Were the Cardassians in the wrong? Were the Cardassians wrong?

>>79160287
I bet you voted trump.

>>79160287
>With every rewatch I honestly hate the Bajorans more and more.
They were the ones being occupied, their resources strip mined, their population forced into slave labor
Stop being an edge lord

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>>79160287
yes and no to both

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>Be Cardassian
>Recognize that Bajorans are a primitive race who still worship gods and pray to some retarded orbs
>Occupy their low technology planet and leave behind hospitals, roads, and a multitude of new technologic advancements
>All you ask for is that they pay their debts and show respect
>They revolt and kill you for it

Cardassians have done LITERALLY nothing wrong

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>>79160287

Dukat takes Sisko, Worf, Odo and O'Brien disguised as Klingons to go expose the Changeling responsible for the last year of warfare on his own species. And Dukat still jumps into bed less than a month or so later with the Dominion.

No, the Cardassians did nothing right. That was the whole point of their near-annihilation at the end of the series.

>>79160287
I was annoyed that the whole bajoran religion was actually true.

>>79160478
Late seasons Dukat was quite honestly a retarded cartoon-tier villain.

Really poorly handled how he just degraded personality wise like that.

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How many lights?

>>79160594
lame 1984 ripoff

>>79160680
lame contrarian opinion

>>79160680
>I've never read 1984

>>79160330
But they had faggoty earrings

God Marc Alaimo(Dukat) has the sexiest voice I've ever heard. Wish he got more work both in TV and Vidya.

>>79160695
>I don't agree, he must be contrarian!
>>79160697
sucks to be (you)

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>>79160762
He's got such a great grizzled look, he should have got more roles in general.

>>79160287
The only thing wrong that cardassians ever did was not killing all the bajorans.

Also dukat was a degenerate pervert who enjoyed bajoran women.

>>79160810
Hes built like a scarecrow though.

>>79160792
>this highly regarded episode is actually bad!
>Star Trek paying homage to a classic? that never happened before!

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Why are Bashir and O'Brien allowed to go fight in the Alamo on their DS9 downtime? Even though it's just a holosuite recreation it feels as real as real life itself. Wouldn't they get PTSD or maybe some other type of combat related illness that might interfere with their day job?

>>79160961
Do you get PTSD from playing Call of Duty?

>>79160961
I doubt playing FPS games on the holodeck can make you as scared as really being at war as long as you know you're in a holodeck and can't actually get hurt.

And Miles would probably love a real war too, Jewls would poop his turban though.

>>79160961
>Bashir, genehanced, getting PTSD
>O'Brian, been through 100 hells, getting PTSD

Nah, don't think so bud

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>>79160961

>>79160952
It's okay, you can admit you just liked Picards ottermode.

>>79160287
They are wrong because they are perennial LOSERS. Seriously, they are slightly above Kazons in terms of space fleets and are basically Space North Korea. In the end, they felt the half chub force of Fed lazy wrath. Were they really up against a truely angry Fed, the entire Cardassian system would be subspaced by a million tri-cobalt torpedoes by now.

>>79161021
Miles is a fucking warrior indeed. 235 combat assignments, no issues at all, they had to put a 20 year prison sentence and memories of him being a murderer in his head to phase him at all, and he got over that in a couple of days.

>>79160287

The cardassians believed themselves superior.

They claimed to have superior technology, training, nuclear family and even a superior education system.

This is all to cover the mass inadequacy and insecurity from being driven back by people they had so utterly in their thrall before. They were beaten by fewer numbers with less resources that planned everything under their noses.

So yeah they were in the wrong simply because they were the losers. They were demonstrably wrong.

They tried to feign strength by submitting themselves to another culture. Which is hilarious. They attempted to gain strength by giving themselves to those they perceived as the strongest.

The Bajorans were right because they were stronger. They were stronger because they never gave in, they never quit.

If might makes right, like the Cardassians seem to think, then the Bajorans were right.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVHR0UPHERQ

>What you call genocide I call a day's work

>>79161039
>Time's Orphan

Easily the worst episode of DS9.

>Whoa my daughter grew up in an apocalyptic wasteland
>should we use any of the myriad of medical and psychological breakthroughs we have had over the last 400 years and countless contact with other, more advanced species to help her?
>Nah, just send her back, we have another kid already

Star Trek is always at its worst when it has to ignore the fact that they live in the future.

>>79161241
I doubt there have been many breakthroughs in domesticating feral children, that doesn't happen now never mind 400 years from now.

>>79160330
They were an inferior race, still worshiping sky wizards in an age where you can travel from star system to star system within a few days.

The Cardassians took this burdensome race upon themselves, and gave it everything.

In return they merely wanted some resources (which the Bajorans probably never even knew existed in the first place) and some land.

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After showing Sisko the faked Dominion meeting, Garak said he would be along to his quarters "to say hello".

What did Garak mean by this?

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>>79161353

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Friendly reminder that Dukat did nothing wrong.

>>79161274
She was 10 when she got left there, and was only there for like 8 or 9 years.

They easily could have rehabilitated her. Hell, they even mention a facility to send her to but the O'Brians thought "eh, too much time."

>>79161405
what about that time he started a cult and cucked that Bajoran guy then told him it was still his son

>>79160594
5 I think.

>>79161405
>literally Space Satan
>did nothing wrong

>>79160411
>Recognize that Bajorans are a primitive race who still worship gods and pray to some retarded orbs

orbs that let them talk to aliens that live out of time and can tell them the future

>>79161609
why didn't it tell them they were gonna get cucked by Cardassia then

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>>79161039
obrien also suffered in bada bing bada bang

cassidy leaves him to casino security for a cavity search while everyone else celebrates

>>79161241
No what makes it the worst episode is that from the very beginning they should've just used the portal to get mollys younger self from the past but because the first time they tried they were late they gave up and their excuse for not trying again was bullshit.

The reason they condemned their daughter to 10 years of solitude and psychological damage on an alien planet was because going back in time and preventing it from happening would cause the version of her that endured the 10 years of solitude to not exist which is the same as condoning her being trapped there.

The problem with this episode is really that time travel solves all problems so all the characters had to act stupid to manufacture an episode.

>>79161623
>still believes in the bajoran "occupation" even after their own gods supposedly gave no fucks.

>>79161609
Talking to the orbs isn't communicating with the prophets, if it was then they would have known who Quark was before he showed up to the wormhole.

>>79160810
I loved his bit-part in Naked Gun 33 1/3

>>79161623
if they did the events would have gone differently and they would have never met Sisko The Prophet centuries later

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OP is talking about a show about a shopping mall in outer space that has a "captain."

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The Bajorans are shitheads
The Cardassians were still completely in the wrong.
Ezri did nothing wrong.

>>79160478
Honestly I feel like Dukat taking over and getting Cardassia into the Dominion was probably one of his more excusable actions. Cardassia was pretty much cursed by virtue of “geography” and would have been conquered by the Dominion before the Federation could help them. Also its not Cardassia contributed very much to the wargiven they never fully recovered from the last one, and I think even the Federation realized this which is why they dont really hesitate to keep back channels open, especially since they at least knew that Dukat probably wasnt replaced by a changeling, which I think was an important reason he did what he did.

>>79160287
I'm on season 2 of DS9, and I love the Cardassians.

The Bajorans are fucking useless.

I just wanna eat Kira's asshole.

>>79160287
Kim Cardassian lmao

>>79160526
It wasnt really though. The prophets werent gods just weird aliens. If anything I think they always considered that explanation to be really insulting and blasphemous.

>>79165163

It made sense at the time but was obviously short sighted.

We all know that Damar was the true hero of the war and deserved better.

>>79161241
Like Sisko being asspained about 20th century racism.

>>79165324

Considering how in general Sisko is in love with the past I can understand it.

>>79161405
>didn't kill all the bajorans
>actually fucked bajoran women on regular basis
>didn't fucking abort the fetus when one got pregnant

He was a traitor Cardassia and its because of him that they lost.

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There is only one good Cardassian.

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Am I the only one who thinks that Cardie women are p qt?

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>>79165481

Yes and you should feel bad.

>>79165501
I like their blue spoons.

>>79165187
I would Visit her Nana.

>>79165228
Naw, Damar pretty much just got drunk and went with the flow of events the entire series. Even his final “betrayal” of the dominion didnt happen until they were already losing the war and didnt accomplish much other than get a lot of cardassians killed needlessly because it was so uncoordinated. What Damar needed to be doing was keeping Dukat focused and his personality issues in check.

>>79165631

>didn't accomplish much
>Literally turned around the final space battle where the Alliance was losing and allowed them to beat the Dominion
>Allowed them to capture a Founder and force her to negotiate with Odo to end the war

You call that "not much"?

>>79165675
The dominion was already losing by that point, because they couldnt bring more reinforcements through the wormhole and their last trump card, the Breen tech, was already exhausted. They knew the Cardassian contribution was worthless already which is why they were totally sidelined in favor of the Breen. Maybe if Damar had coordinated ahead of time the Federation could have bypassed the defenses and ended the war without their even needing to be a battle, but they were going to win regardless.

Logistically, the Dominion War made no sense.


Hell, space warfare as depicted in Star Trek makes no sense.

>>79166108

Yeah it always ends up like normal naval warfare on a 2D plane. I think Ender's Game is one of the few sci-fi movies/shows I've seen that actually did space battles well.

>>79165537
you think those are erogenous zones?

>>79166174

Cardassians don't have erogenous zones, they are incapable of feeling pleasure.

>>79160961
O'Brien spent years smashing Cardassian infants under his boot heel. A bunch of Mexicans aren't gonna phaser him.

>>79165341
He's just autistic about historical realism and didn't like how the holodeck program was glossing over something.

>any damage the ship takes has to be reflected on the bridge

I understand why they chose to do this but it still feels ridiculous.

>random fuse blows up
>THE CAPTAIN'S DEAD

>>79165341
>>79166336
He is /tv/ complaining about black people in an Egyptian movie.
>Egypt was white! YOU CAN'T DO THAT!

Everyone talks about VOY ruining the Borg, which they did, but why didn't the Borg care more about the ship? It was melding tech with biology relatively seemlessly. That should have been a plot point instead of unimatrix zero.

>>79166127
Star Trek has always been very allegorical with a very naval theme, so I think its excusable in this case. Behind all the techo-babble the actual science has always been very elementary, not really the focus of the story.

>>79166767

And I get that which is why I don't really care. But still I watch something like Ender's Game where they attack from all angles and use crazy patterns and think "Why can't they do something more like that?"

>>79161279
>and gave it everything
This is a bad thing, the prime directive was made specifically to guard against it. Just because helping out seems like a good idea at the time, that doesn't mean the long term effects caused by it will be a net positive.

Just look at what happens on Earth when a primitive civilization is suddenly thrust into the modern era, with all the politics and technology that brings.

Childhood is idolizing Bajor
Adulthood is realizing Cardassia makes so much more sense.

>>79166961

Not even. All Cardies are Tardies.

>>79167003
Well, lesser of two tards is still a tard. But still.

>>79167026
Enlightenment is realizing the Ferengi were right.

>>79167043
>Ancaps
>right

I'm sorry, which Rule of Acquisition was the NAP?

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Weapons Grade Autism incoming:

Alright so the episode "Rules of Acquisition" in season 2 is the first time we ever hear about the Dominion. If you need a refresher, it's the episode where the ferengi woman disguises herself as a man and the Grand Nagus sends them to the Gamma Quadrant to negotiate with the silly face paint aliens for some tulaberries.

But what they of course find out is that it was just a setup by the Nagus to get Quark to find out what he could about the Dominion. They're only mentioned by name, you don't see them, and the episode doesn't go any further with it. Pretty neat.

But then a few episodes later, in "Sanctuary", we learn that the oatmeal people were subjugated for 800 years by this other race on their homeworld in the Gamma Quadrant, until that race was conquered by the Dominion, which sends them scattered throughout space (inb4 MUH REFUGEES).

So when the oatmeal lady mentions to Sisko and crew that their oppressors were conquered by the Dominion, Dax and Sisko look at each other like "oh shit".

How the flying fuck would they have even known about the Dominion??? At this point, only the Grand Nagus and Quark really know about them.

Is there something I missed? I've been watching the episodes, but it just seems like lazy writing to me.

>>79161279
Or the Cardassians could have traded peacefully with the Bajorans like the Federation does and both would have better off.

>>79167098

Ferengi aren't Ancap. They believe in rules.

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>>79167043
>tells his son constantly how evil and vile humons are
>immediately plots to enslave their species using superior technology when he's sent back to Earth's past

Come to Quark's, Quark's is fun!

>>79167133

Quark is friends with most of the DS9 crew, not unreasonable to think he talked to them since they wouldn't interfere with his business shit.

>>79167204
His nephew, sorry

>>79163449
Where's a paul blart edit with Odo then?

>>79167204
Quark is a massive hypocrite, that's an establishing character trait

>>79161543

the last season is not real. its a coput because they were being cancelled

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>>79165481
They can breed like Salamanders.

>>79167043
The Ferengi were treated totally schizophrenically by the DS9 writers, to the point where it became a joke how blatently contradictory the rules of aquisition were. The show would have been so much better if they got rid of Rom and had Quark actually follow a consistent logic instead of making it up as the story required.

>>79167133
Does their "Oh shit" reaction imply they know it is the Dominion?

I forget the specifics of that episode so I don't know what is or isn't implied.

>>79167626
You don't really care though do you?

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>>79165481
I think women look hotter in Cardie makeup. Case in point.

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Commander, tell me about your sexual organs.

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what the fuck did JJ abrams mean by this

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>>79161021
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>>79169217
Rather Ocampan.

>>79166371
They could do something better these days, imagine if all the panels at the back of the bridge were showing the ship status in a massve readable way, or a giant cross-section of the ship and parts of it go red as they get damaged and alarms going off and such.

That's another thing that bugged me, they have a beep for every button press with LCARs but literally one alert sound which can mean red alert or abandon ship.

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So... I lied. I cheated. I bribed men to cover the crimes of other men. I am an accessory to murder. But the most damning thing of all... I think I can live with it. And if I had to do it all over again - I would. Garak was right about one thing: a guilty conscience is a small price to pay for the safety of the Alpha Quadrant. So I will learn to live with it... Because I can live with it... I can live with it.

Why the hell did this thread just die

Reminder that sexual organsposter is from New Zealand

>>79167220
>Quark is friends with most of the DS9 crew
Yes
>not unreasonable to think he talked to them
No. Dude if it involves him plotting or scheming something that's even remotely suspicious he plays the fool and keeps his mouth shut. That's why it grinded my autism that suddenly everyone just knew who the dominion were.

>>79167661
Yeah they shoot each other knowing glances, as if to say "Oh shit, it's these big bad guys we keep hearing about".

>>79166477
I think the writers forgot, and if those bioneural gel packs did anything except cause problems they didn't make it clear in the show

>>79169342
He didn't realize Starfleet isn't military

>>79169988
>>79169342
Abramsverse Starfleet is more militaristic. The whole Narada thing, you know.

>>79160762
He has the same last name as me, fuckin nuts.

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>>79167133
DS9 loved foreshadowing

>And I thought the Breen were annoying

>>79160961
That leads me to want to ask what is it like when you die in a game on the holodeck?

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>>79167133
Near the end of the episode:

>Lieutenant, ready for another night of tongo?
>Haven't you lost enough for one day?
>I don't know what you're talking about
>I'm talking about Pel. She came to see me before she left. I'm going to miss her. So are you.

Pel obviously told Dax off-screen, those lines also confirm Quark didn't tell anyone.

>>79160287
I hate them with each rewatch too

The Bajorans are just so whiny

>MUH PROPHETS
>MUH OCCUPATION
>MUH SPACE SAILBOATS
>MUH ORBS

It doesnt help that Kira is always hysterical whenever anything about the occupation is brought up and that every one one in the Vedict Assembly seems to be a corrupt asshole


Fuck Bajorans

>>79160961
Why do senior officers at the most critical base in a fucking war have so much free time

At the height of the Dominion war it seems like they spent 90% of their time in the bar

Don't they have fucking work to do?

>>79170289
That's up to whoever wrote the program. All we know for sure is if they hadn't written what happens if you die, the program will stop.

I'd imagine in a historical re-enactment holoprogram that ends with you dying like the Alamo it would be like the end of Blackadder, or some kind of memorial to the dead.

>>79170350
You know what, that's acceptable. Thank you anon.

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>>79160287

You will never marry a conniving Cardassian woman looking out for two things: herself and your human ass.

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>>79170366
Orbs are just tinfoil rotating on a pedestal with lights attached to the rear of the case, the Vedeks all have dermal micro-adhesives on their thumbs which they use to inject LSD directly into your ear before letting you see one.

You can read more about this and other facts in my upcoming manifesto "On The Bajoran And Their Lies"

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Just got done with Voyager.

Had to skip most episodes to actually tolerate watching it. Only watched episodes above 7.5 rating on IMDB.

The only great characters were 7o9 and the Doctor. I liked Tuvok also. Everyone else sucked. I'm repeating common opinion here but yeah, they really shouldn't have turned it into TNG 2.0. The entire thing should have been a 3-4 season "Year of Hell", with the original reason of their arrival in the Delta quadrant being wrapped throughout the series in a great mystery involving the Borg and who knows what, all resolved over the course of the series.

That last episode was truly fucking abysmal. Absolute shit way to end the series.

Oh well, time for Enterprise

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>>79170540
> Species mixing

>>79170641
You didn't just get done with Voyager if you skipped episodes.

>>79170650
>Not wanting a hot vulcan wife
I'm pretty sure it's established that human-vulcan offspring are the master race

>>79170574
What were they in reality? Shitty CGI or aluminium with some lights?

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>>79170650

>not wanting a stable vulcan wife with no drama or issues beyond how to race your qt mix breeds and every 7 years she turns into a goddamn sex fiend.

>>79170666
I'm done with it though.

>>79170641
Just got done skimming through Voyager*

>>79170698
You could convince her to get really good at sex normally because logic dictates your physical needs be satisfied for a healthy relationship to prosper.

It's only logical after all.

>>79170692
I've never seen it confirmed but if you look closely it's pretty clearly tin foil and lights, shot once rotating quickly clockwise and then again slowly anti-clockwise and the two takes were superimposed on each other.

So, both I guess.

>>79170704
No you're not.

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>>79160287

>>79170747
Undoubtedly, but the Pon farr is a biological urge, so you get regular sex, then every seven years you get your pelvis fractured.

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>>79170540
>>79170698
>not wanting a superior Klingon par'mach kai

>>79170289
Presumably respawn, or load a previous save. Why would you expect it to work differently? Anyways, a game like the Battle of Britain one would presumably have some kind of handicap for the players because otherwise it would suck to do months of training only to be taken by surprise and die in the first mission. Alamo could have been more realistic.

>>79170672
>>79170698
How do Vulcans and Humans view halfbreeds ?

>>79170028
>one isolated event makes the entire Federation abandon their non-violent core ideals

Cmon the Dominion was a bigger threat, and not even fighting an actual war with them resulted in the ideals of Starfleet changing

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>>79170970
FIND THE HALFLINGS

>>79170970

humans seem cool with it. Vulcans as always have a higher standard to maintain.

>>79170970
Depends on the individual the collective people are tolerant but they still have asses in the era of Trek.

>>79171005
Being more militaristic =/= abandoning peace. It's like how the Federation in the Prime Timeline began making dedicated warships and their other ships more suitable for combat after Wolf 359, they discovered some threats can't be solved with happy-happy joy-joy.

>>79171005
I dont even think JJ Abrams knows what the Dominion War is. Honestly, its kind of obvious they were trying to get away from all that, so calling Abrams out for getting this bit wrong is like complaining Michael Dorn wasnt in the new movies.

>>79161048
who doesn't?

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I just can't get into DS9 no matter how much I tried:

>Odo can be whatever he chooses to be, yet he picks a fire victim look
>fuck Ferengis, all of them to the youngest, literal shit-tier race always forcing memes about money and profit
>did I mention the Ferengis having the worst space alien design ever?
>I can't get rid of claustrophobia caused by the lack of interstellar traveling, sorry
>Sisko simply - sucks

Meanwhile I'm eating up all things Voyager despite it being silly.

>>79171512
turbo pleb

>>79171539
>hey, if we rip-off the modern relations and UN negotiations and put them into the show, you think anyone will notice?
>t. DS9 writing team

>>79171631

>It's a Bajorians are Bosnians and Cardassians are Serbs episode.

>>79171512
>Odo can be whatever he chooses to be, yet he picks a fire victim look
He specifically states on multiple occasions that he tries to mimic a humanoid appearance but he hasn't mastered it yet.
>fuck Ferengis, all of them to the youngest, literal shit-tier race always forcing memes about money and profit
mmk.
>did I mention the Ferengis having the worst space alien design ever?
k.
>I can't get rid of claustrophobia caused by the lack of interstellar traveling, sorry
What the fuck is wrong with you? Are you actually retarded?
>Sisko simply - sucks
Wrong.

>>79171512
>>Odo can be whatever he chooses to be, yet he picks a fire victim look
It's because he's shit at shapeshifting into a human, he's only been sentient for a few years.
>fuck Ferengis, all of them to the youngest, literal shit-tier race always forcing memes about money and profit
They all develop as characters, every single one.
>did I mention the Ferengis having the worst space alien design ever?
Why? And what does that mean? They're not space aliens, they're swamp aliens that invented space travel.
>I can't get rid of claustrophobia caused by the lack of interstellar traveling, sorry
They go out in runabouts all the time, and get their own starship later too
>Sisko simply - sucks
He grows on you when he stops being a whiny baby and starts being a badass

>>79171744
>they're swamp aliens that invented space travel

they bought the technology.

>>79171773
They bought warp drives, they probably wouldn't have drawn the attention of interstellar merchants until they had some form of sub-light space travel because until they did, they wouldn't have anything the traders would want.

>>79160287
The Cardassians were the benevolent Space White Europeans, while the Bajorans areh Savage Space Black Africans.

>>79171512
>cant get into a show where legit every episode is 7/10 or more and every single main cast character is fully developped and even three side characters are given more development than troi or crusher

>>79171744
>they're swamp aliens that invented space travel.
nope they bought it

Greko was one of the first Ferengi to conduct business away from Ferenginar, working on a Ridorian merchant ship. In the course of his service, Greko saved his captain's life when their vessel was attacked by a Klingon Bird-of-Prey and as a reward he was given a substantial fortune. With his profits Greko purchased a warp drive from a Breen and returned to Ferenginar to usher in the beginning of the Ferengi's exploits as interstellar tradesmen.

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>>79171710
Jesus Christ

>>79171912

Not every mind was designed to handle these changing dynamics.

>>79171912
>every episode is 7/10 or more
You've either got your blinders on high or incredibly low standards.

>>79171925
see
>>79171811

That sounds like an EU novel, is it any good?

>>79169741
>Reminder that sexual organsposter is from New Zealand

Are there a lot of MtF trans-people there?
I would loik ta' vacation there some toim.

>>79170641
Making an opinion on something like taking select bites out of an omelet because other people said so isn'tof an omelete because othmeans you can't have an opinion on that omelet.

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>>79169741

>>79171512
All the rest might be true but Sisko is pretty based. You gotta remember he has way less experience than the other captains and was basically given a backwater R&R assignment.

>>79171925
If I write a DS9 novel and it's printed in paperback is it automatically canon?
Is that how easy it is, just write your own fanfic and get it printed?

ENT was the best trek.

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>>79172173
>What the hell is this, Commander?

>>79171912
>>cant get into a show where legit every episode is 7/10

I love DS9 but you are really pushing it with that one. First three seasons is absolutely overflowing with 5-6/10s a few fours and a couple of 1-3s.

I remember when I was a kid and DS9 was airing. My dad called it Deep Asleep by 9.

Was he a pleb?

>>79172337
no, most of the novels are not canon, some are though. you'd need to look up the individual book to know.

>>79172443
Your dad was a fucking patrician. He knew how comfy it was.

>>79172443

Deep Sleep by 9*

>>79172337
There are no canon Star Trek books, that's why there's a Memory Alpha/Beta distinction

>>79172456
>you'd need to look up the individual book to know.

Fuck off you literal child. That's just opinion now. The novels are not canon because anyone can write one and all you need is to get it printed.

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>>79171512
Sisko was a bad ass. He didn't take any shit, even from omnipotent beings.

>>79172443
extremely, but that is a pretty funny name i'll give him that. My father hated DS9 and I used to watch it religiously, it was what got me into Trek. He would always try to watch it but had terrible luck with episodes he decided to pay attention to. He stopped trying after seeing that especially bad one where quark goes back in time to roswell.

If I were to write a Vulcanfu x human novel, with pure waifu faggotry using, say, pateron, would I be swimming in the nerd bux?

>>79172503
You edited it.
He originally says "I'm not a white man!"

>>79172491
no, some are recognised by the show's writers as canon wheras others are not. they have power over it.

>>79172518

My dad preferred Voyager for obvious reasons and especially Stargate. That was a comfy time to watch Stargate as it aired with your dad, snacking on chips and ice cream

>>79172503
this was great so see honestly, especially as someone who think's Q is an overused fuck most of the time.

>>79172561
fucking berman. it was a different time.

Are Qs the most powerful beings in all of known ST universe?

>>79172575
>no, some are recognised by the show's writers as canon wheras others are not. they have power over it.

No, that's not how it works and I've never heard of a writer saying the books are canon and even if he did what if another writer didn't? Please stop replying and go eat a bullet.

>>79172590
my father loved TOS, TNG and really enjoyed Doctor Who during the Tennant years. He and I used to watch the BSG reboot as well. Damn we had good times with doritos and scifi.

>>79172637
no u

>>79172625
well, remember the squire from that TOS episode? he basically had power comparable to Q and then some weirdass green things took him away, obviously having some form of power over him. Now, we never saw those green dudes again but there's no way to tell how they are in comparison to a Q.

>>79172735
Okay, cite to me a writer that did say any of the books were canon. Oh, and then explain to me how that writer's opinion on it supercedes all of the hundreds of other writers who wrote for Star Trek.

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>>79172816
:^ )

>>79172816
im not genuinely arguing with you anymore mate, i gave a 'no u'.

>>79172970
>>79172971

Look, if you just wanted to bump the thread, don't pretend. Let's actually talk about Star Trek.

>>79172215
Goddam, The Doomsday Machine was a good episode. One of the absolute best TOS had to offer.

Just wanted to get that out of the way based on your pic.

>>79173017
okay, friend, let's talk about star trek. what specifically do you want to talk about? vulcan vaginas? andorian anuses?

What was the Borg's end game. Okay, they assimilate every race in the the galaxy. What next in their master plan? Crashing the Milky Way with no survivors?

>>79173042
my all time favorite was probably Tomorrow Is Yesterday.

>>79173080
1) noice meme
2) they believe themselves to be perfect, so they want all life in the galaxy perfect. That task is ongoing so they never really think about what to do after.

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>He hasn't read A Stich in Time by Andrew Robinson

what's your excuse, pleb?

>>79173068

Look it.. I'm not saying that some of the novels wouldn't display some fairly creative and enjoyable stories. But if a novelist decides he wants to retcon a series through his little story about some Ferengi entrepeneur, fine. I'm okay with that. But until it hits a screen with IRL actors and musical backdrops, duht duht dah etc. etc. then it's just all hypothetical what-ifs.

Now go and post more TOS, I haven't seen all of it and BBCAmerica is airing it now.

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http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Richard_K._Berman

Really, Berman?

>>79172503
clip is here if anyone's interested
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_NQnac8Abk

>>79166218
Then why do they rape?

>>79173080
Same thing Vejur did, probably.

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>>79172561

No, no he doesn't.

>>79173080

To move beyond the galaxy in further search of perfection. What the Borg don't seem to realize is that perfection is unattainable so the search never ends.

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>>79170770
looks like they were plastic or resin

>>79161180

borjan women were sluts

>>79161279
And then it turned out there were sky wizards.

>>79160287
dc

Dukat did L I T E R A L L Y nothing wrong, except:
>That time he should've exterminated every Bajoran, but didn't
>Those times he fucked Bajoran women and had Carbajoranletts with them
>That time he thought he could get help from godlike beings
>That time he fucked Kai Winn

>>79173920
Resin is plastic.

Great show. The worst aspects of it are the Prophets and the Dominion war. Everything else is top notch.

>>79174762
>The worst aspects of it
>the Dominion war

Out.

>>79160680
>lame
>one of the best Picard episodes

2+2 does equal 5 with you i see

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>>79174762

The Dominion War helped define DS9. It gave it a rich tapestry upon which the characters' respective arcs could be woven.

This opinion of yours is terrible and/or bait. Delete your post.

>>79174932
>>79175745
I dunno. I just thought that the Dominion was a dull and uncreative faction. The Founders are running a collective like the Borgs and the Jem'hadar are like a poor mans Klingons.

I was just underwhelmed that here would be more of the same at the other side of the galaxy.

>>79175928
>I was just underwhelmed that here would be more of the same at the other side of the galaxy.
>The Founders are running a collective like the Borgs.

Yes, I too will mistake the color Blue for Burnt Sienna at times.

>>79175997
Okay, what's so interesting about the Dominion?

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>it's an Odo doesn't transform into anything because it's not in the budget episode

>>79171512
DS9 is a meme by contrarians kids that are now old enough to pass as the "old fans".

It was never popular for a reason but here on contrarian the board is the "best Star Trek series ever!". Yes, this refurbished Babylon 5 scrip is the best the franchise has always been.

It's either delusions or shit tastes or people that don't actually like Trek

>>79176087
The Jem'Hadar were genetically engineered to be slaves to the founders, this was a unique concept.
The Jem'Hadar are only like Klingons in they are best at physical and military combat. They had entire episodes on how Klingons found them to be lifeless, emotionless creatures who don't enjoy the fruits of battle and have no conception of an afterlife. Machines essentially. They are not a poor man's Klingons because of all of that.

The Vorta were also engineered and had an intriguing backstory about being pre-hominid like creatures who saved a Changeling and were rewarded to being diplomatic and shrewd. They were engineered to enjoy doing work for the Founders.

The Founders themselves were just as ruthless and aggressive as the Borg but with entirely different ends to their methods. They wanted a universe of their own where the solids could not harm them and would have them more or less as slaves their will. They could shapeshift into nearly anything and gave the entire quadrant a sense of unease not knowing if a shapeshifter was around the corner (or one of their own).

They were one of the most interesting things about the entire series to me. When the Female Changeling tells Garak that his people doomed their entire race when they attempted to kill the Founders in the Great Link on their home planet.

Not sure what else you want.

>>79161279
>still worshiping sky wizards
except in their case, they were not only real, but compared to the fedeartion, cardasians, dominion, romulans,,, they were in fact wizards, and all the races involved in DS9 were equaly inferior to them, little monkeys flying across the stars, locked inside their fleshy bodies, locked in their time streams.


>In return they merely wanted some resources
your assessement is not wrong, the cardasians didnt do much differently than Spanish Portuguese and British did with the american civilizations, any anons born in any american nation is a product of that brutal conquest.

there's no reason for guilt of reparation, as all people involved existed 30-40 generations ago, still doesnt change that what the conquerors did was brutal.

specially if you consider that bajorans werent tonga savages living off natural resources & building useless stone pyramids, they had a rich culture, arguably richer than many federation species.

I rest my case

>>79172503
that's literally every captain

Picard was making fun of him the third time they met and that's why Q sent them against the Borg to prove they were nothing

Janeway told him to piss off multiple times and only decided to help because they needed it

The only difference is the writers forgetting that being dismissive or antagonistic toward Q only makes him more interested.

Instead here we have Space Jesus punching him because we have to show how the black bull is badass when compared to others! I guess it worked on cucks like you.

>>79173259
because they understand that to rule with terror is to rule completely, they actually detest doing the rape, they just do it for the benefit of the bajorans as a whole, eventually the unending terror will break their will to resist and they will be much better off under cardasian guidance

>>79176736
/pol/ack go back to the delta quadradant you hiveminded drone

>>79175745
>arcs could be woven.

ok, but youre assuming a long arc is in itself a positive thing, when its just a type of tv series, TNG did just fine being a series of loose episodes, DS9 was probably geared towards the series-long arc concept becasue it co-existed with babylon5 tv show

reposting from the other thread bc i didnt see that this was the main one:

>I watched part of the pilot for Voyager, holy SHIT how did this garbage get greenlit? Neelix is way more annoying than I remember, he's like a proto Jar Jar Binks. Paris is completely unbelievable as some kind of playboy rogue, Kim is a boring beta (and I know he remains so throughout the series). Janeway also walks weirdly too, what's up with that?

>>79176330
I guess I just found the entire military conflict to be pretty underwhelming.

>>79176087
adding to what was said:
the borg are emotionless machines assimilating everything, the dominion are just ruthless demonions wanting to ensure their continued existence through the extermination of posible threats.

the dominion was not a hivemind, in fact if you ignore the dialogs describing The Great Link, it just looks like a very advanced civilization where the citizens are all shapeshifters with proximity-intra-telepathy (just to communicate among themselves while in physical contact, and able to carry more than one mind in a single body)

not at all like the borg, just because they are a single enemy battling all the other galactical factions.

>>79174762
the only reason i occasionally find it difficult to suspend my disbelief with the dominion, is in how little damage they did with their amazing shape shifting magic, in numerous episodes we've seen federation sensors both hand-help of ship-mounted unable to differ changeling from metal/rock/human,

only really a blood sample from a humanoid or low-wield broad-spray phaser in inanimated materials could tell them apart,

so just like today you cant board a plane carrying drug/plutonium in your pocket without being uncovered by dogs or radioactive detectors, you can still carry shit wrapped in balloons in your intestine,... there should be a shapeshifter in every damn federation station and ship with daily civilian traffic, then they should all blow up at once.

>>79176948
Everything you posted isn't even close to the worst thing about the Caretaker. The logical flaws are all over the place.
But the bigger issue I had with it was showing us the Kazon as needing the basic component of life (water) like some African street gang and then later in the pilot having supra-atmospheric starships.

>>79160961
They can probably cure PTSD in like a couple of seconds. This is like a full two three centuries after mapping the human brain, here. They'd consider it like we do a headache. Oh take two of these and call me in the morning.

>>79177362
>underwhelming.
I'm not gonna' type another three paragraphs because you don't know how to explain yourself.

>>79177515
no one asked you to do it, kill yourself you pompous fag

>>79176948
well, i guess if you got no other scifi to watch, VOY is still a comfy time waster, thats how i got to watch it, when i started it was already finished, and i just kept watching 1~2 ep per week

now theres only The Expanse and other fake scifi with no real story, just never ending clifhangesr... truyly a sad decade for sciif

>>79177545
>no one asked you to do it, kill yourself you pompous fag

I respond to the guy with a nice, solid reason as to why the Dominion could be considered interesting and he repeats the word underwhelming but doesn't explain himself.

Go cool off somewhere.

>>79177545
>no one asked you to do it,
but he is asking you, to explain yourself better.

ship fights isnt a strong point of star trek, what was underwhelming about the dominion war?

just because miles and bashir were playing in the holo suit while ppl were dying?

>>79177599
I just thought that they were boring and they didn't do anything I hadn't seen before in some other form.

>>79170289
>die in a game on the holodeck
its not the matrix son, you dont die, bullets dont perforate, blades dont cut, unless you turn safety off, in which case you can die for real

>>79166336
>He's just autistic about historical realism
He had the life and memory of a black science fiction writer at the height of the civil rights movement beamed into his head. As someone from the 24th century where racism was a distant memory, I'm sure it would leave an impression.

>>79167488
>they were being cancelled
You don't know what you're talking about. It was sold for seven seasons. Just like TNG. Voyager was the one that was tied to a network.

>>79177599
>>79177618
why are DS9 fans so arrogant and full of themselves?
the guys just didn't like it, the Dominion wasn't original or anything special as sci-fi standards go and the battles in Star Trek are only engaging when is the usual 1 vs 1

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>>79177776
>unless you turn safety off
Why was that ever an option to turn off?

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>>79177920
>>why are DS9 fans so arrogant and full of themselves?

bcuz all there threads die with no replies

>>79177933
this all makes sense, except for how two different characters can be really far away from each other on the holodeck, further away than they should be given the limits of the space

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>>79169579
My favorite meme, baby.

>>79178049
As far as I'm concerned the holodeck is just movie magic and technobabble.

>>79178049
>except for how two different characters can be really far away from each other on the holodeck
Repeat to yourself, "It's just a show" and you should really just relax.
That being said, I imagine they would just partition off a section for each character when they're not in close enough proximity to share the same space/field of view.

>>79178242
You're correct, it's a plot device for having stories take place in settings it would be too awkward to get the crew to naturally. Also just showing what recreation is like for people of the 24th century. I mean you can't just play 3D chess forever.

>>79178247
>sneak off from the main group to go to the holo-brothel
>fucking some qt borg drone
>red alert happens, holodeck turned off to save power
>everything disappears mid-cum
>cum sprays over crewmate standing nearby

>>79178336
It's a nice alternative to just having an unknown planet or timetravel everytime they want something odd to happen. I also liked how they were not coy about it and they were upfront with that it served as a bordello in DS9.

>>79160287
I dunno, but the Bajorans are the worst star trek race. The Cardassians should have wiped them out.

>>79178656
I rather liked them.

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>>79178709
Fuck off Kira.

>>79178746
I liked Kira.

>>79177933
>Why was that ever an option
because the LCARS computer system wasn't created by microsoft or apple to away user freedom.

>>79166127
>few sci-fi movies/shows I've seen that actually did space battles well.

Babylon5 space ship were often limited to travelling from one jumpgate to another, so that was the spatial limiting factor, and the capital ship battles were well scripted, with ships formation and rotation relative to the enemy lines mattered, much like in tv show Galactica and in videogame Homeworld 2 Complex Mod (where sometimes capital ships ended spread out across the battlefield because every player wants to hits the cruiser's belly with concentrated frigate laser beams for a killing blow

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>>79167133
>oatmeal people

>>79170419
Bending spoon-heads is thirsty work

>>79170641
>Skipping any voyager
>actually using imdb as a guide

fucking casuals back to plebit with you.

how is it possible to develop taste in any regard, or to build opinions about things if you just take everyone else's word for it and don't actually try it?

if that's how you move through your life you should probably kys

>>79171512
I'll agree DS9 was sup par, I'm watching it slowly and fall asleep more often then I should be

But dirty latinum-goblins are supposed to be repulsive. Literally designed to be annoying

And yeah sisko sucks. I hate the way he spoke, always over acting or something

HUUUUURPP DEEEE DUUURRRP JUMBALAYA!

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>>79180525
Thank you for sticking up for Voyager, my fellow Voyagerm.

We are proud race with exceptional taste.

If you can get through saison 2, you're in for a wild ride.

>>79172816
Gene explicitly states that if it didn't come from him (or his estate), then it is not cannon

>walk into antique shop
>they have over 40 star trek books
>buy The Romulan Way because I want to learn more about Romulans
>immediately find out it's not cannon

Good thing I only paid a dollar

>>79180525
>how is it possible to develop taste in any regard,
not him, but its quite burdensome to find any good shit to watch, with companies releasing disguised rehashes to cable and web like a machinegun spiting bullets, taking the concentrated opinion of others is dumb, but taking comparative analysis from tastekid and movielens is a must, if you start watching 4 bad films your alocated time is up for the weekend and youre no more entertained for it, really a bummer, when i finally discover something good to watch, i burn thru it in a few months and its shit all over again

in the case of VOY i too skipped some episodes 10min in, but eventually came back to them before the last season, they were all disconnected and really silly, a handul of them some felt like landfill indeed, something like B5 "grey 17 is missing"-tier

>>79180751
Voyager isn't as bad as people say.
When it's bad is really bad but it also has some good episodes.

Most of the complaints are from DS9 fans anyway that wanted "le gritty and badass captain ignoring Federation morals and doing everything just to win". I lost the time of people saying the Equinox was Voyager done right

>>79180670
>...or something
>HUUUUURPP DEEEE DUUURRRP JUMBALAYA!
damn anon, i see "black lives matter" for what it is, and think black-tokenism is retarded, just like any other non-sjw blinded person, but are you sure you didnt let 4chan jokes turn you racist?

>>79180847
There are a ton of problems with Voyager, and they started with them jettisoning the interesting original premise of a mixed, fractious crew about two episodes in. Then there was the fact they magically never ran out of supplies (early food shortages aside), had an infinite supply of shuttles and photon torpedoes, could repair and modify the ship in days with no spacedock or assistance (worst in Endgame where they turned Voyager into a cube-busting superdreadnought in no time) and they were stuck with a whole lot of unlikeable or badly written characters, the Doctor and 7 were the exceptions).

The original ideas were good but the execution wasn't.

>>79180847
Voyager was sold to us with a premise of two crews struggling to get along, and a ship struggling to survive with its limited resources. Instead they gave us a perfect crew of perfect officers, and the ship was always bright and shiny and fully-stocked every week. Equinox and Year of Hell get the praise that they deserve because they were when the show actually stayed true to the original premise.

If they wanted to play it safe then they should have used some other premise for the series.

>>79180971
>(early food shortages aside)
Was there ever even ONE episode where someone had to skip a meal because the replicator and Neelix were both empty?

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'GET - OFFA' - MY - BOARD!'

>*kicks you out of an airlock

>>79180801
>immediately find out it's not cannon
im sorry to burst your bubble son, but its all made up, you can stich together in your mind the stories you like the most

this canon thing is just as excuse to sell rights to novelisations, videogames, cartoons and etc while pretending any franchise isnt stretch out as far as audience permits to maximize profits.

>>79161279
gul dukat pls go

>>79180971
>original premise
what original premise?
you mean going after marquis? that was never a premise, just a piece of plot to inevitable get voyager in the delta quadrant

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>>79180751
It was comfy AF and had some slick adventures and ideas and I've definitely seen it the most out of all the treks

Harry Kim is the exactly the kind of beta to call someone a Voyagerm

After all those years in space he didn't harden one bit. Not after fighting Borg, not after fighting Kazons, not after knowingly replacing a version of himself from another dimension, he didn't even get hard when Seven wanted to fuck him.

Fuckin Harry Kim, blowing on that black clarinet

>>79167043
ayn rand pls go

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"Cha-Go-Teh!"
>"Captain?"
"Send these troublemakers to the brig."
>"Aye, captain.."
"OH! ..and tell that fat janitor to scrub the plasma conduits while he's at it. Wouldn't want our engines stalling en route to the Nestlé homeworld."

Was Janeway the most prison hard and put up wet bad ass bytch that ever entered Starfleet?!

>>79181149
>when he cries in the last episode after they make it back to Earth but the director and producer fucked with him and made it look like he cried when Paris' kid was born

why did they hate him so much

>>79181127
>what original premise?
Do you have brain problems?

"the interesting original premise of a mixed, fractious crew "

>>79176629
>>>/pol/

>>79181243
>demote Paris and put him in isolation for one month because he disobeyed to save a world
>does nothing to the Doctor after he betrayed Voyager, revealed a structural weakness to the enemy that could have destroyed the ship and got people injured

>>79181255
he dared to question Berman's """vision""" for the show.
so they fucked him the entire series.

harry kim a shit either way, but they did the man dirty.

>>79181149
>After all those years in space he didn't harden one bit. Not after fighting Borg, not after fighting Kazons,

when you boil and egg in water it hardens, when you boil a carrot in water it softens, when you boil harry kim in water, the water turns to hot coffee

true strength is in not changing your nature when faced with hardship, but instead changing the situation, that was harry, true to himself till the bitt.. the sweet end arriving safe and sound back to earth.

>>79176629
You didn't understand the Sisco-punching-Q thing at all, did you? Q provoked him into doing it and it was a sign of weakness and stupidity that he did it at all. Q can't be hurt by a mere bunch and it amused him immensely that Sisco was so easy to manipulate.

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>>79180971
They hired Neelix to grow food and cook so they didn't waste energy and supplies with replicators

There are a ton of episodes where someone AT LEAST MENTIONS the need to complete a task in order to obtain lythium or crystals or some shit and that's how the episode's plot was set up

And then there are all of those times they barter with alien species for supplies

And then there are all of those times the crew re-purposed alien technology incorporating with their own for alternative sources of energy / supplies

And it's almost like the crew had engineers on board who could put together a photon torpedo (or some kind of weapon) given the right materials.

Are you the same poster that said he only skimmed through the episodes based on IMDB scores? because it's almost like you haven't seen most of it

>>79181458
This, the reason he liked Picard was because he saw the potential of humanity in him. Sisko was just another brute

>>79181458
>>79181507
That's clearly not how people interpret that scene

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>>79181439
I don't like how you're defending Kim

But I do like your absurd analogy

The autism may continue

>>79181480
>And it's almost like the crew had engineers on board who could put together a photon torpedo (or some kind of weapon) given the right materials.
They explicitly say that this cannot be done.

Always obtaining refills off-screen is a cheat. There should have been periods of time where they actually do run out of food, of torpedoes, of shuttles, of holodeck energy, of clean uniforms, and it isn't magically wrapped-up before the next episode begins.

>>79181553
>some people are retarded
I know.

>>79181480
I watched the who series on its first run. It strain credulity that they kept the ship running for years with minimal assistance and no source for Starfleet parts. In other Trek series ships with a lot fewer miles got refits every few seasons.

>>79181580
I'm afraid.
>I know.

>>79180751
Voyager is stupid and bad

but I still love it

Its a comfy show to watch and turn your brain off too , and I think it aged a lot better than TNG in terms of aesthetics

I want to watch TNG sometimes but now that its all in HD it looks so fucking horrible

>>79181599
eh, I don't see why they think Sisko was so cool for failing.

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>>79181573
Yeah I actually forgot about that with the torpeedos

But at least they do mention, more than several times, the strain that the ship was under and lack of supplies for the crew, and like I said this did set up a lot of plot points

But what did you expect? Everything to be gritty and raw by season 3?

Don't forget that Voyager took place the farthest in the future of all standard timeline Treks and the ship itself was king of the Intrepid class

>>79181884
>But what did you expect? Everything to be gritty and raw by season 3?
I don't expect them to go an entire season without supplies.

I expect them to go at least one episode without supplies. One episode, just one, where the supplies are empty before the episode begins and the supplies are still empty after it ends. One single episode where they live up to the original premise.

Is one episode too much to ask for?

>>79181884
once they got Seven of Nine it was just

>ITS NANOPROBES I DONT GOTTA EXPLAIN SHIT

BORG shield
BORG algorithms
BORG enhancements
BORG bring you back from the dead
BORG ex machina


so whatever, they probably used BORG NANOPROBES to turn the crews shit into photon torpedoes

>>79181978
Year of Hell is the episode youre looking for senpai

Its the closest it ever gets to what it should be

>>79182043
>magic reset button
It's not what I ask for and you know it.

>>79170574
>oppressed refugee people
>followers of the The Prophet
>flavor-of-the-week minority for SJWFleet
>most sacred relics are glowing, rotating loafs of kebab meat covered in foil
Bravo Berman.

>>79182084
if there is a good episode VOY has to fuck it up somehow

>>79181978
there were multiple episodes were the need to find dilythium crystals carried over and it had an impact on the ship

>>79182166
There are episodes where supplies are low, but never episodes where supplies are empty.

There is always an off-screen cheat to save the day between episodes.

>>79182243
they are always looking for supplies and stuff and have planets all around and a ship able to FTL travel

it would be asburd to have them run out of supplies entirely

>>79182166
>>79182243
>>79182329

>That episode where they have to go through a void of absolute nothingness for 2-3 years and are 5 months in

>Run holodecks and replicators constantly like they can refuel any time

>not any rationing of any kind

waht the fugg

>>79182329
>it would be asburd to have them run out of supplies entirely
Even for just one single episode? I think you're the one being absurd now.

The thing I like with DS9 is that its different from the other ones. Make me enjoy them more as well. Think it gives the universe more depth.

>>79182418
the whole point of rationing is not to run out of supplies, so maybe the rations get thin but they wouldn't all be starving.
Plus voyager is the only ship in a series with an actual hydroponics bay so they grow their own food constantly.

It woulda been a better show with continuity like you say but it was obvious some producers only wanted it to be an "alien/planet of the week" show to replicate TNG.
On the plus side Ron Moore was able to rip most of the premise off to make BSG.

>>79182858
>the whole point of rationing is not to run out of supplies,
And water is wet, thank you for explaining this to me.

Voyager would still get less criticism if there was even ONE episode where they ran out of supplies. Without that, it will always be remembered as a series that never lived up to its original premise.

And it would help if they actually took rationing seriously. As >>79182397 points out, rationing is a joke.

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>>79182005
I'd like to give Seven a done of my own nano-probes if you know what I mean

>>79183171
From the thumbnail it always looks like she miss a part of her torso

>>79160360
my sides have departed

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>>79182397
Looks like the only thing they ran out of was crew morale

>>79183431
Possible proof that Voyager is actually powered by quips and smart ass remarks

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>>79170156
finally best Vorta is here

I've never thought of it that way, I always just thought it was a joke about them not saying anything

>>79160594
>how many lights is there?
Picard should have just explained that light can't be measured discretely, so the only logical question is "how much light is there?" and it's impossible for him to give any non-theoretical answer using his only eyes as the instrument of measurement.

>>79182133
>Bajor is a planet of peace

what did Rick mean by this?

>>79167043
>Be Quark
>See everything and everyone around you become slowly and insidiously twisted beyond recognition by Federation values, including yourself

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Why didn't DS9 ever feature the borg?

>>79183875
DS9 tried its hardest to prove they weren't like "thos other" Star Trek shows

>>79172503
This episode was so weird. Half of it is about John DeLancy trying to date-rape some literally who from TNG and then in the last minute the yellow gem Quark wants turns into a giant glowing stingray with no explanation.

>>79183591
>>79183591
He fell for the 90s Palestinian meme. I'd say more but this thread is about to archive.

>>79184094
Q ' E D