

>>79653312
>Tell the 25M Ukrainians that Lenin starved
>1933 USSR
>Lenin

Can't tell if trolling or actual /pol/ tier historical knowledge

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>>79654400
>the two ideologies are 2 sides of the same coin

>>79654445
National Socialism and Communism are same shit, with a different tint to it.

>>79652068
fpbp

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>>79654492
google murray bookchin

>>79654535
I don't need to google it. Most of their destructive parts are the same, with a slight difference in execution/interpretation, which doesn't matter, as the destructive element of twisted socialist thought is of the same root and is the cause.

>>79654492
what's communism?

>>79654492
Now, now.
One murders class enemies by the million.
The other murders ethnicities by the million.
Clearly different.

Also only one is defended by pseudo intellectuals in the West.

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>>79654555
>i dont need to know what I'm talking about but I'll spout shit anyway

Amerilards

>>79654591
liberal capitalism has of course never killed anyone

>>79654609
t. butthurt university marxist

>>79654668
oh wow you sure showed me there

>>79654609
not in the sense that engineered to kill ideas have.

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>>79654889
capitalism came out of the same movement that advocated colonialism to fund the industrial revolution, liberalism/centrism was absolutely deigned to result in the deaths of tens of millions

>>79652009
WHO?

>>79655323

the weaboo guy from the beatles

>>79654958
And your solution is murder the White oppressor class, right?

>>79655413
my solution is for you to go back to redit

>>79653312
that was stalin m8
might have happened under lenin's rule just as well though

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>>79653400
>don't those ebil nazis know fascism killed six million!?
>twenty million dead Ukrainians? T-They deserved it! Long l-live gommunism!

>>79656790
>Lenin was a cool rebel
>Uncle Joe was just grumpy
>Mao just made a mistake listening to his wife
>Pol Pot fought against the Vietnamese, so he's not a true communist
>Che murdered people and despised NEETs and gays, but brodude so cool, seen my tshirt?
>Castro? Sure he murdered thousands, ran concentration camps, jailed political prisoners for decades, imprisoned gays, and ran a sex tourism empire for hard currency, but have you seen his Potemkin villages? Super cool dude, wish Bush was like him.

>>79655323
Vladimir Ilich Ulyanov

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>>79655924

>>79652009
Comedy option: Simon Pegg.

When did /tv/ become unironically commie? Is this some form of contrarianism to the rise of /pol/?

>>79652009

JJ Abrahms

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>>79657340
If you haven't seen TV even has Letterboxd threads which is Tumblr's filmsite.

This is very commie neet hikikomori shitcave board.

>>79657340
Just underage newfags. They pop up occasionally.

>>79657474
>mature men bend over for daddy capital

>>79652149
yep

>>79657488
>brave boys advocate a failed system because it's less popular

So long as they can capture the essence of his personality - or at least the perception of it. I generally don't care.

People get far too hung up on whether and actor "looks" like the person they're playing. I much rather someone actually give a performance rather than a cheap imitation.

>>79657133
wait, who is running the camps in Cuba again?

>>79653312
>tfw when a 9/10 qt Ukranian girl wanted your dick but you were too hung up on this German girl to do anything about it
>now you will never see either of them ever again
FUCK YOU Germany seriously

>>79653326
He owned several Rolls-Royces many in his nation were starving to death.

>>79657505
What's the criteria for a """""""""""""failed system"""""""""""""?

>>79657340
I'm not a capitalist but Lenin was a gigantic retard and both the USSR and the PRC are his fault which makes him perhaps the worst person of the 20th century.

>>79657565
you would have been too much of a pussy to make a move anyway

>>79657606
Communism

>>79657649
What's communism?

>>79657606
Communism & German 19th-20th Century Socialism ticks every box.

>>79657659
A failed system.

>>79657662
What are the boxes?

>>79657659
You can read about in the Internet, I'm not exactly sure what is the point you are trynig to make it with spamming this stupid fucking post, you did it earlier.

You are probably one of those retards who thinks none of the applications of socialism extended to communism wheren't actually "true communism" because they didn't fill every retarded utopistic wish fulfillment of Marx's, but they were in fact, communism.

and were all disastrous

>>79657649
>Anti-communist literally too stupid to even make an argument or joke properly.

What a surprise.

>>79657505
Also because they get to denounce, punish and execute their "oppressors". It is the ultimate whiny political theory.

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>>79657695
>communist gets butthurt over a simple back and forth
Every time.

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>>79657682
>rural backwater that didn't even have an industrial revolution becomes the first country to go to space after only three decades of communism
>failure

>>79657682
What "applications of socialism" "extended to communism"?
>every retarded utopistic wish fulfillment of Marx's
What if one would claim that the working class controlling the means of production is the definition of socialism?
>they
What countries are you talking about?

>>79657682
>You can read about in the Internet
Dodging like a protagonist straight out of the Matrix.
>i-i-it's not like I don't know the definition or anything. I just don't feel like doing it right now!

>>79657695
the hundreds of millions of people killed under the direct orders of a communist regime is probably a small blackeye? I guess you have to crack some eggs to make an omelet amirite comrade?

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>>79657737
Notice how millions starved and the USSR doesn't even exist anymore.

>>79657514
>During the mid 1960s Fidel Castro’s regime in Cuba created a system of labor camps euphemistically called “Military Units in Aid of Production,” known better the Spanish acronym UMAP. By this time considerable opposition to the Cuban Revolution had developed and Castro, in order to maintain the stability of his rule, needed a mechanism whereby he could neutralize undesirables.

>Internment in a UMAP could be precipitated by any of the following actions: refusing to engage in “volunteer” work on behalf of the Revolution, being homosexual, being a Jehovah’s Witness, being a Seventh Day Adventist, refusing collectivization, being reported for counter revolutionary attitudes. Additionally, among those also rounded up and sent to the UMAPs were members of the Catholic and Protestant clergy.

>The Interamerican Commission for Human Rights of the Organization of American States (OAS) estimated in a report on Cuba that at one point there were 300,000 Cuban citizens interned in the UMAP system.

>>79652137
MWAHAH THE BOLSHEVIK REVOLUTION

>>79657797
>a communist regime
What communist regime?

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>>79657841
Take your pick.

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>>79657804
they also starved under the Russian Empire, only now they had better healthcare and had some place to live as they didn't have to worry about an oppressive landlord class

Notice how the population increased and life expectancy got higher

don't forget that Western Europe never had famines or mass starvation, especially no country under the rule of the Empire that invented the Enlightenment

>>79657858
When did Lenin or Stalin claim that the USSR was communist?

Now? John Malkovich.

20 years ago? Patrick Stewart.

>>79657876
Not even him but the Dictatorship of the Proletariat is supposed to lead to Communism. That's like the fucking basics of the ideology.

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>>79657810
nah I was talking about the other one instituted by your beloved system, the camps that are so great and noble they exist to this day

>>79657797
>millions of people killed under the direct orders of a communist
lol tell me more about the 6 gorillian Internet scholar.

And all I was commenting on was that person's response literally did not make any sense as a reply or as a pithy banter joke, which it clearly was an attempt at.
"Give me a criterion for what counts as a failed system with regards to communism"
"Communism"

Do I really have to hold your hand by explaining to you in minute detail why this is retarded?

>>79657891
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism_in_20_years

Guess Khrushchev didn't know "the fucking basics" of the ideology he was supposed to shill.

>>79657875
The Tsar was evil too but far more died of starvation and political suppression in the Soviet Union than in the Russian Empire even if it happened in both.

>>79657875
>didn't have to worry about an oppressive landlord class
Yeah, they just had to worry about the oppressive state fucking them over. Sounds fun.

The life of a commie wannabe must be hard.

>>79657933
That doesn't go against anything I said, you fucking autist. In fact it agrees with me by saying the Dictatorship of the Proletariat leads to Communism.

>>79657961
>When did Lenin or Stalin claim that the USSR was communist?
>was
>leads to
Do you have trouble with the concept of time?

I can guarantee none of the pretend-commies ITT are from East Europe.

>>79657982
>implying agricultural and factory work wont be fully automated

>>79657894
Which camps would these be? You ok commie chan?

>>79657994
We all know that.

>>79657994
Do they even have internet in their mud huts?

>>79657994
none of them have ever lived in anything resembling communism because it is hell on earth.

>>79658028
as opposed to great liberal democracies like mexico, right

>>79657875
It was an intentional genocide, you animal.
They EXPORTED grain from the areas that were starving.

>Grain supplies were sufficient to sustain everyone if properly distributed. People died mostly of terror-starvation (excess grain exports, seizure of edibles from the starving, state refusal to provide emergency relief, bans on outmigration, and forced deportation to food-deficit locales), not poor harvests and routine administrative bungling.

>>79658019
They actually have good infrastructure and blazing fast internets like 700/700

>>79658058
Yeah, it can't compare to the communist utopia of North Korea or .... Cuba ...

>>79658069
>They EXPORTED grain from the areas that were starving
Good thing capitalist states have never done such things.

gentle reminder that Russia in 1985 was a better place to live in than Russia in 1995

>>79657989
His whole point was that people suffered and died under the revolution and the quest to achieve Communism, a fruitless goal. The Dictatorship was part of the process to achieve Communism as outlined by Marx, Lenin and countless other Marxists. You're just nitpicking because the Soviets never reached their stateless and classless society but collapsed.

>>79658114
And Russia now is better than either.
>>79658120
>inb4 the retard comes up with LE WAZ COMMUNSIM XDDDD D??"?!?D XDD

>>79658080
north korea hasn't considered itself communist in decades, their ideology is called "juche"

read more

also, Cuba is a nicer place to live than most of their neighbouring states and is nicer to live in now than it was under Batista

>>79658080
>juche
>communism
>Cuba
>worse than mexico
>>79658120
Please explain how "The Dictatorship" a la ussr was supported by Marx. Especially the part where the proletariat wasn't part of it.

>>79658130
>And Russia now is better than either.

debatable

chicago school style capitalism fucked up the country so bad in the 90s that they've been playing catch up for almost two decades now

>>79658159
Marx isn't the only socialist writer.
Collectivism as presented by classic Socialism and Communism can't work without tyranny as we've all seen from the use of it.

The fact Marx in his crazy utopistic troll writings was ignorant of this is just his flaw. Have you read Das Kapital?

>>79658184
>The Dictatorship was part of the process to achieve Communism as outlined by Marx

>>79658174
Kill yourself commie shit

>>79658120
Were they closer to stateless, classless society in 1989 than in 1917?
No.

The closest communism has ever come was Cambodia. Pol Pot shot everyone who had education, could read, wore glasses, spoke foreign languages, had ever worked with foreigners. Plus the families of the above.

Still failed.

It will always fail.

>>79658226
What are the criteria for "failing"?

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>tfw armchair communists tell me that communism was good for the common man in the soviet union

>>79658237
see >>79658215

>>79657839
KEK

>>79658256
What makes me "commie shit"?

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>>79658215
i'd tell you the same ameriblubber but your zombie capitalist food will do the job for you

>>79658253
Marxism is a religion, not a political theory.

>>79652137
best post

>>79658299
It is a weak religion

>>79657994
You really Russia's Communist party is most popular with the older generation that lived under the USSR, right?

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>>79652009
>ctrl+F
>no Danny DeVito

>>79653798
Russia in 1916:
>backwater, agrarian society with a population of millions of starving, uneducated serfs

Russia in 1936 as part of the USSR:
>industrialized nation on the verge of becoming a superpower, populated by educated and trained workers

it's undeniable that the Soviet Union dramatically increased living standards for the little people living under it, the system was far from perfect but it was vastly preferable to what they had been living under for centuries.

>All of which were fucking trash and terrible.
you're looking at it from a modern, Western perspective. If you and you family had jack shit for as long as you could remember and then suddenly got access to resources like housing, education, healthcare, etc. you'd be singing a different tune.

>>79652267
>his parents lived in the shitty Brezhnev era
my condolences. My folks fled in 1918 before the shitshow could get fully underway.

>>79658314
same with Die Linke and the ex-GDR region

>>79658237
60% of the population in a country die for Communism, and that is your question?

>>79658357
So Cambodia is the only country that has "failed"?

>>79658338
You sound like one of the Nazis. Tens of million dead, but look, factories!

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>>79658384
>tens of millions of dead Congolese, but look, Dunlop tyres!

>>79653798

Living space was shit but education and healthcare was on par with the USA.

>>79658384
>Tens of million dead
Why stop there, bro? You can always go higher. I mean, it's not like anyone is going to hold you accountable to what you say. The bigger the better.

>>79657995
>implying it will be automated before your death
>implying communism doesn't lead to technological stagnation
They could have created automated factories but chose to pursue the weapons race and the space race instead

>>79658415
The difference is almost no one outside of /pol/ wants that guy back or agrees with the things he did to the natives through colonialism.

>>79658184
>Have you read Das Kapital?
At this point only capitalists have read it, there's basically nothing about communism in it and it's one of the few books on economic theory that tries to explain how capitalist economics works. Sure it's somewhat outdated but everything else tends to consist of moral arguments rather than any kind of research.

>>79658495
lol it fails to explain it because it bases itself on flawed logic. Its value theory is flat out wrong. And the capital gains part is bullshit too.

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>>79658442
>communism
>technological stagnation

>>79658573
>proves my point
Meanwhile in 1989 they were still producing goods with 60s tech

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>>79658462
you benefit from colonialism greatly, as does everybody in the west

liberalism just pushes it's own genocides under the rug

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Who will play him?

>>79658596
and under glorious capitalism they produce krokodil

and still use Soviet era tanks

>>79658635
They inherited a country anchored to the past and the transition was handled in the worst possible way

The levels of indoctrination in this thread evidenced by the commies is alarming. No remorse, no second thoughts, just blindly getting ready for a new slaughter.

They seem to forget the early true believers are the first purged by the new regime.

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>>79658664
>the transition was handled in the worst possible way

yes, with capitalism

now you're getting it

>>79658596
>Meanwhile, after decades of economic and cold war...
Been reading a lot of soviet history lately and its made me wonder how the world would have turned out if Truman never got the VP appointment.

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>>79652009

>>79658716
Yet other countries with capitalism are doing far better. It seems the common problem here is that Russia is shit.

>>79658495
>and it's one of the few books on economic theory that tries to explain how capitalist economics works
It's terribly misguided and flawed.

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>>79658786
>when my ideology fails it's not the ideology's fault but Cambodia proves communism will never work

ok kiddo

>>79658664
They inherited a world superpower. The only nation that could stand up to the USA and NATO. After a full generation I think enough time should have passed for Capitalism to work its magic.

Why is Russia less powerful after a megadose of Capitalism in the 90s? Shouldn't it basically be the the Russian SSR under the USSR but better since it's no longer held back by Soviet "Communism"? If you applied Capitalism to the USSR shouldn't you get the USSR but more efficiency?

The experiment has come in. The results are free market failure, I'm afraid.

>>79658821
>USSR
>able to go against post-WW2 USA & NATO in military one on one

Hahahashyhsahfashdashd ashdsahdHAHAHAHHAHa

fucking HELL

>>79658819
I never said anything of the sort. Are you ok?

>>79658786
>It seems the common problem here is that Russia is shit.
that's irrelevant to the discussion. Was it shittier during communism, or after communism?

>>79658845
>he doesn't know about WARPAC
wew lad

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>>79658845
I'd love to see 1955 America try to invade 1955 Russia

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>>79658819

BIG JIM

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>>79658883
I'd like to see 1955 Russia try to invade 1955 America.

>>79652009
He does kinda looks like DiCaprio.

>>79658877
nigga hahah don't make me fucking laugh i'm dying of laughter here at commie power fantasies

destroyed, burnt to shit, resource starved East Europe wouldn't handle shit lmao

>>79657659
Anarchism.

>>79658786
>Haiti
>Cuba
Hmm

>China
>India
Hmmm

>Vietnam
>Nearly any third world nation like DR Congo or whatever
huh

>Yugoslavia
>Collective capitalist Balkans
Well, maybe if you're a Slovenian or Croatian, I guess.

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>>79658885
based

up the ra lads

>>79653484
Russians are not asian or negro. Western actors can apply perfectly.

>>79658877
It was clearly shittier during communism.

>>79658945
tell that to their GDP, HDI, life expectancy and the generations that lived under gommunism

>>79658728
Soviet Union extending from the Pacific to the Atlantic?
The US and UK were believed there was a 25% chance Stalin wouldn't stop at Germany and would continue across Europe. And there is no question that they could have, Patton or not.

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>>79658925
>USA
>France
>Germany
>Japan
>South Korea
>just about any other developed nation
I guess these don't count because they're successful. Stay buttblasted commie ;^)

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>>79658993
PATTON MENTIONED

>>79652009
The thing people don't understand in biopics (and adaptations or previous work).

It's not the look of the actor that's important. That can be worked around pretty easily, gain some weight, muscle, cut your hair, grow a beard, make up and such.

It's the actor himself. Now i don't know Lennin at all, but i suppose he was a great orator, who can instigate passion in a large crowd of people. I also assume he was pretty clever.

I don't think Di Caprio could do it. He doesn't seem like a leader to me, in all his previous film. Not a calm intelligent leader. He always has an immature rage inside him, he acts like an adolescent when he's angry.

>>79653312
Go back to krautchan, mate
t. ukrainian

>>79658716
You dense motherfucker, what I'm saying is that the transition was done in the worst imaginable way, riddled with corruption. No self respecting capitalist would defend crony "capitalism". BTW it wouldn't have ever happened if not for communism.
>>79658821
Statism and corruption isn't "free market"

>>79653941
Underrated. Classic

>>79657682
Good enough to win ww2.

>>79659037
>corruption isn't "free market"

>>79657133
Also Cuba under Castro sold the blood of its citizens. Pretty hard to defend

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>>79659037
>No self respecting capitalist would defend crony "capitalism".

it's all capitalism

Comfiest show in history. The /tv/ commies would have destroyed Rob and Laura. Fuck commies!

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>>79659055
With lend lease
>mfw the mighty USSR had to beg the filthy capitalists for help

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>>79659081
Then I guess starving in breadlines is all communism too m8.

nah, i read a 3 paragraph article on the horrors of capitalism in salon and now i'm an expert and truly woke

>>79659066
Yet he is a hero to the Left.

>>79659081
Not capitalism, because the goods being dealt weren't obtained via voluntary exchange but rather under the threat of the monopoly of violence, said threats many times carried out (gulags)

>>79652267
In such luxury that officials decided to fuck it, and actually grab the fucking country to themselves due to privatization.

And if THEN "luxury was" some special dacha and a good car, now "luxury" is some fucking castle for a dacha, couple others somewhere in the Spain or Britain and fucking yacht full of whores and coke. Not to mention... how many billions were found at some low life police minister's house?

Thanks, but i'd rather take "luxury" of Soviet officials.

>>79659134
>it's not TRUUUUUUUUUEE capitalism

>>79659125
Says more about the left than about him to be honest

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>>79652009
Don Knotts. He would be fucking ruthless. give him a nosejob and bingo bonanza

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>>79659111
nah

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>>79659149
Don't you faggots say the same thing about communism all the time?
And no, neocon politics aren't capitalism. They're just socialism lite.

>>79659180
>Don't you faggots say the same thing about communism all the time?
So is it a valid argument or not?

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>>79659134
>implying voluntary exchange is possible under a hierarchical system

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>>79659149
>It's not true capitalism.
Got that one right, stupid commie

>>79659180
>everyone who isn't an ancap is a socialist

>>79659110
Without Russia, brits would be speaking German.

>>79653326
Lenin might not, Stalin was, though.
But then again, Stalin "invented" comparatively effective rotation system suitable for the pigs that comprise low-level (and high-level) bureaucracy. (Never ever seen the more greedy, dumb and overall disgusting thing that russian (Ukrainian, Belarussian)"chinovnik".)

>>79659205
without USA backing up USSR in WW2 Europe would be in a much better state under the Third Reich.

>>79659081
>it's all capitalism
It's all communism. Don't disown your own, from CCCP right up to Cuba and NK.

Just announce in advance what demographic you are genociding this time to create your utopia.

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>>79659241
>CCCP
lrn 2 cpel

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>>79659241
>killing kulaks
>genocide

aha oh wow

>>79659205
Without Brits and americans, Slavs....would be dead.

>>79659290
if Allies backed Germany against Soviet Russia things would be much better.

Goddamn.

>>79659012
Yes, those are all very successful nations. And then there are very unsuccessful Capitalist nations. Take you pick of Africa. Most of the world minus "the West" + Japan really.

>I guess these don't count because they're successful.
It's called Cherry picking. You compare the most prosperous of the world against some of the most struggling. With the exception of the GDR there basically have been no "Communist" first world nations. All the revolutions have happened in developing countries and suffered immense economic sabotage by the USA. But you don't ever compare them to other developing countries, which don't even have to deal with the same shit.

>>79659300
If only Germany didn't go full retard and tried to invade all of Europe before that was a possibility.

>>79659200
where's this hierarchy you speak of? You know, your rights are the same of the richer people
>>79659199
Difference here is that it's not a Scotsman fallacy
>>79659204
pretty much, anything else is statism and leads to bigger and bigger government oppressing the individuals
http://www.fff.org/2012/08/30/the-immorality-of-small-government/

>>79659318
>south korea
>north korea
>not a fair comparison

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Vitaly Churkin

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>>79659318
>Capitalism success rate.
>the West.

>Communism success rate.
>nothing

Good argument lad. I like this.

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>>79659300
>>79659290
>>79659327
sore loser convention right here lmao

>>79659346
>Difference here is that it's not a Scotsman fallacy
WELL IF YOU SAY SO

>>79659349
That's hurts my delicate hipster feelings so please don't bring it up.

If communism is so good, how come China decided to open up and have a capitalism-based economy?

>>79659375
Lose what? The allies won ww2 anon.

>>79659300
Actually, yes. If the US had accepted German treaty offers to help against Stalin, the next 70 years would have been 100x better.

Think how many Cambodian and Chinese lives would have been saved. Genocide for political purposes would have been punished.

>>79659376
Dealing stolen goods isn't capitalism. The people should have been made shareholders.

>>79659382
if capitalism is so good, why was there a Chinese revolution in the first place?

>>79659300
This. Patton was right (that's why they killed him).

>>79659414
but systems where the workers don't own the means of production is totally socialism rite

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>>79659349
I'd say that is a fair comparison. One of the few. But there are reasons for North Korea's troubles (namely they are extremely economically isolated).

But when you compare Cuba to other Caribbean nations suddenly everyone clams up. No you have to compare it to fucking France. No one want to explore why Communist China has been doing well as a developing nation. Before you defensively say everything good about China is because Capitalism and everything bad is Communism compare more Capitalist friendly Indian right next door.

>>79659409
>the next 70 years would have been 100x better.

70 years of Yeltsin shitters

yuck

>>79659290
Without brits and americans, wed all be speaking French! Oui Napoleon'

>>79659482
>Communist China
Doesn't exist anymore m8, and hasn't for a long time. Come on commie, you should know this.

>>79653312
>Let's show the stupid townsfolk bydlo, who is the Man here!
>Hey, townfolk pigs, thanks for healthcare and education, but fuck you, now pay 100 roubles or starve to death
>Hey, hey, why we are being collectivized?
>Let's kill our cattle so those pigs won't receive it (in reality, so "these pigs will be forced to take EVERYTHING instead of a small part")
>Let's steal grain from those townsfolk pigs, after all, it's property of kolhoz, so no one will kick our ass
>Inb4 NKVD, why, we dindu nuffin, those illegal windmills grew up themselves. Bloody oppression, reeeee.
>Haha, stupid Muscovites forced to feed us from their reserves, Glory to Ukraine!
>What does it mean "no reserves left" this year?
>What does it mean "the bread is poisoned and inedible"?
>What does it mean "we killed the cattle that we could butcher for meat"?
>KLYATY MOSKALI! HOLODOMOR! GENOCIDE OF UKRAINE!

Famine touched many regions of USSR and not only (Polish part of Ukraine included), but only in fucking Ukraine it went so hardcore due to complete greed. Greed overshadowing even survivability instincts.

>>79657133
>ran a sex tourism empire for hard currency

So, basically, the only thing bad about him is that he didn't do it for Murrika, like Batista did?

>>79659382
The Communist Party of China still states Utopian Socialism is their end goal.

>>79659444
Despite your impressive trips, you are off base. Patton proposed attacking the CCCP too late, after the Germans were destroyed. The Americans didn't have enough divisions or equipment in Europe to even defend,against the Soviets, let alone attack.

In '42 and '43, the Allies were offered German surrender in return for the Allies helping against the Soviets. It would have worked.

In '45, no chance.

>>79659611
>CCCP
lrn 2 cpel

>>79659553
>greed
In the mind of a leftist, keeping the fruits of your labor is greed. Fucking thief enabling cucks.

>>79652137
All I would see is Leo in make up doing a "russian" accent.

>>79657858
Stalin.

Watching the "democratic and not communist at all" libtards now proves that NKVD was too fucking tame.

>>79659647
>keeping

>>79659374
Almost all of the vaguely successful developing nations have been Communist or at least heavily socialist. The success rate of capitalist in third world development outside of the west club has been utterly abysmal. The only odd man out is Japan. Why is that? Why has capitalism not set, say, the Philippines free?

Here's a proposition. France, UK, Netherlands, etc., these have all been successful BEFORE capitalism. like in the 1300s. What if successful nations just remained competitive and successful and then they called they credited their ruling class ideology as the reason for their supremecy rather than, say, protecting their advantages and exploiting the weak?

Correlation != causation. You could say Protestantism also correlates with success by the same associations. Maybe if we mass convert Cambodia to Protestantism it will become Singapore 2.0.

>>79659593
That's what they tell the people so that the masses don't revolt and make their heads roll, lol.

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>>79659647
>implying it isn't the capitalists who are the thieves

>>79659697
this post is so retarded it gave me dick cancer

>>79659733
this post is so retarded it gave me double dick cancer

>>79659611
I agree with you, what I'm saying is he was right when he said that we defeated the wrong enemy. We got played by the jews and their eternal shabbos goys the anglos, lead by Churchill the warmongering shill.

>>79652068
>>79652097
^
>>79652137
Nah

>>79653391
cyka brdo

>>79659695
>>79659702
educate yourselves
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGWNg-pCiSE

>>79659583
Do your research.
Americans were more than welcome. They were advised to fly to Mexico City to connect to Havana. Cuba would staple a paper in the passport, but no permanent stamp so US immigration wouldn't know. $5 a night for a girl in the '90s, rose to $30 per night in 2010....invisible hand, you know.

The primary customers were Dutch and Germans. It was the primary source of hard currency for 25 years.

Go search on google. You can find which hotels allowed whores inside, where to find cute boys, how much to tip for a blowjob, which discos had the best looking freelancers, everything.

Also, check the location of the AIDS and homosexual concentration camps. Because communism, yo.

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>>79653312
>He actually believes that Ukuck propaganda

>>79658898
Newsflash, matey, there was NOTHING in USSR even close to "Dropshot" or operation Unthinkable.

Last commie that wanted to go with "World Revolution" died in 1940 from an overdose of ice pick in a skull. Not to mention very "warm" relations with the whole Komintern.

All the other shit was from the wealthiest at the West being scared shitless that people might get pissed enough to prepare gallows for them.

It was always west who was scared shitless of Reds.

It was West that had pamphlets about Reds planning to sterilize every American because why not.

It was West that had the retarded "duck and cover" drills that scared the shit out of kids, while USSR, I admit, quite stupidly, tried to push the whole "USA government are dicks but the average Joe is a chill guy" meme.

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will Based Zizek direct this biokino?

>>79652009
Eric Roberts

>>79659869
We're just comparing military might here anon. Neither side actually wanted to invade the other and you're retarded if you think otherwise.

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>>79659830
>ron paul in the thumbnail

what are you, 15?

>>79659012
>USA pumps money that was made by chilling back during WW2 into other states.
>Hurr durr, them commies needing to repair their cities after war, what a losers!

Khruschev made a terrible mistake.
Hitler as well.

>>79659869
Cuba being used by the Soviets to instigate revolutions in Central and South America, and Africa, which no one denies, are lies.

Yeah, fuck off commie.

>>79659134
One question: starving mother prostituting herself for food - it's voluntarily enough? Or not enough?

>>79653312
>Ukrainians
>>>/x/

>>79659981
>Cuba being used by the Soviets to instigate revolutions in Central and South America, and Africa, which no one denies, are lies.
wasn't claimed

>>79659346
Richer people have more resources not only to protect their rights, but also to curb (and effectively) rights of others. Your capitalist paradise will turn into Banana republic sooner than you will say "but muh rights!"

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>>79659922
Said the guy shilling for totalitarianism. If anyone is underage here, it's you.

>>79660042
It's voluntary, of course.

>>79659482
>Cuba

Cuban refugees from Castro remind me of the rapefugees that don't want to go to neighbouring shitholes, but settle for Germany/France/Sweden.

Also, spiking the crime rates in latter countries.

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>>79660095
Nice conjecture. I bet you think memes such as pic related are accurate.

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>>79660101
>shilling for totalitarianism

who in the what now?

>>79660196
>communism isn't totalitarian
nice meme

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>>79660214
>what is anarcho-communism, syndicalism, mutualism, libertarian socialism, democratic confederalism, communilism and libertarian municipalism

read more kiddo, go back to skool

>>79660095
>200 years of screaming about capitalism going tits up banana republic infernal flames
yet here we still stand greater than ever before despite shitty socialist critique

end yourself negro

>>79659647
>keeping the fruits of your labor is greed

Especially if said fruits are provided by usury and cabal debts.
What's most funny is that in sooner time people like you will bitch about "dem joos" and "dem banks" doing exactly the same.

> Fucking thief enabling cucks

>Not wanting to pay fuckton for basic food.
>thief enabling cuck
>Bending over to every nigger to pay more and more until his greed is satiated
>honest civilian and good goy.

Who's the cuck there, matey?

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>>79657509
Elba it is then!

>>79660279
How do you enforce that if not by the monopoly of violence? The only true anarchy is anarchocapitalism.

>>79660056
So, they Soviets WERE instigating Communist revolutions in Asia (Cambo, Viet, Laos, Burma, etc), South and Central America (virtually every country), Europe (Greece, etc.), Africa (Uganda, Angola, Mozambique, etc.).

I guess someone kept instigating global communism after 1940, after all.

>>79660344
>what is competition
>what is equilibrium price
You know what's funny? The USSR had to look at the US to price goods because of how useless the marxist theory of valor is

>>79660387
literally imagine thinking this

and google rojava shitferbrains

>>79660414
>valor
meant to say value

>>79660437
I'm sure Marxist theory of valor is just as useless.

>>79660174
Don't confuse Cubans and Haitians.

>>79652009
J.k. Simmons would kill it

>>79660443
kek

>>79660174
funny that the closest thing to cuba is florida

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>>79660298
>yet here we still stand greater than ever

Because every time your "sensible capitalists" fuck things up, the "ebil state" worked as safe cushion.

Not to mention the old good "upper class makes expenses and debts, low-life peasants pay these debts and expenses".

And even then you managed to lose your fucking jobs to illegals and Chinese.

And the funniest thing is that cucks like you will never admit that globalism is the logical conclusion and product of businesses going on a world scale. You will either autistically label it "crony capitalism" or, even more autistically, label it as a type of communism.

Pray the Lord that Trump actually gets with the "bring back the jobs" before he gets Kennedied with silent agreement from every transnational corporation. Since on the one based Trump, there will be hundred, if not thousand, Goldenshekelbaums that will gladly whore off your pathetic country for a little bit more signs in their bank accounts somewhere in the offshore zones.

>>79660561
>nazis end up shooting themselves because they can't hold a shovel and a gun at the same time

pottery

also, Nazi Germany was capitalist

>>79660569
>And even then you managed to lose your fucking jobs to illegals and Chinese.
You need to educate yourself Iva. Internet memes are not reality.

>>79660595
>Nazi Germany was capitalist
Blatant lie