Wait holy shit do Americans really do this?

>>79175206
no, it's bad tv trying to be "adult" and "mature"

HARD FACTS OF LIFE AMIRITE?

>>79175206
Not every hospital is equipped to handle every type of ailment. He's actually kind of a shitty cop for not knowing which hospital in his area treats gunshot wounds.

Privatized health care

>>79175206
bad writers do this

>>79175256
this guy is trolling
literally any hospital would at the very least try to get you stable, if they don't have a doctor to start picking pieces of the bullet shrapnel out of you

>>79175206
we cant just treat every dumb ninja that gets shot by another dumb ninja, theres not enough emergency rooms in the world

>>79175296
reposts?

>>79175348

>ninja

haha

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>>79175256
>americans have to go to the designated gunshot hospital when they get shot

good way to lose public funding desu

>>79175206
No. It's literally illegal for any emergency room to refuse treatment to an injured person, even if they're uninsured/foreign/etc.

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>>79175398
>retarded yuropoor falls for easy b8 on an American website

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>>79175451
>american website
sorry buddy, moot is long gone

is this sense8? i was disappointed every character dealt with their experience in mostly the same way, and that there was no build up and the finale was emotionally unsatisfying.

>>79175347

I think nowadays they let the bullet sit inside you because it's too risky to open you up and possibly fuck something up.

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>>79175206
American health care is third world tier

>>79175548
Also, it helps your body build an immune response to bullets. After two or three, you're basically immune to GSWs

>>79175206
>Look mom! I posted it twice in the same day!

No, this is exaggerated.

Hospitals have an assigned trauma level ranging from 1-4. Trauma level 1 is considered the most intensive and have a larger available staff of surgeons at all times and the resources to handle things ranging from gunshots to dismemberment and beyond.

So let's say this kid was brought into a trauma level 3 hospital. Here's how it would go down:

>kid would be brought to a bed
>they would try to access his situation
>simultaneously call for a transport to be arranged
>try their best to stabilize through bandages and other means
>once transport is ready, they'd haul him out
>immediately he would be transported to a trauma level 1 or any other level that matched his current situation

Hospitals can't turn their backs on individuals but they can refuse to treat them.

For instance, let's say you're a for-profit hospital who receives a patient from a car accident who doesn't have insurance. You can't just push him out the door and have him die. You can however stabilize him and transfer him to a neighboring nonprofit hospital. This is the case with Florida Hospital and Orlando Regional Medical Center for example.

>>79175839
I forgot to mention there is a trauma level 5 but these are really small and only deal with very minor things so they transport almost everyone who has any serious trauma.

>>79175516
who?

>>79175570
we just get our shit taken care of on vacation. medical tourism is pretty legit.

>Cop just carrying a kid around with an open wound instead of performing basic first aid on the scene initially

Or do cops not get issued IFAKs?

>>79175548
I can't speak for all hospitals but most don't leave the bullet in nowadays from what I've seen. The biggest concern is that the bullet could trap bacteria into the wound if left inside and the patient could develop an anaerobic infection.

Furthermore, if you were to be shot in the gut, not only would they remove the bullet but they would open you up to make sure you don't have a perforated colon leaking shit into your insides or to see if you have organ damage.

>>79175206
lol americans jumping to criticise are missing the point, literally every single person who sees this from every other country with what they know about america and its ways believed this to be a plausible scenario. you should be kind of embarrassed rather than calling everyone dumb lol.

>>79175450

what happens in america if they are uninsured and/or foreign and cant pay the probably 10K bill? go to jail?

>>79175570
Give me the link to the wikipedia article what the fuck is this ranking exactly.

>>79175839

how does a hospital even know if you have insurance if you come in unconscious? do americans carry around health insurance cards in their wallet?

>>79175206
assuming he doesn't have insurance, then yeah that's accurate

>>79176485

and wouldn't people just lie if they didn't have insurance but are bleeding out?

>>79176485
>do americans carry around health insurance cards in their wallet?
Why wouldn't you?

>>79176447
Free state medical care.

>>79176520
That's a crime. You'll have to pay and also face prosecution.

>>79176523

what if someone loses their wallet while sustaining their injuries?

>>79176536

do you have to be a certain level of poverty to qualify for it? do you go to jail if you're rich enough to afford insurance but didn't get it and then got medical treatment and can't pay up?

>>79176574

I think most people would take prosecution over bleeding out in a hospital

this whole thing sounds like a cyberpunk movie

>>79175206
i dont know what the chicago hospitals are like, but i wouldn't be surprised if they do stuff like that because they just can't handle the amount of (black) people getting shot in chicago.

even if it does happen (dont know), it's not common at all, just specific shitty cities with crazy high gun violence.

>>79176574
>it is a crime to desperately not want to die

>>79176621
Its called debt you retard. Youd have medical debt. And no debt isnt jailable. Stop being retarded

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>>79176621
Meh, they may suicide anyway when they see the bills.

This is America, where they charge $40 for "skin on skin contact" which is just letting the mother hold her own baby after birth.

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>>79176697

For any Yuropoors who think hospitals in the U.S will let you die or not save your life, you are completely wrong. There are laws in place that force emergency rooms to treat anyone who needs it. The ONLY thing they can do to you is fuck your credit with Medical Debt, and even then if you pay at least a penny towards it each month they legally can't do anything.

>>79176689

a debt is when you agree to pay it back, and if you dont they can sue you or come take your property and I am pretty sure put you in jail for things like child support debts

so can you have that happen to you if you don't have insurance but got shot and a hospital saved you without you agreeing to anything because you were literally passed out?

>>79176697
>Thinking anyone actually pays those amounts
lol

>>79176485
>>79176520
>>79176621
You're exaggerating.

A for-profit hospital will NOT let you bleed out or die. If you come in unconscious with no wallet or anything saying you have insurance, they will still stabilize you. They will just not treat you. What I mean by this is that they won't have you sit in their hospital for five days getting all sorts of expensive care while you recover. Instead, they will stabilize you until you're in no harm by being transported to another hospital.

However, you probably would not even end up at a for-profit to begin with. Ambulatory services and police know which hospitals are level 1 or not and if they are nonprofit or not. They will preferentially send you to the right place so that you're not in this kind of position of having to move. However, sometimes people have bad shit happen where they need attention right away and then they do go to the for-profit where they are stabilized before being moved.

>>79176755
>debt is what i say it means!
Dont ask questioms you wont accept the answer to faggot.

>>79176756
I can see insurance has covered $11k of it, but they're still over a grand to pay, as well as that $40 baby holding fee kek.

>>79175398
There are some hospitals that don't have emergency operating rooms.

This was/is an issue in Chicago where in spite of the fact there are so many shootings on the South Side, for a long time emergency services weren't required to take a victim to the nearest ER with an operating room. There's an ESPN 30 for 30 on how it used to be in the 80s when a high school prospect got shot and how he was taken to a place that couldn't do anything for him.

>>79176770

I'm not exaggerating I just dont know, I know they wont let you die but it's the being charged after bit thats funny

do americans honestly carry around a card that says they have medical insurance like an ancap meme on /pol/?

and what do you mean by nonprofit? it's run by a charity or the state? why wouldnt absolutely everyone just go there then?

>>79176791

ok so tell me what happens since you're really smart if you dont pay it back, can they sue you or take your property like if you racked up credit card debt?

>>79176837
>can they sue you or take your property like if you racked up credit card debt?
They send the account to a collection agency, who handles the legality from there.

>>79176791

also the definition of debt is you agree to pay something back later, I can't save you from drowning and then say that'll be a thousand bucks if you didn't agree to it before hand

>>79176837
>do americans honestly carry around a card that says they have medical insurance like an ancap meme on /pol/?

Yes they do.

If you want a good laugh at the American healthcare system I suggest sicko by Michael Moore. The preexisting condition stuff was actually nixed by Obamacare but this place is a joke in regards to coverage

>>79176863

and then what do they do if you simply cant afford it?

what if you are a foreign national? can you just go home?

>>79176837
>can they sue you or take your property like if you racked up credit card debt?
Yes. Theyll pass off your debt to collections which hits your credit and then collection will try to get money. If you dont pay them then they can sue. That leads to shit like wage garnishments.

>>79176755
child support debt is the only debt you can be jailed for that even then it's for contempt of court for not following the courts orders, not the actual not paying

>>79176892
>and then what do they do if you simply cant afford it?
Take you to court.
>what if you are a foreign national?
Nothing, unless they are able to circumvent jurisdiction.

>>79176756
everyone does pay those amounts out of wallet or taxes it's still getting paid one way or another doesn't matter what country you are from

>>79175206
I hate niggers so much.

>>79176902
tax debt will too

>>79176908
>>Nothing, unless they are able to circumvent jurisdiction.
USA are experts at that

>>79175348

Oh, I see how it is. Just because you can't see them when it's poorly lit, every black person is a ninja?

>>79176960
>USA are experts at that
Then that's probably what would happen.

>>79176865
Then carry a do not resuscitate form or equivalent. Stop being stupid.

This thread wouldn't be happening if any of you knew how to Google, you know.

Paramedic here, one, fuck niggers. Two, they would have controlled the bleeding and stabilized him by administering fluids before flying him to a hospital for vascular surgery if needed.
But shame on the cop for taking him to a bandaid station.

>>79176447
>go to jail?
We don't have debtor's prison anon. A hospital can't refuse you treatment if your life is in danger. They'll do what they can to get you stable, then throw your ass back out on the street. Expect a big hospital bill to come in the mail, but the trick is not to pay it until they sell it off to a collections agency, which will settle with you for pennies on the dollar.
The trick is the severity of the injury or illness. If you show up to an ER with the flu and no insurance they're going to direct you to the nearest flee clinic. But if you're bleeding out or suffering from a serious trauma, they're going to do what they can to keep you alive.

>>79176078
this is bullshit

a bullet is way too hot for any bacteria to survive on it

they don't that them out unless there a specific reason to do so, just do even five minutes of reading before spouting this utter bullshit

>>79176837
Yes, medical insurance cards are a thing but they are usually just for the doctors office to have proof of your insurance so they can contact the company for payment. It's not a card that say anything like "DONT TREAT THIS FAG THEY ARE POOR"

Nonprofit hospitals and for-profit are just two different business models. For-profits are publically traded and have shareholders. Nonprofits usually have charities but also don't pay any taxes.

Because for-profit hospitals have investors, they can be more up to date. They will sometimes have better equipment, better surgeons, etc. It really depends but it can sometimes be that for-profits have more research centers or are more specialized. There are a lot of factors.

>>79176485
We carry insurance cards here in Canada. I assume Americans would too.

>>79177064
>a bullet is way too hot for any bacteria to survive on it
Wounds don't seal up immediately like they do in anime.

>>79177064
It's not from bacteria on the bullet you dummy. It's bacteris from your skin, bacteria leaking from your gut, bacteria from the exposure to outside tissues.

>>79177102
>>79177093
they don't take the bullet out

thats assuming its even in a single piece inside of you

>>79176806
Anon if you're having a baby you schedule that shit ahead of time. You'd be surprised how much of a discount you get for scheduling early and asking for one.

What a lot of you don't understand is that hospital staffing is expensive. Imagine the level of expense if every single hospital was open 24/7, had surgeons on staff at all times, had a blood bank with enough units for a mass trauma scenario, and had enough nurses/techs/etc available.

>>79177028
>If you show up to an ER with the flu and no insurance they're going to direct you to the nearest flee clinic.

Paramedic here, this is a lie. Hospitals are legally obligated to provide you with the necessary care, hence why they bill you afterward. County hospitals in big cities will often waive the bill if you meet the financial requirements, they even provide healthcare for illegal immigrants without documentation. If Americans understood the hundreds of billions illegals cost them in healthcare annually there would be riots.

>>79176518
Untrue. They still have to give you emergency treatment even if you don't have insurance.

>>79175570
if you removed non-whites, American healthcare would rank among the world's best.

>>79177141
This is liberal tv. Everything should be free except i should be paid 60 an hour.

>>79177131
You've already got a hole in your body, man. It's all mushed together, but it's definitely still a gaping gap in your natural defenses.

>sir, this is a vet

>>79175206
I hope so, let the blacks bleed out.
They'll just end up shooting each other again

I'm a Nurse Practitioner in America. Ask me anything.

>>79177260
Hows it feel being a male nurse?

>>79177260
Hi, Dean.

>>79175256
Every hospital is equipped to handle gunshots, at least to the point of stabilizing, stopping bloodloss, and with lesser cases removing the bullet, stapling veins and closing/sewing the wound.
Advanced cases, like multiple gunshot wounds, headshots, rifle wounds, partial or full limb loss due to gunshots are a different story. They won't turn a GSV away at the door, they treat, stabilize do what they can and then send off to a specialist/another hospital down the line if they have to.
Sucking chest wounds like that kid has are fairly basic tier, it would depend more on severity of exit wound and how long he's been injured

>>79177260
How big are your tits
How many firemen railed you
Did you work in the ED
Do doctors respect you
Do PAs respect you
Was getting your BSN difficult, did you do it while working
t. The paramedic spamming the thread

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>be American
>go to school
>get shot
>go to work
>get shot
>go to mall
>get shot
>go to movies
>get shot
>go to hospital
>get bankrupted
>go run a marathon
>get blown up

>>79177394
>be german
>get raped by refugees and then murdered

>>79177141
>hospital staffing is expensive
I work in medical supply distribution. It's not *just* the staffing, you'd be disgusted at how expensive some of this stuff is just at cost.

>>79177394
>yuropoors crying about flesh wounds
It's seriously not that big of a deal.

>>79177330
Well, nurse practitioner is a step above but I was once a nurse. It was fine. Lots of cute coworkers and girls in my school programs. I'm glad I'm an NP though since I'm doing less grunt work.

>>79177347
Sorry, buddy. I'm not Dean. But tell him I said hi too, would you?

>>79177358
I'm a guy so not very big tits.
No firemen yet.
No, but I did a rotation through ED while in school. I work in the ICU.
PA's and NP's get along fine at my hospital. We're equally paid and our job descriptions are essentially the same.
BSN was difficult only because there are a lot of tests. But looking back, it really wasn't that bad. If you want to do it, you easily can. I know people who did med lab sciences and what they saw was, in my opinion, harder and they get paid less than nurses.

>>79176075
Depends on the department. Cops have less leeway in applying TQ's anyway. They better be on the line with Paramedics before they do it.
As for other shit in an IFAK, like a NCD, nah, I doubt anyone would give a cop authorization

>>79175206
This is just MISS OBAMACARE YET ;D??

>>79175256
>Not every hospital is equipped to handle every type of ailment

but it's the most common type of injury in US, every hospital should be equipped to handle it

>>79175206
I'm pretty sure every hospital in Chicago is capable of handling gunshot victims. That's probably where they get the most business.

>>79176697
This is what Trump is talking about when he say fixing health care. Fixing prices because these faggots keep upping costs because insurance will cover it willy nilly.

>>79177509
Yeah Americans get shot several times every day. It's nothing.

>>79177458
Thanks for the reply, I'm on my way out of being a medic, fuck 24s and fuck the hood rats waking me up at 2 am with their bullshit.
I've wanted to go through the PA route but the school length is scaring me away, so I think I will get my BSN.
>one rotation in the ED
Jeeze man, that's where the fun is.

>>79176898

credit is another very american thing, do you have credit even if you dont have a credit card? what if you dont have a credit card? which someone so poor as to be in this situation might not

I know its uncommon not to since I've heard americans saying I need to get a credit card to get some good credit to be able to rent this apartment and shit like that

>>79176992

u wot m8? that doesnt apply in reality (DNR doesnt apply to if you don't need resuscitating, just badly injured) or metaphorically (you cant rob someones house if they dont have a sign up saying dont rob me when I'm out) or theoretically (obviously no one would say let me die so I dont have to get debt)

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>>79175398
>designated gunshot hospital

>>79177464
>hurr durr the limb will die in seconds!!!!111

Don't tell me people still believe this.

>>79177559
Dude go do PA school. You have tons of experience as a medic probably and you would probably make a good candidate. PA's originally were old army medics who had tons of medical knowledge but couldn't go to school for years and years to be a doctor. Look at the PA school near you at what undergrad prerequisites they require and go do it. Trust me you would thank me in the end.

At my hospital, PA's and NP's make six figures easy with some experience. You won't have that kind of autonomy and money as a nurse.

>>79175206
>Finally get to the designated gunshot hospital
>no surgeon will operate because they don't want a mark on their record

>>79176892
Some countries will cover up to a certain amount anyway, usually it's small. You will be advised to seek all follow on care in your home country.
If you say got shot, they would stabilize you and treat you (whether there or in another hospital) to the point where you can be released. You'll be in pain and get pain meds, they would advise you to seek follow on care/surgery/rehabilitation in your home country and would give you doctors letters/etc.
Basically the bare minimum to get you out the door, whether it be walking or on a wheelchair

>>79176485

the wallet biopsy of course.

>>79177559
Also, nah, ED was too crazy for me. Too many weirdos and the patient load was fucked. I went to the ICU because most of my patients can't speak, aren't conscious, and don't complain. :^)

>>79177458
>nurse practitioner

What is this, you are not a doctor you don't have your own patients you just boss other nurses around? Steal meds that shit?

>>79177749
Imagine a doctor as Batman and NPs as Robin.

We can prescribe, we can see patients, and we and treat patients. A percentage of our patient charts are then reviewed by the supervising doctor who can then counsel on what to do next. We have a Masters degree and usually have prior experience in the medical field. I personally worked as a nurse for 4 years before becoming an NP.

>>79177728
>can't speak, can't complain, are unconscious

Can't argue with those points. I would go the PA route but I have a kid already, I really don't have the ability to juggle work, family, and competitive learning, because let's be real PA schools are saturated with apps.

>>79177725
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7CVXO2pBLc

fucking hell this shit is real? And this is what good insurance is?

>>79177813
You'd be surprised at how many applicants have no real clinical background though. I understand if you can't but I still strongly encourage you to think about going the PA route. Nursing is fun but it's a fucking bitch some days. I haven't had as many ups and downs not as I did during a nurse. I think I maybe had more fun days at work as a nurse but I definitely had more shit days.

>>79177665
Medical proffessionals wont, the idiots who make the rules in PD's are a different story. It's better to be on the line with a Paramedic anyway so you have somone to corroborate your statement/back you in court, and also so they know the TQ time and can walk you through further treatment. Sometimes a TQ isn't enough, a Paramedic can walk you through a pressure dressing/gauze as well - and he's jogging all this shit down
-quickclot/hemcon/gauze applied x time
-TQ applied x time at x limb
-pressure dressing/ITB/dressing applied at x time

If all of this comes to a head and the cop has to sit in front of a review board or god forbid in a court room now he has statements from a medical professional who advised him on the scene, as well as his partners testimony

>>79177509
I thought that was diabetes, heart attacks, or something else related lol. Unless you're black or a disgrace to your hard-working immigrant parents, getting shot isn't a typical thing.

>>79177813
Put the wife back to work

>>79178008
Those aren't injuries dumbass.

>>79178086
hip and leg fractures are by far the most common injuries.

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>>79175398

>DESIGNATED GUNSHOT HOSPITAL

top kek

>>79177896
Sounds like being a paramedic, got to cardiovert a guy yesterday which was awesome, but for every great call there are 10 bullshit ones.

>>79178178
From being old, and/or fat KEK.

While there isn't technically a debtor's prison, you're all forgetting:

Most good employers won't hire people with tens of thousands of dollars of outstanding debt, ESPECIALLY if it's in non-payment status.

This is also forgetting wage garnishment.

You won't go to prison, but you can easily end up on the street or eating a bullet.

>>79175398
>designated gunshot hospital
amerilards will defend this

>>79178257

I think I know that kid.

>>79175398

DESIGNATED

yes the other day I suffered a severe laceration and the hospital told me I'd have to leave the state to get it sewed shut.

When I asked why they said it was because this was a second amendment supporting state. So they ONLY treat gunshot wounds and not stabs or cuts.

When I finally got to the stabbing hospital they told me I was now an indentured servant because my insurance wasn't good enough

oh well another day in the land of the free.