Travelling to US and electronic device searches:

>>1202977
New laws came in at the start of this year and customs officials now have the right to inspect any electronic storage device, including phones and tablets and laptops, looking for evidence of illegal material or illegal activities. They have the right to demand receipts for any digital content they suspect may have been illegally downloaded, and the have the right to detain you until they can verify the age of any subjects depicted in any media that they suspect may be against child exploitation laws.

This is why airport officials suggest that passengers allow at least 8 months to clear customs and immigration at the airport.

You don't tell us when this year you will be traveling, so if your flight is before November you should go to the airport right now.

>>1202977
Just move any shit you don't want to be seen to an external HDD, leave it at home or whatever, then travel.

>>1202977
>I'M NOT A PEDO
Dont look and act like a pedo when you go.
Be friendly and relaxed. You'll look less suspicious that way.

>>1202979
> receipts for any digital content

Anon, is this shit a joke?

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Yo I have a question related to this:

Let's say you have everything encrypted ant it would be a pain in the ass for them to access your stuff without your password, do you have to give it to them ? What if only your fingerprint can let you into your computer, is that a different story ?

>>1202979

>allow at least eight months to clear customs and immigration

kek

>>1202977

If you're worried, then you should delete whatever garbage you have on your laptop prior to traveling. Toss it on a USB if you'd like. My understanding of electronic searches, however cursory, is that entail either manual sweeps of the storage or a download of all contents.

You'd have to raise some very red flags for customs and immigration to want to look through your phone or laptop. On my first trip, back in 2013, I was detained just prior to re-entry in the United States. I'd visited Turkey, Iraq, the Caucasus, India, and a handful of other oddball destinations. All that happened was I put into a big room with a bunch of brown people, made to wait for an hour, and then asked a couple questions.

My most recent flight into the United States brought me from New Delhi to Schiphol and then into Detroit. I was selected for random secondary screening. I had a laptop and two cell phones with me. The customs agent did a very half-hearted search of both my bags - I think he stopped before getting through either one.

I've also been second to secondary at a land-border crossing between Detroit and Windsor. My entire "criminal history" was printed off and officers made me open all the compartments on my motorcycle (they were decent people, though - one of them even came over to talk to me about my bike after I was cleared inside the office).

Never was I asked to submit my cell phone, laptop, or any other electronic device to a tech to be searched, and my travel history is probably a lot more bizarre than yours (given that you have to ask this question).

Don't sweat about it, but also don't be stupid enough to try smuggling in any sort of contraband that could land you in jail (CP, whatever).

>>1203007

Not him, but obviously. Copyright infringement cases go through civil court - they're not criminal offenses, and such a requirement would be unreasonably harsh.

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>>1203031
They are literally not going to go through your shit most of the time unless you give them reason to or look sketchy.


What the fuck do you have on your laptop is so fucking spooking you out?

>>1203033
>Toss it on a USB if you'd like

This, if it's so weird just fucking leave it on a USB HDD or USB flash drive at home, or upload it to google drive or some shit and download it back down

>>1203034
A metric shitload of pirated shit on my external hard drive.
I've also done some security testing in the past and I still have all kinds of software relating to that on my computer. I don't want them to think I'm some kind of hackerman .

>>1203039
>A metric shitload of pirated shit on my external hard drive.
No one gives a shit about this
>I've also done some security testing in the past and I still have all kinds of software relating to that on my computer.
No one gives a shit about pen testing software. Do you realize how many people in IT travel? They have way more shit than whatever you think you have on your laptop. If it's that worrysome just reinstall it after customs.

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>>1202977
>Have any of you anons ever been subjected to an electronic search by officers when traveling abroad?

No, in 20 years of traveling abroad moderately frequently. I have had my bags physically searched three times, twice I think I just drew the random search, once I had some tea from China that looked, on the baggage x-ray, like it might contain seeds that would germinate and be a potential agricultural pest. I also got pulled one in Colombia, about to board a plane, and x-rayed myself, a random draw looking for anybody that swallowed condoms full of drugs, I think. Got to see my bones and everything.

Security used to ask me to switch on electronics from time to time, just to show they are real working electronics, but that was it.

>Is it intensive?

In my experience, it is non-existent.

>How do they search for questionable?

I suppose they get onto your device and poke around, look at history, look at images, look for obviously hidden shit...

Here is a thought -- if you are worried about it, don't travel with questionable shit on your computer.

>>1203007
He is deadly serious, it now takes up to 6 months to transit an airport at your point of entry.

>>1203031
>Let's say you have everything encrypted ant it would be a pain in the ass for them to access your stuff without your password, do you have to give it to them ?

OK, "You have everything encrypted ant it would be a pain in the ass for them to access your stuff without your password, do you have to give it to them ?"

Laws vary by country, of course, but in general the situation would be that if they ask to see something and you don't want to show it to them, you will not be carrying it with you into the country.


What if only your fingerprint can let you into your computer, is that a different story ?

No, why would it be? But again, laws vary by country.

I bet OP just wants to bring back some doujins from japan and doesn't want to declare it.

>>1202977

I hate this website so much

>>1203039
dude I travelled to defcon in the states with all sorts of tools, dumps and password lists etc on my laptop as well as lockpicks and all kinds of other suspicious shit.
They don't care about you unless you have some big red flags against your name, like serious convictions or terror related links.

>>1202977
>I may have some 'questionable' things but I'M NOT A PEDO.
Just tell us what it is you creep. They wouldn't give a shit unless it's against the law, and the only thing against the law they would explicitly understand is baby dicks

>>1203046
>No one gives a shit about this
Dude have you not seen that show 'Border Security'? Practically every episode they bust someone with pirated movies on their tablet or laptop. Many of them never see the light of day from their prison cell again.

>>1202977
Do yourself a favour, remove any content that you consider private, encrypt it with PGP, rename them something benign, and upload it to a file server or Mega but not Dropbox or cloud storage.. Wipe your system(s) clean (delete, file over-write including free space) and you are good to go. Retrieve later when you've passed through the border.

Canada Customs (CBSA) will ask for you to unlock your devices for inspection. Refusal to do so will result in refusing entry.

There has been some debate about encrypted files.. if they see any and you refuse to give the encryption keys they may seize the device (forfeiture to The Crown) and bar entry and may also issue you a 2 yr exclusion order. And they could put you into a holding cell designed to intimidate and ask you questions like: "do you look at porn?" "what types of porn?" etc. Although you have the right not to answer any questions (they may not tell you that) they just need you to admit to viewing porn online. They are looking for a way to legally bar you from entry. The CBSA bullies like to power trip.

All that said, the saying: "an ounce of prevention.." is totally rellevant. Clear your devices and save yourself from a bunch of needless suffering.

I wish I could tell you Canada is a fair & progressive society but we really aren't, we're just good at pretending we are. Your concerns over seemingly benign images is well founded in this age of State paranoia, Canada's obscenity laws can be inconsistant and loosely interpretted. A Bart & Lisa Simpson incest drawing joke while funny and perfectly legal in other countries is technically CP under Canadian law. Your Legal-Aid lawyer gets paid only $210 to defend you, so you get a piss-poor defense, SO status sucks. (yay! Canada. Arent we great?).

But once you're in.. have a good time, eh! :^)

>>1202977
>>1203517

Canada relevant: http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/investigates/rcmp-digital-roadblocks-1.3850018

>>1203517
Can't tell if you're trolling and mocking OPs ignorance like >>1202979 or if you are making some sincere paranoid rant about your government.

>>1203530
why, what's it to you?

>>1203848
Who are you working for? Answer me!

>>1203052
>>1203031
>>1203517


>>1203033 here.

Canadian Customs and Immigration are especially harsh. I can't believe how many checks they run at secondary screening. I felt like a criminal just trying to get across the border.

At any rate, refusing to allow authorities access to your electronic device could lead to one of several outcomes:

1. They'll download the contents of your had drive and refuse to let you enter the country until after it has been scanned.
2. They'll download the contents of your hard drive or seize your laptop and allow you to enter the country, with the possibility that you might be arrested upon exit if anything questionable is found.
3. They'll seize your laptop and either allow you to enter or bar entry.

They can keep your electronics indefinitely.

Seriously - don't be a fucking moron. If you have something illegal or questionably legal, do not take it over international borders unless you are capable of dealing with the inherent risk. Taking a laptop full of jailbit photos or whatever else you have is as stupid as trying to smuggle a bag full of marijuana.

If you don't need it and you're afraid it'll cause problems, fucking leave it at home or get rid of it. Are you going to risk your freedom or the value of your laptop for whatever you have?

https://ca.yahoo.com/news/rcmp-unit-plays-cat-mouse-103000469.html

>>1202977
Just say you're a jew and you'll get a fast process, not even joking.

>>1205180
>OP's name turns out to be Mohammed.

kek

>>1205175
>Time-consuming work can take months

This is why OP was told to allow 8 months to pass security.

>>1203891
Are you American? I've never had an issue.

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>>1203033
>>1203891
Is this sort of Orwellian shit standard, like do they poke around in every single phone/laptop that enters the country or do you have to be a sketchy type for them to even bother with it? Is probable cause even a factor?

I have absolutely nothing to hide, but I'm a big believer in "who watches the watchmen?" A human system is inherently flawed and just because someone wears a uniform doesn't mean they won't misuse my data, content, or log-in information.

I'm kind of OCD about this, I guess I can just change my passwords after the fact that this even goes down is disgusting. It's the principle of it. Don't I have a right to travel without being harassed?

>>1203521
This shit legitimately horrifies me, the thinking behind it, warrantless access to "basic" information? Do we just treat average citizens as though they were criminals by default now?

Wipe your computer, reinstall Windows. Microsoft recommends doing it regularly anyway, so you're probably overdue.

Alternatively just don't bring your CP PC. It will be inconvenient at times, but I'm sure you'll have a phone and you're not going to die without it for a few months.

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>>1202979
>if your flight is before November you should go to the airport right now.

>>1205505
I have never been searched and I look like someone who should probably be searched.

Use LUKS to encrypt your entire disk. Take the disk out of your computer and replace it with a different one with a fresh Windows install. If they ask you to power it on (which is a thing now), everything will look normal and your drive will be blank. The drive in your luggage will be encrypted, so even if they asked you to put that in your laptop and power it on, they wouldn't be able to access your files.

For the even more paranoid, use FDE (full disk encryption), where you can't even boot your laptop without having an external USB with a specific key on it that will unlock your bootloader.

>>1207429
>Guy in customs allowed to access your data to control what comes into the country
>"Sorry, asshole, it is encrypted..."

And then what? You think they will say 'Well, it's encrypted, I guess you can just take it with you, enjoy your visit to our fair country!"

>>1205505
Sorry, know,you do not have the right to cross borders and bring anything into a country that you want to bring. Sorry if that is hard for you to grasp.

>>1207454
Yeah. This could currently be somewhat problematic in the UK, but they're not gonna fucking check your extra hard drive unless you're on a watchlist already. If they do in the USA, you're not legally obliged to give up a decryption password.

>>1203031
>your password, do you have to give it to them?

Currently, that is an open question. For any targeted investigation, they can require you to give up your password, but for "because you crossed the border" searches, those are merely fishing expeditions and the law doesn't yet say that you are required to give up your password for that.

HOWEVER, this merely means that you can be the test case for a long and expensive legal fight that goes all the way to the Supreme Court.

No, I'm not joking.

Unfortunately, for all the good things that Trump campaigned on, the one area where he really does suck is in forced searches and encryption. He's stated that he wants laws that will force tech companies to build backdoors into devices, and other statements he's made indicate that he doesn't think private citizens have any right to refuse a government search for anything. Note however that his position is not significantly different from any of our last two presidents, nor from Clinton's position.

If you're really paranoid, get Truecrypt or whatever the latest follow-on project to it is, and encrypt a hidden partition. Supposedly there is no way to prove that one exists, so you will only need to worry that a judge refuses to believe you and throws you into jail for contempt of court. BTW, that sort of thing can last indefinitely; there have been people held for years because a judge refused to believe that, for example, they weren't hiding money somewhere.