Is a 46 minute layover at LAX to Australia too short?

>>1229357
Generally if it's listed as a flight it's fine. You'll have to rush, but if you're staying in the international terminal it's fine. I had a half hour layover in Hong Kong and it was actually nice to arrive at the gate just as boarding was happening.

>>1229362
I've been reading about it on another forum and people have been saying they need to leave the terminal and go back through security to get to Virgin Australia.

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>flight transfer time is before arrival

>>1229357
definitely. in the US, you have to pass customs even if you are transferring planes. A lot of people will try not to book tickets that stop in the US for this reason.

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>tfw im taking the plane for the first time in 2 months and have no idea what people are talking about ITT

>>1229357
depends. are you connecting from a domestic or international flight?

>>1229395
>>1229367
Oh shit, didn't know you had to go through customs. If you do have to switch terminals or do customs, then definitely too short.

>>1229357
Where are you flying in from?

>>1229357
Just to be clear, there's a layover where you switch planes? I know a lot of flights from the east coast to Australia make a stop at LAX.

I can't remember the last time I went through LAX and it wasn't a total cluster fuck.

It is such an outdated and disorganized airport.

Just to be clear, unless there is an issue at the airport that actually causes you to miss your flight, they will not reimburse you if you dont make it. The long lines excuse wont cut it. They base this on the fact that they believe people should have good enough judgement and not buy a flight that they cannot make.

>>1229367
You're fucked. Did you book your flights separately? are you checking bags? Does VA have an interline agreement with your connecting carrier?

If yes to any of the above, you're fucked.

Are you guys talking about booking your own flights and losing the connection? Literally every flight I have ever taken I have booked through a travel agent and connecting flights always work well

>>1230335
Duh, that's the only advantage of booking through one. They check for this stuff and know transit times for the different aiports.

>>1230338
>not booking directly from the airline

>>1230335
Just make sure its all on the same ticket. I told 10 people to fuck off today because they booked separately. Northeast had a lot of weather and a lot of people misconnected.

You might as well be on greyhound dude. You're on your own.

Your ticket is your contract from a-c. (in most cases, sometimes its contractually impossible)

Your itinerary means fuck all to me. Show me the ticket. Thats what you bought. not your shopping list.

T. airline fag that deals with misconnecting passengers all day long.

Protip: look up the itinerary online and see if you can purchase it through the airline's website. Even with connecting flights.

Here's my experience

>Be me, not American
>Arriving from Iceland
>Two Boeing 474 came from China before us
>Customs are full of asian people
>Oh_shit.jpg
>That smell of garlic
>Since they came first, we have to wait for them to finish the customs process.
>They don't know how to use the machine
>They can't speak or read english
>They are using literally every machine in the customs.
>Airport workers are absolute assholes, they yell to them to use the machines, in english.
>Maybe they are assholes because of the hour
>Oh shit, it's midnight
>Guy behind me, american, starts to enrage, doing heavy breathing and shit
>Dude, don't you smell the garlic?
>Line don't move
>American guy breathes even harder
>He tells one of the workers that he has to take a plane in 20 minutes
>Yeah, wait in the line
>He loses it and breaths as hard as he can
>umadbro.gif
>So airport workers are assholes to everyone not just foreigners
>Finally some machines start to be able to be used by non garlic eaters
>It's my turn
>Heavy breathing guy tries to jump the queue
>Sorry dude, my turn
>Got my paper from the machine, continue to the next step
>Got my passport stamped, now it's time to get my luggage
>Wait, flight number isn't anymore on the screens
>Fuck, where's my luggage?
>I start to heavy breath
>Start to look for my luggage in every luggage band
>Heavy breathing guy is looking for his luggage too!
>He starts to complain again with other workers
>Finally some kind worker, talks to the radio
>Our luggage was in the middle of the hall, and an airplane worker was waiting for us
>Took my luggage, heavy breathing guy takes his, and runs to an unknown destiny
>I left the airport 3 and a half hours after the plane landed

>>1229357

No, even on a VX flight you need to change terminals to TBIT and go through screening, then ICE.

>>1231217

My welcome-to-America moment: black/minority women shouting at weary travellers, many of whom don't speak english, about using the fucking machines. It seems like a completely retarded process. All in all, LAX fucking sucks, though I found the whole being shouted at thing happens at every airport, from DCA to BUF to EWR etc ad infinitum. Want efficient & polite service from airport security > New Zealand.

>>1231250
>My welcome-to-America moment: black/minority women shouting at weary travellers, many of whom don't speak english, about using the fucking machines.
Machines are for American citizens only, not for foreigners. How can an American citizen not speak English?

>>1231252

Lowqualitybait.gif

They're definitely for use by non-citizens...as an ESTA holder I was directed to use them, by the shouty menalin enhanced people.

>>1231250
American airports just seem to have the most rude officials I've seen anywhere. Well, except Israel.

>>1229362
you're comparing hong kong effiencency>ameritard imcoompetence

>>1229931
Not true. If the airline sold you the flight on onr itinerary they will either hold the plane, or put you on the next flight. Tell me you have never been on a plane that delayed takeoff because they were waiting for passengers from another plane on their network to arrive? If it is cut too short or delayed there will often be someone at the gate to rush you through security ans escort you to the next plane

>>1231282
I find it varies by airport. SEATAC is the worst

>>1231282
>he's never been the pvg

>>1229357
Be aware that with short layovers, there's a big risk of your bag not getting transferred on time to the next plane. Happened to me and a couple of other guys on the same flight.

>>1231293
>they will either hold the plane

Last time I saw an airline do that it was not this century.

>put you on the next flight.

This I have had them do as necessary.

>>1231311
But it will generally catch up with you eventually.

>>1229357
The possibility of your flight in being delayed by anything at all would make me very leery of a 45 minute connection, but that's just me, maybe.

A 45 minute layover that includes clearing any sort of passport control or customs would be insane.

>>1231282
Varies hugely by airport. Even within a city that has two airports the business culture may vary.

Frankfurt had the worst I ever encountered, but in their defense their were renovations going on, that caused huge slow lines, and the screening guys were dealing with a lot of cranky people all day.

>>1231332
I always give myself at least a 4 hour buffer (clear customs, get bag, go through security, check in). I also do this for domestic flights, even though you can leave out customs, going though security again is most likely a couple of hours to deal with, if changing airlines. If it's a single carrier stop over, I still leave 4 hours, as delays are common.

Ideally, fly direct if you can afford it.

>>1231217
AVOID ICELAND. Do not be tempted by low fares, Iceland Air and WOW Air suck and Reykjavik airport is shit. Their tap water smells like rotten eggs.

>>1231333
>tfw i'm flying into frankfurt soon

>>1231333
>>1231377
Frankfurt is shit for transferring even without renovations. Prepare for long walks/runs back and forth through the neverending corridors.

>>1231331
>Last time I saw an airline do that it was not this century.


I am anon upu are responding to and had it happen 3 times in the last six months.

My wife was flying to from BKK to ICN on Korean Air, boarding a Delta flight on ICN. The plane was late leaving from BKK. There was a Delta representative waiting at the gate, took them through the crew security line and escorted them to the next plane.

A little over a week later I was on the same itinerary, and we landed on time, but customs/security line was long. Delta/Korean Air representatives were waiting on the other side asking who was boarding the Delta flight, they radioed ahead to the gate and told them who was en route, then had reps positioned along the route giving directions to the Delta departure gate. Both of these were in November 2016.

The last Delta computer glitch, a fee months back, my wife and daughter was stranded in ATL. When the conputers came back up they waited like an hour for any transfers on their flight. Eventually they left and a lot of people didn't make it, still, though.

I have also been on plabes where we waited for someone. I tend to always fly SkyTeam, though. I have seen tnis with KLM, who id also SkyTeam

>>1231456
>I am anon upu are
I am the anon you are...

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>>1229357

From my experience in flying from Sydney to Eastern Canada multiple times, the transfer in LAX is shithouse on the way over, but on the way back it's okay.

On the way over (this is to get a flight to Toronto) you have to go through customs at LAX, grab your bag off a carousel, drag it to another carousel and drop it off again. Then you have to walk outside and along the sidewalk until you find your new gate, then go through the whole TSA song and dance before you get to your terminal. Once you get there it will be in a shitty old building with broken aircon (so fucking hot) and no good food, and you'll also be jetlagged as fuck because your flight left at 1pm in sydney and now its 9am again. I've had it take as long as two hours to get to my gate for the transfer

Coming back (toronto to syd) your bag goes all the way through and you clear US customs at toronto airport, and you also end up in a much new part of LAX with a few more food "options" (panda express is fucking nasty), you may have to grab a bus to switch terminals, I did this last time and the bus fucking broke down on the tarmac where the planes are so that took a while.

If your flight is a legal transfer i.e. you didn't book two seperate flights to save money, you just did destination -> destination I wouldn't sweat it, if you miss it for reasons beyond your control then they have to put you on the next flight. Not gonna lie 45 minutes may be pushing it.

>>1231377
>Iceland Air and WOW Air suck
>I always give myself at least a 4 hour buffer
>Their tap water smells like rotten eggs.
MOOOOOOOOOM!

>>1231333
Going to Frankfurt tomorrow, how long ago was this?

>>1231749
Are you transferring? If so, prepare for it to suck, renovations or not.

>>1231764
FRA is bad. It's Luftansa's Hub, and they treat it like a fortress. Even their fellow Star Alliance members get screwed over.

>>1231746
>found the ice nigger

>>1231795
Frankfurt is one of the easiest airports to transfer. Try Singapore or Amsterdam.

>>1231749
>>1231764

This, I have always had problems in Frankfurt, that often leave me spending the night in the airport. Thank goodness they have reclining/sleeping chairs, but I feel this is an acknowledgement of how much they suck and they know you are likely to be stranded until the next flight in the morning.

>>1231749
I have transfered in Amsterdam more than any other airport. Like ATL, it is large, but efficient. I have only flown in and out of Singapore, not transfer. I admit that it seems a shit show with budget airlines like Tiger and Scoot. I am >>1231764

>>1231807
^^^This is me, I meant to quote >>1231800

>>1231764
Nah i'm getting off the ride in Frankfurt fortunately

> had it happen 3 times in the last six months.

>>1231456
This is an acception, not a rule. It usually happens with international connecting passengers because, because they usually show up in large numbers and are a pain in the ass, and expensive to rebook.

On time performance is huge to an airline, as is interline agreements (customer sharing between airlines) So if the airline A knows they will piss off a lot of airline B's mutual customers, and have to deal with them, they might delay their flight to keep connections intact.

One random asshole? No, One random asshole who isnt on the same ticket? fuck no. One random asshole who booked seperate discount flights with carriers that dont even conduct business together, and you booked an illegal international connection?

Not only will I tell you to fuck off, thanks for the new story about retard travelers.

>>1231435

Tell me about it, I was flying AMS-BKK via FRA, both LHA flights, and had to swap terminals and walk at least 20 minutes, including descending and ascending fucking stairs. Haven't the krauts heard of escalators?

Boarded the flight & were offered an "upgrade" 1 row forward to "premium economy" at the bargain price of EU350. Fuck that. I waited until the cabin lights dimmed then went and lay down on 3 of them. Crew didn't bother ejecting me.

>>1232222
I agree not random asshole woth separate tickets ib the situations you mentioned, but I think THOSE situations are the exception. You say international connecting flights are the exception, but barring flying out of regional airports, most connecting flights are international period. I don't see in the OP where it can be assumed he is on separate tickets. And they won't wait a long time or escort you, but even for one person on domestic
flights they will hold the doors for a few minutes and call on the loudspeaker. Surely you havd heard names called while in the airport. In addition, to the anecdotes from my last post, there have been times I wss running to the plane as my name echoed across the airport. There was also an Emirates flight thya wss already boarded, and the pilot was going to still let me on, but I had too many checked bags (long term work trip)

>>1232276
Oh ya, I've given that final boarding call many a time. It's 1/2 curtisy, 1/2 "I paged you X amount of times so quit yelling at me for not being here" insurance. Usually if its post departure time and they're still paging you, they might not be just about you, they're just not quite ready to pushback yet.

I'm going to assume that a 46 minute connection time is a legal D-I connection, so that implies a separate booking. .Most Domestic to international connections are at least 1 hour, (it does vary based on proximity to the connecting carrier and if a security checkpoint is required, but airlines do like to play it safe)

I'm so fucking glad I dont have to deal with the public anymore, and only indirectly work with customers via airport/res agents.

/blogpost.

Is a 3 hours layover at CDG enough? I'm passing through immigration and taking a flight to Switzerland.

I've heard CDG is a confusing mess though.

>>1232657
Should be. As usual, if you're on the same ticket for both flights you have nothing to worry about.

>>1232670
In this case you just go to the next gate, which should be in the same terminal. There are some antiquated airports where the domestic and international terminals are separate and require a second security check (SFO? I haven't been there since their remodeling project, could have changed).

>>1232257
>burger needs to take the automatic stairs

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>1232907
>There are some antiquated airports where the domestic and international terminals are separate and require a second security check
I wouldn't say "outdated". At pretty much every airport I've been to you need to have a security check when going from domestic to international, or vice versa. I've seen this at least in Toronto, Frankfurt, and Hong Kong, so it's by no means an uncommon procedure.

>>1232657

That's probably 2E to 2F. You'll be fine.

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>>1232657
>Is a 3 hours layover at CDG enough?

Should be ample, I found CDG to be a fucking breeze as a point of entry. Seen some killer traffic trying to get to the airport once or twice,as some road construction was happening, but that won't impact you.

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>>1231259
>Melanin enhanced people

>>1231294
I actually had no issues with SEATAC, and I connected from a flight from NRT to a flight to ATL. Customs was a breeze.

>>1232924
anon is right. back in the 80s and 90s they remodeled the airports like shopping malls, security was lax and wandering around was encouraged.

Now its all about the checkpoint. and airports try to keep travelers inside the secure area as much as possible. So you dont need to be rescreened.

At an airport like LAX? Impossible, the horseshoe terminal shape means you will need to be rescreened. unless you have a rare neighboring gate.

I just flew from Toronto to Sydney Australia with a layover in San Francisco and the layover was an hour I believe. We didn't know where to go plus my cousin had to smoke and we had to go through security again and we still made it. Just as we got to the terminal they started letting people in and we had to wait like another 20-30 minutes for the plane to get boarded. I think 46 minutes should be fine but I don't know how much larger LAX is.

>>1231293
That may be the case sometimes but it is not always true. I had a 3 hour connection in Shanghai. You would think 3 hours would be enough time but no. I didnt eat or anything, spent the entire layover in lines. I missed my flight with about 5 other people in the same line and none of us were reimbursed. I was flying with China Eastern.

>flying from Manchester to Venice
>40 minutes in Bruxelles layover
>first time flying alone, looked like a good enough time
>breeze though customs thanks to based electronic passport, leaving behind 80% of the passengers who only had normal IDs
>realize I have 25 minutes to get to the other end of the airport
>start running, arrive at gate out of breath with 5 minutes to spare, only to see the bus leave
>woman at the gate calls in another bus
>I am literally the last person to enter the plane
>somebody has stolen my window seat
>slump into the free seat and sleep soundly until landing wakes me up
Less than an hour to get to any connecting flight is pretty rough

>>1234131
If the seat is listed on your boarding pass and somebody else is in it, just ask them to move. If they refuse, call the flight attendant over. Fuck if I'm taking a middle seat when I picked a window before the flight.

>>1234137
Depends on policy and the almighty contract of carriage.

There is a pre-departure time, where if you arent at the gate, (especially if youre "a runner")

Where the gate can reallocate your seat no matter what your check in, BP says.

Passengers. I cant stress this strong enough. Know your rights and the airlines rights. It's the contract of carriage. Literally what it means. Its a fuck contract.

When I worked the gate, I cant tell you how many times someone would threaten to sue for whatever the fuck reason. But I knew what the contract of carriage said. so I just chuckled to myself and said "well thats your option to pursue" Knowing they didnt have a leg to stand on, and my bosses would back me up. They dont realize its an empty/meaningless threat.

read the rules before you lecture others on them.

>>1232924
Going from an antiquated airport like LAX to a new airport like DEN is jarring.

>>1234300
>I worked the gate
Literally subhuman trash

>>1234453
10 years ago, gotta start somewhere, and you pick up some basic life skills as well.

For example, I can tell right off the bat you're the kind of know everything yet nothing retard that is most likely to run their mouth about shit they know nothing about... Just like you're doing right now. .

Arrogant, antagonistic, yet dumb as shit, Ive met you a thousand times. So go ahead and call me trash, water off a duck.

>>1234137
I was too tired to argue, any other time I'd have stood up for myself - people stealing my seat on planes/trains irks me to no end

>>1229432
How old are you?