Star Trek

THE FLIGHT PLAN I FILED WITH THE FEDERATION LISTS ME, MY MEN, DR. BASHIR HERE, BUT ONLY ONE OF YOU
FIRST ONE TO TALK GETS TO STAY ON MY RUNABOUT

>ywn live on deep space nine

Why live?

TELL ME ABOUT BREEN. WHY DO THEY WEAR THE MASK?

>posting entry level "trek"
it was plagued with war to attract pleb actionbabbies and had little to do with exploring humanities potential for progress.

>>79593122

4 posts in and tngbabbies showed up

and this is why every Trek thread becomes an ENT thread.

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Call me a romantic, but I couldn't wait for this to happen.

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>when T'pol has an illogical body
Fascinating

>>79593431

>a thread full of shitposting has begun, tribal trek thread it is

>>79593153
>implying every Trekthread shouldn't become an ENT thread

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In the new Star Trek movies, how was Nero a bad guy? He was great, and Eric Bana was amazing in the role.

I watched the movie just for Bana and was not disappointed.

>>79592883
You're a big guy sometimes

>>79593464
>enterprise etc. etc. homosexual propaganda etc. etc.

>>79593122
In case you're actually this pleb there's a great exchange between Sisko and Bashir in "Past Tense" that I interpret as pretty much the mission statement of the series, talking about how well and righteous the perfection of the Federation and Starfleet could hold up when their core values are challenged and threatened.

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>>79593531

>>79593550
That's why TNGbabbies hate DS9, because it paints their perfect autistic utopia as not being as perfect as they'd like to think.
And I love TNG.

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>>79593584

>>79593431
Damn, T'Pol looks like THAT!?

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Marina Sirtis offered the following regarding Roddenberry’s opposition to the concept for Star Trek: Deep Space Nine: “The truth is that if Gene had been alive, DS9 would have never been made, because he absolutely said “no” to it when it was presented to him. He said ‘Star Trek is about exploring space, it’s not about a hotel in space.’ So, it would never have happened.”

Majel Barrett criticized the Dominion War in a letter published in Star Trek Communicator, claiming that Gene Roddenberry would have never approved of a continuing war in a Star Trek series. Rick Berman has espoused similar sentiments, noting that his opposition "was all based purely on the fact that Gene had been very specific to me about not wanting Star Trek to be a show about intergalactic wars, interspecies wars. He didn't want it to be about humans fighting wars against other species." Responding to the former, Ronald Moore admitted, "She's probably right. It would've been very hard to argue Gene into going this way and maybe he'd have never gone for it."

>TAKEI: The people that really understand and love STAR TREK are no longer there. When Gene Roddenbery passed, that really was the end of STAR TREK, as we knew it. The series that came on immediately after was DEEP SPACE NINE, which was the polar opposite of Gene’s philosophy and vision of the future, so STAR TREK lost it’s way then and now the people at Paramount are all new people. Herb Solow who was the executive in charge of Desilu Studios is now a professor in Wales. We became very good friends and we had dinner with him and his wife before they left, and when I was in London last year I saw an article about a Professor Herb Solow! [Laughs] But, basically the people now at the studio have absolutely no connection with STAR TREK as we knew it, sadly.

How come even in the future, normies hate autists? They're always talking shit about Barclay behind his back and even to his face.

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>>79593628

>>79593662
Geordi talked the most shit about Barclay. Autists are like women

>>79593628
but the dominion war was won in a very star trek way (cooperation and trust)

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>tfw like 5 TOS episodes left then i have seen everything
every single episode of every show

>>79593628
Oh boo hoo, doesn't change the fact that it's objectively the best in the franchise. Besides, even though Gene got sperged out about his perfect vision at first I think he could've grown to appreciate DS9 for what it is. He needed to step away for the franchise to reach it's full potential.

>>79593710
>he hasn't seen Turnabout Intruder yet
You are in for a glorious treat

>>79593710

even the cartoon?

Why is everything one big TOS jerkfest now?
Even the new show is set in the TOS era.
It's as if CBS wants people to forget that the spinoffs ever existed (which they already have).

>>79593802
irl tech has outpaced TOS and is developing too rapidly to predict to make a satisfying trek-style show

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>>79593754
i didnt know that existed, guess i have 27 episodes let

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>>79593109

>>79593802
Because it is objectively the best era.

>>79593261
me on the left

>>79592883
Sexual organs?

>>79593841

If you were ever into mst3k, watch the rifftrax version of all the star trek movies. It's funny as shit and they shit on it but in a good way. You could get it on the piratebay.

>>79593710
>watching TOS last

why?

>>79593710
>tfw watching TOS now
>need to still watch voyager and DS9
>really not looking forward to the shittiest trek and the one I like the least

how come the DS9 waifus have aged better than any of the other shows

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>>79593621

Imagine being Tucker in that decon room and having to be all like "damn, T'pol, you fuckin' fine, all sexy with your tight body and horrific androgynous monster face. I would totally have sex with you, both as a civilian and as an officer." when all he really wants to do is fuck another 16 year old alien qt in some ship. Like seriously imagine having to be Tucker and not only sit in that chair while T'pol flaunts her disgusting body in front of you, the favorable lighting barely concealing her vascular stomach and just sit there, mission after mission, hour after hour, touching her disgusting skin. Not only having to tolerate her monstrous fucking visage but her haughty attitude as everyone on Enterprise tells her she's STILL GOT IT and DAMN, T'POL LOOKS LIKE *THAT*?? because they're not the ones who have to sit there and touch her mannish fucking gremlin face, with that gay fucking look where she's supposed to be unemotional, but just looks like a fucking bitch day in and day out. You've been fucking nothing but a healthy diet of alien princesses and xenosupermodels for your ENTIRE CAREER AS A STARFLEET OFFICER coming straight out of the boonies in Florida. You've never even seen anything this fucking disgusting before, and now you swear you can taste the sweat that's breaking out on her dimpled stomach as she sucks it in to writhe it suggestively at you, smugly assured that you are enjoying the opportunity to get paid to sit there and touch her "statuesque (for that is what she calls herself)" beauty, the beauty she worked so hard for with Vulcan officers in some god-forsakes Vulcan academy . And then the captain calls for another mission, and you know you could kill every single person in the bridge before the security could put you down, but you sit there and endure, because you're fucking Tucker. You're not going to lose your future fleet career over this. Just bear it. Hide your face and bear it.

>>79593802
Marketing executives know it's the most famous because every sketch show since the 60s has parodied it at some point so they figure it will attract normies as well as Trekkies.

>>79594005
It's frustrating being a fan born in the 90's where there were 5 iterations of Trek. It's like we've been left behind as they pander to normies who only know Kork 'n' Spork and KHAAAAN from all the epic maymays.
Merchandising too; except for the Starships Collection which makes ships from every series, the action figures, novels, Hallmark ornaments, and plush toys are extremely limited to TOS.

>>79594166
Post pics of your collection

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>>79592883
what the fuck did they do to klingons? and why did they do it?

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>>79594199
I have before but ok
This is just ships, I have a bunch of other plastic shit too

>>79594262
oh shit doctor who is bringing back draconians?

>>79594268
Nice, dude. That carpet is really quite clean.

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>>79594262
WHAT THE FUCK

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>>79593531

>>79593985
Was tucker the only southern/non middle america starfleet officer?

>Picard
France
>Kirk
Iowa
>Riker
Alaska
>Geordi
Colonies?
>Bones
???
>Spock
Vulcan
>Scotty
Scotland
>Sulu
???
>Chekov
Russia probably
>Barclay
Finland probably

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>>79594471
Sisko was from Louisiana

>>79594262
that looks like shit
aren't klingongs supposed to be ridge-less in this period because of some dumb disease or something

>>79594579
Pretty sure this is the case.

>>79594471
How is Alaska middle America? Please explain yourself

>>79594471
McCoy was born in Georgia

>>79594556
Weren't they from New Zealand?

>>79594602
It's not. I forgot to delete that off the first statement desu

>>79594718
Where the hell did you get that?

>>79594950
Ha ha, I won an internet exchange

>>79593985

Tucker is best boy

>>79594998
I've met Connor Trinneer in person.
He's still just as handsome IRL as he was on the show.
I'm a guy btw

>>79595057
How did you meet Connor in person? Did you pay for a photograph or win an auction for dinner or was it a natural encounter? Please explain yourself.

>>79595127
at a convention

>>79595162
That's a really disappointing answer. Please don't proclaim that you've "met" Connor in the future when you've only just paid to attend a convention that Connor was present at.

Wow, just wow.

>>79594262
Why is Sarris from Galaxy quest dressed like a Necromonger from Chronicles of Riddick?

>>79595347
>Don't ever respond to me ever again
Talking to him is the same as meeting him, are you wishing I met him at the bath house with his dick in my mouth? because i wish

>>79595451

you crazy kids.


I wish the scifi genre didn't have such a stigma to it, I wanted more for his career but between trek and stargate he really got landlocked after he was already an older actor.

>>79593685
Geordi was arguably worse with his holodeck behavior too. I mean he straight fell in love with a hologram and Barclay was just blowing off steam.

>>79595550
>when barclay made riker a manlet
that was the fucking best

why are ds9 fans so arrogant and full of themselves?

they always bash and insult other series and fans as if they have to prove something

>>79594579
>>79594598
that was the queerest retcon of all time where they said all the TOS klingon's were some genetic mutation and that TNG klingons are what normal klingons look like.

>>79595347
You're a really disappointing person

Wow, just wow.

>>79595678
see
>>79593122

>>79594579
>>79594598
>>79595684
They lost their ridges because they tried to create a super race of Klingons based on genetic technology they got from Khan's faction

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>Computer, Spawn Adolf Hitler and a Regiment of SS officers
>Computer, Spawn a group of Clansmen from the KKK
>Computer, give the aforementioned groups of people a dossier on Lieutenant Commander Geordi La Forge, and tracers that can locate Lieutenant Commander Geordi La Forge's Starfleet Insignia
>Computer disable security protocols.

that was a weird episode

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>>79593736
>Oh boo hoo, doesn't change the fact that it's objectively the best in the franchise.
>objectively the best

>>79595684
>TNG klingons

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Friendly reminder that Dukat did nothing wrong.

>>79593628
I find it amusing that the worst part of every ST series had something negative to say about DS9.

>>79594268
Fuck yeah I had some of these. The little ones only we were poor.

That big Ent D is fucking tight. I begged for this shit big time around holidays and Hallmark.

I do have a toy TNG phaser and Tricorder around here that still work I think.

>>79594636
Didnt he go to school in Arkansas or am I misremembering.

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>>79598365
I enjoyed the magical side of DS9, personally.
Alotta people hate it for it's use of religion and ties to modern geopolitical issues but I say to hell with that, gimme some action!

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>>79594262
>No facial hair
>No mane
>Girly ridges
>having ridges despite being set in the TOS era
>fish armor

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>>79594262
>>79594317
>>79594353
>>79594579
>>79595423
>>79598788
I'm 90% sure those aren't Klingons, my friends.

>>79598788
but they had ridges in the TOS era

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>>79598536

Everywhere other than Texas and Oklahoma that's lower than the Mason-Dixon Line and east of the Mississippi is the south.

>>79599009
fuck, forgot Louisiana (and Arkansas) and maybe Missouri

>>79593531
>captain pips

Why do DS9 fags always conveniently forget their precious cupcake show ripped off the superior Babylon 5?

>>79599290
>Babylon 5
literally who?

>>79593761
Execute attack formation Clusterfuck 1

>>79599290
And Star Trek is a ripoff of Forbidden Planet. I guess we all have to stop watching Star Trek now.

>>79599290
>>79599547

This is incorrect and it can be proven to be incorrect.

>>79599547
No need for that, just stop acting like they invented the wheel with that space shopping mall.

>>79599290
Because this refurbished Babylon 5 script is how Star Trek was always meant to be

>>79599290
We don't care, they even homage it. DS9 is god like in it's right.
This is coming from someone who prefers B5.

>>79599251
>Not having watched DS9 or even looked up the show enough to know he gets promoted to Captain

>>79592883
>Dr Bashir, I'm everything

is that eric trump

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I loved how the focused on Ferengi culture in DS9. They are by far the most interesting race in the whole of star trek.

>>79598661
>religion
Daily Reminder that The Prophets were not Gods and didn't give a single shit about Bajorans:

They used the phrase "We are of Bajor" but never explained this, given the context it was probably the name for where they existed and the stupid ridge heads got the name from a hallucination caused by their time-tech probes they were using to find other 4D lifeforms and were misinterpreted as religious relics.

The only thing they ever cared about was winning their Civil War against a faction of Prophets known as Pah Wraiths. Every action they took to intentionally interfere with mortals was to either win the civil war directly, as in your picture, or to keep their super-weapon in the fight alive (The Sisko).

>>79595866
>not also giving them recordings of La Forge trying to court a white woman
Really dropped the ball there Broccoli.

>>79594268
Post snek

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>Ah, but there's the key, some will never understand while others will consider it mere child's play

>>79600161
This so much, Ferengi episodes are the most comfy

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>Annoying Sisko.
>Dire Avery Brooks acting that makes Shatner seem subtle and nuanced.
>Standing around talking on the promenade for 45 minutes.
>Politics.
>Religious shit.
>Muh Bajoran oppression.
>Annoying fucking Ferengi.
>Even more annoying ferengi kid.
>No Trekking or exploration. ("b-but muh defiant!").
>More standing around talking
>A shape shifter who never shape shifts and can't even morph into something vaguely normal looking.
>"Let's take Keiko from TNG, she was cool, oh but we should make her into a total bitch for some reason".
>"In fact our characters are so weak we should probably take Worf too since our ratings are bombing".
>Sisko's annoying son.
>Lots more standing around talking.
>"Okay yeah the first season is kinda shitty".
>"Yeah so the 2nd season is kinda shitty too".
>"The 3rd season has some filler too I guess but you can't skip it cos muh character development".
>"Okay it starts off bad, but man just netflix 1 episode a night and it really starts to get good around the 2 month mark, just trust me it's worth it :)".
>"B-But TNG took a couple of seasons to feel polished while still producing enjoyable self-contained stories, so that's totally the same as several seasons of boring filler".
>Alamarain, count to four, Alamarain, then three more

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>>79600912
Iggy Pop Vorta is GOAT

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Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra.

>>79601342
>Darmok? I'm Tanagra.

Did the Bajorans impose a sales tax on the station?

>>79601342
Pavel, his eyes wide!

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"Commander, tell me about your sexual organs."

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>>79601480
First you need to tell me about your lack of webm's.

>>79601342
i just noticed his thumbs look like foreskins

Got round to s4 of TNG and it definitely seems to have got better. Mid Season 3 seems to be where the quality went from hit or miss to kino.

Not saying pre s3 was bad, its just there was quite alot of poor episodes imo

When do I watch the TNG movies?

>>79601547
Dathon, his thumbs uncut

>>79601558
You can watch the movies after finishing the series. All the movies are pretty weak, but they can be enjoyable as dumb action movies with trek flavoring.

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>>79601526
That's some nice font rendering, was it just a fonts.conf for ffmpeg?

>>79601342
>Bane, when the plane fell

>>79601558
I agree. S3 is where we start seeing some of the truly great episodes (Ensigns of Command, Who Watches the Watchers, The Defector, etc.)

>>79601558
You should watch DS9 then the movies, they all take place after the end of TNG and a few seasons into DS9, and there are some spoilers.

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>>79601625
I didn't create it, just saved it from a previous thread. Sorry bro.

>>79601526
They're posting from iOS. Aren't webms still forbidden on iOS?

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stinky space hag
DS9 truly sucked

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>>79601757
That's a shame, we need more webm makers in /trek/

>We take The Captain's Yacht, we rendezvous with The Enterprise, we go in, take care of O'Brien - "Hand over the Azn, Potatoboy" - then we grab Keiko, we go over to Ten Forward, hole up, have a cup of synthale and wait for this whole thing to blow over.

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>>79601757
>eating a twinkie with chopsticks

>>79593431

s-shes ok right?

>>79593802
Same reason Pokemon is always an original 151 circlejerk.

>>79593761
now this is what Star Trek is all about

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>>79592883
Do you think Odo fuck Nerys for 18 hours straight until he has to regenerate with a ribbed penis that fits every counter of her vagina?

>>79602123
I seriously hope that wasn't meant to be honest

>>79602177
It's the same poster who's been complaining about DS9 all thread.

>>79602153
Damn. How can non changelings even compete......

>>79602153
>Grows two more penises
>Fucks her in every orifice

>>79600920
Agreed, except the first 4 season are shit. DS9 somehow managed to have worse episodes through its run than any other Trek show.

DS9 is worst Trek. Its mostly awful. Horrible actors. Very little, to no development for half the cast.

The only saving grace are all the heavy makeup actors are actually great, love them all.

>>79602432
>Very little, to no development for half the cast.
As opposed to...?

>>79601558
>When do I watch the TNG movies?

Never.

They never happened. Got it?

Ok fine, you can watch them after the series is over. But take a break and consider them a bonus. If you watch them right after TNG you'll be disappointed. Wait until you're half way through Voyager and want to kill yourself, then they'll seem a breath of fresh air by comparison.

>>79602432
Saving grace was the dominion.everything about it was interesting. Even all the actors were great.

Did they plan the dominion from the beginning? Why all the boring and overall sub par shit before?

>>79602504
as opposed to characters not being used as punching bags in season 7 just like how they were in season 1.

>>79602513
I'd consider the movies fan fiction. It only resembles the series by name and it's like they changed all the characters with aliens.

>>79602560
I'm curious which Star Trek(s) you would describe as containing serious development for most of the cast?

>>79602504

TNG had a surprising amount of character development despite being an episodic show.

TOS characters morphed because they were literally inventing the lore as they want.

>>79602641
I agree, but I would argue that they had less than DS9.

I'm on season 4 of DS9. What's with all the shifty klingon episodes? Why is Worf such a baby defying Odo every chance he gets as if he's a capable chief of security? The Enterprise got invaded almost every episode

>>79602641
>TNG had a surprising amount of character development

No it didn't. It was trash and boring as fucking shit. Thank God rottenberry died and the episodic moral posturing humans are perfect in everyday vision died with him.

>>79602771
Yes, it had. Picard, Data, Beverly, Wesley, Barclay and Troi all changed during the series.

>>79602755
>What's with all the shifty klingon episodes?
The writers wanted to go with more Dominion stories, but the studio ordered them to pause the Dominion stuff and focus on Klingons for a bit.

>Why is Worf such a baby defying Odo every chance he gets as if he's a capable chief of security? The Enterprise got invaded almost every episode
When you reach the episode "Bar Association", Odo will call out Worf on being a bratty little baby in charge of the shitty security on the Enterprise.

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Is Pulaski hated here or is that a reddit meme?

Reddit hates her because "she was mean to Data once :("

>>79602822
How was Beverly any different from the start?

>>79602847
I liked her much more than dr crusher. And her relationship with Data changed and was very positive by Peak Performance. She challenged him. Only plebs dislike her

>>79602614
TNG.

Worf changed ranks, strong Klingon development
Riker's character changed completely around season 2.5
That's her name died
Data branched out to a lot of different aspects, but usually reverted back
Wesley literally grew up on the show
Geordie turned into a beta
Barcley introduced, and stuck around in Voyager
Troy was always the same useless cunt, but at least she had different outfits
Picard, cant say much, but he had the most interesting character, and best acting.


DNG...
Sisko does not change, just accepts becoming Emissary.
Jake is annoying cunt who becomes a shitty writer
o'Briend is a punching bag the entire time
Bashire only becomes less annoying
That's it.

Only exception are heavy makeup characters with not enough screen time.

>>79602771
>Thank God rottenberry died and the episodic moral posturing humans are perfect in everyday vision died with him.

You do realise Roddenberry had no influence over TNG right?

He was shut out totally after a couple of seasons, which is why the first 2 seasons are childish sex-obsessed camp trash in comparison to the mature sci-fi that followed season 3 and on.

TNG succeeded despite Roddenberry, the first season was just old TOS scripts he had banging around.

>>79602938
>Worf changed ranks, strong Klingon development
A promotion is character development?

>Sisko does not change, just accepts becoming Emissary.
A promotion isn't character development?

You are contradicting yourself due to your biases.

>>79600912
Consider that old George wanted the Ferengi to be a race of space pervs with massive dongs.

>>79593628
wasn't Roddenberry's "perfect vision" of Troi supposed to be a quad-breasted buxom hermaphrodite? i mean, TNG was great and all but DS9 started to push the envelope on what the "good guys" should do and how to respond to an overwhelming threat

>>79602822
The crushers didn't change too much. I think worf had the most development. Probably the only one with a real arc.

>>79602938
Data changed a lot, specially regarding command. He gained confidence and became truly based when put in the position of acting captain. If you want I can name other changes.

>>79603018
>strong Klingon development
>just accepts becoming Emissary.

can you read?

>>79602970
>He was shut out totally after a couple of seasons,
He wasn't. There are still stories of him interfering with the writing of later seasons.

For example, mandating no mourning in The Bonding, and upping the sex while vetoing any character development in Captain's Holiday.

>>79603119
>If you want I can name other changes.
please entertain me with your trek autism

>>79602938
Seriously? Kara's vision of the cardassians? All of odo's personal development? Come on

>>79603125
Can you read?

>Worf changed ranks
A promotion is character development?

>Sisko does not change
A promotion isn't character development?

You are contradicting yourself due to your biases.

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>>79600920

>>79600920
>showing another side of the federation is bad
>actually developing and taking a closer look to other species is bad
>breaking the formula is bad
>I already have a bias against this show, b-but it has nothing to do with how I feel about the characters

You can describe any crew of any of the trek shows that way.

>>79603182
I dont know about her visions, and Odos development came way too late in the series.

>>79602938
>getting promotions counts as character development (but only for TNG)
>dying counts as character development (but only for TNG)
>aging counts as character development (but only for TNG)
>changing clothes counts as character development (but only for TNG)
Walk with the Prophets, my child. I know I will.

>>79603375
DS9 fanboys are out in groups tonight.

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why did he have to suffer so much?

>>79602847

Pulaski is only hated by plebs, she never did anything decidely stupid, unlike Crusher, and was fair instead annoying, unlike Crusher, and got her job out of merit and not because of Picard feeling guilty for having her husband killed, unlike Crusher.

>>79600161
They had to create entire episodes of DS9 to repair the damage TNG did to the Ferengi's rep which made them a giant joke instead of the huge threat they were supposed to be.

>>79603394
I prefer TNG because of the characters, but what people are saying here about DS9 is pretty stupid

>>79602938
>Sisko does not change, just accepts becoming Emissary.

Wrong. He never really accepted his position as Emissary until the events of Accession in season 4.

The other stuff about DS9 you're not wrong about, but you are ignoring all the good stuff, like Quark and Odo's relationship. The Ascent was certainly a turning point.

>>79600161
I thought DS9 was going to be very annoying because they had a ferengi. I was completely wrong. Ferengi are awesome

>>79603394
>tonight
Is this your first night here? /trek/ loves DS9.

>>79603416
>she never did anything decidely stupid
She shatted on Data on her first day. I think that upset a lot of people.

>>79602847
Only retards, /pol/ and reddit hate her. She helped jump start character development for both Worf and Data who before her, were just used a token minority charters.

She's also the only doctor who tries to do her job in trying to save extras when. Like the time they ran into that alien who didn't know what the concept of death was so he decided to kill the black helmsmen by having the replicators no longer being able to produce fired chicken. Pulaski is right there and what does she do? Does just do a quick scan, put her finger on his neck and declare he's dead? Fuck no, she does a scan, and immediately uses her hypospray. When that doesn't have an affect, she then uses another substance, then a third one before finally declaring he's dead.

That's 3 times more attempts than those incompetent fucks like Crusher or the Doctor ever did. Bashir tried a few times, but that's it.

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>>79603657

>>79603562
Gene wanted to revive the Spock/McCoy feuding. So they had Pulaski have utter contempt for Data's existence and trying to do anything to get a reaction out of him. Which made that fact that they developed an actual relationship where Data became a confidant for Pulaski all the better.

Also this scene
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aifk6E1bawk

It was so sitcom-y, yet satisfying.

>>79603562
Sure. If you completely ignore everything that happened afterwards and all other aspects to her character. She was a much better than Beverly. Too bad retards couldn't appreciate

>>79593261
Same. Genuinely a cute couple.

TNG couldn't make a couple work together for shit.

>>79604402
They didn't try to develop any relationships. Romance was shit on TNG. It was so boring seeing romance of the week for everyone, specially Doctor Crusher.

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>>79592883
>Yfw this guy knows what Dukat did wrong.

>>79593580
Why are they in space? Wouldn't they die?

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>>79603635
Stop talking shit about my waifu

>>79604908
Transparent aloomynum :o

>>79600353
It's a shame Sisko caved and started thinking and referring to them as prophets rather than just as unknown non corpereal non linear beings.

Maybe it was just too much of a mouthful?

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>>79600877

POWER RANKING

Chula Master Fallow > Q > Douwd > Species 8472 > Borg > Changelings > > > > Voth > Starfleet > Everyone Else

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>>79592883

DR. BASHEER.

I'M UNITED FEDERATION OF PLANETS

>>79604940
Quiet Klingon buggy eyes. Shouldn't you have redundant thyroid glands?

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RED ALERT

>>79593072
Perhaps he's wondering why someone would shoot a man before teleporting him into space.

>>79593628
Let's not pretend that Roddenberry's word was gospel and that every idea he had was brilliant.

TNG suffered in it's first two seasons when by mandate they couldn't write personal conflict between the characters and the movies got better when they started ignoring his ideas and began to use more naval style battles.

Action and conflict are necessary in drama and I don't think anyone would argue that TNG or the films sullied the series humanist message.

As for Deep Space Nine, would people have tuned in for another show about space exploration at the same time as Next Generation? I seriously doubt it. Did we want another series where the Federations morals were never wrong and always succeeded?

War has been a part of the Star Trek universe since it's inception. They mention war with the Klingons and the Romulans in the past tense in TOS and they speak of the Cardassian war in the same way in TNG. Why not have a series set in one of these wars?

It makes it more fascinating to see the Federations ideals challenged in a more consequential way rather than just resolving every problem in an hour. Humans have achieved peace and tolrance on their world but that doesn't mean every race will be so enlightened.

And it's not like Voyager didn't have more than it's fair share of moral grey areas.

The Neutral Zone, The Schizoid Man, and The Measure of a Man are my top 3 favorite Startrek episodes. Why does everyone say the first seasons are bad?

>>79605663

don't forget how Roddenberry bungled TMP soo badly trying to make his own 2001, that for wrath of khan paramount totally took him out of the loop and it saved the franchise...

>>79594471
>Finland probably
Kek

>>79594718
>>79594963
They mention jake going to the writing school in New Zealand and Bashirs father goes to a NZ penal colony.

Good to know what I can expect in 100 years time.

But the Siskos weren't Maori, they were born and bred in the bayou.

>>79599290
Wasn't it the other way around? After a cursory google search B5 came out a year after DS9.

And I thought I heard from somewhere that people who worked on DS9 created B5 so they could really take advantage of the concept without all the baggage and restrictions of the established Trek lore.

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>>79600001

>>79600161
DS9 saved the Ferengi and made them fan favourites.

They also expanded the Cardassians in really interesting ways. The episode where O'brien goes through a Cardassian trial is one of my favourites.

Not to mention they three great new races from the Gamma quadrant. Changelings, Vorta and Jem H'Dar. All interesting in their own right.

The bland crew and uninteresting alien species was why I've never finished Voyager.

>>79606058
There weren't any writers in common, the conspiracy theory B5 fans are pushing is that the script for B5 was submitted to Paramount who rejected it but then Paramount told Rick Berman and Michael Piller to write a new Star Trek show and gave them all the plot points of B5, then they wrote it, filmed it and broadcast it before B5 had a chance.

Everyone involved denies it, which proves it.

>>79606058

J. Michael Straczynski wrote B5 long before there was either show. In trying to get it made he pitched it to paramount, which turned him down.

Then magically 9001 similar plot points appear in their new startrek show.

>>79606216
It is a *fact* that Paramount was given the B5 bible, treatment, sample screenplay, and artwork. This is not open to dispute; we have the paperwork from the Paramount development execs.

It is a *fact* that Paramount and WB were both trying to launch networks at the same time, UPN and PTEN, and that there is a *fierce* competition between them that has been well and widely documented, enough so that Paramount would have a vested interest in attempting to co-opt anything that Warner Bros. was doing. One way to do this (enter supposition stage left) would be to put out their *own* space station series, under the ST banner, which would hopefully undercut the other show and drive it (and PTEN) out of the marketplace.

It is a *fact* that the development of ANY TV show for a studio is guided by that studio's development execs.

It is a *fact* that the two pilots for DS9 and B5 are extremely similar on major, non-generic points. It is also a fact that the two diverge quite a bit therafter, showing that the writers there were capable of doing their own stuff, putting us back again at the studio level.

From day one, Paramount has done everything conceivable to subvert, sabotage, and drive this show out of the market short of firing a LAWS rocket into the middle of stage A. They hate us over there, because they want to have the exclusive lock on space SF. So yeah, I'm quite willing to believe that they could've decided to co-opt our format...and it almost worked, too, when WB wondered if the market could sustain two space station series.

>>79605854
It helped that Nicloas Mahyers did all his homework on the series unlike that fuck who the last TNG movie.

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>>79603040
This race of profit-driven money-loving con-artists are going to be the next big threat to the moneyless post-scarcity federation.

Also they have massive dongs. Are you getting this?

>>79606358
>They hate us over there
>us
Go to bed J Mitchell Stratovarius

>>79602641
The only one I take issue with is the idea that TOS had good character development.

We got to know Spock, Kirk and Bones the best throughout the series but they didn't exactly grow. Such is the nature of episodic television.

Kirk had an arc throughout the movies and is the best character in TOS.

>Fears growing older
>Meets and loses his son
>Defies Starfleet to rescue Spock
>Comes back to face the consequences
>Overcomes his prejudice with Klingons

Most of the crew had zero development. To this day I couldn't tell you much at all about Uhura, Sulu, Scotty or Chekov. We just liked them because they were familiar and the actors were good.

>>79606745
The series certainly didn't but Kirk got a fair bit in the movies.

>>79602847
I liked that she challenged Data and could be kind of shitty to him sometimes. Everyone else babied him a little too much but I also get that it was too similar to the Bones/Spock dynamic.

Crusher is fine but pretty bland. She doesn't change or do much throughout the series. OK, Picards kind of in love with her. She's Wesleys mother. There are a couple good episodes with her, the one where she's trapped in a shrinking pocket universe comes to mind. But mostly she's just there to fill her role. They needed a doctor. Shrug.

>>79602938
Sisko changes a lot. Overcoming his wifes death, learning to enjoy his assignment, the challenges of fatherhood and intergalactic diplomacy, discovering how far he'll go to justify winning the war (I can live with it) and even accepting his role as the Emissary.

Ok maybe that last one was kind of dumb but consider this

>Odo learning to be less rigid and more outwardly caring. Not to mention being pulled between his people and his friends.
>O'brien going from hating Bashir to being best bros
>Rom going from being Quarks whipping boy to becoming his own man, rejecting his culture, training in a new field and starting a family

>>79603182
I forgot about Kira learning that by categorizing all Cardassians as evil, she was no better than them. In the final season she even helps them with their coup against the Dominion. Never forgetting but learning to overcome her prejudice against all Cardassians for the actions of the Cardassian regime.

>>79603367
Odo was learning and changing pretty early. I'm thinking of that episode with Lwaxana where he becomes comfortable losing form in front of someone. And wasn't it only season 2 or 3 that he met his people and realised they were the Dominion and began the arc of him rejecting his people?

>>79603944
I'm appreciating it more now, since Crusher had so few interesting relationships. She was just the ships Doctor.

She was also Picards unrequited love interest and Wesleys mother but... meh.

If Pulaski had actually had a contemptuous relationship with data like Bones did with Spock, that would have been horrible but I liked Data/Pulaski's interractions.

She didn't baby him and sometimes challenged his nature. Even insisting that he at times was feeling emotions whereas everyone else just assumed he wasn't because he was artificial.

She teased him but was never a bully. Could have been interesting.

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>>79605088
Q is such a garbage fucking character. I skip every single episode he's in.

>Hurhruhrurhur Picard humens are inferior and dumdum hihihihi what do you think?
>Fuck off retard
> BONAPARTE

>>79606385
The sad thing is how blatantly Nemesis was tryin to be Kahn.

>Picard is feeling old
>Shinzon has led a harsh life and blames Picard and wants revenge
>Data dies :,( but he might come back :0)[/spoiler}

>>79593605
That episode instantly turned Garak into my favorite character in all of Star Trek.

>>79601879
God, The Mind's Eye was Trek-kino.
I find myself rewatching that often.

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>>79593431
Looks like her major problem is ZERO body fat.

Somebody just needs to feed her some bacon or something.

Vegans are really unhealthy people.

The best series is TAll of them. They're all equally good.

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>>79607581
Sisko had the right idea.

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>>79593985
Uh... That isn't decon.
That happened in her quarters.
This is decon.

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>>79602847

I'm the lone one here but not because she hated Data but that their exchanges never gave us dialogue where the two were in a passive aggressive banter session because that's rarely in Data's character. So it turned her into an unprovoked cunt without real cause towards him.

She also seemed to have a sort of Crusher/one-note way of acting that felt a bit stuffy. I can't think of any particular moment right now but she just felt like she was always embracing the same emotive chord and just carefully bending the whammy bar at times.

I liked her interactions with Worf the most.

What are some good startrek books?

Also, are any of the games good?

>>79608776
>What are some good startrek books?
The nonfiction books.

>>79608776
>What are some good startrek books?
Sarek
Spock's World
Prime Directive
Vendetta
Crucible
Imzadi
Metamorphosis
Star Trek: Destiny trilogy
DS9: Millennium trilogy
ENT: Rise of the Federation series

You'd be surprised how much of the EU is actually good.

>Also, are any of the games good?
Bridge Commander

>>79608925
Thanks, is that the order I should check them out in or if not, which one is the best?

>>79609168
It was just random ones I named off that I remembered being pretty good.
The best is probably the Destiny trilogy. Set post-Nemesis, and featuring the Borg, it's the movie that should've been.

>>79608925
>Star Trek: Destiny trilogy
Please note that this isn't actually good, it's just "epic" and "important" with lots of deaths and 'splosions.

>>79593761

>no race in star trek made long-range artillery ships that would break up enemy formations from a distance and force them to withdraw, spread out, or attack

Always triggered me

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TAYNE?

>>79603063
DS9 was shit.
Total shit.
So was TNG.

>>79593261
Man like nobody's business
of course that's mostly because as a young man I related way too much with Odo.
Odd though, when I had the opportunity to meet her 15 years later, it was a meh moment.

>>79593431
I always thought she was black.

>>79609324
Yeah, it's like the Thrawn trilogy to TNG-era Trek, but you can't help but not put it down.

>>79606409
Wrong.
Ferengi are space jews, and most all jews have tiny penises.

It is a constant in the universe.

>>79593889
Odo had no organs at all
except when he was turned human
then he had all our organs
and had sex
It's possible he has a son somewhere that looks like a half changeling but with no changeling abilities.

>>79609489
Wait, is the Thrawn trilogy considered "not actually good"? Because I liked that. I did not like the Kevin J. Anderson books which followed.

I'll check out Destiny as soon as I finish The Last Argument of Kings. That Glotka!

>>79608776
STO is cool for canon's sake but I personally hate the tiny button layout. It adheres to most of the series quite well so I'd say fans will enjoy it more than non-fans.

>>79598032
Oh yes he did.
He fucked Kai Wynn
that aint right

>>79594268
I fucking loved getting star trek micromachines. I fucking loved micromachines in general.

Has anyone played the Star Trek game from 1971?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek_(text_game)
>The game was non-graphical and was played out visually by printing each successive screen following each player command. On early machines this was printed to a printer, which resulted in a lot of paper being used.

>>79609671
Disneyfags hate the Thrawn trilogy.
But what I meant is that it's similar in that it shakes up the whole universe and changes status quo forever, and also isn't canon

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>>79609377
>TAYNE?

NEW TREK THREAD HERE
>>79606900
>>79606900
>>79606900

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>>79609978
>55 posts early

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THis picture cracks me up lol

>>79610028
Wrong! How many posts early was he?!

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So I'm watching DS9 for the second time. On the last season and Ezri is taking about "getting her pronouns correct" and stuff.
Were the Trills like trying to address gender politics 20 years early?

Also, Ezri kinda sucks in comparison to Jadzia, but she's pretty cute. Especially her Mirror Universe self. Hubba hubba.

>>79610182
fuck off, Janeway

>>79610182
Taking the black pill that is Janeway is truly the hardest to swallow.
It's essentially solipsism.

>>79610155
No, the trills were closer to multiple personality disorder
Ezri starts off sucking, but by the end, I liked her more than Jadzia
She really has to earn her place in a way Jadzia does not.

>>79607889
I don't see how you got THAT far without him being your favorite.

>>79610155
>Hubba hubba.

Dad, get off my fucking imageboard!

>>79609759
Back in the late 90's I recall playing that shit on my firsts linux installs, guess it was probably an open source port.
It was fun, but I wasn't that much into Star Trek back then, shit wasn't as readily accessible as it is today, internet or not.

>>79610155

it was pretty much the reverse, she was trying to get the pronouns right for the body shes actually in

not a special snowflake trying make everyone else get the pronouns right for the imaginary character they are

>>79610401
I have been a computer hobbyist since the 80s but only learned of the 70s Star Trek game recently. I've played Netrek but not this one.

Apparently it's the first roguelike. I learned this from Reddit.com, a site which features news and opinions.

The best ever Star Trek-like game was Starflight. Star Control was pretty good too.

>>79601558
Season 1 has a lot of TOS reboot shit shoehorned into the TNG, Season 2 is largely a train wreck because of the writers strike. 3 is when it hits its stride. I didn't care for a lot of 6 and 7th season episodes, myself. You can tell they've run out of ideas.

>>79593122
Rekt

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>>79610155
Ezri was a better character played by a better actor and far more interesting than Jadzy Sue who could do no wrong in the blandest voice ever.

>but oh how hot she was

>>79601805
>it's another Nerys episode
I have mixed reactions to her, episodes about here were usually boring, but some episodes featuring her were pretty good, like the one with Aamin Marritza.

Remove Bajoran.

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DU
DUKAT
DUKAT MICH

>>79602917
I love that episode.

>>79594268
What Enterprise E is that?

>>79610654
>>79610335

I wonder how the last season would've panned out if the broad playing Jadzia had stayed. I've never looked into it, but are there scripts for scrapped stories floating around?

>>79594268
Look at that immaculate god damned carpet

>>79610609
Got it from some "third party open source games" package in some ancient Linux distribution back then, I always assumed it was an obscure game some nerd wrote in some university in the 70's or 80's, I was kinda surprised I wasn't that far off, but I never imagined it was that popular though.

Never played netrek.
>considered by wikipedia the first MOBA
Oh my.

>>79606918
There's also Sub Rosa which, excluding the writers strike induced clip show, is probably among the worst of Star Trek, and certainly TNG.

>>79609700
Low pah beta

>>79610654
Saw her at a ST convention, she was pretty damned funny.

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>>79611124
>Low pah beta

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>>79598032
That is wrong.
He fucked up so bad that he ruined the best laid plans by GODS and lost the war for The Dominion.

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>>79611124
>Low pah beta

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>>79610155
yes.
this might come as a shock to you but Star Trek has ALWAYS had a far left slant.

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>>79611340
>you seem troubled my child.
>something about... someone dead
>well yes, but not in the way you imagine it

>>79611239
>>79611340
>>79611509
Is DS9 is the closest thing to a TV show starring Jeffrey Combs as every character we will ever have?

>>79593628
>Gene doesn't like war
>ToS is full of fist fights and pew pew laser battles and red shirt deaths
Oh so peaceful

How many fucking fake o'brien are there ?

>>79598032
At least not until he was character assassinated.

>As a proud Cardassian nationalist, Cardassia must be for the Cardassians
>As a proud Cardassian nationalist, I am thrilled to announce that Cardassia will now be the Dominion's bitch.

>The Occupation wasn't as one-sided as people would like to believe
>REEEEE I HATE THOSE FUCKING SUBCARDASSIAN FUCKING BAJORANIGGERS SO FUCKING MUCH I SHOULD HAVE KILLED THEM ALL

>>79611909
Losing a qt daughter will do this to anyone tho

>>79611909
>As a proud American nationalist, I am thrilled to announce that America will now be Russia's bitch.
Star Trek is realer than real life.

>>79612036
https://twitter.com/julianassange/status/831858565535129600?s=09

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>>79592883
incoming call from dukat
*sigh* on-screen..

>>79612151
You can claim to hate the IC all that you want, but I'm sure that you're responsible for more than a few "Section 31 did nothing wrong" posts.

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>>79611909
>>REEEEE I HATE THOSE FUCKING SUBCARDASSIAN FUCKING BAJORANIGGERS SO FUCKING MUCH I SHOULD HAVE KILLED THEM ALL

Bitch, Waltz was Dukatino err.. Dukat-kino.

Seriously, his character died somewhere during or after he broke the doll and became inhabited by the Pah-Wraith

>although, I'd beg that "Covenant" was another great Dukat episode because it was a Cult study within a huge character development centric episode

NEW TREK THREAD HERE
>>79606900
>>79606900
>>79606900

>>79593261
I've never seen two actors with that little of chemistry before or since

>>79599290

Finding this out was beautiful. It was like god granted me another four seasons of Star Trek.

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>>79592883
Shaka, when the plane crashed...

>>79612762

It wasn't chemistry, it was the roles within that relationship that did not fit. They did not have romantic chemistry might be more appropriate.

>>79608925
>Not Rihannsu

Bitch plz

>>79610155
It's weird how in Rick Bermans attempt to skirt any direct references to homosexuality, there have been multiple episodes that are pretty clear allegories for transgenderism.

>>79610729
I kind of like any one where she's telling Kai Win to take a hike.

I skip any one involving her relationship with that piece of wood Vedek Bareil.

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>>79613084
>that piece of wood Vedek Bareil.

he was like the most generic white man ever created

i cant believe they made a fucking toy for that guy

>>79610884
I'm fairly certain they knew Jadzia was going to die by the time her and Worf started trying to have a baby, for added drama. Who knows if they would have gone that route if Terry Farrell hadn't asked to leave.

What I want to know is, how would the Next gen movies have handled it if Worf was still married to Jadzia and possibly had a mixed baby. probably would have just ignored it or written around it like they did with Worfs ambassadorship.

>>79611340
Weyoun was CUTE

>>79612177
I fucked your mama, Naerys!!

>>79612814
Next, watch Andromeda.

>>79611909
I've heard some say he shouldn't have returned after Sacrifice of Angels. Would have been effective, that's for sure.

But I loved his breakdown in Waltz and revealing his true feelings about the Bajorans and his resolve to destroy Bajor but where to go from there?

What should they have done besides having him become a Pah Wraith?

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>>79613432
>Who knows if they would have gone that route if Terry Farrell hadn't asked to leave.
She didn't ask to leave, she asked to do fewer episodes.

Rick Berman forced her to leave.

>>79613707
>she asked to do fewer episodes
Why should she have been granted special privileges?

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>>79613748
What's special about that?

DS9 has loads of recurring characters who aren't in every episode.

>>79613803
What were the details of her contract?

>>79613848
She signed a six-year contract at the beginning of DS9. Her contract ended and it was time to negotiate a new contract.

Contract Source: The Making of Deep Space Nine, by Garfield and Judith Reeves-Stevens

>>79613921
Thanks for that information. I've checked the source you've provided and it's legitimate. I'm glad she was fired and I think it was deserved.

>>79613848
>>79613921
Actually, nevermind about The Making of Deep Space Nine.

You can see in >>79613707 that her 6-year contract expired after she had completed 6 years.

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>>79613921
>Garfield and Judith Reeves-Stevens
>naming your child Garfield

WEW LAD

>>79613957
She wasn't fired.

Can't you get anything right?

>>79614004
She was fired. You can't argue differently. This person was fired from their job.

>>79614058
"She was not fired." - Rick Berman

>>79613702
>What should they have done besides having him become a Pah Wraith?
They shouldn't have turned him into a goddamn genocidal cartoon nazi cum Space Satan in the first place; the only reason they did so was because (((Ira Behr))) was u shittershattered that the fans of the show unironically liked and sympathized with a nazi allegory more than most of the "good guys". Dukat's story should have ended with him waking up in the rubble of Cardassia after fighting to take it back, seeing what his megalomania wrought upon the people he loved so dearly and forsaking his identity to become a faceless wanderer. The weight of hundreds of millions of Cardassian dead should have been what finally broke him as a person.

>>79613707

>You can't be in a situation on our shows where somebody is just going to do seven out of thirteen.

What a load of shit. There have been plenty of Trek episodes where not everyone appeared or had next to zero screentime. I'm rewatching DS9 now and O'Brien was gone for like three straight episodes. There was another where Kira had about a minute of screentime. Same thing happened plenty of times on TNG. Berman's an asshole.

>>79613748
Was she even asking to be downgraded from Regular to recurring? Sounds like she just wanted less episodes focused on Jadzia.

And Berman could have told her no, you're a regular cast member, people would wonder why you weren't in episodes and you'd be retroactively cutting down Michael Dorn's episodes as well since his character is married to yours and it would be weird having him show up more than you.

>>79614082
I can tell you've never owned a business.

She was fired, there's no doubt.

>>79614126
So he should have been in Damar's place? I guess that could work but yeah, I think Behr didn't want to redeem is Hitler stand in.

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>>79614256
DS9 is a business with dozens of part-time employees. She could have been downgraded from full-time to part-time.

And she wasn't fired. She quit. Both she and Rick agree on this. Read >>79613707.

>>79614220
>>79614249
Fun Facts:

Morn appeared in 93 out of 173 episodes of DS9.

Jake Sisko appeared in 71 out of 173 episodes of DS9.

>>79614333
She quit just like General Flynn quit.

Terry was fired, bro

>>79614427
How is Rick Berman firing her by offering her 26 episodes?

>>79614471
That's called an out. He knew she wouldn't accept the terms offered. Wow, you know nothing about firing people.

>>79614297
>So he should have been in Damar's place?
No. He should have been scorned as a traitor but gone to Cardassia to fight anyway - with the full expectation that he would be held accountable for his actions after the dust settled - but then died in the effort for all intents and purposes (complete with disfiguring injuries) and spent the rest of his life wandering the planet anonymously and aiding the rebuilding because he didn't have the strength of character to kill himself.

>>79614508
>He knew she wouldn't accept the terms offered.
Exactly, that's called quitting.

He offered her current job, exactly the same as before, without any changes. That's not firing. I can see that you know nothing about business but you like to shitpost on the internet as if you do whenever you get bored and see a thread that's about to 404 so not many people will be around to call you out on your bullshit.

>>79614612
Fair cop.

>>79594268
This carpet is amazing.

>>79614604
Not bad anon. Sticks to his principles and allegiance to Cardassia but is not absolved and lives in misery.

>>79615014
Yep. A million times better than the stupid bullshit that actually happened. He went from being a charismatic nazi with a trollish streak to being an unhinged genocidal maniac to being a comic book villain and then died to shitty special effects. Dukat's story line even managed to drag down Sisko, and dragging down other characters by association is the marker of truly god-awful character writing.