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>>7859424
what did she mean by this
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>>7859424
>moot
I really forget how ancient is this webm sometimes
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A question for the Bara fans:
What is your Favorite type of underwear on a man?
Boxers? Briefs? Nothing?
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>>7859836
Boxer-briefs are the patricians choice.
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>>7859836
thong especially if it's one of those "organization issued thongs that go with your uniform"
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>>7859888
Jesus that must reek after a few hours on duty
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>>7859885
Why's that?
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>>7860163
makes them hard I bet
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>>7860549
I hope you mean the boys
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>>7860163
>tfw that's not a bad thing
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>>7861919
Musk is good!
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>>7859836
Jockstraps!
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>>7862025
What's it like wearing those...I've never had to.
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>>7862025
That might be a thong in that pic actually, whoops.
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>>7862038
Honestly, in my experience, not much different from normal underwear. But it looks sexier!
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>>7862092
But with no ass?? So it's rubbing right in your jeans or shorts or whatever?
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>>7862296
Yeah. You'd think you'd feel a draft, but I guess I wear tight-fitting jeans. Although now that the weather is getting warmer, I am a bit worried about the prospect of ass sweat.
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>>7862407
I prefer loose stuff myself
Anything to hide the pudgy belly I got!

Heh ass sweat, as long as you're wearing like denim or something I don't think it'd be too noticeable!
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You guys really are obsessed with sniffing buttholes. It's not just a meme.
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>>7862476
I'd rather sniff balls personally.
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>>7862550
Sweaty balls.
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Tigers are beautiful but I can't decide if I like wolves more.
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>no fucking ripped fuzzy tiger bf to smush your face into his chest fur
;o;
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>>7862914
No need to play favorites. Just choose both
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>>7862949
>no handsome tiger bf to tease and embarrass
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frost my butthole Tony
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>>7862407
Did you leave? I was actually legitimately curious about this whole jockstrap thing.

I've only ever worn boxer briefs/one or the other. Going without underwear feels sexual but also is rather chilly, at least in my experience.
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anything i should or should not post?

Gay and muscle right? I have some selection
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>>7863507
Depends. As long it's gay and muscle, what else do you have? Some unknown fetishes?
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>>7863686
Eh, nothing too prevalent in my porn.
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One thing i dislike about this one, the thumbnail looks good, but in full res it's just way too much. But i enjoy the lines and overall composition of the piece.
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Anyone know of a good way to save flash videos?
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>>7863834
other than turning them into webms, no.
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>>7863752
Then go on and dump anything you have.
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>>7863926
cool.

Trying not to repost anything i saw yesterday.
Suddenly realized i had a lot more lizards than i remembered.
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>>7864057
Reposts and most of fetishes are not disallowed, but I recommend to not go overboard with it.

If you take care and follow the limit, I believe you will have no problem here.
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>>7863449
im more of a bikini brief person myself. I've worn jockstraps before (lots of freedom of movements) but idk about jocks as everyday wear.

go try it out, couldnt hurt :)
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>>7864798
bikini briefs??
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>>7862956
What ist that neck?
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I need this
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/22711789/
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>>7859316
Why is Rengar such a slut? Are all lions just sluts?
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>>7862476
Nothing wrong with that
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>>7865442
lions are mega sluts

even those like Galen who likes to act alpha have an inner desire to be the receiving end of bondage
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>>7868370
>still no official kass art
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There was an attempt.
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>>7869438
Ooo, this turned out nice.
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>>7869438
Are you taking requests?
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oh wow

https://twitter.com/3dtotal/status/832575679036321792
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>>7869538
Thanks!

>>7870265
Sorry, I'm just working at getting better right now, especially hands.
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well this motif is new
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>>7870605
though he doesn't seem to look like a Gorwlithe, then again I subscribe to "base form = child"
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hey guys can i be a bara too
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>>7871619
you're so vanilla /gfur/ would turn into dairy queen
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>>7871639
i laff'd
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>>7871619
With some work sure.
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>>7871619

Wtf is wrong with that body, is this a snek dog?
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hope he gets bara art soon
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>page 10

no
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is the kamui fad over
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in random, unrelated news, Garu from Kyuranger is roughly around 35 years old
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>>7861919
God I love it when artists draw thongs like that, it's like only a few more it'd snap
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>>7870265
Kass with a big humanoid cock (not hyper) laying down on the ground pressing his cock against the surface and it should be dripping heavily. With a body type pic related.
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>>7867172
need sauce for dis one
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>still no official art of Kass
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>>7876124

At this point, this Kass guy seems like a prolific OC, or just a hyperdick meme.
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More tigers and/or paw stuff, please /bara/.
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>>7871639
nah, the queens their would shriek "fat fetish!" because he's a tad flabby
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>tfw no buff lizard pits to sniff and lick
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What are some bara VNs that are in development?
I only know about Blackgate, Nekojishi and Kemo Coliseum.
Are there any others?
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>>7877439
The only other one I know of is Extracurricular Activities but I'm kind of "eh" about it. I do like the characters though
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>>7877470
Ah, I forgot about this one.
Didn't liked the demo.
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>>7877439
Try this.
http://meatlogmountain.blogspot.com.br/?zx=86bdb204b48af456
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I don't ask for porn much, but does anyone have this pic?
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>>7877814
>BBC
>furry

wat
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>>7877840
>pounced
>giant dick

my sides
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>>7877840
>>7877851
anyone got the actual picture?
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>>7877814
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLWjNlahCd0

https://e621.net/post/show/591157/anthro-balls-belt-biceps-big_penis-canine-clothed-
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>>7877879
lol'd
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>>7877518
His chest looks so comfy to sleep on

I love bed boyfriends
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>>7877879
the guy is pretty handsome
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OwO
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im glad the chubby thread is doing well
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>>7878524
the cuntboy spammer is probably perma banned and the chubby lovers have their own thread. it couldn't be any better right now.
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>>7878669
its little harder for me to dump porn since i have to shuffle thru my folder for exclusively buff guys. I really need to organize it
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dumb question, but is this amount of chub acceptable here? it looks strictly muscular here
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>>7878711
>tfw folder is a mix between bara kemo/chub kemo/monster boys/just pictures of things with big dongs
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>>7878669
I dunno, I'd rather have chubby + bara in one thread but there's a bunch of autism and I don't think it's worth it.
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>>7878814
i'd also very much like for chubby guys to come back to regular /bara/stronk guys/
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>>7878860
I missed the drama entirely so I don't feel like I have room to say much.
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>>7878860
I think so too. Maybe in time we can go back to the way things were
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>>7878860
>>7878814
>>7878804

i'd like for this, but that shitposting was too much. At the very most, dad chub + musclegut (w/ defined abs) should be allowed
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I don't care about shitposting. I would continue to post both muscle guys and chubby in this thread,
They are both bara anyway.
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>>7878860
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>>7878939
I'm the guy that started the chubby thread, I wish we could just go back but there's a couple of autists who just can't stand anything remotely chubby and have to voice their shitty "opinion".

Every thread would go the same with those retards around, basically a single chubby pic would turn the entire thread into shit.

I just want a comfy thread where we could all share our love for bigger guys and just be chill together without some autists arguing what's bara and what isn't.

Could we like name the next thread bara + chubby or something along those lines so some retards don't cling to details? Could that work?
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>>7878746
check out the catalog
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>>7879348
>tfw I can tell what that pic's supposed to be but I can't stop seeing the black gloved hands belonging to the one in the back
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>>7879348
we could try that
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>tfw going to buy it somehow
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>>7876124
Leave it alone, folks. Kass doesn't look like he will be in a big role. There's 10% of chance that he will receive artwork and be important, but unfortunately, as much Aunoma has a thing for birds, I doubt it will happen.

We should at least be glad that not only we will meet him several times, but we can also take pictures and selfies with him.
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>>7879475
Maybe something like muscle bara + chubby bara. No complete fat or hyper mucle
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>>7879847
Should you succeed please let us know.
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>>7880092
Even if I will be successful I have no opportunity to scan it.
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>>7880134
I really just want to know how you'd get it. Aren't these only available under very specific circumstances?
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>>7880321
Well, they are going to sell it at kemoket too as I understand it.
I know for certain there are people who go there specifically for purpose to purchase dojins.
I was going to ask one to buy it for me.
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>>7880348
Ah okay. I wish I could do that but don't have anyone to do so and I'm not very willing to try to work out something like that anyway
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>>7880387
It is really bothersome indeed, but I really want this one badly.
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>>7879516
>>7879516
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>>7879348
>Could we like name the next thread bara + chubby or something along those lines so some retards don't cling to details? Could that work?

>recently threads have been fucking ruined by a T clinging to LGB
>suggesting clinging a "chubby" onto the end of "bara"

Why though? What's the problem with browsing the multiple threads you like? I've never had an issue with that strategy.
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>>7879348
>chubby

That's not the issue.

The problem is that people would post straight up fat fetish shit, them spam the thread with more fat fetish stuff after anyone complains.

"Chubby" shouldn't include "morbidly obese", but some autist keeps flooding threads with shit that belongs in the fat fetish threads.
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>>7881151
The main issue I'm seeing is what is or isn't considered "bara". While it's not strictly just purely buff men people get far too worked up about it. Comparing it with the T sneaking it's way in with LGB is completely wrong.

I like both this and the chubby thread but there shouldn't have been a split just because a couple loud mouths threw a fit
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>>7881151
>when that delusional tranny got perma banned
feels fucking good
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>>7881209

That's what really pisses me off. I'm totally ok with a bit of chub, but what fatfags consider "little bit of chub" is disgusting obesity and death by diabetes. They spam the nasty fat fetish stuff for shitposting purposes in attempts to piss people off and harvest some (You)s, but if for some reason they want to appear mature about it they post musculeguts and healthy amounts of body fat and play the victim.
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>>7881280
>delusional tranny

No need to be redundant.

>>7881287
They try to redefine "chubby" to mean hamplanet. A bit of pudge is good, being spherical with rolls of fat isn't "chubby"
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>>7881318

Fat fucks always try to appropriate words to try to shift the blame away from their own lack of self control.

>friend has thyroid issue and basically is restricted to eating rabbit food
>fat slobs shovel junkfood down their throats, claiming that they are fat because they have a thyroid issue
>friend with actual thyroid issue is just livid about fatties' excuses

Same as fatties blaming it on their body type, or being "big boned". Your body type determined by your bones/muscle/etc does not include the 100lbs+ of fat rolls hanging off you, fat fucks.
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>>7881439
Remember when that fat hating autist would say that people make shit up to fit their narratives?
Yeah.
From what I've seen most people who are into fatties and are fat themselves don't make excuses and are alright with their body type while being aware of their body.
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Anyone remember when /bara/ wasn't just endless bitching? Just post porn and shut up.
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>>7881478

Fat acceptance is literally a dangerous public health threat, that contributes to the waste and deterioration of public health systems.
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>>7881478
What are you talking about? Fatties are always trying to shit the blame for their obesity.
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>>7881524
now we are bringing up the...
HEAVY artillery
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>>7881644
This is what the "chubby" posters look like.
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>>7881680

That's an old pic. I wonder if that guy died from his morbid obesity like 15 years ago or something.
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>complain about fat fags even though no fat was posted
>post disgusting shit instead of actual porn

thread goes to shit once again, good job retards, this is why /bara/ is garbage now
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If you guys are going bring up body wars, at least take it to /fit/, not here.

t. skinnyfag.
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>>7881743
>>post disgusting shit instead of actual porn

That's is exactly what the fatfags do anytime anyone complains.

>>7881733
Don't worry, I'm sure plenty of taxpayer dollars are keeping his fat ass alive.

Anyone got sexy wolverines or badgers they can post?
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>>7881809
That's exactly what you're doing right now.

Actually kill yourself.
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>>7881829
I'm not flooding the thread with it like the fact fetishists do. Sorry if two out of 250 images aren't what you like.
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>>7881287
would you consider this too chubby?
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>>7881921

There's next to nothing as far as fat goes on that guy.
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m-muh fat
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>>7881985

Yeah that's gross.
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>>7882008
>no image

Opinion invalid
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>>7881985
>>7882041
>Fatfags get butthurt and post more fat fetish shit as a result.

I fucking told you.
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Where's all the romantic bara stuff?
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>someone post some chubby guys
>someone else shits up the thread because they don't like it

There's a difference between being chubby and obese. As long as people aren't posting the latter I don't see the problem.
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>tfw you will never ride a robo pup's cock
>you will never feel his silicone shaft pumping in and out of you, expanding to press against your inner walls, fluid pumping to inflate his knot and hitch inside of you
>you will never be filled by the subsequent blasts of faux-cum, each jolt of liquid so thick it causes the shaft inside you to swell with its passage
>you will never be left with a bloated belly, sitting on the lap of your mechanical lover, his claws slowly stroking your bulbous stomach as you both wind down from the shared climax
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>>7882401
agreed
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>>7882401
The problem is fat fetishes equate "chubby" with "morbidly obese", then flood the thread when anyone complains.
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>>7882418
Remove belly bulge and it's a 10/10
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Only 5/6 days remains until Kass' game launches!

Or Revali's game, if you don't mind it.
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>>7882429
I'd be cool if we had some thread guidelines that could somehow be enforced. I just want the good times where everyone is happy
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>>7882418
Attach a bad dragon dog dick to a reciprocating saw and give yourself an enema. Then you'll feel it.
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>>7882466
Fair enough! Here, enjoy a vintage mecha husbando. He's riiiipppeeed!
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>>7882501
Thanks, buddy. Robo guys can be pretty hot
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>>7882634
im sorry but what is this?
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>>7882679
its a geth from mass effect
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>>7882741
>mass effect

Speaking of Mass Effect, anyone got any muscly turian stuff?
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>>7882741
i know but the legion agrees no extreme fetishes
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>>7882759
i have krogans
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>>7882760
maybe thats what the average geth dick would look like
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>>7882801
The frog face is a complete turn off.
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>>7882759
I got this!
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>>7882760
>i know but the legion agrees no extreme fetishes
He doesn't sound "fetishy" at all. It's just a robot character, it doesn't involve extra charms that makes it hotter, and robots can be bara too, you know.
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>>7882825
muh dick
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>>7882857
i just dont wanna a repeat of cuntboy situation
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>>7882857
I think he's referring to the massive balls
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>>7882890
The spam incident had a different meaning. It was for nothing, except gathering free replies.

Like what I said before, I believe it's alright to post your favorite fetish with bara, as long you don't go overboard and have limits.

>>7882997
Oh, I didn't notice the balls. To be fair, it's not interrupting the focus of the robot, and plus, I would suck them.
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>>7883119
To be fair I'd suck those huge balls too.
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>>7883379
he would cum so much inside you, that you would probably drown from the inside
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>>7883599

Why is it that furry logic says that testicles are literally cum bags? Abdomens are nothing but empty spaces for dicks and cum, and testicles are nothing but cum inside.
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>>7883739
You answered it yourself
Furry logic

I mean, it's fantasy so whatever but I can agree that it's annoying.

>>7862476
I'd rather eat ass than sniff it.
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perfect~
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>>7883739
Art doesn't always walk along with realism. We're not living before european vanguards, where every art must be realistic.

It's okay as long the hand looks like it's a hand, the feet looks like it's a feet, the head looks like it's a head, and so on.
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>>7884383

That's just an excuse for laziness is lack of skill.

The pic you posted there is objectively shit due to either a lack of skill on the part of the artist, or it just being crazy fetish shit.
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>>7883739
The "realistic" alternative to massive testicles is a massive prostate and that would make most furry porn inflation/fat porn
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>we need realism
>in my muscular animal man porn
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>>7882759
>>7882825
Daily reminder turians wouldn't actually be muscly. Nor would they have an ass, or buttocks.

They're not soft: their body is essentially a carapace. Which is not bad - I love them but I hate how nobody can ever get their anatomy right because they insist on shoving in human things like rounded buttocks or squishy pecs or glistening muscles. Given the way their mouth looks, it's unlikely a human and a turian could even kiss, unless the turian stick his tongue out and the human begins to make out with that.
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>>7884470
>That's just an excuse for laziness is lack of skill.
Or that's just people having different styles to represent their art? I'm not saying it's a lie, but NOT every artist is lazy, while acquiring their unique style.

It's not like all artists will love to stick with realism as always. Anatomy is a form of practice to grasp how does our body works, not as a way to analyze EVERY SINGLE point of our body. Art has been evolving to a new level, and it's never going to stop.

And plus, no furry art in the world will ever be considered realistic, by the simple fact anthro. animals doesn't exist in our world (unfortunately), like how >>7884583 pointed out, which means there's no general consensus or fact over how an anthro. animal must look like on drawings.

>The pic you posted there is objectively
>objectively
Please, we're in /trash/, not /v/.

>shit due to either a lack of skill on the part of the artist
I don't see how that pic looks shit, but well, alright, then how about pic related? It looks like it has more effort being put, and it's fully colorized.

>or it just being crazy fetish shit.
Are you seriously going to let down an artist over one art he has made just because the same pic contains content you don't like, while ignoring the artstyle, the anatomy, the details, the shading, the colors, the everything the artist has put with effort?
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>>7884814
>Art has been evolving to a new level, and it's never going to stop.

What is this, some sort of modern art apology or something? And the only ones here that are talking about realism are the ones opposed to it. Seems like we have a series of strawman murders occurring.

Yes there's a lot more effort and skill put into the pic you posted right there. Personally I'm not a fan, but I'm not going to say that the artist was just using "style" as an excuse.

Speaking of style and lack of effort/skill, that is actually one of the biggest reasons why cartoons used to include so many anthro characters. It is easier, and thus faster to animate anthro animals than it is to animate humans. Pretty interesting actually, and actually after I learned about this I even started using the concept a lot more. Whenever playing any vidya game that allows you to customize your character's face, with an anthro subject, you have a lot more freedom in how you make a character look... whereas the more human the character, the better your proportions have to be (unless it is extremely stylized), and even then if you happen to get the proportions too good, you start getting into an uncanny valley.

There's no need for people to take offense to the implication that style is used to make up for a lack of skill and effort, you just have to be honest about it.

On a related note, it should be no surprise that bara would appeal more to people that are more picky about anatomy, since bara is pretty much about glorifying male anatomy. This would be like being surprised that gunfags would cringe when you call a magazine a clip, or a drawing of a firearm is missing key parts of the weapon that make it function. It's completely fair that the main focus of this interest, if stylized too much, will result in a negative reaction.
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>hot women turn me on
>female porn does not
>irl men do not turn me on
>bara art does

the fuck is up
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>>7885875
>being attracted to women

Sorry for your loss.

Women are all terrible people.
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>>7885059
>if an artist/modeler doesn't do photorealism they are not skilled or they don't put effort in their work.
Fucking really?

Idealization in art is thing that requires a lot of skill and dedication maybe even more than on photorealism and it's key in furry work, otherwise it gets dangerously close to being zoo shit.
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>>7885059
It's almost as if fetishes aren't a boolean to be toggled on or off, but instead is a general term used to describe an approximate interest in something. Which implies that certain people will enjoy specific aspects of it, which are either exaggerated or played down.
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>>7886717
>"paraphrasing"
>more realism strawmen

Don't you care about the lives of those innocent strawmen? What if they have their own innocent strawhusbandos?
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>>7887136
>muh formal setting
>in /trash/
This isn't a formal setting. You either debate the points being made about furry shit or you cover your ears and throw meme defenses around.
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Anyone else miss when /bara/ wasn't /bitching/
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>>7885875
I'm the same way senpai.

I partially blame it on poor coping mechanisms growing up and access to the internet.
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>>7888012
Yes
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less arguing more uh... fornicating
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Here's a question for you guys, with the topic of realism and art, would you say that stylization can be as sexy as idealism?
What would be the balance? Photorealism or something stylish?

I myself prefer a little more photorealism than idealistic proportions, because it feels fake and, in my opinion, overdone. I'd much rather see the realism of life and how goofy or slick that looks.
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>>7888748
I prefer the good balance. Realism is great but doesn't allow artists to produce more art
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>>7888748
Pure photorealism reminds me of animals, I don't want to be thinking that when I'm jerking it, cartoons on the other hand can be well made and add something that can't be found in reality.
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>tfw slowly turn into Rouenfag
I need to play his game and start to collect images with him.
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>>7888748
my ideal bara build is impossible to be seen in real life

>>7889753
good, bask in rouen-sama's glory
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We need more love ITT.

Post romantic and lovey dovey stuff if you have it.
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>>7869438
Sketched the body first, improvised a bear head and realized it reminded me of ArtDecade or something. I should probably make his torso a little thicker 'cause of the angle.

Listenin' to anything good lately, /bara/?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziV7zlGIJ3c
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>>7888819
>>7888012
Motherfucking goddamn, we need more bara cervids.
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>>7890582
Burly bucks are pretty great.
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>>7890582
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>>7884667
DELETE THIS
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dem abs
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>>7888012
nah there was shitty porn
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>>7888012
no matter what topic it is porn or not, its always gonna get bitchy on 4chan
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>>7891713

This, fat people are disgusting, and fat fetish porn is a massive turnoff.
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>>7891990
What ever happened to TRN? Hasn't posted anything since the end of December.
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>I complain about fat shit but won't post anything myself

ok
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>>7892144
you have sauce on that? id like it
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>>7892266
Read the filename and/or post.
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>>7892376
i sees, thanks you
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>>7888654
What's the matter, little boy? Don't wanna say any stinky and bad words?
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>>7892889
shut up and let a thick cock enter your bird hole
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Reminder to all my fellow burgers who are just waking up that, according to the BMI scale, the entire NFL is obese.
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Bara bump.
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>>7892889
i want kass to sit on my face
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>>7879113
sauce?
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>>7894720
TairuPanda Patreon
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>>7890582
who's the artist?
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>>7895158
spookeedoo
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>>7894665
Bamp
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>>7893427
Too naughty.

>>7894669
I would rather sit on his lap.
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>>7896150
>"Thank you for buying my game Anon, now here's your reward~."
>Kass opens his arms wide, the limbs encircling you and bringing you upto his chest.
>Your world is replaced by soft feathers as you're nuzzled into his pecs, one of his arms wrapping tighter around your waist to keep you close to him, as another softly strokes the back of your head.
>The give of his feathers balances out the firmness of his muscles, and you feel as though you might fall asleep in this warm embrace. But just as you think that, you feel something push up against your legs, warm and wet.
>"Now, you didn't think it'd just be a hug did you~?"
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Dumping since bara has been running slow lately. Anyway, do you guys like it when guys are rough with you or gentle?

>>7896150
captainteddy's art has barely improved, everything looks so smooth and bubble-like, maybe it's his style idk
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>>7896911
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>>7896925
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>>7896988
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>>7896911
>Anyway, do you guys like it when guys are rough with you or gentle?

Why not both?
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>>7897086
>rough sex ending with cuddling
The dream.
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>>7897117
>gentle sex ending with playful wrestling

the real dream
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So...what's it actually like being with another guy?
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>>7897598
what do you mean?

>>7867172
Also i need sause on this pls
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>>7897598
romantically or sexually?
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>>7897677
In a relationship.

>>7897684
Both.
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>>7897716
Sexually, it really depends on how somebody pushes your buttons. It's best to make sure that the guy whose fucking you (or you're fucking) knows some of what you like. Describing how bottoming feels: if done right, you'll be shaking from pleasure and feel like you're about to cum, constant edging. Topping is...more exhausting, but going at somebody's ass for an hour can really feel great once you orgasm

On the other hand, it can be really boring or painful or unpleasant--a topic I'm all too familiar with.
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>>7897716
Been with my bf for almost 10 years. We play vidya together and make dinner and hangout and play D&D with our friends. I won't say we never fight, but we're pretty good at resolving stuff. In terms of sex - we've been working on getting me to cum handsfree everytime and its working
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Come join the discord, most gays welcome -Flamers please dont https://discord.gg/72wrycM
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>>7898619
Traps and flamers are the worst.
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