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What are some of the best story/character arc about redemption?

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What are some of the best story/character arc about redemption?
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Is there any religious redemption stories by the way?Like a journey movie but with spiritual tones.
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Zuko's redemption happened way too late in the series for it to be believable. He should have joined the Gaang during the attack on Ba Sing Se
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>>79077837
season 2 was doing it so well but the show went to shit on season 3. they should have gotten zuko on the team much sooner instead of wasting time with fucking painted ladies and dance parties
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Unforgiven
American History X
Cool Hand Luke
Schindler's List
Hero
Shawshank Redemption
The Green Mile
Leaving Las Vegas
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>>79077837
Damar from star trek DS9
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>>79077961
Then the three act structure wouldn't work.
It's formally perfect man.
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>>79078578
We should have had 4 books. Season 3 was a rushed mess.
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>>79078634


4 books?

Korra has 4, but the second book is the worst.

Also Aang has 3, but they are perfect.
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>>79077928
les miserables
watch the 10th anniversary stage production not the movie
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>>79079001
>Also Aang has 3, but they are perfect.
except they arent. far from it. specially book 3

still a great show
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>>79078634
>>79079110
Book 3 only had 5 plot episodes, the first attack on the fire nation and the climax of the story. The rest of the episodes are filler. Another season would have been stupid.
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>>79077961
Hell naw. It's great.
>season 1: villain with some likability
>season 2: down on his luck anti-hero who we finally truly see
>season 3: working to be a better him, for good
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>>79079157
blame the direction the season took, not the fact that they ran out of things to make. hell, zuko's storyline on the shitty finale ended with a fucking cliffhanger and they had to make crappy comics to wrap it up
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>>79078634
Fuck no. Ending was somewhat weak with the deus ex machina but another season was unnecessary. They just needed to tweak the ending a bit.
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>>79079157
I agree with this. I think they should feature less filler and focus on the main plot. Though i won't deny the bloodbender storyline (which later become important) and the beach episode is very well done.
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Iroh is the tightest shit ever, amazing character and even made me cry at one point.
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I rewatched it recently and it's not even funny how much better it is than Korra. I barely even remember truly liking anything from Korra aside from the Wan episodes. If Korra had been more like the Wan stuff I would have loved it.
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>>79079157
>>79079295
>anime kiddos disliking "filler" aka character development and finishing multiple character arcs
get off my board
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>>79079461
I don't dislike filler if it's good but if they made another season they wouldn't have had anything but filler. And it would have been badly paced because they were waiting for the comet, so they only had two months to tell the whole story and 3 seasons was the right amount of time, in my opinion which is correct. Also the katara and aang romance subplot was told perfectly and stretching it out for another season would have been forced if they were still in relationship limbo or having second thoughts.
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>>79079295
>When they fuck that Chad's shit up at the end of the beach episode

Still makes me laugh
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>>79079546
I was mainly disagreeing with >>79079295 that they should have had more "plot" episodes. I agree that 3 seasons was perfect
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>>79078439
>Shawshank Redemption

For a film rated very high (9.3 on IMDB), it rarely got spoken especially around here.
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>>79079282
yeah, tweak the season 3 ending by making the day of black sun the finale so we can then have an entire season of zuko and the gaang. and its even more infuriating that they wasted the short time zuko had with a gaang in stupid mini trips with zuko + another character with none of the comfy travelling around with the whole group. now that I think of it the show's pacing starts falling apart when they get to the eastern air temple.

>>79079452
wan's story was absolute shit. to this day I cant understand how people who dislike LoK liked avatar wan.
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Is Avatar the greatest animated show ever, bros? I think so.
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>>79079681
It is if you're a weeaboo. If you want an actual white european cartoon watch the Batman animated series.
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season 2 > season 1 > season 3

season 1 is really underrated. people often forget how much great world building it had. plus lets not forget the siege of the north, the storm and the blue spirit
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>fire/water, sun/moon, red/blue, etc
>it would go with the fortuneteller prediction that katara would marry a powerful bender and that there's no love life in aangs future
>aang is shorter, younger and less mature
male child and teenage girl, creepy
>there was much more of a dramatic romantic spark between zuko and katara
in the moment at the catacombs, their fight at the north pole, the southern raiders and the finale showdown they had great chemistry
>the parallel loss of both their mothers
>katara had a big sister/little brother or even mother/son dynamic with aang
their "romance" felt like borderline incest (not the wincest kind, the disturbing kind)
>the whole deal with aang having to let go of katara to master the avatar state.
aang finally chosing to let go of his earthly attachments in favor of the spiritual path for the sake of the greater good would have been awesome character development. it would represent him maturing and accepting his duty to the world above his personal feelings. we got a fucking lion turtle ex machina instead

I could go on...
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>then you didn't love like I did!
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>>79079721
Season 1 has "the great divide" so it is objectively shit. Season 2 had "serpent's pass" so it is objectively worse than season 3.
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Peridot redemption was initially handled pretty well relative to my expectations, which admittedly were low.
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>>79079452
Completely agree. Although Wan left a bad taste in a lot of people's mouths, I enjoyed those episodes the most out of LoK... on tier with the Aang episodes
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>>79079805
season 3 had the painted lady lady and worst of all - nightmares and daydreams.

lol random out of place anime references and momo in a samurai duel with appa XD. Epic FTW
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>>79078634
But book 3 had Toph in cute Fire Nation clothes jewing people out.
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>>79079857
nightmares and daydreams was comfy and it showed aang stressing out, which built his character. serpents pass (time race against pregnancy) and the great divide were so generic if they removed them from the show no one would notice.
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>>79079789
>male child and teenage girl, creepy
Aren't Katara only like two or three years older from Aang? Its not that rare for older girls to date slightly younger boys.

Unless you count that 100 years being frozen in iceberg, than yeah its a bit awkward.
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>>79079922
2 at most.
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>>79079916
>he thinks nightmares and daydreams added character development to aang but the serpent's pass hasnt
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>>79077837
Moses in The Prince of Egypt was pretty good.
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>>79079916
>serpents pass (time race against pregnancy)
And introducing the Drill if you forget. Reunion with Suki and Jet trying to bond/recruiting Zuko.
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>>79079922
it's not the necessarily the slight age difference. it would be okay if aang was 15 and katara 16

it's the fact that aangs balls havent dropped yet while katara has tits and periods
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>>79079789
>there was much more of a dramatic romantic spark between zuko and katara
Was there? Aside from the dead moms they were a bit more water and oil to me. Zuko is abrasive and head strong and seems to enjoy dry sarcasm Katara is sensitive and honest not at all his type. Aside from the whole STARCROSSED LOVERS meme I don't see them getting along in the long run.
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>>79079967
I think in Moses case its more of a spiritual journey, but i think it counts too.
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>>79079157
Season 3 of avatar was 100% kino.
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>>79080000
To be fair, Aang's voice has changed a fair bit by the end of the series.

>aang's fucked up voice in the Guru when he speaks to Sokka
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Is Toph best girl?
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>>79079789
>there was much more of a dramatic romantic spark between zuko and katara
I just don't understand this. I just finished watching the series, and already knowing about the whole "Zutara" craze, I expected some kind of tension. I got nothing. The show was clearly gearing toward a romance between Aang and Katara since the beginning. I honestly felt that it was the best developed relationship in the show, next to Zuko and Iroh's.
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>>79080000
Looking at this kind of relationship through your modern perspective is ignorant desu. There are like less than a million people in the avatar universe and aang is the strongest motherfucker in the world. Even if katara didn't have sexual feelings for aang it's not absurd for her to try to love him for ambitious and social reasons.
>m-muh pedo
no
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MERUEM KING OF ANTS
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"The Boy in the Iceberg" 8/10
"The Avatar Returns" 8/10
"The Southern Air Temple" 7/10
"The Warriors of Kyoshi" 6/10
"The King of Omashu" 6/10
"Imprisoned" 6/10
"Winter Solstice, Part 1: The Spirit World" 7/10
"Winter Solstice, Part 2: Avatar Roku" 8/10
"The Waterbending Scroll" 5/10
"Jet" 7/10
"The Great Divide" 3/10
"The Storm" 9/10
"The Blue Spirit" 8/10
"The Fortuneteller" 3/10
"Bato of the Water Tribe" 5/10
"The Deserter" 6/10
"The Northern Air Temple" 6/10
"The Waterbending Master" 7/10
"The Siege of the North, Part 1" 8/10
"The Siege of the North, Part 2" 9/10

"The Avatar State" 7/10
"The Cave of Two Lovers" 5/10
"Return to Omashu" 7/10
"The Swamp" 5/10
"Avatar Day" 4/10
"The Blind Bandit" 6/10
"Zuko Alone" 9/10
"The Chase" 8/10
"Bitter Work" 7/10
"The Library" 6/10
"The Desert" 7/10
"The Serpent's Pass" 7/10
"The Drill" 7/10
"City of Walls and Secrets" 8/10
"The Tales of Ba Sing Se" 7/10
"Appa's Lost Days" 8/10
"Lake Laogai" 8/10
"The Earth King" 7/10
"The Guru" 7/10
"The Crossroads of Destiny" 9/10

"The Awakening" 7/10
"The Headband" 5/10
"The Painted Lady" 3/10
"Sokka's Master" 6/10
"The Beach" 8/10
"The Avatar and the Fire Lord" 8/10
"The Runaway" 6/10
"The Puppetmaster" 7/10
"Nightmares and Daydreams" 2/10
"The Day of Black Sun, Part 1: The Invasion" 8/10
"The Day of Black Sun, Part 2: The Eclipse" 8/10
"The Western Air Temple" 6/10
"The Firebending Masters" 6/10
"The Boiling Rock, Part 1" 7/10
"The Boiling Rock, Part 2" 8/10
"The Southern Raiders" 6/10
"The Ember Island Players" 8/10
"Sozin's Comet, Part 1: The Phoenix King" 5/10
"Sozin's Comet, Part 2: The Old Masters" 6/10
"Sozin's Comet, Part 3: Into the Inferno" 6/10
"Sozin's Comet, Part 4: Avatar Aang" 7/10
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>>79080111
protip senpai. The reason why the Zuko/Katara ship was popular was:
Zuko= the character most fangirls had a crush on

Katara: the character fangirls identified with the most

Simple as that.
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>>79077837
Kikuchiyo from seven samurai
Jules from pulp fiction
The driver
Barron trump's inevitable biopic
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>>79080158
the fortuneteller is good tho
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>>79080168
Nah. You have to be willfully ignorant to not see why people shipped it, and it wasn't just the self insert thing, though that is a big factor. People, mostly women, love rival dynamics in romantic pairings (see: romances like Han and Leia, etc) and with Zuko the obvious trajectory was him becoming friends with the Gaang, so everyone knew it wasn't going to be an enemy thing forever.

I think another factor was that people saw Zuko as more on Katara's level of maturity than Aang. Just design alone does that, since Katara and Zuko are both almost full grown and Aang still looks like a kid.

What got stupid about the whole thing was that they refused to see that Zutara probably wasn't happening when they continued to give Katara romantic moments with Aang. Even I'll admit that there was a fire in the IDEA of Katara and Zuko as a romantic couple, but it was never actually sparked or hinted at in the show despite them picking at scraps to "prove" it.
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>>79080157
To this day i still prefer the yorkshin city arc than the chimera ants, but Meruem being the villain protagonist with the most character development is one thing that might make me reconsider that.
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>>79079789
>Zutarafags
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>>79080158
>"The Waterbending Scroll" 5/10
You're a fucking retard with shit taste, no offense.
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>>79080158
>"The Southern Air Temple" 7/10
Oh come on its better than that, the agni-kai scene alone already secure an easy 8/9.

>All third season finale episodes below 8
No
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El Rato to Soarin' Ted
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>>79080272
Was Avatar the first fandom when the fans decided that shipping meant their favorite ship must be canon or it's worthless and screamed at everyone about it? That's a common thing now but it wasn't in the early days of shipping.
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Man, I still remember watching the premiere on Nickelodeon when it aired. Memories.

>>79080158
>"The Siege of the North, Part 1" 8/10
>"The Siege of the North, Part 2" 9/10

Those are the best episodes, you pleb.
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>>79080158
>tales of ba sing se not 10/10 based on Iroh segment alone
You have no soul.
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>>79080101
Definitely.
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Are there any movies about a pedophile trying to find redemption
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>>79080467
the ending of M. assume that the murderer is also a rapist
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>>79080366
>Oh come on its better than that, the agni-kai scene alone already secure an easy 8/9.
you may be right so I'll concede. 8/10

>All third season finale episodes below 8
on that I'm not budging. so many things wrong, so much wasted potential, so disapointing. at the top of my head the zuko and iroh reunion was the only moment I thoroughly enjoyed

>>79080460
fantastic moment but the overall episode is brought down by the likes of the tale of aang
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>>79077837
This is an Avatar thread now. But i would like to add my man Vorenus from Rome if you are looking for a good redemption story.

Mfw he ended up forgiven by his children as he is close to death in the finale ;_;
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>>79080158


Zuko Alone is 11/10 actually.

Is the best episode
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>>79080635
Most Zuko episodes are top tier
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>>79080467
Leon the Professional
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>>79080158
>"The Fortuneteller" 3/10

Get the fuck outta here.
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>>79080158
>cave of two lovers 5/10
that was LITERALLY the best filler episode, you dumb nigger
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>>79077837
I'm watching clips of this for the first time in probably 10 years...was his voice always this squeaky? He sounds like a little kid overdubbing the cartoon
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>>79080467
The Woodsman
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>>79080724
>Leon the Professional
>Pedophile

You do realize its young Natalie Portman having a child crush to an older guy right?
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>>79080809
I noticed his voice gets deeper by season 3. It sounds a bit odd when you binge watch it.
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>>79080796
SECRET TUNNEL
SECRET TUNNEL
>>79080809
He's an edgy 16 year old. Sounds like an appropriate teenager going through puberty to me. I wouldn't describe it as squeaky though. Might want to make sure the video you're watching isn't sped up to avoid detection or something.
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>>79080764
there's literally nothing good about that episode besides some mildly funny sokka moments. prove me wrong

>>79080796
the nomads were great, the forced romance was pretty bad
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>>79080809
he is actually this kid from hook
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>>79080049
I thought of it more like a moral journey. Religion aside, he was a fun-loving, careless prince, fucking with sex slaves for kicks, threatening other slaves, there are some flashes of good in him (like when he frees Sefora), but he's still generally a bad guy. His transformation from that to a selfless, humble leader is a big redemption.
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>>79080850
"forced romance"
What a buzzword.
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>>79080764
name ONE more badass moment than Aang stopping that fucking volcano
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>>79079789
>>79080111
Honestly, I expected Katara and Zuko to get together because Zuko is objectively better in the eyes of practically every woman. He's tall, he's got a full head of hair, he's not a doormat, he's not like 3 years younger than her....there's a reason that Katara/Zuko is so popular among those tumblrinas.

I know it's a cartoon, but if the show was more "realistic", then Katara would not have ended up with the timid undersized bald kid.
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>it's a Zuko episode
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"The Boy in the Iceberg" 8/10
"The Avatar Returns" 8/10
"The Southern Air Temple" 7/10
"The Warriors of Kyoshi" 7/10
"The King of Omashu" 7/10
"Imprisoned" 7/10
"Winter Solstice, Part 1: The Spirit World" 7/10
"Winter Solstice, Part 2: Avatar Roku" 8/10
"The Waterbending Scroll" 7/10
"Jet" 6/10
"The Great Divide" 6/10
"The Storm" 9/10
"The Blue Spirit" 8/10
"The Fortuneteller" 7/10
"Bato of the Water Tribe" 6/10
"The Deserter" 7/10
"The Northern Air Temple" 6/10
"The Waterbending Master" 8/10
"The Siege of the North, Part 1" 9/10
"The Siege of the North, Part 2" 10/10

"The Avatar State" 8/10
"The Cave of Two Lovers" 6/10
"Return to Omashu" 7/10
"The Swamp" 6/10
"Avatar Day" 7/10
"The Blind Bandit" 8/10
"Zuko Alone" 9/10
"The Chase" 8/10
"Bitter Work" 7/10
"The Library" 8/10
"The Desert" 7/10
"The Serpent's Pass" 8/10
"The Drill" 7/10
"City of Walls and Secrets" 8/10
"The Tales of Ba Sing Se" 7/10
"Appa's Lost Days" 7/10
"Lake Laogai" 9/10
"The Earth King" 8/10
"The Guru" 9/10
"The Crossroads of Destiny" 10/10

"The Awakening" 8/10
"The Headband" 7/10
"The Painted Lady" 6/10
"Sokka's Master" 6/10
"The Beach" 7/10
"The Avatar and the Fire Lord" 9/10
"The Runaway" 7/10
"The Puppetmaster" 8/10
"Nightmares and Daydreams" 6/10
"The Day of Black Sun, Part 1: The Invasion" 8/10
"The Day of Black Sun, Part 2: The Eclipse" 9/10
"The Western Air Temple" 8/10
"The Firebending Masters" 8/10
"The Boiling Rock, Part 1" 7/10
"The Boiling Rock, Part 2" 8/10
"The Southern Raiders" 7/10
"The Ember Island Players" 8/10
"Sozin's Comet, Part 1: The Phoenix King" 8/10
"Sozin's Comet, Part 2: The Old Masters" 8/10
"Sozin's Comet, Part 3: Into the Inferno" 9/10
"Sozin's Comet, Part 4: Avatar Aang" 9/10
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>>79079452
>unironically liking the Wan episodes
Shit taste. Only good thing they had going was the art but they still fucked it up with the characters being drawn in a modern style.
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>>79080881
>aang stopped a volcano
>avatar roku literally died to a volcano
Holy shit what a fuck up roku was.
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>>79077837
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>>79080881
Unironically Korra's attempted suicide/avatar awakening at the end of season 1 of the spinoff series. TLA is better overall, but imo nothing will top that moment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiW2HOHLBbw

>tfw the music at 0:30 kicks in
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>>79079613
Who's being redeemed here? He didn't kill anyone so why does he need redemption? Unless it's Red who needed redemption.
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>tfw you will never be as badass as zuko

I wish i was a qt firebender lowborn trap and got to work my way up the ranks to general firemaster and slay the avatar
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Just realized that this show had a diverse as fuck cast without anybody making a big deal out of it. A Tibetan, two eskimos, and a chinese girl save the world from some Japs.
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i'm the only one that did find it weird that lava bending is treated like an extent of eath bending when they clearly used it as firebending in the fire temple episode in avatar

and also how metal bending was treated like ACTUAL metal bending like mercury when it was shown that it was actually only bending the dirty present on metal and only Toph could do it since she was a blind and she was the only one who could see the fragments of dirty in the metal and this is why not even Bumi the 120 year old strongest earth bender couldn't do it
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>>79080933

My nigga
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>>79080467
Con Air
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>Katara gets involved in the final Zuko vs Azula fight
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>>79080981
Bumi was probably the strongest earth bender. Doesn't mean he could see or realise he could bend the earthen materials in the metal.
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also isn't it implied in the episode cave of two lovers that earth benders learned bending from watching the moles, firebender from watching dragons, water benders from watching the moon and airbenders from watching the flying bison then why in the korra's series it is stated that bending came from a magic gift from big giant lion turtles
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>>79080913
>What is old age
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>>79080850
romance was ok-ish, they're awkward 12 yr olds
cave of two lovers had
>those chinesey water colors telling the story of omashu
>badger moles
>zoka on literal suicide watch from cringe
>that awesome crypt cave
>that fire nation blockade showing they're not to be fucked around
>that cliffhanger of omashu subjugated by the fire nation
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>>79081063
Because korra fucked up a lot of the lore and everyone knows it. Some retards try to defend it but the only good thing about korra is the animation in the fight scenes. The writing is trash.
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>>79081042
But in the episode The King Of Omashu, it is shown in a flashback with Aang abd young Bumi that Bumi's motto was "Think of the possibilities" and then the whole episode resolves around trying to figure out not the most obvious way to solve Bumi's riddles, yet he never even tried to bend metal even when he was captured and imprisioned in a metal cage by the fire nation

uh
i don't buy that
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>>79081063
korra sucks, bro
it is known
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>>79081023
The way they did that was such an enormous mistake. I was fine with Katara helping but after all that build up, Zuko should have triumphed in the end during that fight.

But then again, I never liked much of anything about Avatar's ending.
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Aang should have gone for this qt.
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>dude you should totally forgive the guy who raided your village and killed your mom lmao
Why was Aang such a beta, bros?
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>>79080897
>"Sozin's Comet, Part 1: The Phoenix King" 8/10
>"Sozin's Comet, Part 2: The Old Masters" 8/10
>"Sozin's Comet, Part 3: Into the Inferno" 9/10
>"Sozin's Comet, Part 4: Avatar Aang" 9/10
I don't care about the rest but you should probably kill yourself for rating this dump so highly

>>79080981
>i'm the only one
you arent.
lava was depicted more than once to be part of firebending in ATLA. dont try to bring science into this because hurr durr lava is just melted rock, if you try to be scientific the 4 element divison is retarded. lava is thematically more related to fire than it is to earth, period. Should have remained that way. Then again let's just pretend legend of korra never happened.

>>79081114
glad im not the only one
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>>79081063
iirc isn't it the avatar abilities and not the basic bending that were granted by some giant lion turtle?
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>>79081141
because karma and eastern philosophy. He ultimately let katara make her own choice though and it turns out letting him suffer was far harsher than ending his life. good end
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>>79081141
He transcended those attachments and understood his importance in the bigger picture. He was an all around cool guy.
That's why korra always came up as a bloody cunt
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>>79081114
I don't really get why Katara was added to Zuko's final fight at all. There was nothing that suggested that would happen in the narrative and she has nothing to do with their sibling tension. Why didn't she have a fight of her own?
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>>79081108
>never even tried to bend metal even when he was captured and imprisioned in a metal cage by the fire nation

He never tried because he didn't want to. He waited for the perfect moment to strike which was during the eclipse.
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>>79081215
>>79081141
what really bugged me about that episode is how they wasted the blood bending bit on the guy that turned out not to be the one rather than saving it for the actual confrontation climax
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>>79081287
but he is Bumi, he always preaches thinking out of the box, I imagine he would be the first one to try and bend mental just for shits and giggles
and It is pretty fuckign clearly shown that Toph was the only one who could do it because she could "see" the earth particles in the metal cage when she was kidnapped
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>>79081114
Zuko wrecked Azula, though.

She got him because she attacked dubass Katara
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If the south and nothern water tribes didn't talk for years and the southerne water tribe consists about of 30 people does it mean they're inbreds
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>>79081251
>I don't really get why Katara was added to Zuko's final fight at all.

I haven't seen this show in a long, long time (I was like 11 or 12 when it was on tv, which might be why I liked it so much), but I got the sense that the writers weren't 100% committed to the Aang/Katara ending. If they wanted to go Katara/Zuko, then it made sense for her to be there.
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>>79081390
>consists about of 30 people does it mean they're inbreds
because all the men went to war and all the waterbenders got taken away. there was no reproduction going on when the water warriors left.
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>>79081457
poor sokka had to fuck those seal penguins things
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>>79081393
I don't know if I'm crazy but wasn't there one of those stupid episodes with pop ups included, and one of those pop ups said that they actually considered Zutara but Kataang won in the end? It stands out in my head because I think they actually used the fucking ship names in the pop ups.

But even if this was true, they clearly knew at that point which pair they were going with long before they finalized that episode. It was the final fucking episode, after all. So that definitely wasn't the reason.
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>>79077837
Soaring Ted was probably the best part of this anime.
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>I don't really get why Katara was added to Zuko's final fight at all
to troll zutarians until the very ending.

remember that the creators acknowledged and mocked zutara directly in the ember island players
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katara didn't have anyone to fight with and it would be too much of a clusterfuck to have toph, sokka and suki (remember SUKI???? the korra writtes sure don't) AND KATARA to fight the zeppelins
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>>79081562
let's just all agree that the whole finale was very poorly executed
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>>79081251
Pretty sure they were just reinforcing the fact that Azula was super super skilled and facing her alone even while she was insane would be suicide.
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>>79081562
They could have had Katara being a badass with her water bending and taking out a bunch of people on her own to demonstrate her mastery over the series. That would be better than making her the third wheel in Zuko and Azula's fight and then having that third wheel actually take over the conflict.
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>>79081251
Zuko was never gonna win a fight against Azula alone, everyone knows this
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>>79081593
I don't know
I can see why people would want to see zukko just bitch slapping azula but her being outsmarted by katara was a better ending at least in my taste
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>>79079295
>>79079569
love the beach ep
the oc or skins tier
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>>79081063
They got the bending power from the lion turtles. But learning the proper technique of how to bend is something they got from the dragons, moles, air bison, and moon for each respective element. Its literally explained in that episode too (even if its not explicitly).

If you just want to handwave it further, the Wan storyline happen thousands of years before Aang/Korra. Its only natural certain things turn into myth or truth gets twisted along the way.
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>>79081550
>>79080916
>>79080388
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>>79081713
That fucking thumbnail looks like Nigel Thornberry bending.
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>>79081731
this is the worst looking mecha design in any piece of fiction ever
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>>79081773
I don't see it but im laughing pretty fucking hard
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>>79081792
why don't they just make it trip

also why in the final fight bolin just fucking demolished a building into it, what prevents a earthbender thug from doing the same
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>>79081731
To be quite honest i kinda expecting they will go with that. After a fire lord and blood benders, its only natural the strongest physical challenge is an evil avatar. Its a bit boring, and Unalaq turning into a giant evil monster is a pretty silly idea. Should just give him bending powers instead.

>>79081752
I unironically want a film/anime adaptation of the US presidential race now. I still think he is going to turn evil again in next season though lmao.
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What are some other /tv/ approved cartoons?
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>>79077928
El Topo
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>>79081871
spongebob
wakfu
gravity falls
samurai jack
batman
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>>79081659
but azula was mentally unstable. before she sneak attacked katara zuko was wrecking her shit

you know what would have been a nice conclusion to azula? remember the whole talk of iroh about how to create lightning you need to be all focused and zen and yadda yadda? well it would have been great if in the final confrontation when zuko asks "no lightning today? afraid ill redirect it?" when she goes to do it it backfires and she fucks herself over due to being an emotional wreck. in the end she would have been her own doom
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>>79081931
And then katara heals her and in the resolution it shows azula getting treatment or something
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>>79081773
>>79081798
'Ello boys. Miss me?
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>>79081608
Yet in the end both Zuko and Katara were each capable of beating her in a solo fight
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>>79081798
Try it now. Right where the dragon's fin is his head.
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>>79079452
The Wan stuff is good if you forget it's in the same universe.
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>>79080467
The Hunt :^)
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>>79081912
>gravity falls
Nice try, go back to /co/
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>>79082015
all due to the power of lolconvenientchains and lolconvenientaccessiblebodyofwaterrightbelowthebattleground
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>>79082193

Anything wrong with Graivty Falls now?
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>>79082217
And lolconvenientfirebenderssuddenlycan'theattheirbodiestomelticelikezukodid inthebook1finale
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Pokemon never had these feels
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>>79082193
It's not /tv/ approved but it's a high quality cartoon if you're not a /pol/ack.
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>>79082298
>if you're not a /pol/ack.
Why would it trigger /pol/? Do they dislike rushed endings?
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>>79080158
Tales of Ba Sing Se has the best moment of the entire series (the Mako tribute)

Zuko Alone is best overall episode
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>>79082327
It's a 40 episode cartoon with like 5 "rushed" episodes that are shat on mostly because of memes. The creator of the cartoon is a trump hating liberal jew and I could feel some of his jewish tricks but I am advanced enough to ignore them for the sake of escapism.
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>>79080158
>The Beach rated higher than The Blind Bandit and Into the Inferno
Fucking waifufags
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>>79082366
>The creator of the cartoon is a trump hating liberal jew
So is nearly every single showrunner in tv
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Was Zuko ever as badass again as he was during his Agni Kai with Zhao? Shit, they even drew him significantly less beefed up toward the end.
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>>79082393
>lol wrestling references xD Epic
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Fuck.

Now I have to rewatch TLA.
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>>79082429
Only whenever he used his swords. When he firebended he always jobbed pathetically.
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>>79079805
This is a joke right?
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>>79082447
The Beach is a pointless terrible episode where instead of developing Zuko's relationship with his sister and issues with his father we get relationship drama, spaghetti spilling and Mai and Ty Lee whining about their first world problems.
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I know this thread is about ATLA, but I've got a question about Korra too. Is it actually that much worse than ATLA, or did I just not like it because I was no longer the target audience?

ATLA came out when I was roughly the same age as Aang is in the show, but by the time Korra came out I was already 18, which I think is older than Korra and the others were supposed to be. And the show just didn't really appeal to me in the same way. The only scene that really "hit" me was that final scene where Korra enters the avatar state.

Hopefully some younger anons, who were still children when Korra came out (I'm already 21 so I'm kind of an oldfag lol) can explain it to me.

>>79082429
>Shit, they even drew him significantly less beefed up toward the end.

This makes sense, though. When he was a prince, he enjoyed an excellent, nutritious diet. But when you're a fugitive, obviously you don't eat quite as well.
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>>79079805

Hating The Great Divide is a meme I'll never get. Yes, it's one of the weakest episodes, but it's not any worse than stuff like The Painted Lady and Nightmares & Daydreams.
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>>79082618
Nightmares and Daydreams has a couple of funny moments and some cool animation.

Great Divide just... exists. It's so bland and pointless.
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>>79082609
>Is it actually that much worse than ATLA

It really isn't. ATLA nostalgiafags had too high expectations and they will go full autism mode and nitpick it to death to make it the worst show ever.
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>>79082618
They take a super basic moral that's told in nearly every story ever, "don't discriminate," and dumb it down to the lowest possible level and end it with the avatar making up a stupid story that makes the two parties come to their senses and everything is magically fixed. It would have been better if they came back to those warring tribes and the avatars fake story made everything worse because he lied. It's just pointless.
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>>79082609
>Is it actually that much worse than ATLA
Not really
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>>79079613
>American History X
>redemption
more like fall from grace
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>>79082758
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>>79082609
Try and watch ATLA again. If you enjoy it, there's a chance it's actually that good.

LOK had terrible writing and was directionless with its characters and things only happened to give a sense of urgency and falsely raised stakes.
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>>79082703

My main issue with the episode is that Aang's stupid story works.
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>>79077837
Amen to OP.
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>>79082669
>>79082758

Fair enough. I'm just speaking from the perspective of a man who was unlucky enough to become an adult right when Korra's first season came out, so I had adult expectations combined with nostalgia. It has nothing to do with the main character being brown (I'm mixed race myself) or even a woman (my twin sister is so much like Korra that I liked the character right away), but I just didn't have the same feeling for the show that I did for ATLA.

I stopped after season 1, but would you guys recommend the rest of it for a guy who's already 21? Or is it just a really good kid's show and nothing more?
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>>79082609
Watching it around 18 too. I think the nostalgia with TLA is actually what makes it appealing to me since it continue with the world building and the avatar saga. But at the same time you just can't help comparing it with the old show and think that certain aspect from either the old series is better than the new one and vice versa.

But overall i don't hate it at all. Though i don't like S2 very much, and i agree with most anons said here about the giant mecha in S4 finale. But its mainly because it feels so underwhelming even when compared to S1 or S3 finale.
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>>79082758
>>79082794
>Animation makes up for shit-tier writing, world building and characterisation.

Yeah nah.
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>>79082758
>>79082794
Ah, the power of plot.
When Korra gets tossed against a solid surface, she gets incapacitated. When someone else is tossed, they're back up in no time.

Negative effects only work on her.
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>>79082891
I never thought I'd ever see a MC with reverse plot armor.
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>>79082846

You should finish it. Season 3 is pretty good.

I watched both shows for the first time at age 30 and I enjoyed some parts of Korra more than ATLA.
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>>79081063
Because Korra is shit and abandons all the themes/lore of the original.

The second episode has like, 12 Lightning-benders casually, after Iroh presses for 2 seasons on how one needs emotional stability for it.
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>>79082846
>I stopped after season 1, but would you guys recommend the rest of it for a guy who's already 21? Or is it just a really good kid's show and nothing more?

Do not watch it. Just stay with what you've already seen.
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>>79082909
Game of Thrones did that all the time with their bad guys especially with Ramsay and Dany
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>>79082909
>I never thought I'd ever see a MC with reverse plot armor.
That's one thing that the show had going for it, just when you think it couldn't get stupider it somehow does.
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>>79082804
I didn't enjoy ATLA as much especially season 1 but it at least felt epic whereas LOK was sporadic and other than Varrick had no characters on the same level. There's nothing obviously connecting the LOK seasons so they aren't necessary for each other.
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>>79082846
No just stop. Season 2 is complete garbage, and don't believe the meme that Season 3 is great. It's better than the shit that preceded it, but it's still not good.
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>>79082935
>>79082995
Gotcha, I'll stop and preserve my happy memories. I don't want to make the mistake I made with The Hobbit or Star Wars 7.
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>>79082921
Bending has always been about knowledge and way of thinking rather than about powerlevels.

The knowledge of how to shoot lighting got passed down so more people were capable of doing it, what the fuck is so far fetched about that?

Do people need to be 14 year old princesses from an elite bloodline to be capeble of shooting lighting?
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>>79082846
>I stopped after season 1, but would you guys recommend the rest of it for a guy who's already 21?
if you are into action scenes and cool animated fights there's plenty ahead for you to appreciate. there's however very little enjoyable plot to it and the avatar universe gets butchered a lot further. up to you

season 2 is the absolute worst. season 3 has some cool aspects, by season 4 one just wants to get it over with
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>>79079613
>especially around here.
Didya not hear? Popular means bad
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>>79079706
>capeshit
Yeah right
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>>79079681
That would be Gurren Lagann.
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>>79082995
>>79083049

Season 2 just has a slow start. Once you get to the Wan episodes it's great. All the spirit world stuff is God Tier.
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>>79083175
kys

seriously
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>>79080407
maybe it brought it to the surface more, but that kind of thing was always there
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>>79081659
He was at least holding his own until she pulled the cheap shot on Katara.
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>>79079706
>what is Teen Titans
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>>79083175
>All the spirit world stuff is God Tier.
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>>79080101
Yes
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>>79080407
I thought that was Harry Potter.

What made ATLA's ship wars so noticable was that what was the most overwhelmingly popular pairing hardly had any basis.
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>>79083175
The only good part about the spirit world in Korra, was the fog of lost souls with Admiral Zhao. The rest was crap.
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>>79080157
He didn't deserve it tho
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>>79083395
>was the fog of lost souls with Admiral Zhao
that was star wars prequels tier shit
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>>79083398
The redemption or to die?
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It's funny how Korra has an 8.6 rating on imdb with all the episodes except the clip show rated 8.2 or higher. If it truly was so terrible, the ratings would reflect that, and don't give me any shit about imdb ratings not meaning anything.
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>>79083461
Why? It was completely in line with what the spirit world was like in the original show.
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>>79083488
>A contrarian board opinion about a famous show somehow doesn't reflect the opinion of the general mass

I'm surprised
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>>79083488
It's way too high for what LoK deserves, and this is coming for someone that actually likes the show aside from the final season.

>>79083518
Not according to some people's headcanons over what they saw in the only episode where Aang went into the Spirit World.
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>>79083395
No, the only good part about the Spirit World in Korra was Iroh and even then he was brought down by helping an idiot girl with the mentality of a child which is fitting, what with her child form at the time deal with problems she herself created.
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>>79083488
game of thrones is very highly rated yet the show went downhill after season 1 and turned into complete shit after season 3. imdb ratings dont mean anything.
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>>79083549
/co/ isn't really contrarian (its Star Wars general loves the prequels and TFA) but when it comes to LoK they treat it like it's the worse thing to ever happen in the history of mankind.
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>>79083518
They add a couple more things. The Spirit world we see in LoK is more colorful with the spirits being affected by negative/positive emotion being brought up again.
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>>79083598

That's one opinion out of millions. A lot of people still love the show.
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>>79083488
LoK has a female protagonist and pushes a feminist agenda, critics wouldn't dare rate it low.
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>>79083488
ATLA has a higher rating on IMDB than Lawrence of Arabia.

People flocked to Twilight and read the books. Same with Fifty Shades of Grey.
Also things like the 3.0 score IGN gave the video game God Hand.
Ratings aren't too reliable. Discourse and speaking about the material with others has more weight when the person can tell you what they specifically liked about the product up against what others have found problems with the product.
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>>79083555
>Not according to some people's headcanons over what they saw in the only episode where Aang went into the Spirit World.

This is the problem right here. People going full autism mode over what they mean is the only thing correct and when the show does something different it's automatically the worst thing ever.
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>>79083605
>They add a couple more things.
Well, of course. You cannot make a full-fledged spirit world just based on the meditating monkey, a giant wolf, a giant transforming panda and Koh's tree.
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>>79083662
>ATLA has a higher rating on IMDB than Lawrence of Arabia.

Rightfully so.
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>>79083488
It pains me to say this, because I'm normally the one calling out /tv/ for being contrarian faggots, but popular opinion ≠ quality. Korra is """objectively""" shit.
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>>79083556
>problems she herself created
along with those around her. Give the blame to all involved. The whole cast was terrible and had the mentality of children. Her spirit changed because she meditated in while the others waltzed in in physical forms.
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>>79083658
>pushes a feminist agenda
It never really did that, Korra was treated the exact same way she would if she were a guy by all other characters.

If anything ATLA was the one that pushed a feminist agenda with two different girl power episodes.
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>>79083697

>my opinion is the objective fact

Oh, okay then. I hate the show now.
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>>79083666
They completely changed the tone and feel of the spirit world, stop being so obtuse. In LoK it felt more like Korra in Wonderland than a spiritual place..
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>>79083725
>It never really did that, Korra was treated the exact same way she would if she were a guy by all other characters.

Exactly. To the point that Korra even hooked up with the hot girl in the end lol
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>Comfy Avatar thread turns into /co/ tier Korra hate thread.

Literally fuck you all.
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>>79083738
What do you even mean by spiritual place? Does everything have to look like a gloomy forest like Koh's tree which was the only part of the spirit world that was ever shown in ATLA?

>>79083792
That's different, that's a last minute asspulled gay agenda.
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>>79083605
>They add a couple more things.
More along the lines of they subtracted a couple more things.
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Nickoledeon really hit a home run with Avatar, the writing is even better than some stuff HBO
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>>79083727
I used quotation marks for a reason. I know that technically speaking no show can be objectively good or bad, but there are metrics that we generally use to judge a show's quality. It's like saying The Room being bad is just opinion, and you'd technically be right.
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>>79079277
Apparently they wanted to do the Zuko's mum story as an animated movie and they did the comics instead when Nick shut them down
That said, the comics get a ton better from The Rift onwards. Not as good as the show at its best, but better.
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>>79083841
>Nickoledeon really hit a home run with Avatar: The Last Airbender
FTFY
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Felon is a really fucking good redemption film.
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>>79083841
I still think that it shit the bed a bit in the third season by never bothering to develop Ozai as a character, having the gaang wander around aimlessly for half a season while they waited for the invasion to start, the shitty Mai/Zuko romance and never bringing up Aang's "no-kill" issues until the last possible moment.
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>>79083819
Not just the colour pallete, but the fact that all the spirits were based on animals was changed too. They look more like something out of Studio Ghibli in Korra.
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>>79083914
Legend of korra didn't have Avatar in the title :^)
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>>79083819
>What do you even mean by spiritual place? Does everything have to look like a gloomy forest like Koh's tree which was the only part of the spirit world that was ever shown in ATLA?

>A person has to be spiritual in nature to go into the spirit world. Have knowledge through experiencing life and being out in the world.
Nah there's a door over there. Just walk in. Oh and since Jinora can read she can meditate in whenever and could do it since forever.

>Spirits have their own agenda and are in control of their selves, able to become angry and furious like the panda spirit on their own. And can even mellow out once what is troubling them is resolved.
Better cry or think mean and nasty things otherwise the spirits will react to your emotions and want to destroy everything. Oh wait, everyone in the city is fine despite spirits still having this attribute.

>Balance. Chaos and order are forever swirling and it can be found in people and the world and spirits.
The white kite is the good one and you want that one to be in charge full time. The dark kite wants to destroy things and hates humans oh wait the dark tapeworm made a compromise and is okay with being bonded forever with a human.

Please don't make me go on. I can, but I'd rather not do that now.
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>>79083891
The Rift > North and South (so far) > The Promise > The Search >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Smoke and Shadow
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What the fuck was her problem?
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>>79083945
Shit, you're right.
My bad.
At least we can treat it as non-canon now :^)
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>>79080981
>they clearly used it as firebending in the fire temple episode in avatar

I always figured it was something only the avatar could do by combing earth/fire bending, until they added it to lok.
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>>79083956
Not enough porn.
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>>79083810
>>Comfy
You mean circle jerk about a B-Grade kids show?
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>>79083955
Is ozai /ourguy/?
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>>79083956
Getting cucked by pema.
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>>79079789
I thought Zuko should've got with that Earth kingdom girl from S2
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>>79083956
no tattooed dick
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>>79084065
H O T M A N'd
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>>79084097
How can other nations compete?
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>>79084111
Fire nation master race.

The earth kingdom is like china, full of inbreds but its so fucking big it would take years to conquer it.
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>>79083956
broken household. feminism didn't exist back then so she just turned into a bitchy lesbian.
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>>79084138

Water = Master Race
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>>79084014
It's like a communist wrote this.
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>>79083926
Yeah that was strange, you'd think would be contemplating that he would have to kill the firelord around season 2, even though he's sunken an entire fire nation fleet.
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>>79084165
Water tribe has terrible history and territory.

Earth with its China-like history and expansiveness allows for variety. Fire Nation and its Japan and Thailand vibe give it a rich culture and locale. And the Air nation is everywhere so they can pick and choose. Aside from looks, Water tribe lost big time with this setting.
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>>79084165
Those inuit girls age like shit anon, by age 20 katara would probably be getting wrinkles.
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>>79080852
>Ru Fi OOOOOOOOOOOoooooooohhhhhhhh
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>>79084065
Why do earth girls look the best, are they suppose to be latin or greek? I know Water tribe are blacks, Fire nation are german, and Air nomads are chinese
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>>79084262

>age like shit

This is Kya. She's like 55.
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>>79084262
And by age 80 she became a clone of her grandmother
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>>79083207
>>79083395
I get it...
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>>79084295
>Why do earth girls look the best, are they suppose to be latin or greek?

Are you retarded? Earth is clearly China, Fire is Japan, Air is Tibetan, water is Eskimo. How did you not figure this out? Even their geography and clothing resembles those cultures.
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>>79084302
I still think its bullshit people lived that long, that time period you're looking at dying in your 60s like Aang did.
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>>79084339

It's a fantasy world. Bumi was 112 and Kyoshi lived until 250, but that was mostly because the writers fucked up.
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>>79084339
Not necessarily. The average life expectancy in ancient times was dragged down quite a bit by high infant mortality rates. If you survived early infancy and childhood, you were quite likely to live to 60-80 years old. Especially if you were rich and famous, like Katara was.
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>>79084339
What about Bumi and 80 year old Pakku 70 years before Korra?
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>>79084339
>Old people didn't exist until just recently.

Sophocles lived to 92.
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>>79084165
Water tribe girls deserve to be colonised by BIG FIERY BENDERS
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>>79084339
More like +170 years old. Aang supposed to live longer, but those years being stuck inside an iceberg took a toll on his body.

For the original series we got >>79084356
and >>79084391 . So i think its not that impossible.
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>>79079789
>>79079922
>>79080019
>>79080891
>>79084065
>Zutarafaggots
Sure has gotten bumblr on here
Stay made shipper cunts

>>79084065
Yeah she was hot as fuck. Honestly though, none of the girls were right for him. The one he ended up with was okay though.
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>>79084301
Yea, but she had healthy air genes
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>>79084474
Ugly
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>>79084544
I'm not a tumblr user/browser/whatever they call it, but objectively, Zuko is far more likely to get with Katara if the show had even a shred of realism
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>>79084302
>THE LEGEND OF WHORA
I like to pretend this series and that fucking cunt doesn't exist.
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Reminder Ozai did nothing wrong.
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>>79084544
Aaron Ehasz himself said he wanted to explore a subtle romance between Zuko and Katara if they had time. Their relationship was actually very dynamic in season 3, and there was a lot of potential there if they wanted to got that route.

Plus Kataang was sorta creepy.
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>>79084600
There is only one woman for Zuko
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>>79084600
>herp derp women are terrible
Katara and Aang spent 2 months together traveling the world. History and familiarity are important. Aang is also the strongest and most important person in the world. That gets the vaginal fluids flowing a lot more than zuko's looks.
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>>79084600
How is that more realistic? Because he's older and better looking then Aang. Because they had a few moments of solidarity?
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>>79084687
The entire series actually spanned over a year.
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>>79084600
>Zuko is far more likely to get with Katara if the show had even a shred of realism
If it did there would be no Zuko of which to speak of, because perfect boys like him are too good for this world
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>>79077837
I thought the ending of Aavatar was a little weak, but apart from that this show was great. Getting a little nostalgic right now just thinking about it.
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>>79084544
>The one he ended up with was okay though.
I never really liked her, she was kind of ugly, boring and she didn't seem capable of bringing out Zuko's best traits.

Not to mention that they have already broken up three times.
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>>79084710
Katara was wet for aang the moment she saw him fight a fuckin volcano.
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>>79084687
>>79084710

It has nothing to do with women being terrible. It's about physical attractiveness. People are attracted to those who are physically attractive.
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>>79084319
Hmm didn't realise this, I just had them all put down as Asian.
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>>79084710
>better looking
Aang doesn't have a morbid raisin skinned wound on half of his face
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>>79084799
And he won't be a manlet for much longer.
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>>79084768
>Katara was wet for aang the moment she saw him fight a fuckin volcano.
That's a story to tell.
Roku, a fully realized Avatar, dies to a volcano.
Aang, kid who just woke up from sleep and only knew airbending, overcomes a volcano.
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>>79080158
Blind Bandit is literally patrician you fuckhead
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>>79084793
I don't want to put you down or anything, but they show a map several times in the show and it's painfully obvious. The giant landmass is earth, the chain of islands off their coastline is fire, the air nomads live in the southern mountains, the water tribes live in the polar regions....and to top it all off, they clearly resemble the real-life people from those regions.

>I just had them all put down as Asian.

Well, they are all Asian. Just different kinds of Asian.
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>that scene in LoK with Korra strapped and muzzled
MUH DICK
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>>79084822
That's the modified poster, right? Suki put in there while Sokka doesn't interact with her and instead has his back facing her.
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>>79084741
The finale was a bit disappointing, but I was /HYPE/ as fuck when Aang went into the avatar state during his fight with Ozai.
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>>79084837
really activates my thinking almonds...
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>>79084822
Adult Sokka is ridiculously hot.
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>>79084799
Like that matters to girls. Every girl on bumblr probably shlicks to him.

>>79084822
Man Zuko got ugly there
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>>79081871
Wakfu
Anything by based Genndy Tartovkosky
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>>79084097
fuckin lul
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If Zuko and Katara got together, she would've behaved like a mother to him (one of her negaive traits) and zuko would find it weirdly hot.

Yeah Aang was a kid but you could tell he grew into a man who didn't take shit from anyone, you don't want to be in a relationship with someone thats like your mother.
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>>79084822
Why does Toft look so fucking based right there?
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>>79080158
>tales of ba sing se and appa's lost days not 10/10

Pleb detected
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>>79081871

The Loud House
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>>79084876
Yeah, the original only has the five main characters
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>>79084936
Katara being motherly to Aang is what made it weird. You've got this all backwards.
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>>79081871
Star vs The Forces of Evil
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>>79083556
I absolutely hated how they brought back Iroh.

Besides the blatant fanservice, the fact that Iroh essentially chose to cheat death is so out of character for him.
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>>79084995
Yeah but Aang doesn't have mommy issues like Zuko does so he would've grown out of it.
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>>79084902
Katara doesn't browse tumblr though
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>>79084882
I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic, but it's incredibly straightforward. The clothing and architecture of these people even resembles real life Chinese, Japanese, Tibetans and Eskimo.
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>>79084822
Zuko is looking kinda Oro right there.
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Why is she so perfect?
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>>79084936
>you don't want to be in a relationship with someone thats like your mother.

Actually, that's psychology 101
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>>79081871

any bruce timm kino (batman/superman the animated series, justice league, batman beyond)
teen titans
samurai jack
dexter's lab
courage the cowardly dog
spongebob
spider-man/x-men the animated series (not very good but still fun to watch)
megas xlr
venture bros
xiaolin showdown
jackie chan adventures
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>>79079613
it's a good movie for sure, but it lacks meme-able material
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>>79084936
>you don't want to be in a relationship with someone thats like your mother.

You'd be surprised. Women openly want to be with someone who is like their fathers, but there is a fairly large group of men who want "motherly" wives. I don't pretend to understand the psychology behind it, but it is a very real thing.
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>>79085075
Get out Freud
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>>79084675

Thought this was going to be some Azula/Zuko incest
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>>79081871
Moral Orel
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>>79085099
there's a big difference between "motherly" and "like your mother"
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>>79085099
The thing is for Zuko it would be pretty fucked up since he has so many issues to go into a relationship with someone that's like his mother. Compare May and Ursula and there's a hint that Zukos not into the mothering type.
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>>79085160
But Katara never actually mothered him. In fact, I think that was a big basis for the Zutara "argument". He was the only character she didn't mother, which suggested a different and less Freudian dynamic in any romance they had.

Though this is Katara, she probably would have acted like his mom eventually.
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>>79085075
Freud also said that sometimes a sagar is just a sagar.
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>>79085067
Best waifu in the show period.

>theres never an alternate future where Zuko decided to run the tea shop with her once Iroh passed away.
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>>79084940
Toph is based no matter what
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>>79085231
Best girl as she may be, the way they set up that episode and how it played out was really effective and relatable. I always liked the episodes that stressed that the characters are kids who are missing out on the things they should be experiencing as young people because of all the shit they're going through.
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>>79085252
i'll never understand why she's so popular here

i thought she was cringe even as a child
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>A:TLA better than literally every anime

Weebs BTFO
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>>79085067
>>79085231
She should have been a main character.
I crack shipped her with with Zuko
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>>79085148
I honestly see no difference.

>>79085160
>The thing is for Zuko it would be pretty fucked up since he has so many issues to go into a relationship with someone that's like his mother.

Those issues are what makes him more likely to go into a relationship with a motherly woman. When I was a child, my mother broke my ribs on 4 different occasions and my left arm once*. And guess what? I'm attracted to older white women with freckles. The same thing happens to women attracted to their fathers.

*She always cried afterwards and told the doctors they were "baseball injuries", the bitch.
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>>79085231
Didn't she dump Zuko because he was a fire bender? She was pretty racist.
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>>79085277
>things they should be experiencing as young people
Too far anon, too far
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mmm, Jin
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>>79085331
To be fair, the firebenders had been slaughtering her people for like 10 years. If I was an American living in WWII New York, and I found out that my cute gf was a German (like literally born/raised in Germany), I'd dump her in a second.
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>>79085315
you're a fucking moron that's probably seen like 10 anime

i love ATLA but this meme is so retarded and some faggot always has to post it
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>>79085331
Not at all, I don't know where you got that from.
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>>79085329
>zutara fags hate their mothers

Now this is a new introspection.
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>>79085308
Delete this
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>>79085308
>That moment when she learns how to bend mettle while captured by the enemy.

Really anon
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>>79085331
No, she never found out. Zuko dumped her after kissing her because he chose honor before hoes
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>>79085331
Earth kingdom girls have an embded racism that needs to be cured by Hotman dik
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>>79085331
That was Jet
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>>79085308

She's a qt.
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>>79085363
He's not entirely wrong. I am an unironic weeb (my cousin, Alex Ochoa, had a successful baseball career in Japan, brought back a cute Japanese wife, and got me interested in Japan), but at the same time, ATLA is much better than most anime.

If I had to think of anime better than it: Spice & Wolf, Code Geass, Baccano, Fate/Zero, Haruhi, arguably Hyouka (I'm a sucker for good animation and nice music).... but there is still a mountain of shit that ATLA is head and shoulder above.
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>>79085363
>This post
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>>79085424
Jet was the Chad version of Sokka
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>>79085397
Dumb fuck.
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>>79085383
This is horrible anon. Delete yourself.
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>>79085040
Eh I think with Earth and Fire its a little less straightforward, they both have pretty heavy Chinese themes IMO. I mean wasn't the most popular name in the Fire Nation Lee or some shit? But then again Chinese/Japanese has a lot of shared culture.
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>>79085380
Oh man, I'm not a Zutara fag. Didn't mean to give that impression at all. I'm very much a Aang/Katara fag (really more of a Sokka/Toph fag, but whatever). I think Zuko is an objectively worse choice. But I have some understanding of human sexuality. Objectively, Zuko is far more attractive to any woman than Aang, because:

-he is tall
-he has a full head of hair
-he has a "strong" personality
-he's wealthy

This is what women like. Aang is a good dude, but he's a little bald kid.
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>>79085329
I was implying that some people have shitty moms, but your's sounds shittier than mine

I've thought my mom was a cunt for a long time and I can honestly say I'm not especially attracted to women that look like her, in fact my type is the exact opposite of her
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>>79085473
Women also like power anon and Aang is pretty much a demi-god
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>>79085427
>code geass better than ATLA

not to be a dick or anything but opinion discarded

>>79085451
faggot
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>>79083955
Smoke and Shadow had issues. The kidnappings didn't feel like a very Azula thing to be doing and it bugged me the whole time. But putting Zuko in the middle of a safety vs security conflict was a good narrative idea and good for his character, and on the basis of that alone I'd rate it higher.

The Rift was top shit though. If only they could all be like that.
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>>79085363
Weeb detected. Name ONE (1) anime that is greater than Avatar in terms of:

>charm
>lore
>setting
>animation (this point alone puts avatar above 99% of anime)
>characters
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>>79085458
You can blame yourself
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>>79085459
>I think with Earth and Fire its a little less straightforward, they both have pretty heavy Chinese themes IMO

You only think that because-

>But then again Chinese/Japanese has a lot of shared culture.

-oh shit, you figured it out while I was still typing it, and when I read this part of your post I had to delete part of mine. Yeah, this is exactly it. Japan and China have a lot of culture in common. It's weird because of their modern animosity, but they are quite similar. But I think it's pretty obvious that Earth is meant to be China and Fire is meant to be Japan. Remember, that this is a show made by Americans, from the American PoV, shaped by the experiences of our grandparents in WWII. Japan is the warlike, industrial nation, China is the religious, peaceful, rural nation. Fire (Japan) is cool, but dangerous, Earth (China) is wise and strong and ultimately good, despite any corruption.

Maybe it's less obvious to a European/Aussie (which I assume you are), but Earth and Fire are very much the images of what Americans like to think of China and Japan as.
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>>79085363

>Finish ATLA
>Need something to fill the void
>Start watching Cowboy Bebop, the so-called best anime
>It's crap

Not a meme, bro.
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>>79085536
I hate that they turned my nigga Zuko into a cuck.
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>>79085527
>not to be a dick or anything but opinion discarded

Hey man, no offense intended. We're just grown men talking about foreign* cartoons, right? If you liked ATLA more, then I completely understand. It's a terrific show. I just thought Code Geass was better.

*I know ATLA was technically made in California, but I'm a half cuban/half swede from the East Coast and tbqh Cali, with its mexicans and chinese people, is a foreign country to me.

>>79085546
Spice and Wolf
Baccano
Code Geass
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>>79085564
Lets face it though, one is clearly superior.
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>>79085610
I hate that they never gave Zuko blue fire or force lighting
>>
>>79085610
Zuko's got more important shit to worry about than bitches
>>
>>79085663
He shouldn't pine after some bitch way below his league
>>
>>79085610
May was shit anyway
>>
>>79085564
>Remember, that this is a show made by Americans, from the American PoV, shaped by the experiences of our grandparents in WWII. Japan is the warlike, industrial nation, China is the religious, peaceful, rural nation. Fire (Japan) is cool, but dangerous, Earth (China) is wise and strong and ultimately good, despite any corruption.

*And to clarify further:

Americans have always had a deep fascination, I would say almost love, for China. Their rural nature, emphasis on the importance of family/the nation, their arrogant hypocrisy....they're essentially an asian version of us. Don't be confused by anti-Chinese politicians like Trump. Americans are generally quite positive towards the Chinese.

There's a reason that the Chinese are typically the good guys in any Hollywood movie set in Asia, even animated cartoons like Avatar and Kung Fu Panda.
>>
Ty Lee was best girl
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>>79080388
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>>79085660
Blue Fire is just an aesthetic choice to make the Zuko vs Azula fights look prettier.

But it's true that he should be able to shoot lightning and that Azula suddenly learning how to redirect it was asspulled.
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>>79085708
I had an asian girlfriend who was a big fan of ATLA, and she was a huge fan of Ty Lee. When were were 15, we had a bizarre roleplay sex session (my parents were off on some cruise or vacation or whatever soulless rich American parents do), I invited her to my place, she had a Ty Lee costume, I roleplayed as Sakko (I've got light brown skin), and we fucked like there was no tomorrow.

It was fucking terrific.
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>>79077837
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>>79085663
This nigga knows waddup
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>>79085660
Zuko should've had white flames for his power up
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>>79085788
He does get to shoot rainbow flames at some point, but then he jobs to Azula again like a loser.
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>>79085767
As a latino American man, I simultaneously love and hate Santa Anna.

Love:

>his stupid ass gave Texas and the entire California Territory to "us" (my mom's side)

Hate:
>his stupid ass gave Texas and the entire California Territory to "them" (my mother's side), ensuring eternal Washington domination of everything from Alaska to Buenos Aires

NEVER, EVER RACEMIX. PLEASE. You just create confused kids like me. What am I? Who do I hate? Who do I love?
>>
>>79085729
Delegetsu El Rato was my favourite animes
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>>79085584
>bebop
>crap

bebop isn't even one of my favs but you're a moron
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>>79085831
>m-muh animus
Nice
>>
>>79085831

Annoying characters, meme music, nothing happens, no story.
>>
>>79085762
cool story bro
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>>79085884
what did you mean by this?
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>>79085893
i can't fathom how you could find any of the characters other than ed annoying

>nothing happens
something happened every episode

>meme music
kill yourself
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>>79085762
>tfw no ty lee gf

Why even live?
>>
>>79085893
I don't even like Bebop anymore and even I think your full of shit.
>>
>>79085339
That experience could have also been her eventually telling him to fuck off because he's an autistic sperg, but the point was he never even got to get that far because HONOR.
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>>79085584
I think anon prefer a more story arc based anime. Bebop is more episodic. Try Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood, pretty nice show and at 64 episodes, its around the same length as ATLA.

>>79085813
I thought Azula is going to redeem himself after discovering their mom. But seeing her is the mist popular villain, i guess they can't help. Should just feature a proto-red lotus villain to connect with LoK and just fucking confirm Zuko's wife already damn it.
>>
>>79085564
>>79085707
Eh, I don't want to get too political here but I think the popular perception of Japan these days is more positive than China. I'm pretty sure there's like actual polls to reflect this. Sort of inevitable since Japan is a straight ally of the US whereas China is at best a frienemy. But the great thing about fascination with the culture itself is that it can be freed from being influenced by that because it allows you to see the beautiful idealized versions of these cultures without pesky modern politics getting in the way. People don't let the turmoil in the middle east affect their enjoyment of Aladdin either.

Which is why I don't find it too far-fetched if both the Fire and Earth nations were based solely off the Chinese, just on different aspects or possibly different time eras, that sort of thing. The Fire Lords kinda give off the vibe of the ruthless kings of Chinese history like Qin Shih Huang whereas the Earth Emperor is like one of the more stereotypically "peaceful" dynasties like the Song IMO.

I've always felt that the creators of Avatar were actually trying their best to avoid Japanese references mostly because of how well-represented Japan already is in animation, mostly so they could create something that felt unique. There is, for example, no references to stereotypically Japanese things like peach blossoms, Amaterasu or Shinto, Samurais/Ninjas etc.
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>>79086418
>I don't want to get too political here but I think the popular perception of Japan these days is more positive than China.

Agreed, but I think the Fire Nation is primarily based off the rapid industrialization/expansion of the Empire, though China clearly played an influence as you noted. Both Earth/Fire take influence from both countries but foremost I think Earth=China, Fire=Japan.
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