How do you save this franchise?

it doesn't need saving, it's killer robots, make something original, terminator lore isn't nearly good enough to care

>>79440891
cute waifu robots

>>79440891
you kill it dead and erase everything after T2.

>>79442010
>>79440891
This.

>>79440891
No more time travel. Show the war like the battle scenes in 1 & 2.

have Arnold play his age, and for a change, not a terminator.

i remember before terminator geneses there was this rumor about the plot being Arnold playing the inspiration for the terminator.

it wouldve been a neat thing having Arnold play this human character who eventually ends up the inspiration for Skynet's T-800's

but honestly, what the series needs to do is become simple again, be Rated R again, and have effort again. AKA use practical effects and only use CG for enhancement.

the T-1000 in T-2 was almost 85% practical effects. pretty much the only CG was for transformation effects. but parts where he gets cut in half or blown open were practically done and they looked better for it.

give it back to Cameron.

>>79442571
Look at Aliens, one of the best action movies of all time and my favorite movie. What happens when we finally get the soldiers vs aliens moment? They take their guns away because muh reactor primary cooling.

Terminator has become muh reactor primary cooling. Terminator is supposed to kill people. The fear of them putting their hand down your throat and ripping your fucking heart out is gone. Bring it back!

Make it a never ending anthology of films set in various time periods and locations.
>Wild west terminator
>WW2 terminator
>Robin hood terminator
>Ancient Greek terminator (twist is terminator is the one who inspired Hercules myths)
>

>>79442679

They just need a scene where a terminator just nonchalantly walks down a hallway of people shooting at it while it follows its target. and then the one guy who gets in its way instantly gets his head crushed.

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>>79442723
This is fear and better than any Terminator scene.

>>79442679
for how much terminators get hyped as close = too late, there's been way too many scenes of people running between their legs to escape unharmed

>>79442679
the initial concept for the terminator in T-1 was supposed to be a robot who can blend in with the crowd. an ordinary looking character who could be anyone. that went out the window when Arnold was cast because he doesnt blend in at all-

but the T-1000 had shades of that since he looked more like a normal person. (and blended in looking like a cop)

T-1 was also basically a slasher movie. It's a Slasher movie but with a sci-fi bend.

maybe they should actually try and play more to that slasher aspect of the concept, and actually do a terminator who blends in perfectly and can be anyone anywhere- without the gimmick of transformation that the t-1000 had.

of course the main problem with the series is that you cant make a convincing story if the good guy is some random person each time, and manages to win. the series is trapped by it's own plot, and by the audience expectations. people EXPECT a story that has something to do with John Connor or Sarah Connor, because the original 2 told us they were basically the 2 most important people to skynet's existence, and people expect Arnold to be in it because he is THE face of the franchise.

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Crossover with Robocop.

>>79442862
that crossover comic was some great shit.

>>79442786
Hand to Hand, who would win: T-800 or The Mountain (book version)?

>>79440891
>franchise
That's the problem. There should have only been 2 movies.

>>79442010
pretty much this but add that universal studios 3d show too.

>>79442571
>i remember before terminator geneses there was this rumor about the plot being Arnold playing the inspiration for the terminator.

This was a deleted scene in T3:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kayFrIR-Qfw

>>79442862
who wants to kill who? I can understand Predator wanting to kill the alien, but where does that leave Terminator? also who am i supposed to side with?

First, why does it need saving? It should just be left alone.

Second, if I was tasked with it, I would just make a movie near the end of the Future War -- I'd come up with some explanation as to why it still happened.

And I would use FAR MORE practical effects to mimic how T1/T2 looked.

>>79442981
I remember that, but i remember there was a rumor about the movie having Arnold as some human badass main character. which would have been a nice twist, where Arnold is the human and not the robot

>>79443000
In this timeline Skynet won and runs in to aliens after it develops warp jump hyperspace gravity drive systems.

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>>79440891
You can't. It went down the shitter with T2.

>T1
Basically a slasher film with unstoppable murdering robot played by a menacing looking bodybuilder, pretty much Jason Voorhees with a metallic skeleton, trying to kill a defenseless young girl a few year before total nuclear holocaust happens.

>T2
LOOK MOM I MET THIS EVIL GUY FROM THE FIRST MOVIE EXCEPT NOW HE'S A GOOD GUY AND ALSO MY PERSONAL TRAINED DOG HEY TERMINATOR STAND ON ONE LEG AND BARK HAHA HE ACTUALLY DID IT THIS IS SO RAD AND AWESOME MY PERSONAL KILLER ROBOT DO I GET TO KEEP HIM MOOOOOM PLEEEEEASE ???

The first film was something like Halloween while the second film was pretty much Iron Giant with the same chase scenes recreated but with a comical twist and chock full of cheap family friendly sentimentality, complete with the Old Yeller moment as the robot kills himself by jumping into a pile of melted steel.

>>79442459
That's basically Terminator 4. Which then again, shouldn't have been done.

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>>79442843
>the initial concept for the terminator in T-1 was supposed to be a robot who can blend in with the crowd. an ordinary looking character who could be anyone. that went out the window when Arnold was cast because he doesnt blend in at all
They went all the way to pre-production intending for Arnold to play Kyle Reese and Lance Henriksen to play The Terminator

I wonder how different the world would be if that had happened. I feel like it really could have worked and been pretty great but it wouldn't have ended up as a megafranchise afterwards.

>>79442908
>T-800 or The Mountain (book version)?
arnie

>>79440891
It cant be saved. Hollywood changed. Humans lost the war.
Skynet develops every movie for maximum profit.
Not risks or creative license allowed.

>>79443103
*tips*

>>79442981
oh god

>>79443136
that version makes more sense but I am glad it turned out the way it did. Lance would have been too good at pretending to be human. Arnie is very believable as a robot.

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>people honestly thinking the effects are the issue
>not the atrocious writing
>not the terrible performances
>not the bland direction
>not the forgettable soundtracks

I hate reboots as much as the next guy, but I think Terminator is one series where it may actually be a good idea.

Time travel is already an inherently convoluted plot point, and then you have multiple sequels that have just made a mess of the "plot" to the point where it is now just ridiculous. At least with time travel they could work out a way to reboot the series with another timeline.

Aside from that, the movies just need to go back to their roots; an unstoppable killing machine from the future goes back in time to murder (the mother of) the future human resistance leader. That's it. Make the machines a menacing threat again. I know that Arnie wanted to play a good guy, and the whole "friendly Terminator" thing worked well in T2, but we need Terminators to be "terminators" again.

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>>79442981
Terminator 3 was a straight-up comedy.

I don't even begrudge them that, I don't know why people are so assmad over it

Do you think a movie could be made entirely about the war with the machines?
I'm not talking about Salvation, but the James Cameron stuff. The future war scenes in T1 and at the beginning of T2 were so fun to watch, but was that because they were relatively short?

>>79443304
>Terminator 3 was a straight-up comedy.
Only until the graveyard scene, then it shifts to action.

>>79443281
>forgettable soundtracks
So much this. T3, T4 and Genysis basically sound like Call of Duty.

>>79443406
Eh, even a Band Of Brothers style future war pic is still leading up to one point: our heroes get to Skynet just as they're sending Arnie back in time, suddenly CGI de-aged cameo Michael Biehn appears - "...I'll do it... I'll go back..." Cut to T1.

Just seems so anti-climactic to me.

>>79442981
Why does this feel like Total Recall? It can't be just because it has Arnold.

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>>79443542
The movie climaxes with the villain being slammed facefirst through a porcelain toilet

>>79443586
It would need to be stuff that is happening away from the main plot. I thought Terminator salvation was fine. Dont know it gets so much hate.

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>>79443603
I totally see it

The Hauser tapes had the same lighthearted turned ominous tone featuring a Schwarzenegger character who doesn't feel like "the real Arnold"

>>79443636
The main reason I dislike it is because it didn't have lasers or that 80s futuristic/apocalypse look. The rest of it was okay, but there were too many contemporary elements that took me out of it.

I basically wanted this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ih_l0vBISOE as a movie. Likely wouldn't work, but I can at least dream.

>>79443875
That gunfire still looks so good. I wonder why they decided to stop using that effect.

>>79440891
You can't. For years, all anyone wanted was a look at the future and the war with Skynet just based on how badass the future scenes were in the first two. Salvation ruined that with its Terminator motorcycles and what not.

The whole "no fate but what we make vs. Judgment Day is inevitable" thing has been mined to death. There's nothing more you can do with that. The John/Sarah relationship has also been played out.

Whatever little interesting side stories worth exploring were done in The Sarah Connor Chronicles.

It's done. Let it die.

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>>79440891
Get rid of the Connors

Do a chase movie like the first two but instead the protag are other resistance members who'll do some important shit in the future

Or a movie with the resistance sending soldiers to kill the inventor of the time travel machine

Honestly there's a bunch of different interesting stuff you could do with this franchise

>>79444284
FFS just do a movie about Kyle Reese trying to survive in the post-apocalypse, dodging T-600s and escaping the concentration camps.

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Give the Terminators AIMBOT as Skynet intended.

Have the Terminators swarm THE GREAT WALL OF CHINA.

UNDERWATER chase scenes. scuba vs terminator. ICTHYSNATOR! FISH ROBOTS!!!!

ROBOT PLANTS!!!! TOMATONATOR!!!!!

COW ROBOTS infiltrating the human's beef supplies!!

>>79444348
Just a movie about robot concentration camps would be interesting.
Scenes where T-600 are rounding up people peacefully and then the realization that they are fucked when they reach the camps.

It is supposed to be an orderly extermination.

>>79444396
I genuinely wonder why Skynet has to go full 1940s nazi with the extermination, I mean hoarding them in camps and all that hassle. Why not just bombard the entire planet with neurotoxins or some shit?

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>>79444390
Has there ever been any movie that demonstrated how absolutely horrifying a combat robot with strong AI would actually be?

Because the Terminator franchise sure makes them job hard

>>79444450
Ski net only has access to America's nukes and some labs. Thats why the human resistance can actually fight it.

Once the bombs are all gone its actually quite weak. Rounding people up into camps makes sense if you present yourself as rescue. People wont resist then.

If you shoot on sight all the humans will run away.

>>79444450
Supposedly the camps were for study and experimentation, designing better terminators, poisons, etc.

>>79440891
>How do you save this franchise
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/9658524/1/Branches-on-the-Tree-of-Time
like this

Salvation was the right road to go down and was 100x better than Genesis.

Less time travel BS, less OMG REMEMBER THE ORIGINALS GUYS, more killer robots and apocalypse.

The main issue with Salvation was Sam Worthington again being shit, shoe horning Arnold in at the end, and revealing the tweest in the trailers. Meanwhile Genesis failed at every conceivable level and everything was terrible

>>79444489
Second renaissance although it kind of handwaves why nukes dont work.

>>79440891

>How do you save this franchise?

I dont have to

>http://deadline.com/2017/01/terminator-james-cameron-deadpool-tim-miller-david-ellison-skydance-1201890848/

>>79444348
Kyle Reese is done to death, it's pointless to do a movie about a character you know isn't going to die until 1984 in the timeline

New characters, if done right you could get completely surprised if they managed to kill some of them by competent Terminators

>>79443114
Terminator 4 futuristic wars look nothing like they did in T1 and T2. I guess lasers are to cheesy for a movie nowadays

>>79444489
Speilberg was going to make a movie about Robocalypse

He quit after World War Z (which is basically a companion piece to Robocalypse) became developmental hell and he found shit unintentionally funny, like how people walk up steep hills to avoid the robots on wheels.

>>79440891
Nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

>>79442571
There's a book series involving the Connors going to South America and some IRL Arnie guerrilla fighter covering there ass.

>>79444636
Well yes. I was only making a point.
>Terminator 3 flops critically, rightholders still want to make a new movie
"Let's just make it post-war"
>Salvation flops critically too
duhh let's just make it about time travel again
>Genysis happens

They've never cared about the presentation. They think the Terminator audience is made up of gullible idiots that'll just eat up anything they label as Sci-Fi.

>>79444816
>Salvation flops critically too
Because it was low budget desert apocalypse like the Resident Evil one. We want a night time Los Angeles battle. Not hard, but expensive.

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Terminator Genesis was Kino.

>>79444934
Never seen Genesis, but Genysis was garbage.

>>79444891
>Los Angeles gets nuked to hell and back
>killer robots are deployed to exterminate the remaining population
I don't understand why some people think this would be a bad thing that we should strive to prevent.

>>79444650
World war z was a silly book but it had some cool parts in it. They managed to not include even one cool thing in the movie.

>>79440891
It can't be saved because it never made sense to begin with.

It created an infinite time loop. The world is always ending and being saved simultanously in different parallel universes forever.

>>79443406
you still need a plot. and war movies are pretty much overdone at this point.

>>79444974
i thought they took john in an interesting direction, dunno why they keep pushing a humanoid skynet though, it really sucks

>>79445093
Its always that way. A decentralized enemy or a wall of computers is too much for the audience.

>>79444934

Salvation was GOAT

>>79444934
*garbagekino

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEJMDet82Hk&t=29s&ab_channel=moviebob

You should listen to MovieBob's way to save it.

You can only expect good opinions from him

>>79445367
>Wants a black actress lead BECAUSE she is black.
Retard alert.

>>79445367
This guy is saying that Terminator movies should be about disenfranchised men (who happen to be white in his examples) trying to stop a technofuture paradise ushered in by a black female genius (who we need specifically for the sake of it being a black female lead) where nerds rule and jokes drool.

This video is fucking brilliant. Im surprised its not posted more. Its so fucking stupid.

>>79445675
*jocks drool

>>79445675
the guy's whole life is a trainwreck

>>79445712
Fill me in.

Is he trolling? Its seems like a pretty good trolling routine.

>>79445807
There was a /tv/ thread on him when the video was first posted

look up the guy's ED article.

>>79445902
I wish I could be in that thread for the tears and the people mocking this idiot.

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>>79445807
Here's everything you need to know about Moviebob, straight from his own book

>>79445935
from his article:
>The autobiographical parts of the book are downright creepy. They tell about his psychotic obsession with Mario, his attempts to escape the real world with it and his desire to be Mario.

>He goes into some truly unsettling details about his life. For example: How his entire family hates him to the point that after work he would hide in his car and play Mario instead of going inside and facing them, how he got bullied in school and how disappointed he was by Yoshi's Island revealing that Mario was born in a fictional place and therefore Bob's schizophrenic delusions of being him were shattered. He equates Mario related events to the assassination of JFK and 9/11 and the Console Wars to the Vietnam War and talks about watching Transformers at the gym (his love for a children's shows continues to this day while his dedication to losing weight is long gone) or playing video games to overcome his grandmother's death while the rest of his relatives handle it like adults.

>The book ends on what Bob thinks is a positive note, but what any sane person would consider truly frighting, when he finally moves out of his parents' house at age 31 and goes on to live on his own with his plastic crap, vowing to dedicate himself to living a sad excuse for a life, doing nothing but playing video games until he dies.

There's also a pic of his living room jam packed with fucking nintendo and Mario shit EVERYWHERE.

>>79445902
That shit is gold. It took them a while to realize fighting 4chan is like fighting a retarded never ending bee hive.

>>79442714
Mite b cool but it would fuck up the time line too much

>>79446052
Ah that made me sad. Crazy people are everywhere.

The series should be a set of chess moves between Skynet and humans. Each movie is one set of agents sent through time, one human agent, one Skynet.

So, first movie you get the Terminator and Kyle Reese sent back, maybe they push Judgment Day to five years later or something.

Now Skynet knows that Sarah has five more years to prepare. It tries something different, the T-1000, because it's not really thinking out of the box yet.

After T2, THEN you can get crazy with it. Sarah Connor has a second pregnancy, and she raises this child to be a computer prodigy. His/her job is to make Skynet a benevolent AI instead of a murdermachine.

Or a strategy to make Skynet's architecture dependent on some rare mineral, then destabilize the world's supply of it. Or build a crippling flaw into Skynet.

Meanwhile, Skynet is trying its own things ... maybe it subtly tries to make Sarah Connor into a nihilist who doesn't give a shit if we all die by causing her to have a terrible childhood.

The basic idea is that it's a battle waged across time, where the moves actually change the players and their outlook.

>>79440891
Everything after T2 doesn't count, give it back to Cameron. The only place to go from the ending of t2 is the past and to just expand on the future war story but do it correctly.

>>79442010
4 erased 3, and 5 erased 4 and 3, and they were all shit.

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Have the series be an anthology, half action and horror.

Let it take place in the future and have multiple perspectives. From feeble survivors to Resistance fighters.

I've always wanted to see another scenario like Kyle's nightmare involving different people.

https://youtu.be/96Ahq4NU1E8

There can still be references to John Connor too. Just have him in the background on a radio documenting the Resistance like in Salvation, but never actually see him.

Why didn't the Terminators just go back and kill John's ancestors back when there were no guns?

>>79446156
Link this to the jews asap!

>>79440891
>>79442010
>>79442190
go back in time and prevent it from being created

>>79442981
This feels like a scene from Robocop.

I never watched T3, does it have a lot of satire-like stuff in it?

>>79447813

No it's just completely garbage from beginning to end.

>>79442010
literally this.
If you were given control of the next Terminator, just make it a video which says, "Hello, my name is James Cameron. Nothing after Terminator 2: Judgement Day is canon or is worth your time. The story is finished with 2. You can all go home."

>>79442010
This, even though I don't mind T3 that much as its own thing.

>>79440891
Emily Blunt as Sarah Connor
Sebastian Stan as Kyle Reese
Sharlto Copley as John Connor
Arnold as the Terminator

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEJMDet82Hk

Un-make Terminator 3, Salvation and Genisys and un-cancel The Sarah Connor Chronicles

>>79440891
Let it go. Just let it fucking go. Its had its day.

>>79443103
You are a colossal faggot.
It is generally agreed upon that T2 is the superior film but you think you look smart by looking to the contrary and claiming it's "chock full of cheap family friendly sentimentality" (it isn't) and describing a genuinely heartfelt ending as "the Old Yeller moment" (it's not). Also, Terminator 2 came out a full 8 years BEFORE Iron Giant, so fuck you on that front too.

Get Nick Land to write the franchise.

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Based Jim said last week that he's producing 'Terminator 3' and it will be the end of the franchise. Making it a closed loop trilogy. The Deadpool director guy is directing.

>>79440891
you stop making them

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>>79443304
>I don't know why people are so assmad over it

Gee I wonder

Arnie is a meme and you can't make him scary.

>>79440891
Continue TSCC. Otherwise: >>79442010

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make it real

>>79453666
damn that is intimidating

also satanical trips

>>79440891
Part 3 and 4 are a hair better than Resident Evil.

>>79453666
YOU GOT ME BURNIN'

Once a series is wrecked it's over. T3 was the death of the series. The logic was destroyed by T3, the theme was destroyed by T4, and T5 was just the rape of a bloody corpse. There's nothing that can make it good again.

get away from the fucking Connor family already, and it's time for Arnie to retire his character too

they have an entire universe to play with about killer robots traveling to multiple timelines, you could tell literally any story in any setting, time period or alternate reality and drop a terminator into it

but they're always just chasing after the Connor family while Arnie does one-liners

I kinda liked Genisys. It had some good ideas.

>>79440891
Make The Thing + The Terminator.

>>79443875
instead they gave us the cool MOTO TERMINATORS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLasBsoZBi0

>>79442010
Nailed it

Also, do the same with the Alien Franchise

>>79440891
Make it in another country, with other characters.

>>79443136
It would've retained a B-horror movie feel instead of action-packed franchise. It'd basically be treated like The Hidden. If it gets a sequel, the T-1000 would've been something akin to Sid 6.7 from Virtuosity; a brutal inhuman A.I. that develops sadism from what it does. It wouldn't have as much chases and explosion so much as the creeping paranoia that you can't trust anyone and it's one step away from killing you.

Arnold was riding high from his Conan popularity, but Terminator gave him a chance to be a bad guy and in the sequel, the good guy. Not many actors play the villain AND the hero in a franchise.

>>79440891
You keep T1 and T2 which are canon, plus the good bits from the fanfics.
>TX can control vehicles in T3
>how John got his scars from Salvation
>the multiple timelines from Genisys

As far as advancing the plot, Cameron's new canon Terminator movie could be a soft reboot and go something like this: There's two timelines, the one from T2 where Sarah and John are living a quaint life somewhere off the grid because they're still paranoid, and one where Judgement Day happens but Skynet inevitably loses the war against the human race because John Connor ends up leading the Resistance again. Realizing Connor's the only constant in the time continuum, Skynet from the second timeline assumes human form -another good bit from Genisys- and skips timelines. Skynet, now in the T2 "good ending" timeline, manages to murder the Connors. The movie ends with the reveal that John had a wife and a kid whom Skynet had no information on.

Cue two more Cameron sequels and a proper ending.

>>79442010
Not sure why the thread continued after this post.

>>79442010
this although I really did enjoy salvation for the alt time line. still wish there were lasers. first 15 minutes of genesys was the best machine war depiction in the series.

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>>79440891

>>79443605
>.jpg
>not animation about the feminator checking herself in the mirror

>>79440891
stop trying to add a better terminator to every film.

So instead of the TXYZ1000 prime who is made of nanobots and is actually John Connor from the future, just go with a T800 again. Except this time they send a whole squad of them back. Maybe a couple of T600s as well for the creepy rubber skin vibe.

>>79440891
You can't. No more cold war, no more danger of nuclear holocaust, Google and Apple are worse than any fantasy Skynet. Microsoft and Facebook are watching you in the shower.

>>79440891
Never remake them or try to make another sequel. Shoot every copy of salvation and genesys into the sun.

>>79458804
That's what they did with The Sarah Connor Chronicles.
Problem with that series was, >Terminators became the monster of the week
>from the get-go you knew it was non-canon

>>79459923
Is it worth watching?

>>79458410
3 and Genisys were utter trash. Salvation was mildly enjoyable at times. Had some good ideas on paper but lousy execution.

>entire point was to prevent the war
>war happens anyways

At least make a Terminator movie about the beginning of the war. Maybe erase the nukes from being dropped. Should have been interesting.

>>79442862
God, fucking this. Add some Judge Dredd to the mix, and you're all set. There was already Dredd x Aliens crossover, right?

>>79460542
>Salvation was mildly enjoyable at times. Had some good ideas on paper but lousy execution.
This. The film had a heart, if you don't mind shitty puns.

>>79459022
how long until we can have sexbots like that?

>>79460469
Yes.

Incidentally, a lot of Genisys' plot points (jumping into the future to avoid Terminators, Skynet sending Terminators back to ensure its creation) come from SCC

>>79460943
Too bad SCC became a teenage drama series in the later episodes.

>>79452488
>It is generally agreed upon that T2 is the superior film
Among plebs maybe.

>>79442908
Gregor is big, but he is not a fucking terminator.

>>79461580
>Gregor is big
For you

>>79456841
This post is an excellent post. Virtuosity is under-rated and Russel Crowe's Sid 6.7 was amazing.

>>79442010
Fuck off. T3 was good.

>>79440891
REBOOT