What would you do?

if you pull the switch your a murderer
do nothing and youre not involved. pretty simple

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>>7981586
What would YOU do?

>>7981588
50 years is a lot of years though

>>7981587
Not if you're somewhere with good samaritan laws

>>7981586
If top was someone who love and raised me and bottom were my closest friends I would choose bottom.

The father figure would say something like "it's ok Hannah, it's time to let me go and move on, I'll always be your daddy"

And I'll be like "ok"

>>7981586
multitrack drift

>>7981586
the situation is implausible

>>7981591
r u a girl?

>>7981587
If the law told you to push people under speeding trains, would you do it?

Seriously, why do so many americans, citizens of supposedly the most free nation on Earth, have such a thoughtslave cuck mentality?

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>>7981592
I think you're a faggot, but I'll post it anyway.

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>>7981587
>>7981595
Faggot

>>7981586
Kill one man, it's a tragedy. Kill ten million, it's a statistic.

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>>7981599
Sure, you can just kill 10 million and call it a day. But what if you had to force other people into deciding whether or not to kill five and potentially have them all add up to 10 million?

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RYU GA WHAT THE FUCK YOU GONNA DO?

>>7981598
This is darker than I thought

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>>7981601

>>7981601
I bitch and moan that I got a 5 man Rez and didn't get POTG.

>>7981600
Pull the lever and hope the other guys aren't stupid enough to not save the other 3.

>>7981606
It repeats ad infinitum

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This

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>>7981610

>>7981601
>team has 4 dps and roadhog
Nigga how they even got that far

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I SUMMON EXODIA, TROLLEY PROBLEM

>>7981612
>Cowboy Bepop Theme plays

What other good anime songs would go well?

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>>7981616
Mines better

>>7981608
The best possible outcome is 4 deaths. Then it varies from 5-8 after that.

>>7981612
JIBUN WO

>>7981595
>thoughtslave
innovative af, usually people have to argue using real words! you've transcended this argument; anything you post now will be sent through a wormhole and into a facebook comment thread about athiesm in a mostly christian people group such as nebraska

>>7981614
Answer?

>>7981615
Credens Justitiam

>369244347
3C

>>7981614
The real problem is how the hell do I tell which track gets moved to where when I pull the lever?

>>7981614
D4?

Also what the fuck is Cheryl's problem

>>7981612
>not roundabout

>>7981621
Lol I'm not a nerd, I can't work it out.

>>7981614
A2

>>7981614
C3.

>I don't know which is the correct pad, but I know that you don't know either
Eliminates tracks A and B.
>At first I didn't know which was the correct pad, but now I do
Eliminates track 1.
>Now I know which is the correct pad too
Eliminates track D.

>>7981586
Probably nothing desu.

And I wouldn't feel any guilt for it either.

>>7981587

In all seriousness this is the correct answer. Unless the one guy alone told you explicitly to let him die.

>>7981630
Jokes on you, you're not longer a bystander as soon as you realise what's going to happen.

>>7981617
What if I switch to the newly opened door?

>>7981632
Whatever man.

>>7981626
>Roundabout
>Anime song

>>7981623
Show work

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Anyone got the skateboard problem?

>>7981629
I don't get it.

>>7981612
Komm Susser Tod

>>7981595

You're missing the point.You don't have the moral authority to determine who gets to live and who gets to die. The blame for the outcome falls on whoever created the scenario in the first place.

>>7981586
Almost everybody says they'd choose the utilitarian option, although I'm pretty certain that 99% of people who say so would simply freeze and panic and let somebody else -- or nobody else -- make the decision and take action, meaning five people die anyway. That's neither here nor there.

A more interesting version of the trolley problem doesn't depend on a person's actual willingness to decide. It involves a fat (very fat) man on a bridge over the track. You see the trolley coming, you see the tied-up people, and you see the opportunity to push the fat man over to block the trolley and save everyone else. The utilitarian option, once again.

But almost nobody says they would do that because it's murder. Same outcome as the first first problem -- one person dies, several people live. But people's seemingly innate moral revulsion to causing a death rather than letting people die illustrates what some philosophers and anthropologists cite as the basic neurological origin of law.

>>7981612
NOW I'VE LOST IT

>>7981634
Murderer.

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>>7981636
I'll take partial credit

>>7981612
S O M E

>>7981643
Deal with it.
I certainly will :^)

>>7981644
I'm not educated in his works. Mind summarizing so I can understand how the trolley problem was solved?

>>7981641
Fat people are gross

Who am I decide who gets to die? Fate has already made it's decision, I will not stand in her way.

>>7981616
>>7981617
Always switch famalam

>>7981647
So you admit you could have saved lives, but in your ignorance though you could avoid the responsibilities of somebody in a cohesive and civilised society?

Pathetic. The world would be a terrible place if you were the norm. Don't reply, I'll just hide your posts. Pathetic.

who the fuck installed a trolley track switch lever in my bedroom

>>7981597

>Failing to save somebody is the same as murdering them

Wow, I bet you must hate doctors for mass murdering all those people they didn't save.

What happens if we replace the people in the tracks for Schrödinger's cats?

>>7981601
>wipe the 5
>Mercy resurrects them and gets POTG over Hanzo anyway

Kill the Mercy

>>7981649
Right? You'd think more people would agree to sacrifice a human paragon of waste for the greater good, but it's important to note that this question was posed to Americans.

>>7981656
Malpractice lawsuits

>>7981653
>t. a crazy faggot who ties people to tracks

>>7981651
Who is to say fate didn't determine that you would pull the lever? By not pulling the lever, you're changing fate.

>>7981660

>A doctor failing to save somebody = malpractice

Not too bright are ya?

>>7981660
Malpractice lawsuits must prove that there was malpractice. Failure isn't the same as malpractice.

Why am I even responding to this

>>7981656
Show me exactly where in the picture it says that. You're arguing a point you made up your self.

>>7981660
please post link for someone successfully sued for letting people die in triage

>>7981648
The picture is unrelated...depending on whether you're a cathar or not.

>>7981617
>>7981616
I'm still mad about the logic of the goat behind the door.
Fuck that goat.

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Save the girl

>>7981588
Gimmie the lamp, I'll use one of my wishes to go on a cooky anime adventure to rescue his spirit.

>>7981660

People die in the care of doctors all the time without any malpractice.

Save the cheerleader, save the world

>>7981656
>>7981641
Please refer to the version I cited. Sorry there's no diagram.

It's been shown that people draw a sharp distinction between letting someone die and causing his death. I think that's because people actually believe that fate and proaction are entirely different things.

>>7981671
I just did a lab on this in muh stats class.

Of a contributing 16 person class, the chances of winning were 26.87% higher if staying rather than switching.

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>>7981670
I don't understand the logic behind the solutions. How did everyone determine the correct platform?

>>7981671
Why does the logic madden you?

>>7981612
>Plays Nico Nico ni

>>7981638
Dumbass

>>7981676
>It's been shown that people draw a sharp distinction between letting someone die and causing his death

That's because those people are fucking stupid

>>7981641
I like the one where the doctor has a choice of killed one healthy person to harvest organs to save 5 other people. It's a lot harder to defend the one death in that one than in the trolley scenario.

>>7981678
Would that loop work? The trolley would fly off the top of the loop, by the looks of it.

http://moralmachine.mit.edu/hl/
Post results

>>7981677
That's supposed to be wrong

>>7981677
Post working out.

Fucking mod, this thread is totally video game related

>>7981720
At least he linked it. Even if I did lose all my (You)s.

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>>7981686

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>>7981586
h-hayai!

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http://moralmachine.mit.edu/results/455137471

I did right?

>>7981716
I didn't save the stat crunch work and he's holding onto the lab for grading right now.

>>7981687
Statistically, not empirically.

>>7981798
Yes
>>7981779
Animals can't follow the law
>>7981720
This fuck mods

>>7981720
This.
Mods should fucking kill themselves.

>>7981859
If we put the mods in the tracks?

>>7981686
http://moralmachine.mit.edu/results/271673972
i am fairly certain that i am not a sociopath

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>>7981883
Fucking feminazi!!

>>7981883
No just a thief

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Well, since you're on /trash/ now, you get Waifus.

>>7981880
Multitrack drifting

>>7981920
Claiming boy princess

>>7981915
HE WAS BREAKING THE LAW, IF HE WANTED TO STAY ALIVE HE WOULD HAVE WAITED FOR THE GREEN LIGHT

>>7981951
THAT'S WHAT A FEMINAZI WOULD SAY!

>>7981586
http://moralmachine.mit.edu/hl/fr/browse/-269044732

>>7981645
B O D Y

>>7982057
O N C E

>>7981586
Switch it to the one guy, then attempt to switch again after the front wheels have gone over. Hopefully it would derail.

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>>7982238

>>7981920
Orc Princess

Also, is Trap Princess now an underage trap or is it just a name change?

jump in front of the trolley

>>7981598
I laughed way harder than I should've

>>7981598
I feel bad for laughing

>>7982071
T O L D M E

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>>7981637

>>7982678
Just a name change. He looks the part, but is of consenting age.

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can some tell me why do people like this because i really want to kown

https://youtu.be/-N_RZJUAQY4

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>>7981646

Not enough information to solve this ethics dillema.

Do I like that guy, dislike him? eh?

>>7981595
>thoughtslave cuck mentality
it must be real easy to not have to think critically anymore and just repeat whatever you hear on /pol/

>>7982365

I don't get it, what's the dilemma?

>>7981676
>>sharp distinction between letting someone die and causing his death

>Yes sir, I could very easily stopped that bomb that leveled an entire city
>But my refusal to take action doesn't make me a mass-murderer, sir

There's a very good reason that "A robot may not injure a human being or, THROUGH INACTION, allow a human being to come to harm" is one of Isaac Asimov's laws of robotics

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>>7987794

>>7981920
Ghost princess seems nice

>>7987794
Pull the lever anyway, case you will only be responible for the deaths of two. If the five get hit in the middle its on the other person.

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>>7981586
I'd pull it, and have no problem it's simple. People get hung up thinking not doing something is different than letting him him die from doing nothing but its really not.

>>7981586
Pull it while the trolley is crosing the intersection so it derails and kills everyone in the scene, including the passengers.

>>7981586
Jump infront of the train

>>7981614
Shove Albert and Bernard in front of each of the two trolleys.

>>7987794
I ain't touching that lever

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>>7981586
ZA WARUDO
TOKI WO TOMARE

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>>7981602
>who would do such a thing

>>7994114
Pull switch, he'd probably make the cure give everyone nazi aids.

http://moralmachine.mit.edu/results/-357329051

>>7981586
Pull the lever.
In the "pushing a fat man off a bridge" version. I wouldn't do it.
Shit's weird.

>>7981672
Thanks for reminding me how poorly written game's ending was

>>7987794
Tell the other guy trough hand gestures to kill 4 people for shit and giggles.

>>7981588
destroy the lamp because from an utalitarian point of view, people are happier if they are all assured to not be suddenly sacrificed for the greater good

>>7997827
If ALL person on earth get dust in eyes, there could be quite a few car accident that day

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>>7997494
500 years? Yeah right, give it a month.

>>8000575
SAVE THE FUCKING CAT

>>7991637
KEK

>>7981588
>save lamp
>resurrect the guy
>have two wishes left
ez

>>8000518
Or surgery or plane accidents.

>>7981612
>You cannot kill yourself.
everytime

>>7981654
Kek

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>>8001776
>>7981673
No one said there was a fucking genie inside, faggots

>>7997827
This dude gets it.

>>7987794
would be better if when you back down and pull the lever your trolley is also destroyed, so if one backs down but the other doesn't their trolley remains intact while the other's is destroyed

>>8007945
It's implied. What else would a magic lamp do you loophole-seeking bitch?

>>8008018
It's not implied. Inside is a "Dust Demon" and saving it will cause the dust demon to kill one person and torture their soul for 50 years.

That is not a genie. It's a demon in a lamp.

>>8007891
Kek

>>7981588
That's way more people than have ever lived or probably will ever live.

The lamp must magically ensure that humanity survives long enough for that many humans to exist.

Unless they're doomed to be born into a dust-in--eye-having dystopia, that's probably the better option

>>8000450
I get it!

>>7981586
jump under the tram

not to stop it, i mean, just to die..

>>7991637
what the heck man :(

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>>7981920
Why the fuck isn't there a horse princess?

>>7981586
Sacrifice the liberal progressives.

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>>7994365
>not posting the better version

>>7981686
http://moralmachine.mit.edu/results/1426888950

>>7981654
Kek

>>7994365
>>8016767
Fuck off fags

>>7981612
>All-Star
>plays any anime song
I coose BOTH
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZX06sd_qpA

>>7989645

You mean the laws that didn't even work in asimov's own books, the rules which were introduced to write interesting stories of what happens when they are broken?

Those rules?

>>7991637
A WEAPON TO SURPASS METAL GEAR

>>7981920
Succubus for me

>>8026898
See what you get when you attempt to kill the most people possible.

kill them all

>>7981599
>>7981587
Five people die because you do nothing, nobody panics, because it's all part of the plan. But you pull a lever and kill one person, well then everybody loses their minds!

>>7984015
THE WORLD IS

>>7981680
Oh fuck, this killed my sides.

>>8022066
It is sad how people are always saying that we need those rules for real robots when the whole point of the books are how flawed they are.

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>>7981611

>>7984052
>why didn't god pull the lever?
For the lulz

best thread on trash

>>8035589
Truly a great board, where a moved in thread is better than anything people post here.

>>7981611
this is real life and none of this shit applies

clickity clack, down the track

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Found on /b/

>>7984052
A perfect world without suffering would be boring

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKHOpw6tpd4

>>7981586
Jump in front of the tram before it hits anyone
That way I can't be blamed for whatever happens.

>>8043802
>no sacrifice
Hardly.

>>8043802
>Suggested videos
>10 Insane Trolley Problems
rofl

>>7981680
Oh wow.

>>7981612
GAS GAS GAS

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>>8016195
Cause there's only 20 slots.

>>7981638
Albert knows the letter, Bernard knows the number.
Line one means that any number track with a single pad can't be the correct answer. If the correct number track is 5 or 6, then Bernard would already know the answer, since both of those tracks only have a single pad. Therefore, since Albert knows that Bernard doesn't know, this means that track 5 or 6 are incorrect. It also means that tracks A and B are incorrect, since if either of them was the answer, then Albert wouldn't know that Bernard doesn't know.

Line two means that whatever number is the correct answer, the track for that number must not have a pad only on C or D, not both. Since Bernard now knows the answer, it means that what Albert said gave him enough information to know the answer: it told him that A and B are eliminated, meaning that the number must be 2, 3, or 4. If it was 1, then he still wouldn't know.

Line 3 means that D is eliminated. Albert already knows that C is correct, and because line two tells him that 1 is incorrect, C3 must be the answer.

>>7981629
I don't understand

>>7984052
Good can't exist without bad. Order can't exist without chaos. There has to be both.

>>7981586
Multi track drifting