It's just.... good business

cringe line

One of my favourite scenes, the music is great too.

LET NO JOYFUL VOICE BE HEARD-AH

nothin... but banter.

shit movie. kino scene.

>>79435490
*eats pidgeon shit*

I always thought this guy did nothing wrong

>>79435490
>"I would've blacked up because it was radio, nobody would have known"
What? Does this even fit in terms of the timeline, I wouldn't have thought that radio was invented yet?

>>79435687
He really didn't. He simply wanted to purge the sea of crime and run a good buissness

>>79435687
he made jones kill his pet

psshh...nuthin personnel

>>79435793
This applies to the entire British empire. It was a force for good and it's shameful that they get portrayed as bad guys in so many flicks.

>>79435858

>force for good
>fuck up Europe for centuries
>fuck up China, India and Africa
>HURR DURR WHY CANT NIGGERS GET CIVILISED

Yeah about that...

>>79435893
>implying the world wouldnt be better if they got rid of all the pirates and crime
>>79435920
Africa was shit before we got there, a little less shit when we left, and now its full blown shit again except this time they leach off the UN's aid

>>79435614
I honestly think all the POTC movies are good but maybe I'm just a pleb

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>>79435963
>Africa was shit before we got there, a little less shit when we left
gee I wonder why you left out the part when you were there

>>79435972
I agree except 4 is shit

>>79435920
India and China are now two of the most powerful nations on Earth thanks to Brits teaching them how to be a modern civilisation.

>>79435920
>fuck up europe
Do you mean that fighting napoleon and the nazis was bad?

>>79436165
how was fighting napoleon good

>>79435614
the original trilogy is pure piratekino

>>79435920
>fuck up Europe for centuries
kek what

even the windmill jews were kicking our shit in until the end of the 17th century

we were punching back tier up til that point, how exactly did britain mess europe up

>>79436034
And it became relatively civilized?
South africa was doing swell, then nelson mandela ended apartide and it all went to shit.

Rly makes u think hm

>>79435490
what was his tax plan?

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>>79436108
>China
>powerful nation
>thanks to Brits

bit of a gap in your history there

>>79435972
no plebs are the ones who always say only the first movie is good

>>79435858
He was from the East India Company, not the British Empire.

>>79436342
>it became relatively civilized?
>murder and theft is good when a state is doing it

>>79436514
Give some examples of this murder and theft, please?

>>79435858
>british empire
>force for good
There is not a single country on earth that has started or escalated more wars purely for power or monetary profit than Britain
For hundreds of years once the brits got on top they fought any war, no matter how irrelevant the situation was to them or how just their side was, purely to maintain the balance of power with themselves at the helm

>>79436577
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Kenya

>>79435858
>force for good
>Hey China... buy my opium or else

>>79435490
Strangely kino scene in a crappy flick. Pirates 1 was the only actual good one others are only enjoyable because of Depp.

the movies are fun, but this scene is actually a work of art

>>79436627
Ironically part of what made the rest of them so shit was making everything revolve around Depp.

>>79435963
>Making a business out of their pre-existing slave system.
Africa got gutted and fucked anon

>>79436627
>kino scene
>work of art
for you

>>79436627
Fucking pleb

>>79435963
European nations are responsible for a lot of political unrest and instability in Africa because of the drawing of borders without considering the de facto nations already present in the native populations. It would be like if Africans went to Europe and changed all the borders based on how they decided to split it up among themselves. Not to mention general mistreatment and exploitation of natives there

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>>79436514
Compared to what it was yes absolutely
Murder and theft skyrocketed after apartide was abolished

>>79436730
Youre making it sound like mistreating people who literally ate other people is a bad thing and that they deserve the same respect a normal human being does

>>79436895
>changing the subject
not falling for boyo

>>79436269
You can't call it the original trilogy when there's only one trilogy you fucking mong

>>79436974
yes mistreating people is bad per the definition of the word

>>79435920
Africa was always fucked, the Europeans tried un-fucking it, but it didn't work because the natives are savages.

>>79437072
>the Europeans tried un-fucking it

>>79436342
>>79437072
Where did you idiots learn your history.

>>79437005
What

>>79437148
If you think africa wasn't always a chaotic continent where rival tribes committed reciprocal genocide on a constant basis you are delusional.

>>79437148
I get my info from facebook. Africa was full of peaceful kings before evil whitey came

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>>79437072
>He thinks Europeans wanted to improve Africa

>>79437240
>you can't criticize anything without idolizing what came before

>>79437216
Where the fuck did I say Africa wasn't always a shithole? Europeans didn't try to unfuck it for some just cause. It was for good business. Let's not pretend it was for anything else, and let's not pretend the drawing of borders and shoving God down their throat was anything good. It was placing a different epistemology in front of them when they were living their life the way they wanted to. Same logic for why those idiots in the 20th century gave them so much money and food. Leave that fucking shithole the fuck alone.

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>>79436411
>Mao Zedong
>the reason why China is a powerful nation

bit of a gap in your history there

>all these posters drinking the imperialism koolaid

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>>79437375
DUDE FIGHT IMPERIALISM LMAO

>>79437072
>Europeans tried un-fucking it
out of the goodnes in their hearts and humanist spirit I bet

>>79437216
Because europeans never fought amongst each other, right?

>>79437417
Yeah but our wars were CIVILIZED

>>79435920
>>fuck up Europe for centuries

Come on the Dutch and the Spanish and the Belgians all got up to just as much shit.

>>79437409
Stalin and him were really handsome

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>>79435490
First movie is monkino

>>79437301
>Ghana
>South Africa
>Rhodesia
>Kenya
>Nigeria
>Botswana

were all the best parts of Black Africa thanks to the amazing Anglo

>>79435490
let the African desk handle it.
AND FUCK THE AMERICANS!

>>79437536
No homo

>>79435858
>perfidious Albion war profiteers internet defense force

>>79437332
If you read the works of Kipling, Rhodes and C.S. Lewis, all staunch imperialists, they firmly believed that he world would be a better place if they ruled it. Not justifying it. But their end goals weren't purely capital based.

>>79437347
no deng without mao

>>79436165
england always incites war on the continent when one country gets too strong.
Spain, France, Germany, always sowing discord.
Divide et impera.

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>>79437409
they did though

>>79437625
Of course they did believed that. God was on their side. God also needs money to keep the churches up. I'm not calling you a liar or anything, but you can't run a religion without taxing the believers.

>>79437417
You're right. The history of Europe is a history of war. But our war required cooperation on the scale of millions of people, they required evolution of arms and armour, tax systems, courts, laws, government up-kept infrastructure.
War in pre-colonial africa didn't lead to these large military empires that eventually evolved into peaceful, wealthy nations like it did in europe.

>>79437625
Well, of course. If you only care about the well being and prosperity of those at the upper stratum, a system designed to benefit them at the expense of the lower classes is going to seem like an ideal world

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>>79437625
you need to learn the distinction between the base and superstructure. what kipling, rhodes and lewis thought and wrote about imperialism are of no consequence to the emergence of imperialism. their views did not create imperialism, economic forces did that. they merely provided justifications after the fact.

>>79437799
Right, but it was what they wanted to do. Leave 'em be. Too late to say that now, of course.

>>79436269

1 & 2 are great, 3 is absolute shit

Pirates of the Carribean, Spider-Man, The Matrix

any more trilogies where this applies to?

>>79437799
iirc less than a century ago the europeans were still going pretty hard at each other

>>79437683
>fought imperialism
>by invading other countries and turning the Soviet Union into a empire
bravo commies

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>>79437977
>liberating eastern europe from fascist occupation
>imperialism

made me think

>>79437977
>saving people from fascism and capitalism
>imperialism
sure thing soros

>>79437799
Easy to become wealthy and powerful when you've looted three continents and there isn't an outside force meddling in your regional politics

>>79438018
The European powers liberated non-whites from ignorance and savagery.
A much more noble cause.

>>79435858
That is in no way true

The British Empire was just an empire. Not good, not bad, just selfish -- better than many, certainly; better than the Romans and the Spanish and a hell of a lot better than the Mongols (although people still look up to them, because they basically did what Beckett wanted to do but with everything and with horrific success). But still an empire, still conquerors, still extortionate and exploitative -- as you'd expect from any state, especially in that time period. Not a force for good by any metric.

>b-bu-but muh suttree!
Yeah they stopped people from burning other people alive, but they also killed a bunch of people.

And that's without mentioning the frankly panty-wettingly impressive perfidition they displayed with all their geopolitically genius wars.

>>79438163
>burn over 800 hundred years of recorded history
>loot and destroy one of the largest cities at the time
>execute a guy by ripping him appart with horses
10/10 would be civilized by again

>>79438163
capitalism is savagery

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>>79438163
the russian communists preserved eastern europe from generalplan ost, a plan which necessitated the extermination of the majority of the population with a minority kept as slaves.

>>79438208
>perfidition

I can't find a definition for this, do you mean perdition?

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>>79438018
>communists
>liberating anything
Yeah it was sure great to liberate those people from a tyrannical police state by installing an even more brutal police state.

>>79438311
no

>>79438100
Sub-saharan africa was meddle free for far longer than europe was.
The romans were brutal, ran a slave economy, had little to no regard for non-roman life, and considered non-romans as morally and intellectually inferior. Thanks to roman intervention Europe became the most prosperous region on earth. Without colonialism africa would have stayed a wasteland of family tribalism potentially for ever.

>>79438035
>>79438262
t. posting from computer made by an evil capitalist company in a capitalist nation

>>79438370
yes?

>>79437409
>Implying communism isn't imperialistic by definition

>>79435963
>>79437072
>Benin
>Mali
>Ethiopia
>Nubia (Kangz of Egypt btw)
>Orobindo
>Dahomey (okay they were violent af but they were also African Sparta)
>Those Mutapa faggots in South Africa
no
>>79438311
It means I was too lazy to realise it was perfidy.

>>79438428
post definition

>>79438370
Chinks are nominally communist

>>79438440
>It means I was too lazy to realise it was perfidy.
Ahh, thanks.

>>79438428
>>79438462
don't remember how it went but wasn't the end goal of communism the abolition of the state?

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>>79438336
>even more brutal

the fascist scheme for eastern europe was to exterminate most of the population and keep the surviving population as slaves. the soviet plan for eastern europe was to spread industry and education, in which they were remarkably successful, so much so that "communist nostalgia" is a common phenomenon in now capitalist eastern european countries.

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>>79438511
Yes.

Although "goal" is a stretch when it comes to communism, which is meant to describe a mindless process rather than anything with goals (like evolution), but then again tonnes of communists including Marx himself pretty much trampled all over that.

>>79438366
>Without colonialism africa would have stayed a wasteland of family tribalism potentially for ever.

Is that bad? The majority of it still sucks really fucking bad over there. Fuck them. Do you honestly care about educating the savage?

>>79438512
Yeah but so is Nazi nostalgia

And Tsarist nostalgia

And Mongol nostalgia

People easily get nostalgic

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>>79438512
>he thinks the commies weren't using everybody as slave labor
>he thinks the soviets wanted to have an educated populace outside of their scientists

>>79438583
the fact remains that the fascists planned and failed to implement a program of extermination while the communists planned and implemented a program of industrialization and education.

Also my dad was in the same choir group as this guy. Apparently he was alright.

Sam Mendes was a prick tho
>>79438602
Communists weren't different to the US. They just had a more oppressive government.
>>79438635
As well as extermination, yes.

>>79438561
>care about educating the savag
nobody ever did, the only thing the european powers wanted of africa were its resources. The only reason the natives weren't thoroughly genocided was because of how costly it would've been and that they were useful as a disposable workforce

>>79435893
>try

>>79435490
Shit movie

Kino scene!

>>79435858
I always wonder how better the world would be if america never went independent.

>>79438657
Explain why only Leopold went full Heart of Darkness then.

>>79438657
I know that. I just wanted that anon to answer my questions.

>>79438635
Yeah those tens of millions that died under Mao's regime totally died for a good cause even though his Great Leap Forward and Cultural Revolution nearly destroyed the fucking country.

>>79436895
I agree with you but learn how to spell apartheid

>>79438462
Proletariat uprising all over, in fact Lenin hoped that the workers in other European countries followed Russia's example.

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>>79438602
the soviet union provided public education to the citizenry - a population of peasants who had never before had the opportunity of an education. this is simply a fact. you are correct that they also invested in sciences, a move which allowed them to make history by launching the first human in space.

>>79438646
>As well as extermination, yes.

this is a fabrication. the soviet union never planned or executed an ethnic genocide.

>>79438778
how is that imperialist

>>79438778
What does that have to do with communism?

You're not seriously telling me that the obscure Russian sect called Bolshevism is the entirety of Communism, are you?
>>79438789
Did I say "ethnic"?

Also, while the USSR did greatly expand education, this was something the Tsarist regime had been (by turns enthusiastically and begrudgingly) looking into themselves. It's conducive to good business, see.

>>79438802
>How is an ideology that wants to take over the world imperialistic

>>79438848
Yes, how is it?

Imperialism relies on a nation you dongle. Can't be imperialistic if your plan is destroy all nations.

>>79438721
i was discussing soviet policy in eastern europe, not mao's china. the leap forward was a failure, but it was the communist party which recognized that and pursued a different path. china is an industrial juggernaut as a result and owns most US debt.

>>79438845
the tsarist regime planned half-measures in an attempt to quell the righteous fury of the masses. it did not work.

>>79438866
China is an industrial juggernaut more as a result of its vast natural resources and adoption of capitalism.

I thought communism was meant to be about ownership of the means of production, not the simple capital -- good? Or was that a socdem lie?
>>79438901
No, bitch, the Tsarist regime was rarely smart enough for that (Stolypin tried though). They expanded education because they needed skilled labourers and a middle class.

>>79438865
>>79438845
>Communist countries expand their ideology and convert others, taking over vast regions
>inb4 any and all communist regimes were not really communist

>>79438958
>here lemme just ignore your post
Most Communist regimes were all Bolshevik. There's this strange misconception that Communism has been repeatedly tried in various forms -- it hasn't, but Bolshevism has been used (and very successfully...in that people have managed to seize and hold power by using Bolshevism).

Seeing as Bolshevism is and always has been rejected by mainstream Marxist thought, it's a bit stupid to critique Marxism based on Bolshevism's ideology and actions.

And most Marxists do not support any country as you or I would know it. Hence, it cannot be imperialist, although it can be aggressive or whatever.

>>79438928
communism is a classless, stateless society which follows socialism. china is therefore not communist by definition. i was discussing the policies implemented by the communist party, but the communist party does not preside over a communist society. like all communist parties they seek to achieve it.

>>79439038
Ah, they are accelerationists. Smart of them to encourage communism by aggressively moving everything to a giant soul-sucking society of capitalism. I see they have been playing 4d chess while I've been stuck with snakes and ladders.

>>79438958
Transmitting an ideology to another country is not quite the same as annexing and controlling it

>>79438789
Meanwhile, the Americans sent people to space and provided education WHILE at the same time maintaining good standards of living and freedom.

>>79438440
Yes, those places were all shitholes. What's your point?

>>79439637
Given the Dutch compared the capital of Benin to Haarlem, I guess Europe was also a shithole. Right?

>>79435920
the british empire was one of the best things to happen to the world, i say that as a burger

>>79439753
>i say that as a burger
Figures.

>>79439770
you wouldnt be typing on that comp if it wasnt for the british you fag

>>79439868
Well yeah. I'm British.

>>79437943
Godfather III, Alien 3