HG thread

>>7856835
>Nrvnqsr Chaos
Hnnng

I want to violently rape Muffet

>want to rp
>know I'll just get stuck with some guy copy pasting his introduction to me
Its a hard life I live.

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>>7856856
c :

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>>7856652
>he marvels at the camera for a moment.
An interesting little toy you have there.
>>7856569
Take my advice, thier "aid" will one day harm you.

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>>7856816
Oh dude totally, what bands you listen to?

>>7856866
>want to rp
>will sooner or later have to brush off aussa's annoying advances
Shitposting it is then.

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>>7856866
>want to rp
>will get memed up the arsehole if i use hanako and know that my secret ava's gonna get found out any minute now
It's a hard old life for Bolin.

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>>7856875
Uh thanks, it's a phone.

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>>7856832
E-ehe...safe travels to you.
>She nods awkwardly, before standing and walking away.
>>7856875
All they do is direct me to my goal, what harm is there?

>>7856775
>>7856815
Y-You too

>>7856881
You wanna RP with me anon? I'll go grab some Megus real quick.

>>7856870
>Len
Cute

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>>7856832 (Shoebill)
Yeah, Germ! He's a bird. Met him through another friend. He's pretty alright.

>>7856569 (AVA I FORGOT TO REPLY TO I'M SORRY)
Maybe I just have to think of a conversation starter.
>Mae taps her head again.
Hey, what's your favorite movie?

>>7856866
It's a hard knock life, for us.

>>7856878
Witchdagger! They're my absolute favorite band ever!

>>7856905
Plz ship with me Kamina

>>7856881
Advances as in shipping, or advances as in talk in general?

>>7856905
Sure, that sounds like fun! Let me just get my-
>Megus
Oh snap would you look at the time? Gotta go.

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>>7856912
M-me? Or the...?
>The sound of the wind chimes fade, still sounding disembodied.

>>7856886
There once was a young man named Bolin
Who wished he was Christopher Nolan
He shoved earbuds in his rear
and said "have no fear!"
"The music feels good in my colon!"

>>7856886
You're significantly less cancer when you're trying to be IC.
just fucking do as you like.

>>7856914
Alright lemme get some Erron blacks first

>>7856930
Sir Carrots? Iiyas?
...K-Kiritsugus?

>>7856944
Got some Edmund Spencer shit goin on here.

>>7856951
gib discord

I'm bored and I'm looking for a new ava.
What's a source I could watch/play/read and enjoy and hopefully find a character I like?

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>>7856944
kek
good one
>>7856947
y'all nigs better be ready for the return of hanako and me playing some waifus then

rero

>>7856969
mada

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>>7856912
Never heard of them, sounds legit though. Ever listen to Brain Explosion?

>>7856951
>liyas
W-Wait, so you mean its not LLya? Or iiya?

>>7856971
ora

>>7856964
Dragons Rioting
Mc isn't a beta but he's doesn't fuck tons of bitches

>>7856964
If I knew a good source I'd be all over it man.
Me and you Anon. We're gonna a start a circlejerk. Let's find a source and we'll show HG our nicest rp.

>>7856881
>Aussa
Ignore him or tell him to fuck off when they say anything to you

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>>7856935
Uhh...yeah, sure. You got a favorite one?

>>7856960
>Spenser never wrote limericks, mainly sonnets alongside his epic Faerie Queen IIRC. They were invented a couple centuries after he died.
>t. someone who likes poetry too much.

>>7856964
>Night in the Woods

>>7856975
They're doom metal. Pretty great stuff for feeling all doomy and gloomy. Never heard of Brain Explosion, though.

>>7856997
>Do my source so I have someone to cj with.

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It's 3AM.
How about a game?

>>7856881
You always shitpost, Yosugay.

>>7856976
IT'S II AS IN IDIOT, IDIOT
I AS IN IDIOT TWICE, D, A

>>7856964
Despite all the memeing found here, Fate/Zero is good as a standalone anime with side characters quality to RP as Same with Durarara

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>>7857004
Undead Ban

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>>7857004
Reigen Arataka

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>>7857004
Nrvnqsr Chaos

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>>7857004
Puking Goose

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>>7857004
Kosaku Kawajiri

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>>7857004
A fucking hamburger

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>>7857004
Ignis Scientia

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>>7857004
Mordecai

>>7856997
Oh dude. Prolly be great with a few smokes. Also I know, they're pretty obscure.

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>>7857000
>Mordecai has Bea, so that's already accomplished.

>>7857004
Mae Borowski

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>>7857004
Ichigo Kurosaki

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>>7857004
Eggman-kun

I just wanna find a nice girl, get to know her, take her on a few dates. Mab visit her at her place one day and start making out in a moment of romantic passion, then her pull a knife on me and cut my stomach open and tear my innards out like they're tissue paper in a goodie bag.
Not so much to ask is it, HG?

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>>7857004
Ganondorf

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>>7857004
Ryona

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>>7856964
>Yume Nisshi, he said jokingly.
>>7856997
>She definitely looks caught off-guard, stuttering and stammering for a bit.
E-erhm, w-well, there's, ah...I remember this one really ancient one...I'm so sorry, it's been a while since...!
>>7857004
Fluorette

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>>7857004
GO1

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>>7857004
Madoka

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>>7857004
Kaito

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>>7857004
Maria and Harusame

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>>7857004
The CRIMSON DEMON

>>7856962
> edgelord#7908

>>7857041
Nah.

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>>7857004
A toilet

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>>7857004
Lord Beerus

>>7856997
You're digging too deep into it homeboy.
I just named him because he was a poet and anon posted poetry.

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>>7857004
Hassan

>>7857057
>hugs

>>7856987
Doesn't seem like something I'll like but hey, I'll give it a chance to impress me.

>>7856988
fucking radical
where do we start looking

>>7856997
Adventure games don't appeal to me thaaat much, not unless they have something to hook me in.
What's special about this one?

>>7857012
I didn't like drr that much
What's fate about?

>>7857052
rpg maker stuff gets boring quick. I've played tooooo many.

>>7857024
>thin fastfood patty
>cheese not melted
>two layers of lettuce
>no sign of ketchup or mustard
>no beer to go with it
The toasted bun is the only redeeming factor in this abomination of moocow meat.

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>>7857077
M-Mom? Shouldn't you be at work right now?

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>>7857004
not late shirou emiya

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>>7857102
You're not late.

I need 1 more.

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>>7857004
Yoshimitsu

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>>7857004
Cinder

>>7857079
I dunno, if I knew I'd be on it by now.
Whatever you end up picking I'll tag along.

>>7857079
7 people participate in a battle to the death for a holy grail that can grant wishes
Those 7 people summon a historical figure/folktale to do battle for them each (ex:Alexander the great, king arthur) and they all duke it out to reach the end

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>>7857033
Maybe. Never tried anything beyond beer and a cigarette or two. Both did not go down easy. In fact, they came right back up.

Anyways, what genre?

>>7857052
...So, like, from the 60s?

>>7857074
>I figured inasmuch.

>>7857079
>I've been playing through it. The visuals are really great, the characters and dialogue is stellar, especially if you're presumably in your late teens/early 20s since I personally can relate to it, and the music is top-notch. Kinda light on the gameplay, but I don't really mind.

>>7857119
>>7857079
Only watch Fate Zero. Rest is garbo.

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>>7857109
Minamoto no Yorimitsu

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Consider this my punishment for not hosting earlier.

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>>7857079
>Well I did say jokingly, but do you mean just the games themselves?
>>7857125
...What's a 60s?

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>>7857024
>>7857019
>>7857016
>>7857033
>>7857034
>>7857036
>>7857047
>>7857057
>>7857059
>>7857062
>>7857065
>>7857102
>>7857111
>>7857125
Redditars ruining HG

>>7857129
Unlimited Blade Works is good too because it's styled similarly to Zero
You're right on everything else being a shit

>>7857133
>District 6

How can one district contain so much darkness?

>>7857114
sounds baller desu my dude

>>7857119
>>7857129
genre? is it just a shounen action thing or is there something deeper to it?

>>7857125
That doesn't really answer my question.
There are shitloads of games that can match that description. What does this one bring that no other adventure game has?

>>7857138
All rpg maker games. They all boil down to the same things, bar some.

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>>7857133
Lookin' good dude.

>>7857125
Aw man, the stuff I have goes down smoother than that, just gotta take it easy. Also indie, like, super, super indie.

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>>7857133
I, Reigen Arataka, accept this challenge.

>7857146
Nice meme.

>>7857146
t. King Knight

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>>7857133
Let's go.

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>>7857133
Go ahead.

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>>7857160
>Well in the end you do play Yume Nikki fangames for the atmosphere more than anything, I can't blame you.

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>>7857146
Sorry...

>>7857100
I'm not you mom, dumbass, I just wanted to hug you.

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>>7857178
My chances aren't very high with my arm like this...

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>>7857178
I might need this.

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>>7857133
Enter stage left: Mae Borowski

>>7857138
The 1960s. Y'know, the decade where everyone was either at Woodstock or in Vietnam.

>>7857160
>I can't answer that too much since I'venot played many myself, but frankly, what drew me in initially was the uniqueness of the visuals and relatability of the main characters. I could see my friends and myself in each and every one of them.

>>7857162
Never been big into those indie bands. They all just sound the same after a while. Strum same four chords, maybe have a bit of reverb, talk into the mic like you're having a conversation with it. Release as single.

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>>7857178
Oh dude, I know exactly what to do with this.

>>7857198
It's not for everyone I guess.

>>7857160
Zero is a seinen but UBW is shounen.

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>>7857198
Ni-...nine...teen....
>She scowls in confusion, finally cracking her perma-closed eyes open.
Wha?

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>>7857178
Why do I keep having to lower the autocropper speed?

>>7857148
Art style maybe, but the tone felt different to me. Zero really built up the tone with Kiritsugu's past and his upcoming battle with Kotomine. Had some suspense to it that kept me eager to watch the next ep. UBG started out neat with Rin and stuff but then it started setting up some "another fucking ordinary protag with no special abilities" to "do the impossible using sheer willpower alone" with Shirou. Saw where it was gonna go and got boring fast, not even best girl saber in blue could keep me watching.

But that's just my opinion.

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>>7857178
Behold. For Yoshimitsu has obtained a new arm! And he be ready to duel with it!
>He instead ninja dashes away from the starting point.
Another time!

>>7857231
>best girl saber in blue
You got good taste.

>>7857146
Don't you EVER talk shit on puking goose, faggot.

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>>7857230
Dude...if I smash this Toilet I'll probably have to pay for it.

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>>7857230
F

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>>7857230
Wait... so what? You're gonna put my brain in her head?

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>>7857230
>The ninja wakes up hours later. realizing they had took one of his many masks. Donning another one, he gets into a sitting position.
I shall meditate then destroy them!

>>7857214
Hm. What level of seinen are we talking about here?

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>>7857192
O-Oh. Sorry. Usually my mom is the only person who does that...
You know, you really shouldn't hug strangers! It can be dangerous.

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>>7857248
Night one.

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>>7857230
>He collapses and slowly dies.
Ah.. I want some water...

>>7856951
Matoi

>>7857262
Are you going to hurt me?

>>7857261
Pretty good kind, no excess of random generic slice of life stuff to get in the way of your drama.

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>>7857264
I really hope no one finds out we ganged up on a little girl.

>>7857284
So it's drama centric?

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>>7857212
Neither is a lot of music, really. Can't get everyone into ambient blackened death metal.

>>7857225
You know what years are, right?

>>7857230
It's all the fun of video games with none of the challenge!

>>7857264
Hey, you didn't count to ten.

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>>7857230
I got this bad boy from my dad's closet.

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>>7857264
Day two. A perfectly good burger goes to waste.

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>>7857295
F

>>7857289
The only way you're going to know exactly what it is, is if you watch it.

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>>7857295
I'm just gonna let the chlorine take care of that.

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>>7857230
>>7857253
>Fluorette is not even here physically.
...Huh?
>>7857264
Surely a god knows all such things.
>>7857290
Well, yes, but...we haven't numbered the calendar in...

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>>7857304
Night two.

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>>7857264
Maybe Yoshimitsu can eat just once.
>Opening up the snack from the package, he smashes it onto his mask. Little pieces of the pastry falling to the ground.
In the end a wise choice that be!
>>7857295
Namu namu nam-
>Something large and black falls inches away from the ninja. He doesn't bother to look at it.
u namu namu namu...

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>>7857290
I dunno man, maybe with enough "assistance" I can get into it pretty easily.

>>7857295
Aw MAN I KNEW I SHOULD'VE SMASHED IT

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>>7857280
Never! I don't think I could do something like that, even to a bad person.

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>>7857325
Foul temptress shall knowth what the blade of Yoshimitsu tastes like!

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>>7857325
WHAT THE HELL DUDE THAT ISN'T FUNNY.

>>7857333
Then I don't see any danger on giving you a hug, even if you are a stranger.

>>7857230
Beats me. The damn thing doesn't do anything for my computer besides take up space on my hard drive.

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>>7857325
Day three. Toilet tries to paint his face, but it just looks like shit.

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>>7857361
Wait NO-

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>>7857361
F

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>>7857369
Night three.

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>>7857352
But hugging strangers isn't a good habit to have! What if I was someone scary? Like a kidnapper or a gangster?
>>7857361
That place looks off limits. I better not go exploring any further this way.

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>>7857383
Day four.

>>7857388
But you just said you'd never hurt me, so I can hug you and not worry about that. Unless you're a liar, did you lie to me?

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>>7857383
They're not my style, anyways.
>>7857414
Are you all certain that this is a wise idea?

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>>7857414
F

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>>7857361
Who be this cody? Why is my vision covered in rainbows and kittens? Gah! How could I lose in such a way?

Is there any avafag you're jealous of for any particular reason?

>>7857443
Kamina. He gets all the cute lolis.

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>>7857435
Night four.

>>7857443
Anybody really
They have dedicated shitposters

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>>7857448
Day five.

>>7857443
Anyone that has made a game.

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>>7857442
>Kaito give him a sudden pat on the back.
I hope you don't mind, it's a little lonely being an early loser, how'd the thing with the arm go?

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>>7857419
No, I'm not a liar, I promise! To tell the truth I'm too afraid of those kinds of people to ever be one. A-And the things they do are illegal!
Anyway, if you keep hugging strangers you might accidently meet one of them. You have to be more careful, okay Anonymous?

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>>7857469
F

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>>7857448
Why...?
>>7857469
And again, why?

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>>7857496
Night five.

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>>7857504
I don't need these, either! Spirits, why?

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>>7857478
>The man turns around to look at the other. Something about him to Yoshi is familiar but different.
Why do ye ask? Thine arm has nothing to do with ye.

>>7857494
O-Okay, I promise I'll be careful, and I know just how to do it, from now on, I'll only hug you. That way I won't have to worry about any criminals.

>>7857504
FEAST

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>>7857528

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>>7857535
I am truly sorry, truly, ma'am...

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>>7857504
Look both ways before I cross the street an- Hey. wh-why is he driving on the sidewal- blegh
>dies severely
>>7857528
I guess things are invisible when you die.

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>>7857517
>He sits down and hefts his own injured arm into his lap.
Haha, I should care, I am a 'doctor' after all, even if I'm an evil one.

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>>7857535
Day six.

>>7857443
Lambda
I wish I had his insomnia

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>>7857566
F

>>7857443
Yukine. I wish I was that much of a faggot.

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>>7857582
Night six

>>7857579
>Why?

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>>7857522
My dad says I'm really good at giving hugs. Maybe I'm too good at giving hugs...
Are you sure Anon? Maybe this could be just as dangerous.

>>7857579
I don't.
It's a curse to staying awake that late

>>7857601
I'll gladly take the risk.

>>7857579
This >>7857604

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>>7857594
Will this affect the ending?

>>7857579
It's not even always insomnia, sometimes he just refuses to get tired.

>>7857604
You could work night shift someplace

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>>7857594
I knew that unfinished place was dangerous!
>>7857615
I'll be sure to give you a hug tomorrow then. For now I think I should be going to sleep. It's getting late.

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>>7857562
I knew it! Ye had a similar scent from before!
>He reaches for his word but as he grabs the hilt, he hesitates puling it out.

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>>7857623
Nope.

>>7857638
Congratulations, ... dude.
Thanks for the game.

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>>7857604
>>7857616
>>7857594
I sleep too damn much
like 12 hours on average
>>7857631
>tfw you're too much of a shit to do that

>>7857443
Seth's hype
Garnet's character variety

>>7857631
He doesn't wanna go to bed.
He mom tells him to get off the computer but he refuses. Not even if she makes him tendies.

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>>7857638
>2nd again
oh my god why

>>7857638
Congratulations not late shirou emiya, you are the new winner of the Express Games!

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>>7857655

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>>7857656
And thanks for playing!

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>>7857656
Aw man, congrats dude. Thanks for hosting!

>>7857647
I too, sleep way to fucking much.
Its either 11 long wasteful fucking hours of sleep or I accidentally stay up all night.

>>7857660
Thanks for hosting mate.

>>7857634
I just want to have a normal sleep schedule, but I can't.

[spoiler]It's 6 AM right now, and still I couldn't sleep[/spoiler]

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>>7857660
Thanks for hosting Mokou.
Goodnight.

>>7857649
>Aussa
>Mom

>>7857647
I sleep way too little, probably at most five hours on any given day. I wish I could sleep an hour or two more.

>>7857647
>12 hours
Nigga damn
I barely sleep for 3 hours every 2 days

>>7857654
git gud

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>>7857656
Thank you for this trial.

>>7857675
You could make the most of it and get a night job. At least then you're doing something productive with your life

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>>7857660
Ye hath my thanks host! The boy did well.

>>7857654
:c

>>7857654
I have made it to second less times than I've actually won... holy fuck

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>>7857660
>thanks for hosting

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>>7857637
Similar scent? It's like vanilla ice cream right?
>He notices the quick movement but it seems her couldn't care less because as always he's all smiles.
Hmm? What's that? Going to do the magic trick where a stick turns into a bouquet? But it's a sword in this case I suppose..
>>7857660
Congratulations!
Thank you very much for hosting, it's fun as always even if I died first!

>>7857654
>pets

Test

>>7857443
Anyone that has been able to ship.

Anyone that has been able to experience the golden age.

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>>7857703
Nay. I can't strike down a villain if he be weakened
>He lets go of his sword, looking at his right hand.
It'd be unjust from I, Yoshimitsu.

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Sorry, had to defend my village against Vikings from across the seas.

>>7857321
In...?

>>7857330
Assistance, huh? I think you need to burn down a church, first.

>>7857656
Congrats.

>>7857660
Thanks for the show.

>>7857709
Hi there, me.

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>>7857654
Welcome to my world
>>7857647
>Sometimes I'll give myself too little time to sleep that I'll just stay up the rest of the night. Like tonight.

____
Give me 24 more.

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>>7857733
...Millennia, I think.
>>7857741
Fluorette

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>>7857733
Nah man I meant like, the kind you inhale.

>>7857741
Mordecai

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>>7857741
Reigen Arataka

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>>7857741
Sanae Kochiya

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>>7857741
Rubick

>>7857741
>>7857018

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>>7857741
Ash Crimson

>>7857741
Mae Borowski
>>7857034

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>>7857741
Living an Anime

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>>7857741
Yoshimitsu

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>>7857720
A villain huh? That makes me feel like I'm in one of those Saturday morning live action shows.. But I can guarantee you the resistance you'll get from me with my arm heal will be exactly the same as it would be now.
>He looks down at his bent arm and uses his scarf to cover it up.
Out of sight out of mind. Now about that arm of yours..
>>7857741
Kaito

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>>7857741
Maria and Harusame

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>>7857741
Suz

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>>7857741
Cute spidu

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>>7857741
A burg

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>>7857741

Monkey King

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>>7857741
Kosaku Kawajiri

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>>7857741
GO1

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>>7857741
DEMON STANCE

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>>7857747
Oh good God how do you even know what year it is.

>>7857749
Maybe. If you put on the wrong band, though, you're in the a hell of a ride.

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>>7857741
Bunnie D'Coolette

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>>7857741
A cute loli

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>>7857741
Tensa Zangetsu

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>>7857741
Two cool dudes

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>>7857741
The Jedi Way

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>>7857789
Everyone stopped counting ages ago, don't blame me, ma'am.

>>7857795
Don't mind if I do.

>Kamina.

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>>7857741
angry loli

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>>7857789
Oh dude, I did that like, once, I think I've got it down though. Just don't use anything from the arena....or cold meds.

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.

>>7857776
>I have the uncensored version of this
Feels so fucking good.

>>7857824
>>7857776
Swap.

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>>7857741
uh... Late grimes?

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>>7857812
Yeah, but, like, what if you have to fill out taxes or something and have to write down your birthday?

>>7857826
You tried cold meds?

>>7857829
Let's dance.

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>>7857829
Looks fine to me, you can continue whenever.

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>>7857850
>>7857829
This feller can have a spot if he wants it

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>>7857776
>>7857850
>>7857829
Swap me out for the man that deserves it.

>>7857836
I feel sorry for you.

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>>7857850
>>7857796
>>7857829
Swap...

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>>7857829
Looks good.

>>7857856
Only once. I uh, don't wanna talk about what happened after though.

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>>7857856
>She shrugs.
The government takes what it wants...
>>7857829
Wonderful.

>>7857870
Cheese slice.

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Gotta nut.

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Swaps are done.

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>>7857871
>>7857870
>>7857868
you guys are so fucking dank

>>7857870
Am-
Am I supposed to eat her boobie? Is this how you have the sex?

>>7857850
kys

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>>7857898
>>7857901

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>>7857898
Looks good to me.

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>>7857769
We shall see. Thine arm be much better than the old one. Like the other it spins!
>>7857898
There be something wrong with this.

>>7857898
Hell yeah

>>7857898
oooo, пo кaйфy кaтoчкa, cтapтyй

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>>7857898
Oh... uh... Alright then. Good luck, uh... Grimes.

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>>7857898
Perfect.

For fucks sake. Give me some replies so I can feel validated.

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>>7857919
As you wish.
>>7857898

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>>7857898
>

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OK, enough fooling around.

>>7857926
>not going through with the all grimes game
shit host

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>>7857881
Trust me, I know the government well enough. I'm talking about not even knowing your birthday.

>>7857875
You almost die?

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>>7857926
>and now dead last
;_;

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>>7857926
Damn, I don't have the time to pick everything back up

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>>7857926
Why fight when ye can flee!

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>>7857926
Getting out of here before anyone tries anything funny.

>>7857939
Uhhh...not quite.

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>>7857926
Day one.

>>7857941
Arguably less painful.

>>7857938
Why don't you do it?

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>>7857945
>>7857926
What a shame.

>Rubick shrugs, and begins shifting through the goods that have fallen on the ground.

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>>7857939
I suspect your government and mine aren't the same.
Hmh. I know when I was born. But not the year. I'm an adult, by our standards, though.
>She seems to be making some odd movements between 'serene' and 'awkward nervous wreck'.
>>7857926
They insist I decline. Sincerest apologies!

If Grimes says something nice to me, i'll host a 24 man Grimes only game.

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>>7857910
Oh, it's mechanical? Who did you say the person you got it from is? I don't believe there are many that can fashion good mechanical limbs like that.
>He gives a slight chuckle before he even says his joke.
You could say I'm very used to being around parts like that.
>>7857926
Well, I'm not last so it's a better start than last time!
>>7857964
>He shoots it and instead of being upset he just starts laughing.
Ah.. Hahaha.. At least I have some water this time.

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>>7857976
You're a pipopussy, anon.

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>>7857964
I see no sunflowers or samurai. Nay! Only fire and death! We return at once!

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>>7857964
Dude this is super awkward...

>>7857976
You're a swell fella

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>>7857957
Did you FEEL like you were gonna die?

>>7857964
Look, ma, I'm a cat burglar. Bolt your windows and lock your doors.

>>7857970
Soooo, what, like, 1992?

>>7857980
>>7857992
Expect Grimes only games later today.

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>>7857964
Thank you so much, I'm sorry for being such a klutz

>>7857965
How rude of you, don't you have any shame?

>tfw someone hijacked your discord account

F-fuck

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>>7857964
AREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEENA EVENT

>>7858003
Get fucked Goyim
>Jude

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>>7858004
Huh, who's that supposed to be?
I don't think he saw me.

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>>7857998
...I told you. My world stopped using the years on calendars thousands of years ago.
>She awkwardly tugs on her coat's collar.
>>7858004
>One cannot compel something which isn't there at all.

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>>7858004
Phew...

>>7857998
Afterwords? Yeah...me and my friend kinda tried it together and uh, things got weird.

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>>7858004
Fee fi fo fum

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>>7858004
F

They didn't fly so well.

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>>7858004
I.. I don't have any of one of those..

Reminder that Touhou is a trash-tier bullethell made by a nip that's drunk 24/7

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>>7858004
Nope, nothing to see here, just a wallflower.

>>7858012
Oooookaaaaa-

Wait, thousands of years ago? How old are your calendars, holy moly.

>>7858014
How weird are we talking?

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>>7858021
I suppose you deserve a little peace.

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>>7858004
This had the honor of being one of Yoshimitsu's first trial. Nostalgic this is!
>>7857979
Why ye be laughing? Dost thou wish to do something to the doctor? Why wouldst ye need him?