Why didn't Sauron not immediately just send the ring wraiths

>>79094711
The wraiths were on a stealth mission

they were trying to kinda rogue. The fell beasts would trigger too much attention, so they disguised themselves as hooded horse riders

So they would spread massive panic among hobbits making the ring much harder to find with all the refugees escaping as far as they can and alert next door Rivendell hes making a big move? Great plan familia

>>79094711

>Go on a stealth mission
>Travel by fighter jet

>>79094711

Were the fell beast done through CGI or something practical? They still look great in that pic

>>79094880
>They still look great in that pic
Looks totally CGI to me.

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>>79094819

>>79094880
Those are real beasts senpai

>>79094711
Sauron wasn't entirely sure. the ring was there. at the start. Shire is fucking far away and he's been diminished without it for a long while.

If he goes rambo then Elrond can send Glorfindel and it tips sauron hand

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>>79094711
Sauron didn't have enough minerals and vespene gas to produce end-game units yet.

>>79094880
nope

>>79094711
>why didn't sauron send his most powerful and conspicuous soldier deep into enemy territory on a fetch quest
idk anon

>>79094711
Why do people say TLOR still looks good, this looks like a gamecube game.

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>>79094711
The Shire was being watched by Aragorn, the Rangers, and Gandalf. And Sauron was trying not to telegraph his plans so soon. Sending a squadrons of mini-drakes screaming into the Shire would only cause every Hobbit alive to go into uber-hide mode, something they're really good at. Disguising the Nazgul as creepy black riders was the best option for Sauron. Sure, they're spooky as fuck and he could have sent more subtle spies/scouts, but nothing other than maybe Smegal was drawn so strongly to the Ring, and Smegal is too slippery to use as a bloodhound.

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>>79095034

Because this is what cinema has become since then

>>79095239
Hella fucking epic

>>79095154
>by Aragorn, the Rangers, and Gandalf
Not to mention Rivendell.
On top of that, getting the ring back wasn't that big of a deal for Sauron. He wanted it back, but didn't really need it. His only minor concern would be if it was claimed by one of the handful left in middle earth that would be strong enough to claim it as their own, and even then that would have only presented a minor inconvenience as he had all the time in the world to wait for the ring to corrupt whoever had taken it, and do the job for him.
Sauron never considered the possibility that the ring would be destroyed. Not just because the ring exerted a will of its own and wouldn't let itself be destroyed, but also because the only place it could be unmade was right next door to his tower, surrounded by an army of orcs.
Meanwhile he was marshaling all of his forces scattered across eastern middle earth, and forging weapons and arms for the orcs, while harassing his enemies on the borders.
So even a perfect storm where the heir of Isildur had stepped forward, claimed the ring as his own, defeated every last enemy of mordor, and made sauron submit to defeat - sauron still wins in the end. He can't be permanently killed because the ring exists. The ring wouldn't allow itself to be unmade. The ring would eventually corrupt the bearer and their deeds into evil. The bearer would eventually become a wraith of they lived long enough, or be betrayed by the ring. And then immortal Sauron is left with the ring, in a world where all the noble bloodlines of the Edain and Numenor had been severed, and the elves that hadn't fled to the west would be either enslaved, or dead; there's no one left to oppose him, and he ends up ruling the world after all.

>>79095483
>. He can't be permanently killed because the ring exists.
Not true. Tolkien said if Gandalf had claimed the Ring and overthrown Sauron it would have had the same effect on him as destroying the Ring did.

>>79095239
thank god i didn't watch this shit

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>>79094931
fucking hell anon

>>79095551
>still have a corrupted maiar trying to rule the world
Sounds like the same net effect desu.

>>79095551
Citation needed because I'm sure you've interpreted that incorrectly

>>79095239
If you only watch capeshit then sure

>>79095551
Doesn't matter because Dagor Dagorath he comes back to life

>>79095640
The net effect on the world. Sauron himself would not have been happy.

In any case, Sauron does make it a big deal to get the ring back since he dispatches all 9 Nazgul at once to do it, as well as trying to get the Dwarves to give up what they know about Bilbo. His main problem is he has very little intelligence on the Hobbits and the Shire (I believe the Nazgul actually have to rely on forcing some of Saruman's spies to give them a lot of information).

>>79095667
Fuck OFF, if you haven't read Tolkien's letters why are you posting?

>If Gandalf proved the victor, the result would have been for Sauron the same as the destruction of the Ring; for him it would have been destroyed, taken from him for ever.

>>79095683
Only to get cucked. Is there a more btfo character in all of fiction

>>79094880
LOTR cgi actually looks amazing for 15 years ago.
the balrog to this day is better than 90% of the shit we see

>>79095744
Morgoth

>>79094880
The mouth and teeth might be partly practical. They don't have that CGI look.

Why didn't Sauronman just fill all the entrances to mt. doom with concrete?

>>79095959
Then how's he going to get into his forge? Dumb Frodoposter

>>79095959
It's an active volcano anon, its constantly cracking open and shifting with every eruption.

>>79096038
How about at least blocking the main entrance that has apparently been open for a thousand years?

>>79094711
magical monsters in middle earth have a history of getting rekt by random dudes. he was right to keep them in reserve.

>>79094711
Friendly reminder that this dementor absolutely REKT Gandalf the Gay and then got BTFO by an inexperienced woman.

>>79096172
How many fucking times does this have to be fucking repeated?

Sauron never ONCE considered that anyone would destroy the Ring.

>>79096172
For what purpose?

>>79096199
>got BTFO by an inexperienced woman.
Merry's blade was literally created for the purpose of killing witch king and had spells designed to make him mortal again. Eowyn only finished the job.

>>79096208
For what purpose is it open?

>>79094711
Damn LOTR has aged badly. Looks like cardboard shit.

>>79096246
It's Sauron's forge.

>>79096172
It was like his office and library, he was doing his magic shit there, why would he block it

>>79096240
>Merry's blade was literally created for the purpose of killing witch king
No it's for killing wights, I'm sure the men of Arnor wished it was that fucking effective

>>79096246
think of it as Sauron's lab.

>>79096262
>>79096279
He's a glowing eye. At least put a locked door there until he gets his sexy body back

>>79096199
hackson a shit

a shiiiiitttttt

>>79096317
hey hackson baby

>>79096317
>He's a glowing eye.
Go AWAY Hackson.

>>79095775
>taints the song of creation
>cucks the valar and their work
>anally devestates elven scum
>conquers all of beleriand
>infuses his very soul into all matter/ creation so that everyone born has a bit of morgoth

Yeah, nah

>>79095551
ring and sauron are the same, one can't exist without the other

>>79096317
No, he had physical form.

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>>79094902
where the fuck did Jackson get real fell beasts?

>>79096367
Unbelievable. Even after the citation has been provided >>79095737 you fucks won't stop.

>>79096240
nonsense

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What was these assholes' problem anyway?

>>79096398
>So passed the sword of the Barrow-downs, work of Westernesse. But glad would he have been to know its fate who wrought it slowly long ago in the North-kingdom when the Dúnedain were young, and chief among their foes was the dread realm of Angmar and its sorcerer king. No other blade, not though mightier hands had wielded it, would have dealt that foe a wound so bitter, cleaving the undead flesh, breaking the spell that knit his unseen sinews to his will.

>>79096292
lol, you dumb fuckign shitter. YOU are wrong.http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Barrow-blades

Basically, there were noble kingdom in the North wo got conquered and eventually fell to what would become the Witch King, and the blade were smithed during the war, with the express hope of fucking him over.

Hell, when he does stab there a few lines saying that the smith would be fuckign happy that the blades he forged where used to kill their enemies

>>79096396
In the sense that he could never overpower gandalf to reclaim it but the ring would exist and so would sauron

>>79094819
They could just fly above radar

>>79096364
>gets BTFO and waits centuries to get his chance
>Dies to Turin the sister fucker
>>79096426
They don't give a shit, they're bored because they can't kill dragons anymore
>>79096451
No they were made to kill the wights he used to fuck up their graveyards and battle dead with, they work against the Nazgul but they can't fucking kill them

>>79096494
Sauron continues to "exist" with or without the Ring. Your claim that he ceases to exist when the Ring is destroyed is also false. He is reduced to an impotent spirit that can never again take shape or effect the world after the Ring is destroyed and as already provided the same fate would befall him if Gandalf overthrew him with it.

>>79096426
? They are messengers mostly.

Mostly they keep an eye on Morgoth then Sauron for the Valar. In the books they do arrive and fight at the black gate, fuckign up some nazgulls, then they go save Frodo and Sam.

Basically, they got shit to do.

>>79096396

the two form a symbiont circle, you must understand this

>>79096548
>He is reduced to an impotent spirit that can never again take shape or effect the world
So Sauron turned into a NEET?

>>79096511
Read the article, you bumbling bufoon. Why do continue looking as a fuckign mongoloid, when facts are avalaible right here and now? Are you a leftist?

>>79096259
it's like fifty hundred years old

>>79096548
I thought you were implying he would be destroyed outright. My bad

Sauron would still pose more of a threat with the ring existing imp

>>79096585
He was always a NEET, he learned from the best in Morgoth
>>79096594
>lotr wiki
>Not even Tolkien gateway
Wikifags are the worst shit in these threads

>there are kids who post on 4chan born aftter Fellowship was released

think about that for a moment

>>79096634
then go check in your other site you retarded mongrel. I'll bet you 100$ it won't change shit because it's fuckign facts, you retarded fuckign mongoloid trash

>>79096655
...woah...

>>79096655

Don't tell me your older then 20 and still browsing 4chan.

>appealing to some old ass white mans book to explain what a real nigga Peto Jackson put in his movie

y'all crackas hella whack summit

>>79096696
>They were made for fighting forces sent from Angmar
Done, seems like they weren't made for killing Nazgul at all

>>79094711
>go into ranger territory with flying lizards

>>79094711

Why didn't they ride on dragons?

>>79096748
Did you know that the witch king full name is

Witch King of Angmar

Ie he is from Angmar

Ie he and his force, are from angmar

ie he is a fighting force, of Angmar

ie you are a fuckign mongoloid, jesus fuckign christ

>>79096806
They ded

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAoL-0tTaS4

So Sauron knew Frodo had the ring (I think) when the mouth of Sauron told Aragon that he was dead and by holding his shirt


So why did Sauron send ALL of his army to the black gate when (a) they were clearly superior and (b) they know Frodo was still alive with the ring?

>>79096861
The answer is no anon.

It was a ruse on saurons part to piss of aragorn and to figure out in parts what they were planning. He was hoping aragorn would sperg out

>>79096817
>The Witch-king of Angmar sent them to the Barrow-downs, in order to prevent a resurrection of the destroyed Dúnedain kingdom of Cardolan. The spirits stirred the dead bones in the mounds and haunted them
>Due to his inspiration from Hrómundar saga Gripssonar, during the writing of The Lord of the Rings (see The History of The Lord of the Rings) Tolkien at first foresaw a link between the wights and the Ringwraiths, initially describing the Black Riders as horsed Wights, but the suggestion that they were the same kind of creatures was dropped in the published work
>In the final work there remained a link between them: the wights were now spirits sent by the Witch-king.
>In T.A. 1636 those people who remained in the Barrow-downs died from the Great Plague. Angmar then sent Barrow-wights to infest and haunt the downs. Arthedain managed to reconquer the land briefly, but few people wished to live there on account of the Barrow-wights, and Cardolan was soon lost again.[1]
But yeah sure, these blades only existed to kill one Nazgul, hell I don't even know how Cardolan managed to lose the war with such a weapon . Kill yourself

>>79096861
Sauron only knew he had the ring when he put it on in Mount Doom

>>79096817
idk what you're arguing about but you need to calm down you raging autist

>>79096918
THE

BLADE

KILLS

SHIT

FROM

ANGMAR

YOU FUCKING RETARD

Are you fuckign somalian? Are you a fuckign nigger? How can you be this fuckign retarded and have fuckign internet connection. OBAMA PHONE WERE A FUCKING MISTAKE

>>79096900
But why would Frodo be trying to sneak into Mordor? Sauron had to know that Frodo was part of the Fellowship so it's conceivable that the had the ring.

Why didn't Grandelf just zzap Sauron in his big fucking eye?

>>79096861
>So Sauron knew Frodo had the ring (I think)
No he fucking didn't.

>>79096941
Idiot, Sauron thought Pippin had the ring after he looked into the seeing eye, and knew a hobbit held the ring

>>79097014
>But why would Frodo be trying to sneak into Mordor?
As a spy.

> Sauron had to know that Frodo was part of the Fellowship
Sauron has no idea what the Fellowship is.

>>79097006
Yeah shit from Angmar, not the With King himself dumb fuck
>>79097047
Pippin isn't Frodo fuckhead

>>79097047
if he thought pippin had the ring, even more reason to think frodo was a spy

>>79097110
>Pippin isn't Frodo

uhhhhhhh i know idiot

>>79096858

>y not just ride the eagle to mt doom

What a moron

agree with all his other points though

>>79097145
Then how would he fucking know Frodo had the ring because he thought Pippin did? Show your working

>>79094711
the fell beasts aren't particularly tough in the books, they are described as quite scrawny and nothing like the gigantic dino-wyverns we got. They certainly don't pick up horse and rider and throw them like in the movies, and Legolas kills one with an extreme range shot going UPWARDS meaning the arrow would've hit with barely any force.

>>79097182
nah ur 2 dumb too understand

>>79097110
>not the With King himself
you wot

>>79096858
Douge is fucking retarded as usual

>>79097176
>agree with all his other points though

All of them? Did you even watch it? Only about 2 of the points even make sense, many of them are objectively wrong.

Why didn't Sauron just use Stinger missile to kill eagles?

>>79097293
Why didn't Sauron wear his ring on his toe? Then it wouldn't have gotten cut off

Why did Gandalf's staff burst in Minas Tirith and did that mean he could no longer use magic?

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Why didn't the fellowship just develop combined arms tactics and smash through Sauron's army in a blitzkreig like fashion?

>>79097110
he is the witch king of angmar, you dunce.

>>79097110
>>79097253
You guys are arguing semantics, it's impossible for either of you to ever win this argument because you're both half-right.

>>79097317
He might've stepped on a stray lego(las)

>>79097364
>Why can't you both win?

Fuck off mom

>>79097364
No, nononononono.

Witch King of Angmar.

Blade made to kill Angmar

Fucking book tells it when Meriadoc stab it

No fucking 50/50, that retard merit being called a low IQ fuckup

>>79097342
OK, so guns are designed to kill people, but then you shoot someone with body armour. Same shit with the blades of westernesse, they don't work properly against the Nazgul, Merry just got lucky he had wonder woman to stab the cunt in the face immediately after he temporarily fucked his shit up, this is even stated in the book

>>79094711
because its part of the plot

>>79097412
You literally just want to argue for the sake of arguing, really tiresome.

Im reading Fellowship for the first time right now. My biggest question rn is why the FUCK did elrond just allow Mary and Pippin to go along?

If he had sent two other elves or boromir tier men they would've had such an easier time. They basically said "Yo we will follow them if you dont let us go!" and he pondered it for two sentences and then said "ok yeah sure."

>For you, the ring is your one last impossible shot at saving every living thing in this world. But for me, its just a ring

Yo, book autists.


What's the end boss of the LotR universe?

>>79097458
The other person is being retarded

>>79097468
tom bombadil

>>79097461
Because he's going to fuck off to Valinor anyway, Elrond is an asshole

>>79097461

He foresaw their role.

>>79097461
To confuse the enemy?

They were looking for a hobbit, but they do not know which one, it worked later with pippin

>>79096511
>No they were made to kill the wights
No anon. They're blades of westerness, of the kingdom of Arnor, which was in constant war with Angmar. As in the Witch King of...

The blade was specifically forged to break the curse on the witch king so he could be slain.

>>79097468
>never read the hobbit
smaug is the powerfullest creature

>>79097461
I'm guessing he was impressed by what he saw from the four hobbits so far, so he figured they'd be somehow useful along the way

>>79097468
gandalf

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>>79096727

>>79097435
Why

Why is it so hard to fucking argue with litteral mongoloid

READ AND WEEP, YOU FUCKING BABOON

http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Daggers_of_Westernesse

>>79097468
Ur mom

>>79096449
Literally doesn't say that " literally created for the purpose of killing witch king and had spells designed to make him mortal again"

Stop making things up, kid.

>>79097461
As Bilbo has proved you should never underestimate a Hobbit

Why not just ask Tom Bombadil to go to Mount Doom and drop it off and tell him there's gonna be a grand feast and the greatest party in middle earth in Gondor for him afterwards.

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The hobbits literally ask that question in the books.

Aragorn explains that the Dark Riders are weak in bright, open places with a lot of people and prefer to stay in the dark and strike from the shadows. It's symbolic for their ghostly being, removed from actual life.

>>79097468
The reader. ;^)

>>79097634
He'd forgot about it on the way to the bridge 15m from his house

>>79097461
They REALLY wanted to go and they would have followed and possibly fucked it up if not.

Also, Gandlaf argued than it was much more a mission of stealth, and that filling the last 2 spot with ubermensch like Glorfindel wouldn't help much for this

>>79097634
He'd forget what it was and throw it away

>>79097615
hey
>>79097581
have a look

>>79097657
>>79097648
The fuck? Did he have Alzheimers or some shit?

What a fucking dumb cunt.

I remember when I was at school and were watch the films and some nerd mentioned Tom Bombadil and we bullied him so much he changed schools lmfao what a nerd he was

>>79097695
He had ADHD

>>79097695
no refer to this>>79097462

for Tom Bombadil its just pocket trash

>>79097695
He literally doesn't care. He's fucking a RIVER and you aren't worth the time, kiddo

>>79097634
The hobbits literally ask him to join them at least to Bree and he just smiles awkwardly and says that he can't leave his forest. Read the books you fucking niggers.

>>79097461
>Bringing dopplegangers for the VIP isn't smart

No one knew who Frodo was, only that he was a hobbit. Only Sauron did after Frodo put on the ring multiple times, and he didn't have comms to everyone of his sympathizers across all of middle-earth.

>>79097461
>why the FUCK did elrond just allow Mary and Pippin to go along?
Because they wouldn't be safe going back to the shire, and if they stayed in Rivendell they would have had nothing to do but worry about their friend. He also knew Frodo would need people he could trust around him. It wasn't a mission was would be won by force, but by stealth, and Hobbits have +10 against all detection rolls. Also from experiences with Bilbo that it's hard to account for hobbits. Plus they had just as much stake as anyone else did, so they had a right to see the fellowship through as far as they could.
And ultimately, thank fuck they did because Merry and Pippin ended up being super useful.

>>79097695
He was easily distracted. He'd forget about his quest like a minute after he left his house because he'd see an intersting bird or some shit and would play with it instead of going anywhere. Besides, he was powerful, but not powerful enough to solo all Saurons force and attack fucking Mordor by himself

>>79097848
>but not powerful enough to solo all Saurons force and attack fucking Mordor by himself
I bet he could solo the witch king in his forest though

>>79097581
>They were made for fighting forces sent from Angmar.

>>79097412
>Blade made to kill Angmar

That's his point, it's made to kill Angmar but not specifically the Witch-King of Angmar.

>>79094725
/thread

>>79097878
Damn sure. There are a surprising amount of beign that could fuck up nazgulls. like Glorfy and the other old elves

The problem is that they come back.

>>79097898
>>79097903

It's already been explained. Pleas,e stop being retarded

http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Daggers_of_Westernesse

>>79097695
He was born without any fucks to give. Nothing on middle earth was a threat to him, so why worry about anything? Sing your songs, fuck river-bitches, and hang out with treebros all day, erry day.
You don't send someone on a high stakes mission who has no concept of risk.

>>79094733
But they always wear hoods and ride horses.

>>79096579
kek

>>79097969
No need to post the same link twice buddy.

>>79097461
They started out as buffoons but they made all the difference. Elrond knew this.

They saved Frodo many times. They rekt Isengard. Fucked up the deranged Steward of Gondor and helped slay Witch King of Angmar.

>>79095239
What is this from? I see it posted all the time.

>>79098063
Marvel 2: The Civil War

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>>79097461

Because Tolkien realized that having a walking weapon like Glorfindel in the fellowship would have taken away all tension from their journey.

He literally solo'd a Balrog with just a sword during the 1st age.

>>79097796
>Only Sauron did after Frodo put on the ring multiple times
No, he didn't. Remember when pippin picks up the palantir? Sauron thinks he's the ringbearer, which is why gandalf takes him to gondor to be the lynch pin in their ruse to focus sauron's attention at them.
Even after Frodo is captured, the enemy doesn't have any idea he had the ring (or that they were planning on destroying it). They just thought he was a spy, working with an elf warrior.

Can we all agree that Hobbits are the master race?

>>79097468

The Night's King

>>79094880
Because the LotR films are literary blessed by god and the 15 year old CGI looks better than what we get nowadays.

>>79098010
I thought it was, since apparently the tards missed it the first time

Next step is to get them to learn to read.

>>79098079
>He literally solo'd a Balrog with just a sword during the 1st age.
That's actually a different elf named Glorfindel. Some speculate that its the reincarnation of the original, but I don't think there's any textual evidence to support that.

>>79098090
>When you are a lowly hobbit gardener but you love your boss so much that you wound a ancient abomination then fucking attack a orc towers alone to save him
>When you fucking suceed and they fuckign think you are a mighty elf warrior and not a 1 meter tall fatty with a shiny sword


Fuck me i like samwise

>>79098149
Gandalf letter go a bit more indept, basically he wanted to reuse the character, so they ARE the same glorfindel. Simply coming back like Gandalf did is probable.

>>79098218
I meant tolkien, d'uh

>>79098090
Aha. I thought Frodo and Sauron saw each other when he put on the ring and had those twisted visions. I guess it was more metaphorical then.

I guess only the Nazguls could sense it after someone put it on like a radar beep. But not when no one was wearing it.

>>79098149
Its the same nigga, elven names do not repeat and even Tolkien himself confirmed its the same character

>>79098149
Pretty sure Tolkein himself said it was the same guy. it wasn't supposed to be but then tolkein fucked up and he was like "ya whatever they're the same"

>Ring Wraiths vs 1000 Uruk Hai

Who would win? Open field brawl.

>>79098120
It doesn't say anywhere it was made ONLY for killing the Witch-King does it?

>>79098120
Your link proves you wrong though, kiddo.

>>79098369
Uruk Hai.

They were solo'd by Arwen and by Aragorn. They don't seem very powerful. They're just twisted ghosts.

>>79098428
>>79098371
Ah, so we have 2 retards.

Not, it's not made only to kill angmar. It's made for killing fighters of Angmar. Like the King, for example.

>>79098428
Where, mongo-sama

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What was his fucking problem?

>>79098470
he wanted a friend :(

>>79098470
people getting in his room.. He was REEEEE-ing hard

>>79098470
They were trespassing on his pool. He had every right.

>Don't tread on me

But they did.

>>79098467
>They were made for fighting forces sent from Angmar

Right there, kid.

Are there no friendly dragons in middle-earth? There used to be dragons in the northern mountains and shit right?

A dragon could surely solo Sauron's army.

>>79098529
Wow, did you know that the king (of angmar) fought for a country (named angmar) and that the kingdom he was trying to conquer (NOT angmar) forged blade to kill things coming from (Angmar), like say, its king (the Angmar one)

>>79098580
Dragons are creatures created by Morgoth, they are all evil.

>>79098580
I imagine friendly dragons would be pretty beta. Wouldn't survive long amongst Smaug etc.

>>79098467
I dunno if I'd say that so much as they were made by superior numenorean smiths hence why the blades survive so well for centuries. It's like orcrist, glamdring and sting, they are good blades cos high elves made them not because they were made as anti-goblin or angmar blades. Also Frodo has one and slashes the witch-king and the WK is unhurt.

>>79098260
The flaming lidless eye is mentioned in the book, but its used as a metaphor for the unblinking sinister will of the enemy, and not his actual presence.
Secondly, tt's also used like a brand logo in that his armies use it, and even the bugs in mordor have a pattern that resembles the eye. So people identify saron as "the eye" because anyone unfortunate enough to have dealings with mordor will probably never see the big guy personally, but will be too familiar with his effigy.

>>79098592
You have been comprehensively destroyed.

Now pipe down.

>>79098467
>>79098428
>Not, it's not made only to kill angmar. It's made for killing fighters of Angmar.

That's what you're arguing about.

>Merry's blade was literally created for the purpose of killing witch king.

That's what you said to begin with.

Then >>79098428 replied to you with the saying the blade was not specifically made to kill the witch-king.

tl:dr you are both retards

>>79098467
Time to stop posting.

>>79098618
>Also Frodo has one and slashes the witch-king and the WK is unhurt.
Wrong. Frodo does not connect. Tolkien said this act however deeply frightened him, because Frodo both defied him, and was wielding a blade that could have killed him.

>>79098521
>Fucking hobbits, get out of my lake REEEEEEEEEEEEE
I like it.

>>79098629
I won, I won, don't bother actually reading the book, ahahaha

That's you, that's the state of your retardation

You are fuckign arguing that the barrow wight blades weren't made to kill angmar forces including the witch king. You are a fuckign waste of carbon

>>79098647
Time to stop being a fuckign retard. THe best solution is to apply gun to head, since you are unable to fuckign read

>>79098677
10/10 trolling that you kept them going this whole thread

This thread is embarrassing for both of those autists.

Literally middle-school fedora tier lmao.

>>79098652
That wasn't the witch king though, just one of the other nine. I think there were only 4 or 5 in the shire and surrounding area. Witch king was back in Morgul being spoopy.

>>79098677
>Merry's blade was literally created for the purpose of killing witch king.

is not

>They were made for fighting forces sent from Angmar

>>79098735
Why did you read all of it?

>>79096858
I genuinely hope this faggot fucking dies.
Not even because of this video. I hate everything about him.

>>79098749
nostalgia

>>79098752
>wasting energy on literal who's from youtube
Why?

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>>79097562
>Smaugbabbys

Friendly reminder

>>79098708
nah, he just misunderstood a lot of things because he can't speak english that well.

>>79098742
Is the witch king of angmar from angmar ?

THen the blade, beign made to kill shit from Angmar, was literally made to kill the witch king (and other angmar shit)

How hard did you fail logic 101

Hell, fuck it, let me dumb it down to your tard level

I made a DOG killing sword.
I want to use it on the Spaniel (of Angmar)
Was the sword made to kill that spaniel? Yes, because the spaniel is a dog, and the blade is made to kill dogs.

DO you need fuckign VENN DIAGRAMS to show you the intersection of From Angmar and King of Angmar?

>>79098740
Never EVER fucking post again.

Why didn't Aragorn and Sauron have a Kung Fu battle?

>>79098470
>Travellers come to my land
>they tread in my pool, this violating NAP
>wreck their shit

>>79094711
What were those things meant to be?

Lizards? Like pterodactyls.

>>79098861
Incorrect, kid.

>>79098646
>>Merry's blade was literally created for the purpose of killing witch king.
>That's what you said to begin with.
It was me and I never posted in this discussion again and realize that i was wrong. I'm as baffled as anyone by the shit going on in this thread

>>79098947
Where, little mongo, explain it.

>>79098958
autistm

>>79098652
It never says it didn't connect, Aragorn/Strider shows the tattered rags and says 'this is all the damage it did him' and 'no blade can pierce the morgul king' or something and also that shouting elbereth did more harm. Nothing about whether it connected.

>>79098740
It was, Frodo jumps to the WKs feet and slashes and it forces the WK to stab his shoulder (obviously aiming for the heart) and it saves Frodo.

>He had been shaken by the fire of Gandalf, and began to perceive that the mission on which Sauron had sent him was one of great peril to himself both by the way, and on his return to his Master (if unsuccessful); and he had been doing ill, so far achieving nothing save rousing the power of the Wise and directing them to the Ring. but above all the timid and terrified Bearer had resisted him, had dared to strike at him with an enchanted sword made by his own enemies long ago for his destruction. Narrowly it had missed him.

>made by his own enemies long ago for his destruction

>>79098981
>THen the blade, beign made to kill shit from Angmar, was literally made to kill the witch king (and other angmar shit)

Right there.

>>79098994
See >>79099005
>Narrowly it had missed him.

But you shouldn't require supplementary material from Tolkien to know that Frodo missed, since Aragorn says in the chapter that all blades that touch the Witch King are destroyed (confirmed later when Merry does strike him), and Frodo's blade survives until being destroyed at the Ford.

>>79099032
So, if i made a blade to specifically kill your familly, it's not specifically made to kill you also?

Hint : You is a smaller subset of Your Familly

>>79098941
It's described as looking like a giant featherless bird-monster. Sauron had bred them for generation feeding them corrupted flesh and other awful things to create them.

>>79099084
see >>79098958 and realize how pointless your argument is.

>>79099084
No.

You may as well say the blade is designed for killing everything.

>>79099099
Also goes with the princip that evil cannot create, only imitate and corrupt. Same way trolls are weaker than ents, and orc weaker than elves.. it was probably his attempt at the eagles.

And he would certainly know how strong the eagles are, seeing as his boss morgoth got fuckign clawed in the face by Thorondor.

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>>79097975
>He was born without any fucks to give. Nothing on middle earth was a threat to him, so why worry about anything? Sing your songs, fuck river-bitches, and hang out with treebros all day, erry day.
>You will never be Tom Bobadil

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>tfw lotr autism arguments are back on the menu

>>79099142
So, you are actually under 85 IQ. I had to explain the same to an actual niggers, and he eventually catched on.

>>79099189
Edgy, kid.

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>>79099165
TOM BOM
JOLLY TOM!

>>79099219
Nigger confirmed. I wish i didn't lose that time on your subhuman self.

>>79099267
You're so kewl.

>>79099289
>>79099267
get a room

>>79099267
Virgin confirmed.

>>79099267
>>79099289
Fuck and get it over with, you turbo-autists. You're embarrassing yourselves and everyone thinks you're both faggots.

>>79099329
Pipe down, gayboi.

>>79099329
>>79099315
>>79099302
>>79099289

Fuck, i had forgot that /tv/ was onyl 2nd to /co/ as a haven for leftycuck and pedos. Apologies

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>>79099189
>you are under 85 iq
>catched on
>an actual niggers

Man. What's that quote about white supremacy just being a way for dumb white dudes to feel superior to someone, anyone?

>>79096389
Imported them from Australia alongside Shelob

>>79099404
>it's a braindead conservitard episode

>>79096172
The ironic part is that in the books it is stated that Mt Doom kept on erupting from time to time so Sauron actually had ordered more than once that the entrance and stairs to the volcano were to be rebuilt
For him mt Doom was the place where he had forged the One Ring, his materpiece, basically the volcano was just a monument to his own greatness

>tfw no comfy lotr lore thread because of autists
Feels bad lads

>>79099186
where does this meme come from? Tom isn't powerful at all besides tending a small 'enclave', understanding creation amgic singing and befriending an elemental maiden. The ring isn't a major deal either, I doubt the ring would do much for a dragon or troll either. It just doesn't have any power over him.

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>every lotr thread is the same dumb meme questions

>tfw you're beginning to hate 4chan
>tfw you can't stop browsing

>>79099450
>ring wouldn't do much to a dragon

actually a dragon with the one ring is a worst case scenario just slightly below sauron with the one ring
many a dragon would be powerful enough to fully claim it

Will Melkor and Sauron be redeemed after the Dagor Dagorath?

>>79099450
>The ring isn't a major deal either, I doubt the ring would do much for a dragon or troll either
Could a troll wearing the one ring resist being turned to stone by the sun?

>>79097317
Why didn't he make it a cock ring and rape the shit out of isildurs twink ass with the one dick to rule them all?

>>79099525
Tolkien abandoned trying to finalize it, but the latest versions involved Turin killing Morgoth, so no.

>>79099554
Sauron, being Melkor's subordinate for so long, was a natural bottom; he didn't have it in him.

>>79099550
seems like the sort of thing that could happen
alternatively it would greatly increase its strength and possibly give it limited dominion over other trolls
it'd be one tough motherfucker to take down for sure but it'd still be a troll, its not powerful enough to claim the one ring

>>79099571
You would have thought redemption, even for the most evil beings, would have been better fitting for Eru, an all benevolent deity's, plan for the world than destruction, but Tolkien's decision I suppose.

>>79099493
>50yr old well loved novel with every shade of fan inspires discussion over its still unanswered plot holes

who'd have thought?

>>79098262
Hahahaha what a hack

>>79099655
Well I mean Feanor would get some redemption since he's supposed to get the Silmarils back and then willingly give them up, but Morgoth is too far gone.

>>79099503
It's too small for a dragon.

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>>79099444
confirmed with a full house, dubs and trips.

>saurons life is tied to the one ring
>He is literally immortal as long as it exists
>It can only be destroyed in a volcano deep within his own borders with one entrance
>It's unguarded

>>79097317
What's the point of ruling them all if you can't show off your bling to your enemies?

>>79099726
it grows to pretty much any size, and also gets larger in fire. Dragons have had dwarf rings in their hoards but don't give a fuck so I doubt a dragon would even use the one. But then thats a similar situation to Bombadil: the rign would have no effect because the being is greater/older/non corruptable

>>79099752
>place guards at entrance
>enemy puts the ring on and walks past
Only the wraiths would be useful guards and theyre busy looking for the ring

>>79099786
Incorrect.

>>79097468
Seriously, it's Morgoth.

>>79099752
Because he thinks the ring is in Gondor ( due to Pippin checking ou the Palantyr, and after a fair bit of his army is defeated they show up at his door with the descendant of the guy who fucked him up. So, he's a bit preoccupied.

Fat chances than 2 hobbits would escape the spawn of a ancient abomination then go on foot up a giant volcano.

>>79094931
(You)

>>79099786
>Dragons have had dwarf rings in their hoards
Wrong. Dragons roasted some dwarves that had rings, they didn't survive. The only surviving dwarf rings were in Sauron's procession.

>>79099808
>>79099841
Why not just barricade the entrance with rocks or something

>>79099882
Because Sauron never for one second imagines anyone would ever destroy the ring.

This is stated in the movies. This is stated in the books. Even if you had no knowledge of either and just stumbled into this thread, it's been stated here too. So you have literally no excuse and are just a pure troll.

>>79099917
Well it did happen and it destroyed him. It's the equivalent to the air vent in the death star

>>79095154

>telegraph his plans

>ring might be in shire STOP pls find STOP
>also, fuck elves Stop

>>79099882
Nobody would destroy it willingly in that place, Smeagol saved middle earth by being a jaunty, prancing faggit

>>79099882
He fucking uses it, it was stated in this very thread before that its his fucking study you mongrel

>>79099974
>Well it did happen
No it didn't. Nobody willingly destroyed the ring.

>>79099752
>didn't read the thread before replying
If you have the one ring in your possession, you could not physically bring yourself to destroy the ring.
The only reason it worked with frodo is because Gollum broke the oath he swore BY THE RING ITSELF to not hurt frodo or try to take the ring back for his own. Frodo warns him that the ring is treacherous, and will hold him to his oath.
Gollum breaks his oath, and is immediately punished by tripping and falling into the lava. The ring playing itself (and the rescue by the eagles) was basically a divine intervention/twist of fate. Tolkien himself said something to the effect that it was there to represent the fact that the tasks the hobbits accepted went beyond their physical capability, that this final "nudge" is there to reward their spiritual strength. All if that is the third theme of the ainulindale, the final theme that ultimately turned Melkor's discords into music so beautifully tragic that it made pandimensional space angels weep.

>>79099851
yeah he got them off Dragons.

>>79100016
>>79100090
>>79100061
OK I get that both people who stood there to destroy it failed, and it was kind of an accident.

That still doesn't answer why the opportunity is even there. To lure the bearer to mordor?

>>79100139
I love these threads because people just fucking make up whatever they want and pretend its fact.

The only dwarven ring we know how Sauron got was Thrain's because he captured him.

>>79100156
>To lure the bearer to mordor?
How many fucking times does it need to be repeated before you fucking understand

Sauron NEVER considered the idea that anyone would want to destroy the ring. Only when Frodo puts on the ring at the very end does he realize what's going on, and he completely panics.

>>79100156
Because nobody would destroy it.

It's not hard. NOBODY would destroy it.

What he apparently needed was a very fine net.

>>79100156
Because he was using it. It was his office and library, he was doing his magic shit there. And he never imagined that the plan would be to destroy the ring since it would make no sense to him or that someone could infiltrate that far into his country

>>79100139
Re-read the Council of Elrond chapter in fellowship. Gloin and Gimli were sent to Elrond for council because the mouth of sauron had come to the lonely mountain and offered to give them back one of the seven rings, and then gandalf accounts for all the rings. Stating that 4 were swallowed or destroyed by dragons, two had been recovered by sauron previously, and the last was in Thrain's posession when he wandered into Dol Guldur.
The 9 were obviously with the wraiths, and the three were held by elf lords and gandalf.

>>79100341
Didn't Saruman have one?

>>79100293
He wasn't very bright then.

Bad writing imo.

>>79100394
That was his own creation, he was experimenting with making rings.

>>79100428
Sauron believes in above else power and domination. The ring is power and domination incarnate. He believes that anyone who possessed it would of course use it. The idea that someone would reject power, and instead seek to destroy it was inconceivable to him.

>>79100394
Nope. Gandalf Elrond and Galadriel

>>79100428
Yeah, it's almost like his pride was his undoing... what a fucking hack!

>>79100156
>every thread

this question is becoming the new eagles.

>>79100502
Like I said. Not very bright.

>>79100428
Destroying a ring would be like willingly getting rid of a nuclear arsenal. I'm pretty sure that US military does not have any plans in case Russians would just throw out all their nukes because the very idea never crossed their minds. Do you getvit now?

>>79100502
>>79100502
Like I said. Not very bright.

>>79100269
>>79100262
So why does he think nobody wants to destroy it if it's the only thing that can kill him?

>>79100517
What did Gandalf's ring do? It didn't recharge his mana

>>79100643
>it is explicitlt said that plan to.destroy the ring is absolutely mad and thats the only reson it could work
>everything that Gandalf, Aragorn, and by extension Gondor and Rohan do is to make sure that Sauron takes the bate and thinks they plan to use the ring thus making him exposed
>it is said multiple times and tricking sauron is generally over half of the fucking plot of the book
>dumbass on /tv/ still does not get it

>>79100822
Idk.about the books in the movie it seems that everyone knows sauron can be destroyed by destroying the ring in the volcano. There is no mention of baiting him.

>>79100643
He's a disciple of Aule originally. He's canonically one of the craftiest motherfuckers in existence. His pride and arrogance were his ultimate undoing. When Frodo put the ring on, inside the mountain the "Magnitude of [sauron's] folly was laid bare..." It's a pretty common recurring theme in theater, literature, and oral tradition dating back to antiquity.

>>79100785
As already stated IN THIS THREAD if someone were to master the ring and overthrow him (which is what he expects and fears) he would be destroyed.

>>79100785
Because using it to take his place makes infinietly more sense. Its the fucking idea of power put into an item, the most valuable thing ever created. And nobody can willingly give up the ring or destroy it, it was an accodent or divine intervention if you will that Frodo succeded

>>79100909
Really?? I believe you guys because you read the books, but I think in the movies it is said that the ring doesn't actually give incredible power to anyone except sauron. That it only makes the bearer believe he is strong enough to defeat sauron, so he will bring it to mordor

>>79100643
>>79100709
wouldn't say that, Isildur was a far greater man than any in the third age and he didn't destroy it. When Sauron was gone it didn't seem like a problem and when he returned they didn't neccessarily know that it would destroy sauron if they destroyed the ring, they just knew that if he got it there'd be no stopping him.

>>79100917
I get that, but I thought the ring only gave real.power to sauron. Gandalf says it in the movie, that the ring only tricks others into thinking they can defeat sauron

>>79100785
Because:
A) the ring has a will of its own that exerts influence over whoever has it, unless they're elder elf lord tier or higher
B) There are exactly 4 people in middle earth who would even know HOW to destroy it
C) The place to destroy it is located smack dab in the middle of a place that was literally modeled after WWI no-man's land that was literally an impenetrable fortress guarded by impenetrable fortresses
D) Next door to Satan's house

>>79100887
Everything that happens since Pippin looked into palantir is ana act by Gandalf to make Sauron think that Aragorn has the ring and is going to challenge him. Thats why they did suicide attack at black.gate, Sauron thought that Aragorn is gonna reveal himself with the ring there and challenge him so he threw eveything he had at him to get back the ring thus clearing the road for Frodo and Sam

>>79100962
>He supposes that we were all going to Minas Tirith; for that is what he would himself have done in our place. And according to his wisdom it would have been a heavy stroke against his power. Indeed he is in great fear, not knowing what mighty one may suddenly appear, wielding the Ring, and assailing him with war, seeking to cast him down and take his place.

>>79100970
>When Sauron was gone it didn't seem like a problem
It betrayed Isildur and caused him to get killed. It sinks to the river bottom ad waits there while Sauron lays low and regains his strength.
The first thing it does when some nice little hobbit-kin finds it a few hundred years later, is drive him to murder his best friend, and eventually crawl under a mountain and eat orcs he murders with his bare hands when he wants a change from fish.
The only reason it doesn't affect Bilbo nearly as badly is because he comes across it honestly ( as opposed to Smeagol who killed Deagol), and it was given freely to Frodo. Basically they remained pure enough that the ring had nothing to really corrupt them with. Also sauron was only beginning to emerge from the shadows, so he wasn't calling out to the ring.

>>79100805
it greatly enhanced his ability to inspire men into action

tolkien's magic is vastly more subtle than most other forms

>>79101060
That makes a lot more sense now. What do you mean by gandalf trying to trick sauron?

>>79101227
my point was that no one knew if destroying the ring would fully destroy Sauron though. I agree its odd because Gandalf says the ring after Isildur gets it is totally forgotten and not talked about, but then Gondorians also call it his 'bane' so either they know it draws evil (the gladden orcs) or that it makes the wearer invisible, which seems unlikely. So why Boromir instantly assumes it can be wielded I don't know. Little discrepancy of Tolkiens' I guess.

>>79100643

Did you even watch the movie/read the fucking books? The only reason the Ring was destroyed was because of a fucking greed-induced ethiopian tackling the bearer. Jfc kys fgt

>>79101446
>What do you mean by gandalf trying to trick sauron?
It was all a ruse to keep Sauron's attention focused on Gondor to give the real mission, frodo getting the ring to the cracks of doom, a chance of survival.

>>79101490
>, but then Gondorians also call it his 'bane'
No they don't. Boromir has no idea what "Isildur's Bane" is and didn't know Isildur had it with him when he died.

Does Galadriel riverdance?

>>79101512
So that's why mordor launches an all out attack on minas tirith?

>>79101598
Yes.

>For imagining war he has let loose war, believing that he has no time to waste; for he that strikes the first blow, if he strikes it hard enough, may need to strike no more. So the forces that he has long been preparing he is now setting in motion, sooner than he intended.

>>79101446
He was feeding him scraps of information to make him misjudge the situation. After Pippin looked into palantir he took him to minas tirith to make sauron think that pippin had the ring, sauron only knew halfling had itband thatvhe would theke the ring there if he was in their place. In minas tirith Pippin spilled the beans about Aragorn to Denethor, who fed the information to Sauron via Palantir. So now Sauron thought that both the ring and about the only man with willpower to xontrol thenie ring and challenge him were in Gondor, which made him invadebit quicker. Then Aragorn used army of the dead to compketly wipe out his armies. It made Sauron think that Aragorn used the ring to destroy his armies and now is coming to destroy him. They sold the story brilliantly, Sauron didnt even think.about other possibilities

>>79101598
yup, Sauron wanted to destroy Minas Tirith before Aragorn could claim the one ring and the throne of Gondor at the same time

In his mind that was the biggest and only remaining threat to his conquest left which caused him to tunnel vision hard.

Without that he'd have likely waited several months before striking Minas Tirith with a larger, better prepared force, and during those months Mt Doom would have been virtually unreachable due to the sheer number of orcs massing there, as well as the 9 being free to hunt for the ring instead of aiding with the invasion.

I feel like rewatching the trilogy

>>79101598
Well they were always going to attack it, at the same time gondor was fighting there were simultaneous attacks on Lorien and the Lonely mountain.

>>79101659
well in the book the army of the dead wasn't used to free Minas Tirith but rather to conquer the ships blocking the river Anduin estuary, then use those to transport all the gondorian troops which had been stuck thanks to that blockade

it were those unexpected reinforcements that finally tipped the battle into the favor of the good guys but it was still a long and bloody fight in which thousands of men lost their lives and many a great ruler was slain, so bloody in fact nobody wrote any songs about it.

Movie cut out that part.

>>79100996
The ring's true power can likely be wielded by beings other than Sauron, as long as they're powerful enough. Gandalf and Galadriel, for instance, could have likely unlocked the ring's power if they had possessed it. I say likely because no one else powerful enough ever did possess the ring.

We know that this is the case because it's something that Sauron himself fears.

>>79095483
>So even a perfect storm where the heir of Isildur had stepped forward, claimed the ring as his own, defeated every last enemy of mordor, and made sauron submit to defeat - sauron still wins in the end
sounds like Canada desu

>>79101827
Aragorn as well, as rightful king of Gondor and Arnor, and he was the one Sauron feared most.

>>79095640
if you spend all night trying to fuck a girl at the bar and then chad swoops in at the last second and steals her, are you still happy?

>>79101507
Actually, the only reason the ring was destroyed was because Eru intervened and caused Gollum to slip into the fire. It took a literal act of god for the ring to be destroyed.

>>79101905

That's bullshit and you know it

>>79101827
Aragorn was implied to be strong enough to claim it as his own, which is part of the reason sauron feared him so much. The offer of the ring to these people with that power level is a test that each one of them faces, and by rejecting it they prove themselves to be pure of spirit. In aragorn's case this is the thing that gives him the divine mandate to rule since his people fell from grace because of their temptation and desire.

>>79101827
Interesting stuff. I haven't read the books yet, but the movies are obviously from the fellowship's POV so you don't get much info about what sauron fears.

>>79101905
to be fair though, the intervention was as small as it was significant

the journey to the furnace was entirely the accomplishment of ringbearers (Sam is one of them)

>>79101934
That's literally what happens though.

>>79101870
>Don't fight terrorists that's how they win

>>79101934
Read Tolkien's letters before posting faggot.

>>79101959
its a test regardless of power level
the tests Frodo and Sam faced were in no way lesser than Aragorn, heck the fact they actually carried (in Frodo's case for years) without claiming it makes their test even larger and their accomplishment greater.

And while its true Frodo in the end tried to claim it, he was at that point under so much duress nobody in middle earth could have withstood it

>>79096900
>>79096861
>>79096941

Sauron sees Frodo wearing the ring at the end of Fellowship

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>>79099666
>unanswered plot holes
get out of here satan

>>79102089
he sees a hobbit wear the one ring
and he doesn't see the physical form, just the spiritual shadow of a creature adapt at hiding beyond any others in the world

the only info he got from that is a hobbit has the ring, it'd be like you looking at an ant for 5 seconds, then trying to tell it apart from all other ants

if someone like Gandalf wore the ring he'd have known exactly who it was, but not a hobbit

>>79097403
underrated

>>79102186
ok, but if you know a hobbit has the ring and then you catch two hobbits sneaking into the one place where the ring could be destroyed, wouldnt it cross your mind for just a second that maybe they could be taking the ring to mt doom?
Enough that you might consider diverting 5 of your thousands of soldiers to watch the door?

>>79102420
that's literally the point that has been made several times

Sauron was a creature of domination so thorough it could not conceive of anyone carrying something as powerful as the one ring without the intend of using it.

>>79102420
>and then you catch two hobbits
Anon do you think an orc of mordor knows what the fuck a hobbit was? They just thought they caught some spy, and everyone in the tower ended up dying before any information could be sent out.

>>79102510
The guy makes a point though. So the orcs don't know about the ring either?

>>79102477
>that's literally the point that has been made several times
I know, I just cant agree with that
I get not considering the destruction of the ring all the way up until Frodos capture but you would think he would maybe consider the smallest possibility of it happening

>>79102510
the information clearly got out. Thats how the mouth of Sauron had frodos armor. You even see that one orc running away with Frodos stuff while everyone else is dying in the extended editions
Even if the orcs dont know what a hobbit is, Sauron knew that what they captured was a friend of Gandalf, thats why he made the mouth show him the armor

>>79102606
>I get not considering the destruction of the ring all the way up until Frodos capture but you would think he would maybe consider the smallest possibility of it happening once he found frodo sneaking into Mordor

>>79102592
Why in gods name would Sauron tell the orcs of the ring?

>>79102606
at the moment he was captured, as far as he was aware, literally everything pointed towards Aragorn claiming the one ring

>>79101827
Elrond and Glorfindel, Saruman and MAYBE the other wizards, but that's getting fuzzy there.

>>79094880
the reason everything still looks good is because they'd make a miniature and then scan it into a 3d model. They show it in one of the behind the scenes video.

>>79102646
he didnt have to tell them what it was but he could make it very clear that any ring was to be turned into someone in charge who did know of the one ring

>>79102592
Orc that were sent after fellowsip only knew that one of the halflings had some elvish weapon on him and thats why they are needed alive. and that info was on a need to know basis as well. Of course normal grunts didnt know shit

>>79102708
which he did tell them, and even then orcish greed got the better of them over Frodo's armor which they assumed was the elvish weapon