>somehow the chinese general knows to give his number to her

You should really stick to capeshit. Nobody has the time to hold your hand

>>79082767
How could she possibly have not remembered she called the chinese general and told him his wife's dying words if it had happened? If that were true wouldn't it prevent that whole UN ball from even happening?

>>79082844
She skipped to that moment from the moment she was currently living

Because predestination

>>79082767
>not creating a life, even knowing it will end quickly and cause you pain
That's just dumb and selfish.
And obviously she chose that, no one is saying she didn't have a choice

>>79082840
>i don't want to seem stupid so i pretend that the movie was amazing and intelligent and you have to be stupid to not get it

>>79082767

She was learning to remember the future. You can't use a memory that you don't remember existing. So once she realized she was really seeing the future, and that she could remember things before they happened, she looked to see how she got out of that situation with the phone call.

Maybe it should have been a comic. Seems a waste of millions of dollars to make a film like this.

>>79082896
So when that moment happens can you really believe she is going to act the same way?

>american woman randomly calls you on your private number and tells you your wife's last words
>she becomes famous, writes a book about the whole "seeing all of time at the same time"
>you read it because she single-handedly averted a crisis
>you realize that you need to tell her these random things so that she can call you "in the past"

In case it wasn't clear enough, you can tell by how the Chinese general is acting that he is saying this with the explicit goal of helping her. Its not like people will just randomly come up to you and tell you your private number from four years ago as well as your wife's last words

Why didn't the aliens simply learn English?

i can't tell if this is b8
it's not a difficult movie to follow

>>79082958
How could she have a choice when she was just "remembering" the future?

This was not well thought-out, I'd prefer for people to stop acting like it was. The movie was gorgeous, easy to watch, and interesting, but it had major flaws in the plot/theme/philosophy/whatever the fuck department

>>79083028
>can't answer any of the questions in the OP
>is this b8?

>>79083028
>not a difficult movie to follow
>/tv/ can't follow it at all
really makes you think

>>79083050
Because knowing your kid will die might make you want to re-think having a kid.

People overplay the whole fate/predestination thing in this movie, saying that she was going to have the kid no matter what. She clearly choses to have it because she thinks that the positives will outweigh the negatives, despite what Jeremy Renner thinks

>>79082767
The book explains it better, basically the point knowing your fate makes you a slave to it, choice is illusion etc.

Also I think it's implied the General knows the Heptapod written language.

>>79083022
In the book the Military tell the characters not to teach the aliens English basically out of fear of giving them too much information about humans.

>>79083135
Not quite, basically the book is a bit more explicit and literally has a line like "Those that have read the book of secrets (seen the future) will not act against it for fear of what it might mean"

Minority Report of all movies showed that humans have free will even when they know the future. She could have chosen not to have the kid.

Just watched this piece of shit.

Why did they focus so much on Louise's future life? Nobody gives a fuck. You have this interesting flick that raises fascinating questions such as how would we communicate with aliens that have no similarities to humans and this dumb cunt keeps shoving in memories of her playing with her genetically defect kid in between everything. It's like having a conversation about quantum physics with your bros and this stupid vapid attention whore comes in and keeps trying to steer the conversation to make it about her life. Like, would you please fuck off

They also made this huge deal about the aliens sharing a gift of 12 parts that need to be put together in order to be complete, but as soon as the humans start getting their shit together and collaborate, the aliens vanish and the "gift" is never mentioned again.

>>79082767
The chinese general was very intelligent. He deduced that the only way this could have happened was if he told her these things, though he admitted to her he didn't understand how it works.

The linguist realized that her future child sparked an idea that led to her understanding of the alien language which saved the world from some unforeseen consequence of humanity not learning this language. She also accepted that the few short years of life and love spent with her child were greater than if it never existed.

>>79083135
you're not understanding.
She "remembered" a moment in time ahead of the present. In other words, this event is what WILL happen in the future.
So as soon as she saw the future, she had no choice in any of the events leading up to the moment that she remembered. Because if she did, then something different would happen, meaning that she "remembered" something that didn't happen. Which would be impossible, because she knows that it DID happen, and that's why she remembered it.

>>79083265
>I missed literally the entire point of the movie.

>>79083265
really I was kinda disappointed in how it went from a straight-forward "how do we communicate with aliens" flick into an unwieldy "seeing all of time at the same time"

It doesnt even segway between the two that well if you think about it, since it applies the theory that "language affects how you perceive the world" and gives it steroids. It doesnt make much sense how understanding a bunch of circular symbols allows my brain to transcend time and space

>she decides to have a kid, knowing it will die.
woman are selfish whores

>that idiot who killed abbott
wtf was his problem

>>79083344
You remember dreams. Dreams didn't happen. By your logic that's impossible.

>>79084081
>Abbott literally dindu nuffin

>>79084221
"Abbot is in death process."

:(

fuckin idiots

>Every single person I know regards this as the next 2001 (after Interstellar of course :^))
>critics and this place as well
>Just watched it
>It's another bootleg 2001 where directors want normies in so they pitch you with the exact same "daughter in distress" shit
>"lol you just don't get it" "lol you missed the point" "2deep4u"

What the fuck? Is this the Re:Zero of films?

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>super intelligent ayyys
>cant even form simple earth letters with their advanced squid ink to communicate with humans

i liked everything but still dont know how she knew that chinamans wife's dyin words

ELI5 ,':^)

>>79084406
did u not watch the movie? those symbols were simple, that's why the humans could understand them. that's why they were communicating. their mission was to educate us on their language and they did

>>79084406
Cause they was tryna teach not learn.

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>>79084406
towards the end of the movie we see what their language really looks like, a dense sea of those basic simple symbols they showed the humans at the beginning.

/tv/ is more pleb that i ever imagined

>>79084406
>can travel through space and time
>coudl've observed the entirety of humanity in a single second, learn all the languages even the dead ones
>could've easily sprayed on the wall "Hello. we come to teach you our language"
>choose moon circles that only the AMERICAN FEMALE LEAD WITH CANCER DAUGHTER can understand but she can't but oh no

>"IF YOU WANT SCIENCE CALL UR DAD"

>people look at you like you're a fucking chimpanzee when you point this basic shit

This has got to be the pleb hymn movie. Completely dethroned Interstellar

>>79084453
>>79084469
>>79084483
no shit. but if youve ever learned a new language you'd know its easier to learn it if the teacher knows how to speak your original language.

the ayyys are retarded for starting with their own language and hoping the humans would catch on - and they only caught on because !plot!

>>79084469
It helps if your teacher can speak your language

>>79084427
because the general tells them to her at that ballroom in the future, which she now has the ability to remember

it's a paradox but that's the logic

>>79084546
>>79084547
>>79084567
HOLY FUCK
THEY LITERALLY SAY IN THE MOVIE THAT YOU UNDERSTAND A LANGUAGE MORE IF YOU IMMERSE YOURSELF IN IT. SO IT CHANGES THE WAY YOU THINK.
FUCKING PLEBS GET OUT REEEEEEEEEEEE

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>tfw abott is death process

>>79082980
the movie wasn't amazing nor intelligent but OP is retarded.

>>79084623
>"hey we're here in peace. we need you to help us in 3000 years, and in exchange we will teach you a language beyond your comprehension. now please don't point your CHINESE (tm) weapons at us. Now let us begin the immersion into our language thank i cum pant"

>>79084574
oh i must have missed that part ty, i dont remember him telling her

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>>79084686
>thank i cum pant

>>79084427
It's not very hard mate
basically if you understand the aliens language you can do whatever the fuck you want

you want to know what to say to a girl to marry her? you just go to the future and BANG she's already your wife. Then you find out how you did it and come back and make it happen

>>79082767
Is this worth watching?
I know next to nothing about it.

>>79084738
ok/10

>>79082767
the people who wrote this shit believe in Marxism and Socialism, they believe everything is to be given to you and you should swallow it

>you can't change your life. there is no free will. will you live it out knowing this?
>except for the part where you changed fate by traveling in time to know about the dead wife and what to say that you had already said implying you had already changed the timeline out of your own will establishing not only a paradox, but contradicting the plot and final "deep" message

>>79084795
>you can't change your life
was this in the movie?

>>79084850
In the end she's having a cryisis and patronizingly asking the audience if it's worth living life having seen it all, and knowing she won't be able to change it. Every person I know who loved this tells me that the whole movie is about this and won't accept an argument it so I guess it's about that

>>79084738
Movie is nice/10. I enjoyed it more for the ideas.
It got me into Ted Chiang (the author of the story the movie is based on).
If youre a reader check out some of his stuff - most of it is short-stories so theeyre easily digestable. Start with "Liking What You See: A Documentary" (for no other reason than it was the one I started with).
He does sci-fi really well and grounded. Even his fantasy seems more like sci-fi because of how he explains the mechanics of how that fantasy world would work.

Heres a collection of most of his stuff.
https://thepiratebay.org/torrent/5831535/Ted_Chiang_-_The_Lifecycle_of_Software_Objects_-_Stories_of_Your

Almost ALL of you sound like self-important pseudointellectuals

Yeah..That's probably accurate

Good luck,folks

>>79083080
The average level of IQ here seems to have fallen significantly since the infestation from /pol/ and /v/ begun.

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>tfw Abbot knew what was going to happen to him and still went through with it

what a bro

>>79085138
>implying he had a choice
someone wasnt paying attention

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>>79085151
>he

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>>79082767
this was possibly the worst alien encounter movie that I've ever fucking seen

>>79085138
>implying abbot didn't reincarnate as Hannah only to die of cancer and reincarnate as chinese general man 3000 thousand granddaughter and saved it's own planet with the american uberhumies

What's wrong huh? Too dep for you huh?

>>79084298
>>79084221
>>79084081
Abbot knew what was coming but took it anyways.

>>79084850
>>79084795
>>79084574
the "paradox" isnt a pardox, it's just a out-of-time transmission of information.
learning the language you gain the ability to see the entire path of your life (and automatically pick the """best""" one?) basically losing free will but free will is a time-based concept anyways.

my main questions/gripes with the film is
>the "best outcome" timeline she placed into seems an awful lot like it's the best not for her but for the world/universe/whatever which means only time-based creatures have self-preservation based free will while those that learn the language have a communal free will shared with the universe... so un-american
>the fuck happens in 3000 years?
>that stupid fucking narration in the middle

>>79084326
What you talking about, Re:Zero was actually good.
Solid 7/10, 6(+1) for muh dick.

Arrival was a solid 5.3/10
>7/10
>(-1.0) for half assed "emotional" trip
>(-0.5) for ghetto science/politics/ayylmao
>(-0.2) for annoying protagonist

>>79085233
what about the path where the cure for her daughter's disease is cured? (inb4 IT'S CONVENIENTLY UNSTOPPABLE JUST LIKE HER :3)

What about the timeline where the aliens aren't fucked in 3000 years? If will is a time based concept and time isn't lineal then how come some things are unstoppable and some aren't?

>>79085401
read the full post, it's my first gripe.

>>79085374
Re:Zero was a 7/10 (probably 8.5 if you remove all the idiotic tropes and obligatory retarded MC) up until the climax of the series where he realizes he cannot escape the ice death and the giant cat arises and destroys everything. Everything after that is a 4

>>79085426
Yeah I added a lot of extra unnecesary stuff but I wanted to ask why the fuck if timelines are analyzable in the infinite, how come the aliens can't unfuck themselves?

>>79085457
they did.

>>79085212
name a better one.

>>79085457
That's why they were there, you dummy.

>>79085506
>>79085535
by requesting the aid of Humies? When there are infinite timelines, there conveniently isn't one where they can solve the problems without thousands of light years of travel and depends on the commitment and benevolence of a race that tried to wipe istelf out multiple times?

By sending 12 spaceships to scare all humies when they knew that they just needed one humie who had the Power(tm) ? Or did they know what happened in 3000 years but didn't know exactly what humie they needed? Are they oracles that can't predict the future specifically therefore they can't know exactly what will happen or which humie they need so they need to attract the attention of all humies?

That makes a lot of sense. In fact I feel like I just fixed the movie a little. But if it works that way, then why does she know EXACTLY what to do, what will happen and how it will happen?

>>79085457
>>79085506
to be more explanatory.
spreading the language spreads that prophetic way of living.... humans having self-prevation free will at some point lead to something terrible... they're saving themselves by recruiting humans into their socialist cabal.

>>79085617
>they just needed one humie who had the Power(tm)
you're not getting it. everyone who learns the language gains "the power".

>>79085632
If knowing the language transforms you into Zenyatta then how come her husband still left her? How come her child didn't know she was going to die?

>>79085690
but only one humie was going to learn it truly

>>79082767
>this faggot is directing blade runner 2 and dune reboot
fuck

>>79085757
mathdude apparently sucks at learning language and gave up trying to learn it the second the aliens left and as far as we know she never taught the child.
she's teaching it at the end of the movie though.

>>79085433
>all the idiotic tropes and obligatory retarded MC
Yeah that's annoying as fuck but you'd end up with a completely different show if you removed it.
Perspective would change, how they reveal characters would change, the whole pacing would be different because you don't have comic relief.

You'd end up with something like psycho-pass or Dimension W, which is hard to call the same show, but that would've been pretty good, yeah.

>>79084738

good/10

It's a nice sci-fi flick with some very good directing here and there. They work a little bit too hard to make sure the audience "gets" it sometimes, but it's good.

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>>79082767
>trying to give logic to fake fantasy timeline BS

the whole thing was silly

Amy Adams did well though

>>79083233
absolute plebe right here. this is the cringe champions you share an arts board with.

>>79085894
if you take it too seriously like us cyinicals retards who can't enjoy anything except 4-6 movies anymore probably not.

If you can relax and enjoy a movie for what it is, what it tries to achieve and a preety reedeming performance by BvS louis lane, it's great

>>79084987
Tower of Babylon is good.

>>79084326
give the kikebook accounts of five of every single person you know who regards this as the next 2001 (after Interstellar of course :^))

you literally can't

I obviously meant >>79086088 for >>79084738
but fucked it up. sorry>>79085894

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Why didn't they just get someone from Burma to translate?

>>79083265
>this dumb cunt keeps shoving in memories of her playing with her genetically defect kid in between everything

This post seriously has to be bait. No one is this stupid.

Those weren't memories, they were glimpses into the future. As she learned the language she began to have more intense visions, eventually leading to a full understanding and full knowledge of what was going to happen.