What went so, so right

Is there any better television than the first 5 episodes of this? I'm a huge Sopranos fan, but I don't think so.

i think it's the single greatest series of any tv show. absolutely flawless

>>79456757
I can't decide if it's mainly Pizzolato's triumph or Fukunaga. I think I lean towards Fukunaga.

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>>79456428
Just here for the memes, Marty

>>79456428
Nothing, assuming you're not a pleb. Cool visuals, fedora-core story and dialogues.

I don't enjoy tv shows, so everybody recommended me the first season of TD because it's more of a "mini-series", not a tv show for them.

Well for me the experience was exactly like any other tv show, unenjoyable.

The primary focus is on the narrative and nothing else, the repetitive structure, countless establishing shots and shots of a car entering a location, countless "let's go to a bar for a beer" exposition dialogues, every episode has to end with a cliffhanger, every episode has one big moment which is executed well while the rest is mostly filler, countless twists and turns etc

Like any other tv show.
Most of the time you don't even have to look at the screen, the back to back camerawork in dialogues get's so overused that you can basically just listen to the conversation without even watching the screen and grasp all the information you need because the written narrative is the main thing here, while in film it's the visual narrative.

>>79456859
A bit autistic but I agree, TV shows are an inferior form of a visual medium compared to film.

>>79456859
Man, you must be great at parties.

>>79456742
you mean first 4 episodes
that le one take action scene ruined the whole mood of the show

>>79457418
the show was ruined the moment reddit started liking it tbqh

>>79457418
Are you fucking serious? It was great.

>>79456859
>actual /tv/
>>79457245
>nu-tv
>>79457407
>le

>>79457744
it was well done, yes
but it was out of place

>>79456428
>there was no other noir-ish show around
>good main cast
only this. everithing else was mediocre

>>79456428
cary

>>79456428
>What went so, so right?
>Alan Moore
>Thomas Ligotti
>Grant Morrison
>Cary Fukunaga
>Louisiana (which the original pitch wasn't set)
>amazing charisma between Rust n Cohle

>>79456859
>mostly filler
you mean narrative? seems like you're categorizing anything you dislike as filler, which is beyond sophomoric.

>>79457749
So you're telling me actual /tv/ doesn't enjoy watching tv? Seems legit.

>>79456428
McConaughey and Woody were such great actors and had such natural chemistry because they were IRL bros that they were able to carry Pizzolatto's hack writing.

>>79457956
Yeah, they only watch kino.

/tv/ was best when you went on tv, there was 5 cunny threads so you went omg im a normie i can't see that and left.

they were the filter ;_;

>>79456782
It was both men firing on all cylinders. Nic spent years writing the script.

>>79456859
I liked the show but this was pretty spot on, often find myself listening to TV instead of watching

>>79456428
mcconacuck is overrated, woody harrelson is absolutely based.

>>79458208
fuck off reddit

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rate my OC

>>79458208
>MAN FUCK YOU, YOU REALLY PISS ME OFF FUCK YOU

wow so based

>>79458289
>>79458334
>rust is just like me!
underage

>>79458129
>Nic spent years writing the script
yeah, the pitch and the pilot. Fukunaga said they didn't have scripts ready after the third episode so Pizz had to work twice as fast durign the shooting schedule to finish up. i would suggest people here read the pilot and second episode scripts (they're out there and readily available) and notice the changes Fukunaga and co. made during production. nearly all were for the better. best of all was basing the story in Louisiana and omitting the more cartoonish hallucinations Rust had.

>>79458355
Faux nonconformism is very popular among redditkids these days
>IF I TELL THEM THAT __smth obviously good__ IS OVERRATED M-MAYBE ILL LOOK COLL R-RIGHT GUYS?

>Rustin Cohle
>Rust n Coal
>aluminum and ash
>beer cans and cigarettes

TIME IS A FLAT CIRCLE MORTY

>>79458355
I never said rust was great, both are edgy

kino right here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOGoX1B6_2k

>>79458208
I wish they would do a little scene for the DVD or something where they switch roles and redo the first car conversation. Upbeat conformist McConneagahudg and dour philosophical Woody bouncing off each other. Love to see that.

>>79458450
he overacts, he's really not that good.
>>79458479
how is a serial womanizer with a good heart edgy?

>>79457883
This guy gets it.

>>79458479
another faggot that just calls everything edgy

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>>79458304
top meme

>>79458482
Man that ending was so stellar

>dialogue based drama
Serious question, why would you watch this instead of reading Crime and Punishment or something?

>>79456428
Not much honestly, 2 main actors were good and that's it. Rest it pretty bland and cliche.

>>79458973
because we're not some ritalin-starved millenial that can't sit down and listen to a good actor deliver solid dialogue? just look at the way it all comes together in >>79458479 , it's a fundamentally different experience than you can get in a novel although there's nothing wrong with books

>>79459272
oops, meant look at how it comes together in >>79458482

It was made with a male audience in mind

>>79459272
>it's a fundamentally different experience than you can get in a novel

How so?
If it was a proper film I would agree, but the only thing TD has is character development and writing, every other filmmaking element is there just to "fill the form", no use of it.

>>79459272
But that's, at best, like listening to mediocre song sung by a great singer.

Episodes 1-2-3 are nearly perfect detective mystery tv
Episode 4 (the raid episode) is a good episode but feels like it's from an entirely different show
Episdoes 5-6 are great
Episodes 7 and 8 show a pretty sharp decline in writing quality and it ends on a low note.

>>79459309
disagree. you're saying that because you're male and the characters we're so flawed with the women in their lives but still portrayed as brave and good men. the female characters, few as they were, were good. marty got what he deserved, and his wife still obviously cared about him, she was well written.

>>79456428
Semi-Lovecraftian plot with superb writing.

>>79459395
i loved the ending.

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>>79456815

>>79459375
>>79459382
i know, it needed more golden ratio and centered wes anderson framing to be considered true kino by /tv/

>>79457744
it was great in and of itsels and that's kind of the problem. it transcends the show for no other reason than its technical feat. now when I watch it in the context of the show it feels like everything was kind of building to this one scene and the whole crew blew their wad on it. i actually just kind of skimmed the rest of the series after that because it took me out of it so much.

>>79459534
okay sorry I'll remember to give moving picture dialogue "at least you tried" points and forget that it's poor compared to literature

>>79459534
>no argument of why it's a fundamentally different experience than you can get in a novel
>better respond with buzzwords

Never change

>>79458304
that's great man, saved

>>79456859
Most films are more repetetive than tv shows. That same three arc structure and forced character development in two hours. So everybody become a totally different person in two hours all the time IRL, how immersive and believable.

>>79458070
Mods starting to ban waifue threads was what really killed /tv/. The very core and soul of this board went to shit and now all what's left is bitterness.

>>79456428
Absolutely everything

>>79460043
>Mods starting to ban waifue threads was what really killed /tv/.
are you fucking serious

/tv/ was literally unbearable during that shit

>>79457762
It wasn't out of place. That's a bad contrarian meme.

>>79459436
What you said isn't contradictory. Well written women are a requirement for make centered entertainment.

>>79460114
Hello rebbit

>>79457418
Do people really dislike that scene? Are you talking about when they raid the farm? I honestly didn't think that scene was such a big deal. Hardly "action" too. All they did was shoot some guy execution style and shoot another guy trying to flee who exploded for some reason.

And that explosion was comedic relief.
Right...?

>>79459922
>So everybody become a totally different person in two hours all the time IRL, how immersive and believable

What kind of stupid comparison is that?
Most films show a narrative which does not represent actual two hours like in real life but a certain period, weeks or years doesn’t matter.
And that wasn't even the point of that post.

The point is that the majority of TV shows underuse all filmmaking elements except the writing and characterization, other elements like editing, cinematography, sound design etc are all there just to fill the form, not as crucial elements to deliver the story.
In actual films the written narrative is just one of the tools to tell the story through the visual narrative with framing and composition combined with the performances, you couldn't just take a Tarkovsky film and translate the experience on a book just like that because he utilizes every single element to deliver the end product.

Now take a look at any TV show thread, no one talks about anything else but characters and literal plot points, nothing else. That alone should make it all clear for you

>>79460294
what do you mean?
i'm saying i'm a woman and i really enjoyed the series, marty was my favourite character despite his disloyalty to his wife, i understood it. i think maybe you're underestimating the capacity of people in general to understand a complicated character, unless you have specific examples that's i'm not understanding?

>>79460464
They're talking about the raid in the hood with ginger

>>79460544
>specific examples that's i'm not understanding
when he taps his foot in ep3 what kabbalistic injoke is he doing?

When does the Lovecraftian stuff come into play? I'm nearly finished with the first season and haven't noticed anything remotely Lovecraftian.

Do you know the good times when you're in them, /tv/?

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>S1 E4 of an HBO show is better than 95% of the movies that Hollywood shits out nowadays

>>79460544
I'm saying that there's no way the series was designed for women. Women's entertainment in general relies on relationship fulfillment whereas male centered entertainment relies on task/occupational fulfillment.

The series is about relationships falling apart but subpar/bad men being able to fulfill their task to prevent the furthering of even worse men.

>>79457922
Fucking this. The same kind of folk are quick to shout "shit writing" when something goes over their heads.

>>79460692
i get your point, but i don't agree. i know quite a few women who love cop drama type shows with dysfunctional lead characters whose private life is never ''concluded'', as it were.

Women's vs Men's entertainment is just a product name made by producers looking to hook in ''demographics''. it might be true in some cases but we're all individual, we like different things.

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>>79460765
>goes over their heads

>>79458376
>>79457883
Where was the original pitch set?

Season 1: reddit
Season 2: 4chan

>>79460893
so in your opinion reddit is obviously the better website

>>79460915
for you

>>79460593
Oh I totally forgot about that. If anything, it's impressive filming.

>>79456742

Sopranos is overrated garbage.

Why are Americans so obsessed with organized crime?

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where is Ginger?

Is he still in the ditch?

>>79456859

As much as youre right about 99% of films and series, TD is actually quite visual, especially S2.

>>79460774
Fair enough, I don't disagree with that

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>>79456428
Writing/story, Fukunaga, main cast. It all worked together perfectly. Season 2 felt quite weak in comparison because of
>boring premise compared to s1
>weaker writing/story
>too many characters to remain focused
>weaker cast
>directing wasn't on par (too many pointless repetitive aerial shots for example).
Oh, and the theme song in s2 was garbage.

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>>79456428
the first thing I watched when i got HBO. Why can't season 2 be better.

>>79461152

>MUH OCCULT CONSPIRACY

Youre to dumb for s2.

>>79461238
whatever you say pleb

>>79461157
>why can't season 2 be better
because it's as good as it gets

>>79461299
Casperw knew this. Also, checked.

>>79458482
fuck man, even the music was perfect.

Wish I had watched with /tv/ when it aired.

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>skip bad parts in bad tv shows
>felt bad even skipping the intro song in true detective

>>79456428
I like the ending.

>>79459922
That's pretty much the only redeeming thing about tv shows though; the gradual character development. But honestly if you're only watching a movie for character development then you're a pleb and probably have shit taste.

>>79461431
it was great.

>>79461003
>being this shallow

>>79460796
The Ozarks, Arkansas. Louisiana was where Rust undercovered in the initial treatment and pilot. there were flashbacks to his drug days and a scene that portrays why the Louisiana PD took him out of that work. he murdered some junkie while high and they covered it up.

I think season 2 is underrated

>>79456742
Not that I know of. GOAT

>>79462217
WRONG. only good thing about season 2 was it brought us Vince posting. other than that it killed the series and IDK if we will ever get a season 3.

>>79462217
it's fucking awful

the atmosphere is jarring and they had no understanding of dark humour or proper cuts.

season 2 is demanding and tiring to watch not because it's smart in any way but because there's no sense of anything tangible. just moody music and another scene where someone drinks a whiskey. the plot is insignificant and uninteresting so there's nothing to tie it all together, even character development is non-existant.

wish i never watched it. not that i remember pretty much anything from the season..... i mean can anyone tell me a single memorable scene? a scene that really works in the setting?

>>79456428
> the villain not having a motive for heinously murdering people except for being le evil swampman
> the key to the mystery being the green paint, most of the series was just fucking around
> the most cynical character ever written literally sees the light at the end and turns everything around

Maybe this?

>>79463687
kys

>>79461003
>Why are Americans so obsessed with organized crime?

Because it plays a large part in American history.

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true detective and this movie are very similar

>>79463716
strong rebuttal

>>79463716
Why should something which is good be considered flawless?

If you want someone to stroke your opinion and circlejerk to oblivion you know where to go

>>79463716
Nice argument senpaichi

>>79457883
How was Alan Moore involved? We're talking about the comic writer, right?

>>79461268

season 2 is literally pleb filter.

I fucking hate you reddit cucks

>>79457418
Wrong. It was fucking perfect and an amazing climax. I honestly just wish the show ended on that scene. It was so fucking intense.

>>79463990
Those are the writers Nic lifted from. The ending dialogue is taken almost verbatim from Top 10.

>>79461003
i agree on this, i really dont like these mafias movies

McNulty was a much better nihilistic character than Rust.

>>79464092
What a fucking hack. Fukunaga really was the saving grace of this shit.

>>79463687
>Entire premise is about how there's unexplained and meaningless evil in the world yet it is our purpose to never give up hope in fighting it
>The villain had no motive
Kill yourself

>>79456859
>The primary focus is on the narrative and nothing else
The primary focus was on on the main characters of Rust and Cohle and their evolving relationship, I don't see anything wrong with the how they used the narrative to advance these two.
>the repetitive structure
Repetitive how? Repetitive almost always implies it gets old quick but the methods almost always further engaging the viewer because of how the story generated an increased level of suspense.
>countless "let's go to a bar for a beer" exposition dialogues
Countless is not an accurate word here but you're invested in your own opinion so the negative has to be used that much more negatively. Two of the best scenes in the series involve short dialogue scenes in two separate bars with two different moods (talking about when Marty's wife walks out on him and then later when Rust meets up with Ledoux's brother).
>every episode has to end with a cliffhanger
Even if other television shows utilize this method, what's wrong about it? Storytelling has involved using this same method before film even existed. Novelists and sci-fi writers that would break their books up into chapters all set-up the next chapter appropriately in this manner and it's effective; it works on the natural ebb and flow of the story.
>every episode has one big moment which is executed well while the rest is mostly filler, countless twists and turns etc

At this point in your post I'll just stop typing because you say all these episodes only have one "big moment" (untrue), give us no examples then make a blanket general statement like "mostly filler" which is entirely untrue or else the series would not be such a resounding success.

The show was a success universally and your critique doesn't hold up in the slightest when we get into specifics.

>>79464936
That post is actual /tv/.

>>79464816
>your interpretation
>entire premise

Nice

Also
>wow le evil swampman is evil because he is evil lmao so deep

>>79464936
You have proved my point exactly.

I never said it's a "bad" TV show, I just said TV shows in general are an inferior medium compared to film, where it's all just about the characters and that's it, no use of the visual medium whatsoever.
Look at any of your points, you are just explaining how it's written good (which it is) and that's all you can say about it, none of the other filmmaking elements matter at all.
As a matter of fact, look at this whole thread, no one talks about anything else but the story and characters.

There is no need for this to be in form of a visual medium if the only thing that is good is the story.
As I sad already, most of the time you don't even have to look at the screen and you will grasp it at the same level as if you're watching it.

>>79458034
Honestly, this. You can give lottapizza and fukunaga all the credit you want, but what it really came down to was those two carrying the whole fucking thing.

>>79465184
the average viewer is impressed by "visuals" such as
>Dr. Strange cgi
>Interstellar cgi
>inception cgi

so the fact that people are not talking about the visuals in true detective hardly means they aren't great.

>As I sad already, most of the time you don't even have to look at the screen and you will grasp it at the same level as if you're watching it.
and this is bait

>>79456428

Rust was a great character and the links to The Yellow King (a good book) are amazing. I watched two episodes of the second series and it was pretty bad, so I gave up.

Series one was outstanding.

>>79465184
You haven't seen the Wire, have you? Not the person you responded to, but I'd beg to differ. That show always gave you subtle visual hints for different characters, e.g. the exam where Stringer got A- which was meant to imply how he was always better than most, but not the best.

>>79465184
>no use of the visual medium whatsoever.

The director (Cary Fukunaga) had some of the most incredible visuals I've ever seen in a series and it actually made me want to drive through Louisiana because of how remarkably captured the entire murky flat landscape really had you mired into the overall setting.

I do wonder if your post is bait in this regard because he won an Emmy and the style was also universally acclaimed.

And the rest of your post is irrelevant to me, go watch a bunch of movies but don't then use bad arguments to tell how a series is bad because it has to tell a story, that it has to setup the next installment, that it has to use similar dialogue patterns because, if it didn't there would be no story at all.

>>79465465
>Emmy
>displaying validity
Just don't.

>>79465465
>The director (Cary Fukunaga) had some of the most incredible visuals
ever heard about art direction?

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>>79456428
I miss the "times you acted like Rust" threads

>>79465482
I'd say there is a great deal of validity to the non-acting awards in both the Emmys and even the Oscars.

>>79465494
Yeah, I know but he was also a main producer and worked with most involved. There would be plenty more to mention, and they should when it comes to the look and feel of the film. That T-Bone Burnett guy's soundtrack is unforgettable.

>>79465315
Funny how the first thing you think of when someone mentions visuals is "cgi".

Again, it's a visual medium, you should be telling a story through visuals, the framing and composition, editing, blocking etc, not just characters acting infront of a camera.
For example, when you talk about anything by Tarkovsky the only thing you can talk about is the visuals, perfect example of a written narrative being just a tool for the visual narrative.
Even acclaimed dialogue heavy films like 12 Angry Men still utilise it's medium fully, every shot is framed to support the narrative, what is being said in the script is being said visually too. But in TD most of those elements are neutral and have no use in the story, the framing of those "questioning" scenes in TD are the same the whole season no matter what happens, constant back to back over the shoulder shots and that's it.

Yes the acting is great in TD, the writing too, but as I said too many times now, all the other filmmaking elements are there just to fill the form.

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>>79465184
>>79465651
Did you even watch the show? You can't pass these things off in books.

>all these film school dropouts and armchair critics

Awesome... just awesome.

>>79465744
I don't get it

>>79465820
What an insightful post.

>>79465859

notice king you mandatory fag

>>79465651
im rewatching true detective now and i wholeheartedly disagree

first time i watched season 1 i was so encompassed by the story that I didn't even notice the subtle hints and narrative told through the visuals

you can throw around the statement that "oh but that's just an exception" all day but every episode is filled with visual narrative which supplement the story. the story in true detective is spans a long time and time is a clear element in the show. part of the visual narrative can only be understood after you've watched the show once

TV-shows are different to movies because they have the length to have slower shots and scenes like the questioning which don't have to tell a visual narrative on-top of an already encompassing written one. every director can fill a movie with visual narrative but that's not inherently a good thing.

>>79465886
not that anon but lmao it's just a damn easter egg that's in no way crucial to the story

>>79458973
Crime and Punishment is complete shit

>>79465985
>complete shit
Why?

>>79464807
Ehh it's a tough call. Obviously he went too far when shits almost verbatim. But still, the dialogue he stole was from a sideplot of a sideplot in an obscure Moore comic and he realized that shit was strong enough to be the conclusion to the fucking incredible story he was crafting. Fukunaga definitely elevated everything to another level though. McConneagahudg too, he put a crazy amount of work into the Rust character. Wrote tomes about him.

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Oh, and as an aside, WHY WASN'T REVEREND TUTTLE THE BAD BAD MAN AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL?!?!

Seriously, this guy played the evangelical minister and look and careful lawyer like speech to near perfection. He fit in with that Podesta type of guy who obviously has SOME skeletons dangling in his closet and wants to meddle wherever he can to keep the authorities looking where they shouldn't.

I really loved how well this guy played the role, all the subtle gestures like playing with the pinky ring when he starts to use emotional language.

Don't know if he would be considered underrated I just rarely hear or read anyone mentioning how well this guy played the role.

>seen here sporting a yellow tie

>>79463687
>the villain not having a motive for heinously murdering people except for being le evil swampman
Wrong.

>the key to the mystery being the green paint, most of the series was just fucking around
Wrong.

>the most cynical character ever written literally sees the light at the end and turns everything around
Rust is hardly the most cynical character ever written but yes it was a bit cheesy

>>79465999
it's written in russian
how am I supposed to read this shit?

>>79465889
>every director can fill a movie with visual narrative but that's not inherently a good thing.

It's not about "filling" the movie with visual narrative, every frame should be it, visual narrative is the point. Why use the medium if you are not using it?
Post just one film that doesn't use visual narrative and it's considered as a generally acclaimed "masterpiece"

>>79456742
Absolutely ridiculous. The show as good as fuck, but flawless? You must be out of your mind.

>>79466124
Learn the fucking language, you lazy sack of shit.

>>79465999
You remove the psychological aspect of that book and you just have an autistic man killing two old ladies when they catch them trying to rob one of them and then acting like a complete spaz for the rest of the book. And if all of that wasn't bad enough you had the police or whatever that guy was literally fucking with him instead of arresting him right away. The guy knows he killed them but instead of doing his job he just fucks with him for 100+ pages FOR NO FUCKING REASON.

>>79466202
>learning some dog subhuman language to read a fucking 200 years old novel

>>79466083
>>the villain not having a motive for heinously murdering people except for being le evil swampman
>Wrong.

he's kinda right

>>79466222

Ivan Denisovich is the superior Russian literature for me.

>>79466253
No, he's wrong.
I would actually bother explaining why he's wrong but considering the show spent 2 episodes establishing the that villain motivation there is only two possible reasons he posted that
1- to get (You)s
2- he didn't watch the show
That guy is not even the actual villain of the show, but then again this is also something that anybody who watched this knows.

>>79466222
>if you remove the quintessential part of the novel out, the novel is shit!
Are you fucking serious? This has to be bait. Petrovich had doubts, but needed Raskolnikov's confession in order to be 100% certain.

>>79466353
*le evil swampMEN conspiracy

>>79466363
>Petrovich had doubts
no he didn't
he literally didn't
Also, in case you didn't notice, my point when on to explain why the part you think it's quintessential is actually also shit.
If watching autistic men sperg out was something worthwhile every single /r9k/ thread should be printed and published

>>79466484
>no he didn't
How did he not? The scene where Raskolnikov sees him in the police station implies that.

>Also, in case you didn't notice, my point when on to explain why the part you think it's quintessential is actually also shit
You just called it shit without further explanation. Just because you disagree with him, doesn't mean his ideas are shit by default. Also, trivialising a novel by "le autist sperg kills 2 kikes" is quite ignorant on your part.

>>79465184
>written good
*goodly

>>79465985
fuck off volodya
>>79466248
>200 years old