Did this slimy shit get away scot free at the end?

>lost his wife and kid
>only his share and nothing else
>best friend gets fucking killed
>everyone he works with gets fucking killed
>has to live in hiding as a fugitive for the rest of his life
>child will probably be sent to state because of wife's last act of loyalty

No anon he's not Scott-Free

I know that's not what the movie was about but I still have a really hard time accepting that DeNiro went back for that guy instead of going away with his waifu

>>79037866
he just really liked revenge
like when he went to kill the bank guy at his house

>>79037866
Hatred's a hell of a motivator

He saw the heat round the corner

>>79037866
Waingrow proved that De Niro was slave to his thief persona. Just as Pacino was a slave to his cop persona.

The whole movie was a series of parallels anon.

>>79037866
another pet peeve: she looked at least 10 years younger than him, he was a total asshole to her in the diner and she was still hitting on him

Why didn't Pacino just let Deniro go?

>>79037979
you never know with those hayseed daddy-issues types

I just watched this movie for the first time last night.
breddygud

>>79037979
Yeah but he had money and knew what he wanted.
Both can be attractive when you're young and not sure where you're going with your life.

>>79037945
Yea Neil breaks his own code of not having attachments and it fucks him in the end.

>>79037979

the better question is

how was she able to afford that apartment with the sweet view of LA while working in a bookstore?

>>79037752

It is heavily implied that Chris was never apprehended by authorities. At least, he is a free man as of the end of the events of the film.

However, it is made perfectly clear, as the OP says, that he passionately loves his gf/wife, that he is unable to leave her, and that he is temperamentally incapable of walking away from his woman, as Neil is. This is enough for us to conclude that a Chris without his woman is a broken and destroyed man, who is as good as dead as the rest of the crew. You can see this reaction play out very clearly, in which is admittedly a good piece of acting, the last time that we see Chris on-screen in the movie. It's hitting him, what he's lost. Guess he shouldn't have constantly done high-profile crimes all in the same city and been a multiple-cop-killer. Huh.

I'm not exactly sure what happened to his family. If the cops couldn't make the guy as Chris, then on what grounds would the son be separated from the mother? On what grounds would the gf be sent away as an accessory?

OTOH his wife was cucking him, which he's liable to find out sooner or later.

Two other angles that I think about but which never get discussed: what about the corrupt diner manager? His corruption played a role in spurring the driver into joining. If I were a prosecutor, I'd definitely go after the diner manager, and of course I'd try to make something stick on the above wife (but what?).

Further, remember Kelso? He wanted ten percent, and he held up his end, one hundred precent. Did he ever see dime one of his money?

>>79037979
They really need to stop putting deniro in kissing scenes. Shit is always awkward as hell.

>>79037979

>t. Beta virgin

>>79038121
don't get bogged down in real estate calculations for movies & TV, it's a real rabbit hole

somebody calculated that the Friends apartments rent would be over 60k a year and outside of Rachel and to some extent Monica they didn't really have that kind of money

>>79038165
what? How is anything I said beta?

>>79038165
who are you quoting?

>>79037866
>>79037904
>>79037911

Waingro is the author of the whole job getting all fucked up, and is a rather huge loose end. It was (ahem) personal, and did make some sense for Neil to do Waingro while he had the opportunity.

Neil etc tried to murder Waingro and almost succeeded. Who's to say that Waingro might not have popped up in Fiji, ten years later, and necked Neil in his sleep?

Getting rid of Waingro is practical, feasible, and emotionally satisfying as revenge for your bros. This is the calculation that was running in Neil's head before he turned the car around.

>>79037987
Pacino was a cop and Deniro was both a cop killer and a wanted criminal. Why would he?

>>79038294
>practical, feasible
the hotel was swarming with cops

No love for the poor negro who got pulled back into crime for "one last job" that got him killed? I always felt bad for him.

>>79038472
he took all of 10 seconds to make that choice. If it wasn't this job it was gonna be the next

>>79038505

it was because of his asshole boss

do people even follow the movies on here?

>>79038556
>it was because of his asshole boss
oh ok well bank robbery is fine then

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>>79038598
It's hard to say no when you have literally nothing going for you and no money. He might have been a dumb nigger, but he was a product of his environment and got taken advantage of by rich career criminals who saw him as a cheap driver. I don't even remember them mentioning him at all after his death.

>>79038651
>I don't even remember them mentioning him at all after his death.

they also don't mention tom sizemore's character after the heist iirc so that doesn't have to mean anything

but yeah his death is one of the more tragic

>>79038651
>The black guy from Heat
Top kek

>>79038651
how is he being taken advantage of? I don't remember them lying to him. It was a straight up high risk high reward job and he bought it.

Not to turn this into /pol/ but fuck that shit about muh product of my environment. There are tens of millions of people working minimum wage with douchebag bosses but only a certain percentage pick up a gun to "improve" matters

>>79038651
they already cased him from prison. neil wouldn't make an approach if he didn't already know the guy was in the zone of dependability. neil ran his crew like an infantry squad, everyone shared the risks.

>>79038141
I doubt anyone cared about the manager and just assumed the guy on parole would repeat his offense like many other criminals.

>>79038141
>the manager was mean to his parole hire so it's all his fault that the ex-con he just hired went out to help getaway for guys who rob a bank/kill cops

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Chris Shiherlis is my spirit animal

>>79038188
Sometimes it gets ridiculous though.
Hollywood seems to think there are upper middle class condos (where 20-something waitresses and white unemployed live) and third-world tier slums (when they want some oh so terrible misery porn) and nothing in between.

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>>79038786
>tfw felt bad more for Tom Sizemore's character just because I like Tom Sizemore
Would've loved a movie with him and Michael Madsen as brothers/criminals

>>79039317
Eh, the moment he took a child hostage he lost a lot of sympathy from me. Fuck, the whole crew was just a bunch of murderers and thieves and Pacino was a fucking asshole. This movie really has no good guys.

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>I was just doing my job!

>>79039317

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robbery_Homicide_Division

>>79037866
>what is honor?

Female detected

>>79039501
>mfw that's Buffallo Bill from Silence of the Lambs

>>79038651
That's Allstate's Stand™.

>>79038399

And notice how Neil easily slipped them all and just about got away, but for the extra-sharp eyes and nose of our man Hanna, and the love interest that /did/ give Neil a moment's hesitation.

Neil has supervillain plot armor which means that he can't just be taken down by any beat schmuck. There has to be the final ebin confrontation between Hanna and Neil, good and evil.

>>79039747
So is the main chief guy from Monk.

>>79038141
>Further, remember Kelso? He wanted ten percent, and he held up his end, one hundred precent. Did he ever see dime one of his money?

kek, this

I guess those deals are off once people got killed

>>79038651
>>79038786
They do mention them. I mean, Neil does, when talking to his girlfriend and the spic guy.

>>79039250
>>79038598

t. idiots who miss the point.

Obviously the black guy was a high risk to re-offend in any event, and obviously the manager didn't tell him to go out and rob a bank.

/But his corruption certainly didn't help. And quite positively hurt./

True, you might not be able to do the diner manager as an /accessory/ as-such, but in the interests of justice, you would be well justified to come down quite sternly on him, for his precipitous role. And also, because, y'know, he was breaking the law.

The fictional example in the movie is an object lesson for /why corruption is a bad thing and must be rooted out and punished/: if enough people don't play by the rules, then social trust goes down, enough other people also start to get the message that playing by the rules is for chumps, lies abound, you don't know if the medicine that you're getting is in fact the right medicine, and then you might as well live in rural India.

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>>79037752
Did this slimy shit get away scot free at the end?

>>79040160
Do you see me doing thrillseeker liquor store holdups with a born to lose tattoo on my chest?

>>79040160
Hes a big guy

>>79039839
>good and evil
>Heat

Whole movie went over your head, didn't it?

Bon voyage, motherfucker.

>>79040229

>skill is a quality which transcends good and evil, being readily visible wherever it is applied

tell yourself whatever it is that you have to tell yourself.

>>79040160
He got fucking shot anon

>>79040160
No, Niel murders him

>>79040709
>skill
>Heat

Whole movie went over your head, didn't it?

This movie was basically just a documentary about two men who excel at their jobs. It really wasn't anything more than vehicle to show that cops and criminals are cut from the same cloth and are very close to one another. That's Mann's whole theme basically throughout most his movies.

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>>79037866
He did the right thing going for his revenge. Not going after Waingro when he had the chance would have haunted him for the rest of his life

>>79039412
>Eh, the moment he took a child hostage he lost a lot of sympathy from me.

Don't be such a pussy, he never threatens the kid or anything, he just scoops one up because he knows nobody will take a shot at him as long as he's got a kid with him.

>>79042256
>he just scoops one up because he knows nobody will take a shot at him as long as he's got a kid with him
Looks like he was the pussy, couldn't handle a gun fight without using an innocent child as a human shield

>>79042410
>wtf faggots too much of a pussy to 1v1 me?

>>79037752
Is this Val Kilmer? I don't remember this. I thought I watched all his movies. I even watched fucking Thunderheart.

>>79040160
Neil shot him while he was watching a hockey game in his living room.

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>>79039501

Fuck, besides Neil, Bosco's death hit me

>>79043733
What did he say when Pacino was checking on him?
>It's Toretto, Brian!
poor ole diarrhea voice

>>79038121
There are no poor people in Michael Mann's universe. Literally everybody wears designer clothes, lives above Sunset and drives a Ferrari.

>>79038165
>projecting this hard
Protip: act like an arsehole, and women won't think you're an alpha. They'll just think you're an arsehole.

>>79044674
>Trejo literally drives an El Camino and wears a sweat suit in Heat

the cowboy jobs giver guy was the only one who wasn't a greenhorn little shit

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>fucks black hookers then murders them
literally /ourguy/

He did, but i imagine he went back to gambling and possibly drugs and blew all his cash. Cant really imagine him getting over the loss of his wife and kid and the death of his mentor.

>>79045027
*rotates head to the side*

you dont know what this is, do you?

>>79045064
>tfw he literally turned into an old Waingro

>>79045027
The Grim Raper is visiting with you

>>79044674
>Michael (((((Mann)))))
that explains it, jews are all wealthy from birth until "death"
They have no idea of what actual poverty looks like

>>79045027
>fucks
>/ourguy/
pick fucking 1 (one)

>>79045027
>southern mouth-breathing retard
>literally /ourguy/

Confirmed.

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>>79045455
You just had to fuck with me...

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>Ain't a hard time been invented that I can not handle.

Why did this sound so weird?

>>79045848
if it were can't handle instead of "can not handle" it would seem more natural, fluid

>>79039747
he's even is doing the same death pose Bill did

>>79045179
I cant see Chris turning into a mudering, job ruining psycho. He was a pro. He'd probably never do another job or get killed/go to prison if he did another by way of him being strung out and without his old crew.

>>79037866
I found it pretty easy to accept. He's a career thief. Criminals make impulsive stupid decisions.

>>79038141
How would the cops even know about the manager? The only one who could tell them is dead.

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>Val Kilmer pitched a sequel where his character, Chris Shiherlis, wanting revenge against Lt. Vincent Hanna (Al Pacino), seduces Hanna's adoptive daughter Lauren Gustafson (Natalie Portman), now an adult, and becomes engaged to her to gain access to the retired Hanna. The two men, both past their prime, engage in a battle of wits during a weekend getaway with Hanna's family.

Would it have been kino?

>>79046482
>pseudo Cape Fear(1992)
meh

>>79044282

Fuck, is Heat part of the F&F universe?

His character's name in Heat was Chris Shiherlis

Shiherlis.

Why doesn't anyone talk about how fucking weird that is?

>>79045848

He sounded really eloquent then goes into straight nigga tier by saying "what you doin with me anyway". It's off.

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What the hell you proud of me for?

>>79037866

"Don't let yourself get attached to anything you are not willing to walk out on in 30 seconds flat if you feel the heat around the corner." McCauley says this line twice, to two different characters, so I assume the writer thought this was important.

McCauley initially seems to practice it for most of the movie, but he's unable to let go of his anger at betrayal at the end.

In their discussion in the diner, Hanna dismisses the advice as a vacant ideology, but the irony is that he's a slave to it. His job comes before everything else in his life.

It's also why the shootout at the very end is so good. It gives us a showdown we wanted, and re-enforces that Hanna walked that path straighter than McCauley.