/who/ - Doctor Who General

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They almost changed the tardis to a red telephone box with blacked out windows

>>79648025
What is the meaning of this picture?

>>79648025
Which Doctor is the middle left image?

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>>79648140
I don't know why this triggers me so much but it does. I mean it's not like having a red telephone booth instead of a blue police box would automatically make the writing worse or affect anything else about the show, really. But I just know if this had been the new series I would consider it not muh real Doctor Who.

Recons>Animation?

>"Untitled 2008 Christmas special"[edit]
On Christmas Eve, an alien creature attaches itself to author J.K. Rowling. Suddenly, the real world is replaced by a magical reality influenced by the writer's own imagination. The Doctor must battle witches and wizards to reach Rowling and put the world to rights.[216]

>>79649106
I usually prefer the animations even though they're shitty. Having things actually move is just so important to the feel of a television show.

>>79649170
You know, Voyage of the Damned wasn't really that bad.

>>79649256
I read somewhere that it wasn't done because they weren't sure how good of an actor J.K could be.

>>79649596
I remember reading that Tennant practically begged RTD not to do it.

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>>79649256
We got The Next Doctor instead of the JK Rowling one.

>>79649596
>>79649754
Yeah, I read that Tennant thought it sounded too 'spoofy'.

>>79649797
>black faceplate cibber
got to be the worst attempt at a cyberman variant possible

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>>79650067

>>79649170
"Fans" complained bitterly about a superhero Xmas special.

Imagine the howls of hatred if RTD had made a Who/ world of Harry Potter hybrid.

>>79651570
If RTD did it they'd fall over themselves praising it

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Holy shit. Didn't expect them to bring back him for the finale

>>79649170
>>79651570
I remember when I first heard about this I thought it sounded great and wished it had been made. But that was before I'd ever watched any Doctor Who.

>>79652326
That is such a beautiful piece of art. Can someone send it to Adam? I am sure he would approve.

Anyone wonder if Utopia was the first time the Doctor subconsciously ran away from Jack?

He'd been on Earth several times previously after being made immortal, specifically in School Reunion, where he parked the Tardis in a cupboard in a school, Fear Hear, Love and Monsters, where both times he parked it in public, but nowhere near where Jack would have been, in Army of Ghosts the Tardis landed near Rose's home, which is amazing that Jack didn't find out about because he admitted to watching her. Then it was brought to Canary Wharf.

Then, he went back to Earth the following Christmas, but the Tardis was in transit many times in that episode so it might have been hard for Jack to track down, or maybe Ten was sensing Jack was in the city and trying to keep it from being fixed down?

Then there's Smith and Jones, where he left it in an alley when that hospital was taken to the moon. It's conceivable Jack found it, but maybe couldn't get away from Torchwood, or waited hours for the Doctor to return and couldn't wait any longer. But if he found it, why didn't he just open it and hide inside? Then it landed in Martha's apartment in Lazarus Experiment, makes sense Jack couldn't find it then.
Then nothing until the Angels found it in Blink. Now Jack could have heard about it since it was kept in a police station, but maybe it wasn't widely discussed.

Which brings us to Utopia. Jack had just been dead for several days, then came back. He's more confused then ever about his immortality, when sudden, his doctor detector starts going off, and he see's the Tardis materializing near the Rift, where he runs and clings to the other side and the adventure proceeds as we saw.

So all those times Jack didn't encounter the Doctor, was Jack just dumb and unable to find him when he was in the same time zone, or was Ten intentionally parking the Tardis in areas he couldn't sense Jack on a subconscious level, if he could help it?

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>>79653113
was it ever shown/known when Jack/Torchwood came into possession of the Hand.

Saying Gareth has been erased triggers Gallifrey Base so much I love it.

>>79653199
It had to have been after The Christmas Invasion sometime, but it can't have been too long because it hadn't started to atrophy (assuming Time Lord limbs that are removed atrophy at the same rate as human ones). Torchwood had to have been sweeping up the mess caused by the ship and its destruction, it makes sense either Torchwood 3 and Jack was there to find the hand, or Torchwood 1 found the hand and Jack found out about it and stole it.

>>79649256
With recons, I like seeing what we could have seen if the episode survived.

Voyage of the damned is a comfy fun romp

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>>79653266
yeah I figured that as well but Jack never said.

I really like your thoughts here though. Just some things because I am not clear.

Where was the hand at any given time London, Cardiff or in between?
What's the range of the hand's reaction, how far can it reach?
When did Jack/Torchwood realise that it was The Doctor's hand?

>The Ice Warriors (episodes 1 & 4–6 of 6, with both animated full and "telesnap" partial reconstructions of episodes 2 & 3
Are there recons/telesnaps on the Ice Warriors DVD?

>>79653502
Since it was just in a jar, it was easily portable. Jack could have very well just waited until hearing about some sort of disturbance involving aliens, grabbed a car and the hand and went to investigate, but simply not arrived in time, or been unable to find the Tardis, the Doctor or his companion. Or if the doctor was out of contact with the Tardis, like in Smith and Jones when he was stuck on the moon, the Tardis could have de-materialized by itself and rematerialized later when Jack had gone, to prevent him from getting inside with his Tardis key.

As for when Jack realized it was the doctor's hand, Harriet Jones and her right hand man both saw it get chopped off, then probably heard about what was recovered and put two and two together and either told Jack or found out about it by shagging assistants and soldiers to get information.

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Anyone else wish we'd gotten more time with Yana!Master?

He gave me chills when he screamed at Chantho "That is not my name!"

Bless Derek Jacobi.

>>79653582
Cool you've made me think about it.
My bad memory with Harriet being there. And your other theory is downright believable. Excellent

Going Back to the Doctor running away from Jack, maybe why all of the unknown criss-crossing and just missing could've been the TARDIS avoiding Jack.

>>79653113
>subconsciously
he sees jack coming

>>79653784
Yes! Like in Idiots Lantern, when Ten and Rose were heading to 70's New York but ended up in 50's London, maybe it sensed that Jack was in 70's New York at the time for one reason or another. It would honestly explain so much.

>Alright let's go to <insert year here>! *activates Tardis*
>Tardis gets scared and senses Jack, decides to go to a far off planet in orbit around a black hole instead

>Alright Rose, ready for 1979? *activates Tardis*

>Tardis gets terrified, senses Jack in 1979 and goes to 1879, where yes, Jack is still around and active but probably isn't in Scotland, and then drops them right in the middle of events that would lead to Torchwood being created

>>79653653
Should have stayed instead id Simm

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>>79653936
>>Tardis gets terrified, senses Jack in 1979 and goes to 1879, where yes, Jack is still around and active but probably isn't in Scotland, and then drops them right in the middle of events that would lead to Torchwood being create

Wow awesome thought. It makes so much sense now you out it like that.

>Minister of War
>Harold Saxon was the Prime Minister
>Prime Ministers are also usually cabinet ministers beforehand

Minister of War is MISSY?!?!

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>>79653653
>there will never be Hurt/Jacobi audios

Guess which episode this is from.

Before the time war, Time Road knew that it came like a storm in the wind. There were many prophecies and stories, legends before the fact. One of them was about creatures called hybrids. Half Darek, Halftime Road, Ultimate Warrior. But who is it? Does it bring about peace or destruction? Is it true or is it an illusion? I confess, I know that hybrids are true. I know where it is and what it is. I confess, I am afraid.

As you come tha fuck into dis ghetto, suttin' else be also born, so check it before ya wreck it. I aint talkin' bout chicken n' gravy biatch. Yo ass begin yo' game, n' it begins a trip towardz you, biatch. Well shiiiit, it moves slowly yo, but it never stops. Wherever you go, whatever path you take, it will follow. Never faster, never slower n' shiznit fo' realz. Always coming. Yo ass will run, it will strutt. Yo ass will rest, it will not. One day, yo big-ass booty is ghon linger up in tha same place too long. Yo ass will sit too still or chill too deep fo' realz. And when, too late, you rise ta go, yo big-ass booty is ghon notice a second shadow next ta yours. Yo crazy-ass game will then be over.

Yo ass can. I aint talkin' bout chicken n' gravy biatch fo' realz. And you will. Or dis street is ghon be over n' shit. I’ll show you n' all yo' funky lil playaz ta tha whole bustin up ghetto. Right back up in yo muthafuckin ass. Y'all KNOW dat shit, muthafucka! I’ll brang UNIT, I’ll brang Zygons. Gimme a minute, I’ll brang tha Daleks n' tha Cybermen. I aint talkin' bout chicken n' gravy biatch. Yo ass will save Clara n' yo big-ass booty is ghon do it now or I'ma drizzle hell on you fo' tha rest of time.

Finale titles confirmed:

That's Gareth Part 1
That's Gareth Part 2

Could this mean the Christmas Special is titled "Twelfth Night"?

>>79654605
What are they thinking revealing these so early. Massive spoilers

>>79655057
Yeah I cant believe that particular character is returning. Looks like Moffat really is going for the "Journey's End" or "End of Time" fan-fest style ending

>>79655084
Yea but even RTD had some restraint. This is overkill t b h

>>79649106
Planet 55 had gotten really good at them. Really a shame they aren't doing more. Reign of Terror was kind of bad, but their Moonbase is by far the best way to watch those missing episodes.

With PotD I had watched the narrated recon, the animation one was horrible but it did add something I didn't get before which was the amount of awkward silence in the first scene. I never realized how funny it was supposed to be because I had always seen it with someone talking between the dialogue, but just having Polly and Ben staring dumbfounded at this weird guy digging through shit smiling. I prefer the recon for this story but the animation does offer some benefit.

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best companion coming through

>>79655458
Please stop.

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>>79655844

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this is /jenna/ general now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRkqlpZeGq8

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OOOh what's this? A threadly reminder?

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>>79656182

>>79656116
literally crying rn

>>79648025
Not going to lie. I don't even know what doctor who is. I always hear the name and I think to myself "doctor WHO"??? Is it more cape shit?

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>>79656116
I'm not ready, guys. I know he's leaving but the realization hasn't truly hit me yet.
fuck.

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She's really gone and we're never going to have her back again are we /who/?

01 Rose
02 Tooth and Claw
03 The Girl in the Fireplace
04 The Empty Child (1/2)
05 The Doctor Dances (2/2)
06 Human Nature (1/2)
07 Family of Blood (2/2)
08 Silence in the Library (1/2)
09 Forest of the Dead (2/2)
10 Midnight
11 Blink
12 Heaven Sent

This would be the ultimate Doctor Who series. With Eccleston as 9.

>>79656610
its a sci fi

>>79657574
>Tooth and Claw

why?

>>79657796
Just a fun generic episode in which you could introduce a companion and show the dynamic between them.

>>79657820
Wouldn't keeping the End of the World in that spot do that better?

>>79657845
Yeah, I went for Tooth and Claw over that because I prefer that episode but EOTW would probably be better.

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Because you're not the first to have written to the show, oh, there have been so many!

And what you've got to ask yourself is...

...What happened to them?

>>79648143
The "Cartmel Masterplan".

AKA the best thing that never happened.
I still consider it canon, tho.

vote
http://www.strawpoll.me/12380614
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>>79658370
>Mark Gatiss with five votes
Is this bait?

>>79657574
>http://www.strawpoll.me/12380614
A lot of two parters. Put Midnight and Blink between a few to break up the pace a bit

Why exactly did Moff ruin The Last Great Time War?
Not only Gallifrey was saved, but we've seen Timelords onscreen, and they were just a generic alien race who were under siege. It didnt look at all like what 9 and 10 were describing to us

>Corrupt Timelords who became daleks v2
>Nightmare Child who eats the whole starfleets
>Weapons of mass destruction people cant imagine
Instead we got pew-pew I'm shooting lasers at people, look, war is terrible!

>>79657413
No, we're on to bigger tits and better things, see >>79656182

>>79657413
Just wait until Peter's regeneration ;)

Steven Berkoff apparently was the cause that the ending of Power of Three got fucked, according to GB.

>>79659996
More details please

>>79659996
Was it originally supposed to be longer/a two-parter?

>>79658370
>It's another "Mark Gatiss creates 6 IP's" day

>>79659996
Okay, chibbers. Sure, the shittiness of all your episodes wasn't your fault.

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>10 minutes into The Caretaker and chill and he gives you this look

what do you do?

>>79660190
>>79660148
>My favourite behind the scenes thing about Power is that because it was so rushed to make Chris had to write it whilst on holiday, and without his wife knowing...getting up early and sneaking off to coffee shops to write a page at a time before heading back. It must have made the themes of the episode and its central double life that Amy and Rory are living that bit more personal!

>We don't really know, apart from that he behaved very badly and uncooperatively and either wouldn't perform what he was asked to or deliberately sabotaged his performance. Perhaps he thought Doctor Who was beneath him... in which case he shouldn't have agreed to appear in it.

>It must have been quite a massive dive in expectations for Power of Three from "oh my GOD! Steven Berkoff is going to be in my episode!" to "oh my GOD! Steven Berkoff is making a complete ¤¤¤¤ing mess of my episode!" to "oh my GOD! Steven Berkoff has left his sequences so unutterably awful that I have to rewrite AFTER IT'S ALREADY BEEN SHOT!" to "all I can use to end my episode are the regular cast, some black drapes, and some stock computer screens!"

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>>79656610
It's about an ancient alien time traveler who can travel anywhere in space or time (but usually ends up fighting alien invasions in present day UK for some reason).

Oh, and he often has an attractive female companion traveling with him. But that's not important.....not at all.....of course.

>>79660278
Fuck off. Just fuck off.
Do you realise most of his Silurian episodes was cut because they could'nt afford more prosthetics?

Anyone seen this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3-0ZIRU7Ic

>>79660901
Right, right. Definitely not your fault at all mr. chibman. And let me guess that 42 sucked because of RTD rewrites?

>>79661211
42 was fine, it's not outstanding but it's fine.
I bet you like Hell Bent or something, you abomination.

>>79660951
This one is better.

https://youtu.be/eO3veBHQ7aQ

>>79661258
Well it is the best finale

>>79661324
Oh, this is you. Makes sense now.
Fuck Offerino.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cg7CEcqSgAo

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>>79661258
Honestly why do people have a thing against Hell Bent? It's the best episode of Clara Who. And I love Clara, so it is objectively the best episode.

>>79648140
it's proven fake, David Burton is talking shit
http://www.endofthelane.co.uk/burton.html

>>79661402
I will never understand why people like Clara.
Yes, she's attractive and maybe qt, great to fap to, but caring about this character is beyond understanding. No character, no proper backstory, but for some reason she's the most important in the universe, who is also immortal time traveller now.

>>79661653
But anon she blew into this world on a leaf.

>>79661725
Wow!

Girly Letters/Anathema triggers me so fucking much.

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Say hello to number #13.

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>>79661995
>tfw found her Facebook and LinkedIn

>>79662077
I found it ages ago and never found it since.

>>79662163
It's really easy m8.

>>79661995
She has no life. And attacks and drills for info off people who haven't a clue about DWSR for information if they even shook Peter Capaldi's hand.

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>>79648025
>Mother, I hear thunder. Mother, I hear shouting. You’re my world but I hear other worlds now. Beyond the unfolding of your smile, is there other kindness? I’m afraid. Will they be kind

>>79662210
She went to the zoo yesterday m8! She totally has a life! She posted it on her Instagram!

>>79662262
is she a qt?

>>79662205
Never mind. Found it again

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>>79662281
>is she a qt?

>>79662291
See?

>>79662281
She's in her late 50s it seems.

>>79662281
No. Her husband looks like moff though

>>79648025
Doctor who is fucking garbage.
It can tell any story in all of time and space and it always ends up a shitty looking celebration of mediocrity.
It's a predictable, safe formulaic children's show where the Le wacky man saves the day with some 'witty' banter and a 'clever' scheme.
The Doctor never goes anywhere in his development, just going from dark to light or dark to light depending on the incarnation.
It has no love for science or history, it just boils everything down for lowest common denominator. It's a waste of time and effort,
why don't you losers mature and watch some grown up television for a change.
You shouldn't watch doctor who unless it's with your own children but I really don't want you plebs procreating.

>>79662318
There are no pictures of him? Where are you? Her Instagram is only pictures of cabbages.

>>79662281
See Clara? Then forget her entirely, she looks nothing like her.

>>79662262
Link her instagram!

>>79662393
Cabbages sound fairly exciting

>>79662393
Her fb

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>>79662389
I know you're trying to bait, but the sad thing is you're right on all accounts.
That's why I only care about le mature spin-off-material

Girly letters is the typical annoying female fan who has ruined the fandom of Doctor Who.

>>79662426
Does she look anything similar to what a bacterial fungal nail infection resembles?

>>79662512
She looks like a standard lesbian. She's not fat or anything. But whilst she may annoy us, I don't think it's wise to attack her personally. Just let her get on with what she does.

>>79662512
She looks like someone I know oddly

>>79662776
Post her pic. I'm curious to see what she looks like.

https://twitter.com/OldRoberts953/status/834107528439033857

Gareth is fucking based. No fucks given. Comparing Muslims to Daleks.

>>79662795
I won't. Its on her facebook if you really want to see it. Its not that hard to find it

>>79662852
What's her name on facebook? girly letters?

>>79662825
ABSOLUTE SAVAGE

Don't post her pictures, it would be doxxing.

>>79662883
>doxxing.
>4chan

>>79662825
That's Gareth!

What did he mean by this?

>>79662867
Thats Gareth ;^)

SAY GOODBYE

https://youtu.be/jRkqlpZeGq8

>>79662968
Good. Capaldi sucked. Stop blaming the writers. He just never fit the part and that has nothing to do with his age, he lacks variety and charisma in his acting and comes across as non bothered.

>>79663031
You ain't triggering shit m8, after the fake Tennant praise you shifted but fat chance, try again :^)

God I pray day in and day out that a woman will not take the role of The Doctor.

Wait... we haven't seen Cloister in days. Is he okay?

>>79662968
These fan made trailers are shite, stop posting them

>>79663116
I'm fine.

>>79663116
>he posted ass shots of Belle on Twitter
What the actual fuck?

>>79663124
This trailer is literally better than anything the BBC have put out in recent years. The Caretaker next time trailer had 'I Am The Doctor' over it and the music wasn't in pace with the visuals - TERRIBLE!

>>79660382
Where's this from? That's a huge shame. I can't believe they got Steven Berkoff in - to be honest, he is above a 5 minute role as not-Pinhead-from-Hellraiser in Doctor Who. However, that's no excuse for not giving it his all. Was hoping Chibnall will bring the Shakri back - still could though, I suppose it's not just the one guy is it?

>>79661385
Were people groaning at the mention of Capaldi? It's nice that John Hurt seemed to enjoy doing this kind of thing anyway.

>>79661385
WTF Why was half the audiences grunting with despair when they mentioned Capaldi?

>>79662968
But Capaldi already left. They are using cg to recreate him in his last series according to some /who/ lunatic.

>>79663272
>>79663192
Kek, I hadn't noticed that first time round. How rude of them

>>79663192
>>79663355
Sounded like they were cheering/clapping to me.

>>79663490
Definitely a mix, you can clearly hear a woman say "oh no". Maybe it was meant as "oh no, they've got John Hurt, a respected, award winning actor, on stage and they're making him do this shit."

>>79662508
But she likes Capaldi and has done things like criticising the BBC consumer panel surveys for undetmining him.

So, after rereading Gareth's Four MAs and Shada, I have a question.

The Doctor is always noticing other men's "full, sensual lips", and the way those lips move, especially the bad guys'.

Meanwhile, the bad guys, and Romana, and the potential companions/guest characters of both sexes are always noticing the Doctor's "large, strong frame" and how it makes them feel safe and "girly".

Which one represents what Gareth is into, and which one represents what Gareth wants to be? (Honestly, I always figured he'd be more into asses than lips or shoulders, but I guess not.)

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WATCH IT HALF-FACE

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>>79664019
Anybody else hype for the complete sixie bluray?

>>79664505
I would if that was the cover

>>79663162
You mad she didn't post them here?

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What did they mean by this?

>>79648025
Why do people say H.G. Wells' time traveller is the Doctor?
also who's everyone else that isn't a morbiuspre-doctor and Cushing?

>>79664629
Where did they get the budget for so many aliens in Rings of Akhaten? Did they get more for the anniversary year or something?

>>79664735
Middle left guy is Nyarlathotep

>>79664735
>Why do people say H.G. Wells' time traveller is the Doctor?

Because some people haven't successfully blocked their memories of Timelash.

>>79664735
Shadowy blue face and beardy guy are versions of the Other, plus >>79664806. Don't know about the Greek (?) statue or Wells' Time Traveler - he was kind of a predecessor to the Doctor just in the history of SF, but not in-universe afaik. Unless you really stretch that quote about the Other being from a "primitive planet".

>>79659146
We only saw the last days of the Time War. Both fleets were exhausted, with their major weapons already deployed earlier in the war. All they had left in the final days was pew-pew lasers.

>>79661653
>but for some reason she's the most important in the universe
That was Donna not Clara.

>John Hurt's final audios are STILL not out
They're going to wait until the last day of the month, aren't they?

>>79664977
>Greek statue
That's a famous statue of Dionysus.

Maybe Dionysus is supposed to be a human attempt at representing the story of the Other or something? But I think it's just copying someone else's mistake that ends up all over the place. There was a website in the early days of the internet about ancient/classical time travelers that included his picture along with people like King Raivata from the Mahabharata and Jeremiah from the Apocrypha, even though he doesn't have any time travel myths like they do. And then he's mentioned in the book from Donnie Darko. And probably other places too.

>Wells' Time Traveler
Timelash (especially the novelisation) is meant to imply that Wells's time traveler was a fictionalised version of the Doctor. (The novelisation screws it up by saying Wells had just finished War of the Worlds and was looking for an idea for his next book, because The Time Traveler is actually a few books before War, not the next one, but ignore that.)

>>79665510
Clara saved Doctor infinite number of times.
What is more, she actually made him special Time Lord because she was in his past and did a leg thing in Listen.

Is Queen Victoria a Clara copy

>>79665479
The thing is, they're not fighting a space war, they're fighting a time war. Fleets and weapons shouldn't matter when be sending agents back to rewrite each other's history or finding ways around time transduction barriers or whatever should be far more important than having more guns at some particular point in spacetime.

But then RTD had already kind of ruined that by giving even the barest of details.

And even before RTD ripped off the war from Lawrence Miles, he'd already ruined it the same way with the military tech and tactics stuff mentioned offhand in Interference and Dead Romance, not to mention the Ancestor Cell turning it into a straightforward invasion of Gallifrey.

>>79665676
Without Queen Victoria, no Torchwood, so the Master leaves the Doctor stuck at the end of time forever.

>>79665750
What details did RTD give?
He only threw some names like Nightmare Child and Could've Been King.

Not sure which episode said "billion battle TARDISes" though

>>79665780
Maybe "Utopia" was post-Time War Gallifrey.

I hope Missy is the frenemy again, it would be boring if shes the big bad in series 10. I doubt she is though. I want to see Missy and the Doctor team up against a much greater threat. Capaldi said the threat was very cosmic in series 10, so here's hoping.

>>79666005
No. She needs to be reestablished as the Doctor's "best enemy" again or she won't be the Master anymore.

>>79666092
in series 11 maybe, i'm happy with the frenemy shit until a later date.

What would be the next occasion that there could be a multidoctor special? It would be a shame if we couldn't get more Capaldi before he got too old.

>>79666138
He's already old.

>>79665819
>What details did RTD give?
Very few, but all of them sounded space-war-y, not time-war-y.

Am I the only one triggered by Moffat giving up on explaining how Daleks / Master / Davros survive?

In 9x1 / 9x2 Davros just was there.
I'd be happy if he said something like "Haha I fell through time again Docta xD" but nobody doesnt even ask that question.

>>79666138
I doubt there'll be another until 2023 and that's only if the show lasts that long

>>79665850
>Maybe "Utopia" was post-Time War Gallifrey.
Yeah, but Queen Victoria is probably still hanging out there with her friend Arya Stark.

>>79666227
I think Moffat said that he didn't bother explaining it because they never bothered doing so in the Classic series.

>>79666179
As long as he's not in a wheelchair I'd like to see him in the role.

Hell, even if he's in a wheelchair, I want him in the role. They can just have him in the story rolling around in Davros's chair.

>>79666232
They could have The Five Doctors with 9, 10, 11, 12 and 13. And have 9 be stuck in the bleeding vortex again when he doesn't want to show up.

>>79666227
>Am I the only one triggered by Moffat giving up on explaining how Daleks / Master / Davros survive?
Most of the explanations have been incredibly stupid, and the times in the classic series where they just didn't bother were generally better than the times they gave yet another incredibly stupid explanation. I'm much more bothered by the fact that RTD insisted on doing the latter every time than the fact that Moffat hung a lampshade on doing the former one time.

>>79666290
>They could have The Five Doctors with 9, 10, 11, 12 and 13. And have 9 be stuck in the bleeding vortex again when he doesn't want to show up.
Wouldn't it be even more Five Doctors to have 9 stuck in the vortex and also have 12 replaced by a different actor because he's too old/dead to appear?

>>79666290
We'll probably be on the 14th Doctor by then

>>79666349
>We'll probably be on the 14th Doctor by then
Perfect! That's two times 7, so we can just redo that story, with all 14 Doctors and a slew of companions all just randomly turning into each other for no apparent reason. Maybe they can wander around Emmerdale Farm this time instead of Albert Square.

>>79666388
I want a Doctor Who/The Only way is Essex crossover

>>79666227
>Am I the only one triggered by Moffat giving up on explaining how Daleks / Master / Davros survive?
Missy actually did explain it in her next appearance. And the Daleks survive because the Doctor is no longer destroying the really really last ever Daleks for real and I mean it this time each time he meets them, the way he did until RTD, so there's no question of their survival in the first place.

>>79666311
But explaining things actually make people relate to the show, it makes people want to continue watching.

Do you think Parting of the Ways would be that powerful if Daleks wasnt BACK, if they were just there?
Nuwho wasnt cancelled after two series because people want to relate, even to archenemies. And you cant relate to enemies if they just pop up randomly,

>>79666427
>I want a Doctor Who/The Only way is Essex crossover
Now that Doctor Who has conquered America, clearly the next frontier is Mexico and Latin America in general. Which means we need a Doctor Who/La Venganza crossover.

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Favourite Master? and what i'd give for a Simm-Missy regen scene. Too bad Doctor Who fans ruined John Simm's life.

Is Chris Eccly the Tom Baker of nuWho?

Remember on the 50th anniversary when the BBC got dozens of companion actors from every era of the show, from Carole Ann Ford to Jenna Coleman, all in one room and then spent a quarter of the show interviewing One Direction because...because...becau-REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!

>>79666578
What makes you think the Simm Master regenerated into Missy?

PLEASE PURCHASE VESS SODA

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>>79666578
Alex Macqueen

>>79666458
>But explaining things actually make people relate to the show, it makes people want to continue watching.
But explaining things badly makes people scoff at your bad explanation and throws them out of their suspension of disbelief.

And there's only so many ways you can explain away a no-take-backsies permadeath before it's clear you're writing a bad panto.

>Do you think Parting of the Ways would be that powerful if Daleks wasnt BACK, if they were just there?
That works one time: the horror that the Doctor sacrificed everything to stop the Daleks and it turns out he didn't even succeed is a huge part of the story. But it doesn't work year after year. In Journey's End, the Daleks aren't back to add to the Doctor's tragedy, they're back because it's final time and we just did the Master. It would have actually been better if the Daleks were just still around, and the fact that they've impossibly come back yet again with another explanation that should have been impossible but the story cheated just cheapens the time they did that out of necessity in Parting.

https://youtu.be/844_IkhcP-g

Do people really dislike Murray?

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>>79666750

>>79666578
>No Shalka Jacobi robot Master

I am the Master, and you will… come to like me when you get to know me.

>>79666742
It's fairly obvious shes at least a post-simm incarnation.

>>79666690
>Remember on the 50th anniversary when the BBC got dozens of companion actors from every era of the show, from Carole Ann Ford to Jenna Coleman, all in one room and then spent a quarter of the show interviewing One Direction because...because...becau-REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!
It's almost like a televised version of every convo at the Tavern, or every one of the old Usenet-era proto-AMAs. It's Doctor Who fandom at its purest. If the new fans don't get that, they don't deserve the VNAs.

>>79666625
>Is Chris Eccly the Tom Baker of nuWho?
No, but only because he won't join the touring reunion of Little Britain replacing the dearly departed Tom because David and Matt are Doctor Who fans.

>>79666092
simm master was dying in eot

>>79666868
http://web.archive.org/web/20050301093713/http://www.planeteleven.co.uk/features/lmia/64thousand.php

Scroll down to questions 38-40, before Loz decided to stop answering questions about Kenickie because otherwise that would be the entire interview/AMA.

https://foolz.fireden.net/tv/thread/16187716/

WHY ISNT IT WORKING FOR ME

>>79666578
what the fuck happened in the Tom Baker era?

https://foolz.fireden.net/tv/thread/16187716/
https://foolz.fireden.net/tv/thread/16187716/
https://foolz.fireden.net/tv/thread/16187716/
https://foolz.fireden.net/tv/thread/16187716/
https://foolz.fireden.net/tv/thread/16187716/

WHY ISNT IT WORKING FOR ME
REEEE
WHY
IS IT WORKING FOR YOU?

>>79667464
>IS IT WORKING FOR YOU?
Yes.

>>79666755
>ear stories

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>>79667172
Ooh, never seen that interview before. Cool.

>>79667479
I *still* don't understand this pasta.

>>79667464
>>79667587
Yeah, can confirm.

>>79661971

>Appearance

It's the Adherents of the Repeated Meme. Fucking normies.

>>79667621
>Ooh, never seen that interview before.
Rereading it for the first time in many years… at the end of question 2, he basically suggested Moffat's Last Great Retcon, except that Moffat has the future Doctor creating the hoax and the war-era Doctor being in on it instead of one of the people taken in…

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I've only just realised Ten's tenure ended where it began. RTD you madman.

>>79666807
It's only a matter of time before Big Finish does SJA-without-SJ audios, right?

>>79668163
>It's only a matter of time before Big Finish does SJA-without-SJ audios, right?
Well, at least they won't do SJA-with-Jon-Culshaw-as-SJ audios. Probably.

>>79668202
Nah it'll be Briggs doing her voice. He won't do a perfect impression, but he'll give it a good old go.

>>79668128
>ended where it began
Poorly?

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>>79668506
Moffucks actually believe this.

>>79667621
Question 20: Papa Lazarou as a Time Lord. I knew I stole that idea from somewhere, but I didn't know I stole it from Loz. Which means it'll probably happen, right, because all of NuWho is stolen from him? Get on it, Gatiss!

>>79668506
kek

>>79668412
If we can get a picture of Briggs on the cover in SJ's hair and outfit from The Hand of Fear, I will buy it.

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>>79669425

>>79668128
Is it actually the same street though?

>>79660382
more like steven JACKOFF

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbnWmR7piEg

moff stole the "I don't like it" bit

>>79670831
It originally was just a cute nod to that incident until Moffat used it three times during his run.

CLOIBOI CLOIBOI
USES HIS SONIC SCREWDRIVER FOR A SEXTOY
CLOIBOI CLOIBOI
HAYES THE 7TH DOCTOR MCCOY

>>79670862
Moff used if twice
Godemperor used it once

>>79670862
Of all the lines to bring back into rotation, I wonder why he picked that one.
It belonged to Troughton.

>>79670831
If this is bait than it's honestly the best bait I think I've ever seen in /who/. Really riling me up

youtube.com/watch?v=UBO3Kvg7FJw
was it kino?

>>79670913
And Big Finish used it multiple times, and one of the novels, and probably a few times in the comics.

But it's simply inexcusable that Moffat should contribute to a pre-existing running joke like that. It's almost as bad as when he had someone react humorously to the TARDIS being bigger on the inside!

>>79671163
Don't forget the Five Doctors.

But Moffat did actually use it three times in his era, not two; you're probably forgetting when Eleven says it to Craig about literally redecorating his apartment.

>>79671163
>It's almost as bad as when he had someone react humorously to the TARDIS being bigger on the inside!
Does that even happen in the classic series? I can't think of any examples. I feel like it mostly became a thing in the new series. At least that level of self-awareness.

>>79648146
This was a serious question, please answer.

>>79671244
>written by godemperor not moff
And craig didn't redecorate his apartment, he moved
Know your Gareth

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I've been putting off actually rewatching Class for over a month now. I put enough effort into writing this whole big introduction; you'd think I'd be able to muster the strength to suffer through it again.
Anyone have a MEGA link for episode 7, by the way? It doesn't exist in any of the archived threads.

>>79671245
>Does that even happen in the classic series? I can't think of any examples. I feel like it mostly became a thing in the new series. At least that level of self-awareness.
Seriously?

>>79671245
Seriously? From the pilot episode where Ian turns around and goes back outside and come back in to the TV Movie bit about the motorcycle, it's all over classic Who.

>>79671309
>And craig didn't redecorate his apartment, he moved
Which makes it actually more of a joke on the Brig being angry that the Doctor redecorated his room using UNIT gear rather than realizing he'd got the TARDIS working again and they were inside it…

>>79671071
The episode or the scene? The episode was good, but not what I'd call kino. The scene is, though, especially at the end when the kids are cheering silently after you see them mouthing "jump!"
It's actually really fucking great. I don't get the Tennant hate. I bet if fan girls didn't love him so much, people would leave him alone.

>>79671309
>>written by godemperor not moff
Three times in Moff's era (one of those three by Gareth, Closing Time), or three times by Moff (one of those three in RTD's era, Time Crash). Either way, correcting someone for saying Moff used it three times is unfair.

>>79671380
Do you seriously have to react like this? Seriously?

You're right about the TV movie thing, that's definitely a "bigger on the inside" gag. As for Ian going back outside, I don't know. I think there's a pretty big difference between a realistic reaction of bewilderment at the TARDIS, and playing it for laughs. Not saying you're wrong about it being "all over classic Who", because like I said, I can't remember, and I was just genuinely asking about it. But being able to name two examples from a few decades of television isn't very convincing. In the new series, basically every single time somebody enters the TARDIS for the first time there is guaranteed to be a "bigger on the inside" joke, and I feel like that was mostly established after the classic series.

>>79671245
If this is bait than it's honestly the best bait I think I've ever seen in /who/. Really riling me up

>>79671245
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=is-Gnyk4AWE

Doesn't include the pilot, and only one reference per episode, and includes all of the non-jokey ones as well as the jokey ones.

Moffat hasn't reused the "It's bigger on the inside! "That's because it's dimensionally transcendental." "What does that mean? "It means it's bigger on the inside." In fact, most of the jokey versions he reused came from the novels, not the classic show (like Rory's).

>>79671551
>Do you seriously have to react like this? Seriously?
If people are going to complain about how Moff is ruining the show by doing something classic Who never did, then they ought to actually know what classic Who actually did.

If you're not the original anon that the reply was a reply to, then apologies. But this, just like the "redecorated" thing the original anon was complaining about, is a running joke from the classic series, and any 90s fan would know that, but NuWho fans nevertheless accuse Moffat of ruining the show by creating it and/or overusing it.

>>79671326
mega dot nz slash #F!zNAVyT7B
key - !Q4ospBqaL77ECAJfXG-LkA

How did the old tardis have giant zigzaggy door hinges on one side while the outside door was a small wooden police box door? You can even see the back side of the giant interior doors and it's super thick and not at all the front side of a police box door

>>79671594
>>79671585
NuWho really needs a new line. I know they can sell shirts with "Bigger on the inside" on it, but fuck me it gets repetitive fast.

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>>79671702
I'm guessing you're probably going to post this, because you posted the same link I did replying to you right after I did, but in case you don't have it…

>>79671756
>How did the old tardis have giant zigzaggy door hinges on one side while the outside door was a small wooden police box door? You can even see the back side of the giant interior doors and it's super thick and not at all the front side of a police box door
The inside dimensions aren't connected to the outside dimensions, so there's no reason the door has to look at all similar from both sides.

RTD just decided it would look cool if they did, so they tried it and it did look cool, and I guess that's why all the designers since then have followed it even though nobody's instructing them to do so anymore?

>>79671859
>The inside dimensions aren't connected to the outside dimensions, so there's no reason the door has to look at all similar from both sides.
Probably a good thing when it comes to Compassion and Marie…

>>79671859
iirc there was a little dimensional gap or something between the wooden doors and the big white slabs, too - could swear there's a book where someone (Nyssa?) talks about a weird feeling as you step across.

>>79671859
>there's no reason the same side of the door has to look the same on both sides, and pivot from the same hinge

???

The interior doors are thick as fuck and the hinge is only on the inner side. What happens if you put something on the ground in-between the wall that the hinges are on and the hinge-facing side of the door while it's partially open? What does it look like to the outside world? That gap doesn't exist in the police box's door

>>79671783
>I'm guessing you're probably going to post this,
Never seen it actually. But appropriate that the guys who did a DWM gag column named "Doctor Who?" wrote a gag book named "Bigger on the Inside".

And sorry for reposting the same video link.

>>79671702
Of course I know the redecorating thing is a meme line from the classic series. I wasn't complaining about anything.

>>79671594
Thanks for posting this. I suppose it's not that different from the classic series reactions, except there used to be more variety. Now they all literally just say "bigger on the inside".

>>79671756
I always wondered this. I could never tell if those doors were supposed to lead directly outside or if there was some little antechamber.

>>79671976
>What does it look like to the outside world?
As far as I know, we've never actually seen, but most likely from the outside it looks like the police box door is open and there's something between the door and the frame or just inside the doorway. I'm not sure how that's a problem.

A bigger problem might be if you took something too big to fit through the police box door, opened the inner doors, and plopped it down between them. Then what happens? Does it look smaller? Or does it look like it's behind the doorway instead of inside it? Or is your brain forced to make sense of something that doesn't work in 3D (like when people enter Compassion, since someone brought her up)? Or does it just look fucked up and impossible? It seems like something that would have come up in the NAs, but I don't think it ever did.

>>79671965
>iirc there was a little dimensional gap or something between the wooden doors and the big white slabs, too - could swear there's a book where someone (Nyssa?) talks about a weird feeling as you step across.
Yeah, that sounds familiar, but I don't remember any details.

>>79671304
Nyarlathotep

>>79672209
>A bigger problem might be if you took something too big to fit through the police box door, opened the inner doors, and plopped it down between them.
that was my question in the first place

>>79672077
I like how they used it to show some conflict between Rory and the Doctor. "Bigger on the inside" really got grating in this video though haha

>>79672260
That's disappointing. I thought they were all supposed to be incarnations of the Doctor.

>>79672077
>Now they all literally just say "bigger on the inside".
When Martha says that, the Doctor mouths along with it, since the joke is that everyone literally says that, but half of them say something completely different, because that's what the joke actually is. For example:
>Wilf: (speechless, until the Doctor says "Yes, it's bigger on the inside", then): I thought it would be cleaner.
>Rory: It's another dimension… I've been reading up on scientific theories.
>Clara: It's smaller on the outside.

And even the ones who do the usual thing usually say it in a different way, just like in the classic series:
>Rose: The inside's… bigger than the outside?
>Donna: It's… It's… (speechless, waves hands to indicate bigger)
>Clara. Bigger. On the inside, actually bigger.

Is that really less variety than when Leela said "larger" instead of "bigger" or when Nyssa turned it into a longer sentence?

I think Canton did say it straight, but I can't think of anyone else.

>>79672513
;)

>>79672513
>I thought they were all supposed to be incarnations of the Doctor.
If the Great Old Ones are really the Time Lords from the previous universe, Nyarlathotep is the Other/Doctor figure among them.

I don't think that was any part of the Cartmel Masterplan; it's just something Hinton made out of stuff that Andy Lane and Gary Russell had piled on top of it in their NAs. But then the Morbius Doctors aren't part of the Plan either, so I guess that's OK?

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>>79672513
Oh, they are. The EU got weeeiiird.

>The sense of something other and alien was always there, amongst other things -indeed, she thought, the Doctor’s myriad aspects and attributes seemed almost infinitely malleable, some receding into the background while others came to the fore to deal with whatever circumstance required them. The man who sat now, regarding the world in general with good-humoured interest, seemed, as it were, to be a kind of personality default-setting - but just how much of this was artifice? To what extent did he actively control the perceptions of those around him? What crawling and gut-wrenching horrors would you actually see if you stripped away the levels of deception and misdirection and looked at him with a…?

>(And just what had exactly had she been thinking about now? Oh well. Probably nothing important.)

>>79672299
>that was my question in the first place
You were asking about the small gap between the door and the wall it's attached to. Since that gap is much smaller than the actual doorway, presumably the easiest thing would be for it to just look like it's in the doorway instead, as I said.

Something too big to fit even in the doorway is more of a problem, but still less of a problem than Compassion, which isn't a problem. Obviously, to quote her.

How soon after Matt's departure was announced did they reveal Capaldi?

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>>79672745
4-5 months?
He announced he was leaving around my birthday, and Capaldi was definitely in summer.

>>79671755

>>79672679
>it's just something Hinton made out of stuff that Andy Lane and Gary Russell had piled on top of it in their NAs
Actually, I'm pretty sure the Russell and Hinton bits were in an MA and a PDA, not NAs. You just get so used to "NAs=weird stories full of deep lore, MAs=meaningless trad adventures" that you assume anything weird or lorish you remember is from an NA. Or maybe you don't, but I certainly do…

>>79672793
That's too long. Make it shorter.

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>>79672805
Hinton transcends ranges

Do those weird cruises still happen?

>>79672745
Don't expect history to repeat itself here. Chinballs hasn't even begun the casting process yet

>>79672679
>If the Great Old Ones are really the Time Lords from the previous universe, Nyarlathotep is the Other/Doctor figure among them.
The internet "Dr. Nyarlathotep" followers added a bit on to that.

Marc Platt dropped lots of hints that the Other may not have been a Gallifreyan contemporary of Rassilon and Omega. What he wanted to do was turn all of Gallifreyan history into a predestination paradox by having the Other be the Doctor from the future, but he basically chickened out and had the Other just be Leela's baby named after the Doctor, and babies don't know enough to cause any interesting paradoxes.

So, screw Lungbarrow, if the Other really is as mysterious as Platt wanted him to be, what else could he be? One of those Great Old Ones who were the Time Lords from a previous universe, of course. Nyarlathotep isn't just the Other-equivalent from the previous universe, he's also the Other in this universe. And presumably will be in the next, after the Doctor survives the end of this one.

Unless you take fan fiction written by the Dr. Nyarlathotep fans as canon, it's basically just made up. But it's still fun, and doesn't really contradict anything.

>>79672821
I'll see what I can do.

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>>79673012
Oh god
I almost forgot about those
http://www.scificruise.com/

>>79673121
>the wiki still doesn't have an article about these
quite disappointed tbqh

>>79673047
Broadchurch comes back in a week though. Or did his "I'm focusing on Broadchurch" thing extend to until the series is totally over?

>>79672909
>Hinton transcends ranges
Well, from a proper 9+2-dimensional point of view, they're all the same books, it's just that when seen inverted an odd number of times through the 6D Calabi-Yau manifold they appear to be PDAs, while an even number of times they appear to be EDAs.

>>79672561
The Asian chick from Waters of Mars says "It's.. bigger.. I mean, it's bigger on the inside." So she says the actual line.

>>79673173
So you're saying if you take any Doctor Who book and project it into a lower space so the settings are 2-dimensional and the characters are 1-dimensional, it becomes a Gary Russell book?

I dont know if anyone cares but I will drop a scan of the last DWM eventually. I keep getting busier and I struggle to make time for /who/ or Doctor Who these days

>>79672821
It was only about two months actually. I really don't think they'll announce the new Doctor until after series 10 though - Capaldi was announced 4 months before he started at Christmas, so I'm guessing it'll be an August announcement again.

>>79673818
I wouldn't be too surprised at a pretty early reveal, announced to head off a leak. Chibnall doesn't seem nearly as obsessed with secrecy as RTD or Moffat—which I think is probably good in general, but could easily mean he can't keep his next Doctor under wraps once he picks him.

>>79673808
Cheers m8. Appreciate everything you do.

>>79674028
Moffat didn't seem obsessed with spoilers security on any of his earlier shows either, so that may not mean anything.

>>79673047
That's a good point. We should be comparing the gap between Tennant's announcement and Matt's reveal.

>>79673092
Thanks

>>79673121
This is so bizarre. But would probably be a really fun time

>>79674806
The gap was 2 months for Tennant as well though

Why the fuck was Reece Shearsmith chosen to play Patrick Troughton in an adventure in space and time?

>>79675404
Because he's one of Mark Gatiss' best friends, and a decent impressionist, and it wasn't a big enough part to do the same kind of search as they did for Hartnell, Lambert, Hussein, etc.?

Why is Capaldi's acting so bad in the last scene of The Magician's Apprentice? I've heard people talk about how unconvincing it is before, but watching it again just now it's even worse than I remembered.

>>79676260
he overacted the lines for some reason
desu though that's the only scene I can think of where capaldis acting is bad

[image of the 13th Doctor]

Look what just leaked

>>79676953
You did not attach an image behind the message.

>>79677018
Image posting is broken.

>>79677018
Do you know what Cloister is?

>>79677048
:(

>>79677073
A misogynist.

>>79677191
you can't redefine that word just to use it as an insult to throw around whenever you want

What does /who/ think about Doctor Who tattoos?

>>79677325
you don't need to redefine the word at all to label cloister it

>>79677961
objectively no valid reason to ever do this

>>79677961
It's always some cringe bullshit.

>>79677191
Love this emme.

>>79662077
>>79662163
>>79662205
>>79662291

spoiler alert: nobody cares if youve found her facebook

>>79675404
The same reason Gatiss keeps taking up a slot every series with his shit episodes

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Images are back.

Please tell me:

Is Doctor Who *supposed* to be schlocky?

Or is it *supposed* to be serious and emotional?

Because I've only seen the 9th season (or the reboot one or whatever) and I got mixed signals. It was fun, but I'm not sure about going forward.

>>79679589
It's *supposed* to be cancelled.

>>79679513
not for me

>>79667172
Wow, Miles is actually pretty based.

>>79679870
Honestly, being erased from Doctor Who would be awful.

>>79679870
Has gareth seen this ?

Someone photoshop Beerus erasing Zamasu with Moffat and Gareth instead.

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>>79679955
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>>79679589
It's show about an alien who looks like a human and travels in a blue police box through time and space to Britain / British contryside posing as a distant planet / a BBC studio posing as a distant planet.
It's supposed to be whatever fits, so it depends on who wrote the episode.
But if you're asking whether it's supposed to look cheap - yes it is.

>>79667315
no one remembers