the expanse

I haven't seen episode 5 yet. Is it good as the earlier episodes?

I fear that the Expanse, like other Syfy shows, runs the risk of taking a decent premise and crashing and burning in a pile of shit.

>>64588802

I think it's getting even better. The pacing is great in episode 5.

>>64588844
I can't deal with the fucking ending. When is next episode?

>>64588736
>dat mormon temple on top.

not watched episode 5 yet. Perhaps that what i will do.

Really liked 5, makes me wish they'd again released a batch of 4 episodes.

>>64588802
Reading the book right now. It actually gets better and better. If they managed to make the first few episodes good I can't see how they would screw up the next ones.

>>64590423
well they somewhat messed up 1 and 2, which is a shame, but luckily they got back on track with 3 through 5.

I somewhat wish they'd done a better job with the initial episodes as this will most likely turn people off and scifi television as a whole could really use something good right now.

>>64590528
How exactly did they mess up those episodes? I thought they were very good, exceedingly better than most of the shit we're getting on TV.

>>64590528
Yeah they were bad but the source material is also shit early

>>64591033
true

>>64588736
Just watched episode 5.

Actually nice little bottle episode to save cash after spending a ton for 3 and 4. They did Anderson station nicely and it going to be curious on how they move some of the plot forward.

That said, they did a lot of name dropping for Eros

Also

they have 4 episodes to do Eros, Troth station, the dead space, Getting the Rocinante refitted, and finding Mao (Twice) Curious how they are going to make it work.

>>64592706
Maybe they'll split Leviathan Wakes into two series? That would give them plenty of space to do the Eros stuff.

>>64592874
That would be cool, but what would be the final for season 1?

>>64593011
Maybe they have the finale where Miller and Holden first meet, and then show Julie after the protomolecule got her, and then next season kicks in with the main Eros incident?

>>64593011
I think finale will be the escape from Eros

>>64593114
True, and that would make more sense pace wise.

episode 6 - Rocinante crew deal with fred, Miller gets OPAed
Episode 7 - miller gets fired for following Julie instead of getting the near cop killer , Crew looks for the Anubis
Episode 8 - Annubis, earth stuff
Episode 9 - Rocinante heads to Eros, Miller heads to Eros to follow julie case.
Episode 10 - Holden miller meet, Earth Mars goes to war, last scene is Julie going into the shower with the protomolecule growths

>>64593248
I don't know if they'll be able to do justice to Eros in the space they have available. I think we still have about an episode before Miller leaves Ceres. The escape from Eros will be at least an episode, and finding Julie on Eros will probably be an episode or so. If we have four episodes left, that doesn't leave much room.

>>64593365
I think this is the way it goes. No Earth/Mars in episode 5 as well, so probably saving that drama for later

oh, is this the series based on those books about the vomit zombies

I stopped reading when I got to the vomit zombies

>>64593403
Think it might be in the end of the next episode to remind folds of the issues. Can't wait to see Earth Pearl Harbor Mars

>>64593517
spoilers anon...spoilers

>>64593559
folks*

>>64593517
I'm actually really looking forward to seeing how they handle that section, should be interesting to see. The effects from episode one looked pretty good, although we didn't get a good look at them,
so I'm hopeful.

Someone tell me what the premise is, I like spaceship but SyFy shows usually suck cock.

>>64593793
Just watch the first episode, trust me anon.

>>64593605
>>64593715
I really was not impressed. I mean, really, fucking zombies? That's the best they could come up with? Of all the amazing things you can do in science fiction, they go with zombies.

>>64593855
Technically not zombies. You should have kept reading. They're just described as zombies because that's easier than saying "protomolecule infested vectors of infection" every time you want to talk about them

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>>64588736
>REMEMBER THE ROCINANTE edition
Are they gonna blow that up too?

>>64593855
If you read past that you would of found out it really is a alien biological computer seeking biomass

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Who /splash/ here?

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>>64592874
>Maybe they'll split Leviathan Wakes into two series?
It's going to be a season and a half for LW apparently.

>>64593793
Humans are to the stars, but no aliens and just in the solar system.

Humanity divided between Earth, Mars, and belters.

Physics are real, and while they have very efficient powerplants, everything is well below light speed.

Two main plot lines.
a detective searching for a "Poor little rich girl" name Julie
and the crew of the "Cant" a ice hauler
first two episodes are okay, episodes 3 is good, 4 is great, and 5 is very good.

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>>64594055
a lot of the cute ones are dead.

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>>64588736
So when I read the book, I was left wondering about the Mormon generation ship.

they give some general dimensions and indicate it's shaped like a cylinder and is hollow (like Rama or B5), and we can assume it's steel or something similar. So we can get a rough estimate on its mass.
We know it's being built in orbit in the belt. So we have a rough idea of its starting orbital velocity and position.

we know Eros is floating towards Earth from the belt (similar starting speed, direction and orbital distance from sun as the Mormon ship)

we know the plan is to crash the Mormon ship into Eros, so that Eros falls into the sun. Accomplishing this requires that Eros' orbital velocity become zero, or close enough

We know the mass or Eros and we can estimate its orbital velocity. and we have an estimated mass for the ship.

knowing these things how fast does the Mormon shop need to be traveling when it impacts Eros in order to reduce Eros' orbital velocity to zero?

While it doesn't really change the answer, it's worth noting that both Eros and the Mormon ship start from similar orbits. So the ship will need to "get ahead" of Eros (if it's not already.), turn around (relative to its original direction of orbit), then accelerate up to the necessary speed.

>>64593942
Wait and see they have bigger stuff to ruin

>>64594183
MCRN a shit, you know this to be true.

>>64594106
That sounds about right, that gives us half a season for the intro to Caliban's War, which will be good.

Can anyone stop Fred "The Butcher" Johnson?

>>64593942
THAT is miller? jesus why does he look like such a doofus?

>>64594226
Eros has a mass of 6.687±0.003)×10^15 kg
its ave orbital speed is 24.36 km/s

Time to get a calculator.

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>>64594183
She looks a bit like Miller's ex from that angle. Long lost sister maybe?

>>64594304
Miller is the one with his head covered.

>>64594272
>MCRN a shit, you know this to be true.
True. Still have a soft spot for them.

>>64594226
>Accomplishing this requires that Eros' orbital velocity become zero, or close enough

To be honest, I think the whole "Smash it with the generation ship was meant to be absolutely the last ditch effort. I don't think they were really expecting it to work well enough to crash the rock into the sun, rather just make sure it didn't hit Earth. Also, there was all the explosives the OPA planted that would have given it an extra kick.

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>>64594304
Well he's got a bag over his head for starters...
Also he's got a gun he's not using. It's balloonman all over again, I tells you.

>>64594344
Think that both actresses are of African and European mixture

- That said, the belter whore is doing a good job with what is a very typecast and limited role.

>>64594338
Okay so that means that for Eros to stop, the Mormon ship + the explosives must hit it with 1.984x10^22 J of force.

>>64594477
>Force
Energy, I'm a retard, my bad

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>>64594516
It's newtons for force innit? (Long time since I was in school)

>>64594516
Average density of steel is about 8 tons per metre cubed. If we assume that the Mormon ship is slightly less than completely solid steel, say about 7 tons per metre average, and that it's approximately cylindrical, the Mass will be

M=4pir^2h(ro)

Expanse wiki says that the Nauvoo was "shaped as a cylinder, just over two kilometers long and half a kilometer wide."

So the mass is about 4.40x10^10kg

To change Eros by one m/s you need 6,687,000,000,000,000 Newtons of force, or to put it in minds of us mortals.

to change Eros speed by 1 km/s and you had a saturn 5 first stage magic fuel it would take 193,826,086 seconds.

6.1 years.

I think the idea was to blow it up.

>>64594667
To reduce Eros' velocity to zero alone, the Nauvoo would have to travel at a relative speed of 949.6km/s.... I think

>>64594477
>>64594667
If 4.40x10^10kg hit 6.687×10^15 kg mass at any speed, it would be enough energy to eliminate both mega structures IMO.

of course, since eros was mined out it might be a lot lighter

>>64594920
That's a good point, we haven't accounted for Eros being more hollow than not.

>>64594382
In the book, the plan is explicitly stated to knock Eros into the sun in order to avoid contamination of the solar system

Maybe they change that in the show. It would make it slightly more realistic.

>>64594948
>6.687±0.003)×10^15
if it 80% mined out (perhaps more mined out then back weight due to the added station material it is

1,337,400,000,000,000 kg
70% is
2,006,100,000,000,000 kg

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>>64594344
Why is she so cute?

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>>64595133
True, if they wanted to put it into the sun. it would make more sense to dock the navoo on the station and then start to push.

it would take ages to fall into the sun

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>>64595193
qt low grave looks.

>>64595133
The collision would destroy both of the objects anyway, there isn't really a question of that. But I think it could actually work out, Especially if most of the mass of Eros was mined out. If the huge bombs that were put on the planet were about as powerful as the most powerful nuke ever detonated, that's about 2x10^15 J, then if we say that maybe 1/4 of Eros' mass is left then it would take 4.96x10^21 J to stop it, which means that the Nauvoo would have to hit at about 474.8 km/s... Yeah, I don't see this working actually

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Before someone asks who the other living qt is. julie is still most likely alive at this point. Though in a bad shape.

>>64594226
>and we can assume it's steel or something similar
Why? It would be much more feasible if it was made mainly of carbon structures.

>>64595324
If the Nauvoo could sustain even 10g acceleration then that would only take about uh... 80 minutes to reach that speed. That doesn't sound right though.

>>64595435
True, but it's simpler to assume that it's steel because that's something easy to think in terms of. This is physics after all, did you expect something not based on assumptions, guesses and estimates?

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>>64595456
Unmanned some of these drives in the book might be able to do that. After all, they can burn at say.3 g from Jupiter to mars the entire trip without issue, and also can go very fast if need be.

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>>64588736
who /mcrn/ here?

>>64595624
I like them

they are going to get fucked though

>>64595607
Nah, fair enough.

>>64595616
Yeah, and we know the Nauvoo was designed to tolerate hundreds of years burning at 1g, even that would only take 13 hours to reach the needed impact speed. Of course, getting it into position to make that run would take longer, and the fuel would mess up the mass calculations, and the mass would constantly change during the burn... but whatever, who cares about all that.

>>64595456
The Epstein drives can do that with ease, they just don't because it happens to kill the crew. The Nauvoo wouldn't have that issue.

>>64595716
I think a impact would of done enough damage that any remaining portion the UNN or the MCRN could clean it up like what happens to Phoebe in the books

>>64595857
I fucked up senpai

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>>64595836
>yfw one guy screws up the spoilers

>>64594106
>The Butcher ain't in me no mo
>none of it
what did he mean by this?

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>>64595877
No worries anon.

I still need to finish book 2

>>64595954
He had the Butcher surgically removed.

>>64595904
It's gone already.

What I said was that none of this matters anyway since alien technology bullshit will just make it miss so Miller can go meet his waifu and let the OPA steal the mormon's shit.

>>64595954
you see, the butcher is a implant, that UNN impants when they need their troop to slaughter belters. he had it removed. Guy with a OPA tat told me this.

Is this /tv or /sci? All this formula and assumption crap is way beyond this boards abilities I'm afraid.

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>>64595996
poor mormons, always getting fucked over.

>>64596050
Seems legit, good source, reliable evidence

I hate looking at spoilers

And it's not just that I hated getting spoiled

I just wanted 10 seasons of Holden Fireflying up the place, unraveling a government conspiracy while Miller goes around being Space Vic Mackey/Harvey Bullock

>>64588736
Holy shit, just noticed the fucking moron temple / church at the top of the ship, kek.

Why do mormons even still exist in this universe, you would think with space travel most people would become irreligious at the very least.

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>>64596083
Just /tv/ that knows basic math.

>>64596154
Did you notice that right now there are people using iPhones and DSLRs to share their beheading videos on Facebook?

Like, contemplate every element of that question for a moment.

>>64596154
What if space travel makes people become more religious?

>>64596230
Just different kinds of people, some become less superstitious, some crank it up all the way.

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>>64596154
okay, I am a mormon - and I am not going to go into a lot of detail but Mormon faith would have no issues with space travel, aliens, or so on. After all, to be really blunt, we think god is a physical being who was born and perfected in a place that was not earth.

Also, we have lots and lots of children as a general rule, and not afraid of technology. Would not shock me if a early moon or Mars base will have navoo, Nephi, Manti, or some other mormon name to it.

>>64588802
Episode 5 is pretty good, I didnt really like this show from Episode 1/2, was kind of meh, and had alot of problems with mumbly dialogue, but it seems like its getting better after the CQB episode.

>>64596444
Checked

I think 1/2 set up the world really well, but didn't really do too much story other than the prologue.

>this show will never get HBO level budget

shame

>>64596497
Does it need that much budget? It's working really well with what it has now.

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>>64596444
>mumbly dialogue
I downloaded the subs because I couldn't understand the Belter language and it was no help because every Belter scene displayed like "hyaahgara mata neefebd"

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always liked this - compare the size of the three largest asteroids in the belt.

>>64596573
>expecting stupid Belters to be able to talk

>>64596573
I don't understand the belter cant, but I think that might be the point.

>>64596600
Tycho spun up Eros which would've been a bitch due to the odd shape, but then decided to shove their balls in everyones faces and spun up something significantly larger.

>>64596493
kind of agree, I dont have a huge problem with the episodes aside from the dialogue making it frustrating to follow some of the conversations, when you're setting up your world making part of the dialogue hard to understand is kind of a cardinal sin though.

It annoyed me.

3-5 are pretty solid episodes though, I enjoy alot of the characters, especially the space cop dude who seems disillusioned and corrupt, but guilty about it, and black QT and her chief tyrol-ish bro who has her back on the Rocinante, etc. Might be a cool series, possibly better than battlestar since it doesnt have all the stupid quasi-religious crap that made parts of battlestar awkward and goofy.

>>64596600
My bad, Eros is the 2nd largest Near earth asteroid, not the third largest in the belt.

>>64596723
I think it was important to show Belter cant, even though it made some points muddy. On the other hand, I've read the books so I knew pretty much everything they were saying anyway.

>>64596600
Thank you based Dawn for these glorious images

>>64596784
Its not even the belter's language, characters who spoke in clear english often mumbled their dialogue and made it unintelligible.

Im actually not having too much trouble with the belter talk (as long as its loud enough to hear). As long as youre paying attention you can get the general gist of what they are saying, even if they are using words in some goofy ass way they made up.

>>64596806
indeed - fun fact - it would be cheaper to ship material (say, water) from Ceres to the moon then the earth to the moon.

>>64596862
>Cheaper
Belter propoganda, it is extremely difficult to get resources to Ceres. The UN even said so.

>>64596862
But this series basically operates off of a magical propulsion technology that is much less magical than warp/hyperdrive yet is still completely magical, right?

>>64596862
Of course, shipping stuff out of the Earth's gravity well would be far more difficult than dropping stuff down the Sun's gravity well.

>>64596784
>I knew pretty much everything they were saying anyway.

dirty stinkin belter

>>64596925
It's only magical in that it's insanely efficient.

>>64596925
Even with modern rockets the deltaV is less to go from Ceres to the moon then Earth to the Moon.

DeltaV = Cost

The series includes the drive that makes space travel exponentially less expensive and more efficient. It doesn't break physics, but it beyond our abilities.

>So, if you were in the expanse universe? were you would want to be?

Me , ideal place would be Mars.

but with my luck I would be a casino worker on Eros

>>64597049
Earth of course. Filthy outworlders, I'll stick with my OCEANS.

>>64597100
Oceans of filth

>>64597143
Even the filthiest ocean is better than Belters.

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>>64597049
Is there a name for a fetish for skinny/spindly/gangly women

Because that's why I would head for the Belt

>>64597100
>>64597202
Enjoy your overpopulated earth filled with indians :^)

>>64597223
Enjoy literal sticks who can't hold their own weight.

>>64597229
Enjoy dying of dehydration huddled in those rocks you call home :^)

>>64597272
>be earther
>be a leech on basic
>have nothing to do but shitpost

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>>64597223
its a type of Morphophilia.

>>64597202
>>64597100
Remember to tell your plant folks to poo in the loo. I will be off building a new mars.

>>64597351

she looks like she could actually die from ice water

>>64597440
Surprised she doing so well in 1g desu

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>>64597351
>the way her knees point at each other at the end

Where are my collectible toys, syfy?

>not wanting to be part of a independent mining crew working on contracts barely making money in space equivalent to sailing the ocean in the 1400s

>>64597555
Output wouldn't be able to compete with big companies

>>64588802
the plot is good
the scifi is great
the acting is bad
(the detective is good though, he makes a half crazy obssesed maniac belter impression nicely)

>>64594106
can someone explain what is he doing in this scene?

is he like gonna go search for gooddies into the debree or why is he even holding a weapon?

>>64597647
Just farted in his suit real bad

>>64597647
They don't call him "The Butcher" for nothing

>>64597647

I assumed her blew up the space station with his sniper rifle.

>>64597647
It was to show he was in command. After spending so much on episode 4 they had to scale back 5 to a near bottle episode. it was cheaper to do that then to build a quick bridge set to show he was in command.

>>64597699
don"t get me wrong i though it was cool af

but that planck off the ship gave it some dirty ol" pirate feel

space blackbeard

>>64597803
well he is one of the most despised people in the system in some quarters. Think Sherman in the south and all that.

>>64590037
>implying they're not going to do that every episode
i want to get off mr bones wild ride but it's too good

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The scene where the detectives explains the conspiracy to his female officer friend was a highlight for me. The guy give just the impression of being a half mad half belter obsessed with a case

>>64597831
I haven't read the books, but why is it that he's in charge of the OPA then? Wouldn't belters despise him because of what he did to those miners? I mean, especially since the OPA wants Earth to give the belt its fair share of what they export, their values line up with what those miners were striking over.

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>mfw you guys are using spoilers

>>64597002
>It doesn't break physics
works on magic bro
I'm OK with that as long as they keep it consistent.

>>64596573
David Jones is supposed to be sliced in half man

what languages is the belter cant use

the only ones i could recognize were french, creole, and fucked up english with a creole accent

>>64597910
Hes probably the best part of the series right now

Also notice how he knows where the guy who wrecked his partner is but first he goes and talks to the guy who had the fight with julia in the hangar

>>64597481
kek

>>64598049
>creole
Wikipedia tells me that creole is the term for all simplified/mixed languages that have grown into a language, Which one did you mean?

From the books a while back I had the impression of spanish and german words in the belter language.

>>64598012
>works on magic bro
>I'm OK with that as long as they keep it consistent.
Indeed - it doesn't break physics in the sense that it not in the range of impossible, it just that the engines are much more efficient then we know how to build them, but work under calculations.

later there is something that is more magical, and it almost breaks the minds of all witnessing it

>>64597913
Fred resigned from the marines after killing all the folks at anderson, and went underground. he used his contacts with the UNN and those he met with belters to peacefully solve worker issues in the belt, and the became a hero after years when belters realized he had a road to Damascus moment and was now fighting for them.

>>64598172
french creole

>>64598049
Lots of english, with German, french, and some spanish.

after all, you must Kennst that Kowlmang. Might be Ji-ral of exiting a Ido sans-suit, or Pashang a Na khorocho whore to spin. But Tenye wa yitim gut.

>>64597937
indeed, it is nice that everyone using it.

>>64598376
belters should all be gassed simply for speaking like that

someone should drop an asteroid on them all

>>64598478
>drop
>in space

senpai...

>yfw the US has started space propaganda to gain support for a mission to Mars
feels good man

>>64598514
you know perfectly well what i mean buddy

depending on your frame of reference the word drop is still correct

>>64598049
http://expanse.wikia.com/wiki/Belter_Creole

>>64598551
I hope the Chinese do that 2020s moon landing because that will really get everybody back in the kind of grand dick measuring contests that change the course of history

>>64598514
Aren't they in/on Ceres? The term still applies.

>earth has 31 billion people
>mars has 9 billion
Cities must be huge.

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>>64597803
HERE WE ARE NOW
ENTERTAIN US

>>64598478
Xetamang tili du xeta Sabe, Inyalowda need to worry about rocks on there houses, rocks are our houses. Dangsin-eun junbiga, Ke?

>>64598650
Wait that Mars number seems waay too high for a planet that's still not actually terraformed.

>>64598650
People on Earth live in shitty cubes because there's no room.
People on Mars live in underground cities because of the radiation risk on the surface.

>>64598760
>People on Earth live in shitty cubes because there's no room.
That's kind of horseshit
There is plenty of room for hundreds of billions on Earth. The problem is resources, not space.

>>64598650
could you imagine how fucking crowded both of them would be. Would almost hope for a plague to lower the population at that point.

>>64598760
wouldn't earth have super cities that grow vertically and underground to make more room

earth has shittons of room, the problem is allocating it efficiently and powering/feeding everybody

>>64598752
same, I would think it would be say, 100 million at most.

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>>64598797
This rule still probably applies, though

>>64598706
kill yourself belter scum

>>64598797
They live in shitty cubes because that is all they can afford, half the population is on "basic" a kind of living wage so they get even shittier cubes. Also what land is outside of cities they have is probably intended for farmland to feed everyone. Plus the reduced amount of land available due to sea level rise.

So yeah, no fucking room.

>ywn hang out with these guys
Why live?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CkM7TsUFFc

>>64598850
aye,

On a unrelated note, glad Shawn Doyle got some work on the series (Sadavir Errinwright) He never been giving a huge role that I know of but he does well with what they give him.

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>>64598752
It's the number I pulled off of syfy's site. http://www.syfy.com/theexpanse/enterthefuture/inside/mars/description

>>64598939
Kowlmang, Copain.

>>64588736
how closely does this tv show follow the novel?

>>64599090
if six million are living in ceres, I guess 9 billion on mars isn't that crazy. Just figured it would be more empty.

>>64599199
If Earth is at 30 billion you can bet your ass there would've been a shitload of migration.

>>64599199
Yeah, it seems like an absurdly oversized artificial environment.

That guy who kept crying that he wanted an ocean so bad, they could just arrange to have everybody piss at the same time and he'd have one.

>>64599174
So far, very close

2nd episode is mostly stuff not in the novel. Havelock plotline is not the same, and thus Miller plotline so far is not the same. The refrence to the slumlord who doesn't change his filters is not the same as well.

>>64598752
Nah, people breed like rabbits, and they could easily build enough self-sufficient biospheres on its surface in order to maintain such a large population. I mean, Mars is completely barren, there are no oceans and not many geological formations that would prevent or hinder the construction of large structures.

" I worry about people who throw rocks."

I spit out my fucking drink, to be honest.

>>64599247
No wonder the Mormons want to build a generation ship...

Surprised mercury is not a settled place as well...

>>64599347

I recall there being a science outpost there, but why would you want a settlement anyway, there's nothing to mine or grow.

>>64599333
That's kind of a metaphor.
Rocks = asteroids
Get it now?

It is believed that Phoebe was intended as a weapon, created by extra-terrestrials around two billion years in the past, and launched at a trajectory towards the Earth.

why would aliens want to cleanse earth of life 2 billion years ago. 2 billion years ago earth only had cyanobacteria.

>>64599394
A: There's probably something worth mining
2: In this setting any rock you can jam more people on seems valuable

>>64599347
It's doable with the tech they have, but I don't think it would add to the story much. Plus, why go there? Peoples needs for energy seem to be met nicely by fusion, no need to make solar farms to beam back just yet.
>>64599418
Easier to mine from asteroids.

>>64599412
>mfw i read the first 3 words of the first spoiler without realizing it was a spoiler
goddammit i need to close this thread

>>64596154
>Why do mormons even still exist in this universe, you would think with space travel most people would become irreligious at the very least.

Mormons and Islam are one of the most space friendly religions. Both strongly accept existence of life on another planets.

>>64599476
Mars is red

>>64599394
Plenty of sunlight to harvest for food production has a magnetosphere so your going to be more radiation protected, and would have stuff to mine.

>>64599495
thanks akmed smith!

>>64588736
Did the Intro in the First Episode imply that the Polar Ice Caps melted and raised the water level?

Because I noticed that the Statue of Liberty is behind a wall of sorts.

the entire purpose of the protomolecule is to convert itself into a giant wormhole leading to a hub of other giant wormholes

wut

are the books finished because that is absolutely retarded, those aliens must have been smoking space crack

>>64599412
I don't think it was an offensive weapon at all. The protomolecule was designed to turn biomass into stargates to help it's users find inhabitable worlds, but it's users may not have even understood that other worlds could harbor sentient life.

In fact if they had burned all the algae off our surface and then set up camp one could hardly make any moral objections to their actions if you couldn't see the future. I think their entire travel system depended on sending out protomolecule probes at sublight speeds to build new gates so they could then travel to them later.

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Is this guy supposed to be Neil deGrasse Tyson's evil twin?

>>64599397

I spat out my drink because Nemesis Games

>>64599516
The magnetosphere and light is irrelevant, you wouldn't be on the surface anyway due to the heat unless you put your city on planet-spanning tracks it moves along. You'd go there to farm power and beam it further out system.

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>>64599552
>A frontier faith that believes in space gods will not go to space...

>>64599347
>Surprised mercury is not a settled place as well...
You thought the radiation on Mars was bad...

>>64599571

Its mentioned that climate change reached the crisis point, shit got fucked, but we adapted and overcame. I think that's why the old nations are largely irrelevant.

>>64599630
Webm of the dude melting in the first scene of the pilot pls

>>64588736
Damn it, I forgot about Ep5. I'm in the middle of a Columbo episode. Will watch once that is done.

>>64599587
how does an intelligent species not realize that blindly sending out a biological agent that converts biomass into wormholes MIGHT JUST POSSIBLY wreck someone else's day? even considering the distances and chances of encountering another sentient race (extremely low) it is still HIGHLY unethical to use such a method.

they could have at least encoded a "this is how you turn this shit off" in the chemical structure or something.

>>64599708
Maybe they don't give a shit

>>64599603
Magnetosphere is not totally irreverent, as it strong enough to keep solar wind off the planet.

Also you ignore the opportunities to use the strong sunlight vie piping to produce huge vats of algae to feed farming vie greenhouse, aquaculture, or mycoprotein production.

>>64599724
goddamn xenos

all xenos and belters should gassed ASAP

>>64599708

We know nothing of the Protomolecule Masters or their intentions other than they transcended what we know of physics and then something wiped them from the face of the universe, leaving all their cool, dangerous, incomprehensible shit behind.

>>64599755
Why bother doing that at Mercury when you can just farm at other places?

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>>64599685
this?

>>64599788
considering how retarded the protomolecule is some faggot probably dropped one in the lab and their entire race got turned into wormholes

>>64599808
Lots of rock to live on and a lot of light to process.

aren't there supposed to be aliens in the later books?

no i havent read the books

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>>64599708
Ever hear of a paperclip maximizer? Maybe some dipshit alien scientist created the protomolecule to make a Von Neumann probe concept and the instant he turned it on it murdered his entire planet and then shot itself off in a million different directions.

I just read "Drive" and it would be thematically similar to Solomon Epstein's fuck-up

>>64599859

Just the shit they left behind. If any are still alive they are still behind the curtain. The antagonists are and remain human.

>>64599850
Sure there's space and light, but why bother going all the way to Mercury? If you want food you can make habitats closer to existing population centers rather than having to ship stuff back and forth constantly. Mercury has a bit of water but not much, you'd still need to bring in a lot to keep farms running.

>>64588802
It was great.

>>64599833
>>64599882
Stop typing faster and more concisely than me REEEEEE

>>64599915
Ceres is full, earth and moon are full, Mars is full, and beyond Ceres there not much light.

were else would you expand?

I kinda doubt the protomolecule itself did them in. Wouldn't PM Miller have just said that during Cibola Burn? It seemed like the molecule gave that entity pretty free reign to explain shit to Holden.

>>64600030
Maybe it's gotten smarter since it started eating human brains

>>64600018
Fusion power is still "50 years away" in the future? Either way you could use geothermal power on places like Io.

>>64600064

And again, if it ate the physics gods who created it, what could human minds possibly give it?

>>64600103
Empathy?

>>64600219
Not bad.

how well are the books written compared to something like the hyperion cantos?

the premise is interesting but i need to know if the prose is good

>>64600259

Its perfectly readable, I ate the first book in about two days and read the rest that were out subsequently. Direct comparison of prose is a ridiculous way to talk about fiction, especially genre pieces.

>>64600073
I was looking at deltaV of travel and so on. But no worries, just seems like someone would of settled it with a million people by now.

>>64600018
The absolute shitload of asteroids in the belt and the outer planets. Also aerostats on Venus but that failed horrendously. Mercury is viable, but there are easier places to go first rather than a lone sunbaked planet that's deep in the Suns gravity well. Epstein drives are good, but 1g acceleration limits for long-term trips mean Mercury is a long way away in terms of time. The outer planets can at least support themselves with water and solar mirrors.
>>64600073
They have fusion power, their engines are a type of fusion engine as well.
>>64600219
The molecule is a machine, it doesn't think or feel even if parts that it built itself from once did. It just does the things that are programmed into it.

>>64600318
i just meant the overall level of quality, cohesiveness and attention to detail m8

the cantos is a completely different style of prose obviously but the broad strokes can be compared

>>64600400
Ah, ok then. I've been to /lit/ before so you understand my response. The attention to detail is great, probably the best part. They really try to stay plausible with the physics which is pretty cool. They're good books, Id say the first is a bit light on characterization but that improves later on.

ON MY SHIP, THE ROCINANTE
WHEELING THROUGH THE GALAXY
HEADING FOR THE HEART OF CYGNUS
HEADLONG INTO MYSTERY

TERRORISTS!!!

>>64600442
alright thanks, i'll give it a shot

So what the fuck is the deal with Miller's terrible hair?

>>64600986
Isn't he divorced?

>>64600986

It's an affectation that he thinks makes him cool.

But just like his hat, it makes him look like a douche.

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>>64601048
Fuck, that got me good

>>64596338
>implying your church would let loose all that cash it's been hoarding for generations on anything actually useful

Fuck off, cultist. The only difference between the LDS and Scientology is that Joseph Smith wasn't a ginger.

>>64599347
What, the less than 5% of Mercury that MIGHT be liveable only because direct sunlight doesn't hit it?

Sad that it's a better option than literally all of Venus.

>>64588802
I didn't care for it, seemed like it went no where and did a lot of exposition. Also I'm not keen on flashbacks which took up a good chunk of the episode.

>>64599589
no
he's space cutty

>>64601463
also you can live underground

>>64599755
>magnetosphere is strong!
>put settlement on sun facing side
>first flare everyone dies
Still probably a good idea to stick to the dark side, and tracks might not help either since the temp extremes would be hard on whatever material

>>64602272
Yes, because it's so easy to magically live underground without first having to live overground in a death zone.

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Imagine being a colonist in the Oort Cloud.

>>64600018
floating venus habitats when?

>>64602553
>Space probes have yet to reach the area of the Oort cloud. Voyager 1, the fastest and farthest of the interplanetary space probes currently exiting the Solar System, will reach the Oort cloud in about 300 years and would take about 30,000 years to pass through it.

>>64602602
They'd never be worth the expense. Venus is literally Hell.

>>64602757
>Venus is literally Hell
That's on the surface level, but higher atmospheric levels would in principle be inhabitable
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonization_of_Venus#Aerostat_habitats_and_floating_cities

>>64602385
There isn't a dark side.

>>64602913
But for what? A useless floating habitat that can't exploit what's on the surface is like digging an oubliette you dump money into and get nothing back from.

>>64602602
They have been tried in the series, they failed.

>>64602518
>Ships can fly all around the solar system
>9 billion people now live on mars
>100s of millions on Ceres
>There no such thing as robots to start the digging for you so you just fly your ship into your underground hanger and start to expand it on a rocky planet.

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>>64597566
>twn have space sex
Why live

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>>64600468

Came here to post this.

>>64603264
>when you accidentally float into your own creampie

>>64602385
It called living underground.

Or living the poles that are actually below zero. If you can settle on the moon you could settle on Mercury. The DeltaV is less then then Jupiter, and you don't have to deal with Jupiter massive radiation belts.

>>64603092
It offers a suitable place to live without the need of complex habitats, since Venus' gravity is Earth-like and conditions in the upper atmosphere are life-friendly.
And who said that automatized machinery (and even people with special suits) couldn't exploit resources in and under the Venusian surface?

>>64603481
Well in the book series (Setting spoilers) there was a attempt to settle Venus, it failed, and now is in legal hell between factions who do not want to invest till it settled.

Now, MAJOR book spoilers

Eros is flown into Venus to prevent earth destruction from a alien replicating substance. It now alien machines

alright fuck it gonna buy all the books tommorow

>>64602757
so is mars, venus at least has standard temp/pressure high in its atmosphere, and breathable air is a lifting gas at that height to boot.

>>64603080
Yes, there is, its the side away from the sun at any time. Like some anon said you'd have to put tracks around the surface to stay there