Name one good thing about the prequels

Sheev
Clone Troopers

my wife's son loves them

>>64486572
They made some fun video games.

mace windu

>>64486572
everything

The music

the soundtrack

possibly better than the OT

>>64486572
Almost everything

it was only 7.5 hours of suffering

Padme's torso

>>64486572
obi wan
sheev
lightsaber jackie chan battles
jango vs obi wan
the music
natalie's outfits in 2
episode 1's bluepilled racist humor

Darth Maul

>>64486572
Sheev
all the EU Clone Wars media

Obi Wan
Qui Gon
Duel of the Fates

The opera scene

>>64486572
Jake Lloyd as Anakin

sand

>>64486572
They weren't JJ fanfic.

>>64486572
Proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that Lucas is incompetent.
Twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern.

>>64486665
Now this is podracing

they made a lot of money
it's fun to complain about them

>>64486572
Portmans midriff

>>64486572
The memes

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>>64486572
Hershlag

they weren't glib facsimiles of IV

Ewan McGregor

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>>64486572
art design

music

concept and setting of the plot (not its execution)

fun, if poorly aged, action sequneces (maybe about half the action sequences in the OT, the rest look terrible)

unlimited


POWER!!!!!!

>>64486690
So his first three movies THX, American Grafitti and ANH prove that Lucas is competent? If you want to look at patterns look at Irvin Kershner a one movie streak of excellence.

>>64486710
>>64486730
10 seconds apart, god bless you anon

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>>64486766
>66
>unlimited power
>mfw

Obi Wan and Qui Gon vs Darth Maul

Sheev and McGregor by themselves are better than five generic Disney Action Movies with Star Wars Branding.

>>64486572
It made a lot of funny memes

>>64486572
Sheev

George Lucas
Not Disney faggots

I liked it when it was over

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>>64486572
Cast
OST
Fights (inb4 0.2 second gifs)
Art
Pacing
Chemistry
Variety
Believable motivations (Anakin joining the dark side)
Characters

Pretty good movies overall, partially enjoy them more than the OT.

Definitely better than 7 which is fanfic.

>>64486572
I thought that podracing was pretty cool when I saw the movie as a kid.

Palpatine and Order 66 were great too.

>>64486572
Star Wars

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>>64486608
this.
i cant fault one thing about them. theyre completely perfect. the world concepts and designs, the politics, the characters. all so perfect

prequels > OT

>>64486572

Obi-Wan Kenobi
Darth Maul
Samuel L. Jackson with a purple lightsaber
Clone Wars
Way more depth to the Star Wars Universe
Natalie Portman
etc.

>>64486901
Wish Lucas would read this post. It's so true. Too bad the mainstream hipsters picked it as the boogeyman of movies.

Motivations people in Star Wars join the dark side, quality of writing:

>Anakin feels excluded from the council
>feels like he doesn't get the respect he deserves
>had an incredibly terrible life
>has visions that Padme dies and the dark side has the power to keep her alive

>Ren
>...

>>64486901
im not sure if that picture is reaching a little bit far, but damn i hope that was intentional

They ended.

>>64486940
>Wish Lucas would read this post. It's so true. Too bad the mainstream hipsters picked it as the boogeyman of movies.
If you say you like teh prequels on a site like NeoGAF, you'll probably get banned or at least "le epic backfired" by 50 teenagers.

>>64486572
sheev
Obi-Wan
the clone war cartoon
dank memes

best obi
best cinematography and imagery
best ost
best lightsaber fights
most interesting, though poorly handled, plot
best costume design

>>64486929
Samuel l. Jackson and the purple lightsaber are enough for a great movie

>>64486957
Pretty sure it was. He is the pottery man after all.

>>64487008
and duel of fates

>>64486901
I was willing to let you have some, until you got to the last half of your list where you went full retard.

Pacing? Dear God no.
Chemistry? Like, between actors? Dear God no.
Variety? Of what? CG robots and shit? Who cares?
BELIEVABLE MOTIVATIONS FOR ANAKIN JOINING THE DARK SIDE? NOW I KNOW YOU TROLLING.

>>64486572
HI RED.DIT!!!

Phase II armor

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Just posting the most pointless, unbelievable and cringe-worthy scene of 7.

>>64486787
I don't care what Lucas did in the Seventies.
Doesn't matter who it is, if you have unlimited money and no restraint to make three movies, and all three are shit-to-mediocre then that proves that you aren't a good director. Period.

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>>64487034
He probably got lucky, like how he got lucky with Anakin's shadow looking like Vader in ep2.

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>>64487051
Hello, underage Redditor.

>>64487051
if i had a hot jewess wife carrying kids, id try to save her too. not to mention anakin was autistic

>>64487072
>I don't care what Lucas did in the Seventies.
opinion discarded

>>64486593
>my wife's son
literally c u c k: the anon

>>64487051
hi plinkett fan!

>>64486819
the way you overexplain your reaction to this post reeks of reddit

please leave you don't belong here man

>>64486572
>Podracing
>creation of the clone army
>duel on the lava planet

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>>64487051

Anakins was

>enslaved as a child and mistreated
>had no dad
>had visions of his mom in pain and then traveled to find her raped and beaten to death
>developed a rash personality prone to anger and a jealous infatuated fixation with Padme
>was ostracized and mistrusted by the Jedi Order and Council and never felt like he belonged or was respected
>endured ultimate disrespect in not being promoted to masterhood with the defeat of Dooku and yet appointment to Council
>new that Padme was going to die from his dreams and didn't want to revisit that sense of pain and failure as the purported "most gifted Jedi of all time"
>watched as Mace Windu was about to enact martial law and kill Palpatine just as Sheev had said the Jedi were planning on taking over control of the Senate

Yeah, no motivations

none at all

he only fulfills

>fear
>anger
>hate
>jealousy
>infatuation
>paranoia

none at all, nope

just doesn't make any sense

>>64487051
2 and especially 3 are pretty fast movies. Compared Peter Hackson shit they're fast-paced.

>Chemistry? Like, between actors? Dear God no.
Anakin and Kenobi chemistry was great.

>Variety? Of what? CG robots and shit? Who cares?
Species, robots, locations, it added a huge chunk tot he Star Wars lore for a reason.

>BELIEVABLE MOTIVATIONS FOR ANAKIN JOINING THE DARK SIDE? NOW I KNOW YOU TROLLING.
Are you retarded? See >>64486940

>>64487189
Just because he fulfills those doesn't mean its written well. Its a fucking mess.

>>64487189
I can't say when I ever thought a character in a movie ever actually had such good reasons and motives to do something bad. Although the saving Padme with magic powers was of course kinda cheap.

Literally no chance they can give Ren motivations why he joined the dark side half as good, though.

>>64487235
No, it's not. It's obvious you want to hate on the prequels just to hate on them, though. How about you visit some mainstream normalfag forum like NeoGAF or Reddit? Probably where you come from.

>i-its a mess anyway

>>64487235

No it isn't you fuck. Some of the dialogue is crazy but his story is pretty damn clear.

>>64487249
They probably won't even give him any motivations and we'll never know why he joined the dark side. It already makes zero sense he adores Vader since Luke told him he was actually a good guy.

>>64487249

Where are the people complaining about Kylo killing his fucking dad and all of his friends because he was sent to bed without supper one night

>>64486991
Holy fucking shit, you prequel babbys really are fishing to try and creat this little prequel hugbox of yours, aren't you?

The prequels were shit an dLucas lost control of his series. Get over it.

>>64486628
Honestly the only thing I remembered until I rewatched them on rifftrax.
These movies are pure mst3k tier.

>>64487140
literally newfag: the anon

>>64486572
The only way you can enjoy tfa is if you completely ignore the story, plot holes and bad acting.
Literally just enjoy the lasers.
I was critical of the prequels when they came out but tbqf family I love them all
Anakin vs obi wan btfo anything disney will ever bring to me.

>>64486572
Redlettermedia got famous because of them.

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>>64487343
Literally no one cares. None of the characters has any background or motives. No one cares. 9 on IMDB anyway, retards like >>64487347 still shitting on the prequels. This is the world we live in.

>>64487147
>over explanation
>literally just a standard mfw post
Reddit witch hunts are not successful because Reddit doesn't come to the shit hole

>>64486572
They're finished
/thread

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Worst part of 7.

>>64486572
Soundtrack

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>>64487475
>/threading your own post

>>64487382
I can't seriously believe people are posting shit like this unironically.

TFA is mediocre, but to actually defend this pice of shit, CGI ridden, terribly paced, horribly written lore destroying prequels is absurd. I can't believe people are so defensive of JJ's liberal shittyness that they'd defend the movies that made the world realize how shit George Lucas was as a director.

/tv/ turned into a contrarian subreddit dedicated to shitting into any well received movies, and that will turn against anyone that doesn't agree with your absurdly sad nitpicking, like Mr Plinkett.

>>64486940
>Ren
>......
Maybe that's because the story isn't about Kylo Rens fall to the dark side you fucking loser.

>>64487390

I DONT UNDERSTAND

>>64487141
>People still assblasted about Plinkett destroying their favourite movies all these years later
S U I C I D E
W
A
T
C
H

>>64487390
The prequels are fucking awful you retarded piece of shit inbred monkey. TFA is dumb as fuck but at least it's a watchable and fun movie set in the original Star Wars universe. The prequels were fucking bad videogames in movie form.

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>>64487483

holy shit, I never realized how gay that face was

i liked qui-gon and darth maul
everything else was boring

>>64486790
>10 seconds apart
>literally 26

U wot m8?

>>64486572
Rex

>>64487529

>le force awakens

THERE IS NO STORY

ITS NOTHING

NOTHING AT ALL

>WATCH HAN SOLO GET PAID $27 MILL TO RELIVE SOME NOSTALGER

So did /pol/ decide to defend Lucas after he went to the media about the lack of white male main characters in TFA?

>>64487190
>>64487189
>>64487141
>>64487104
>>64487103

Holy shit. I've done it. I've actually lived long enough to see people go so completely contrarian, that they will perform whatever mental gymnastics neccessary to defend something SO objectively bad that it defies logic.

No, friends. The chemistry between Anakin and Obiwan wasn't that good. It had potential, I'll give you that. Too bad in third, climatic movie, they spend so much fucking time apart that it doesn't matter.

The pacing is never good. Phantom Menace is bogged down by Trade disputes, Adventures on Tatooine, and Naboo Politics (Maul Duel is pretty sick though). Attack of the Clones never picks up traction because of the terribly executed romance between anakin and padme. And Revenge of the Sith, while seemingly fast paced, is just a bunch of shit that happens in a poor attempt to connect the prequels to A New Hope.

And as for Anakin's motivation? You provided a nice list, but that's not what story telling is. It's not a list of things. It has to be weaved together, and George Lucas was clearly lost on this. It could have been so much better, and so much more simple. Dead Mom? Check. Feelings for Padme? Cool. But everything else they tried to shoehorn in their was just weird. The whole thing about resenting the Jedi because they won't give him the rank of master, and Sheev's vague promise to protect his wife from dream hinted death. It's just not enough to go on to suddenly kill Mace, swear your allegiance to the Sith, and murder children. It could have been much, much better -- and if nothing else -- we desereved that from the prequels. If EVERYTHING else was shit, but they pulled of Anakin's descent in a satisfying way, we'd all be more forgiving.

Ways to improve it? I don't get paid MILLIONS to produce movies, but I'll try if someone wants me to. This post is too long already.

>>64487654
Do you try to dictate the discussion like this in real life too?

sheev and the music

great movies to get drunk and talk over

>>64487475
redditfag detected

>>64487690

>durr hurr if there's any flaws it's shit

Let me go ahead and do a Plinkett-style "review" of ANH

>>64487700
I really can't see a single reason why suddenly a bunch of people defending the prequels popped up on /tv/ after we spent a decade shitting on them.

Unless it's the reddit contrarians that got banned from their star wars subreddit for being a bunch of faggots. At which point I'll say: Hello Reddit.

>>64487647
Dude what? Are you 16 or something?
There are three distinct character arcs
>Rey learning to let go of home
>Finn finding his courage
>Kylo struggling with the pull of light
All of these characters have conflicts and resolutions, the plot is The First Order is fucking everyone's shit and The Republic is funding a proxy war via The Resistance to fight them. Protip: The word is spelled nostalgia

>>64487763
You've done it again and you didn't even answer the question. AND now you're pretending you've been here for years?

>>64486572
Sheev, music, Obi-Wan

err...

Natalie Portman is quite attractive

>>64487690
>being this mad that people like the prequels

>>64487747
Ok then go ahead, nobody to this day has properly refuted Plinkett's review. Even if it is comedy and does have a few overly nitpicked things to help with the comedy it's still spot on.

>>64486940
Kylo Ren probably has a Darth Vader body pillow

Maul was cool.
Jango scenes were nice.
The score.
Padme was hot.

>>64487817
I fucking knew it. /pol/ babbys it is.

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>>64487852
Are you fucking moronic? He's just giving his opinion. Holy shit when did reddit arive

>>64487798

That is the most generic fucking shit I've ever read and its not even new within Star Wars itself. I'm not 16, that's exactly why it didn't hit me at all. It's a soulless, generic, committee-produced flick with hardly any exposition or weight and just a lot of mindless action and whimsical adventures.

>the new (read: shitty as fuck) Republic is funding a meme unit to let this terrorist Nazi organization build a mega Deathstar and blow them up before they do anything

Awesome

>>64487890
Do you plan on answering the question?

>>64486625
YES

>>64488005

>also Protip: the word is spelled nostalgia

It was a facetious comment

>grammar pedantry

The lowest form of criticism. You truly fit the target audience for Nu Wars.

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Obi Wan
Podrace
Count Dooku
Darth Maul
Space battles
Mace Windu
Sheev
Kamino
Order 66
Sandpeople holocaust
Watto the Jew
Soundtrack
Droidekas
Droid army invading windows XP default wallpaper
Darth Jar Jar ( the original plan )

They are more memorable, entertaining with better characters than TFA. Only Adam Driver was good.

>>64487852
>Anon makes a reasonable post stating his opinion
>lmao u mad

Prequel babies are literally 9gag

>>64488058
>better characters than TFA

Are you fucking kidding me?

The only good character in the prequels was Sheev and Obi Wan for the last thrid of 3. Everyone else was fucking shit.

>>64488121

TFA didn't have characters tbf, it had action figures

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Attempts at original design overall. This one and queens ship and mauls ship were sleek as fuck.

>>64488005
Actually. You're right. You're wrong too. But you're right.

To clarify...

Prequels: Terribly written pieces of shit that had a lot of new stuff in it, even though the new stuff was terrible.

TFA: Very safe, but solidly made movie, but so generic that is basically IS A New Hope, while introducing a new cast of characters for us to attach to.

I rather take the generic, but good movie -- than the TERRIBLE, "oh, well, Pod Racing is unique, isn't it?" movies.

>>64488058
>Space battles
The space battles in the prequels sucked dick. They were more about splosions and shiny things than anything else.

episodes 1-3

>>64486572
>Phantom Menace
Qui-Gon Jinn. Maul. Naboo (the underwater city and the palace). Duel of Fates. The ending fight. Podracing was dumb fun. In fact, "dumb fun" is a good description of the film.

>Attack of the Clones
Anakin. Kenobi. The Clone Trooper twist (most people assumed the clones were bad guys). That arena fight sequence (from Anakin/Kenobi/Padme fighting it out on their own, to the big fight with all the Jedis, to the clone troopers joining in). Kenobi/Anakin vs Dooku.

>Revenge of the Sith
Palpatine. Watching Anakin seduced by the Dark Side only to eventually succumb to it. The opening battle. Anakin killing Dooku because Palpatine said. The final duel with Anakin and Kenobi.

The prequels are pretty good films. Hating them is just a bunch of bunk.

>>64488148

I will take an attempt, over a not-attempt that charges me the same and puts on false pretenses, every fucking time

I guess that's the difference between a casual and a fan

>>64486572
Does Grievous in The Clone Wars count?

>>64488142
Nah, I have to disagree.

Young Obiwan is cool. Sheev is just a meme, but he acts it out well enough. And I like Anakin, but I know his dialogue and scenes are mostly cringe worthy. Maul was neat for a fight scene or two.

TFA -- Poe and Finn are bro tier. BB8 is the most charasamtic fucking rolly ball in the universe. Kylo did a better job being Anakin, than anakin did. And Rey, Phasma, and Space Hitler were hit and miss, but still not cringe worthy.

>>64488005
>I..I.. I swear I'm not 16!
Kek, a bit defensive are we? It's not about the ideas it's how they're executed which is something the prequels lack. Interesting ideas that are executed horribly, you don't get props for that.
>>64488054
I know you meant to reply to me but if you can't realize the irony in your comment you should probably leave.

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>Episode 1

Darth maul fight was good, and the song, soo good, but thats it.

>Episode 2

Eh I guess Anakin going crazy and killing all those raiders? I mean the fights were ok. I did like the bounty hunter scene. Not a big fan of this one. Least favorite star wars.

>Episode 3

Best one I think.

Palpatine was amazing, the fight at the end, and seeing Anakin go crazy was pretty good. Also the tie up.

>>64488142
>Defends prequels
>Says TFA characters are only made for action figures
You realize Lucas is the man that replaced Wookies with Ewoks just so they could sell more toys right?

Mr. Plinketts reviews.

>>64488234
Or between a winner and a loser? I'm not trying to be a dick, just hear me out.

I play basketball. It's fun, fast paced, I like it. Whatever. Not the point.

Prequels: A fancy behind the back lay up that would have been awesome if you made it, but just was so poorly executed that it clanks off the rim, flies off court and hits your coach in the face.

The Force Awakens: A nice pass to an open man, who makes a jump shot effortlessly. Nobody is hooting and hollering over the play, but you made the shot, and you win the game.

Ya dig? And yes, The prequels have redeeming qualities. Just like a fancy missed lay up that hits your coach in the face. That shit is funny to watch, and a little bit impressive in its own way.

You still suck at basketball if you take that shot though, as oppossed to taking the easy jumper.

obi wan never looked better

>>64488429
Saved

Across the Stars

>>64488429

So you liked TFA because you're a nigger

>>64488556
kek

>>64488556
I think it's been established that Finn knocked it out of the park. All this HE'S BLACK shit can probably end now.

Funny joke. But the basketball analogy is fucking solid and you know it.

st george lucas = red pilled aryan master race
jew jew abrams = Z.O.G puppet

end of thread
end of discussion

>>64488859
>>64488893
>>64488941
>>64489045
I think I threw up a little, can you literally not find one good still from this movie?

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>>64488664
Just because Finn knocked it out of the park and /pol/ got btfo, doesn't mean that other aspects of the film don't make it shit.

>literal Mary Sue
>garbage one-liner humor pulled straight from marvel movies
>blatant fanservice
>A New Hope 2.0 storyline

The prequels had great settings, original stories, and deep characters, but was ruined by shitty directing and dialogue.

TFA is the exact opposite, it has amazing directing, but fails in that the settings, story, and characters lack depth and plausible motivations.

I hope that episodes 8 & 9 can salvage this shitstorm by fleshing out Rey and Kylo, but i doubt that disney will take the risks necessary to create compelling arcs for the both of them.

>>64488859

It's funny how people say prequels have aged badly. Ok, some scenes like the battle of naboo did, but you see architects making renders worse than this one nowadays.

Based Plaza de España, btw.

>>64488429

TFA is a layup as time expires when the game had been on the line and you were down by 3

do the math

>b-but I m-made a shot at least coach

>>64488429
Poor analogy/10

>>64488521
Underrated post

Episode 1 was the best
>movies made for chidlren focused on a child
>neison fucking shit
>people dying
>pod racing
>action
>that theme song
>those effects
>that fun


It didn't have troopers, but damn those droids were lovable. ITS A FUCKING CHILDRENS MOVIE.

>>64489250
>Great settings
If you consider shitty greenscreen cgi great settings sure.
>Original stories
Original =/= good
>Deep characters
Literally WHO! This is quite possibly the worst post on 4chan right now

>>64488664
>been established that Finn knocked it out of the park

since when

>>64488429

Let me help you with analogy.

You have two engineers. Their boss comes to them and shows them a conventional Go-Kart.

"This Go-Kart can move you from point A to point B at 15 mph. I want a new improved Go-Kart that can move faster."

Engineer 1 creates a Go-Kart that can hit 30 mph at times but can't figure out a way to work out a problem where the engine stalls after 30 minutes of use.

Engineer 2 takes the old Go-Kart, replicates it, adds a shiny new coat of paint, and submits it to his boss.

Which engineer do you think the boss will be happier with?

If you're going to make a new Star Wars,

MAKE A NEW FUCKING STAR WARS

>>64487690
You have good points on pacing, character chemistry, and pacing.

However, I think you're missing the fact that Anakin literally saw the flaws and hypocrisies of the Jedi in front of his eyes. You're right, he didn't turn to the dark side because of that list of things mentioned in>>64487189 ,he instead turned because he saw the Jedi betray him and his friends/love interests. He wanted to protect them(probably due to his nightmares of them suffering), and saw the Jedi as preventing him from doing so.

>>64489250
>>64489250
I think I agree with you, but I don't think TFA FAILS at setting, story and characters. I just think it's mediocre. While prequels certainly FAIL at a great many things, and don't even reach mediocrity.

>>64489468
since the movie released. Everyone knows /pol/ got btfo. Finn was charming and well acted as fuck.

>>64489529
I'm almost with you. But the problem with analogies is poetic liscence.

I was being objectively fair with mine. You were being way too generous to the prequels -- though, pretty fair to TFA.

The prequels never hit 30 mph, but only stalls after 30 minutes. It hits 20 at maximum, and then the engine fucking explodes, catching fire, and killing the driver.

My wife's son son likes them.

>>64489701

Bullshit. The overarching story is fine. There are cool worlds, scenes, characters, etc. that are fleshed out and explained

the main thing holding it back are details, execution, overuse of CGI

I rewatched them recently and enjoyed them enough, only getting annoyed by shit like Jar Jar, Anakin's acting in AotC, etc.

You are implying Disney did their job with TFA. They did not. An enormous, rich up to their balls, creative production house rehashed Episodes 4-6 with shiny new tech, a muddled and hamfisted story, and shipped it out as a bona fide new sequel. It will always have the name "VII" next to it. That's criminal to me.

>>64489454
>If you consider shitty greenscreen cgi great settings sure.
Every planet that they visit in the prequels, even in episode 1 alone, each have fleshed out personalities different form other planets. Different unique arcitechure, different forms of government, different species.

Just because the "shitty greenscreen cgi" is the only technology available at the time of filming they could use to show these grand setting while remaining in budget, does not make the settings bad. The cgi is pretty good for the time desu.

>Original =/= good
Its still better than A New Hope 2.0

>Literally WHO! This is quite possibly the worst post on 4chan right now
The relationship between Anakin and Obi-wan is an incredibly deep one ruined by cheesy dialogue.

Just like the relationship between Anakin and Padme is a great demonstration of Anakins flaws as a character ruined by cheesy dialougue.

>>64489427
A childrens movie where the conflict is based upon trade routes and tax cuts?
C'mon m8

>>64489529
The boss will be happier with the one that works and gets from point A top point B not the one that will be a public liability lol.

>>64486572
yoda lightsaber battle was pretty cool

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>>64487249
>wanting the motivation
anakin turning evil or darth vader turning good it doesnt matter why, it just happened. asking for explanations to such simple concepts is exposing yourself to disapointement.kylo turned evil because training was hard,daddy couldnt reach him and snoke took advantage from it.simple as that.

>>64489959

No he won't. Get a job sometime. Engineer 2 ignored specs and chose the lazy route.

You can do something with the thing that Engineer 1 created even if it isn't perfect.

>>64489834
But see, what you're failing to realize is that the prequels were SO bad, that Disney had to play it "safe".

They were that bad dude, they were. How old are you? I'm 30. So, old enough to remember the HYPE around Phantom Menace. Man, people were fucking excited. NEW STAR WARS? DARTH MAUL, FUCK YEAH! OMG DUEL OF THE FATES. OMG STAR WARS MUSIC VIDEO ON TRL (no lie... http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xn7ldo_star-wars-episode-1-the-phantom-menace-duel-of-the-fates-music-video_shortfilms)

We all wanted to like the film. But it was bad. And even as a teenager, I was like, "Shit, these movies are bad."

So when Episode VII and all these movies were announced, what did level headed consumers like me do? "OH COOL STAR WARS!.... wait... wait. Oh, fuck. Please, don't be shit. Is it shit? Better not be shit. Fuck its gonna be shit."

They had to tell a conventional story just to get the fanbase to not revolt. Could the franchise survive another cluster fuck? Maybe, it is star wars after all.

I do hope the next movie takes more risks with its story telling now that is has been established, "No folks, these are going to be better than the prequels, don't worry"

>>64490096
Ummm. Sorry, but I agree with other guy. Maybe you should try "Artist" instead of "Engineer". As an engineer, shit needs to work. Not explode.

>>64489885
Why the fuck didn't they use more practical effects that look better, age better and in general are a great tool that CGI should compliment. Don't ever try and defend it again.

>Still better than A New Hope 2.0
Lmao not at all, Star Wars is Good vs Evil not squabbling about trade routes and disputes, at least the motivations are clear in TFA.

>Relationship between Anakin and Obi Wan is incredibly deep
lol no, stopped reading there, you obviously have no idea what you're talking about. You're essentially saying the things the characters do and say don't matter because you have some weird headcanon that says otherwise. Anakin and Obi Wan literally never do any bro things and just always seem angry or annoyed at each other.

>>64490096
>Get a job sometime
So you're saying if you were a boss and you had to choose between a go kart that doesn't work and one that does work, you'd go for the one that doesn't work? You're a fucking idiot

>>64490222

He already has one that works. He just paid Engineer 2 to literally do nothing. Follow the analogy. That's practically theft and fireable.

>>64490176

see above

>explode

Nothing "exploded" you tit. It doesn't work reliably.

>>64490098

Disney had the laundry list of issues to avoid, as well as an enormous creative team. I can't believe you're making excuses for a multi-billion dollar company that was willing to take a risk on some fucking mickey mouse ass shit like "John Carter" and then you're going to give it an excuse for being completely lazy and complacent on Star Wars. What kind of fucking fan can stand that? They are literally marvelizing this series before our eyes and you can't help but sit there, clap, cry, and extol them for "not being the prequels at least." I'm going to be honest, I can enjoy casual movies but in the context of this series, their investment, what they could have done, it's pretty sickening. And it's sickening to see so many people giving them high marks and a pat on the back for it. You think they're going to take risks now? Oh, you bet they won't. Good job.

>>64490295
>It's theft to use your bosses design for a company that he owns and you work for
lmao no, I'll ask again, do you want a kart that works? Or do you want a kart that doesn't?

>>64486572
Natty Portman

>>64490295
LOL. Okay.

>engineer
>shit i build doesn't work
>car stalls every 30 minutes, I'm late to work every day, I missed my son's birth
>bridge collapses, kills hundreds, my son just died
>dam crumbles, leaving hundreds homeless, and it upheaves my son's grave
>my son, whose birth i missed, who died on a bridge collapse, has his corpse floating around in the flooded city I doomed.
>at least I'm more creative than the other engineers

>>64490393
Except, the movie was still good. I don't care that I can predict the story points to 99% accuracy. I can predict all story points in every movie to 99% accuracy. I know story structure. I read.

Except the danish girl. I did not predict everything in that fucking movie.

>>64490445

He wants a faster Kart than the old one. The end.

>>64490505

Nah, nah, that's just hysterical rambling, let me set you right.

>this Kart can go faster
>but less reliably, and only for a short bit of time
>for now, people can use this Kart to go faster over short distances
>it's not the exact product I wanted, but it is usable regardless

Do you understand yet?

>>64490586

It's not a predictable story. It's the same story, a lazy pastiche. That I paid more money for and had new expectations for.

>>64490613
HA HA HA HA HA!

>hey guys, this breaks down all the time, but its fast
>enjoy it for short distances, I guess
>or whatever
>y is my son dead?

Samuel
L
Jackson

>>64490183
>Star Wars is Good vs Evil not squabbling about trade routes and disputes
Star Wars is a kids movie. At the end of the day, going to "a long time ago in a galaxy far far away" and discovering new places, new conflicts, and new characters, is just as much a part of star wars as the battle between good and evil. TFA fails to have any sense of discovery whatsoever by offering a rehashed plot with cliche, depthless characters. Its like making a BLT without lettuce.

Anakins relationship with padme exists to show that Anakin needs someone in his life to ground him to reality. As soon as his mother isn't there to be the driving motivation for everything he does, he immediately falls in love with another motherly figure. Notice how all Anakin talks about on tatooine is freeing his mother. Anakin realizes that without anybody to love, he would have no reason to live. Sheev takes advantage of this, and threatens Anakin with the thought that he might lose padme. When Anakin finally does lose padme, he loses a part of himself. He becomes an empty shell of his former self until he finds someone else that he can life his life for, his own son.

The problem is that shitty dialougue ruins this relationship for retards like you that can't look any deeper than the hottest new meme.

>Are you an angel?
>i don't like sand
>i killed them, i killed them all

The prequels are filled with examples of bad dialogue ruining the deeper meaning of the story.

>>64490663
It IS almost a carbon copy. I'll give you that. That was disappointing to me too. Won't even lie.

Still better than the prequels. Sorry.

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>>64486572
This

>prequel discussion somehow turned into go-kart engineering

>>64486572
Jango Fett

Natalie Portman's ass

Sheev

Duel of the Fates

Duel of the Fates.

Duel of the Fates

>>64486790
*G-d

>>64486572 Podracer

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>>64490692

Alright, so you're just off in your own world now, that's fine

>Disney babbies

>>64490761
>>64490760
HIRO

Qui-Gon Jinn, Podracers, Padmes fine ass(M'lady), The tale of Darth Plagueis the Wise, Sexy handmaidens(M' ladies), Saruman, Sheev, the love and loss of Jedi bros, personal energy shield noises, the one purple lightsaber to rule them all, Aayla Securas fine ass(M'blue tentacle lady), Chewbar.

>>64490781
>I'm laughing at you
>you start laughing at me in response

lol no

>>64490888

This is a higher order of autism than I expected

Let me know when I'm allowed to find your inane nature humorous

Straight up intergalactic government policies.

>>64490939
>still trying
>calls ME autistic
>asks for my permission to laugh

oh god oh god oh god, my sides.

>>64491048

did Mom let you have a little too much Mountain Dew tonight?

>>64486572
The good thing is it's not canon anymore.

>>64490613
So you're working for an incompetent boss who doesn't care about the product as long as it goes faster for any period of time? I think you can finally see where your analogy falls apart. Your analogy also implies that there are parts of the prequels that are better than the OT and you know that just ain't true

>>64491156
But it is.

>>64491111
>makes a mom / mountain dew burn
>probably thinks he's funny
>giggling to himself about his mountain dew humor

Only the dead know freedom from this comedy.

>>64488322

TRAITOR

>>64486572
Qui-Gon Jinn.

>>64490731
>Implying there is a deeper meaning other than your head canon.
Unfortunately you can't base your facts off what you think was meant to happen and can only make informed decisions based on what the movies actually showed us. Padme was only there because Anakin needed to have a love interest not because he was desperate for a mother figure

>>64486572

Plinkett reviews

>>64491168

I literally do not see how this is hard to understand. I deliberately chose a very basic example with a simple specification in order to make it easy to follow when I could have been far more complicated.

The boss asked for one thing: make this Kart (that I already have, it's a perfectly fine Kart) go faster.

That's it. I want a different Kart.

Engineer 1 TRIES to fulfill the spec. He gets somewhere with it, a faster Kart, but it is less reliable than the old one. He did his job in attempting, earned his paycheck, and while the Kart has its faults and isn't a total solution it can be used in certain cases and expanded upon.

Engineer 2 was a lazy fuck who took all of his bosses money and pushed out basically the same thing with a new paint job.

>>64491192

I sense a lot of projection here

Casting
Soundtrack
Fights
Politics
Sheev
Clonetroopers
World Building
Memes

>>64491323
We get it. I get it. You tried your best, but you're too fucking stupid to create a coherent argument. It's fine dude. We forgive you.

>>64491409

More like you're an idiotic NEET who doesn't actually understand how the real world works and claps like a braindead git for rehashed nonsense Disney shits out onto a screen with shinier new effects.

>>64486572
>Name one good thing about the prequels
It's not The Force Awakens.

>>64491463
No, I'm actually someone who agrees TFA leaves MUCH to be desired.

I just think you're analogy is all fucked up. We're on, potentially, the same side of the arguement. I'm just trying to stop you from embarassing yourself further.

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>>64486572
Sheev
Portman's midriff and those costumes and makeup she wore
The music
Coruscant (I'm sorry okay, I just have a massive boner for the futuristic cities)
The noises of that lizard Obi rode
This qt

That's just about all I've got

>>64491529
Dat qt3.14!

>>64491294
You mean how you can't prove TFA is a good movie without blowing headcannon fodder out your ass?

you can't

Like i said, at least the prequels keep the sense of discovery characteristic of every Star Wars film.

>>64491522

You don't have a valid criticism. It's as close as a simple analogy can get. Of course there are minutiae that leave something left to be desired but, again, a simple analogy, it's supposed to be basic.

I paid more money, and spent more time eagerly waiting, for the same thing. A same thing that Disney marketed as a new thing. I don't consider that more forgivable than an honest attempt at a new thing that goes awry.

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The Dinotopia scenes were pretty good

>>64491529

Coruscant is awesome, who could possibly hate on it

Hey ya jamokes, here's a thought. ALL STAR WARS IS SUPER COOL. Yay for having this franchise in our sad lives.

Best light saber battles except for Empire
Sheev
Pod Racing
Space battles
Memes
Grievous
Natalie Portman's hot ass
Ewan was actually a decent actor

PT
Pros:
>Creativity/Ideas
>Design(s)
>Photography
>Style
>Atmosphere
>OST/sound design
>Sheev
>spess batles
>brand new shiny Darth Vader armor
>lots and lots of shit pulled from EU(yup) into P
>gave life to more neat EU vidya and books
Cons:
>bad pacing/timing/synchonisation
>dialogue is too simple and yet they dwell on those simple lines letting them sink in
>needless elaboration of some things
>Jango/Boba Fett are major parts of OT
>needless cartoonishness combined with gritty parts
>doesn't really get OT very well


TFA
Pros:
>robot is a qt
>Harrison Ford acting for once
Cons:
>everything else


What surprised me about the critical reaction towards this movie is that the same people that passionately hate Transformers series - liked TFA even tho, after seeing this movie, i would probably think it is directed by Michael Bay if i didn't know for a fact that this is Jar Jar's movie.
Its Bay's style and action and retarded memetization of all shit conjoint.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yo8CVeHjgIk
Off topic sort of but I thought this was when Clone wars got real

>>64486572
They expanded on a fantasy universe that the OT only scratched the surface of. Even with the bad decisions, the prequels allowed for more creativity that the originals lacked the ability to portray, and the sequels lack the balls to take any creative risks.

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If it weren't for the PT, we wouldn't have these steamy Jar Jar/Padme pics.

>>64486572
The music

>>64491826
OH! And i forgot to add
PT
>Makes sense
>not boring

>>64487140
>not knowing memes

step your game up, son

>>64491645
Drop your ego. Your analogy was balls. I agree with your points otherwise.

Stop defending your brain dead analogy and move on.

>>64491323
>Earned his paycheck for a kart that doesn't work
Yeah not, your analogy is shit. Lets assume the boss is the audience, they already have a very fast and well built kart. George Lucas decides to try and make a better kart than the first one (OT) and ends up creating what is essentially one of those vans that suicide bombers use to deliver a large payload. Pretty spectacular but for all the wrong reasons. JJ Abrams comes in and we're reeling from the suicide van so he decides to go back to the simpler design that the boss likes with a few tweaks and enhancements with lots of room for custom upgrades.

That's the analogy you're looking for

>>64491608
But it's a movie with a clear set of goals, those goals are fulfilled with good characters, a decent script and good acting. I'm really sorry that your argument had to resort to "nuh uh ur the headcanon" but you've already dug yourself a hole.

>>64491723
>Any of the lightsabre battles in the prequels better than Luke vs Vader on the Death Star
Where do you get off?

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>>64492196
On your mom

>>64491943

Weren't you the one who came up with the basketball one? That's not even in the same analog ballpark.

Analogies are generally shitty and oversimplified ways of gleaning perspective anyway.

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>>64492158
> map to Luke is a decent script

>>64492095

No it isn't. You're just being hyperbolic. This board is dreadful with logic.

>a suicide van

what in the everloving fuck are you even trying to say

>>64492095
I am not the guy you are responding to but...
>OT) and ends up creating what is essentially one of those vans that suicide bombers use to deliver a large payload
More like a like a brand new sport car that looks really cool and drive kinda fast but has a lot of plastic in it and pointless gimmicks. Seats are not very well positioned.
>JJ Abrams comes in and we're reeling from the suicide van so he decides to go back to the simpler design that the boss likes with a few tweaks and enhancements with lots of room for custom upgrades.
And in this case its more like he made like 75% of all the car parts, threw them into a bag and shipped it to customers. So customers thought REALLY hard to construct this car into a single thing only to realize that a lots of parts are reused from other cars, some parts don't even fit with the rest of the car, and you can't really drive it since it has neither engine nor fuel. And dealer said that if you pay double we are promising that the car you bought MIGHT actually be drivable.

>podrace
that's because it's the only thing that happens in the shit movies

>>64492432
RotS has tons of shit that happens though. Its also the best SW movie

>>64486572
Sheev
Vidya
How many times I fapped to Hershlag as a youngin'

>>64492158
the goals of TFA are to draw in as many fans as possible.

It does this by pandering to nostalgiafags, and having a character to represent as many different demographics of people as possible. Its nothing more than a commercial for the next 12 star wars movies.

sorry to bring /v/ into this, but this movie is what everyone didn't want Star Wars Battlefront to be, which was a generic fps game with a star wars skin. This is nothing more than generic hollywood drivel we have been getting every year since Iron Man 1 came out, just with a Star Wars skin on top.

>>64492326
That's not a script sorry, that's the motivation. Adds an air of mystery. What wrong with that? Are you that guy that was in the thread before who thought Luke should've showed up at Starkiller Base?
>>64492336
>Suicide van
Yes a van filled with explosives that dune coons drive into crowds of people. I'm sorry that you thought your analogy was in anyway good.
>>64492354
>Implying the prequels look good
Anyone who thinks the prequels are better than TFA are underage and that's a fact. Think it's a coincidence all this prequel defending is happening when /v/ has been crossing over here?

>>64492616

Here is the very best, relatable analog

TFA is to movies (and the old Star Wars) what the new Battlefront is to games (and the old Battlefronts)

nothing new, bits of the old, stripped down, reskinned and rehashed for modern audiences

people saw through EA's shit and that game isn't such a blockbuster but the casuals are eating this gay ass movie up

>>64492624

That's just stupid. Why the fuck would someone make a van and load it with explosives. That's what I mean, you're entirely illogical and basically arguing with memes.

How much does Disney pay your dumb ass to belittle creative effort?

>>64492616
>He actually believes this
How much is George Lucas paying you shill?

>>64492737

He already cashed his check from Disney and cut his ties moron

people don't know a good thing til its gone and now that all of the creative energy of SW is gone we're left with this soulless husk of a franchise that's going to get pimped out like Marvel on a yearly basis

Sebulba's 2 twi'lek attendants.

>>64486572
Music

The visual of Darth Maul, especially at the start of the final battle. Duel of Fates man.

>>64492787
>Creative energy from Star Wars is gone
That happened a long time ago senpai. Don't worry I'm sure your cheque is in the mail already!

>>64493077
>neo/tv/

>>64486572
Ep 1: Podracing
Ep 2: Arena battle
Ep 3: Tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise

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Grievous was a badass

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>>64486766
Nice.

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>>64486572

>Casting
>Sheev's scheming
>Pod-Racing
>Obi-Wan/Qui-Gon vs Darth Maul
>Clone troopers had cool designs
>General Grievous
>Obi-Wan vs Anakin on Mustefar
>Sebulba (underrated as fuck)
>Cool new planets (Coruscant, Kashyyyk,Kamino, etc.)
>Good cinematography
>Darth Plageus
>John Williams' Scores (Duel of Fates, Battle of Heroes)

Honestly if Lucas didn't direct them the prequels probably would have been great

If it wasn't for the prequels we would never have gotten this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zee1OALy12I

The dialogue and the line delivery by the actors who had to act in front of a green screen 99% of the time were awful.
"Sand? I hate sand."

>>64493150
>cough cough
>pls follow my adventures in my cartoon XD

>>64486572
They were better than the original trilogy, if they came out first everyone would agree with me.

I mean how are you supposed to enjoy a movie when you know everything beforehand.
Anakin(kind of) survives
Obi Wan survives
Yoda survives
Sheev survives
Padme is going to survive long enough to give birth to Luke and Leia
3CPO and R2D2 will ''survive''.

Everyone who gets in the way of one of this characters is guaranteed to die.

>>64493077

>cheque

what kind of french fuckery is this

gtfo

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>>64493222

>casting

Probably the most horribly cast movies I've seen. There's Hayden for starters. And then all the minimum wage minor characters. The main baddie from the first movie was played by a stunt guy. I can't think if more than 3 well cast characters who weren't already in the OT

And don't say Dooku, Lee is a meme actor through and through

>>64494261
>lee is a meme actor

Opinion discarded

Sheev

The music

several of the action set pieces, especially pod racing

Ewan McDonald as young Obi Wan

several great video games based around it

Tartakovsky's excellent animated series and the also good 3D animated series

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>>64494540
>McDonald

the music, Ewan as Obi Wan and Sheev hamming it up

literally that's it, anyone who says anything else is memeing

>>64486572
sheev

not even memeing

I was reading the visual dictionaries the other day and I really appreciate all the lore it added to the saga. They're not good movies, but I appreciate a good amount of what they brought to the table if that makes any sense.

>>64486572
ctrl+f
>Obi
29 results
>sheev
26 results
>meme
15

I'm proud of you /tv/.

>>64494101
If your movie is ruined by people knowing whether or not characters are going to survive, it's a shit movie.

>>64486572
Podracing
Obi Wan chasing Fett's ship
Huge spaceship battle over the planet in the 3rd movie
Palpatine seducing Anakin

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>>64486659
>the opera scene
>the opera scene
>the opera scene

>>64495743
>Snoke survives
>Rey survives
>Luke survives
>Poe survives
>Finn survives
>Leia survives
>Kylo Ren survives
Lets assume this is all true.

Wouldn't you be watching the movies to come in a very different manner?

>>64495995
Yes, what's your point?

Outstanding musical scores
Amazing visuals
Dazzling visual effects.
A wide variety of new creatures
Clones
Count Dooku
Sebulba
Watto
Commander Cody
Obi-Wan
Qui-Gon
Sidious
Yoda
Great ship designs
Great costumes

The designs of pretty much everything

>>64486572
Pod Racing
Qui gon
Ewan Mcgregor as Obi wan
Darth Maul
Clone design
Jango Fett
Geonosis battle
Sheev
Grievous
Clone wars cartoon tv show
Good videogames
Mustafar battle
order 66
Awesome soundtrack

>>64486926
this tbqh senpai

>>64496050
Well this is the same thing that happened to the prequels.

The sense of adventure is pretty much dead.

>>64496646
How does watching them in a different way make them bad?

>>64488234

>a fan

You see, there's your problem. "Fans" of genre fiction almost always have exceptionally poor critical thinking abilities, not to mention taste. They're so wrapped up in "muh lore" that they are incapable of paying attention to what's delivered on screen.

Nobody fucking cares how much the prequels added to the Star Wars universe you fucking nerd. They're still shit movies.

>>64496831
Because the surprise and sense of adventure are big parts of why the originals were so good/loved i'd say.

>>64496939

They're making these movies (supposedly) "for the fans" you fuck.

Take your pretense elsewhere

>>64486572
I really enjoy the music, I dare say a lot of it is better then the original trilogy and miles ahead of what Force Awakens had for music. I also really love The Clone Wars CGI show, it was really good and I use it to substitute for the prequel trilogy. The issue with the Prequels is it was really not a story that needed to be told or could be told in only 3 films. Wish all of the prequel story was contained into a show but oh well.

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>>64494261
>Lee is a meme actor through and through

>>64496980
So have you never rewatched the originals after the first time?

>>64495995

>seriously trying to defend watching for the plot

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>>64486572

This guy. Say what you want, but Ian McDiarmid put 120% into playing Sidious no fucking holds barred. He was more into his character than anyone else in the Star Wars movies ever was (maybe even to a fault).

The opera scene added so much mystery to the Sith; even more so when you consider that the entire story could've been a lie because...well, Sith.

>>64486572
obi-wan

>>64486572
There was some kind of original storyline behind it. It was shit but at least it was original.

>>64497176
Sure i did, but it was nothing compared to the first time i saw them.

I'd say the same is true for every movie.

>>64497904
So to reiterate, if your movie is no longer worth watching if you know what characters will survive, it's a shit movie.

>>64497994
It will make it worse yes.

>/tv/ SUDDENLY liking Sheev ever since they watched RLM
Fucking reddit memeshit faggots

The art direction in TPM was great. Naboo looked fantastic. Had good music too. So there's that at the very least.

>>64486572
The sheev memes and the plinkett reviews are the only good things we got from the prequels.

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>>64490026
This doesn't work for me because we know too much about Kylo already.

We didn't need Vader's or Sheev's or Dooku's or Snoke's motivations because everything about those characters is a mystery. We already know he was raised by Leia, Han and Luke, three light side heroes, and idolizes Vader, who turned good and defeated the Empire at the end and that he "feels the pull of the light". I find it hard to believe Leia, Han and Luke could raise a kid to be so rotten, and I honestly can't believe Luke would keep his father's redemption a secret. And why would he turn in the first place if his natural inclination was toward the light? What little we know about Kylo doesn't really support him turning to the dark side, so it creates a dissonance at least to me.

Jar Jar Binks

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>>64498878
The feel of Naboo was ripped from James Gurney paintings

Which is a good thing

>>64486572
>Name one good thing about the prequels
They're over.

>>64486572
They're better than TFA

>>64499213
Holy shit that makes so much sense now. Every time I watched PM I got a huge Dinotopia vibe

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>>64486629

>>64486572
The prequels had great spectacle, everything had a great sense of scale and time.

so does /tv/ only hate TFA cause its popular and likes the prequels cause theyre unpopular?
jar jar was so annoying.. how could anyone like the prequels unironically?

>>64488142
Nigga what are you 12?

>>64487189
Anakin was

>stupid
>whiney
>didn't bother bothering to free his mother from slavery for over a decade
>was a creepy as fuck with Padme
>was tricked into destroying everything because in a fictional reality where severed limbs can easily be fixed, women apparently die in birth
>proved consistently he wasn't ready to be appointed to the council, proved that the council was right by acting like a self-important cunt
>watched as Mace Windu was confronting the dude who was unambiguously a sith lord, killed him because he was stupid and easily tricked

No motivations, just stupid emotional whiny faggery

He only fulfills

>being
>fucking
>retarded

>>64486572
>op challenged anons to name one good thing about the prequels
>anons filled an entire thread with good things about the prequels
>op on suicide watch

>>64491828
what? I thought obi-wan died on the death star?

>>64486572
1. Cool ship designs clearly inspired by the original but still being distinctive
2. Sheev

The way it formed a chiastic structure in conjunction with the original trilogy, and reinforced that through calculated inversions and allusions narratively, thematically and even compositionally. For all his failings, Lucas has always had an incredibly strong grasp of filmmaking language and has proven himself a truly gifted storyteller, despite his utter inability to write consistent dialogue.

Also, Ewan McGregor is really good in all three of them.

>>64486572
The high ground

>>64486572
The soundtrack.

Anakin is hot af

>double lightsabers
>dual wielding lightsabers
>an established jedi order
>dozens of planets
>a huge military conflict
>combat droids
>clone troopers
>the republic mechs and ships
>dooku
>darth maul
>obi-wan
>qui-gonn
>jedi master yoda
>jedi powers in general

This is just things shown in the movies, off the top of my head.

Here's other good things which you cannot dispute:

>the clone wars mini-series
>the clone wars series
>all the bitching lego sets
>KOTOR (wouldn't have been possible without prequels)
>Republic fucking Commando
>Battlefront

Even things like Empire at War, which is essentially about the OT would not have been possible without the prequels.

Black man >>64488429
White man (can't even compete) >>64489529

>>64505946
>HAHA BLACK PEOPLE DRIVE LIKE THIS
>AND WHITE PEOPLE DRIVE LIKE THIS

Ever though of going into comedy anon?

Jewish man >>64505978