Making a case for The Hobbit films

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You're stupid.

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>>79306621
I liked it. Nothing glaringly bad in it and even though it was stretched out it honestly didn't feel like it.

Also, Martin Freeman Bilbo is way better than Frodo. Watching Frodo made me uncomfortable (not because I want to fuck his boipucci)

>>79306666
Nice argument.

>Legolas running across concrete slabs in mid-air.webm

>>79306696
Well, Bilbo and Frodo are different characters. They both played the contrasting personalities well.

>>79306742
Would you argue with a monkey in the zoo?

>>79306621
>Is it faithful to the book for the most part though? Yes.
Fuck no it isn't. I reread the book after watching the films and was flabbergasted at the unnecessary changes that Jackson apparently felt the need to make.

>>79306742
>the movies looked pretty and hired some local sheepfuckers

His quads were nicer than your OP

>>79306769
>films are nearly 6 plus hours long
>one 40 second sequence breaks them for me

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>>79306621
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>>79306787
Still not articulating a real opinion

>>79306825
It's almost like The Hobbit is for kids...

>>79306666
Quad speak carries truth!

>>79306791
I've also read The Hobbit, like most people and I disagree. Some minor additions for storytelling reasons but a good chunk of the trilogy's time is dedicated to getting the book's shit right. They even added Similirion shit for lore's sake.

>>79306898
No, it's not even about additions. They straight up change significant shit, like having Bilbo keep the ring secret from the dwarves where in the books he didn't hesitate to tell them during the spider incident.

>>79306898
A good chunk of the time is also dedicated to a bullshit love triangle with characters that shouldn't even be there.

>>79306956
That seems like it fits better with the film's universe

>>79306791
This

I hadn't read either until a year ago and was surprised how well adapted LOTR was and how badly Hobbit was.

Dialogue was shifted around and things were changed to make it work better as a series with a 3 film structure.

The hobbit was changed and things were shifted around and added to make 3 movies out of a kids story and to try to remind people of LOTR when this film ALWAYS should have been approached as something very different than LOTR: Zero

He has the Eagles save the day again but doesn't include the part where they actually talk to them. Why? Because they didn't talk in LOTR.

Didn't matter to them that they were just boiling them down to being a deus ex machina. What mattered were that LOTR box office.

>>79306809
Yes that's exactly what he said.

It's not indicative of the retarded shit PJ filled the trilogy with because he thought the audience were retards or anything. No just that one sequence alone was silly.

>>79306863
Haha

That argument doesn't work for either prequel trilogy when both directors were trying so hard so be edgy otherwise

>>79307150
>The Hobbit is literally a children's book

>>79306998
The film's universe needlessly made things dumb and edgy after the first film.
First film was good, then it all fell apart.

>They are by no means as fucking horribly made as the Star Wars prequels

But this is where you are wrong. The prequels were badly filmed, edited, and acted, but they were original and memorable. Lucas in all his autism made his story with his vision. Sure, that vision may have mostly been bad, but there were some good parts.

The Hobbit trilogy had no vision or no originality. Hollywood took a 200pg childrens book, bloated it across three movies and added unnecessary characters, arcs, and cgi. They brought back Jackson, but he didnt want to do it and by the time he came on board everything was fucked.

>>79307046
But does any of this justify how much /tv/ hates it?

>>79306993
Christ I had actually forgotten about that shit.

>"Why does love hurt so much"

>>79307210
It's especially annoying because Tintin was awesome and then Jackson got busy shitting on The Hobbit for three years so who knows if we'll ever get more Tintin.

after the hobbit I dread what will happen once Hollywood finally gets the rights to Tolkien's other works

it'd be easy, oh so horrifyingly easy, to turn them into a "cinematic universe"

>>79307184
First LOTR film was good, then it all fell apart.
What a retarded meme

>>79307179
The book was yes.

The films weren't. That's why I say he needed to approach the movie(s) as something different than just a prequel to LOTR.

>>79307247
IIRC Jackson is a major Tintin fan and the movie did well enough abroad (seriously USA, give your kids Tintin comics like the rest of the world)

>>79306621
>that shameless false advertising with the third one

Fucking Smaoug was in it for two minutes if that...

>>79307261
Would it be outright bad if it was a cinematic universe?

>>79307212
People hate things with a passion on /tv/

Welcome to the internet

I hate you so much OP

Like I actually hope a serial killer randomly finds you and skins you alive for liking these shitty, soulless, cash-in, pieces of studio garbage.

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>>79307310
They probably just wanted to do this.

>>79307212
As far as I can tell /tv/ doesn't hate the Hobbit nearly enough.

We still get threads about how shitty the star wars prequels were, but people rarely mention how disgusting the Hobbit "Trilogy" is.

>>79307318
It would eventually include half a dozen or more different directors, writers etc. each of them trying to give their own "style" to their movies instead of trying to emulate what tolkien was going for as closely as possible within the confines of a movie like the original 3 movies

I mean with a cinematic universe there's a good chance we'd get the quipping adventures of beren, luthien and their 6 donut steel companions

>>79307318
>>79307402

please just die and take your Marvel capeshit cancer with you.

>>79307390
Prequel threads are meme threads, not about how bad they are.

The prequels on /tv/ have become ironic K I N O

>>79306621

>>79306655
>>79306825
>>79307210
>>79307046
>>79306666

OP, if you were smart enough to realize how stupid you are, you would immediately kill yourself for the betterment of the species, unfortunately you're not.

>>79307210
100% agreed

>>79307247
I think The Hobbit should've been adapted into a single 2 & a half hour film (3hrs + Extended) done in the same cgi style as Tintin.

They could've made it more cartoony in keeping with the book while using actors from LOTR for likenesses & voices to keep it tied in with the other trilogy.

I don't know just a way I think it could've worked better.

>>79307420
if you hadn't noticed yet, I'm utterly horrified by the prospect of a Tolkien cinematic universe

but its what is likely to happen if Cristopher dies

>>79307402
Pretty much.

This is why I was glad that Del Taco bailed because he wasn't interested in making Tolkien's or Jackson's middle earth he wanted to make his own.

So plenty of swirls & pixies & things with eyes where they shouldn't have eyes.

Although not like Jackson did anything better

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>>79306621
First act of Unexpected Journey is good. Rest is shit.

Desolation of Smaug is perhaps the best film in my opinion but needs a re-edit which is why you should only watch fanedits of it.

Battle of 5 armies should not exist because it is terrible from start to finish apart from 1 scene at the beginning about the stone (or maybe I am thinking of a desolation of smaug scene when they are trying to work out who took the stone.

>>79307357
Calm down, hothead

>>79307445
>kill yourself
>for liking what I dont
>"""discussion""""

No. They're a joke. Hell, even the LOTR trilogy is kind of shit compared to the books and those films at least got a good bit of things right.

The Hobbit movies did nothing right. Even most people that loved the LOTR trilogy can't get into those pathetic Hobbit movies. That's pretty fucking low.

>>79307537
I would have been interested in seeing Del Toro's version even if it was unfaithful. Not like it could be worse than Ralph Bakshi's.

The studio should have nutted up and pushed the films back a year at least and given Jackson the time he needed for pre-production after shoving him in at the last minute.

>>79306621
>They are by no means as fucking horribly made as the Star Wars prequels but those are defended to no end on here.

I'm gonna let you in on a little secret: The prequel defenders are just memelords

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>>79306621
>love and respect the source material

>>79307283
How does that response even remotely work?

>>79306621
First 1.5 movies aren't bad, last 1.5 movies are terrible. Prequels at least tried to do something original and unique, The Hobbit was just LotR but bad.

UJ was good.
DoS was kinda "meh", there were a couple good scenes though, and if it were edited better it could have been an ok movie.

Bo5A was... well there were only like 2 or 3 good scenes.

>>79308279
What

>>79306898
>They even added Similirion shit for lore's sake.
Why do people lie so obviously? Jackson in fact was legally prohibited from adding anything only in the Silmarillion.

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>>79307928
>The prequel defenders are just memelords

>>79308456
He was not prohibited from including information from it. No.

>>79308498
Yes he was.

>>79308416
How does that response even remotely work?

>>79306621
Kiwi here,
I loved lotr, watched the first hobbit and had exactly 0 desire to watch the rest even though theyre on netflix.
Also lotr brought heaps of jobs to Nz coz of costume making, set building, extras etc etc. Hobbit didnt do any of that coz it was all CGI

>>79308592
First part was greentext but my phone fucked it up

>>79306655
how did the jews allow this

>>79308636
And how does it remotely work?

>>79308599
It literally did bring in jobs tho

>>79307921
PJ should've jumped ship like Taco.

Instead the Hobbit trilogy has pretty much killed his career from the looks of it and after all his shilling he's getting no sympathy from anyone when he tries to pass the blame on the studio

>>79308689
Idk, I'm not retarded with the English language?

>>79307372
>tfw i bought some weeb shirt of smaug doing the attack on titan pose

>>79308689
>I don't understand greentext

>>79308498
He was dude. We all know this and Christopher would sue anyone if they tried to fuck with the books he holds the rights too

>>79308736
>>79308754
Are you ESLs or something?

>>79308706
Sure, maybe for cgi artists or whatever their called
Not nearly as many as LOTR, i remember when they were making lotr i saw job ads everywhere and everyone new at least one person who worked on the film in some capacity. Cant say the same for the hobbit

>>79308738
What? Do you have a picture?

>>79308776
Fuck off already, the post was very simple to understand if you arent autistic.

>>79308809
The argument wasnt that the Hobbit brought MORE jobs.

Go away Gregg

The first one was alright because "we're going back to middle earth" The second one was alright because it was Benedict Cumberbatch, the third one was forgettable CGI garbage. Also it was way too drawn out. Should have stuck with one movie. Glad he didn't try to make a King Kong trilogy.

>>79308813
How does this response even remotely work?

>>79308844
My point was that the hobbit was a fucking disgrace and probably ruined any goodwill nz gained from making lotr

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>>79308812
shirt is dirty now but I found it on one of those daily tshirt sites

>>79308905
>Falco Badass
>Slippy useless

I hate fucking fauxnerds that don't even play these fucking games. Slippy is the only member that has any use at all.

>>79309236
I was gonna say something about that too. The Slippy hate meme is the worst.
That said, Falco is pretty badass in SSB and one of my favorite characters to play.

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>>79306621
They were a huge letdown and we all know it.

>LOTR literally won Oscars for costume design, so let's make all the orcs cartoons instead

Just why

Far better than the book.
The Hobbit was such an awful book and that's the problem here. The source material was shit. A dumb childrens book.

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>>79306825
Someone should be killed for this.
Also, that fucking bloom.
What the actual fuck where Jackson thinking?
Suicide when?

>>79307600
Riddles In The Dark was also excellent.
The rest was 0-3/10 all the way through.

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>>79307908
>even the LOTR trilogy is kind of shit
What a wrong opinion to hold

>>79307210
>if the shit is ironically good and makes memes
>it is better
Please kill yourself, this logic is assbackwards

>>79310380
He said "kind of shit COMPARED to the books", which is absolutely true.
But it was as could as any LoTR movie probably ever will be, and that was pure luck, and pretty amazing.

>>79310563
It wasn't luck, they poured an insane amount of time in scripting, production and design...the likes of which most movies don't get anymore. You faggots ignore how much work goes into making a movie of this quality, let alone just passable. The hundreds of artists and designers made this film a visual masterpiece. It wasn't luck

>>79310647
I meant it was pure luck that Jackson arrived at that precise moment in time, and that he held that vision and had that passion, and that the media overlords allowed him enough resources and time.
It could never have happened today. It could never have happened before the Matrix trilogy, either.

>>79310563
Why would you ever compare a movie to a book?

>>79310698
>why would you ever compare a movie adaptation with the source material
Gee, I don't know, Anon.
Can you think of a reason?

>>79306863
>>79307150

Yeah, I mean, some of the scenes from BoFA extended were just... uncomfortable. Like, it seemed like shit out of some edgelord vidya.

>>79310725
>I missed the point
A film's adaptation is not going to be tje same as the original book. They are two different mediums. The films will never be the books.

>>79307210

Agreed

The Hobbit makes the prequels look almost decent.

>>79310859
I want this contrarian meme to die. The SW prequels are garbage. Them being funny isn't an excuse. I swear half of you are 14 fucking years old

The Hobbit films don't get basic filmmaking wrong

>>79310907

I don't care about memes or how "funny" the prequels were, I think The Hobbit trilogy was worse. That's it.

Being an adaption of a literary classic I loved might have something to do with it, but there you go.

>>79311111
>I think The Hobbit trilogy was worse. That's it.
Then your concept of how film works is juvenile.

>>79311214

I'm sure I'll find a way to live with that

>>79310843
That's no reason for avoiding comparison, you complete faggot.

>>79310907
I can enjoy the prequels.
It is literally impossible to enjoy The Hobbit movies.

>>79311315
How am I a complete faggot? Are you just dumb? I am saying that of course a film adaptation is never going to be as good or better than source material...it is a different medium and you shouldn't expect it to be compared in any autistic way.

>>79311387
>you shouldn't expect it to be compared in any autistic way
I do expect it to be compared in a completely normal way, though.
You're the raving autist here. saying movies are exempt from critical comparison with the source material.

>>79311432
So you just have poor reading comprehension then, you assmad sperg? Since I never said that. Just calm down.

>>79311482
At least I did read the book :^)

>>79311831
I read the book too, why are you so fucking mad kiddo?

So what's the best fan edit?

There has to be a fan edit out there that takes the best from all three to make one long but good version. There was good in all three just enough to make one good movie.

>>79312250
Sagan Om De Bannlysta