The Young Pope

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Is Gutierrez a good character?

>who got inspired to go to church
Nigga, i got inspired to be a saint!

>>79383355
was it implied that he also molested children?

>>79383355
most pure

>Show's quality is so high there is nothing to meme about and the viewing audience isn't retarded so bait isn't feasible
> thus any threads about it die quite quickly

classic /tv/

>>79383450
No... all will be revealed about Gutierrez tommorrow. He was molested as a child.

>>79383450
That he was molested as well.

>>79383516
Most threads on /tv/ are waifu threads. Makes me want to ree.


Honestly this series is gonna BTFO aot of critics who judged it early. The american attention span can't comprehend an actual series that spreads its story throughout with each episode flowing into the next. Sorrentino is GOAT

>>79383185
>Latest
Welcome to 4 months ago.

>>79383603
Well for most burgers its new.
>>79383576
To add i really hate the Trump to Lenny comparisons. Its pretty asinine.

that guy's english sucks a lot I don't know how JL kept a straight face

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Why didn't Lenny pray his brother back to life?
Why didn't Spencer pray his brother back to life?
Why didn't pray his parents back into his life?

>>79383725
>not watching the season finale
Nuff said

>>79383651
It didn't sound that bad... kind of a mix of new yorker with hints of northeast

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>>79383516
We got most of the good discussion out of the way before it arrived on American tv

>>79383936
Kek... when Voiello starts crying about Maradona

Bamp

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>>79383185
that whole episode was wonderful. had me on edge the whole time and I finally cried like a bitch at the end

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>>79384465
Save your tears for tommorrow... this show is pure emotional kino....


We need more tasty beats: https://youtu.be/2HC_7EKPYXQ

I've never been to Church but as retarded as it sounds this show actually got me interested. I'm not sure if I've ever been as emotionally impacted by a series before.

>>79384660
Just check out your local catholic church... if anything bro ask any questions on pol's catholic general. Just search the catalog there! There is one ongoing now

>>79384660
Enjoy >>>/pol/112405273

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>This show went so far over Burgers heads that they compare it to Trump and House of Cards

I guess it's official then. The US are culturally and intellectually dead.

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>>79383516
Honestly I stay out of these threads because a lot of anons have already seen the whole season and I don't want spoilers.

>>79384562
wait, you mean that the serie did not end with the venice speech and that there are more episodes? Fuck me, I'm running home to watch them

>>79385036
Most US film critics are jews, so the Catholic Church is just this organization they vaguely resent and don't care to understand. Viewers are loving this and Catholics love it on another level.

>>79385036
I hated House of Cards. It had no heart. The Young Pope feels like it's dealong with broader themes than "lol power dude."

>>79385036
The HBO promos keep painting this show like a super serious thriller it's confusing.

He's just a poor little pope who wanted his parents to love him.

The dream of the Popes was pure cinema.

>>79385036
WATH IT VOIELLO

>>79383725
He's the Pope, not a witchdoctor.

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>>79385310
It'd be nice to know who all the popes there were. This was the only one I recognized on sight (probably Lenny's least favorite).

>>79385084
Well it got renewed and should shoot over the summer... we hype now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2Yl0ALK3-4

>>79385374
JP2 was there too.

>banal platitude

On another note, was that FEMEN scene a dream or reality?

>>79385374
I'm pretty sure St Peter was the one that stood separate from the rest.

>>79383185
Pretty boring, dropped it after the first episode desu~

I didn't like the ending. The show felt like it was building up to something interesting and then the last episode blew it. Otherwise great show, though.

>>79385444
t. pleb

>>79385444
Trips of lies. Ameriburger attention span on full display.
>>79385374
Pope Pius the XXII was the one playing piano... or was it JP1

>le atheist pope that doesn't believe in god and is always 6 steps ahead of everyone else

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>>79385405
I did catch someone that looked like him but it only was a vague likeness, so I wasn't sure.
>>79385418
Would definitely be appropriate and I had the same thought at first, but when I saw those crosses on his robe I kind of discounted it.

Looking into this a little now, I think the one on the speaker's right was Leo XIII.

>>79385475
I think it was supposed to end like that, with an ambigous ending of Lenny realizing god was real and his parents weren't just a dream. However the open endedness is a good setup for S2. So who knows, but I believe it has a fuck ton of potential especially with more juicy beats

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>>79385504
>what is a crisis of faith
Enjoy never scratching past the surface.

>>79385504
>every catholic has had a crisis of faith even the clergy.
>>79385511
St. peter was there too, white robes with sideways crosses

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCR1MQhwswM

This show is really good at making normies upset.

>>79385513
>>79385475

So it's already been confirmed for a second season from the sounds of it, do you guys think that essentially means Pius must still be alive or is it possible theres gonna be a new Pope

>>79385582
He probably lives but is dying. Imo, he becomes a living saint and has to deal with its burden. We pretty hype. As a catholic im pretty surprised to see a show that actually can explain the Church and its pros and cons without and libfag biases.

Except Ben Shapiro, fuck that kike

>that's the door
>the only way in
>small and extremely uncomfortable

>>79385561
Every normie I've recommended this to after explaining the gist of it has recoiled. They're totally allergic to it. I may be a robot but I have a soul.

>>79383625
>To add i really hate the Trump to Lenny comparisons. Its pretty asinine.
I was picking up those vibes in the first episode (brash, vain), but the character quickly changed.

>>79385646
Tell them le pope trump meme. They'll watch it and then get redpilled on it. Seriously, a couple normie friends of mine started going to church cause of this.

>>79385641
Isn't that true about religion, specifically catholicism?

>>79385616

I hope it he stays, Jude Law really killed it IMO. And yeah as someone with only a broad interest in religion this show kind of inspired me to explore Catholicism in a more serious way.

is this show on HBO Go yet? or do I have to get it from somewhere else.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6NnXF-L9c0

Find me a more kino scene from 2016.

>when you say you studied at Harvard but the Pope is not impressed

>>79383185
>Who actually got inspired to go to Church?
Protestant here, yeah it raises my interest again with religion. But to be quite honest, i mainly watched it for the aesthetics and Jude Law.

>Has the latest episode brought you to tears?
Episode 9 is perfect 10/10

That said, i can see why this might not appealing to most peoples, due to the focus on Catholicism, the pro-conservative undertone in the surface, and the slow pacing of the story.

>>79385729
Its there. Been there for months. If you're a brit, italian, or frenchie their up fully for y'all

>>79385740
Sister Surree a CUTE.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scLWcF2I7V8

He's a saint.

>>79385750
The slow pacing is a turnoff for people who watch House of Cards and GoT, but then again that isn't the target demographic for the show.

I still find it astounding that HBO and co greenlit this project. Its phenomenal
>>79385714
You're always welcome to
>>>/pol/112405273

>>79383516
>>79385036
Honestly at this point in time in our culture it's a mark of true greatness to be received poorly. The shows that will be remembered as the best of this decade (i.e. Young Pope and The Knick) got little to no hype and regurgitated think pieces, and this board's ignorance and lack of attention to them has become the most reliable indication if a show has genuinely high quality.

>>79385740

What's in a Papal snack?

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What do you think happened to talking goat man?

>>79385879
They threw him in quicksand.

>>79385841
Giggles and bread
>>79385879
Alask'd or Monastar'd
>>79385835
The Knick was pure fucking kino. Love that show too, especially that twist with ambulance man and the nun

>>79385036
>read Italian review when TYP aired
>"sensationalized characters for an american audience"
>read american review
>trump, HoC

christ. The whole world is retarded

>>79385926
When shows like Girls wins awards you know everything is shit

>>79385405
>was that FEMEN scene a dream or reality?
Real I think, I also figure they're the ones that killed the kangaroo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6LPvSC0KIk

I cried like a bitch. The way he dismisses the miracle. How humble he is about it.

>>79386140
The humble part is what I love. He doesn't even like talking about it, unlike that sheep farmer

>>79385511
>>79385543
I don't remember, which episode is it?

>>79383185
I cried at the end, reminded me of first love

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXi4WK6KJsA

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>>79386325
https://youtu.be/HV4gqvWGELE
>>79386414
Lost love....... Love hurts

>>79386461
thank you friend

>>79386461
yeah, lost love is more accurate....ah

>>79386129
Was the kangaroo shot or stabbed? I couldn't see

WHAT HAVE WE FORGOTTEN?

>>79386568
Are we sinners or are we saints?
Are we kings or servants?

Blessed Juana...

SMILE

>>79383185
I'm in Europe and the whole show has already aired. You can download it on torrents.

He dies in the end.

>>79386795
>Season 2 in the works

>>79386907
>implying he will not resurrect himself

>>79386129
>>79386538
I think it was Spencer, notice the rifles in his house/living room.

>>79387186
Spencer later dies of cancer. Did he redeem himself on his deathbed?

Was Dussolier a degenerate?

>>79387296
how is that relevant to the kangaroo situation?...

>degenerate ginger
yes

TO NOT FORGET

>http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2017/01/the-young-pope-hbo-review

HBO’s Vatican drama is darker and harsher than the memes would have you believe.

But . . . I don’t know. I’m having trouble reveling in it right now. The show’s accidental similarities to real-life events—Lenny was elected Pope in a stunning upset that confounded the Vatican establishment’s assumption that a more familiar veteran would win—are so keenly felt in the first half of the season that it makes for difficult viewing. I don’t really want to watch this amoral, perhaps insane autocrat exert his ordained might, upending an age-old institution while others fearfully scramble—disbelieving and caught entirely off guard—to save what they can. Sorry, that’s just not the kind of Sunday night I want to have right now. I’m sure those with stronger stomachs—or, indeed, different political sensibilities—will find something exciting or trenchant in The Young Pope’s political annihilation. But, for me, it’s no fun.
[...]
The main Italian in the cast is Silvio Orlando as a beleaguered, mole-flecked cardinal tasked with advising this cocky young Pope, and thwarted at nearly every turn. Cardinal Voiello is horrified by the new Pope’s flouting of tradition, his refusal to submit himself to observance of common courtesies and ethics. (Ugh.) Voiello plays the role of dutiful vizier when in the presence Pope Pius, though we know—and Lenny knows—that he’s much craftier and more resourceful than he lets on. A potentially satisfying bit of intrigue is developing there, but for my sanity’s sake, Voiello better be able to topple this frightening, power-mad narcissist.If not, all of Sorrentino’s style and quirky Euro humor will have been in the service of something rather cruel and redundant. We’ve already got a real authoritarian fox (Trump) in the henhouse to worry about. Lord help us, we don’t need another one on TV—blessed though he may be.

>>79383185
I finished this series and I'm mad it'll be ages till season 2. I'm also worried it will ruin season 1 retrospectively for me or just outright be worse

>>79386620
Made me want to believe again

Do you guys think he's the anti-christ, the second coming or just another saint?

>>79385036

Not only the US but yes, the US is the most fucked of them all because of the retarded politics

>>79385036
>>79389904
there's a reason it's called The Great Satan in some countries

>>79389765
I think you should fuck off little faggot

>>79387771
>this guy is a "top critic" on rotten tomatoes

Just burn this industry down already

>>79387771
its almost as if this dickhead didnt even notice the character arc and watched only the first 3 episodes.

>>79389765
literally the anti-christ
the first episode was clear about it

>>79389904
It's the same everywhere actually, retards fed from social media are authorized to write articles in newspapers. Not so long ago they would have been laughed at and gently asked to get the fuck out the second they try to make an analogy between a complex political event and game of thrones or whatever flavour of the month pop culture shit that cross their mind.

>>79387771

What's the point of this kind of reviews? He only cares for "likeability" of the characters, which tells you nothing about the quality of the show.

>(Ugh.)

America get your shit together right now

>>79383185

I was on the verge of crying several times watching this show. It's got the Awe most of the other shows are missing. Seems like the presence of supernatural being and the gears of faith work quite well with the general audience. The sense of purpose and destiny. Its really great.

>>79390381
for years these libcucks have been told to start acting like yuropoors. you don't get to absolve yourself of this shit. they are a simply a reflection of what they see you as

>>79389765
He was just a young Pope, nothing more

>>79390438
No they're not lmao. This effeminate, valley girl uptalking shitlib culture is 100% product of the US of A. Blame the poisonous cultures on the coasts not Europe

>>79390438

Somebody writing that review in my country would be laughed out of the room, fired on the spot and the review would never be published.

lads, I'm afraid S2 is gonna be shit

>>79391011
have faith in Sorrentkino, he's italian
americans merely adopted beauty; italians were born in it, moulded by it

>>79385036
I dont understand the house of cards comparison as he starts off as pope, and he didnt claw and scheme his way into power, also he never once looked into the camera and made a funny face or spewed out some reddit-tier observation

>>79383185
>be American
>get fat

>>79383185
My mom cried. She wanted to watch it with me but after the first episode she breezed through the rest and I only have time to visit on weekends.
Does it get consistently better or at least stays consistent?
For some reason, despite finding the first episode interesting enough, I have trouble convincing myself to keep watching.

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>>79387771
>Sorry, that’s just not the kind of Sunday night I want to have right now. I’m sure those with stronger stomachs—or, indeed, different political sensibilities—will find something exciting or trenchant in The Young Pope’s political annihilation. But, for me, it’s no fun

WTF is this, how can someone be so unfazed about his own ignorance?

>>79383185
which monastic order do the qt nuns in white belong to? They look like prinesses

>>79385385
Not sure what the new season is gonna be about, the first one had a perfect ending. Not like i'm not hyped though

>>79393383
It only gets better. It has no big hook or cliffhanger to force you to keep watching; it's not a thriller.

>>79387771
>Sorry, that’s just not the kind of Sunday night I want to have right now. I’m sure those with stronger stomachs—or, indeed, different political sensibilities—will find something exciting or trenchant in The Young Pope’s political annihilation. But, for me, it’s no fun.

then stick to reviewing capeshit you mouth breething retard

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>A number of things might have been interesting in a show based on the idea of intrigues in the Vatican leading to a strange new Pope.
It had an opportunity to explore the institutions and cultures involved, the ideas, any number of things that HBO does exceedingly well in its highest achievements. But it doesn't really do any of that.

Instead, we get an interminable, frustrating character study of what is possibly the most punchable main character ever written for a TV series. And I say punchable very deliberately, because my overarching emotion through hours of programming was a deep desire for any other character to just up and punch the guy.

Jude Law's "Pope Pius XIII" is not an antihero. He's not a fascinating villain either. He is best word I can come up with for this a cunt. Just an absolute cunt. Thoroughly unlikable, thoroughly full of shit, completely up his own ass, lacking in any meaningful or interesting ideas, whiny and unsympathetic, just awful. And the show is hours and hours of that awful.

Why did I continue watching such a show? Because despite this agony, there's a lot of beautiful camerawork and great acting, and a vain hope that it all would go somewhere (which we can charitably hope is a metaphor for religion)

Nobody does anything. It's like a giant chick flick written by a medieval Byzantine eunuch. Everyone just talks in circles, treats each other poorly and then whines about their own guilt. The intrigues aren't actually intriguing or exciting in any way. It's the exact opposite of Canal+ extraordinarily visceral "Borgia: Faith and Fear."

A handful of scenes with James Cromwell as a pissed-off runner-up to the Papacy and betrayed mentor to the new Pope are one of the few genuinely interesting moments. A certain tshirt worn by Diane Keaton's nun character a handful of times as an understated joke is more interesting than 95% of the rest of the show. The rest is gloomy in a way that's not the least bit emotionally engaging, just swampy.

>>79394026
I thought benedictine or dominican. Its probably dominican tho

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>>79393861
>you have came

Another reddit pleb filtered out by this Kino

>>79394377
https://youtu.be/Lux49tqeOlE

>pleb the post

>>79387771
This is insanely retarded.

>I don't like this
>why isn't something violent and ugly happening
>what are these multi-dimensional characters? where are my good guys and bad guys?

>>79389765
I think the show skirted the line as to whether he's a "saint" or a guy who's a bit crazy and egotistical.

My only hope is that in season 2 they don't dumb everything down into black-and-white concreteness for Americans' sake.

>>79383651
>that guy's
What guy?

>>79383355
Lenny is the saint, Gutierrez is the apostle

>>79387771
This is why critics are becoming more and more irrelevant.

>>79387771
Fuck me I can't wait until 2019 when we can all go "Meh. Trump had a decent economy. He's kind of a moron. Oh well, we killed ISIS though. Next year we bring in Latino Guy. Lets not talk about Trump. OK Sounds good ;)"

This timeline is retarded.

>>79393383
It gets better every episode. Episode 9 was absolutely fantastic and by far the best one yet.

>>79391640
He winks at the camera in the opening of episode 3

>>79383516
there were daily threads on the series when it was first released

>>79383185
>play first clip
>shitty music starts playing
>cut to some guy looking longingly out into the ocean

I couldn't close it fast enough

>>79385740
is he asian or does he just have droopy eyes?

Literally one of the best tv shows of all time.
Please quote negative reviews for hilarity.

Have the Americans seen episode 9 yet?

>>79399154
what did you expect watching a scene like that out of context? you sound like an idiot

>>79399432
I don't need context to know that playing sad music while the camera pans across the cast is a trope that has been run into the ground since Lost

At what episode are the muricans at?

>>79390113
Afaik the critics only had access to the first 5 episodes. Can't wait for them to be BTFO when the season ends and they can see the progression of Lenny as a whole.

>>79399519
>losing out on a great show by playing the though guy on teevee

Your loss

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>>79399583
Your a though guy!

>>79399519
>I don't need the context of the scene to fairly criticize the scene
alright buddy

I tried looking at some Youtube reviews of the show and keep going on about how evil Lenny is for opposing gays. This is one of the reasons I hate millennials so much, you can do or say pretty much whatever you want, but if you criticize gays that's crossing a line. The first grievance they'll have about any conservative is that they oppose gays in some way because that's what is most important to them. Gays are the natural aristocrats. You have to pay obeisance or risk being exiled.

>>79385729
I'm an atheist and I loved it.

The road restaurant scene in episode 10 gave me chills. Gutierrez giving Lenny a little scope and then asking him to turn around.

its hard to put my finger on what makes this show so great

what is it bros? i just feel like the whole thing is brilliant

>>79399784
Call me a pleb, but for me it's mostly the aesthetic of the show.

It just looks fucking great

>>79399716
it mystifies me why some people think catholicism should "modernise". there are half a hundred different liberal, reformed christian denominations. the catholic church should just be what it is and always has been. im not a christian myself but if people want a conservative christian church then i have no problem with that in the slightest. and i dont see what the catholic church has to gain in the long run from trying to appeal to a subsection of the population who will always be implacably opposed to them no matter how "liberal" they become

>>79385879
Something unexpected.
I'll say he's in seminary.

inb4 there's a crusade in s2 and it's a spectacular failure

>>79384793
It's the one thread on /pol/ worth going to

>>79386461
The scene that really got me was when the woman grabbed the oranges and juggled for her kids.

>>79383185
The speech in Africa was one of my favourite scenes

>remember what st. augustine said
>if you want to see god you have the means available
>tfw it actually is a paraphrase of what st. augustine actually said on one of his sermons

The show actually is top kino

>>79399838
Dear God, this. The Church as been around for 2000 years ffs, it's survived a lot worse shit than a bunch of liberals that don't even believe in God throwing a tantrum. So the Church should do as the YP said in his speech, stay true to God, whether it is popular or not.

>>79399121
wow daily threads?

There is probably 6 or 7 starwars/capeshit/manchildren shit/disney shit threads up right now.

All manchildren shit should be confined to one general.

>>79402958
Yeah there was a period towards the end of January where we had about a week of 300 post threads, just as it was about to start in the states and after the yuros had seen the whole thing.

>>79383185
>Who actually got inspired to go to Church?
not the creator of the show, since he's an atheist

>>79383516
everyone watched the whole season on torrents 2 months ago. there were tons of threads then

>>79385489
what's with the european obsession with americans? americans don't give a fuck about you guys, yet I'm constantly seeing yurops reach for excuses to shit on the us

what an awful fucking fanbase this show has picked up, poltards, christfags and europoors. just an absolutely toxic swamp of insecure whining retards trying to shame each other and validate their own whack job hang ups. thank god the threads 4 months ago when the show first came out werent completely poisoned by autism yet, there were some actually discussions.

>>79385489
John Paul I didn't wear the tiara, Paul VI was the last to wear it

>>79399784
>>79399823
>not posting the real reason

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgTF_fNuzXQ

>>79399823
direction, actors, sets and cinematography. the writing is actually the weakest part but everything else bolsters it

>>79402861
are you 12? the Catholic Church has been liberalizing since it's inception, that's simply a requirement of staying in the good graces of the people. if your values are out of sync with society you lose support.

>>79393861
Why is the American standing in front of the tiny Latino? What did based Paulo mean by this?

>>79403228
>whaaa people believe different things than I do whaaaa

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>>79385835
Agreed.

>>79403730
how'd you get that from his post?

How is there not any snack time video on Youtube?

>>79390775
>>79390438
The progressive far-left is a produce of the shitty American education system (ie: cheap degrees in loony fields).

>>79404042
>far-left

You don't even know what this means

>>79403228
>Show about a conservative pope attracts Catholics, rightists and Europeans
Surely you b8

>>79404086

It's not exactly some obscure terminology

>>79385740
imagine if he hits the button and a hole opens up and the gay guy falls
ahahha

>>79404211
hahaha

>>79404211
that would really be funny hehehe

>>79404170
kill yourself reddit

>>79383185

Honestly I'm liking it less as it goes on

I was drawn in for hardass reactionary pope putting fuckers in their place, but it's kinda drizzled out at this point and if it don't come back to that I'll probably drop it

>>79406891
Your mind is weak

>>79399716
what's wrong with the gays

>>79406932

Your taste is shit.

>>79406891
leave you fucking reddit queer

>>79406955
No one wants you faggots around. Fuck off.

>>79406955
In the eyes of the Church, sex is for procreation only. Gay sex is hedonistic indulgence.

>>79406987
>m-m-muh reddit

Fuck off you pretentious newfag

>>79407165
eat shit faggot, i've been posting here since 2009

Time for your snack, Holy Father!

>Comes out last year
>/tv/ already had a discussion about
>Comes out in USA
>Second wave of discussion as if the first had not happened
it is save to assume that anyone who is a /tv/ regular wanted to watch this did so last year.
So are majority of people here from other boards or what?

>>79407231
sure you have bud

now back to r*ddit with you

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>>79407651
First wave of discussion was also better.

Hmm.

>>79407651
They're from reddit mostly

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*blocks your path*

>>79407660
You're calling me new when you weren't even here to discuss the show the first time around. Why the fuck do you come here reddit?

>>79407231
>i've been posting here since 2009

Exactly.

>>79385543
As a Catholic, I can promise you that we've all had the crisis of faith. All of us.

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>>79407761
VOIELLO
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>The Young Pope uses a white girl's "cover" of Halo instead of queen bey's original version
>Adele literally steals beyonce's grammy
STOP MARGINALIZING WOMEN OF COLOR, AAAAAARGH!

>>79407761
When did you first realize Voiello was actually a little cutie-pie?

It's so perfect I almost wish they weren't doing a second season. I feel like it can only go downhill

>>79383185
I'm only through the first 4 eps but is this show about Donald Trump's white house transition?

>going back on homos

trash

>>79411186
i thought it was more about putting gays in the same category as pedos.

Which Gutierrez had a point in.

did he died

>>79411186
he didn't go back. he specifically said he wasn't compromising. he appointed Gutierrez because he knows he is of good heart and a man of God.

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Didn't really like that pulling away shot to show the Earth in the end felt kinda cheesy but other than that this was easily the most beautifully shot show I've ever seen.

>season 2 never

>>79411757
>he didn't go back

>i want all the homos out
>well no not you you're ok

Yeah, totally didn't go back on giving the fags the boot.

>>79411314

Though the two do tend to intersect, it's not a matter of which is worse is it? They're both morally degenerate.

The Young Pope is fucking amazing. Lenny is literally the Chosen One, but the bullshit of the world has turned him into a borderline autist.

He's trying to find a way to bring his light into the world, but the world makes it so hard that he doubts his own faith at times. The world resists him, though they need his light now more than ever.

>>79411985
you're right but they are two totally different acts.

One is just acting outside of hetereosexual activity, the other is violently raping children and scarring them for life.

After dealing with Kurtwell and considering his own past, Gutierrez had a point, they're both actions deemed degenerate by the church but they're not equivalent to the same category.

I think he took offence to the Pope making a false equivalency between the two.

>>79411989
>The Young Pope is fucking amazing. Lenny is literally the Chosen One, but the bullshit of the world has turned him into a borderline autist.
>He's trying to find a way to bring his light into the world, but the world makes it so hard that he doubts his own faith at times. The world resists him, though they need his light now more than ever.
this senpai

>>79409841
kys faggot

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>>79383185
>Can it be mentioned in the same breath as the Sopranos or the Wire?
Those shows are pleb shit.

WHY IS THIS SHOW SO GOAT

>>79383185
This show is so fucking gay.

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>tfw thinking about season 2
>could it be shit, could it be even slightly less quality
>i'm so attached to this show already i dont want it's kino quality diminished.
>this show is my church, do not disappoint me sorrentkino

>>79412707
>This show is so fucking gay.

I'm sorry you're a faggot anon

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It's been almost 11 years since the last time I went to mass. Believe it or not, I'm actually looking up the schedules of the catholic parishes around me.

>>79412829
Wow, you really roasted me when you parroted my insult like that, anon. You're a goddamn genius.

Watching vioello was like seeing a real person stuck in a tv show. He was never truly bad nor good. Such a well written character.

>>79411985
It's also important to note that mother church only considers sexual activity outside of matrimony sinful, not the orientation of being homosexual. Homosexual sex is a sinful act; being attracted to the same sex is not.

>>79412834
Welcome home.

>>79413484
sanitarium

>>79412087
>you're right but they are two totally different acts.

It doesn't matter that they are different acts, neither are supposed to be allowed. I'm not saying that homos and pedos are of the same caliber either, but that is irrelevant.

>>79412834

Ain't you just a weak bitch

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>>79413686
Its my snack time nigger

>>79413484
Dude, there's a church nearby that does latin mass every week.

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>>79413448
Watering down Christianity is what has allowed the state and the ruling class to hijack religion for the conservative white vote for the past century or so in the US. Hard-mode Christianity is about making Christ the center of your existence and letting your self fall away. This show is beautiful because it shows what real Christ following looks like. It's a pretty messy existence that makes most feel as orphaned as Lenny. Whether your gay or overly heterosexual, Christianity is fulfilling your role in God's church as Christ's representative in this world. Allowing your desires(whether it be sex, drugs, media, people, objects, money, power, reclusive living, insert character flaw here) to become the focus of your existence is the best con the devil ever pulled. Faith is actually easy, it's being a disciple and then bearing fruit as an Apostle that is difficult.

>>79396348
>this life
>thinking there's a difference between an Apostle and a Saint

I recommended this show to a few freinds and they laughed it off after 2 episodes thinking i was just memeing them, they thought it was unfollowable, european drivel. I had to convince them that i literally found this to be one of better series ive seen in the last decade.

About to finish my second rewatch. Sorrentino is on such a fucking impressive run right now. Im a bit nervous about the direction it might go in a second season which i read is being written by Paolo rn.

Anyone who compares this to trump or HoC is a megapleb

I was raised Baptist and fell out of it. Can I go to a Catholic service just to check it out or do I need to become a member first? I know there's more structure and less free form when it comes to the Catholics which is why I'm interested in the first place.

>>79414379
Try finding a very High Church worship styled United Methodist Church. You'll find a lot of the same vestments and the same accessibility to God and Christ as the Baptists. Not nearly as many Sacraments(two instead of seven)and the sermons will be more familiar. If you don't like it, you will find it to be a less jarring change when you do go full Roman Catholic.

>>79414379
Anyone is welcome to Catholic mass, the doors are usually always unlocked during the day for open prayer. Just dont drink the wine/eat the eucharist at communion until youve been baptized.

t. former practicing catholic

>>79414534
No you dont

>>79414379
>>79414466
I don't know, all the catholic churches I went to growing up were really hokey. It was rare that any valued solemnity over being a weekly community center

The worst was this little shithead priest who spent all of 2008 making barely concealed allusions to how Obama was gonna destroy the country after mass but before he said "go in peace", so everyone was held hostage by his town hall meetings. Not that I would have stayed religious anyway but shit like that killed it for me very fast.

Was I the only one who enjoyed the series, but felt like it went a little off the rails in the last few episodes? I wanted to be blown away and it really let me down.

>>79383185
>the latest episode

Didn't this show finish like 2 months ago?

>>79412834
Do it famalam. I've found religious purpose funny enough

They are not actually making another season are they?

I feel like the told the arcs they needed to. Lenny had his transformation from a boy to a man, people dear to him died but he gained friends, etc.

What is there left to do? No, if you think find his parents and meet them you totally missed the point, that would be like him finding and meeting up with god.

>>79414616
Pope fight vs Orthodox Patriarch

>>79414550
Curious where youre from in the US?

Im from Philly, so even the catholic church has a liberal touch, its only the +65 age crowd that still treats themselves in the fasion that got the church so seprated from modern Christianity in the first place

>>79414715
Connecticut, the more generally liberal part too.

>>79414616
>There's a crazy new Cardinal in town, and ol' Lenny might have finally met his match... and surprise, racists, it's a trans woman of color.

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>>79414723
Hahahahahhahshahah....

>tusk
>not being the best stand

>>79414767
Could always check out SSPX all the traditionalism without the Vatican 2 stuff.

Then again church shopping is frowned upon. Thank god i live in the conservative bible belt of central california

>>79414767
My fault for genefalizing then, i mustve just gotten lucky. Still didnt work out for me, but spent 22 years in it

Lenny meeting the former popes is a top 5 TYP scene btw

Lenny making the kids cry keek

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>>79385036
I honestly didn't believe a show that wasn't critical of Christianity could ever be made let alone one that sympathizes with Pius X.

on top of that its great.

its the best show i've watched.

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>>79385740
pure KINO

>>79394377
lel

>redditor watches first speech thinking its going to be Jews running the church into the ground with pro faggot abortoin shit

>its actually Pope Pious X reincarnate so shit all over liberalism

>It had an opportunity to explore the institutions and cultures involved, the ideas, any number of t..................

>>79386620
I teared up.

The deepest and highest values really actually hurt to bear and receive.

This show has revitalized my faith

YOUNG POPE 2: JUDE LAW DIES AND IS REPLACED BY AN EVEN YOUNGER POPE

banner on this page for me is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6NnXF-L9c0 lel

>>79414616
Lenny actually meeting his parents

total misrepresentation of life in Ketchikan, AK

9/10 show though, best i've watched in years

So he's the second coming Jesus, right? It's the only plausible explanation.

>>79418192
no, he's a saint

three verifiable miracles

pay attention next time

>>79418192
>literally raised by sister MARY as a surrogate mother
>has super powers
>can make miracles
>is probably now dead and is coming back to life

yes

>>79418223
saints only need 2

>>79418192
I hope so but a run of the mill saint would also be acceptable.

>>79411844
>Didn't really like that pulling away shot to show the Earth

I felt the same way, sort of ironic for a show just talking about banal platitudes

BUT I'll say that having it set against no music and instead just that cold sound was about as well as it could be done

>>79414767
Honestly, I truly believe the CC could be saved, it needs a Pope that actually intends to be a teacher of hard truths and Bible scholar and it needs a church that makes people feel inspired and excited again.

Muslim faith is one of the most boring things ever people just like how hardcore it is. With a mix of "pious" philosophy and invigorated mass it would become great again.

>>79383185
I don't even belive in God and I've been tearing up.

>>79419249
Well I think the show speaks about universal truths, not just about some God high above.

>>79419300
>>79419249
stop appropriating my culture

>>79419300
God is the universal truth.

Season 2: Cardinal OxygenTank dies and someone going through his stuff discovers the incriminating thumb drive

>>79385926
>>"sensationalized characters for an american audience"
that's pretty accurate though famalamdingdong

>>79415217
>a show that wasn't critical of Christianity
this show is very anti-catholic actually

>>79385310
and he had to ruin it by making them look like clueless morons

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>>79385374
The one that speaks is Pope Pius V

>>79421226
>God literally answers a catholic's prayers with miracles multiple times
>anti-catholic
It's the most pro-catholic work to ever come out of premium cable.

>>79421303
no, just no. Sorrentino is very subtle about it, but if you think the presence of miracles means it's a pro-catholic show you are quite a simpleton

>>79421426
not him, can you expand on why you think the young pope is (subtly) anti-catholic?

>>79421426
>is he a Saint or a fraud
>[flashback to two miracles]
Yeah, it was not intentional, sure. Two miracles needed to be confirmed a Saint just happened for no reason. They flashbacked for no reason, too. It's an anti-christian show indeed.

>>79421440
Many reasons, can't be arsed to type everything. I wrote my opinion time ago on an older thread.
This is a perfect example >>79385825
A subtle punch to the idea of priesthood and a subversion of the meaning of becoming a priest. Which is an act of courage and sacrifice, but instead it's depicted as an act of cowardice and escape.

>>79421450
>he is a saint because he makes miracles
>if he is a saint then it's a pro-catholic show
so you really are a simpleton

>>79421551
>ambiguous work that never embraces religion outwardly makes a big effort to show character being a saint by religion's own outwardly standards
Yeah, nah. You're a simpleton.

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What are some other shows women will never understand?

>>79421647
>ambiguous work
nice rationalization of the fact it's subtly anti-catholic

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>tfw your faith will never be strong enough to become a franciscan friar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9fDs9_eWY4

>>79421711
*benedictine

>>79421678
It's ambiguous because it focuses on the character of the Pope rather than Church as a whole. That's the way these artsy "indie" film makers do stuff. It doesn't prove anything except reluctance to make definitive political statements.
However, when show focuses on the character of the Pope, it shows itself as being religious, as it does its best to definitively prove Lenny a Saint. And since it's a character focused work, the in state of characters and what film maker does within them rather with crude outward politics, is what's genuine.

Get rekd kiddo. You don't understand kino.

>>79421675
Does she back up Lenny on abortion or does she resent that he represents her side?

>>79421756
>"i-it's just about the Pope therefore the Church is only a background"
>"t-t-that's totally an excuse for expressing anti-catholic concepts and letting all the characters agree with them"
>"t-t-that's totally a good excuse for making the concept of faith become a background of petty human squabbles thus relegating it to a mere plot device devoid of any meaning"
>"t-t-that's totally a good excuse for showing religious sounds and images immediately followed by bysexual threesomes"
>"t-t-that's totally a good excuse for creating supernatural, religious atmosphere only to throw it into the ground by making an fool of it with things like "before believing in God just believe in yourself" which is exaclty an inversion of christian morals and doctrines"

you're retarded, son

>muh kino
go back to plebbit

>>79421675
those are all valid points
especially the one about painting every priest and nun as cowards

>>79383936
>Callejon instead of based Marekiaro, the captain and heart of the team for the last 10 fucking years

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>79421876
You're literally a retard. Every word of those retarded arrows of lies is an untruth sustained by your puritan delusion.

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>>79421964
>has no arguments
>gets BTFO
>"hurr durr you are just wrong" + namecalling

ok kiddo

>>79422034
Church is in background to Pope. This is non negotiable. It's a character piece.
"I'm projecting this as meaning the show is antiCatholic even though it handles lots of Catholic themes thru the characters"
"Faith is one of the major themes Lenny has to wrestle with, which means show is not about faith"
"A show featuring humans must be prude and never use contrasting imaginery because I'm easily triggered"
"I literally don't understand the themes of the show"

Yeah, you're an idiot.

>>79422119
>"I'm projecting this as meaning the show is antiCatholic even though it handles lots of Catholic themes thru the characters"
handling Catholic themes doesn't mean not being anti-catholic
>"Faith is one of the major themes Lenny has to wrestle with, which means show is not about faith"
Nope, the show isn't about faith at all. In fact faith is always made fun of in a way or another. Lenny doesn't struggle with his faith but with his mommy issues
>"A show featuring humans must be prude and never use contrasting imaginery because I'm easily triggered"
I am not triggered at all, just pointing out facts. It is you the triggered one who gets all uppity and REEEEEing because I pointed out huge flaws in his favourite show.
There's a difference between being prude and associating sacred imagery with bisexual threesomes, anon. You are missing the point.
You can't show faith and its sacrality if all you do is try to either marginalize it, blaspheme it or subvert it.
>"I literally don't understand the themes of the show"
I do. You probably don't, since you try defend things that don't really have an effect on the meaning of the show other than pointing out how it's subtly anti-catholic in its character

>Yeah, you're an idiot.
yeah, you're projecting

>>79414466
What happens if I was once dragged to mass, took communion because almost everyone else in the room did, and didn't eat the wafer because it looked like a piece of plastic when I thought they were supposed to hand out bread? Am I going to hell?

>>79383355
What was the point of his relationship with the landwhale landlord? I don't get it all.

>>79423603
She was his way in

>>79383185
nigger this aired months ago

>>79424365
In what?

>>79383185
Can anyone enlighten me to the meaning of the obese woman in the hotel during the penultimate episode?

>>79385835
Don't forget about the Leftovers too

>>79424541
She was a stand-in for Gutierrez's insecurity. She preferred to die in bed than to go through the window because of her fear of heights, like how he was terrified of leaving the Vatican. Her hesitation was what ultimately convinced him to stay in New York and finish his investigation, he didn't want to be -that- pathetic.

>>79425059
What about that breathing mouth to mouth scene?

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Ketchikan actually looks like a nice place in real life.

Fuck Lenny, Spencer should have been Pope

GUYS

w2c Voiello's blue framed shades pls?

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Finished it last night have have wholly avoided threads for weeks, though very tempting. Anyone wanna bring me up to speed on the best memes, waifu consensus, favorite characters, etc.

Jude Law was excellent obviously, Voiello is the fucking man, and Guiteriez stole the show the last couple episodes. Highly recommend seeing him in Almodovar's "Talk to Her." For me, PM of Greenland is top waifu. I wish I was fit enough to pull off Lenny's papal jogging gear.

Beautiful series, ranks along w/ The Great Beauty as Sorrentino's best, maybe even better. Youth was mostly a misfire, but I'd also recommend his Il Divo, dealing w/ similar subject matter.

I was raised Catholic, but don't believe in God any more and only time I go to Mass anymore is during funerals or sometimes holidays I'm spending with family

Is it appropriate for me to get back into the Church, even if I don't share many of its beliefs and don't plan on starting to believe in God again?

>>79426010
It's also not that cold, similar climate to Seattle or Vancouver.

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Voiello looks like THAT?

Not that it matters, but the age difference between Sister Mary and Lenny seemed off, no?

From their younger days i think it was made clear she was only about 10 years older. If he's 42-45, she looks way older than 55 (real age 71)

>>79426502
Lenny is said to be 47 so it doesn't seems so off, when she's shown with no veil on his head she may well look around 65/70 while older and 25/30 while younger

>implying he isn't the antichrist
I'm going to drink up the tears of all the self righteous conservative catholics here when that shit is revealed

>narcissistic and vain
>doesn't know either of his parents
>menacing smiles at the camera on several occasions
you guys are so blinded by your rigid ideology it's not even fucking funny

>>79421226
The writer talks about 'when i'm praying this' and uses other phrases that include him within the religion. He's definitely catholic and he talks about it as a practicing member of the church not as some 3rd party observer.

>>79426417
you can never leave the church mate.

Did anyone else think Gutierez wouldnt make it out of the US alive? It was foreboding there for a bit.

>>79426712
you could ask the church where you were baptized to be removed from the archives of baptized people
not exactly a 'debaptism' as some like to call it but it's the closest you can get to officially leave the Church

only way for sure to leave it for good would be if you got excommunicated

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>>79383185
It was great.
I liked the Africa part, showing how it was without going overboard.

>>79426899
Nothing says Africa more than a smiling nun with a shotgun.
I have to concur, that's well played.

>>79426777
I thought he might kill himself or drink himself to death.

>>79388582
They're not making a season 2

>>79427314
That or murder, yes. Wigman was ominous.

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>>79421265
>mfw i thought he was Santa Claus