why didn't Frodo use the Ring to defeat the Balrog?

>>79133261
Screw you, Tolkien, you cheap writer. You are useless shit compared to our supreme light novel/manga artists. You hear that?

Why didn't Gandalf just climb back up instead of wasting enough time for the whip to grab his leg?

>>79133261
frodo can't use the ring to its full extent

manlet problems etc

Supposedly

Hobbits = invisibility

so he couldnt have used that on the balrog

anyyways, its fucking weird that humans also become invisible in the movies, they should have given them a super soldier effect to make Boromir's agenda shine, like he wants to be a super human to lead gondor to victory, how did he plan to use the ring anyway?

>>79133629
>anyyways, its fucking weird that humans also become invisible in the movies
that's in the books too. We had the discussion yesterday. But we assume Isildur had a much stronger will so he could control whether or not he turned invisible

>>79133611
he had to take down the Balrog anyway, those are not meant to exist anymore

>>79133261
We'll, this is a new one...

>>79133669
>We had the discussion yesterda

I'm afraid i wasnt there, can you elaborate on this more? i always assumed that hobbits become invisible because they have sneak +10

>>79133261
Gandalf was a fucking gangster.

>>79133261
Why didn't the eagles just fly then over Moria?

Really

>>79133718
in the Silmarillion it says when Isildur's party was ambushed he panicked and put the Ring on and "vanished" from the battle but the orcs tracked him from his scent and tracks. Then he jumped in the river, Ring slipped off etc

according to Tolkien Gateway the Ring shifts you into the wraith world and you gain Sauron-like powers, if you're strong enough

>>79133261

Defeat the Balrog by turning invisible?

>>79133765
Gandalf mentioned in the trilogy that Isildur tried to flee by turning invisible, but he never really went deep into it.

>>79133742

They are not a fucking taxi service.

Also flying eagles over the biggest mountain range in middle earth is neither stealthy or safe

>>79133611
in the book the whole bridge collapses and he says 'fly you fools' while plummeting down, it's all instantaneous.

>>79133629
>>79133765
there's a lot of powers Frodo receives besides invisibility but it's all in the interests of the ring to grant power to corrupt the host. Frodo can see the other rings of power (most mortals can't), he becomes prescient (sees Gandalf imprisoned at Orthanc and other visions) and his senses become very acute in the dark.

Isildur never really had control of the ring, if he did then he'd have dominated those orcs that attacked or could have forseen the attack or sensed it. He also leaves a record of it and says that it doesn't really do much for him.

>>79133845
>biggest in Middle Earth
Do you even Utumno, niggers?
Also you're right though that the Eagles are mentioned as basically fucking off and doing what they want, when they want.

why did gandalf and the balrog end up at the top of some mountain after they fell down the chasm

>>79133965
Also, why are LoTR threads the only ones on /tv/ with semi-serious discussions?

>>79134007
Burn Notice
Friends
Star Dust
Dune
Galaxy Quest

Those threads get serious discussions too

>>79133993
they went down and then up some passage until they reached the top. They were fighting for like a week

>>79133845
Eagles need to nut up. They wouldn't be a taxi service.

Undetected? That worked out well when Saruman almost fucked them up and down the mountaintop. Gandalf didn't want to go through the mines either.

The breaking of the fellowship could have been altered if they just flew them over. Who would have known? It would looks like eagles if anyone saw. And what could be done nothing

>>79134054
>Gandalf didn't want to go through the mines either.
in the books Gandalf is pushing to go through the mines as the only option and everyone else but Gimli is a pussy about it

>>79134007
HP has actually had some really good serious convos but they are riddled with shitposters and le ebin

>>79134049

that makes even less sense

>>79134082
Yes point was though it was a dangerous idea

>>79134131
why?

>>79134106
Personally, I love the Harry Potter books as a cherished memory from childhood; but honestly in those threads I'm just waiting for the pasta.

>>79133769

The ring does not turn the bearer invisible... well it does if the bearer is a frightened hobbit (hobbit like creature) but while it's powers are pretty vaguely explained and it is stated that most of the ring promises are deceits and plain lies it probably would increase the powers of beings such as Gandalf, Galadriel or Elrond against most foes if only to entice them to corrupt them, trick them or betray them later.

So while true, Frodo would not have been able to defeat the Balrog with it Gandalf could have... he would have fallen like Saruman later on though.

>>79134189
I love the books but I really love the films too, they are so complementary just like LOTR

>>79133261
Because we wouldn't have gotten this scene:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHFm94-zdYs

>>79134391
>The ring does not turn the bearer invisible
see
>>79133765

>>79134690
man if the balrog got out of there and partnered up with sauron minas tirith would have been fucked

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Why didn't Smaug try to take the ring from Bilbo?

There's no way he didn't sense its presence

>>79135327
why would he sense it? Dragons don't care for Maya trinkets any more than for any ordinary golden ring

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WHE AIN'T HAD NUFFIN BUT LORD OF THE RINGS THREADS FOR THREE STINKIN' DAYS

>>79135363
it would have made him more powerful like the Dragons of old

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>>79135364
YEAH WHY CAN'T WE HAVE SOME STAR WARS

>>79135391
I really don't think so. Old dragons didn't rely on magical artifacts

>>79135426
the ring enhances the wearers power and Smaug was not as powerful as the Dragons from the War of Wrath

>>79135418
THEY ARE NOT FOR POSTING

>>79133742
There is a reason this trilogy became a hippy favourite. Nature is not ever for sale or can be bent by the will of men, elves, wizards etc. This is shown quite well by the trouble the hobbits had getting the ents to fight. Nature will only fight back, so the eagles hadn't joined the fight at the beginning.

>>79133950
guess gadalf screaming "fly you fools!" WHILST plunging down would be too funny on the big screen

>>79133993
The balrog lead him to the endless stair. A forgotten marvel of when Durin ruled moria. It went from the lowest part of the mountain, to the highest peak. It was so old that it's location was lost to history.

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>>79135493
What about a waifu thread, they don't delete those

>>79133845
>>79133965
It's in their best interest to help Frodo on his quest though, it's literally for the fate of Middle Earth

>>79135758
*dun dun dun*

>>79135758
GET BACK SCUM

>>79135364
man the orcs in the hobbit are so shit compared to the ones in LOTR

>>79135327
>Why didn't Smaug try to take the ring from Bilbo?
>There's no way he didn't sense its presence
They mention it in "Inside Information" chapter that dragons have their own sense of fair play. They were playing a game, and it behooved smaug to toy with him, he just didn't count on Bilbo being as clever or spry as he was.
Also, the ring didn't fully hide bilbo from Smaug, just made him a little harder to see in the dark.

>>79135457
smaug doesn't have fingers to wear it

>>79135874

he could wear it on his cock

>>79135874
the ring would grow to fit him retard

the question is would Smaug as ring-lord been able to challenge Suaron?

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>>79135847
What do you mean?

>>79135907
no he wouldn't be able too, only sauron can control the ring properly
>>79135917
unforgettable shits

>>79135917
>orcs in LOTR are all dark and act like apes
>orcs in the Hobbit are all blue eyed and white

what did (((Jackson))) mean by this?

>>79135541
>guess gadalf screaming "fly you fools!" WHILST plunging down would be too funny on the big screen

"FLY YOU FOOooooo......"

>>79133742
The eagles belong to a literal god (Manwe). Getting him to listen to your plea nevermind actually help takes something huge. Gandalf only managed to get one to help for himself because he is a literal angel, and Manwe sent them to help Frodo because of the huge feat he had just accomplished.

>>79135907
Why would he? He's the last dragon and sleeping on top of the biggest horde since Glaurung at Nargothrond. That's dragon heaven.

>>79135917
>blue and orange

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>>79135259

>Ywn see an alternative War of the Ring timeline where the Balrog attacks Minas Tirith and Elrond sends Glorfindel down to even the odds

This rematch was what ROTK was missing

>>79136546
>Elrond sends Glorfindel down to even the odds
Why didn't Glorfindel just solo the entire orc army?

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Press F to pay respects to Gil-Galad

>>79133611
>supposed to be mighty wizzard
>bearly does shit during the 3 flicks
>get rekt by a shitty whip
90s kids and their nostalgia...

>>79133627
>>79133261
This
Supposedly the safest place for such a weapon is in the hands of the dude that has no idea or capacity to use it

>>79135327
>>79135391
Dragons are part-Morgoth
They are basically above the Ring, or Sauron since their master got imprisoned
Which is why although they had a presence in the North they never bothered aiding Sauron on his feats of conquest during the War of the Last Alliance

>>79136673
F

>"Share the load master frodo! Cum in my ass!"

I get that Jackson wanted to take some creative liberties with the silver screen adaption, but this line wasn't in the book at all afaik

>>79136673

>5000 years old
>High King of the Noldor
>No woman
>No children

Where did it all go so wrong for him?

listening to the soundtrack now. Literal chills down my spine

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>>79133261
Why didn't Frodo just manipulate space and time?

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>>79135364
>>79135418
>>79135758
>>79135782

>>79136546
>Run! Swords are no more use he-
>UTULIE'N AURE! AIYA ELDALIE AR ATANATARI, UTULIE'N AURE!
>Glorfindel WTF come back here
>*baff* *gling* *splat*
>AAAAAHHHH ORCS HELP ME
>*thud* *shunk* *bong*
>THAT IS FOR GONDOLIN YOU CUNT
>Right. To the Bridge of Kazad-dum!

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>>79135917
What is the point of using CGI if you're going to make it look like a cheap Polystyrene suit.?

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>>79137549
Whats the point of using make up and prosthetics if you are going to make it look like cheap CGI?

>>79137647
that fucking bloom and smudge fucks sake

>>79137647
that wasn't prosthetics

>>79137710
Oh but it was
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGMfwYmZ6mQ

>>79137774
if I'm not iinm he did wear prosthetics but in the final movie everything is CG because it was so badly organized
at least when he's on the boar it is

>>79137647
That helmet literally looks like a plastic toy.

>>79137831
>>79137774
Whats this
The studio footage with the greenscreen behind him make for a better Dain

>>79137647
>those mountains

vomit-inducing

>>79137331
Bad shit runs in his bloodline

>>79137366
It's such a great soundtrack, especially the complete recordings. I can't believe how much love they put into it. Think my favourite is "Lament for Gandalf", the translation is so emotional as well.

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>>79133261
Humans, Hobbits, mortals in general cannot access the full power of the ring.

Now give it to a wizard or an efl and they could fuck shit up but the power of the ring would corrupt them.

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>>79134189
I unironically like them too, but that's because I have pleb tastes and enjoy one of the dullest franchise in the history of movie franchises. Seriously each episode following the boy wizard and his pals from Hogwarts Academy as they fight assorted villains has been indistinguishable from the others. Aside from the gloomy imagery, the series’ only consistency has been its lack of excitement and ineffective use of special effects, all to make magic unmagical, to make action seem inert.

Perhaps the die was cast when Rowling vetoed the idea of Spielberg directing the series; she made sure the series would never be mistaken for a work of art that meant anything to anybody?just ridiculously profitable cross-promotion for her books. The Harry Potter series might be anti-Christian (or not), but it’s certainly the anti-James Bond series in its refusal of wonder, beauty and excitement. No one wants to face that fact. Now, thankfully, they no longer have to.

>a-at least the books were good though

"No!" The writing is dreadful; the book was terrible. As I read, I noticed that every time a character went for a walk, the author wrote instead that the character "stretched his legs."

I began marking on the back of an envelope every time that phrase was repeated. I stopped only after I had marked the envelope several dozen times. I was incredulous. Rowling's mind is so governed by cliches and dead metaphors that she has no other style of writing. Later I read a lavish, loving review of Harry Potter by the same Stephen King. He wrote something to the effect of, "If these kids are reading Harry Potter at 11 or 12, then when they get older they will go on to read Stephen King." And he was quite right. He was not being ironic. When you read "Harry Potter" you are, in fact, trained to read Stephen King.

>>79137647
What neolithic cave painting is this from?

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>>79138705

>>79138705
wrong thread

>>79133742
Plain and simple ?

Shit writing

>>79138705
>"No!"

>>79135885
Was just about to post this
>>79135907
Or wear it as a necklace

>>79135773
The eagles are literally the basement dwellers of middle earth
All they do is bitch about the world while doing close to nothing to change it
Only when their king (mother) tells them to move their asses, they do

>>79133845
you're so mad lmao

>>79133629
The ring gives people power in proportion to their current power levels. So low power creatures like hobbits just turn invisible. If Aragorn were to put on the ring, however, he'd become superhuman and if Gandalf put it on he'd be able to defeat Sauron himself.

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*Blocks your path*

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Post your lotr swords

>>79139008
I don't have any place to put a sword that wouldn't make it look forced and fedora-y

>>79139006
*teleports behind you*

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>>79139061
Hide it under a fedora

Since Gandalf was able to kill Durin's Bane, does that mean he'd have been able to kill Smaug in a 1v1?

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Is this the one scene that tops the book?

>>79139345
If Gandalf was allowed the full use of his powers he'd wreck Smaug. Smaug may be big and strong, but Gandalf is an immortal angelic demigod. I don't know if he'd be allowed to use all his powers like he did against another Maiar, the balrog.

>>79139485
Nah. Lighting of the beacons elevates it by a factor of 100.

>>79139527
He has to ask permission?

>>79139345
Dragons are arguably more powerful than Balrogs
They are also able to cast magic of their own

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>>79139254

>>79139652
gandalf and the other wizards were nerfed when they were sent to Middle Earth because the point was to organize and protect the free peoples, not to lead them

when he returned as Gandalf the White he had more of his power level

>>79139652
He can't use his full powers unless he's faced with a threat on his level (like the Balrog or Witch-King)
He's not supposed to use them at all but sometimes he's forced to. The last time the gods (Valar and Maiar) went all-out and used thier full powers half if middle-earth was destroyed and Beleriand sank below the sea.
That's why he told the rest of the fellowship to run away so he could face the balrog alone. They would have been killed just by being near the fight.

Have you taken the Tompill yet?
>http://km-515.livejournal.com/1042.html

>>79133742
Sauron had "spies in the air", whole swarms of creatures that could have overwhelmed the eagles, not to mention the flying ringwraiths and the eye of sauron radar tower.

>We've had nothing but faggoty threads for three stinking days!
What did Tolkien mean by this?

>>79139574
This,. the beacons is amazing

ALso, both of Theoden speeches.

Music and visual really help sell the scenes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51oEk21ax5A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ryy5U2mNTJU

>>79141020
>Music and visual really help sell the scenes

WE MUST TELL OTHER DIRECTORS

Gandalf is such a fucking Gary Stu, he ruins the whole movie. Everything would have been better if he had stayed dead.

>>79140230
Interesting read.

I am now #tompilled

>>79133611
Because he's a shit wizard

Harry could teleport when he was 16 not to mention Dumbledore

Gandalf is basically a squib

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>>79135758
my keking fucking sides

>>79138975
Wrong. The ring only serves Sauron. It literally just wants to get back to Sauron. It would make Gandalf powerful, but during the fight it would just """"slip""""" off his finger and land on Sauron's finger

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>>79137541
>THAT IS FOR GONDOLIN YOU CUNT

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>>79133993
>>79135672
huh. As a kid I had always assumed that they went so deep that they had entered another realm, and passed from Middle-Earth (a "Midgard") into a kind of lower-level underworld, like the Norse's Nidavellir (realm of the dwarves).

Too bad. I liked the layered idea, it made the fantasy world feel more realized.

pic unrelated.

>>79133669
>we had a discussion yesterday

Log off and go outside you massive faggot

>>79145305
>unemployed loser tells people to go out on a Sunday

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>Balrog has wings
>Doesn't simply fly out of the hole

>>79145571
>Ostrich has wings
>doesn't simply fly away from poachers

>>79136866

If I remember right there is an actual reason behind this. Something along the lines of the Valar and Maiar not being allowed to directly aid mortals or some shit.

>>79145591
Are you suggesting that the Balrog is a product of the forces of evolution and that its wings are vestigial holdovers from some past incarnation?

>>79135259
I've seen debates in Tolkien circles that focus on whether or not Durin's Bane would have followed Sauron. A lot people think not, since Sauron was a mere servant of Morgoth, and Balrogs are quite nearly on the same order of spirits as Sauron was.

>>79137146
Morgoth's ring was Arda. No one and nothing is "above" the temptation of absolute, limitless power.

Gandalf also was very fearful of Smaug joining Sauron, and ostensibly began his quest to kill him. Helping the Dwarves was a secondary goal.

Read the books again, bro. Read it all, ALL of Tolkien's writings on Middle Earth.

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>>79135954
they're snow orcs.

>>79146079
>Gandalf also was very fearful of Smaug joining Sauron
Might be so, but truth is that during the entire 3rd age, the remaining dragons didnt give two fucks about Saurons attempts to limitless power

>>79136673
F
The books and the films lacked any notable people that mainly used poleweapons, except Gil-Galad.

If you used the ring as a cock ring, would it turn your whole body invisible or just your cock?

>>79146980
well your cock's already invisible so why even use the Ring

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>>79147003
FUCKING DELET

>>79139008
>>79139254
http://www.christianfletcher.com/swords/heroic-line-swords/borderwatch/
http://www.christianfletcher.com/swords/heroic-line-swords/maeglass/

That face when no LOTR-inspired Christian Fletcher/Albion swords

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>>79133261
you dense fuck.

after he helped defeat the troll in the tomb, he got a huge killstreak bonus.

he used it when they got surrounded by goblins so they could escape - he was responsible for the Balrog, it's why he looks so devastated after they escape, it was his fault.

Why didn't Gandalf just use his magic to launch the Ring into space and towards the Sun? You telling me the stupid fucking Ring wouldn't melt from the heat of the Sun?

>>79147411
He's a shitty wizard.

Why was Gandalf given an Elven ring of power if he is literally an angel of god that is capable of emulating the effects of that Elven ring and more?

>>79147663

He used it as a cock ring.

>>79133261
the ring is only a power multiplier with a few side passives

if your power level is 1 it doesn't matter you'll never use the ring to it's full potential.

>>79147512
for you

ITT: Children that have no actual knowledge or insight.

>>79134007
Because LotR lore is endlessly fascinating. It's like talking about Greek/Norse mythology.

>>79135259
That Balrog was in Moria because he ran away like a little bitch after the war.