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Have you heard about MGTOW? Opinions?
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>>9467740
didn't the mods already said that this shit isn't /Pol/ material
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Beta cucks
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>>9467740
jews and leftists trying to drag us in nothingness along with their kind
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>>9467740
They are the definition of cringe and Incel. Elliot Rodger would join that shit.
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You need national socialism , the Jews want to cuck you so bad that you can't return to normal life , don't fall for it
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>>9467740
>Feminism: Whiny Bitchboys Edition
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>>9467740
They are necessary, because women are here to destroy us. Unless we can take control of them.
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>>9467742
>marrige
>alpha
pick one
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>>9467740
Yes and it's bullshit. These people gave up and are quiters, cowards and weak.
If you can't reign in your wives then just give up on having a wife. Pathetic.
sage kill yourself.
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>>9467749
Good goy
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>>9467740
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From what I've observed, they're usually divorced men or those who have been in LTRs with plenty of nightmare stories to tell each other and start to notice behavioural patterns specific to women. Just like with everything else men are interested in, they've gotten women figured out better than niggers. Now that women have much more power and leverage now the older and wiser men are trying to warn the younger naive men from having their lives ruined because of bonding hormones and sex drive.

Until sentient robots with artificial wombs are a reality, the paradox of desiring a family while avoiding still exists and MGTOW has to face up to that.

>>9467750
Yes. Lots of idealistic good goys here these days. Most of them polled as young virgins.
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Same thread, multiple times a day.

What's the gameplan here?

What's the endgame?

Why won't you faggots stop stroking your own cocks?
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what if i told you that my opinion on this does not matter since i am a low value male what then
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>>9467753
We live now in a very demented world, so they gameplan is to become Goku and the end game is VR and robot waifus.
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>>9467752
>don't date actually religious women

Which will be probably conservative and want a traditional family instead of just going to church two times a year before banging Jamal.

>don't date multilingual ones

Although women are more linguistically gifted and will learn new languages more easily if not retarded without being foreign or autistic.

>don't date women which will cook

Although it is natural for taditional women to want to be a good homemaker.

>don't date blondes and redheads

Nice try, Shlomo, trying to destroy the last chance for a future for white children with this bullshit.
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>>9467756
I've turned a Christian woman into an agnostic who meditates and inquires about metaphysics instead of going to church anymore. It's all about what male or even group they associate with and choose to emulate. Send a religious girl to university and she'll become a degenerate.

And redheads are crazy. Few deny this.
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>>9467740
men grabbing their own weiners
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Sour grapes movement for men who aren't able to get girls anyway. They just want to make it seem like it's their decision when, in reality, they're usually complete spastics.
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>>9467740
Artificial wombs will make women obsolete within the next 10-20 years. Anyone who says MGTOW is bluepilled because you are removing yourself from the gene pool is retarded.
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>>9467757
Sure, women are easy to "manipulate" as it's their nature to learn from their man but it's easier if you get a "naive" christian one which wasn't riding the dick carousel instead of a "christmas christian" which is already fucked up and only acts religious to gain shit.

Sure, don't go for batshit crazy religious nuts but those are a small minority, not worth making all religious ones look bad (t. agnostic).

Nah, natural redheads aren't crazy. It's just that society implements that picture and those lucky ones being born with red hair thing its something "cute" to reenact. Well and artificial redheads are shit.
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>>9467759
It is still better for these men to become MGTOW than to waste time trying to get girls and failing.
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>>9467762
No, cause if they would try they could actually get a girl and a happy life instead of being salty and bitching about it on the internet ruining fellow young men.
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If you want to be a virgin be my guest but don't act like it's something to be proud of. Or that you are actually a virgin out of choice.
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>>9467763
This tbqh.
Most of the time their situation is amendable (could work out, improve social skills, etc), but they just decide not to.
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>>9467759
>women can do know wrong ur just jeluz
It's pretty lame to dismiss and entire method of thought by lumping it in with people you happen to not like.
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>>9467756
The biggest whore I knew in University met her husband at Church. She'd fuck almost anything with a pulse regardless of gender including niggers & Arabs.
I nearly died laughing.
Poor guy was a good white Christian carpenter because that's what Jesus did. Arguably the nicest person I ever met.
She mentioned missing the University days.
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mgtow is just men saying yep we wana fuck without paying much in response to feminist you gota pay more for ugly pussy movement
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>>9467766
Most of the time it is beta males who do MGTOW.
No one's saying that women can do no wrong, but these people are essentially blaming women for not liking them.
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>>9467761
One word: hypergamy.
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>>9467765
did all of this, the game is still rigged.

I won´t boy down to a fucking bitsh for some pussy.

as soon as women are not able to treat me as a man as equal and our law and society takes all my possibillitys to force her to submit away, i won´t enter a relationship.

It´s about regulating the market.

You become chad, make a desire, and tell them why they won´t get you.
It´s haggling the price by redefining the social norms.
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>>9467767
Well, we're speaking about probabilities. Sure there are christian whores, but it's less likely than finding them amoungst atheists leaning towards nihilism.

But considering he was himself a naive christian, she might simply have changed the roles, "outsmarting" the sexual market getting a religious and slithly dumb husband for using him for her own gain.

Let's be honest, that's what men are supposed to do with naive women.
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>>9467767
That's unrestrained hypergamy in a nutshell.

>>9467769
Disagree. Most people who knock MGTOW are on this site and constantly lament about their virginity and inability to get a gf.
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>>9467749
>says France of all people
https://www.ibdna.com/paternity-testing-ban-upheld-in-france/
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>>9467740
100% beta fucks... b a alpha.. fuck!!
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>>9467772
All the biggest whores I've met have been "religious Christians" including a swinger couple who attends church every Sunday.
I put it between quotations because you can't be religious and singers.
IMO the only consistently decent white girls these days are Mormons but their religion is ridiculous.
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>>9467771
>did all of this, the game is still rigged.

Nah, you're probably just not attractive. No matter how fit you get, you're still will not get "alpha" or get taller.

Don't blame women for wanting the best one on the market, that's evolution and human nature. Decrease your standards, as you obviously can't get the cream de la cream. I see such guys regularly, bitching about all the 8+ which don't want to date them just because they have a six pack while ignoring women more on their level.
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>>9467776
Might be a north american thing. In europe being atheist is the standard so if you declare yourself religious you usually are really religious but in a healthy way.
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>>9467755
>the end game is VR and robot waifus.
I approve of this.
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>>9467777
I´m cute af when i´m out women dance at me i get hit on by hot guys a lot, and i can read females who get extremely wet when talking to me because me MGTOW lifestyle gives me the freedom to be proud of my aggression, my maleness and to embrace it.

I don't fear all this "oooh im making my holes unnaviable" shit i am free.
I can tell them what i think about them, i can behave the way i want.

And, especially since i am that way, I reject women more than they reject me.
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>>9467772
They're usually whores that find Jesus IMO
A lot of former pornstars like Nina Hartly are born again Christians.
Remember Joseph was cucked & Jesus was nice to whores
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>>9467760
you can make artificial wombs but you'll never replace the warm embrace and nether regions of a female who actually loves you

MGTOW is a sad pathetic way to define your life with your social failings.
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>>9467740
this is what the west needs. it will cause a pussy glut and the pussy market value will fall like a rock

bitches are to picky . they all think they deserve some guy with rock hard abs who looks like a model but they are nagging you constantly to do something when half the fucking time they are the only one who cares so why dont they just fucking do it?
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>>9467780
>calling himself "cute" as a male
>talking about making women "extremely wet"
>thinks MGTOW is "aggressive" and full of "maleness"

You know, everyone can read the autism in your words. It's like a mantra of empty words you repead to reasure yourself, fellow Hans. And it'S the reson germany is dying because men like you think being a evolutionary dead end is being alpha.
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The male version of foreveralone feminists
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>>9467780
If anything /pol/ has taught us it's that the world has become a degenerate freak show circus on the verge of collapse both cultural and economic. He can pretend we can bring back a traditional utopia through individual will power, but it's not going to happen. This is bizzaro world is unfolding now, and men rejecting women who show interest in them is just part of that process. Those who tell you to find a rural good girl unicorn will be in for a rude awakening.
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you are all pussies
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>>9467786
You might want to read into the Mouse Utopia Experiment before laughting at people who try to fight that scenario.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4GQV2HkGmY
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>>9467782
>a female who actually loves you
I see someone finally found their first GF. Come back when the honeymoon period is over.
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>>9467786
There are still lots of good women in the suburbs and rural areas.

Get out of your shitty city for once in your life
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>>9467791
>good women
no such thing
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>>9467784
My face is cute,
I am aggressive and /fit/
MGTOW is a tool and it allows you self fulfillment.
I i want to fulfill myself as an aggressive and manly person, MGTOW gives me the possibility to do that without worrying about if any women would like me how i love me.

>>9467786
Every women you turn down will know that she can´t have you, if she knows that that´s because she doesn´t treat you as an equal and neither is willing to submit, it will make her think.

Also, if you don´t fuck many girls, and many girls want to fuck you, it gives you more value on the sex market.
This is exactly the reason why real women are far more desirable than sluts.

You can define the rules, you just have to be patient, and be able to not stick your dick into any wet hole which opens up to you.

This is exactly why women are winnig this, because they can have sex EVERYTIME THEY WANT and we have to "pay" for it by behaving like they want.

They want sex as much as we, they need it as much as we, so we have to make that clear for them, and not trow away our sexuality like it was nothing; even "pay" for it by being nice or inviting them to dinner and stuff.
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>>9467792
Stay bitter
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>>9467790
we broke up, sadly. Circumstances got in the way. But it was fun while it lasted. Why do you have such a dim view of a loving relationship?
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>>9467793
>I i want to fulfill myself as an aggressive and manly person, MGTOW gives me the possibility to do that without worrying about if any women would like me how i love me.

So you want to be a aggressive man without actually fullfilling the main role of a man, that is reproduction?

You're merely larping because you're afreaid of the real male responsibility. You want the "cute" stuff without actually having to deal with the shit which makes a man a man.
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>>9467794
stay deluded
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>>9467793
m8, these fuckers dont understand because they never had girls chase after them, i saw through their bullshit since i was 13 and stayed monk
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>>9467782
>implying that advanced sexbots will never exist
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>>9467797
Stay sheltered
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>>9467746
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiODc8vS31U
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mgtow is stupid as fuck...go out and conquer women.Before that go to the gym,learn martial arts,have a purpose in life.And never be a white knight or nice to women.
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Transhumanism is the future
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>>9467788
You might want to stop citing, like every other brainlet with no interest Calhoun's field of study, a single archaic study about the behaviour of mice in an overcrowded prison.
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>>9467803
>>126555555
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>>9467740
I still make fun of them, but can see where they're coming from with how a lot of women are nowadays. Still, flaunting it is pretty obnoxious and what attracts a lot of the hate.
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>>9467740
>Have you heard about MGTOW?
No, m8, totally the first time I ever hear about it
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>>9467740
Fucking stupid. The west is already dying because of low birth rates, so lets avoid women completely.. Who's behind this I wonder? Hmm...
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>>9467799
yeah a sexbot will be the only mother your child will know
I pity mgtow-ers.
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In EVERY MGTOW thread you get the same discourse:

1) Inexperienced but horny kiddos think every guy just want to fuck anything that moves and the entirety of social interaction revolves around fucking and MGTOWs are fat autistic virgin neckbeards who can't get laid.

2) Actual MGTOWs who are experienced grown men who are warning about the dangers of women + the state vs you, and how you can be easily taken for all you've got.

3) The "Yes, thats right goy - dont reproduce" jew shills - yes JEW SHILLS. The thing (((they))) want you to do is YES reproduce children to a raving tinder psycho / bar slut who will NEVER grow up and you will be raising her as well as your kids until she bails on you and takes half your shit after dragging you through divorce court.

The jew agenda is NOT to stop whites reproducing, its to produce a WEAKER generation with poor parents so the state can bacome the new parents. No reproduction means no goy-cows for milking. Why the fuck would (((they))) not want a new generation of tax-slaves. (((They))) own the banking system AND the law courts / judicial process.

(((The agenda))) is all about making money from broken individuals from broken families - NOT stopping reproducing.

MGTOW is redpilled because its men refusing to get fucked over by the jew system - and (((they))) are worried. (((They))) are worried that (((they))) have pushed the feminist "high maintainance woman" meme too far and thought mn would become pussyfied slaves to nagging bitches and never thought men would just go their own way.
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>>9467791
I've lived in the suburbs, small town, and mostly rural. Try again.
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>>9467796
Part of being a man is to not give a fuck on other opinions and do exactly what is right for you (and your people)

I have time, women don´t you can marry and breed downwards, even with 30 you can still get a 20 year old chick.

I will settle down, but on my terms, and those include equal treatment and/or submission from my woman.
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>>9467740
Permavirgin pathetic losers saying its a social or political statement that they are a waste of oxigen and find blaming women and society for their own weaknesses easier than fixing their pathetic lifes.
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>>9467804
>Goy, this study in mamal sexual behaviour has absolutely nothing to do with your way of life. Keep MGTOW, all white women are trash, go your one way, children are only a burden.

It's sad that so many of you simply give up instead of trying and growing while at the same moment thinking that you'Re some kind of alpha knowing it all.

Stay genetical dead ends.
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>>9467809
>implying you couldn't program a robot with AI to have mothering abilities
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>>9467740
Just bunch of man Childs that want to play vidyas all day without the love of a woman. It's unproductive and they should kill themselves
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>>9467810
>The jew agenda is NOT to stop whites reproducing, its to produce a WEAKER generation with poor parents


Actually most people here advise on getting a GOOD women instead of fucking trash stacies.

There's something in between, which was the basis of generations for millenia.
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>>9467815
>a robot nanny that is also a sex bot
>not pathetic at all
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>>9467741
The personal IS the political.
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>>9467763
What makes you think that they could get a girl, and that if they did they would be happy?

>>9467765
That still won't fix bad genetics.
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>>9467816
So playing vidya all day WITH the love of a woman is productive?
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Men need to have higher standards of those women they choose to give their attention to. Its easy to attract bar sluts by throwing money at them, but this is not macho alpha-redpilled behaviour because anyone can do it. Men need to learn some self control and if they are dealing with an un-motherly tinder psycho - yes you can get laid, but theres no lasting relationship there.

By restricting who we give attention to, we are creating a better caliber of woman because they have to up their game. All these tinder psychos and bar sluts are created and made worse by riding the "cock carousel".

You never hear the concept of an alpha-woman on /pol/ because /pol/ for the most part have never concieved such a notion.

Go on dates and meet women. An alpha women is motherly, mannered and courtious and wont fuck you after a few dates. An alpha woman is breeding material. Not a crazy slut. Resist the primal, base level, neanderthal thinking to just get laid, and keep your dick in your pants and have some standards of behaviour - not just "shes hot and up for it"

Alpha women do exist.
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Its because we threw out the notion that you need your spouse to survive. "Welfaire" should only exists for widows or the naturally retarded, of course this is only sustainable if the government where willing to subsidize sterilizing anyone with an IQ under 110. (On a volunteer basis using a targeted add campaign.)
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>>9467801
Mgtow and feminism are both filled with bitter people mad at the opposite sex as a whole

Mgtowism and feminism both push for the destruction of the family unit

Mgtowism and feminism both want women in the work force so they can be stronk and independent(don't need no man).

Mgtows believe they should be able to abandon their kids and feminists believe women should be left to raise children by themselves

Both mgtows and feminists whole ideology is completely self indulgent with no foresight or concern for others or society as a whole.

Most mgtows or feminists I've met are just mad at the opposite sex because they got screwed over in their last relationship. Instead of realizing some people are just shitty, and bad relationships are a part of life, they turn their hate for their ex into a hate for the opposite sex
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>>9467820
>What makes you think that they could get a girl, and that if they did they would be happy?

Nothing, but it's in my opinion worth to try instead of giving up and living a lie just to not face the fact that one either such a failure or weakling of character that one didn't even try.

Having a family is the way humans evolved to life. It's what makes us happy in the long run. Sure we can lie to ourselves because life nowadays is hard and shitty, but at least yuo can die with the knowledge that you tried. No trash stacie will wait on your death bed with you or care for anything you archived in your life. You will be nothing more but a number in the capitalist system.
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>>9467817
Yes - I agree

See:>>9467822
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MGTOW is great tbqhwyf.
Unfortunately, foolish men (such as myself) have tried to have girlfriends instead of listening and got burned terribly.
Thankfully I never intend to make the mistake of allowing a woman near me again.
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>>9467823
>Welfaire
>should only exists
>where willing
>add campaign
Very well then,
>anyone with an IQ under 110
We'll start with you.
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>>9467821
Absolutely not, I can't argue that say 1 or 2 hours a day of video games is bad, totally go for it. But from there and spend the entire day behind the screen is bad, healthywise.
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>>9467827
You tell em' eggy!
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>>9467827
Post a selfie pls.
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>>9467822
This is pretty much true. Unfortunately it'd be almost impossible to actually get men to go along with such a thing en masse, so most women have no need to actually improve themselves or stop skanking it up.
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Unlike feminists, they're don't seem to have a political agenda and this is a +1 for me. Besides, I've never been bothered by MGTOWs.

So yeah, I don't care about them.
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>>9467814
>Goy, this study in mamal sexual behaviour has absolutely nothing to do with your way of life.
It was actually about behavioural change that shifted from cooperation to the mouse prison descending into violence driving it into extinction. Did you even read the study?

I don't think in terms of alpha or beta like an insecure little boy. By the way, those terms come from a debunked wolf study. You should stop using false dichotomies to describe human interaction.
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>>9467833
>they don't seem
Fix'd.
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>>9467740
MGTOW can't fix the system, only civil war can.
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>>9467810
and this wraps up the thread. Saved.
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>>9467833
>Unlike feminists, they're don't seem to have a political agenda

Because men don't need the polizical sphere to express their ideologies. But it's much worse. While feminists will make you do X, MGTOWs will make you believe that making Y is the best solution.

While feminists will fuck you up and make your life shit, MGTOW will literally make you steril as a man. It's much more dangerous especially because men have more willpower and if decided will gladly die off believing it's the best decision they ever made.
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>>9467834
Yes, I've read it and "alpha" "beta" is a sterotyp of males more than a real specific concept found in reality. Welcome to the internet, Canuck.
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>>9467838
If some men believe in this bullshit, then they're in the right movement. I wouldn't want a weak-minded man by my side. Thankfully, they won't pass their beta genes and have miserable children.
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>>9467748
>convincing a women to eternalyl bind themselves to you forever isnt alpha
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>>9467812
I respect the position of being completely in control of your relationships and you life, but having to do it under the flag of a movement created for and by beta cucks is just like being in a cuckold relationship with a woman.

Man up and take your position of not being easy for woman as your own and not as that of a shitty movement.
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>>9467842
Its a label I came to this conclusion by myself, it´s like the word "knive" it describes something, so that everybody knows what is meant.
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>>9467823
Knocks on door of your bullshit fantasy sterilisation office...
Ummm hello i have an average iq please kill me.
Fukin idiot
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Its a bunch of disgusting unsexable men screeching "sour grapes"
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>>9467840
>Thankfully, they won't pass their beta genes and have miserable children.
The problem is environmental you diseased monkey.
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>>9467846
>environmental
How so? It's not like real life MGTOWs are trying to influence other people outside the internet.
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>>9467843

Shit argument. A knife is named after the object that it describes. If a knife changes then the word knife mean something different because the object defines the name.

Movements on the other hand are labels that are created, defined, and controlled completely by others. By taking on that label you can't change the labels meaning but you completely allow yourself to be defined by it's connotations and the organizers of the movement.

The only reason to define yourself in terms of a movement and not in terms of your own personal opinions (even if you agree with the movement on some level) is "muh sense of belonging" which is no matter than being a cuckold because "muh love if a woman"

And there is not way the MGTOW movement can entirely encompass your thoughts and actions in any capacity, people are too complex for that. If you say that it can than I wouldn't even consider you human at that point.

Im not trying to attack you personally here man. I'm just trying to get you to the point where the idea of being in complete control of your action, relationships and character dosent just apply to your relationships with women, but also your relationships with everything in your life, political and social movements included.

God speed senpai. Just food for thought.
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>>9467848
I literally wrote senpai but it autocorrected to senpai. I'm cucked by Auto correct.
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>>9467849
Please God make it stop
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>>9467849
>>9467850
lol
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>>9467740
i dont hate mgtows for fucking off
but why does silently going into the night suddenly involve making a thread every day?
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>>9467824
/thread
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>>9467852
Because even going "their own way" they are to weak to go it alone.
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>>9467848
I knife is also a concept the actual knife is named after your concept.
This is how a concept works, we both have the picture of a knife in our heads, but yours probably looks completely different from mine.

But we still know what characteristics our "knife" has so that we know what it is without having to say something like "a cutting device with a handle and a blade"

It´s the same with MGTOW
On the highest level of generalisation/abstraction MGTOW means Men going their own way.

Nothing more or less, what most people see in it is what most people refer to maybe something like:
Men who stay out of relationships because it does more harm than use for them

But in detail nobody is going to mean the exact same thing.

It still helps.
It´s not for a sense of belonging it´s finding a base of discussion without saying things like "a tool which with a sharp blade and a handle which is used for cutting things"

MGTOW is a label and if some movements uses this label, it´s alright, but for me it´s still a label, and a label is there for being used that way.
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>>9467761
Natural redheads are crazy though, coming from a guy who used to exclusively date redheads. Literally every single redhead is batshit insane, I've never met one who is mentally stable.
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Japan is the future

/thread
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>>9467841
>thinking women actually plan on binding eternally to you rather than suing you for everything you got
Wew lad the bluepill sure is strong.
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>>9467780
>t. Closeted gay man
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>>9467817
She'll never love you, she just uses you.
I refuse to pay for love.
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>>9467740

Same as feminist just worse. They have couple of good points and lot of fallacies. Man and women should be together. Only losers "go their own way".
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>>9467856
It's muh egyptian nobility genes!!!
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>>9467859
schhhh don't tell em... ;)
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>>9467740
More like ICGAP
I can't get any pussy.

The only real thing about a man turning away from women is the autism
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>>9467858
>thinking all women are evil kikes rather than seeing them as individuals which depend on which one you choose

The bluepill is believing that all X are Y and therefore rather dying off than taking the time and select one which does match yourself.

It's no different than fdeminists calling all men rapists.
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>>9467740
>Have you heard about MGTOW?
You must be new around here

>Opinions?
Its stupid and doesn't work
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>>9467860
Just like you use her for getting loved. Ther is no such a think like altruism. Everything needs a reason to do something.

You pay with your personality, and if your personality is shit, with your money.
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>>9467810

There are two groups in that forum:

1) old /r9k/ "Im ugly and cant score shit, therefore I hate them"

2) People who suffered with divorces (a minority)

At least 66% of /pol/ is part of the first. Get fucked.
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>>9467841
>eternal bond
Or you know. Till the divorce.
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>>9467825
>Nothing, but it's in my opinion worth to try instead of giving up and living a lie just to not face the fact that one either such a failure or weakling of character that one didn't even try.
Have fun getting rejected or falsely accused of rape.

>Having a family is the way humans evolved to life. It's what makes us happy in the long run.
Tell that to all the men who got divorce raped. Or all the couples that fell out of love and hate each other.
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>>9467818
What is your personal definition of pathetic? Also the sexbots and maidbots can be 2 different robots.
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>>9467870
>Have fun getting rejected or falsely accused of rape.

Yeah, because dating a women for a couple months till you can learn more about her, her family and past before even considering to fuck her will result in a rape allegation. Why do you people always have to go to the extrems just because a hand full of guys did fuck a mentaly unstable bitch? Just be smarter and learn about the signs and what to avoid. There will always be some danger in human interactions, but if you want to be sure not to get burned you might just as well just kill yourself. That's anything but manly.

>Tell that to all the men who got divorce raped.

Again, a minority of a minorty thanks to gynocentrism which could be handled if men would men up instead of bitch in the internet and allow such whoes to flourish.
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>>9467740
Ultimately, MGTOW is one of the worst long-term decisions to make - the sexual market shall adjust soon, when a retort to tradition may return

It's basically one of those passive options clearing the available market of men to either: A - Hook up with and have sex with, maybe a relationship; or B - marriage material.

People expect those who subscribe to the loose ideals of MGTOW are not 'alpha males' - these people probably have minimal next to no experience with women whatsoever, and to, therefore take no responsibility, they tend to loathe women.

Tl;dr - fuck MGTOW.
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>>9467824
Feminism wants women to be given free shit through government fiat. MGTOW try to change the system by men walking away from the system.
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>>9467757
Explain about redheads being crazy - I find them to be simply amusing.
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yes goy don't have white babies, spend your money on materialistic shit instead
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>>9467874
Kek are you this retarded or just trolling?
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>>9467877
It's the "feminism is about equality"-meme dictionary explanation for MGTOWs
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>>9467872
>Yeah, because dating a women for a couple months till you can learn more about her, her family and past before even considering to fuck her will result in a rape allegation.
It's not just false rape accusations that can potentially happen. Dating a woman can get ridiculously expensive. You're expected to take her on dates, buy her lots of stuff, take her out to eat, comfort her, pamper her,and put endless amounts of time and effort into caring for her all for getting to stick your dick in a wet hole and for some abstract "love" that probably doesn't exist in the first place.

>Again, a minority of a minorty thanks to gynocentrism which could be handled if men would men up instead of bitch in the internet and allow such whoes to flourish.
50% of marriages here in the States end in divorce, so it's not just a "small minority" and that doesn't include the unhappy marriages where couples separate or otherwise hate each other that don't officially divorce. And it's hard to "man up" when the entire legal system is stacked against you. The only countries that aren't hopelessly gynocentric are third world countries.
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>>9467879
Simple don't get married. Just have a few girlfriends and sidechicks and your good to go.
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>>9467879
>Dating a woman can get ridiculously expensive.

Only if you're retarded or are obviously looking for trash women. Why don't take her to a stawberyfarm and make a "pick"nick there?
Go to a lake and read each other something nice? Stay at home and make something to eat or enjoy the nature.

There are so many things you can to with the RIGHT women which don't cost you anything. And it's a great way to select the right one.

>50% of marriages here in the States end in divorce

Yeah, well. If you're to retarded to find something cheap and nice to do on a date you'Re probably also not bright enough to deal with marriage problems and see when it's going to shit before the divorce papers come in.

It's not just the women which is at fault if you'Re not able to deal with a marriage.
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>>9467879
>You're expected to take her on dates, buy her lots of stuff, take her out to eat, comfort her, pamper her
Dating in the US looks like a living hell.
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>>9467882
The Americas in general have this same culture of throwing away money to "prove" that you love someone. It's your average couple here.
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>>9467883
By the way, I'm not saying it's the right way to date. If I date someone, I'll obviously do things that don't require much spending of money.
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>>9467880
That only works if you're a Chad. Prostitutes are one alternative, which MGTOW are generally a-ok with.
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>>9467883
And then they bitch about that they only get money grabbing bicthed. It's literaly they themself which are the root of the problem. If you date in modest means, you will automatically attract modest females.
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1 Post by OP. And I thought the mods were moving MGTOW threads to bantz or some other shit? Is it the Seth Rich discussion or what?
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>>9467881
>Why don't take her to a stawberyfarm and make a "pick"nick there? Go to a lake and read each other something nice? Stay at home and make something to eat or enjoy the nature.
>There are so many things you can to with the RIGHT women which don't cost you anything. And it's a great way to select the right one.
Problem is that there aren't many women like this to go around. There is however an abundance of women who only want Chad or are feminist cat ladies.

>you'Re probably also not bright enough to deal with marriage problems and see when it's going to shit before the divorce papers come in.
Avoiding these marriage problems is simple: Don't get married.

>>9467886
>If you date in modest means, you will automatically attract modest females.
Are you trying to tell me that women are actually attracted to beta men that don't want to spend money on them? Since when?
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>>9467879
>Dating a woman can get ridiculously expensive. You're expected to take her on dates, buy her lots of stuff, take her out to eat, comfort her, pamper her,and put endless amounts of time and effort into caring for her all for getting to stick your dick in a wet hole and for some abstract "love" that probably doesn't exist in the first place.
You don't have to do any of that if she's actually attracted to you.
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>>9467888
>he's a beta man because the doesn't waste money on women
wtf are you saying? just because a Chad gets all the girls because he spends money on them, it doesn't mean he's an alpha. The inverted logic applies to modest men.
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>>9467740
Sounds like a bunch of autistic bollocks
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>>9467888
>Problem is that there aren't many women like this to go around. There is however an abundance of women who only want Chad or are feminist cat ladies.

Wrong. You simply promote such a culture. If a Chad would look for a modest female, females would try to live up to that standard to get a Chad.

If you're "alpha" you make the women come to you, not the other way around. As a Chad you have a responsibility and the chance the better a bucnh of females with your way of getting one.

If men look for a money grabbing bitch and promote such a culture, tehy have no right to bitch about getting the women they deserve.

>Avoiding these marriage problems is simple: Don't get married.

Or be a husband worth be married to and show her that youRe a men and not a cuck only worth his shekels.

>Are you trying to tell me that women are actually attracted to beta men that don't want to spend money on them? Since when?

Since always. Money isn't what makes you alpha, especiallyy not in young age. Your personality des that. Money is the cheap short cut leaving you in a field of whores to pick.
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>>9467881
>deal with a marriage

It's easy to deal with marriage when you're married to a slightly decent person and you don't get a payout for the divorce.

But you're right, it's not just the woman at fault when the man is thoughtless enough to get into such a raw deal the first place.

That'd be like blaming a tiger for ripping off my arm when I stuck it through the bars at the zoo.

Even though family and "friends" and pol told me it's such a good idea, the evidence is there for all to see otherwise.
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>>9467892
Dat spacing.
Forgive a Kraut.
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>>9467893
>That'd be like blaming a tiger for ripping off my arm when I stuck it through the bars at the zoo.

I would say it's more a dog, trained to bite by an agressive owner (society) to behave in such a way to get along and the man being too naive to first check the dog for a prolonged amount of time before letting him lick his balls.
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>>9467740
>Opinions?

MGTOW is just the result of what happens, when women consider only 2 out of 10 men as a potential partner. Among those other 8 men some will try to elevate their status and by whatever means possible to one day reach the status of consolation prize.

MGTOW on the other hand don't even try to participate in this game anymore, they are essentially NPCs in their own world.

But most of the men who consider themselves MGTOW would still drag their dick through a mile of broken glass just to smell the farts of pic related. Can't beat biological programming.

MGTOW is essentially one of the many social constructs to justify the worthlessness in the eyes of most women that the majority of men face.
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>>9467740
Once upon a time they had a point, that women have 101 ways to fuck a guy in court. Nowadays a lot of them have went full misogynistic and want to take away women's' right to vote.
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>>9467896
>But most of the men who consider themselves MGTOW would still drag their dick through a mile of broken glass just to smell the farts of pic related. Can't beat biological programming.

even though i disagree, you should become a writer
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>>9467892
>You simply promote such a culture. If a Chad would look for a modest female, females would try to live up to that standard to get a Chad.

You don't know how women are. They will see a stacie and judge her for it. If women want a man they will hit him up because they feel like they can ween stacie out of the picture.

Women are cut throat when it comes to other women. I've never met a women who looks at social standards with objectivity
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>>9467895
>dog

Sure, if the dog is bred to attack and kill men and this breeding is enhanced by training it with rewards for the behavior.

The dog would have to be illogical to pass up such an opportunity for such a great reward.

The man would have to be delusional to even consider it.
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>>9467899
>You don't know how women are.

I know quite well how at least european women are. Believe it or not I'm quite a Chad myself, grown from an autistic robot with pizza skin.

>Women are cut throat when it comes to other women. I've never met a women who looks at social standards with objectivity

Enecdotal evidence. Have you ever tought about that maybe you just look for the wrong kind of women? Just like with spending such a shit amount of money on dating, socialising in itself is the main reason you probably just know shit women. There are actually enough decent and good women out there, but they will not fake up themselves to a stacy or make themselves known on tinder. They want a men which knows where to find them.

And again, YOU can change the outcome.
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>>9467897
Why should women have the right to vote?
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>>9467900
>The man would have to be delusional to even consider it.

That's why you give a relationship time to grow and don't breed with her after one year of dating, like I know many americans do. Take us Krauts for example, we usually date for at least a year before getting into a relationship and won't even marry before 5-7 years into it and not until then we will try to reproduce. Our rates are much lower, especially if you discount those quick-marriages under 2 years.

Courting takes time.
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>>9467902
Because women have voted in Trump. It's not a men vs female question. It's a single vs family question. None single should have the right to vote, only families which have a stack in the future of a nation.
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>>9467888
>Are you trying to tell me that women are actually attracted to beta men that don't want to spend money on them? Since when?
This may be a cultural difference with the US, but if you throw money at women you end up with cheap whores. If you want to impress an intelligent women you have to show her some unusual stuff, but again, there is a lot a strange and unknown places where I can bring a girl, if your only option where you live is to take her to a fancy restaurant or a mall I understand how it may seems the only way to have a woman interested in you.
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>>9467904
pic related
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>>9467892
>Or be a husband worth be married to and show her that youRe a men and not a cuck only worth his shekels.
And why should I even bother making s pathetic attempt to be a husband worth being married to? It's easier and I will probably have a higher quality of life by going MGTOW. Everything women provide will soon be done better by machines, robots, and AI.

>Since always. Money isn't what makes you alpha, especiallyy not in young age. Your personality des that. Money is the cheap short cut leaving you in a field of whores to pick.
Are you trying to tell me that hypergamy and the pareto principle don't exist? No matter what standard you use, be it personality, looks, etc., women will always only go after the top 20% of men.
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friendly reminder that most guys who whine about crazy women, especially in regards to their ex, are at least one of the following: neglectful, abusive, autistic, sociopathic, beta, cuck, closeted gay, circlejerking losers.


mgtow is a plot by Jews and feminists to make white men more unhappy - their suicide rates are already astronomical. and you autists eat mgtow bullshit up. tell us more about how liberated and happy you are to be free of women before you blown your brains out next year because you can't take the loneliness anymore.
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>>9467907
>And why should I even bother making s pathetic attempt to be a husband worth being married to? It's easier and I will probably have a higher quality of life by going MGTOW. Everything women provide will soon be done better by machines, robots, and AI.

Sure, keep believing that human interaction, love and honest interest in your wellbeing can be archived through a programmed machine. You're betraying yourself of a better life just to avoid any hardship and work. That's not even a gama lifestyle and only shows your wn lacks in character. It's like cutting of your healthy hand just because you might burn yourself and an artificial limp doesn't have sensual input.

>Are you trying to tell me that hypergamy and the pareto principle don't exist?

Are you really that dense to not understand that hypergamy doesn't mean money but power? A fit farmer with land while hardworking can be way more attractive than a fatass with money. It's about being able to provide. Women with a long sight into the future know that a manager can get cut off quite quickly or money might lose in value, while honest hard work giving you your food directly from your soil to your blood will be something even your grandkids can enjoy.

> women will always only go after the top 20% of men

Yes, just like most men will go after a stacy before looking for a dull homemaker. Don't fuck stacies and they will become homemakers. You're literaly creating them yourself with your MGTOW lifestyle.
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>>9467903
>That's why you give a relationship time to grow and don't breed with her after one year of dating

It's still a raw deal without involving breeding.

Why would I spend time growing a relationship with someone illogical enough to not take advantage of their privilege?
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>>9467910
>Why would I spend time growing a relationship with someone illogical enough to not take advantage of their privilege?

You don't if you learn while your "courting time" that she is illogical you end it and look for another, a better mate and learn from your mistakes.
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>>9467911

So I spent all that time to decide that I can get someone who will take advantage of me instead of someone illogical.

win-win?
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>>9467912
> to decide that I can get someone who will take advantage of me

Yes, goy. There are only illogical bitches and those ebil womenz out to get you and your moneyz. Stay away from them, there is no hope and nothing to gain.
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>>9467740
A group of losers promoting white genocide
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>>9467913
>I use ad-hom's when I'm caught in a bind!

Thank you for showing the lack of substance supporting your position.
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>>9467915
> lack of substance supporting your position
The whole thread I have explained my point multiple times, if you didn't get it till now there is not point in explaining it once more just yo you can act all sceptic rationalist with your genocidial ideology being literaly mirrored feminism "all men are trash".
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Reminder that both MGTOW and feminism are two sides of the same coin.

Both are meant to create infighting between the sexes, and both are meant to lower birth rates. Both feminists and their counterpart are concerned with ideas of (((Marxist))) egalitarianism which are impossible to achieve.

Independence has long been something a lot of men value, making a movement goes against the whole point since it reeks of attention-seeking, which isn't independence. You're not making any profound statement, you're just refusing to get into a long-term relationship, which takes no effort at all and anyone can do it.
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>>9467916
>he didn't read the thread

Your points are a joke, that's why they were so easily addressed, and why you resorted to fallacies.

Again, family and friends and pol will tell you sticking your hand in the tiger cage at the zoo is a good idea.

The evidence is there for you to see if this is true or not. Oh, but maybe you picked the wrong tiger... just try your other arm in a different zoo!

>>9467893

>>9467900
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>>9467918
>Your points are a joke, that's why they were so easily addressed, and why you resorted to fallacies.

Thank you for showing the lack of substance supporting your position.

>Again, family and friends and pol will tell you sticking your hand in the tiger cage at the zoo is a good idea.
>he didn't read the thread

>Oh, but maybe you picked the wrong tiger... just try your other arm in a different zoo!
How about not sticking your hand in a tiger cage and instead go to a farm and pet a sheep.
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>>9467904
Women still vote for leftists and pro-immigration candidates at far higher rates than men do.
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If anything MGTOW is promoting self improvement for your own reasons and not for getting pussy like most of you do....It's not about woman hating, it's about not being a slave to stupid system and victim of crazy statistics.
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>>9467920
>Women still vote for leftists and pro-immigration candidates at far higher rates than men do.

Single women, married ones vote nearly absoluetly conservative.
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>>9467922
And what does that tell you?
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>>9467922
>Single women, married ones vote nearly absoluetly conservative.

...and there are less and less married women each day.
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>>9467921
>for your own reasons and not for getting pussy like most of you do

Like getting a stupid stacy to fuck through showing off your abs and money. Yeah. Sure.

Unlike all us actually promoting self improvment to get a happier life through long term investments rather than a quick fuck.
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>>9467923
>>9467924

Yeah gee, so maybe we don't promote MGTOW bullshit even further?
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>>9467919

Thank you for allowing me to show again how your joke points were so easily addressed:

>>9467893

>>9467900
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>>9467926
Men in most cases are not the ones choosing who to pick as mate in western society, maybe in the middle ages but not any more. That's why sandniggers have the upper hand on us.
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>>9467926
>maybe we don't promote MGTOW bullshit even further?

MGTOW didnt couse women not marrying, besides, their ideas have a lot of merit, men need to not be blackmailed by pussy in order to strive.

Being a man and crazy for sex is actually quite feminine. Well lost a few generations with MGTOW but going into marriages that will fail is a worse option.
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>>9467927
I'm not sure if you're retarded or trolling. Either way it's as futile to gone on like to expect a "rational feminist" to get the point.

Have fun ending your heritage, burger.
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>>9467909

>You're betraying yourself of a better life just to avoid any hardship and work.
You still haven't explained why you think I would have a better life dating/marrying a modern woman.

>Are you really that dense to not understand that hypergamy doesn't mean money but power?
I never said that. All I am saying is that if more MGTOW bought into the self-improvement meme and tried to pursue women, all that would do is cause women to raise their standards. There would still be a top 20% that get most of the women.

>Yes, just like most men will go after a stacy before looking for a dull homemaker.
Except throughout history this has not been the case. Men throughout history have generally been willing to settle with whatever they could get. In the paleolithic, it is estimated that 80% of women reproduced, whereas only 40% of men did. The only thing that constrains hypergamy is the artificial construct of civilizations that enforce strict monogamy.
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>>9467929
Their ideas have as much merit as feminists, taken good ideas and blowing them out of proportion to shit on the opposite gender dehumanizing them just to not look on themselves and better oneself.

As I said, everything has been said. People stil wanting to believe in either of those ideologies will believe in it no matter what rational points wil be brought up.
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My problem is MGTOW always talk about the "nature of women" as if it's some provable and demonstrable trait. It's not. They just use anecdotal evidence to convince people all women are evil.
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>>9467793
hans you're typing like you just fucked a dane and took over the south of great britain
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>>9467931
>You still haven't explained why living like people did since for ever as a human social animal is better than getting into the matrix and just fucking a waifu till your remains can get used for soylent

> all that would do is cause women to raise their standards

Yes and women with higher standars would no longer look for low standard tinder fucks but longterm relationships. That's a good thing - at least if you actually want to deliever otherwise no matter how society will look like you will be miserable and it's not the fault of the women.

>Men throughout history have generally been willing to settle with whatever they could get.

No, till quite recently a marriage was a logical decision without romantic feelings involed, mostly chosen by your family for the best match. Your personality and power was what has been relevent and the betas simply were used for warfare and either gt killed off or gotten a women through battle experience and social points.

We simply don't kill MGTOWs off anymore.
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>>9467932
>Their ideas have as much merit as feminists

fuck no, its just about not being obssesed with not having sex all the time. my problem with them is that many of them really think that women are just pure evil without focusing on the foult of men (which got us here in the forst place, trashy women are just the symptom of mens failures). Its good as a stepping stone.

most pollacks incortporated plenty of mgtow ideas without even knowing it - that is, you can be masculine without being a destructive alpha male.
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>>9467933
>My problem is MGTOW always talk about the "nature of women" as if it's some provable and demonstrable trait.

very true, some push it to hard. women havent coused shit, men did and did damage to other men consequentially.

Taht being said, I like women, but the truth is most of them are useless idiots today and as much as I would like a family Im aware its a gamble.
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>>9467930
>I'm not sure if your retarded because of my impotence

Your projection is a result of your conviction to a brutally insecure concept. You've identified yourself with an idea, so you perceive conflicting ideas as a threat and have to attack them. But you can't actually attack this idea, you can only continue to spout fallacies.

I have to ask: I this the grand quality I can continue to expect of your heritage?

Again:

>>9467893

>>9467900
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>>9467740
MGTOWs said they're "living their way" but every action of theirs is realized in relation to what women think. I mean, if you get vegans and change the "vegan" word to "going my way", you have the same kind of people.

If a man has a woman, or has not, it doesn't really matters, once you start discussing something like "do x do fuck women because they don't like y" you're already a feminine and inferior man.
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>>9467769
Nope - about half are Alpha guys who never settled down, but like a fun arms-length girlfriend.
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>>9467939
>MGTOWs said they're "living their way" but every action of theirs is realized in relation to what women think.

no you monkey its absolutly the opposite - its about not feeling unworthy because you are unmarried/divorced/virgin, because men can be of tremendous value to society even if he isnt married or sexually active.
Your hue country could profit tremendously from this approach insted of having grown up manchilder who destroy their families or enter crime in order to get that nigger ass.

MGTOW can fall into retarted mysogyny but it touches on ideas what is being a man all about.
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>>9467938
>Your projection is a result of your conviction to a brutally insecure concept.

Do you also have a rational sceptic YT channel where you have a funny face on a suited figure and sciency background? I bet you have.

I'm a Chad with a fair share of experience with women while you bitch about choosing between pestilence and cholera in relation to them, which is a sign that you're simply a salty loser which isn't willing to work onehimself rather making autistic comments on a taiwanesse basket weaving forum about the eternal Weib.

You'll grow out of it or become a Mr Plinkett. Your choice. I'm not gonna waste even more time on your pubertal ideology.
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>>9467935
For some men, they may be happier with female companionship, but for schizoids like myself, probably not. Things like porn also exist today that did not exist in the ancestral environment that can also reduce the urge to attract women.

You also seem to grossly underestimate the degree to which AI will advance this century. There's no reason why we couldn't eventually program an AI to love in the same way that humans do. Your brain is just an advanced AI that is made of meat and was programmed by evolution.

The reason why arranged marriages and strict monogamy existed in the past is because the system required people to be as productive as possible for the system to sustain itself. Women also needed a man to have enough reduces for her and her children to survive. With modern technology, the average person does not need to be as productive, and single mothers can more easily fend for themselves.
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>>9467942
>I'm a Chad with a fair share of experience with women

this fucking kraut idiot...

you are a chad, an alpha, a person who has virtue?

how many kids have you raised up to call yourself a man of virtue? Who told you that you are a worthy individual? Was it the jewsih tv you watched as a kid? Do you have a healthy and happy family? what have you dont for Germany, a country that is literally dying from within, have you did smth worthy for your coutntry as a chad?
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>>9467943
>Things like porn also exist today that did not exist in the ancestral environment

From early stone painting over the ancient egyptian Pharao Hatchepsut getting fucked by her slave, over open baths with explicit art to erotic magazines. Porn is as old as humans themself.

>There's no reason why we couldn't eventually program an AI to love in the same way that humans do.

There is also no reason why humans would remain needed by cooperations and getting killed off by the elite in face of better workers. You people love the small advantages so much you forgett that just like the atomic bomb those thinks won't be used for the common good.
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>>9467944
>Who told you that you are a worthy individual?

Mother nature, showing her appreciation in my offspring.

Stay mad.
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>>9467946
>Mother nature, showing her appreciation in my offspring.

good answer, have a good family life and be a good father (=raise your children well), unless you are lying on the internet.
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More like virgins going their own way

>"i can't do this job, i quit" - failure
>"i can't win this race, i'm out of breath" - failure
>"i crashed and scuffed my knees, so i'm done with riding a bike" - failure
>"cars are too hard and noisy and smelly anyways i don't like them" - failure
>"i got a C in math so i'm dropping out of school" - failure
>"i can't get a woman to respect me so i'm taking a vow of celibacy" - going his own way! you go, bro!
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>>9467947
Thanks, may fortune also smile upon you and your family as well, Ivan.
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>>9467822
>By restricting who we give attention to, we are creating a better caliber of woman because they have to up their game.

this guy gets it. Men who support idiot women by giving them attention are to be blamed, not women themselves.
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>>9467942
>I'm (pretending to be) so privileged I'm above proving my points

Well I guess that answers the question.

Those who live in servitude to their ego sacrifice their duty to heritage, and heritage suffers.
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>>9467951
>privileged
>simply working on oneself and having a family

Am I supposed to feel pity, burger?
Look at yourself and ask yourself why you waste your life on arguing about supposed ebil womenz instead of actually "going your own way" if that really is what you want.

If not, maybe working on your duty to for ancestors might make you more satisfied.
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>>9467950
can women be blamed for anything then?

is it always mens fault for giving women the freedom to fuck something up?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5v-PbkcOC_0

Based Popp knows, anon.

Popp knows.
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>>9467953
>can women be blamed for anything then?

yes, after they have responsobility and independance like they have today. same is with kids after they mature, if they make mistake, they should be blamed.

>is it always mens fault for giving women the freedom to fuck something up?

well...men did dooned goof with GIVING women "liberation", women didnt just fought for it as they like to think.
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MGTOW has some very good points but they're too fatalist for me. giving up never helped anyone.
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I've taken a vow that if no girl will respond to my courting (asking for cofee, giving flowers, being helpful and acting nice) until I reach my 30s, I will spend all my money on vidya, books, booze and hookers
26 yo now, I think it is time to buy myself a new PC
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>>9467956
>MGTOW has some very good points but they're too fatalist for me.

I must agree, they are good with thinking about certain aspects, but dang are they nihilistic and the whole AWALT mentality is just retarted, like all men are perfect and moral...
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>>9467957
>courting
>asking for cofee, giving flowers, being helpful and acting nice

Have fun playing all those games.
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>>9467740
a natural response the the completely ridiculously over the top way the already most privileged section of society still cries about being victims and are over indulged on the issue by the media who wants them as viewers because the advertisers want them as subjects.

Of course career feminists need to keep banging their manipulative drum in order to keep the shekels coming in, but by pushing this when they're already ahead only creates a backlash, which plays into the femtard's hands because it keeps them in a battle.
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>>9467956
>giving up never helped anyone.

>giving up

Not sure you get the concept, anon.

Not choosing to drink a glass of lemonade that has a 70 percent chance of being poisoned isn't "giving up."

It is personal salvation.

>pic unrelated
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>>9467952
>Being this butthurt

I didn't ask you to feel anything, just to take some responsibility.

I know that's a lot to ask, but I know you can get on my level bro.

Just start working on yourself.

Then we can have a conversation without you won't FEELing like such a waste!
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>>9467955
Nice numerals my dude!
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>>9467959
I have, thank you
if girls want to go to loud places to indulge in debauchery, get drunk or use drugs or whatever, I do not want to have anything in common with them
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mod is gay, he does not remove hillary threads, nor he does not merge multiple Seth Rich threads into one but he sure as hell is angry at mgtows
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>>9467962
You'll grow out of it, as I said.

Now you're acting as if all women are X, but that's due to your lack of actual interaction with a wider range of them. So you believe in AWALT nonsense and due to that acting and lying to yourself that you need no man.. I mean, woman.

One might call that actual butthurt and being led by feelings.
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STOP SENDING /pol/ THREADS HERE JUST BLOODY DELETE THEM FOR GOOD
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>>9467964
>if girls want to go to loud places to indulge in debauchery, get drunk or use drugs or whatever, I do not want to have anything in common with them

That is why college was a greater lesson to me outside of class.

Living in a dorm and seeing so many seemingly-wholesome women walk into the dorm on Sunday mornings...
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>>9467868
I'd say most here are young. These are the horny kids who have no experience with women who want to get laid regardless of the calibre of the woman and who are likely to blunder dick first into a fucking nightmare.

I dont believe you have any proof of your 66% are:
>old /r9k/ "Im ugly and cant score shit, therefore I hate them"

so you are the one who can get fucked
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>>9467810
>MGTOW is redpilled because its men refusing to get fucked over by the jew system
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>>9468928
wtf I love getting held hostage by the jew system now!

Good argument kiddo
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