I loved it.

It's a pretty good pleb filter.

>inb4 a bunch of screenerfags come in to tell you that you actually hated it

>>78995596
Artsy flaggot movie

>>78995596
it was stupid

>>78995596
The whole learning a language makes your brain work different thing was pretty retarded though.

about to watch, do i need subs?

>>78996028
Na you need to watch something else

>>78995596
This movie is only adored by people who feel good because they "get it".

This movie wasn't good, the first half was decent then it went fullblown Interstellar-tier.

>>78996043
Thing is it's not even a very smart movie why would anyone not get it.

>>78995596
>Learn a language
>Be able to see future

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problem is that it's a strong 7/10, i'll even accept it as a weak 8, but people are calling it the best sci - fi in decades, which just isn't true.

Also starting and ending your film with "on the nature of daylight" (the saddest and most beautiful song ever) while you have sad shit going on is really emotional manipulative, if the song didn't have such strong ties to shutter island for me i'd probably ble one of the 10/10 shills

>>78996027
It's right though.

it had good eye candy throughout the movie

>>78995596

If you like Sci-Fi.

If you like Villneuve's style.

If you like a non-Marry Sue (actually) strong female character.

Then Arrival is solid kino.

>>78996066
She doesn't just "see" the future, she literally interacts with it.

As far as blockbuster cinema goes this was one of the best I've seen and while I thought Villeneuve didn't even care about cinema, this film definitely proves me wrong.

>>78996083

>problem is that it's a strong 7/10, i'll even accept it as a weak 8, but people are calling it the best sci - fi in decades, which just isn't true.

Ofcourse that isnt true.

Interstellar is the best Sci-Fi since Matrix.

>>78996101
She doesn't interact with future. She just remembers the future like humans remember the past.

was it my copy or was the film weirdly dark?

like it had some shitty filter?

Seems to me that people who hate on this movie hate the people who liked it more than the movie itself.

>>78996136

Maybe watch it in the kino and dont just watch a shitty cam rip, then complaining about the cinematography pleb.

>>78996118
She does interact with the future, for example when she asks the General what she told him to convince him to not attack the aliens.

>>78996136
It was purposefully dark, silhouette like. I have a high end OLED and it looked amazing.

>>78996142

>what is contrarianism

Welcome to /tv/.

>>78995596
Me too

It was okay. Fell apart at the end though.

>>78996028

>Not watching all movies with subs

There were some parts in the helicopters where I couldn't hear anything being said.

>>78996157
she doesn't interact with the future, the future ceases to exist, she is thinking NON-LINEARLY about time

also shit movie denis is a hack just like nolan

>>78996306
You are not supposed to. Louise even remarks she couldn't hear what Ian said (before putting on the headset), you aren't supposed to hear it either when the sound mixing intentionally does it like this.

>>78996351

>buzzwords
>more buzzwords
>autism

Now this is /tv/ posting.

>>78996365

Well, those parts were still subtitled, so I knew what was being said.

>>78996351
Her future and her "present" are mixed together and work with each other. Without her future (the party scene with the General), she could have never saved the alien in the present from an attack.

There's also another scene, when her daughter (in the future) asks her something and she finds the answer in her present when Ian tells her, and then she can answer her daughter in the future.

>>78996379
>I didn't watch the movie
ok dude (retard)

>>78996528

ok (autist) retard "dude"

When in the film do the aliens mention something humanity will do for them 3000 years in the future, I must have missed that part.

I thought it was kinda fucked up she still decided to have a kid with that dude?

>>78996718

Her child's life still has value, and the parent's interaction with the child does, even if it is tragically cut short.

>>78996750
It's selfish if you ask me desu

>>78996770
Narcissistic would be to assume you can decide if life is worth living.

>>78996750

I get that but the kid still has to go thru that shit. And it was kinda fucked up she didnt tell Ian what was going to happen , even though theres a chance he would leave her before they have a baby

>>78996781
It's not born yet though, so technically it doesn't exist.

they could just not fuck

>>78996816
>And it was kinda fucked up she didnt tell Ian what was going to happen ,
She does tell Ian. That is why Ian leaves her.

>>78996825

I mean before they have a baby

tfw no sex process

>>78996846
Yeah. I like ithat she wasn't "all good" as in told about this beforehand. Or that Ian stayed with her. Brings realism to it all when characters do these humane thigns.

I thought it was alright. I liked the focus on language theory, but otherwise, meh. The characters weren't very interesting, especially Hawkeye, he might as well just have been a penis.

I went into it having high hopes since Villeneuve has had a few good movies in the last few years but it really was just another feel-good blockbuster flick. If that's your thing then i'm no one to judge but it seriously was nothing special.

>>78996709
When she meets alone with that last ayy

>>78996417

I don't think she can interact with the future. The way i see it, the aliens came from the future and told her everything but she just realized the message when she mastered the language. Just like when you listen to a song in french and you have no idea what it means, but then you learn french and thinking back you realise what it meant.

It was a good story base, but I wish there was more plot elements. Felt like a one hour Outer Limits episode stretched over a full movie.

Worth watching, some nice ideas, good execution, but not a grand slam.

One flaw is the terrible cgi of the actors in some scenes. Quit being lazy and do some practical effects.

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>>78996027
You're retarded.
Language does shape the way we think, you're just too retarded to understand what it means.

For example, there are languages in which specific tones of blue have different names, and those people are also more likely to be able to tell the difference between these tones. Or in english you say that someone commits suicide, as if they had suddenly done something wrong, whereas in spain you say someone has completed their suicide, so suicide is looked at differentely in spanish culture than america etc.

Language shapes how we think, there is no doubt about it. I wish plebs would just stop watching films.

Zero on screen chemistry between Adams and Remner. All that time she spent convincing the general should have been spent convincing Ian and winning him over.

>knows child will get sick
Why didn't they just conceive like a month later? Surely it would make some difference?
And she never got the urge to try to change something unimportant in the future out of spite?

>>78996027
Literally the only clever thing aboutthe movie and I was pretty pissed the whole thing wasnt entirely about that

>>78997481
More like why the fuck every movie about circular timelines always avoid to deal face on with a non deterministic universe?
It doesnt mater what she (or anyone else) would do as she couldnt change any of it cause when the deterministic principle of cause and effect gets broken up because of a different perception of time, everything is already set in stone.

But, like always, they just pussy out about it by being cheesy and using "love" or some other bullshit as a motif to why people, although knowing it all, pretend to act as they must.

If I suddenly acquired the ability to see time non-linearly and, for all intents and purposes, see the future, the LAST fucking thing I would be planning would be a family lol

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My Amy is in all the best movies. It's a travesty that she still hasn't been awarded an Oscar.

I swear to god when a scifi film doesn't end in a conflict or battle it always tries to be deep and ruins the movie in the final 20 minutes.

>>78997481
Or not have a kid. Or have sex with literally anyone else. Or adopt. Really the bitch is retarded.

>>78997676
Her daughter seems to be more important to the story than the movie showed.

>>78997879
If the movie doesn't show it, it really doesn't matter now, does it?

>>78996953

Are there subtitles during that scene? I only watched a downloaded copy that didnt have any.

>>78997973
No, i saw it only because i have subtitles

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>>78995596
>/tv/ shits on good movies like Arrival and The VVitch, calls them pretentious and broing
>praises awful, stinking garbage like Batman V Superman and has dozens of threads after every new episode of Game of Thrones/Walking Dead
you guys are such fagots I swear

I was a bit disappointed. It was well shot and acted but about as deep as a puddle

I'd rate it on the same level as Interstellar

>>78998249
Literally none of the things you listed there are "good", kiddo.

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Why didn't she just hold off on having sex for a day? That way the guy's semen would be recycled which means a different child would be born, one that wouldn't fucking die.

>>78996028
Yes there are subs for some of the aliens part that aren't even in the .srt of the web dl.

>>78998801
Because she loved her daughter you mongoloid. Did you miss the whole message of the film

>>78996709
>>78998844
Here's their conversation

Costello?
Where is Abbott?
"ABBOTT IS DEATH PROCESS"
I'm sorry.
We're sorry.
I need you to...
I need you to... to send a message...
to the other sites.
LOUISE HAS WEAPON
"USE WEAPON"
I don't... I don't understand.
What is your purpose here?
"WE HELP HUMANITY"
"IN THREE THOUSAND YEARS"
"WE NEED HUMANITY HELP"
How can you know the future?
I don't...
I don't understand. Who is this child?
The program is called
"Mommy and Daddy talk to animals."
"LOUISE SEES FUTURE"
"WEAPON OPENS TIME"
Wait... No! Wait!

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>>78995596
Arrival is Villeneuve's latest yearly-attempt to convince pseudo-cinephiles that he's an artist. In it, he has a vague non-sensical sci-fi plot about time travel. Where smart films, such as the original Iron Man or Christopher Nolan's Inception, construct a believable world and then weave sci-fi themes around it, Arrival goes full idiocy. We get telepathic aliens that look like hands and can see the future who teach Amy Adams to time travel so that she can save the world so that the world can save the aliens in the future. Sounds stupid? That's because it is. And don't be confused by the trailers, there are no big set-pieces, no explosions or shoot-outs. Just 2 hours of Amy Adams acting confused before she realises that Jeremy Renner is the father of her dead baby from the future. Yeah.
Arrival is an attempt to copy Nolan's contemporary classic, Interstellar, but without the interesting space-travel and without the emotional impact that leaves you in tears. I'd say Villeneuve needs to take a break from filmmaking to figure out his strengths, but BladeRunner 2 is coming soon so we know there's no hope of that happening.

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>>78998936
Thanks anon

>>78997973
There was subtitles on my screener download but they were black and the aliens were black so you could only see some of them. I could make out the important bits thoug.

>>78995955
>>78997234
these
>>78996057
because this board is full of capeshitters that adore that anything Nolan craps out with its constant exposition and explanations (which still somehow manage to be filled with plot holes if you actually pay attention)
they want films that they can watch in the background and not pay attention to

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>>78998959
>non-sensical

>>78998936

Double thanks.

>>78996157
>for example when she asks the General what she told him
The general tells her unprovoked actually and her future-self can't remember why because she no longer experiences time linearly
And that's not her "intereracting with the future", that's an event that happened in her future which she perceives

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>>78998801
>mfw i share a board with people this stupid

>>78998959
Is this an honest pasta?

>>78999204
>Where smart films, such as the original Iron Man or Christopher Nolan's Inception,
Take a wild guess

>>78997676

It wouldn't matter what she does. For someone that experiences time in a non linear way, the future you see is completely dependent on the actions you take in the present. If she would have chosen not to have a kid the future she experienced would have been one without a kid. It would be impossible to alter her current behavior in an attempt to change the future because she's experiencing time all at once, or at least beginning too.

>>78999117
you must be new here. He's actually average, there are far worse.

>>78996821
>bu-bu-but life always matters!

what's the point of having a baby you WILL know she's going to suffer and have painful death?
this woman is worse than hitler if you ask me

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>>78998801
Fuck it, I'm so tired.
Because
>it was the whole point of the movie
but more importantly, but god forbid we talk about that
>she couldnt avoid it.

She couldnt "change" the "future".
She couldnt not have the kid, cause the kid was already there, in the same time, but we percieve it linearly and the aliens dont.
There is no present, no past, no future, none of Adams actions were her OWN, it's all written, like in a book, you cant escape it.

She "already" had the kid

>>78999331
why would you bother living if you know you're gonna die?

>>78999382
is this bait? I made a serious post, can you please stop trolling for a second you stupid fuck

>>78999331
Prove that a life of suffering is worse than never existing. I'll wait
And you better not rely on any bullshit that relies on the asumption that not existing can be equated to existing without pain

>>78999366
>>78999117
>>78998918

I admit I wasn't considering the point of the movie, but would you truly be able to act the exact same way you do if you can see the future? Just by learning about it will make your body behave differently. It'd be literally impossible for her to have the exact same child once she saw it.

Star Trek played with the multiple futures/universes approach and I do believe that is better science fiction over a closed cycle.

Point is that if you live your life being able to jump your memory around any part of it you should be able to make changes if the "present" time is still a thing.

>>78999426
It's not bait, it's supposed to activate your neurons

>>78998801
Even though you might not be aware of it you actually have no choice and this is a scientific FACT. If you could actually see the future there would be NOTHING you could do to change it. This is DETERMINISM, choice is an ILLUSION. Now how can this be you might ask, do I have any proof? The answer is YES, it's called CAUSALITY and it's the ESSENTIAL PRINCIPLE of the UNIVERSE. You cannot by your will CHANGE which neuron will fire, which direction an atom will move after a collision. This is all determined by previous neurons, by previous collisions, ad infinitum to the beginning of time. Of course we live everyday life BELIEVING we have a choice but this does not change REALITY. So she could not by the laws of nature have sex another day.

>>78995596
Weird. I hated Tree of Life but loved this.

>>78999496
>Just by learning about it will make your body behave differently
This is based on the assumption that before she learnt about it, the future occurred without her learning about it
But in every future, she learns to see time non-linearly at the same point in her life and thus reacts in the same way

>Point is that if you live your life being able to jump your memory around any part of it you should be able to make changes if the "present" time is still a thing.
Prove to me that free-will exists in such a way that we can be certain that seeing the future is categorically impossible and I'll agree with you. If you don't understand why I'm asking this then you have a bad understanding of time
Hint the past, present and future don't really exist, they're arbitrary terms

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>People have BIZARRE angry overreactions about this movie and how much they hate it.

Really, what did it do wrong? It's like the Trump of movies.

>I FUCKING HATE IT ARGGGH!
>Skub.

>>78999496
Yeah, I get what you're saying but you're keeping AGAIN your reasoning linear. You say "if you can SEE the future", but to SAW it, it is already a reality. One you cant escape.

Also, you're reasoning under the assumption that human, and Amy Adams in this flick, have free will and they can decide what to do and their actions have consequences.
In a universe like the one in Arrival, you know for a fact that time is circular and consequences can precede causality, so dismiss the deterministic cause effect logic.
Amy Adams didnt chose to have a dead kid.
She thinks she did, but that's just what it would seem to us in that kind of situation.
Ironically she is just a charachter on a screen. Everything she does it's already written.

>>78999496
read the short story, it does a better job of explaining how the nonlinearity works

>>78999635
Not weird at all
Tree of Life is pretentious, unfocused shit that throws some generic philosophy in the underlying themes
Arrival actually a good film that provides insight into philosophy of language and proposes and interesting [if inconceivable] consideration for potential effects of whorfianism

>>78998936
>Costello and Abbott
All of my kek in the Italian dub they name them Tom and Jerry

>>78999683
it made them feel stupid
when they went and had a minor complaint here and people pointed out that they misunderstood the film, they then felt even more stupid

thus they insult the film to internally convince themselves that they disliked it because it was bad and not because they're stupid

>>78998936
>"ABBOTT IS DEATH PROCESS"

What does he mean by these? I think I get the rest of it with 'weapon' being a tool and that tool being the language that let's Louis experience non linear time.

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>>78999741

>>78999741
Reminds me of Blair Witch Project when that came out. Everyone hated it and said it was dumb.

Probably didn't have enough ASPLOSIONZ and CGI for them.

>>78999837
It shows their non linear time perspective.
Costello does not say, "Abbot died", he says "Abbott is in death process". There is no past tense because Costello is viewing Abbott in the past, future, and present all at once which means he is always in the process of dying (as are we all) but he can't have died because that would assume time was linear.

>>78999663

>Prove to me that free-will exists in such a way that we can be certain that seeing the future is categorically impossible and I'll agree with you. If you don't understand why I'm asking this then you have a bad understanding of time

The way I see things is that everything is pre-determined since the big bang. The set mass that got expelled according to the rules of physics will only behave in one way, that included every single human. So in a way I was pre-determined to make this post ever since the explosion. However, time travel is an outside influence and it'd categorically destroy this parameter. If I could see my future now I'd be able to make changes with no problem because that is an outside influence on how my brain is going to process things. I'd never be able to clearly see the future though because once I start taking data from it it'd change every time I do it.

As per Star Wars, the future is always in motion. This is why I'm not a fan of closed cycle fictions when the character clearly is in a position that they have free will, in the way we experience time anyway.

>>78999837

Nevermind I got it. I didn't realize that one alien died and sacrificed himself in the explosion.

>>78999889
>Everyone hated it
Are you talking about the first Blair Witch Project? If so, you're very wrong. It was praised.

>>78995955

Yeah, with the who people liked this turd being the plebs.

>>78996953
>feel-good blockbuster flick

I had tears in my eyes at the end senpai, I didn't feel good about it

>>78999957
Everyone hated it m8 it was "UGH SHAKY CAM MADE ME SICK!" and "WOW NOT SCARY AT ALL!"

>>78995596
>and i did not because it was a lolbertarian bullshit propaganda and nothing more, the movie itself was shit

>>78996089
>>78997234

No, you are fucking retarded.
The way language structures how we conceive things is in now way comparable to gaining the skill of seeing the past and future.
That's operating way out of the limits set by our biological body, it's like learning to see UV light by learning a language without having your eyes and brain altered, completely retarded.

>>78999889
>>78999957
>>79000034

>The film received wide acclaim from critics, although audience reception was polarized and divided.

>The film's "found footage" format received near-universal praise by critics and, though not the first in the found footage device, has been declared a milestone in film history due to its critical and box office success. Roger Ebert of the Chicago Sun Times gave the film a total of 4 stars, calling it "an extraordinarily effective horror film".[38] Peter Travers of Rolling Stone praised the film, calling it "a groundbreaker in fright that reinvents scary for the new millennium"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Blair_Witch_Project#Critical_response

>>79000068
In Arrival it was used to "explore" (in the terms of mainstream blockbuster cinema) how such thesis (language shapes the way we think) would reflect when applied to directing (visual language).

It's not about the literal fact swaffen-horf hypothesis with regards to actual langauge.

Its meta narrative

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this movie was fucking shit

just spent fucking 2 hours torturing myself through this slow le2deep4u bullshit motherfucking interstellar wannabe

>>79000257
This movie was great and this comes from a person that hated Sicario, Prisoners, Enemy, Incendies.

>>78999915
>. However, time travel is an outside influence and it'd categorically destroy this parameter.
Amy Adams doesn't travel in time, she perceives the non-linear reality of it

>>79000286
Villaneeuueueueve lacks what it takes to make his otherwise great concepts into epic movies.

>>79000257

Yeah I agree. There's not enough space travel and they don't even fight the aliens. Like, what the fuck? Who wants to watch a sci-fi movie without the laser swords and blasters, and you know, actual interesting stuff?

>>79000241

At least you admit that the whole concept behind the movie was dumbed down shit for retards who then can feel like they're smart.

>>79000324
Actually that's where I disagree with Arrival. This film oozes love towards cinema, something I never sensed in his other films.

>>79000324
Why should his movies be "epic"?

>>78999900
Damn dude I instantly dismissed it as just being because of their broken english but you're right
Trips, dubs and truth all in one post

>>79000126
>Critics are normies
come on now

>>79000372
I repeat, seems to me that you hate the people who enjoyed this movie more than the movie itself.

>>78999999
>>79000000

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When do we actually get a smart slow burn scifi film?

Arrival had the elements to be amazing but it went full Nolan with the same "love transcends through time and space" emotional bullshit.
The General and the armed forces around world were typical unintelligent brutes like from a bad action film.

The whole universal language was meant to bring humans together, uncovering the secrets of the universe and acquiring technology to help the poor ayyliums but no.
Instead we got minutes worth of film about a girl who has nothing to do in the film but she is going to die in order to satisfy the emotional wells of the plebs to convince them they got something out of the film.

3.5/5 film.

>>79000415

Not even trying to defend this shitty plot and instead getting personal now I see.

>>78995596
why is the black guy's eye fixed here?

>>79000372
>At least you admit that the whole concept behind the movie was dumbed down shit for retards

I am trying to make you understand

that the idea of language shapes the way we think

was applied to visual language of cinema and more importantly to its traditional narrative

and then explored in the film as we literally see how Louise starts seeing HER NARRATIVE, and her daughter's narrative (this, is refererred to in the beginning of the film, where she says she doesn't know where her daughter's narrative starts)

It was experimental blockbuster cinema. The idea was applied to cinema and explored with how it relates to directing. It wasn't an essay where talking heads argue about the point, but where the director shows it through camera.

Not dumbed down. Different (for mainstream cinema), a meta narrative.

>>79000384
Dude cmon all his movies are autistic as fuck. Aliens just made first contact and the main character is just like lol ok. When it gets interesting with the attempts at translating they time lapse that shit and put on a narrator. That's lazy and the whole artsy thing is thrown in your face. Every one of his films has been a let down.

>>78995596
Me too la, me too

>>79000068
>it's like learning to see UV light by learning a language
Funny you should mention this
https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-story-behind-using-the-same-word-for-blue-and-green-in-Japanese
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue%E2%80%93green_distinction_in_language#Japanese

In Japan, green is seen as another shade of blue. And this has been observed to have the psychological effect such that Japanese people used to be terrible at being able to distinguish the two colours.
But as multi-culturalism has become a thing over the last few decades, there they are now much better.
But because of this, Japanese traffic lights have a blue light instead of a green light because it's the same thing to them

Now you may reply "but UV light specifically" and I'll say that non-linear time isn't something that scientific devices can see but that are senses can't detect.
Our senses can perceive time. We have no way of knowing if it's possible for them to observe time non-linearly. Probably not, but we can't know that for sure

>tldr; you're an idiot

>>79000436
It's the marketing fault that you expected this to be a movie specifically about ayylmao's and language, but those elements were just a plot device to further propell the actual narrative which is Amy Adams character relationship with life/death and appreciating every waking moment of it.

That’s why you have to watch and experience films with as little as possible preconcieved expectations of it

>>78996028
Watch it without subs, some of the subtitles (imo) give away too much and spoil the ending.
You are better off putting the pieces together.

>>78999489
It depends of the sickness though, just Google bowl girl and you'll think otherwise

>>79000509
What does your whole post has to do with a movie being epic?

I hope you are not implying that it isn't "epic" as in it's not cool enough of a movie, because that's one retarded underage argument.

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So, can she now see the future indefinitely or only for that one time for the baby?

Or she can only see the future if the aliens are around?

Could the other linguists and scientists from other 12 sites see it too?

Did they see something cooler than "Keep the baby" excerpts?

Was Abbott gay for Costello?

Or it doesn't really matter and that whole twist was for the message about life?

Well, I guess it doesn't. Love... trumps hate or something. Please don't take this the wrong way.

>>79000589
Argument appealing to emotion. No substance
Try again

>>79000524
Still doesn't mean you'll start seeing green as a shade of blue if you learn japanese you moron.

>>79000541
>and language
It's about language in the terms of how it messes up the conventional narrative structure. Both the script and directing show what happens to Louise when she "learns the language" (which could just as well be "power of cinema".

>>79000609
Just imagine she now sees the script and she can decide to half ass it or try her best playing it out. Think about the allegories with regards to film making while you think about what happens in the film.

>>79000618
My god you're stupid. It's the other way around
Japanese people immersed in western culture became better at differentiating the colours

So it's not that farfetch'd to consider that immersing herself in the aliens' non-linear language may allow her to see time non-linearly

It was great

>>79000664
>non-linear language allows you to see time non-linearly
Try to read that sentence aloud and realize how stupid the idea itself is.

>>79000589
Fuck you I thought there would be bowl movements.

>>79000705

If learning different languages on earth can cause you to think differently then it's not so crazy to say that a non linear language can cause you to start thinking in a non linear way. At the very least it's an interesting idea that is worth exploring.

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>>79000632
>Both the script and directing show what happens to Louise when she "learns the language" (which could just as well be "power of cinema".

>>79000705
FTL and time traveling police boxes are also stupid ideas, but that is not the point. They are devices that can be used to explore an idea. This film used the language device well. The process of watching the movie mirrors the experience of amy adams learning to speak heptapod. The audience for the most part learns exactly what is going on when her character does and just like adams everything suddenly clicks for the audience.

When everything clicks for the audience you come to experience what she went through as a character and in the end you understand why she decided to have the baby. The end of life, like the end of the movie, is not as important as the fun you have while watching it

>>78995596
The only good thing about the movie was this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mD7HMtIz87Q

>>79000803
Yes. It's a meta narrative about power of cinema, film making, toying with the idea of somewhat self-aware character in the script.

>>79000762
>>79000817
Yes, yes. "Exploring ideas". I bet this shit for an excuse phrase was used by someone in production and now you're holding onto it for dear life.

There are non-retarded ways of exploring ideas, and then there's using stupid nonesense for exploring ideas.

>>79000859
This how you perceive it:
>It's a meta narrative about power of cinema, film making, toying with the idea of somewhat self-aware character in the script

This is what actually happens:
>Louise: I know how everything is going to end but I'm still living through life

>>79001015
That's why it's called meta narrative and not narrative.

>>79000605
You're taking what I said literally. Disregard that if you will but I think you know what I mean.
Villawhatever's style is flawed.

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>>79000068
>T.Autist

You understand how sci-fi works right? You understand that it isn't a documentary and is using a crazy sci-fi element to illustrate a concept right?

>>79000705
>I got BTFO with proof that language can change how people think and perceive so I'm gonna change my argument to something stupid grasping at saying that my position is obviously right
ftfy

>>79001135
No, I don't think he does. It's like you said, he is an autist. They are the idiots that got upset at the film because it did not explain what happened in 3k years. Despite the fact that it was completely irrelevant in such a story that focused so tightly on the character of adams.

>>79000705
>non-linear language allows you to see time non-linearly
I provided evidence that this is theoretically possible
You haven't providence any evidence to counter that. Do so and you might have an argument
Until then you're just a butthurt idiot that's mad that he can't conceive of something he never imagined

>>78995596
I legitmately hated it. Denis makes a lifeless first contact film. Just hamfisted. Amy adams was terrible too.

Adams ignores Renner for the entire movie, then she sees the future where she is with him and suddenly LET'S MAKE A BABY ROLL THE CREDITS. Really makes my tentacles spurt ink.

>>79001352
This, plus the fact that she showed zero interest in him before her "revelation" and there was fuck all chemistry between them. Really fucking made me think.

>>79001445
ok, you made me bite, i am sure you are just pretending to be retarded. Don't you remember the scene where she tells him that you can understand language and still end up alone? That was them connecting like the two lonely geeks they are. There were actually a lot of subtle moments

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>>79001352
>>79001445

You guys need to stop thinking.

>>79001554
It surprises me when people say this. I thought it was actually a little too obvious that they were gonna end up together

>>79001445
>>79001554
t. virgins

>>79001352
>>79001445
Thinking bilaterally made her realize she was a +30 woman with no child and opt for the first male made available to her. Happens all the time.

>>79000589
She seems happy desu.
Honestly I'd rather live paralysed than die.
I could still shitpost on 4chan at least.

>>79001689
she died some weeks ago :'(

>>79002668
that's sad

>>79000068
something something tachyon interaction with neurons something

>>79003484
When was this mentioned in the movie?

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>>78999915

>>79003541
It wasn't but there's a sci-fi post rationalisation that can be applied to this specific part of a movie about aliens.

>>79003824
So what you're telling me right now is you're using shitty fanfic to try and explain plot holes.

>>79004038
I don't think you understand what a plot hole is.

>>79004078
I don't think you understand what tachyons are.

>>78997234
Holy shit you are such an idiot.

It is absolutely false that speaking a language shapes your brain. Saphir-Wolf is bullshit and has failed to predict any meaningful results. What you are attributing to magic language brain-shaping is actually just culture and education: a population that needs to differentiate between shades of blue will teach their children to do so, and language simply reflects this different cultural trait. It doesn't mean that learning spanish will magically change your brain or see suicide as something completely different, unless A) you were raised there or B) you spent so much time their culture has starting affecting how you think.

Stop spreading post-modernist bullshit.

PD: in spain we don't say "someone has completed their suicide", so whoever told you that lied.

The mental gymnastics some of you use to keep believing Arrival was good are much more entertaining than the movie itself.

>>79000556
what fucking pieces
you could sleep through half this movie and still understand whats going on if you arent completely fucking retarded

>>78995955
Meaning if you like it you're a pleb.

>>78995596
It was pretty powerful about the power of cinema. Best Villeneuve has yet done and far above trash like Prisoners, Sicario or Incendies

>>79005655
>retarted

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What I gathered from this thread.

>>79006369
p much
might as well /thread every arrival thread with this pic

>>79006369
It's a great IQ filter, if nothing else.

>>79006369
Actually low IQ people tend to be more vulnerable to depression.

>>79006664
citation needed

>>79006759
Ali, A., Ambler, G., Strydom, A., Rai, D., Cooper, C., McManus, S., Weich, S., Meltzer, H., Dein, S., & Hassiotis, A. (2012). The relationship between happiness and intelligent quotient: the contribution of socio-economic and clinical factors Psychological Medicine, 43 (06), 1303-1312 DOI: 10.1017/S0033291712002139

Braw, Y., Aviram, S., Bloch, Y., & Levkovitz, Y. (2011). The effect of age on frontal lobe related cognitive functions of unmedicated depressed patients Journal of Affective Disorders, 129 (1-3), 342-347 DOI: 10.1016/j.jad.2010.07.032

Gorlyn, M., Keilp, J., Oquendo, M., Burke, A., Sackeim, H., & John Mann, J. (2006). The WAIS-III and Major Depression: Absence of VIQ/PIQ Differences Journal of Clinical and Experimental Neuropsychology, 28 (7), 1145-1157 DOI: 10.1080/13803390500246944

Susan Jackson, P. (2003). The Journal of Secondary Gifted Education The Journal of Secondary Gifted Education DOI: 10.4219/jsge-2003-429

Kyaga, S., Lichtenstein, P., Boman, M., Hultman, C., Langstrom, N., & Landen, M. (2011). Creativity and mental disorder: family study of 300 000 people with severe mental disorder The British Journal of Psychiatry, 199 (5), 373-379 DOI: 10.1192/bjp.bp.110.085316

MacCabe, J., Lambe, M., Cnattingius, S., Sham, P., David, A., Reichenberg, A., Murray, R., & Hultman, C. (2010). Excellent school performance at age 16 and risk of adult bipolar disorder: national cohort study The British Journal of Psychiatry, 196 (2), 109-115 DOI: 10.1192/bjp.bp.108.060368

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This was Interstellar-tier garbage. I can't believe the critics actually liked this shit. New movies are so fucking bad. There's like two or three good new films every year, if that.

Pic related, some parts were so bad that I actually laughed out loud.

it was terrible

denis villeneuve is a hack, blade runner 2049 is gonna be a trainwreck

>>79006932
The abstract on the first paper was interesting.

>Those with lower IQ are less happy than those with higher IQ. Interventions that target modifiable variables such as income (e.g. through enhancing education and employment opportunities) and neurotic symptoms (e.g. through better detection of mental health problems) may improve levels of happiness in the lower IQ groups.

I would love to see one that adjusts for income. Too bad i don't have journal access with a university anymore

>>79007278
do you not know about sci-hub? i just checked and its on there

>>79007278
How do you select a low IQ group of people that is in the high income bracket? convince rappers to take part of the experiment? lmao

>>79000436
Solaris.

Different and more reliant on emotional response than the original, but it's comparatively leaps and bounds above most everything else.

>>79007409
>select a low IQ group of people that is in the high income bracket
I'm sure plenty of bimbos out there

>>79007409
There are plenty of people with an MBA that are not really that intelligent. Look at anyone working in sales.

So, uhhh... When will we see a good scifi movie made by you guys? Never? Yeah that's what i thought. It was a great movie and if you think otherwise you might want to just leave the thread instead of bringing your shit opinions to public

>>79007537
Just because sales people are not educated it does not mean they have low IQ
Intelligence =/= knowledge

Thread hijack, why is French Canada the mecca of kino? Between Villeneuve and Dolan, both white non-jews, how can the US ever recover?

>>79007599
reread exactly what I posted and think about your reply. When I said "anyone working in sales" that was a reference to the people who I mentioned in the previous sentence, people with an MBA.

I made a point to pick a group of people who not only were educated and high income but were also low intelligence.

>>78995596
It sucked turds.

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I don't know man, this film moved me deeply and brought me to tears... I don't really get the hate.

This will probably make me sound like a SJW, but I think a lot of the criticism stems from the central character being a woman. Interstellar has a male protagonist and people are much more forgiving toward it, despite it going hamfist with stuff like "Love is the only thing that can transcend time and space". Fucking really? Arrival essentially does the same thing but visually (it's a fucking movie so that should always be the prerogative) and never forces such a cringe-inducing and juvenile synthesis of the film's core idea on its audiences.

This move falls in the trope thread

>alien exists
>riots everywhere

or
>we can't reveal alien existence
>people will riot

>>79000385
I think you were right originally and that it's more clever that way.

>>78999580
wonderful post anon, he's still right though
if you know your future you DO CAN change it. this is the only flaw of this movie

I wanted more alien interaction, but they made the part I wanted to see into a montage with a voice-over instead, which is disappointing.
Also it got messy at the end.

>>79009362
>but I think a lot of the criticism stems from the central character being a woman. Interstellar has a male protagonist and people are much more forgiving toward it, despite it going hamfist with stuff like "Love is the only thing that can transcend time and space". Fucking really? Arrival essentially does the same thing
It's true. It's just that we know that women can't feel true love or compassion as paradoxically as it sounds since women are always being associated with being the emotional gender.

>>78996083
>problem is that it's a strong 7/10, i'll even accept it as a weak 8
confirmed for autism
>, but people are calling it the best sci - fi in decades, which just isn't true.
subjective opinion can or cannot be true!!!!!!!!!! I AM THE GATEKEEPER

>subtitles in that scene at the end
Basically my only flaw with the movie, outside of some of the dialogue.

>>78996083
>Also starting and ending your film with "on the nature of daylight" (the saddest and most beautiful song ever)

I thought they were playing Kanye West at first.

>>79007591
>you have to be a chef in order to critique food
Fuck off.

>>79009678
You could plaster a wall with this abomination's tropes.

>>78996107
>I thought Villeneuve didn't even care about cinema
what?

>>79012337
>only flaw
The subtitles are the least of the movie's problems. I mean, how else would you prefer them to show what Thing T. Thing is saying? By her awkwardly convey his meaning by repeating it in her dialogue? I see it as a necessary evil.

The "knowing the future" bullshit, however...

>>79012970
>The "knowing the future" bullshit, however...
Please explain why it's bullshit without claiming to have in-depth knowledge of theoretical physics such that you can confidently state what is and isn't possible

>>79009678
>>79012827
forgot link
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Film/Arrival

>>79013041
Because there's no mechanism to prevent a character (she wasn't the only one with the ability to see the future) to not cooperate with the future he's seeing, which creates a paradox.

>>79013151
Except there was, the deterministic nature of the narrative, imagine a piece of script and screenplay and if the character found it, she/he couldn't change it but had to act its way.

>People complaining that she didn't decide not to have a child after knowing it will die

She wasn't looking into the possible future, she was experiencing time in a non-linear fashion. What she saw was always going to happen. She thought she was making a conscious choice to have the child regardless of fate, but in reality it was the only choice she could make because she had already experienced it in her future.

>>79013151
>she wasn't the only one with the ability to see the future
yes she was, by the end of the film at least

>Because there's no mechanism to prevent a character to not cooperate with the future
Determinism, it's a pretty simple concept and not the point of the film.
see >>78999580

(Also semi-related, the mind-body problem. It's actually impossible to determine how the "mind"/soul interacts with the body. It's entirely possible that we only think we control our bodies, and actually just observe its actions.)

>>79013355
>yes she was, by the end of the film at least
It's implied that the chinese guy was also able to see the future, without which he'd create a paradox by showing the main character his personal number and telling her what to say to him to be able to convince him.

>>79013295
There was nothing in the movie showing that they are bound to their future, explicitly forecast by the hamfisted "if you knew your future" line.

>>79013481
>There was nothing in the movie showing that they are bound to their future, explicitly
What is the script of the film.

>>79013541
Where in the script is it shown that they are bound to their future?

If you say in the script itself, I'll just call you a fucking retard, mind you.

>>79013838
>If you say in the script itself, I'll just call you a fucking retard, mind you.
Are you perhaps, a low ability individual? The narrative and story of the characters is determined in the script; they have no way of changing this, it's referred to in the beginning and ending of the film when she refers to her kid's STORY. This film features an actual meta narrative and you are just too fucking stupid to understand it with regards to storytelling.

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>>79000068
congratulations you found the FICTION part of the scifi. It's meant to drive home that our language literally shapes how we think and what we are ABLE to conceive of.

I highly recommend you read ON THE ORIGIN OF CONSCIOUSNESS IN THE BREAKDOWN OF THE BICAMERAL MIND for more insight into how new types of thought are enabled by different tiers of metaphorical complexity in language.

>>79010592
>we know that women can't feel true love or compassion
gotta souce on that?

>>79013481
>It's implied that the chinese guy was also able to see the future,
He literally says to her "I have no idea how your mind works or how you do what you do but..." which pretty explicitly means he can't see time in the same non-linear manner (though through exposure and immersion in the language, he probably had an idea of what it was like)

> without which he'd create a paradox by showing the main character his personal number and telling her what to say to him to be able to convince him
again, he tells her that it already happened and doesn't understand how it works but has "a feeling" that it might help
Did you pay attention when watching or were you aggressively shitposting in the background at the same time?

>>79000257
t. loved independence day resurgence

>>78996093
>If you like Villneuve's style
Maybe that's my problem. Sicario was a competent movie but I for the life of me couldn't understand why critics loved. Same with Arrival. It's all right but I can't say I enjoyed it that much. Maybe it because I've read the short story a couple of years ago.

>>78996110
I'd go with Inception.

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>Abbot, how shall we contact the earth aliens?
>I know Costello, let's send 12 giant brazil nuts to land on their planet and do nothing for days on end, that will surely work
>Good idea Abbot
This movie is death process

>>78997121
>It was a good story base, but I wish there was more plot elements. Felt like a one hour Outer Limits episode stretched over a full movie.

Which makes sense because it's based on a short story. Now that I think about it the weakest parts of the script (political angle, the bomb, phoning the general) are the ones that wasn't in the original story.

>>78997121
>One flaw is the terrible cgi of the actors in some scenes. Quit being lazy and do some practical effects.
what?

>>79001662
It's in the story the movie is based on. It doesn't come out of the left field like in the movie thought.

>>78996043
>implying Interstellar was bad

>>78997481
>>78997818
We saw scenes between her and her daughter, but nothing emphasizing their relationship. Her choosing to have her daughter would've been better if we had seen how much she loved her daughter.

>>78999737
Tom and Jerry would've been a better name.

>>79000374
>This film oozes love towards cinema
what the fuck does that even mean?

>>79000541
>those elements were just a plot device to further propell the actual narrative which is Amy Adams character relationship with life/death and appreciating every waking moment of it.
the actual narrative wasn't done well either though.

>>78996043
The people who claim to "get it" are winning gold at the mental gymnastics to justify the film's illogicalities and paradoxes.

>>79001599
It was obvious, but it wasn't well developed.

>>79006074
>It was pretty powerful about the power of cinema.
STOP SAYING THIS.

>chinese general guy "has a feeling" that he needs to tell her all that stuff
>I wasn't surprised by the aliens, I was surprised by meeting you

Paradoxes, plotholes, cheesy dialogue and terrible character interactions. Visuals were all right. 6/10

>>79016779
More like 3.5/10

>>79016779
>"has a feeling" that he needs to tell her all that stuff

You're retarded dude.

>>79013041
>learn an alien language that is characterized has being "non-linear"
>this somehow allows your neurons to recieve information from the future and past all at once

Its not physically possible

>>79017669
>using the words "physically impossible" in a sci-fi movie
just stop

>>79017823
>film postures itself as being grounded sci-fi
>shits itself later when its well-read ideas don't end up connecting logically

Alright

>>78997749
>travesty

so what was the gift?