Star Fox thread

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Starting with best vixen

I wish I could into artfagging.

>>8758688

for fuck's sake why can't this be a real game?!

>>8758688
If only I could taste the magic.

>>8762882
Wish xopachi drew more of krystal in that size.

Where there ever any other stories/pics/comics about Star Fox characters undergoing cock-transformation aside from that often mocked one done by MoT?

Seeing a Krystal-cock would be pretty sexy.

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>>8766588

Other than Lust Penis, no

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>playing through Corneria City in Assault
>all those billboards and video advertisements for businesses and movies
Really like all the worldbuilding that went on with just that one level.

>>8758688
Am I the only one that thinks this guy traced Comets old Krystal art?

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>>8758688
Reminder that Krystal is not a Star Fox character and has come to symbolize the decline of the series as a whole.

>>8775969

Reminder that barneyfag 2.0 is butthurt his rare game got converted for the better

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>>8776071
Please don't encourage him.

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>>8776119

>Reminder not to respond to barneyfag 2.0

That probably needs to be a standard now. Beside that, I witnessed some real stupid shit in a /v/ thread

>>8776071
>for the better
I...wasn't aware helping kill a series you enjoy was for the better.

Weird perspective.

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>>8773627
Those stages are huge due to the Arwing needing space to fly around in multiplayer dogfights. I love the amount of detail that level has.

>>8776119
It's likely the same autistic one from the last one.

>>8776187
>I witnessed some real stupid shit in a /v/ thread
Mind sharing?

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>>8777253
>I love the amount of detail that level has.
Yeah, which is why I really do want to see more games with a greater emphasis on ground-level settings and different aspects of the worlds. Zoness was apparently a resort planet before Andross got his toxic splooge all over it, and it would be cool to see the place before the war (or after the cleanup).

>>8777253

A retarded anon was rambling about how 64 has no plot that despite all evidence showing otherwise, he was still rampant about it. He ended up getting btfo

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Bet you fags didnt know there was more of this did you?

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>>8778346

I'm assuming the farting one is fake, but if not I hate to wonder if there's a non farting one.

>>8778346
>>8778369
I only know of the three pictures that have been posted here a few times, but supposedly the "messy" versions are still on Herro's patreon.

Which, frankly, is fine by me. I'm totally content with the clean versions.

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>>8778502

I've never been a fan of the messy food kind of stuff. Honestly I thought of paying her to do more, but holy fuck, $100 for a single character image?

For about the same amount I could get a two character image from one guy, though that's if you really like preggo.

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>>8778636
Such is the way with the "popular" ones, unfortunately. They get commissions, then they get backlogged with commissions, then they have to up their prices because "lol not enough time to meet all demands", rinse and repeat. Not to mention I've seen more artists stagnate or even DEGRADE in quality thanks to the conveyor-belt mentality of their commissioned work. Depressing, but on the other hand it gets people to support cheaper artists who may be just as good in terms of quality, and there will never be a shortage of new artists.

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Thought about throwing this one in /tfg/, but this thread seems more appropriate.

>>8777346
It's a shame Assault had buttfucking awful ground portions or it coulda been cool.

>>8778502
I hope to see the slob versions soon

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>>8779619
>playing the Wii U over composite

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>>8784448
>tfw your OC gets posted
Aww yeah!

>>8776071
>for the better
You're just as bad as him, Adventuresfag.

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>>8788001

There's kind of a big difference when someone holds a grudge about "muh dinosaur planet" for well over a decade still as opposed to those who just dont care. I can understand that some people would've liked to of gotten the original game, but you need to consider how even those who saw the beta felt it wasnt anything special. Not to mention how Zeldafags would've easily just as shat on that as they have on any other clone. Most recent case of this is Horizon, I hear it gets some shit because it has some sjw propaganda shit in there, but it mostly got a ton of shit because it was copying botw as they claimed. I think even The Last Guardian was getting shit too for trying to be like Wind Waker and botw.

It doesnt really stop there, though some say Rare was still good, their quality realistically dropped by the late N64 era. One claims it was Jet Force Gemini that was actually the starting point of Rares downfall, while DK64 is also noted to being one of the most bland Donkey Kong games in the entire series despite what some say. Bare in mind to I played that once and just stopped I think halfway because of how bland it felt to me.

It's probably not the best video to use, but this was how fucked up DK64 was, and even the guy explaining this admits he fucking loved it long ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txRBHfCc0uU

What i'm saying is, it was changed for the better because though Adventures has its flaws, it's not like it cant be remade.

>>8787837
It was a good photoshop, anon. Currently my wallpaper since you first posted it.

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>Star Fox thread
oh good

Dylan Cuthbert just had AMA with some reddit shits a couple of weeks ago:
https://nintendo-power.com/2017/04/08/dylan-cuthbert-starfox/

TL;DR:
>IRL basis on who worked on the original Star Fox game, Slippy was based on Youchi Yamada, Falco was Tsuyoshi Watanabe/Giles Goddard, Fox was Miyamoto/Cuthbert.”
>Star Fox 2 eShop still a never ever
>the mastered (final) version of SF2 had elements such as a "rogue-style encounter system"and "more variations of the various arenas"
>would love to see a Star Fox Switch
>not involved in any (possible) project for one right now

and this is what Cuthbert want to do in the next Star Fox game he wants to work on in the far future:
>"It would have to be epic, the game is always best when it takes on and copies the big classic scenes in science fiction movies such as Independence Day and Star Wars. But at the same time I would want to work on the controls and gaming loops surrounding the player’s actions, and arguably this is what I added to the original StarFox too, with the hit-flashes and rings and direction-flickable barriers, that’s the stuff that is really good fun."

>>8793383
will i get lashed if i say "Command's RTS-ish gameplay was okay"

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>>8793445
The controls are alright, it's just the story that is trash.

>>8783398
Wait, what is this? Is this based on the Nintendo Power comic?

>>8793383
Did he give any insight as to WTF was going on with Command's plot?
Because I always thought that was either a mental break or some kind of 'fuck you' at Nintendo.

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>>8794246

Rumor has it Q-Games got their writing and everything from both a forum and fanfics. Also Cuckbert only wants to remake the very original game, which is suicide for not only after how Zero flopped.

>Everyone knows how dated it is, the ost being the only thing that's good
>Is just the same first arc story again, meaning it'd be 64 for the fourth or fifth time
>The genre no longer has a place in the modern industry, why you noticed how two particular sequels got more appreciation

The best it'd be is a special unlock in a sequel to Assault, you could even chuck the finished Star Fox 2 in there as well. Of course like Nintendo would ever do that again. Last time I think was Animal Crossing but that was over a decade ago.

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>>8794564
>the ost being the only thing that's good
Real shame they lost Hirasawa. Wonder what he's up to these days?

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>>8793059
Thanks!
I'm honored!

>>8793789
>>8794246
>>8794564
Yeah, what the fuck was going on with Command's story?
>Rumor has it Q-Games got their writing and everything from both a forum and fanfics.
I could believe that.
The "Krystal leaves Fox for Panther" ending reeks of fanfic.

Also the fact that only the bad end is possible on the first playthrough.
What the fuck man.

Are Miyu and Fay ever going to be canon to balance out the roster or is it hopeless to hope?

>>8795794

If Platinum carries out a sequel maybe, Nintendo clearly cant handle this series as they neither care or put any effort in it. Q-Games is not a good option either as they'll just fuck it up even harder.

Do you suppose Fox orders Miyu and Fay into a threesome?

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>>8796390
I can't see it happening. Furries turned him into a submissive boy toy. We need more Fay x Wolf.

>>8796977
If anything the games make Fox out to be confident and kind of cocky.

Like in Assault:
>Gen. Pepper: Oikony! blah blah, [leader of rebelion] blah [remenants of Andross' army] blah [You must help us, Star Fox!]
>Fox: Ok, so we're here why?

>>8794124
It is, it's made by Adam Bryce Thomas.

>>8788286
>There's kind of a big difference when someone holds a grudge about "muh dinosaur planet" for well over a decade still as opposed to those who just dont care.
>those who dont care
>write a big long post about how you care
Hey man it is what it is, but let's face it, Adventures turned out to be mess. Decent design in general, but a terrible excuse for a Star Fox game, which, is obvious as it was not intended to be one.

I'm just pointing out the decline of the series started with Adventures and people keep jumping on it with shit arguments and then going AHA I DEBUNKED ALL UR SHIT UR JUST MAD ZEROFAG / GENWUNNER / 64FAG I WIN THE DAY.

It's silly lol, its fact the series declined with Adventures, it wasn't as well recieved, it has always been mixed of mixed opinion within the fandom, and it sold miserable amounts in comparison to the previous iterations. Inb4 muh special select titles.

We don't actually know if it changed for the better, I'm just a reasonable consumer. I want it all, and yeah I can't have it all, but I would have really liked a Starfox game that was a Starfox game, and Rare to get the chance to put out a piece of their own work to their own design. If it failed, I STILL would have preferred it because it wouldn't have to bring another franchise down with it.

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Can we fucking stop rehashing this same argument?
It's getting pretty fucking trite.

>>8799978
Do u kno wer u r?

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>>8800010
>No guis! Evryting haes 2 b shite!
>I enjoiy teh filth!

>>8800095
>comes to /trash/
>guis lets all take it seriously and enjoy our time here
Do u kno wer u r?

>>8800007
every time he draws a girl she comes off as waifu bait
it's uncanny

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>>8800206
It's the eyes.

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>thread is filled with content I haven't seen yes
o bby

>>8800191
now there's an artist I'd like to see tackle her

>>8800246
expressions in general I'd say

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Saying Adventures "started the decline" you're implying 64 was the high point. So going back to that would solve everything right? Nope, the 3ds port can't even compare in sells with the N64, and the 3ds sold millions of handhelds, mind you.

Now look at Zero, the lesser 64 wannabe, shitty sells again. Obviously rehashing 64 again and again clearly isn't gonna cut it for this series. They need to do something new. "Dead console" isn't an excuse because Splatoon.

Let that sink in. But of course it isn't gonna sink in because you people like having the same ass discussion because autism.

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>>8800937

There was that argument a decade ago, but was slowly decaying that both 64 3D and Zeros failure completely obliterated it. The only people who still complain about it are purefags and Rare manchildren. As if they didnt get fucked hard enough already.

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>tfw we'll never get another game with multiplayer matches as good as 1 life, 4 player, falco only, sniper only fights on corneria city or zoness
Why did Assault have to be so good? Why did it have to have such a shit draw distance with 4 players to keep it from being perfect?

>>8801765
Assault was mediocre as fuck tho.

>>8800937
>Saying Adventures "started the decline" you're implying 64 was the high point.
And it was, best reviews in the business, most sales, I don't understand why you think it wasn't?

>So going back to that would solve everything right?
No?

>the 3ds port can't even compare in sells with the N64
Okay?

>Now look at Zero, the lesser 64 wannabe, shitty sells again. Obviously rehashing 64 again and again clearly isn't gonna cut it for this series.
Yeah I agree.

>They need to do something new.
Sure why not.

>Let that sink in. But of course it isn't gonna sink in because you people like having the same ass discussion because autism.
Projection is a bitch huh?

How many times do I need to spoonfeed you morons before you understand that 64 was in fact, the high point of the series. Just because the 3DS port did shit, at the end of a fierce decline in series quality and popularity, and Zero was a bucket of shit, doesn't mean the decline didn't start with Assault. That's like saying the end of the soviet union is what started the soviet union, it's Adventurefag self delusion tactics.

I'd love something new and cool, and most important, FUCKING STAR FOX. Not dinosaur planet with Star Fox characters stapled onto it. You understanding now? Or are you going to be a willful idiot?

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>>8796977
>Fay x Wolf

Underrated ship

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>>8803125
>Projection is a bitch huh?
You sound triggered. Did I hurt your feelings? That last part of my post is aimed at those who like talking in circles with this "Adventures declined the series" nonsense. That post wasn't even directed at a specific anon in this thread btw, meaning that says something about you since you're ticked over that part of the post.

>Just because the 3DS port did shit
>and Zero was a bucket of shit
Just face it, 64 was a one hit wonder, and the fact that those two games didn't gain a huge new generation of players only further cements my claim on 64.

>Not dinosaur planet with Star Fox characters stapled onto it.
I don't care if you hate the characters that came after 64 or not. Adventures happened, move on. All the developers need to do is improve upon future Star Fox and making actual progress, not moving backwards trying to please nostalgic late 20 / 30+ year olds.

I'd like a new Star Fox game but one that ignores Adventures, Assault and Command altogether.

Just reintroduce Krystal and Panther.

>>8804841
>You sound triggered. Did I hurt your feelings?
Your argument got destroyed so hard you default to hurt feelings may may? Cmon, step it up.

>"Adventures declined the series" nonsense
How is it nonsense when thats where the decline started?

>Just face it, 64 was a one hit wonder
>He doesn't know about the first one
Wew lad.

>not moving backwards trying to please nostalgic late 20 / 30+ year olds.
Who advocated that? Oh right no one. Poor feller is really casting a net hoping I'll say something in defense of Zero kek.

Face it, Adventures is where the series decline started. Why tell me to get over it when you're just as invested boobear?

>>8759934
Shit taste right out the gate.

Farah is only for fags who can't get over their 25 year old nintendo power comic isn't canon.

>>8795794
They're called Bill and Katt now.

>>8805422
Not that guy, but It's because you come in here with shitty bait.

Krystal is not "representative" of squat. She had no character in adventures and only got a character in Assault, where she was pretty decent. Command's focus on her relationship with Fox was awkward, but she's actually the reasonable one if you follow their character arcs through Assault and Command.

Star Fox was never good.

>>8788286
rare's downfall was half their devs leaving

if the company stuck together they'd still be with nintendo

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>>8805716

They were screwed anyway since Microsoft bought them without question. I heard Microsoft wanted to sell them over to Nintendo, but Rare was that bitter that they refused to let them do it. I witnessed a case where a fan even asked them if they're still friendly towards Nintendo, instead they completely avoid the question altogether and instead shill their replay collection. Unless it was just me it came off as passive.

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>>8805422
>Your argument got destroyed so hard
It did? Noooooo! Just kidding. Keep telling yourself that and lick those wounds.

>He doesn't know about the first one
Assumptions, assumptions.

>How is it nonsense when thats where the decline started?
And here's where you wanna start a feedback loop. You can chase after your own tail from here on out.

>>8805716
>rare's downfall was half their devs leaving
Perfect Dark Zero and Banjo Nuts & Bolts... I need not say more.

>>8758688

what game is this

>>8806641

>Nuts and Bolts
>Perfect Dark Zero
>Bad Fur Day Reloaded, censored some things
>Grabbed by the Ghoulies
>Rare Replay Collection, their gravestone
>Young Conker
>Conkers failed episodic mini games in that one title
>Banjo and Conker being used as cosmetic dlc for a freemium mobile game

>>8788286
>still pushing his "lol it was gonna be great so let's make it even worse" logic
>still thinking Adventures will be remade or that if it did it would fix the thing anything when it will still be a Star Fox game
>"it was changed for the better because instead of just having one IP that wouldn't get a new game it got to ruin a second!"

>>8805422
The series' fate was sealed by cancelling Star Fox 2. That is a fact.

>>8807719

You make it sound like it wouldnt of died if Star Fox 2 happened, but I think the real question is if you actually believe it would've still survived at all.

We already know how butthurt you are about "muh dinosaur planet", so your fabricated belief of the series still being alive over one game is very questionable considering how there's so much evidence being pointed at how it was fucked anyway for how a genre became obsolete. There's a reason why people hate nostalgiafags, especially purefags.

>Prior to Sun and Moons release
>Genwunners bitch to hell and back as usual about it because "1st gen was superior", etc
>Everyone else told them to fuck off
>Genwunners got btfo when SuMo was a critical success
>Some of them said it was because of Pokemon Go that was for SuMos success, when the population of Pokemon Go dropped significantly

>>8795794
Honestly, there could be a better idea for this.
Instead of being shoved down the Starfox franchise's throat. Nintendo recreate Star Fox 2, under a completely different title, staring only Miyu and Fay. Some things would definitely need to be changed around, but it could be turn into something good. It could also be some kind of Star Fox Spin-off

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Just made a new wallpaper, tell me what you guys think!
It's based on the Cowboy Bebop intro.

I tried to recreate the NTSC artifacts, but I feel like it still needs a little more work in that regard.

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>>8758688
woah

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>>8808141

I thought of one way the two could be introduced, but they wouldn't be part of Fox or Wolfs team. I think if those from swapdoodle who have me added would know.

>>8796977
>>8804292

I did think of something that has this

>>8811380
More of this please.

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>>8811739
The artist is luigiix

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>>8812010

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>>8812026

>>8805686
>Not that guy, but It's because you come in here with shitty bait.
Well a fuckload of people bit so I dunno that I'd call it shitty lol.

>She had no character in adventures and only got a character in Assault, where she was pretty decent.
Her Assault character was love interest for Fox. That's decent?

>but she's actually the reasonable one if you follow their character arcs through Assault and Command.
>through Assault and Command.
>Command.
Oh boy you actually paid attention to that garbage that is questionable if its even canon.

>>8806641
>Keep telling yourself that and lick those wounds.
What wounds, you've failed to deliver any real argument that touched me tho, legit. Please point out where you think you've wounded me despite not offering anything of substance? I'm curious what you think was your heavy hitter lol.

>Assumptions, assumptions.
>64 was a one hit wonder
>except the one that came before it that did well and sparked a big fanbase
>that didn't have anything to do with it
So you're either lying and covering, or you're too stupid to know what a one hit wonder is.

>And here's where you wanna start a feedback loop. You can chase after your own tail from here on out.
Because the series decline started with Adventures, and you have no argument against it. You keep trying to say Zero and the 3DS port has something to do with disproving that, but...no? Those came after the series started declining. You know how chronological order works right?

>>8807719
>The series' fate was sealed by cancelling Star Fox 2. That is a fact.
Oh that's why 64 was released to even better standing that the first one? Don't get me wrong I would have fucking loved SF2, but cmon, the cancellation gave room for 64, which did amazing.

>>8812999

64 only did amazing because it was the only way of getting the Rumble Pack, plus how the genre was still relevant at the time. You can try to argue hard about the debunked downfall theory, but if 64 was still as amazing as it was back in 97 then there's no reason for its 3DS port and Zero to fail so miserably.

For god sake, Ocarina of TIme 3D came out a month after 3D did, and it wiped the floor with it and that game was equally as popular and old as 64 was back then. You have no excuse to why those "masterpiece" isnt just a one hit wonder

For Zeros case, Splatoon crushed its ass and that was a brand new IP. Why I even use Splatoon is because some defenders of Zero seriously thought it failed because it was on the WiiU, yet Splatoon in the first 28 days it released sold over a million and in the first year sold over 4 million. Then again the defenders really went out of their way to damage controlling the fuck out of Zero when it got all the mediocre reviews.

Ironic since Zero was fucking 64 yet again.

>>8815859
>64 only did amazing because it was the only way of getting the Rumble Pack
Citation needed, I mean, citation that's the reason. I really don't recall much hype over the rumble pack. I mean it was well received but people weren't frothing at the mouth over it.

>plus how the genre was still relevant at the time
And? Doesn't mean it's a one hit wonder.

>You can try to argue hard about the debunked downfall theory, but if 64 was still as amazing as it was back in 97 then there's no reason for its 3DS port and Zero to fail so miserably.
Remasters never do as good as the original, not even the Mario 64 one did. I'm not saying rail shooters haven't fallen out of favor, I'm saying despite the genre being VERY popular at the time, Adventures didn't do nearly as well, it was received lesser, the fandom has always been mixed on it, and it wasn't a Star Fox game. It's where the series began its decline, I'm sorry, get over it, you can say it's debunked over and over but it isn't. Just because games that came later did worse, doesn't mean that's proof the series decline started later, it just means they were rehashed ends of a dwindling franchise. Not to mention not only was Zero an uninspired clone, but it forced in those shitty controls. Like it's not just the fact it was a rail shooter it did poorly, there was a ton wrong with that game.

>For god sake, Ocarina of TIme 3D came out a month after 3D did, and it wiped the floor with it and that game was equally as popular and old as 64 was back then.
Not entirely sure what you're saying here, but Ocarina of time on 3DS actually sold about 3 million copies less than the original and wasn't as well received. Again, ports that come later never do as well as the original unless there's some master exception or specifically a very new, desirable amount of content added.

Once again though I have no idea why you're so fixated on Zero like it offends me, or proves anything if you're not trying to offend me. Zero sucks.

>>8808061
We already know how butthurt you are about how people call out Adventures for ruining two IPs instead of one, so you fabricate belief that Adventures will totally be remade one day and this will somehow fix all it's problems which is very question considering how there's so much evidence being pointed at how it was fucked because it was turned into a Star Fox game. There's a reason why people hate nostalgiafags, especially GameCube babbies.

Also that greentext is a hilariously bad comparison for several reasons
>admitting Star Fox went bad isn't nostalgia, like how pointing out Paper Mario going bad isn't nostalgia. Nice "muh nostalgiafag" fallacy.
>You keep pushing your stupid "lol Dinosaur Planet would have sucked" meme but Adventures sucked anyway so all you're doing is trying to say sinking two IPs is better than sinking one
>butthurt GameCube nostaligists act like any game that came out the GameCube is perfect

>>8812999
>Oh that's why 64 was released to even better standing that the first one?
Which features innovations it stole from Star Fox 2, fancy that.

>Don't get me wrong I would have fucking loved SF2, but cmon, the cancellation gave room for 64, which did amazing.
Lol, they were both being made so SF2 being released wouldn't have stopped 64 from existing. And "gave room"? Lol. You know SF2's release date would have been almost two whole years before 64's release, right? It's just Miyamoto's excuse to sabotage SF2 because the Japanese hate being shown up by filthy gaijin developers.

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>>8819063

>Getting this triggered so hard that nostalgiafags like you ruined a series combined with the genre being fucked entirely
>Implying it isnt a fact that Dinosaur Planet would've been shit on it's own, but go ahead and call it a "meme", just proves my point
>Implying there are any gamecube nostalgists, at least ones who're as butthurt as N64 fags

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Here.
I think I managed to improve it.

What do you anons think?

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>>8819358
>he still can't admit he's saying it's better to ruin two IPs instead of just having one mediocre one

>>8774515
She used a Comet pic as a reference for that animation if I recall correctly.

>>8819063
>Which features innovations it stole from Star Fox 2, fancy that.
Look, I dunno if you know who I ams, but I'm the guy who said he would have liked to see both 64 AND SF2, however we have to face the fact that 64 did borrow concepts, from both previous games.

I don't agree with how they shafted Argo, but it did make a very good in the end. It was the high point of the series, there's way in hell you can pretend it somehow killed the series when it was literally the height of it.

>Lol, they were both being made so SF2 being released wouldn't have stopped 64 from existing
>releasing 2 games of similar concept back to back one on a console on the way out.
You don't...know how production works do you.

Are you sure you're not Dylan bro? Again, I don't agree with what they did to SF2 and I don't deny there was some underhanded fears and doubts that led them to that decision, but in a business interested in making money they wouldn't just fuck themselves if they knew the return would still be sterling. It's not just a matter of I DONT LIKE THE NON JAPS, it's a culmination of everything, including the shady shit I don't agree with.

In the end, it made 64, a game where it's simply fact based, sold the best, was the best received, within the fandom had far less mixed opinions than Adventures and everything that followed. Its insane to say that's what caused the series to die lol.

>>8821619
Cancelling Star Fox 2 caused the series to die because without the nostalgiafaggotry for Star Fox 64 grew, causing the fandom to lambast games that weren't rehashes of it (Assault) and then Nintendo just gave in and pandered to them with Star Fox Zero being a rehash even though they already gave them Star Fox 64 3D.

If Star Fox 2 released when it was meant to the fandom would be more open to different gameplay ideas, characters on the team outside of the original four, and then there would have never been a need to pander to 64fags.

>You don't...know how production works do you.
It seems you don't know about the history of Star Fox. Star Fox 2 was almost complete before they canned it. Star Fox 64 wouldn't be overshadowed because it wouldn't come out until two years after SF2's release.

>>8821708
>the nostalgiafaggotry for Star Fox 64 grew
I don't understand, what makes you think nostalgiafaggotry wouldn't grow for SF2?

>causing the fandom to lambast games that weren't rehashes of it (Assault)
Assault was fundamentally flawed, it lacked edge, the ground portions were miserable, it treated the characters more like a Saturday morning cartoon with all the angst and sexual tension and it honestly ruined wolf as a character. No, having a deep voice and being edgy (different from edge mind you) doesn't make him a good character.

>pandered to them with Star Fox Zero being a rehash even though they already gave them Star Fox 64 3D.
So you're arguing that 64 did so amazing it killed the series lol. That's uh...one way to look at it.

>If Star Fox 2 released when it was meant to the fandom would be more open to different gameplay ideas, characters on the team outside of the original four, and then there would have never been a need to pander to 64fags.
All speculation. Really, I know it seems like I'm just handwaving this but you honestly have no idea. What if they didn't receive it well? It was still a rehash of the original just with more freedoms and a walker mode. I personally had fun with it, but it's hard to get a feel in its unpolished state, I can't speculate too much on how grand it would be seen if it got cleaned up and produced.

>It seems you don't know about the history of Star Fox. Star Fox 2 was almost complete before they canned it.
That sucks, I've played the most completed version and I simply don't feel it was ready. Not to mention again, if you think production is the same as development, you don't know what production is.

>>8821832
>I don't understand, what makes you think nostalgiafaggotry wouldn't grow for SF2?
Because Star Fox 64 would come out in just under two years. Meanwhile, the gap between 64 and Assault was eight years, meaning more time for a fondness without a new proper Star Fox (so Adventures doesn't count) to move things forward.

>the ground portions were miserable
SF64fags complained about them simply for existing. The fact they don't want them ever again when they can work (and it certainly worked in multiplayer) if the just polish the mechanics a bit just proves they want the same shit. I've outright seen people say they just want a straight-up railshooter and nothing more. They don't want the series to move on from 64 in any way.

>it treated the characters more like a Saturday morning cartoon with all the angst and sexual tension
That was Command.

>and it honestly ruined wolf as a character.
Because wasn't just a flat villain with a British accent anymore?

>So you're arguing that 64 did so amazing it killed the series lol. That's uh...one way to look at it.
No, pandering to nostalgia lead to this rut of Star Fox rehashing things and not trying anything new. And I mean actual mechanics, not gimmicks like the Gyrowing and a dumb control scheme.

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>>8822566
>All speculation
Not really.
>Really, I know it seems like I'm just handwaving this
Which you are.
>What if they didn't receive it well?
Reception I've seen from most people who praised it was positive. They even said it was the best Star Fox game they've played. Whether you think it wouldn't is up to you, but you can't deny it wouldn't be better than most of the games in the series.
>It was still a rehash of the original just with more freedoms and a walker mode.
Not it wasn't. It wasn't even linear. It was all all-range mode levels (or mostly), had a world where events happened in real time and you could chose where to go in any order instead of being stuck on set list of levels, had different vehicles with different stats, and the walker mode had sections inside enemy bases that are more exploratory compared to the linearity of the SNES game. "a rehash of the original just with more freedoms" is a statement that describes 64; because 64 is more a straight-up sequel whereas SF2 was more experimental.
>That sucks, I've played the most completed version and I simply don't feel it was ready.
We don't have access to the most complete version. Dylan Cuthburt said he played it a few years back. The one most people play is nearly complete but isn't as far as the game got before it was unceremoniously canned.

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It's just not a Star Fox thread without an autistic argument.

>>8822566
>Because Star Fox 64 would come out in just under two years. Meanwhile, the gap between 64 and Assault was eight years, meaning more time for a fondness without a new proper Star Fox (so Adventures doesn't count) to move things forward.
You have an amazing ability to stretch reality lol.

>SF64fags complained about them simply for existing.
Who cares if you've seen people say they just want a railshooter and nothing more, why does that bother you so much lol. I mean I don't agree with it, but what a thing to hang onto.

>That was Command.
No, Command was a shitshow.

>Because wasn't just a flat villain with a British accent anymore?
Because a character who had his space force torn up, subordinates killed in droves, entire operation in the area and station ruined, and main groups ships shot up, should not act mildly irritated.

It's shitty character design, you fuck everything up, and then he tells YOU that's enough, doesn't give you what you want to know, does a retarded "I'll get you next time gadget" line, and the next time you see him, he helps you and you're good buddies now.

It's embarrassing.

>No, pandering to nostalgia lead to this rut of Star Fox rehashing things and not trying anything new.
You do realize each game that tried something different, did it poorly. Like, what do you expect, people to jump for joy when it tries something else? Adventures was solid mechanically but was never a Starfox game, had awkward voices, plot holes the size of my anus after uncle arrives, and just hand waves things that don't make sense. Assault tried to find the balance, I commend it for what it TRIED, but it felt slow, clunky, the ground portions sucked, again the story and characters were cardboard hero / antihero / evil overlord cutouts, etc etc. Command was just garbage, too many flaws to list.

>Not really.
Cite your source.

>>8822588
>Reception I've seen from most people who praised it was positive. They even said it was the best Star Fox game they've played. Whether you think it wouldn't is up to you, but you can't deny it wouldn't be better than most of the games in the series.
>most people
>they even
Weasel words galore. Let's stay out of fallacy land if we can try shall we? I thought it was good, I also thought it needed more polish, and I DO NOT in any way shape or form think it's better than 64.

>Not it wasn't. It wasn't even linear.
I mean story wise mainly, the walker thing was just a joke cuz I hated those portions.

Mechanically SF2 had some cool concepts, but again, compared to 64, I prefer 64.

>We don't have access to the most complete version.
I mean the latest version we have access to.

>>8805596
I've barely played a Star Fox game, but Fennec girls are rare and adorable.

>>8823183
>It's just not a Star Fox thread without an autistic argument started by "Krystal is the downfall of the series" fag or "Ruining two IPs is better than having one mediocre IP" fag.
FTFY

>>8824035
>ruining 2 IPs
How'd you get that in your head lol?

>>8824055
>mutilated Dinosaur Planet
>bad Star Fox game

>>8824074
Wha?

I don't know how you would ruin two IPs by actually putting real effort into making a Star Fox game, and letting Rare at least try to make somethin outta DP.

>>8824084
>by actually putting real effort into making a Star Fox game
What game are you referring to here? Because it sure isn't Adventures.

>and letting Rare at least try to make somethin outta DP.
They were until Miyamoto sabotaged it.

>>8824127
I'm not sure I follow what you're saying or who's side you're on honestly. I thought you were saying you would rather have one mediocre game in Starfox Adventures, than ruining two IPs, such as Starfox never getting a sequel, and DP just being shit.

>>8824175
No, you keep acting like you DP was gonna be bad, but the logic you use implies you think dragging another IP down with it while ruining the original's integrity was a better idea.

>>8824218
Sorry mate, you're talkin to the wrong guy, I wanted both a good ground based Starfox game, and DP to get a chance to be DP.

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>>8812999
>except the one that came before it that did well and sparked a big fanbase
>that didn't have anything to do with it
Snes Starfox was its own thing with the FX chip. 64 is a remake of the original game, an upgrade. The rumble feature is one of the main things that helped push it forward, it was the first of its kind after all, and people jumped on it. Hell, I even remember that cheesy 64 advertisement talking about rumble. A gimmick that is now standard in modern gaming controllers. Years later Nintendo releases a port on the 3ds and it was no where near the same level of success as its N64 counterpart. Capcom releases Resident Evil HD Remastered and it sold over a million in no time flat. Nintendo remakes a half ass variation of 64, and sold like shit. Like I said 64 (the upgraded original) was a one hit wonder.

>I would have fucking loved SF2, but cmon, the cancellation gave room for 64, which did amazing.
What it did was set this notion that Starfox must remain on rails without being too different from the previous game. SF2 had the Walker, all range mode, and simple puzzles using the Walker form.

>>8821708
>If Star Fox 2 released when it was meant to the fandom would be more open to different gameplay ideas, characters on the team outside of the original four, and then there would have never been a need to pander to 64fags.
This so fucking much.

>>8824448
Still don't know what a one hit wonder is do you?

>What it did was set this notion that Starfox must remain on rails without being too different from the previous game.
No it didn't, that's just speculation, there is no basis whatsoever in reality and there is no proof this statement is true lol.

JESUS FUCKING CHRIST, YOU AUTISTIC FAGGOTS.

CAN YOU NOT DO THIS FOR ONCE?

>>8824234
So you're not the "DP was never gonna be good so ti was okay to make it a Star Fox game" guy? Ah, my bad then.

To clear up what I was saying, I'm saying that that other guy thinks Adventures happening was a better outcome then leaving Dinosaur Planet as it's own thing is utterly stupid because instead of just letting one new IP fade into obscurity he'd rather two IPs ruined by a single game.

>>8824673
Gotcha. No I'm the guy who said Krystal was the symbol of the series decline lol.

I was confused because I've had someone in the past say just that thing, that DP wasn't being received well so slapping Star Fox skins on all the characters was a way to save it, and I should be happy it let it "live."

Which, as you pointed out, is ridiculous.

>>8824610
Why? This is so much more interesting than some mundane porn thread. A billion of em here, let's nerd out and be autistic about our dead franchise.

>>8824743
>No I'm the guy who said Krystal was the symbol of the series decline lol.
Oh. You're just as annoying as that other guy, lol.

>>8824799
God damn right.

But I'm also correct.

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>>8824673

>Possible remake
or
>Being dead and forever shat on by Zeldafags, worse case that Rare ruins it

>>8824827
>Possible remake
Who cares, it's like remaking shit, it's still gonna be shit.

>Being dead and forever shat on by Zeldafags, worse case that Rare ruins it
Speculation, no basis in reality.

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>>8824859

>Speculation
>When Rare clearly has been dead since the day they were bought out
>All the recent games like Horizon that Zeldafags shit on because Zeldafags hate competition
>Not wanting a remake

Pretty obvious you're mad you didnt get the game you were hoping for, but I guess that's expected from a Rare fantard.

>>8823904
>You have an amazing ability to stretch reality lol.
What did I say that was wrong, bucko?

>Who cares if you've seen people say they just want a railshooter and nothing more
Because it proves my point: 64fags would have hated the ground sections even if they were good simply for doing something different gameplay-wise from 64.

>No, Command was a shitshow.
Exactly.

>It's embarrassing.
And "CAN'T LET YOU DO THAT STAR FOX!" Wolf isn't?

>You do realize each game that tried something different, did it poorly.
Because Nintendo stopped caring about quality control. Adventures doesn't even count since it was another game with Star Fox slapped onto it. Assault had rushed development and was made by Namco. Really the only one that doesn't have a good excuse is Command. I have no idea what happened there.

Long story short, Assault was bad for trying something different. It was just rushed. That is why it went wrong.

>Cite your source.
My source is reality. The fact that SF64fags are genwunner-tier in their vocalness. Actually probably even worse than genwunners since they had an entire game made to pander to them.

>Weasel words galore
Cute buzzword.

>I mean the latest version we have access to.
Which wasn't the version I was referring to when I said it was nearly complete before being canned.

>>8824887
Buddy, you're posting smug reaction images for yourself at this point. I think it's perfectly reasonable to want a good Star Fox game that was ALWAYS a Star Fox game, and to let Rare have a chance to do their own thing, and quite frankly any company have a chance to do their own thing. We won't ever know how it would have turned out, there have been lots of companies in shit positions that have turned around, and even more than failed, but we don't know.

That's why it's speculation, your best defense for Adventures is "Well it did better than DP woulda." Which neither flatters Adventures nor actually has any facts behind it.

I get you want to console yourself but, it's time to face reality at this point lol.

>>8824827
>Possible remake
Your hypothetical scenario is just that: hypothetical. Also you fail to explain how this will fix anything.

>Being dead and forever shat on by Zeldafags, worse case that Rare ruins it
Who cares if it would be dead. Should any one game IP be forced into another IP then? You act like not getting a sequel invalidates a game's existence. Also, wow, fanboys from a different game will hate on it? Such a great reason to turn it into Star Fox, bro.

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>>8824922

Define a Star Fox game

>>8824932

Not really hypothetical when it was announced of a musou game Koei proposed
Also do try to tell that to all of Rares games, last I checked they're all dead, some of which getting their corpses beaten

>>8824963
>Not really hypothetical when it was announced of a musou game Koei proposed
Yeah, and they said it would be melee combat. So it'd be Fox and co running around probably fighting how they did in Smash. Don't see how this is relevant to Adventures, lol.

>Also do try to tell that to all of Rares games, last I checked they're all dead
Better dead than a zombie, which is what Star Fox is.

>>8824909
>What did I say that was wrong, bucko?
>Meanwhile, the gap between 64 and Assault was eight years, meaning more time for a fondness without a new proper Star Fox (so Adventures doesn't count) to move things forward.

Yeah not like anything with a long gap between it will every have a successful different sequel...such a thing is just totally absurd.

>Because it proves my point
Anecdote, rejected

>And "CAN'T LET YOU DO THAT STAR FOX!" Wolf isn't?
Given the limitations of the system, and it being the first fully voice acted SF game, it's actually not bad.

Really, please hear me out on this. Of course it was silly, it wasn't supposed to be taken super serious anyway, but within the context of the universe and that game, all from a story standpoint, he was a decent villain. He shows up, it's quickly established he's a threat your guys can't handle on their own, especially in your first few times playing it's serious business mode. It's the difference between edge and edgy, it's just soft enough for everyone to enjoy, and just harsh enough to have a little kick behind it, talking about joining your dead father and what not. And it's also so much more rewarding, let's not forget that, when you blow him out of the sky, and he burns in with frustration not wanting to admit his loss, but blows up anyway. None of this stupid, oh you shot up my ship, here's the next cutscene where I'm mildly irritated and my ship is perfectly fine. None of that, just Fox vs Wolf in a blood match. Hell they go down so hard you don't even know if they actually survived till they pop up again, a clear rewarding victory. Felt like a Mass Effect 2 all survivors run when I beat that mission without losing anyone for the first few times.

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>>8824982

So you are just pissed you never got Dinosaur Planet, and it's been what, 14 years? You've been told before to get over this, but it's apparent you refuse to take that advice. Then again, like Rare fantards would ever listen.

Way to avoid the question too

>>8824909
>Because Nintendo stopped caring about quality control.
But you see my point right, it wasn't just BAD for trying something different, they tried something different, and did it poorly. People don't slam it just because it had ground portions, look at any of the reviews, find me some that says "This game is bad because it has ground portions."

No, you're going to see people talk about how clunky the ground portions feel, seriously, check out anything on it.

>My source is reality.
Anecdote, rejected.

>Cute buzzword.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weasel_word
Read up friendo.

>Which wasn't the version I was referring to when I said it was nearly complete before being canned.
Doesn't change the fact you're going to need to decide if it's a good idea and worth the risk to push it into production.

>>8824963
>Define a Star Fox game
A game set in and built around the SF universe established in the first game.

This is why Adventures isn't a Star Fox game in my eyes, it has horrid plot holes and hand waves everything Star Fox, but I mean shit, they HAD to. They were working with a game that had nothing to do with SF, there really was no decent way to do it EXCEPT hand wave it, guess they could have had Fox shot down and cut off from everyone, but even then it wouldn't feel like a Star Fox game because it's just Fox in a dinosaur filled planet lol.

No one saw Star Fox and said "Mmm, this needs fuckin dinosaurs man."

>>8825041
>argument gets destroyed
>lol rare fans dont listen get over it reee
lol this is silly now.

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>>8824572
>No it didn't, that's just speculation, there is no basis whatsoever in reality and there is no proof this statement is true
Yeah, sure it didn't. Meanwhile over the years in the comments.

Fox stays in his Arwing - "This is Starfox."
Fox himself goes on foot - "This isn't a Starfox game."

>>8825064
>A game set in and built around the SF universe established in the first game

So literally just rehash the same thing over and over. Are you by chance one of those people who bitches that the Metroid games were not always just on SR-388 or Zebes? Cause all i'm getting from this is fuck any possibility of other planets beyond what there is in 64.

>Complain about plotholes
>Doesnt want a remake even if they fixed that

>>8825173

>There are people who actually believe this

By this logic, Fox and everyone shouldnt even be in Smash, or even Mario Maker for that matter. Really anything where they're not flying cause it triggers purefags autism.

Actually I remember an old review for Command where the guy said, and I shit you not, the cockpit is where Fox belongs. Really makes you think.

I fucking swear it's the same autistic piece of shit in these threads every single time.

Get a job or off yourself.

>>8825028
>Yeah not like anything with a long gap between it will every have a successful different sequel...such a thing is just totally absurd.
Seems like you didn't even read what I said. You asked how wouldn't there be as much nostalgiafaggotry for SF2 if it was released. I explained that since SF64 would come shortly after, there wouldn't have been enough time to develop a nostalgia bias before Star Fox 64.

>Anecdote, rejected
Meanwhile, you have proof that Dinosaur Planet was gonna be bad where, exactly?

>>8825041
So you are just pissed that people hate Adventures, and it's been what, 14 years? You've been told before to get over this, but it's apparent you refuse to take that advice.

>Then again, like Rare fantards would ever listen.
Lol, not even a Rarefag.

>Way to avoid the question too
The post you asked the question to wasn't me, fag.

>>8825064
>they tried something different, and did it poorly.
It did poorly because the game was rushed, you dense tard.

>find me some that says "This game is bad because it has ground portions."
64fags don't have jobs in gaming journalism. They're internet commentators.

>Read up friendo.
I did. As I said: Cute buzzword.

>Doesn't change the fact you're going to need to decide if it's a good idea and worth the risk to push it into production.
You realise Star Fox 2's release would have been almost a year before the launch of the Nintendo 64, right. You act like it would have been released right around the time the N64 came out.

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>>8825215

I'm pretty sure it's this guy, his wording is too similar as next to no one says lol that much. Even if he isnt, he's equally as retarded as him.

>tfw mods wont ban him for shitting up these threads

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>>8825246

>Implying people hate Adventures

[citation needed]

>>8825286
>no argument
Well looks like we're done here, folks.

>>8825264
it took me this long to realize that mii is supposed to be fox

like holy shit how in the fuck, it doesn't look like anything

>>8825173
Fox stays in his Arwing - "This is Starfox."
Fox himself goes on foot - "This isn't a Starfox game."

Said not I. Assault for instance, is a Star Fox game, not necessarily a great one, but it is.

>>8825177
>So literally just rehash the same thing over and over.
Is your mind simple or...did you use some kind of complex reasoning to come to the conclusion I wanted that...

>Are you by chance one of those people who bitches that the Metroid games were not always just on SR-388 or Zebes?
Never really played much Metroid, so no.

>Cause all i'm getting from this is fuck any possibility of other planets beyond what there is in 64.
So yes, simple mind, understood.

>Doesnt want a remake even if they fixed that
It's Dinosaur Planet, no I don't a remake of a planet that has nothing to do with Star Fox. I would maybe like to see a cool one, like I said, based in the Star Fox UNIVERSE, that doesn't mean needing to be on rails simpleton, it means it exists within the universe, like, if I were to say Star Wars universe established by the original Trilogy, everyone would know what I was talkin about, but suddenly saying you want a Starfox game to take place in a Starfox existence, means I want a 64 remake again. WEW

Anyway, away from that tangent, the point is, it would be nice to see a game where maybe, I mean shit there doesn't even NEED to be Arwing segments, it would be cool to go to different planets, hop out, interact with the world, flesh it out. Kinda like what KOTOR did for Star Wars. Of course I don't want the same thing over and over, but I want it done RIGHT, and I want it to make sense. That means no "Oh you can't use a blaster because...." And no fucking land before time shit in my space anthro game.

>>8825307

>Get told to cite your sources
>l-lol I win!!

You cant because you're basing your claims on decade old arguments from purefags

>>8825177
>this remake meme again
Wait, I thought >>8825064 was that guy? I'm confused now.

>>8825318
You didn't address anything. All you did was pretend Adventures was popular.

>>8825246
>I explained that since SF64 would come shortly after, there wouldn't have been enough time to develop a nostalgia bias before Star Fox 64.
And I'm sure this is based on some measurable nostalgia bias time chart? If so please post.

>Meanwhile, you have proof that Dinosaur Planet was gonna be bad where, exactly?
I never said it was going to be bad

>It did poorly because the game was rushed, you dense tard.
And? You want fans to forgive that? My problem is you blame the fans for not wanting anything new. I'm explaining fans don't hate it just cuz its something new, it's because it was done poorly. It doesn't fucking matter if it was rushed lol, it doesn't change the fact it was done poorly and people don't like that.

>I did. As I said: Cute buzzword.
Fair enough, I see you want to stay in fallacyland, fair enough, they can't all be winners lol. I'm just doing it for your benefit after all.

>You realise Star Fox 2's release would have been almost a year before the launch of the Nintendo 64, right. You act like it would have been released right around the time the N64 came out.
You realize that means it's going to be selling into a self ending run right? Like, game comes out on a console that's older and less appealing, and sells as much as it can until the new hotness cleaves it completely. Shit marketing decision, the IP is still hot, move it onto the new console to boost sales there. This is entry level shit bro.

>>8825215
Not only is it the same guy making the same arguments, but after monitoring IP counts and looking at posting styles in past threads it's pretty safe to say he's also samefagging the OPPOSITION when nobody else is taking the bait. In other words, replying to his own posts with even shittier arguments so he can continue regurgitating his dumb copypastas and ad hominem statements.

I urge whoever makes future Star Fox threads to just fucking nuke them when they get out of hand like this. Enter to have multiple, short-lived threads that stay on topic for a little while than allow the retard to trample over them because some people can't leave well enough alone.

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>>8825341

How is a remake a meme? Does it bother you of such a possibility? Are you afraid you'll rage again if it did happen, even if it was better?

>>8825352

>Still not providing sources of your claims

>>8825407
>How is a remake a meme?
Because you keep spouting it like one.

>Does it bother you of such a possibility?
Nah, because it will never happen.

>>8825392
That's some real paranoid sleuthing brother.

I admit I post the Krystal decline meme to stir up conversation but I've never replied to myself lol.

>>8825392

You may want to provide this, i'm pretty sure other boards did this when they were dealing with samefags

>>8825379
>And I'm sure this is based on some measurable nostalgia bias time chart? If so please post.
Are you so retarded that you think it nostalgia can develop so shortly? Star Fox Zero came out last year, so I guess you think nostalgia for Star Fox Zero exists already?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nostalgia

>I never said it was going to be bad
It's been your argument for why ruining it with Star Fox tagging along was supposedly a good idea.

>I'm explaining fans don't hate it just cuz its something new, it's because it was done poorly. It doesn't fucking matter if it was rushed lol, it doesn't change the fact it was done poorly and people don't like that.
And yet they aren't demanding those ideas done right; they're demanding more SF64 rehashes.

>I'm just doing it for your benefit after all.
Lol, get over yourself.

>Like, game comes out on a console that's older and less appealing, and sells as much as it can until the new hotness cleaves it completely. Shit marketing decision, the IP is still hot, move it onto the new console to boost sales there.
Are you so retarded you think a year isn't enough time for a game to sell well and that Star Fox 64 would somehow bomb if SF2 existed?

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>>8825392

>>8825490
I'm saying the time it takes isn't set in stone lol, Of course I agree time is a factor, but I'm saying basing the failure of Adventures on "nostalgia" which prevents anyone from liking anything else, is ridiculous.

>It's been your argument for why ruining it with Star Fox tagging along was supposedly a good idea.
What? Which person do you think I am lol.

>And yet they aren't demanding those ideas done right; they're demanding more SF64 rehashes.
Who's they?

>Lol, get over yourself.
I want to better your arguments mate, you can't just base everything off your experience and interactions or say things like "They" without showing who they are, I want to turn you into a sharp, skilled idea combatant!

>Are you so retarded you think a year isn't enough time for a game to sell well and that Star Fox 64 would somehow bomb if SF2 existed?
Are you so retarded you'd sell on a console at the end of its life, mass production style?

Dayam.

>>8825531

It's very possible actually, unless the anon who made it was rusing there used to be a way to identify samefags by inputting some code. Since then it was removed, but regardless you do have retards that samefag.

>>8825619
He was probably rusing because he was mad. I mean honestly think about it, there's 42 posters in this thread, and 175 replies. Chances are people just have differing opinions, no shit, this fandom ALWAYS has differing opinions lol.

>>8825609
>but I'm saying basing the failure of Adventures on "nostalgia" which prevents anyone from liking anything else, is ridiculous.
So confirmed for not actually reading my posts, great. I was talking about how SF64 nostalgia is the series won't try to evolve or do anything new, only pander to 64fags.

>What? Which person do you think I am lol.
Ugh, you and that other retard are so annoying and similar I can't even tell whose who now.

>Who's they?
SF64 fanboys.

>Are you so retarded you'd sell on a console at the end of its life, mass production style?
Are you implying Skyward Sword doesn't exist? Or that Paper Mario doesn't exist?

>>8825619
Look buddy, I'm not samefagging. I'm replying to two other anons who both have retarded stances. One blames Krystal for killing Star Fox and the other defends Adventures and claims Dinosaur Planet would have been worse.

>>8825745
>I was talking about how SF64 nostalgia is the series won't try to evolve or do anything new, only pander to 64fags.
Okay. And? I have a feeling we've lost track of everyone elses points lol. My point was, no I don't want just the same thing, 64 was my favorite game, but I don't want it to be my only Star Fox experience. Someone called me out for, well several people did, for being a 64fag who just is buttmad at something different. Who cares what 64fags purists think tho honestly lol.

>>8825745
Yeah, Paper Mario was released, and it sold poorly for a Mario game. It sold roughly 10% the number of copies Super Mario 64 did. Skyward sword is a different case, though it sold poorly compared to Twilight Princess before it, another game of the same genre which had much more console life to ride on.

It's different though because we've entered the digital age, you're gonna be able to get Skyward sword on many consoles to come. The entire console market is based on new exclusives at this point anyway.

>>8825760
I don't blame Krystal for killing Star Fox, I just like to rile people up by saying it lol.

But, Adventures IS where the decline started.

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>>8825941
You know you don't have to justify your Krystal porn by pretending Adventures was good right?

We all /trash/ here

>>8825837
>Yeah, Paper Mario was released, and it sold poorly for a Mario game.
Can't have been that poorly if it got a sequel on the next console.

>Skyward sword is a different case
How?

>>8825854
So you're saying all those derails you've caused were just you shitposting? Wow...

>>8826295
>Can't have been that poorly if it got a sequel on the next console.
A limited release is one thing, you don't do that to a direct followup to one of the most booming series at the time.

>How?
Again, digital, you can just ride it onto the next console.

>>8826295
If by derail you mean the Krystal decline copypasta, yes. I am in fact, not replying to myself as that other person speculated.

>>8826351
>Again, digital, you can just ride it onto the next console.
Bad excuse. The Wii U is backwards compatible. Don't need a digital copy.

>If by derail you mean the Krystal decline copypasta, yes.
Well can you stop being a fag then?

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>>8826013

Who said anything about porn? I'm just saying it didnt do anything wrong here, yet it's amusing how it still pisses off some people.

Though I guess since you asked

>>8826573
I know but that doesn't really help your case, that's my entire point, the jump from 64 to Gamecube was a big deal because of no backwards compatibility.

>Well can you stop being a fag then?
When people stop bitin maybe.

>>8826618
Fair enough, post somethin of quality tho.

if you fags just stop bitching over GCN and N64 Star Fox games again, Pixiv just open a server at a site similar to Twitter

the site's called Mastodon and the server is called Pawoo

https://pawoo.net/

if you catch any artist posting some good Star Fox goods outside their twitter or pixiv account, be sure to come over here.

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>>8824572
SNES Starfox is in it's own class of classic. You can only only choose one set path and that's it from start to finish, but in 64 you can make your own path, which is why it stands out way more than the original. Thus why many people view 64 as its own entity.

>Starfox snes - The original and is overshadowed 64.
>Starfox 2 - The game that shoud've been, and was different the first.
>64 - Takes a few elements from Starfox 2, but it's basically the first game but much better.
>Starfox 643ds - Nothing much to say here, it's just 64 again on a mobile handheld.
>Zero - It's half-assed, but it's still 64 yet again. It's clear as day they were banking on nostalgia with this one. If I went into great detail about it, this would be a tl;dr type of post so I'll leave this here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJg1M3cfqrU

They gave us 64 like three times already over the years. The 3ds one, and the half-assed Wii U one fall way short of the N64 one, it's not even a contest. Hence why I call the N64 Starfox a one hit wonder.

>>8825854
>I just like to rile people up
So predictable. Nothing but a try and fail.

>>8829322
>So predictable. Nothing but a try and fail.

And yet you keep replying to the autist.

Stop doing that.

>>8829322
So a one hit wonder is something that just comes out with a bang, borrowed primarily from the music industry, because it overshadows everything else on the album, or the album overshadows their work. One hit wonders generally burn very very brightly and then fade just as quickly once people get through it.

Undertale, is a one hit wonder.

I don't think you realize just how BIG Star Fox was, on the SNES, how much it changed 3d games, how big the hype train was around it with the competition and prizes and just everything about it. You may be a youngin, me too, but really look into the SF history bud, if ANYTHING was a one hit wonder, it was that, since it later fell more into obscurity vs 64 which has dwindled but remained the more memorable one.

Just because its longevity is better doesn't make it a one hit wonder.

>Zero - It's half-assed, but it's still 64 yet again. It's clear as day they were banking on nostalgia with this one. If I went into great detail about it, this would be a tl;dr type of post so I'll leave this here
Take a look at SF3D, it didn't sell very well, but the reviews are solid, it's not the best, and imo the voices are kinda dulled, as is the sound design, but it's still a solid game. People were disappointed over it, as we wanted something new, but it wasn't a bad game.

Now look at Zero, it's not JUST a nostalgia thing, it forced the most garbage controls into your hands, and the most garbage screen in your face, on top of being uninspired and stale. That's what killed Zero, it's not just ONE issue. Not saying it wasn't an issue, but you can't stand up and say HUR NOSTALGIAFAGS KILLED STARFUX. No, Nintendo killed it, no nostalgiafag asked for that design "feature."

>So predictable. Nothing but a try and fail.
Yeah, such a failure lol, good thing no one got invested in it.

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Can everyone stop bitching and look at this doggo for five minutes.

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Is her fur naturally pink or is it dyed.

>>8824887
>When Rare clearly has been dead since the day they were bought out
Viva Fucking Pinata you son of a bitch

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>BIG
>FLOOFY
>BOOBIES

>>8832736
>armpit hair
hot

>>8832413
Well looking at a picture of a dog for 5 minutes seems kinda creepy, and a waste of 5 minutes.

>>8758688
>trunchbull
8ch fag

>>8832442
Miyu recounts one story of many about Fox's various homosexual escapades. Krystal realizes the time is right to stop tucking.

>>8834299
your mother is creepy and a waste of five minutes

>>8825941
Plot sucked
Tricky is somehow more annoying than Slippy
Barely any space battles
Talking Dinosaurs and Mammoths and shit
No Boss Fight with General Scales
Andross is behind it all
Fox and Krystal flirting with each other complete with sex jazz music near the end when earlier they showed no indication of attraction to one another

Now I'm not saying Fox has to be gay because muh otp but fuck if you're going to pair them together at least provide some proper build up.

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>>8838251

Why a remake would possibly help with that., but I guess it bothers some people.

>When you can think of a better build up than the original
>That and just overall how the freelance mission goes

>>8838288
No more Remakes.

Start a fresh story after Zero.

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>>8838335

>Fresh story after Zero
>Just 64 yet again but with even more of a clusterfuck of fanfic stupidity, as if Zero wasnt already a mess that discredited 64
>Implying anyone wants this

>>8838394
Compared to the alternative suggestion I've seen in these threads: "they should make a game that takes place after Assault"

That's a terrible idea.

>>8838646

That's what people want, they dont want 64 again. They want the series to progress, not constantly rehash the same boring plot you already know. 64's era ended long ago, it just took until Zero to get people to finally realize that. Keeping up with that will actually make people hate it, kind of why many hate the NSMB series despite how they sell.

>Gameinformer and numerous reviews admit 64 was never that good because of Zero
>Gameinformer especially implied this
>Most reviews gave Zero a 6 or less

>>8838745
No that's what you want, not what I want.

Just bring Panther and Krystal back and do something new. Assault was 12 years ago and you already got a sequel named Command.

Let it go.

>>8838646
Explain to me why that's a terrible idea. Explain to me why it wouldn't be perfectly fine for Fox and co. to just continue on after Assault and fight a new big bad bent on galactic conquest rather than reusing Andross for the 90th time. Explain to me why it's a terrible idea to visit planets other than Corneria and Titania and Aquas.

>>8838745
>caring what gameinformer thinks
You wha?

>>8839241
Again, because command came out. It's so arbitrary, people want all these different restart points JUST FOR THEM, so they can keep their headcanon. What they honestly need to do is stop the story of them, or at least the progressive story. Make something interesting about a set of missions, but stop trying to make some kind of order out of it. Make it a collection of events and stories, it would be cool to see some of the other shit they did, are doing, or will do, but trying to make a story out of a game this damaged is going to create some sonic tier faggotry.

>>8840436
I don't get how someone can draw/render something so well but then fuck up on things like the shoulders and feet

It's distracting, dammit

Krystal is quite good looking for a humanoid fox

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>>8823960
>Fennec girls are rare and adorable
you're my nigga

>>8839153

Command isnt canon though, they kind of confirmed that. Even then nobody likes that game anyway

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>>8830323
>Stop doing that.
Sorry, I just like putting these kind of people in their place, regardless if they're being willful ignorant or not.

>>8829166
Pixiv already announced it. I'll register at some point. Still, thanks for the heads up.

>>8838394
Some people actually think Zero opens the store for all sort of story, this is just their headcanon talking. Miyamoto himself didn't know where to take the series after 64.

>>8843008
>I just like putting these kind of people in their place
>by biting their bait
Lurk before posting.

>>8840986
Command isn't canon.

>>8843076
It still took place after Assault, making it a sequel.

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>>8843237

>Made next to no reference to it, not even to Adventures until the very last minute
>None of the endings are canon as recently confirmed, meaning Command is practically non canon
>Smash 4 made no reference to Command, best example is Krystals trophy description as the relationship bullshit was obliterated. On top of that every other trophy that was from Command was removed completely
>Just like Other M, no one likes Command

There's a reason why many want Command to get retconned. If the Neptunia series could go back and patch up a ton of shit, then they could easily just make an Assault sequel that fucks over Command completely. Better yet the way I thought of it is "remake" Command but realistically fuck it over by pretty much skipping the entire thing.

>Command is the Prologue
>98% of everything that happened in the original never happens here, no disbanding, breakup, etc. Only the Anglars and Wolfs bounty is still there
>You literally only do about two levels (Corneria, skips to venom) of this then the real game begins after you wipe out the fishmen

If you dont know what I mean on Neptunias end, they've sort of gone back and patched up a few things here and there. Biggest example is the very first game, the game was that much of a mess that I think they even joked on it. At least for how broken Neptune Break was. You'd have to ask some in Nep threads about it.

>>8840438
There a story behind this?

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>>8843359
This is canon.

>>8829322
>that video
>all that lying about the story
Why is this allowed? Doesn't this count as false advertising which you can actually be sued against for?

>>8844266
What do you mean?

>>8844670

Not him, but as someone who's followed up on the numerous interviews, Miyamoto was completely full of shit when it came to Zero.

>Claimed there wasnt enough explained in 64 when 64 already had enough of a plot
>The whole "is Andross really the bad guy?" thing of his is a load of shit as Zero never did this, in fact that ending part of the promo animation was never implemented in the main game, adding to how this is false advertising
>The portals do not play a major role at all, they're just there, in fact 64 had these already and those actually did help with getting to the hard route easily. For Zero it's just for dumb bonus stages and worse yet for its plot it makes it a fucking mess
>Miyamoto spent probably a good year if not more bitching over how Japan wasnt loving the series, in fact when Zero failed so hard he immediately went into a fit and declared Zero "the most underrated WiiU game", which unless im just stretching things, you never see someone say unless they were that pissed
>Disregarding how a game like Solatorobo, a game that didnt do so well overall, has quite the following in Japan. Go figure
>Miyamoto also held back the series because he had to force a gimmick on it, it's why Star Fox never had a game on Wii despite there being a minor comeback of the rail shooter genre (which after S&P 2 and all the other rail shooters, it completely died)
>This exact stupidity of his is why F-Zero is fucked because he stated he'd never allow for another game to be made unless a gimmick was shoehorned in

I could really go on, but to save you a ton of explanation the video in anon >>8829322 will explain just how full of shit the interviews were.

There's other videos on him on how he's the Japanese George Lucas, which hilariously does piss off fanboys since they think he can do no wrong.

>>8844670
Skip to 17:10 and watch as Miyamoto lies about the story of Zero.

>>8845326
>Japanese George Lucas
>Not Hideo Kojima

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>>8845482
We need more MILF Peppy

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>all that lying about the story
I experienced this entire game for myself. It doesn't make you feel like Andross could be a good guy, and that Miyamoto interview said that was focused on in Zero. And character backgrounds weren't explored in Zero either.

>>8832429
Lol, dat forehead space.

That face in general looks awful.

>>8845532
>milf peppy
i didn't know i wanted this.

>>8838288
>Why a remake would possibly help with that
A remake won't remove the Star Fox from it, so you're wrong.

>>8846071

You're kinda proving the point on that rarefags are butthurt over "muh dinosaur planet", despite how long it's been. It's like the banjofags that were under this delusion that getting him in a game that Microsoft could easily make a clone out of would somehow "bring him back home" despite how clearly impossible it is.

For the record, they were pissed off as all fuck too.

>>8846309
Shut up Adventuresfag. Your failure of a game will never be remade. Suck it.

>>8838646
>it's a terrible idea to let the story continue instead of rehashing muh 64 again
LOL

>>8839241
He's a 64fag, anon. You won't get a good answer from him.

>>8840986
See? What did I tell you?

>>8843415
>If the Neptunia series could go back and patch up a ton of shit
It can't remove itself from existence though, which is exactly what that shitty series should do.

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>>8846368

Oh, did I hurt your feelings there? Why rarefags like you arent taken seriously now, especially not after how Yooka-Laylee turned out.

>>8845811
remember how the anime short literally try to hint that Peppy and Pepper are up to no good either?

Zero did nothing to comply to that either, just Andross re-instating about how Pepper isn't in the bright light either.

also, that sudden return of ghost James was really fucking bullshit

>>8846413
You dumbass I don't want another rehash of 64 I want it to follow the events after Zero with a new story and new characters (with Panther, Miyu, Fay and Krystal coming back).

What I don't want is to go back to Adventures-Assault-Command ever again.

>>8842910
Too bad. That is your sequel to Assault.

Hold that.

>>8847491

>Game isnt canon and hated by everyone
>T-too bad!! It still is!!

Tell this to Metroid fans with Other M and even Federation Force

>>8847528
Other M is a shitty prequel taking place before Fusion, there's no making it go away sadly. So yeah that's canon.

>>8847688
>Nintendo says Other M isn't canon
>Other M stops being canon

Wow, that was hard.
Disney just did the same thing with the entire Star Wars EU.

>>8847720
>S-surely Nintendo will fix things
Hahahahaha

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>>8843359
>tfw you will never be a lust penis

>>8853530
Sauce?

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>>8855376

>>8847688
>other M literally contradicts every game in the series
no it isnt, its in its own timelinee

>>8846504
>rarefags like you
Lol, not even a Rarefag. Stay salty, Adventard.

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>>8855781

>Bitch about Adventures literally because "it wasnt dinosaur planet"
>Refuse to accept a remake for the latter reason
>Get assdevastated when you get called a rarefag and even more so when anon explains why people like you are insufferable
>"I-i'm not a rarefag!!"

Deal with it

>>8847403
>You dumbass I don't want another rehash of 64 I want it to follow the events after Zero with a new story and new characters
Zero is a re-telling not a reboot so it isn't a new continuity.

>What I don't want is to go back to Adventures-Assault-Command ever again.
So you're a 64fag, got it.

>>8855740
Are you really that deluded?

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>>8856535
>Bitch about people not liking Adventures literally because "it was a bad game that had no place in Star Fox but I think that's better than letting another IP exist"
>keep pushing autistic remake meme
>Get assdevastated when you get called an Adventuresfag and even more so when anon explains why people like you are insufferable
>"I-i'm not an Adventuresfag!!"

Deal with it.

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man, it's going to take forever to convince prime fanboys that Sakamoto did nothing to the sub-series

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>>8857114

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and for shame, no body in the metroid fandom in /v/ don't even know words like "filler" or "secondary canon"

it's either "spinoff" or "non-canon"

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>>8857160

>Cant even come up with a major comeback

Ok autist we get it, you're triggered people want a remake of a game that still bothers you, which is why i'm all for what anon wants.

>>8856535
>once great artist now forcing disgusting ape shit onto everything
what a disappointing fate

>>8857343
i love some lorefag autismo had to waste time typing up this post while pic related (see >>8857317) literally destroys it

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>>8857317
>>8857360
we get the point fellas, Other M and Faggot Force dont exist

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>>8857402

If it's any consolation, that shit pissed the everlasting fuck out of Chameloshi. Even something like Falco fucking Krystal sets him off

>>8857473
>rubbing your vulva on a sign post
She's going to have so many colors dripping out of that thing.

>>8799987
Hey bro. Don't post my doodle. Look at that anatomy and those faces. It's nasty bruh.

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>>8857473

To go into further detail, Chameloshi absolutely hates it if Krystal is not paired with Fox either it be lewd or non lewd. I get some people get pissed over the OC x character thing (though i'm guilty myself), but he takes it to such great lengths that it cant even be her own kind such as Falco or dare say Slippy. That's right, he loses his shit if Krystal is getting fucked by those from the same series or anything related to Nintendo.

>>8857343
>the game is in it's own timeline because Sakamoto can't write
Lol okay

>>8857396
>people want
Nobody here wants a remake but you, you self-unaware autismo.

>>8799987
>>8800261
Why do people keep reposting these garbage pics every thread?

>>8857905
Dem niggas got terrible taste.

>>8857905
Maybe, I dunno, some people have different preferences other than yours?

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>>8857928
This is the largest nugget of horse shit I've read all night.

>>8857928
>implying those faces in the first one aren't flat-out bad
>implying the thighs being wider than the butt doesn't look retarded

>>8858028
>who's looking at the faces
>maybe I like thighs, faggot

>>8858338
>lol it's okay for parts of the art I don't fap to to be bad.

>>8845532
Oh SHIT.

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>>8860799
Yup, she thicc

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>>8861369

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>>8861788

>>8857114
Sounds like you're just an Assaultfag wanting it to still matter today.

>>8843595
zootopia in spppaaaaaccce

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>>8862619
>implying it doesn't

>>8862806
It was mediocre at best, every now and then I break it out and think about what could have been but, they handled it poorly, let's face it.

>>8857449
>>8857317
thank god there's some smart people here in /trash/

fuck the autists in /v/