Artist hate thread Starting with some fresh douchebaggery

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Guy sure is an arrogant fuck, for someone who has under 1000 followers.

>I'm wiping my FurAffinity account

And nothing of value was lost.

>>7843504
I don't see the problem.

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>tfw found an artist with pretty good artstyle
>checks his tumblr
>no politics, no drama, no bullshit, just art
>draws alot of original things too
Hit the jackpot on this one.

>>7844190
Who?

>>7843504
Fuck Ross, he's such a chode. Has been ever since he drew horse stuff. I hope he sees this too, I know he squats in the Loud House threads here.

>>7843504
don't know who that is and i don't care

>>7844156
He's basically saying "olol I forgot that I had money, fuck you all your commissions are canceled" and in general, talking about people who commission him as nothing more than a source of money.

>>7844304
Yeah. And?

It's like saying, "Oh hey, I won the lottery, I'm quitting my job that I don't even like doing."

Are artists supposed to enjoy taking your commissions? Why do you think you have to pay them. Because it's a job.

>>7844304
well, he's right, people who commission artworks are nothing more than a source of money, they are not your firends or you even know them enough to go around writing hakus about how much you love them. problem with this kind of people who completly erase their galleries and tell everybody to fuck off is that when they need money again they would have burned already all their bridges, this kind of happens all the time.

>>7844304
They are nothing more than a source of money though

>>7844232
He's one of the reasons I rarely draw LH stuff. I hate being a part of the same community as him.

>>7844304
>>7844381
Which, honestly, is completely within his rights and okay. My problem is he acted like a complete douche about it. A simple "Money situation changed, won't be doing any more commissions. Sorry." would've done fine.

No he launched into that shitty little spiel about how he "hates his art and hates his commissions and everything was such a hassle for him boohoo (also I'm deleting my gallery lol)"

Fuck him.

>>7844435
You honestly seem to be the one coming off as a dick here.

>>7844435
>I'm butthurt because my commission of my angel winged rainbow dog with a horse dick got shitcanned

;^)

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>>7844190
>echoseed
It's rare to find a furry artist who draws good and not fill his blog with drama, politics and memes. Also no cancerous atomic neon sparkledog OCs.

>>7844538
Meant for >>7844217

>>7844538
You shilled yourself in the last thread, m8, give it a rest and you can't even get anatomy/backgrounds/shading right yet. Hair doesn't work that way either.

>>7844775
kek, really? Shilling yourself in a hate thread? That's a new low.

>>7844538
no one gives a fuck about your sfw furry pics echoseed

draw more porn

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>>7845015
>very skimpy bikini
>complete cleavage showing
>nipple bulges
>"sfw"

How long until Icefire starts getting bombed? Nigga keeps throwing up YCH stuff on a weekly basis and has commissions from 4+ months ago he hasn't even started.

>watch a decent artist on Tumblr
>they reblog 20 normie memes a day

I don't understand why artists are okay using Tumblr to upload their cartoon porn but think they're above using an actual art site where at least fucking submissions get their own category instead of being lost in memes.

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>Why should I bother improving when I can spend more effort pumping out the same stuff to get even more popular?

>>7845314
no nipples=no ding dong bannu

>>7844304
>talking about people who commission him as nothing more than a source of money

I don't really mind that so much. Hell, if I ever won the lottery, I'd ask some artists I'd like their PO box just so I can send them a fat check and a thank you letter.

>>7846017
At least he's honest about it.

>>7843504
Oh wow, Ross deleted his shit again? What a surprise.

>See some decent art
>follow the artist
>after following the artist, check on their account for more art
>memes
>memes
>memes
>responses
>reblogs to other peoples memes
>reblogs to other peoples art and more memes
>memes
>unfollow

>>7846580
He's not. He's not drawing backgrounds because he sucks at perspective. He's using laziness as an excuse.

What causes artists to do this? Why go through the trouble of deleting stuff?

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Ross is monglor/0r0chi tier of malignancy/plain assholery this doesn't surprise me

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>http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/8094671/

I know this faggot used to be popular here but this is why you don't do business with unprofessional douchebag artist.

There are much better out there that deserve the money but people keep enabling the wrong ones for some reason

Here's why Ross is in the wrong

Not because of the delete (even though that's annoying as fuck when artist do this why bother posting shit online to begin with? ) it's not even the asshat attitude. It's the fact that people expected work from him regardless of if they paid him or not

He asked for comms got a full list some people got them but once he figured he had money he said "fuck it"

It's like if you had no roof over you head and wanted one asking for Ross to build it, he then says he doesn't need your money and hates building roofs so now you saved money and can spend it on something else

...but you wanted that roof over you house at a certain point in time, now all of his commissioners have to go find another roofer (artist) and hope they can even get on the list if all the slots aren't filled on top of having the money for it since not all artist charge the same.

While art isn't a necessity it is something they request and that he obliged to only to lie later it's a minor inconvenience but still an inconvenience none the less.

That being said "fool me once" etc. I hope the 3rd time he needs money for something people remember this and tell him to fuck off.

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>>7843504
>open that profile
>hmm his art looks familiar
>OH SHIT I REMEMBER NOW
>he used to go by "Ross" on the mlp threads and always shat on other artists that posted there
>he eventually got chased off

it has come full circle it seems

>>7847952
I don't have a problem with an artist rage quitting, but I didn't know it was Ross Irving at first.

Yeah, that guy's a huge cunt. Wouldn't be surprised if he started this thread, just for attention.

>>7844435
You sound like a sensitive person

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>>7843504
>discover Tanraak
>beautiful art
>we share a lot of the same kinks
>check his twitter because he sometimes uploads art there and forgets to put it on FA
>raging sjw
>keyboard warrior who goes on about how he's "gonna kill these fascists"
>week later
>make a post about how everyone deserves love and respect
liberals disgust me
I'm still gonna masturbate to his art though

>>7846017

He has a legit point there, fandom is fucking blind to most of the effort and backgrounds eat a whole lot of time.
Hell, three times I've been told by commissioners to leave out the background, just so that the picture would be completed faster and they would have paid me the same amount of money.
It's about quantity, not quality for most people.
I think that the fandom itself is responsible for many artists complacency.
It's hard to resist cutting corners when people don't have standards and at some point, it starts to feel like seriously wasted effort.
Especially when you put hours into drawing a full scene and then seeing your commissioner pay 100$ more for a fucking sketch tier YCH, that doesn't even have a background.
It does make you think "What's the point of me doing this, he'd give me the same money for a whole lot less?"
I actually just sold a bunch of quick sketches for nearly the price of a full commission and it was 50x less effort.
So it does take some persistence to keep on that road of constant artistic improvement in this environment.

>>7846983
let me guess...justmegabenewell? a big memer that one

>>7843504
I can't stop laughing at that

>>7850852
Sunibee did the same thing when he had text posts.

Most artists do this actually, these fuckers aren't funny.

>>7846984
>He's not drawing backgrounds because he sucks at perspective
Exactly. Thus putting more effort into the drawing only to get a background right is not worth the hassle, as he said.

>>7844190
it won't last anon
enjoy it while you can

>>7844435
>All the white knighting replies to this post
leftypol pls go

>>7845314
source on pic?

>pay for a service
>the provider of said service takes your money and agrees to provide you the service
>a few days later he decides to keep your money and not provide you said service
The fact that people will actually defend this behavior is mind boggling

>>7851483
it's from this comic by Narse
https://e-hentai.org/g/421530/a6c975caf4/

>>7851507
Thank you

>>7851522
Your welcome anon, rub out a nice fat load for me

>>7850852
>decent art
>justmegabenewell
There's people that actually think this

>>7851494
fuck you, you fascist, an artist should be perfectly able to do whatever they damn well want to

I bet you voted for drumpf too you fucking racist

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>>7851626
He may not be [insert popufur here], but he's not awful. People just pay him to draw stupid shit.

>>7850098
>liberals disgust me
please don't lump people together like that

>>7844435
I think this is correct but I'm glad he's candid. Maybe the people who were dumb enough to offer him money in the first place will remember this if somewhere down the line he needs cash again.

>>7851717
stop this, no one finds it amusing

>>7851494
He didn't take any money. He's canceling commissions that people hadn't paid for yet but just being a dick about it.

>>7852005
Amusing? Excuse me? Go fuck yourself you raging retarded alt-right racist, I was saying that an artist should have completely control over what they do, and if they want to cancel all their commissions in a rude way then they have every right to. Fuck retarded furries.

>>7852052
If he didn't take money then that's fine but if someone pays you for a service your are obligated to provide that service. In fact. If someone paid and didn't get a refund they could very possibly sue since technically when you type down an agreement for commission it constitutes a written contract

>>7851717
>fascist
Violating the agreements that keep the free market working and then punishing that person for it is not 'fascism' that's just desserts for that businessperson (and yes selling art makes them a businessperson) being such a piece of shit.
>>7851995
They bring it on themselves, I am not apologizing. Just look at the above poster. This is what the majority of them act like. I'm so done with this benefit of the doubt thing, it always ends up biting me in the ass when dealing with left leaning people

>>7852059
stop this, no one finds it amusing

>>7852192
the poster above you is an obvious exaggeration done by some idiot who thinks that type of thing is funny, I don't understand it

"they" as you put it are not one person, stop it with this us and them shit

>>7852227
They don't have to be one person but when a majority of them go around attacking people, screaming at anyone who disagrees with them, etc you lose your patients.
>stop with this us vs them
Ever war in human history was fought with an us vs. them mentality. Do you know why?
Because it exists, there is an 'us' and 'them'
And they started it. We're finishing it.

Yay, now the thread is political cancer.

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How's Jasonafex doing these days?

Last I remember, he had started a shitstorm in a comment section on e621.net, ranting about how awesome he was and that people who criticized his works were just haters.

Now I'm wondering if his attitude might've changed since then.

>>7852360
shut the fuck up alt-right fascist
go back to /pol/ you worthless shitlord

>>7852369
iirc he got b& from e6
uh... he's still making shit memes on twitter and his girlfriend started making cuck art

>>7844775
>>7844940
People's been shilling for me? WTF where were they when I actually gave a shit about my furry porn career? Real echoshit here btw.

>Artist hate thread
>Several replies later
>Fuck you fascist
>liberals disgust me

What is happening here?

>>7852192
Cancelling an agreement isn't the same as violating it.

Punishing? My, what an ego.

>>7852399
Lefty/pol/ has been trying to raid us for like a week now

Its annoying, but hardly anything new.

>>7852399
Politics is on a lot of people's minds these days.

>>7852400
If he was paid anon, if he was paid he violated a written contract and could and should be punished. If he hasn't received payment he can do whatever the fuck he wants

>>7852399
It was relevant to my artist hate, I'm sorry

>>7852382
>he got b& from e6
I guess that shouldn't come as a surprise.
>his girlfriend started making cuck art
Heh.

>>7850098
I had a look at his Twatter, and it honestly seems pretty reasonable. Maybe that comment was just one-off idiocy. Maybe some strong feelings after the election.

>>7852439
Alright, just consider this.
Would that behavior fly irl?
fuck no, he'd get punched in the face.
Should he be doing shit like this online then?
fuck no, that's fucking cancer.

>>7843504
>Good news everyone

I read it in Farnsworth's voice

>>7852459
He's calmed down which I'm thankful for but a few weeks ago he was saying the typical bullshit
>lmao Bannon runs the government
>lmao all drumpf supporters are nazis
>we should beat up and kill all these fascist nazis
Maybe he got over himself

>>7852294
what war, cut the retarded histrionics already

>>7852472
People cancel agreements in real life all the time, dipshit.

Especially when it comes to quitting shitty jobs, which is basically what this guy did.

>>7852509
Yeah, and quitting your job by calling your boss a stupid faggot is gonna cause long term consequences.

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OH MY GOD you retards this all depends on if he was paid
>yes he was paid
then he must either refund the money or complete the commission
>he was not paid yet
He can cancel or do whatever he wants, he's off the hook

>lmao Bannon runs the government

Literally what's wrong with this? He's an extremist who has no place on the NSC and the fact that he's on it is shady as fuck.

>>7852519
That's a bit of an unfair comparison. Rather, he just said he never really liked doing this stuff in the first place.

>>7852530
he still did it in a very cuntish and unprofessional way, its not cool

>>7852494
>he hasn't seen the vids of antifa setting fire to shit or beating up people
>or the videos of Trump supporters being pulled from cars or chased down and beaten up
>or the trump supporter who got shot
it's a culture war alright, you little apologist. This is why generalizations are made

>>7852294
>Ever war in human history was fought with an us vs. them mentality. Do you know why?
>Because it exists, there is an 'us' and 'them'
>And they started it. We're finishing it.
You sound like a friend of mine. Or you are quoting a movie scene, I'm not sure.

>>7852487
>lmao Bannon runs the government
Are you implying that's not true? I really hate that man, Trump got elected to create jobs not police bathrooms.

Why do they think this is what people want?

>>7852539
"
Good news, everyone. I forgot entirely about my tax return. And it just so happens that my tax return is just enough to cover the rest of the bill for the car repair. I'm free and I ain't gotta do no more commissions!

That also means that all of your commissions have been canceled! It's not like you paid for em beforehand, and I hate doing commissions, anyway. Not to mention I wasn't even that good at em, so now your money can go to a better place, so everybody wins. Nothin personal! It also means that I'm wiping my FurAffinity account of all the art that's on it, so you got a week to save it all before it's gone. Tick tock.
"

>It's not like you paid for em beforehand
>It also means that I'm wiping my FurAffinity account of all the art that's on it, so you got a week to save it all before it's gone. Tick tock.

Are you really this fucking stupid, or just a shill?

Or maybe you're the artist himself, might explain some of the shilling for this asshole

>>7852566
>police bathrooms.
wat

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>>7852555
You call that a war? What a fucking joke you are, I can tell you've never fought in one or seen what a real street revolt looks like.

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>>7843504
>Follow furry artist on tumblr
>lol both sides are dumb how are politics even real?
>Lefties are so silly fascisms just banter
>Fucking SJWs
>Seriously tho I'm a centrist
>South Park
>give Trump a chance guise
>lol @ furry artists talking about politics

I've commissioned this guy twice.

>>7852566
>are you implying it's not true
yep
>police bathrooms
Stop reading fake headlines please

>>7852601
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/22/us/politics/devos-sessions-transgender-students-rights.html

this is totally what you were elected to do Trump, not bring back jobs or anything

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>>7851736
This

While gabe may not draw ( your kink here ) he is still a functionally good artist who knows the basics and cares about quality.

We don't see this because as usual dumbass autist commissioners will com stuff like a character with beyond proportioned giant ass/tits/dick etc. so much is lost.

I could say this for a lot of watched artist but with gabe it becomes more obvious.

You won't see stuff like this from Kazecat or most other because simply put they don't care about quality, they put zero effort in to maintaining a certain level of quality to their art.

>>7852616
>Stop reading fake headlines please
>le fake news. everything i dont agree with is fake. xDDDDDDD

>>7852606
CULTURE war, autist, learn some reading comprehension.
also
>liberal
>complains about being lumped in with the crazy militants
>goes through hoops to defend their violence
the mask always comes off doesn't it? liberals are disgusting

>>7852616
Of course Steve Bannon must be on the NSC because of his years of experience in national security.

>>7852644
>implying the news isn't propoganda
anon, the entire msm is owned by 6 megacorporations. six. Of course it's lies. Plus if you honestly still believe them after all that nonsense about
>oh Trumps reached his limit
>this is the end of his campaign
>Hillary has a 99% chance of winning
yeah, all they do is lie

>>7852645
show me where I defended violence

>>7852631
Why can't he do both? Also, how is this bad?

>>7852530
I'm going to pay you money for this week
>no i'm not you already got paid bye
I'm going to give you this food to eat
>no i'm not you already ate
I'm going to let you breathe this air
>nope you just inhaled

>>7852680
trannies are mentally ill histrionics, are you surprised they perceive any return to normalcy as an attack?

>>7852555
Like the idiot who punched a liberal a a trump rally?

Like Trump saying stupid shit against minorities that cause problems

seems pretty one sided if you ask me, i'm not saying liberals are pure but if you act like conservatives or alt rights are God you've an idiot.

>>7852674
538 had Trump at like a 30% chance of winning.

>>7852675
You attempted to minimalize the violence of the left by shifting the focus of the conversation to
>oh actually it's not a war, you're pathetic
You should've just said
>yeah, that's shitty but we're not all like that
and moved on

>>7852697
Even if they weren't before, the chemical changes to their bodies would make them mentally ill.

Tbdesu, I'm really surprised how few people actually look up the actual science behind all it, but go right on to defend it because "m-muh feelings"
These people are literally killing themselves

>>7852718
On election night.
Through the entire cycle nate plastic had headline after headline of
>oh Trump reached his limit
>he will never get enough delegates to become the nominee
>the cubs have less chance of winning than Trump does of becoming president
they tried to save face on election night and bumped him up to 30%
it was a sham

>>7852727
Do you have a citation?

>>7852727
people have the best intentions but they're really REALLY misguided and easily manipulated

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>>7852519
>quitting your job by calling your boss a stupid faggot is gonna cause long term consequences.
>long term consequences.
I don't know in what shithole you live that you have to fear "consequences" for calling your boss an asshole when you quit your job, but I pity you.
But I can tell usually they are just stunned while make your show and simply replace your position a few days or weeks later.

>>7852746
Do you have a source or am I only going to get alternative facts?

>>7852674
you've really gone off the deep end haven't you, here's the doj memo
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2017/images/02/23/1atransletterpdf022317.pdf

>>7852680
Because this is a reversal of protection against discrimination and sets a dangerous precedent, people should never have civil rights taken away. Even if I find transexuals often to be difficult people to deal with who are definitely in need of psychological assistance that doesn't mean the answer is to bully them and deny them equal protection of the law.

I often find the complete acceptance people have towards transexuals a bit misguided, since many really do need more help than they get. But revoking equal protections of the law because you think trannies are icky doesn't help anyone.

As for why can't he do both, its an unnecessary distraction from the many real issues facing the country, I'd rather he not waste time on pointless culture wars nonsense.

>>7852726
that's not defending violence, don't put words in my mouth

>>7852487
Maybe. Trump's election was a shock to a lot of people. That sounds weird from the perspective of always having seen him as having a good chance, and it's definitely because people retreated into echo chambers (the fact alone that ALL American elections are essentially 50/50 should have been enough).

I'm from Europe, and I still have friends say shit like this. Which is even stranger here, because we've had Trump-alikes for as long as these people's adult lives.

I figure people -even intelligent, insightful people- default back to a base narrative whenever they can. Something they hold to be true, above everything else. For the religious that's God, but for the idealists, it's the ideology. I mean, you can't question everything, right? So these people defaulted back to their conviction that Trump is a fascist, and therefor will only ever be a marginal candidate. They'll stick to the base conviction over the extrapolation of it, so now they figure there are way more fascists than they first thought.

Of course, their base conviction is wrong. But these are hardfought beliefs, just as the religious person won't give up his God without a fight.

And I get the frustration. Our only postwar political assassination was a leftist shooting a rightist, and still we get leftists claiming the right is dangerous and violent. It's hard to maintain a positive view of people when they pursue such hypocrisy. But then, suddenly, they start using their brains again for something, and they are respectable people again.

>>7852718
Silver made pains to point out that the difference between Trump and Hillary's chances were less than the margins of error for the polls.

>>7852746
His editorializing was stupid but mainly because he was ignoring his own advice and speaking from his gut without giving the numbers a fair shake. Once he got humiliated a few times he went back to his model.

>>7852727
then what's your solution to the problem of gender dysphoria?

>>7852763
you can only say fuck you once, its almost never worth it

>>7852751
I'm not gonna dump them in a thread full of crazy liberals, but yes.

Its pretty fucking obvious though, and easy af to look up. Just think, what is pumping your system full of drugs gonna do to your body?
You think chemo patients get off all nice and easy from what they have to do?

>>7852760
I know the saying goes "the path to damnation is paved with good intentions"
But I find far more often its paved with the need for instant gratification and obsessive self-fulfillment

>>7852360
>OP makes shitty drama thread
>it attracts the exact type of obnoxious autists who circlejerk about this stuff
>those autists are also the type of autists who attempt to shove political garbage into every thread
wow, I'm so surprised

>>7852763
You've never had an actual job, have you.

>>7852797
I'm not gonna dump them in a thread full of crazy liberals, but yes.

Its pretty fucking obvious though, and easy af to look up. Just think, what is pumping your system full of drugs gonna do to your body?
You think chemo patients get off all nice and easy from what they have to do?

Anecdotal evidence is the BEST evidence. Just kill yourself.

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>>7852797
>I have facts I just don't feel like posting them...honest!
is it really so hard to admit you're talking out of your ass by just closing the thread and moving on?

>>7852434
>trying this hard with your "le triggered DRUMPF FASCIST" shitposts in almost every fucking thread
>thinking anyone buys your /leftypol/ boogeyman
yeah, no

>>7852772
>bully them
Telling trannies to uses the mens bathroom if they have a penis is not bullying. forcing states to make bathrooms catered to mentally ill people is bullying.

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>>7852769
>hurr alternative facts
kill yourself

>>7852632
>who knows the basics and cares about quality
He's pretty sloppy about quality anon, you can see it on his linework but I might too become sloppy if I drew the same shit over and over and would still get paid.

>You won't see stuff like this from Kazecat or most other because simply put they don't care about quality,
At least Kazecat doesn't render everything like it's made out of goddamn fucking rubber

>>7852632

>Cares about quality.
Let's just say he cares somewhat about maintaining his level.
He has a fair grasp of anatomy, that's when he bothers to put some effort into it, but manages to make everything look like a leathery weird mess that's made out of dough.
Not to mention his lighting is uniform as fuck, backgrounds incredibly lazy and I think he takes far too many liberties with his loose style, as in often not bothering to finish characters feet or some other part of the picture.
His art could be a lot better and I think he has a lot of potential, but it seems like he's yet another artist who has traded improvement for complacency and a constant stream of work.
He sure as hell isn't getting better.
He's easily above the mid tier regarding skill, but that's really no achievement in the fandom.

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I like Gabe when he draws skin or scalies but the man can't draw fur for shit

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>>7852844
except this goes by the gender on your birth certificate, even if you've had a sex change operation you'd still have to use that bathroom

and what of FTMs, you think this person should be using the womens room?

>>7852674
What do you consider to not be propaganda then?

>>7852791
>then what's your solution to the problem of gender dysphoria?
I don't have one, that's not my particular gripe. My issue is with people pumping themselves full of toxic, as well as potentially hazardous and dangerous chemicals whose most of their effects are not yet fully understood or poorly documented

ffs, ask an actual doctor some time about this.

>>7852812
>>7852832
>moving goalposts intensifies

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hormone_replacement_therapy_%28male-to-female%29#Estrogens

http://www.bmj.com/content/314/7083/796?variant=full
"Conclusions: Current use of hormone replacement therapy was associated with a higher risk of venous thromboembolism, although the risk seemed to be restricted to the first year of use."

Want some more?

I really don't understand the obsession /pol/ has with gender identity politics.

Real annoying that its spread here too, scared away all the dickgirls.

>>7852912
Nothing, actually. Every news organization on both the left and the right is propoganda. My advice is to take two articles on the same subject, one from the left one from the right and try and collect the truthful bits from each and form your own conclusion to the best of your ability.

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>>7852844

Can we all take a step back and remember that until the North Carolina bill you've been using the same bathroom as transgender people and never realized or probably even thought about it? This is a blatant manufactured wedge issue that the GOP just came up with to try and revive the culture war since the Obergefell v. Hodges decision. And your dumb ass is falling for it.

>>7852936
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4442681/

The studies are pretty interesting, and yes, more information is needed, but to insist that there is no risk involved at all is beyond stupid.

>>7852936
>I don't have one
well you can't fight something with nothing

gender dysphoria is for real, obviously there are people who say dumb shit for attention like being "gender fluid", but it is a legitimate mental disorder. More research is required obviously, and I hope in the future we can look back at HRT as if it was the dark ages but right now its the best we've got.

Thanks for actually posting sources for your argument btw, why didn't you just do that in the first place? Yes I agree that those side effects are concerning, but you do know that HRT is hardly alone in medical procedures for having potential negatives, right? Compare it to say gastric bypass surgery which has an extremely high prevalence of complications and has indeed lead to many fatalities (in the 1990s nearly 10% of people who had that procedure died on the operating table, now its around 1%) but look at how many its helped. When people start HRT they are making an informed risk.

>>7852991
https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article-lookup/doi/10.1210/jc.2002-021967

Take careful note of BOTH the positive AND negative effects of the study

>>7852882
This

Also most of his faces look uncanny as fuck

>>7852904
He looks enough like a dude where it could work. This is less than on percent of the population and should not be put over others who dont want trannies in their bathrooms.

>>7852988
>you've been sharing bathrooms with trannies under your nose
this is a lie because transgender people make up the tiny minority of 0.01%
they are insignificant, your chances of coming across one are actually extremely rare. The trannies that can actually pass are even rarer.
Changing laws and using federal money just to push this agenda for an insignificant minority is wasteful and stupid.

>>7852936
>moving goalposts intensifies
I'm not sure you understand what that expression means. I asked for citations, you didn't give them. I tried to goad you into giving them.

Yes I would like some more, because I was under the impression that we were talking about MENTAL health. Thromboembolism is a physical symptom.

>>7853037
personally I think we should just get rid of gendered bathrooms in general

>>7852988
>and never realized or probably even thought about it?
Because there are barely any trans people in existence. Being a tranny is the in thing now though. The only tranny ive actually seen used the appropriate bathroom for their genitals so i dont understand why its such a big deal to do so.

>>7853051
what federal money are you referring to?

how do you feel about the federal money that is now going to be spent defending this executive order in court?

>>7853061
this is retarded, neck yourself

>>7853079
totally worth it because the cost is a lot smaller than the previous plans to build gender neutral bathrooms in all public schools. BUILD
plus liberal tears are always worth it

>>7853080
>i have no argument but I must shitpost

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>>7853061
How about no.

>>7853099
you have no sense

>>7853096
>the previous plans to build gender neutral bathrooms in all public schools
first I'm hearing of this, got a link

>>7853051
It's actually 0.3-0.5% which is still small, but not insignificant.
>The trannies that can actually pass are even rarer.
I'm guessing you ask everyone who you pee with who doesn't look entirely masculine to provide proof of sex?
>Changing laws and using federal money just to push this agenda for an insignificant minority is wasteful and stupid.
Passing laws for problems that don't exist "transsexual bathroom predators" is even more wasteful and stupid. Especially when the purpose isn't enforcing anything or protecting anyone but shining the spotlight on a small vulnerable group of people to turn them into the demons in the GOP's culture war narrative.

You are a useful idiot.

>>7853117
So, basically what happened after Obama said that public schools have to 'accommodate' transgender students
Some rights groups started pushing for the building of bathrooms and led to some capitulation
http://www.latimes.com/local/education/la-me-edu-gender-neutral-school-bathrooms-plus-other-bills-20160930-snap-story.html
Here's one example in California, the significance of Trump is it puts a chilling effect on this push so any push to build new bathrooms is dropped.

>>7853157
>isn't enforcing anything or protecting anyone
Its protecting people from having to deal with trannies.

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>all it took was one person saying "Man I hate it when this artist whines about politics"
>Now the entire thread is whining about politics
You people really, truly are a cancerous blight. I didn't want to admit it, but it's true. You're what happened to /v/

>>7853007
>gender dysphoria is for real, obviously there are people who say dumb shit for attention like being "gender fluid

And therein is the largest problem, just like this gluten-free bullshit, all the attention whores bandwagon onto it and make the people that legitimately need treatment look awful.

>Thanks for actually posting sources for your argument btw, why didn't you just do that in the first place?
Take a look where we are, take a look at this thread, and the quality of most of the posts.
Disagreements with a narrative, evidence supplied or not, tends to attract an awful lot of censor

>you do know that HRT is hardly alone in medical procedures for having potential negatives
>When people start HRT they are making an informed risk.
How many transexual people, particularly those doing this for attention, actually look up and research every facet of this? I'm going out on a bit of a limb here, but I'm going to guess not that many
>inb4 confirmation bias and general cynicism
Most people are generally...not the brightest. Prove me wrong.
Anyways, I just think that not only is there likely far better ways to do this, but that there should, imo, also be much more intensive psychological screening on this as well.

I know I'm making a shitty argument, but the whole cultural shift of pushing all of this stuff with increasingly little testing sits ill with me.

>>7853200
quite the opposite infact since it shines a light on them

>>7853231
And they wont be getting their way.

>>7853212
>the cancer that is debate over identity politics that is wracking our entire society is all the fault of one board on an underwater basket weaving forum
Wow, that board must have some power to accomplish all that.

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>>7853212
For the love of god people just can't keep politics out of things anymore.

It's so fucking annoying. Fuck all you cunts.

>>7853246
We all got our way before. Trans people silently used their preferred bathroom and you didn't have to think about or acknowledge them.

>>7853262
It could be artists afraid of being hated derailing because its so easy. Just mention Trump or Trans people.

>>7853214
Look, I know you expected me to say this and all but it needs to be said. I think you're being overly cynical and insist on seeing the worst in people. Gender dysphoria is a mental illness, and transexual people need help not ostracization and scorn over imagined problems. This whole Trump thing doesn't actually do anything to help anyone and it gives a government blessing to bullying people with real problems. That's not a solution.

>>7853262
Man we've already had so many artist hate threads, who even cares. This one wasn't even interesting.

>>7853293
Look, if they pass then ok, whatever. If they don't FUCK EM. Shouldn't even be allowed to use public restrooms

>>7853293
That time is over. And we need to stop glorifying your mental illness.

>>7852399
Politics should be bannable outside of /pol/ and /b/ 2bh

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>>7853249
There you go. I didn't even say /pol/ and you jumped to their defense. You just can't stop. You're a cancer.

>>7853303
Jesus christ you're right.

Fuck you Ross Irving you self absorbed cunt! I won't let these faggots distract from how much you fucking suck!

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>be Artdecade
>draw cub, snuff and rape
>say drawing violent rape 'calms him down'
>become an sjw
>say that violent videogames cause violence
>get called out on your shit
>lock your tweets so only followers can see them
>purge your gallery of your sins
just sad

>>7853320
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVuHAS2CtUM

And what of people who try to use their proper bathroom but don't 100% fit gender stereotypes?

>>7853319
>need help
Making them pretend like what they aren't does not help them. It just keeps the ill. At this point, they deserved to be bullied. These people are faggots with no real problems trying to be a victim.

>>7853364
people are allowed to change over time you know

>>7853371
>wigger
>didnt even have id
It's hard not to root for the cop here.

>>7853372
>Tell schizo that voices in his head aren't real
>He doesn't believe me
>Call him delusional and stupid
>Tell him that he'll never be normal

This is how we're supposed to deal with mental illness, clearly.

>>7843504
Literally who?

>>7853319
>I think you're being overly cynical and insist on seeing the worst in people.
I also tend to usually be correct in my assessment when applied to irl scenarios too. Not saying its correct mind you, but expecting the worst of people rarely disappoints.

>Gender dysphoria is a mental illness, and transexual people need help not ostracization and scorn over imagined problems
The problem, especially with mental illnesses though, is defining what specifically the issue is, and how exactly to treat it.
And tbdesu, until we fully understand how the human brain works, I don't really see that fully happening

>This whole Trump thing doesn't actually do anything to help anyone and it gives a government blessing to bullying people with real problems. That's not a solution.
Which is kinda funny imo, as for most people it appears, at least, that bullying people over imagined problems is why it started in the first place.
Eh, I guess Poe's law and all, or something like it at least.

>>7853384
Except he still had all that shit in his gallery whilst pontificating that "violent media causes violence"
it was only after someone pointed out his hypocrisy that he cleaned house.
And even then he still draws rough shit from time to time because it 'calms him down'
He's a hypocrite who needs to get off his high horse

>>7853371
>lesbians
aren't people anon. they could have shot her deader than trayvon martin and I wouldn't care

>>7853403
>You need id to use the bathroom.
>If you don't have it the cops can drag you out

Small government!

>>7853340
Are /pol/ and /v/ the same boards now?
Did they merge when I wasn't looking?
No? Then fuck off with your projecting faggot.

>>7853372
you don't help the mentally ill by just telling them to stop being crazy

for gender dysphoria transition is a part of the treatment

>>7853406
But I'm not talking about schizophrenia. And they at least use the correct bathrooms.

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>>7853371
>cops come along
>acts like a complete retard

This shit is so childish it's just embarrassing to watch.

>>7853445
>transition is part of the treatment
>chances of suicide actually remain about the same before and after treatment
convincing a mentally ill guy to go through with getting himself neutered and his cock turned inside out is not helpful. It's sick

>>7853445
Allowing them to continue being a crazy is not a solution either. Luckily a large portion of these people end up killing themselves.

>>7853445
>Destroying their genitals so that when they likely "lose interest" (for lack of a better term) in their dysphoria they have all the more reason to kill themselves

Makes you think.......

>>7853468
in the 1970s the suicide rates for gay men were even higher than for transexuals today. People pointed to it in the same way saying these people are mentally ill and should be driven to the darkest corner of society because they're just going to kill themselves anyway.

People getting psychological help and being accepted into society is what drove down the suicide rates, instead of being pushed into dark corners where they self medicated with drugs, alcohol, and unhealthy sexual practices. What we really need to do in America is improve our mental health system.

>>7853445
You know, I don't actually know off hand, but are there any known physical indicators in the brain of those with gender diaspora other then the usual chemical imbalances?

Like, physical defects, you know, like with schizophrenia or Alzheimers

>>7853462
>A fucking cop comes to drag you way for the heinous crime of being in the "wrong" bathroom.
>corwd of people around you shouting
>lol calm down bitch

Autism.

>>7853500
>all trans people go through surgery
Y'know hormone pills are a thing right? And you can stop taking them at any time.

>>7853500
Why are you so intent on defending the health of other people's genitals?

>>7853518
don't feed me that shit. even after being allowed to transition their suicide rated DON'T ACTUALLY GO DOWN.
They're just as bad and when interviewed you know what they fucking say?
"I thought I wanted it this but I was wrong and now I can't go back"
because they don't actually have a female brain, the issue with the dysphoria is that they're actually 'stuck between genders' so to speak.
So convincing them to go through with mutilating themselves to look pretty is WRONG you sick fuck

>>7853533
Yelling and doing retarded hand gestures at a camera do not help your case. Instead of acting like a clown he/she could have acted like an adult. Don't needlessly escalate the situation.

>>7853533
>acting normal around cops
>autism
Are you a nigger by chance?

>>7853566
Okay, fine, let them destroy themselves. Sorry for caring about the health of others.

>>7853566
>why don't you want people to mutilate and kill themselves
I dunno anon, I guess I'm not some sociopath like you

>>7853526
the pathophysiology is not fully understood, unfortunately this is the case for many mental illnesses as our true understanding of the brain is limited

Daily reminder to always bully mentally ill tranny fags.

>>7853578
interesting, but do you have any sources on this?

And remember that when I say "transitioning" that just means living as the other gender, it doesn't inherently mean any surgical interventions to genitals.

>you sick fuck
please refrain from insults, we're all adults here

>>7853599
>>7853603
>Use slurs and dehumanizing rhetoric
>Claim bullying and harassment is justified.
>Try to pass this off as you caring about people

Not gonna mince words. You really should kill yourselves.

>>7853599
You do realized that they will try to force this upon others eventually, the same way people do with things like religion or hell, even simple things like mac vs pc, or pepsi vs coke.

>>7853624
And therein is the main issue, imo. I'm all for treatment if it helps them, but we gotta have some sort of physical verification of this first

Hell, Alzheimer sufferers have suffered how long and how much while waiting for a cure, and we are just finding shit for it after how many decades and billions poured into research?
Not saying this stuff isn't an issue, but we've kind of got more important things to focus on, like cancer or hiv.

>>7853663
>not seeing the blatant sarcasm in his posts
are you autistic

>>7853434
>projecting
Fuck you, don't try and divert this. There's nothing to projecy, we're standing in the middle of the direct consequences of your faggotry. You did this, you piece of shit subhuman, you ruin fucking everything you touch. You, personally. Kill yourself you cancerous faggot.

>>7853579
>>7853580
Have you never been pulled over by some asshole cop who thinks that he can just give you a hard time because he's had a bad day?

>>7853692
>divert this
>while trying to make this about /pol/ after I mocked you about /v/
wow, I'm really the one doing sooo much diverting there.

What, does /pol/ owe you money or something?

>>7853668
I understand what you're saying but that's not good medicine. We have tools at our disposal which, while not being perfect, have helped many.

The goal is not to change how the person feels about his or her gender. Instead, the goal is to deal with the distress that may come with those feelings, which is why therapy is so important.

Just because we don't fully understand the disease doesn't mean we shouldn't try to help our patients.

>>7853707
I've been pulled over by cops and felt no need to act like a retard. No. If I have complaints about something, I contact the actual people who hired them.

>>7853743
>Just because we don't fully understand the disease doesn't mean we shouldn't try to help our patients.
Telling them to grow the fuck up and live the gender of how they're born would be a good start.

>>7853707
So you're supposed to act like a child as a way of self defense? Are you saying that her behavior is acceptable? Or any retard who throws a big tantrum when the cops are called on them?

>>7853743
>Instead, the goal is to deal with the distress that may come with those feelings, which is why therapy is so important
Wouldn't something along the line of anti-depressants be far more effective though?
And cheaper, I'd think.
and to be more exact, not anti-depressants specifically, but if we're treating the symptoms here because we can not be certain of the exact cause, wouldn't something far less invasive and physically drastic as therapeutic medications, namely ones that wouldn't have a profound effect on body or overall chemical structure, be a far better alternative then cutting them up or prolonged hormone treatments?

>>7853753
And they do this.

There's months or even years of examination and counseling before it's determined if a person should be allowed to have hormones.

>artist gets NSFW Tumblr banned
>never remakes it
>never makes a gallery on another site
>only draws SFW from then on

>>7853819
I 100% guarantee he remade it and you just don't know about it

>>7853786
Are you saying the cop having a tantrum is acceptable?

>>7853819
>Artist gets all his pics DMCA'd by trolls
>Bitches about it and blames all of his followers for it
>threatens to never draw again
>next posts begs for money and commissions

>>7853832
Please gib link to Gaturo's new NSFW I need pig lewds

>>7853834
yes

>>7853811
gender dysphoria and depression are often connected, as for the more drastic interventions well its requested by the patients. Many wish to alter their physical appearance to be more like the gender they identify as. Its a tough issue because really it is a very different beast from other mental illness.

>>7853847
no idea, but have you tried asking him

>>7846962
Correction, he WILL delete his shit again, in about less than a week. Grab it while you can.

ALSO, REMINDER THAT DROPBOX WILL SET ALL PUBLIC SHARED FILES PRIVATE, WHICH JUST MEANS THE OWNER HAS TO MAKE THEM PUBLIC AGAIN, BUT FOR FILES THAT ARE OLD AND FORGOTTEN YOU BETTER GRAB THEM WHILE YOU CAN

I MENTION THIS BECAUSE OF THE DROPBOX FOLDER MADE FOR A SINGLE PLACE WHERE MOST OF HIS ART IS THAT HE CAN'T BAWWLETE, SO GET THAT TOO BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF THE OWNER IS STILL THERE EITHER

>artist takes commissions
>slots fill up lighting fast
>"Don't worry guys, I'll open up slots again when I'm done!"
>"Whew that was exhausting! I'm gonna take a break from commissions for a little bit."
>still waiting
Vim please you are FUCKING killing me.

>>7853864
>Many wish to alter their physical appearance to be more like the gender they identify as
Call me cynical for placing a value on human life, but again, a lot of those resources can be far better put to use elsewhere.

>Its a tough issue because really it is a very different beast from other mental illness.
When it really shouldn't be. Take a look at how much effort and research has gone into things like depression and schizophrenia, and how far we've come along to better understanding the chemical and physical changes/effects/etc that causes those and that they cause, in spite of the social and society stigmas they have attached to them.

I really hope that not too far in the future we can look back on this transgender thing as the depression or stress crisis of our day, and have figured a good deal out about it. Its the 90s all over again.

>>7853931
There's a dropbox of his shit? Link me

>>7853936
Too many artists do this
Even worse
>taking a fucking break in the middle of doing commissions
>you managed to get one, but they didn't get to it yet
>6 months later "Oh hey I'm opening commissions again, taking news ones for whatever reason!"
>they completely forgot about yours and several others or just flat out dropped it and never told you

>>7853931
>check to see if his shit is actually any good
>its all fatshit and poorly drawn fatshit at that

And nothing of value was lost

>>7853988
>whoops! Lost my commission list! Please resend your requests
God dammit

>>7854015
>lost all the details of your commission in the middle of doing it
>could you please resend them anon?
>this is the 5th time in a week its happened
>loses entire commission filed several times too

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>>7854008
>hating on fatshit
I'll give you his art is bad though

>>7853986
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/66d2t40cxml5ukt/LDqggmenCd#/

They even added a tlh folder, they actually might be more active than I thought. Still, I'll be watching this closer in March.

>>7854065
I like thicc as much as the next anon, but obese is disgusting, and disturbingly unhealthy

Also, I find it hard to be aroused by something that's just as likely to eat me or squish me as fuck me

>>7854065
o fug, sauce on that one?

>>7854111
https://www.furaffinity.net/view/20754942/

>>7853080
>>7853112
>>7853101
he's right you know

>>7854093
>unhealthy
>fantasy drawings

You know, if this thread is anything to go by, at least alt-right /pol/ appears to be more smug and asinine then foaming-at-the-mouth-crazy like lefty/pol/

Both need to fucking go through

>>7854149
No. Separating bathrooms by gender is normal.

>>7854164
>he doesn't like a bit of realism in his degenerate furry fetishness

plebian/10

>>7854178
It could also be solved by making bathrooms be one bathroom per person

>>7854164
this desu, it's always hilarious when i see people trying to trash this fetish by saying 'its unhealthy and ur wrong!!!' its the almost exact same argument as when sjws whine about something in videogames or other media

>>7854178
>person disagrees with a norm
>"no, you're wrong because that's the norm"
anon pls

>>7854086
Thanks m8

>>7854093
>but obese is disgusting, and disturbingly unhealthy
That's kinda why I like it. Fat girls struggling to move around or breathe or support themselves is hot. I like the idea of them being dependant. It's fucked up I know.

>>7854186
>he can't get into realistic fat with health issues
now you're truly the pleb :^)

>>7854234
>I like the idea of them being dependant.
That I can understand, like bdsm or submissive fetish

But I mean, like
Particularity the ones with vore involved, and shit like that, you know?
Or the ones that glorify it for the sake of being obscene and unhealthy

>>7854243
I'd rather not have a wiafu keel over during sex
Imagine that happening, and being trapped under an amorphous blob of fat and flesh

>>7854228
When it is a standard that works for 99% of people you are objectively wrong for defying it. No ifs ands or buts about it

>>7854228
Yes. Having neutral bathrooms is retarded.

>artists charges $100+ for a shitty ych of the same exact post he's done a dozen times already
Or better yet, that $1600 ych meme, if anyone has that pic

>>7852955
>da troof iz in da middul

What...even is this thread right now?

>>7854331
100% of the human population used to be hunter gatherers. you are objectively wrong for not following that holy societal norm, no ifs ands or buts about it.
also another thing is that I strongly doubt the entire world has gender segregated bathrooms, so even your estimation of 99% of people is a bit ridiculous.
>>7854332
oh, alright, now I'm convinced

>>7854364
The middle is skewed towards the left atm though

God though, I'm old enough to remember the Bush years and how much places like Fox shilled him to no end at the time.

/pol/ and tumblr ruining a thread yet again.

>>7854336
YCH was a mistake. It's just a shittier version of a commission where the guy paying has less imput. Eventually we're gonna see
>"Mystery box! Pay me money and I'l draw whatever!"

>>7854394
That doesnt mean neutral bathrooms would be a good change.

>>7854412
We;re already seeing that on FA with those "mystery eggs" bullshit some artists do.

>>7854399
Shh, we're getting back on track

>wanted to commission an artist for years
>finally have the money and the freedom to do so
>he fucking dies

>>7854336
Listen If I have some decent art talent too and didn't feel shame for drawing porn I can't lie and say I wouldn't do the same thing if horny people are willing to pay for anything.

>>7854447
true, it was more me pointing out that your line of reasoning was rather dumb
honestly though, it doesn't seem like a bad idea other than the idea of men and women being in a bathroom together apparently messing with people (which is really dumb, just have stalls and it would still be more efficient than two separate bathrooms.)
gender segregation in most things is pretty dumb desu

>>7854491
>which is really dumb, just have stalls and it would still be more efficient than two separate bathrooms
>what are unisex bathrooms
We've had this shit for decades, the only reason people are pissed about this is because the left fabricate a huge mess over it, and now everyone's upset

>>7854491
>gender segregation in most things is pretty dumb desu
Why? Men and women are different.

>>7854412
For some reason people are far more happy when you offer them less options.

>>7854576
Its harder to make decisions with too many options.

>>7854587
So YCH are not that bad?

>>7854336
im starting to like YCHs because a lot of the announcement pics are really neat poses or whatever and I can just save them and show them to another artist and ask for it to be done by them

No artist i care about does YCH anyway

>>7854521
I really don't know how I managed to forget that. my only explanation is that I'm very, very tired.
>>7854533
I honestly think it mostly comes down to culture. sure there are things that males and females differ on in statistically large groups, but I feel like that's a very poor way to judge an individual and that gender roles are so ingrained in Western culture that much of what people consider masculine and feminine is just constructed.

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>>7854178
>its normal

>Tranny-shills derail another thread due to reality and facts being scary and harmful
Colour me unsurprised...

>>7852904
Gender doesn't exist, you dumb tumblr fuck.

>>7852939
>Real annoying that its spread here too, scared away all the dickgirls.
Good. Also girls can't have dicks. Sorry facts trigger you, Xir.

>>7853406
Schizos don't push for Schizophrenia to be normalised or removed from the DSM, faggot. You want an accurate analogy? Giving trannies HRT and reassignment surgery is like making life-like mannequins and having them around a schizo's house so he can just pretend the voices in his head are coming from other people.

>>7853445
No, trannies cried and chucked tantrums until their disorder was pandered to. Hormones and mutilation isn't the treatment; it's what they pushed of so they could get their way.

>>7853518
>People pointed to it in the same way saying these people are mentally ill
People like you are proof the tranny propaganda works. They got shoehorned into LGB so they could get shielded from criticism and now retards like you are all "i-it's totally the same situation a-as gays, g-guys!". What's it like being such an easily manipulated drone?

>>7853566
Why are so intent on pandering to delusions and supporting mutilation of the mentally-ill?

>>7853656
>we're all adults here
Nah, some of the people like to play pretend and think dressing in drag makes you a woman.

I'm sick of this bullshit. I'm sick and tired of the increasingly-large amounts of trans-pandering happening these days? This is a mental illness and it's being pushed as normal, with buzzwords, silencing of free speech, and even fining/court-ordering people to pander to them. Can we hurry up and fund scientists to do more research and figure out how to fix these delusionals' mental disorder once and for all?

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>>7854898
let it go

>>7844190
im this, but just horrible at art and mostly depressed at trying to get better.

>>7854913
>let it go
When they stop pushing trans-pandering on society I will. But for now, it doesn't seem to be the case.

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>>7854953
why does it bother you so much anyway?

>>7854898
>it's an "anon is neurotically obsessed with tumblr, gets triggered, and posts an angry wall of text while having no clue what he's talking about" post
truly impressive

>Pay artist for a commission
>months go by with no progress
>Artist ignores all messages from commissioners asking about progress
>Only makes a journal addressing his lack of communication when someone makes an artist beware about him.

>>7854980
Would you like being forced to call anorexic people fat under threat of fines and social suicide?

It bothers me because it is wrong. We should not be forced to bow down to the whims of delusionals who make up less than 1% of society. We live in a world where facts are silenced because feels before reals. We live in a world where a father can be court-ordered to give hormone blockers to her daughter because she thinks she's a boy. It's not right, and I'm sick of it.

To be completely honest I don't even feel sorry for transgenders. They actively deny they are mentally ill, push buzzwords and propaganda to have their delusions normalised, and try to silence anyone who does pander to them by trying to get the fucking law on their side. They are completely obnoxious and unsympathetic. It genuinely makes me angry.

>>7855002
>no argument
Truly impressive indeed

>>7855066
>unironically using buzzwords like "feels before reals" and thinking they're an argument
keep being you anon, we need more living memes in this world
>>7855083
I don't feel like making one because you're just going to continue to be retarded, which is what has led you to being this delusional in the first place. feel free to read some actual scientific literature sometime though.

>>7855066
>Would you like being forced to call anorexic people fat under threat of fines and social suicide?
false equivalence, how about you just not associate with people you don't want to associate with and then you don't have to call them anything?

>it bothers me because its wrong
what is wrong and why

>...whims of delusionals
people not identifying with their birth gender is not some made up bullshit

>facts are silenced
please provide evidence to back up your claim

>they use the law to get equal rights, how DARE they
in what way have you, you specifically, been effected in any way by any of this

>>7855105
Not a buzzword. It's literally what trans-apologism hinges on.

You don't feel like making one because you have none. You're just another SJW triggered by people not eating up your narrative. Hope you feel great about driving so many people to an early death just so you can virtue-signal on an anonymous imageboard, you self-absorbed fuck.

>>7855158
holy fuck dude, your really are """triggered""" (to continue using your buzzword) aren't you
good job strawmanning the fuck out of me and assuming I give a shit what people think about me on an anonymous Taiwanese knitting forum though. it's not like I'm just calling out the type of people who come into random threads whining about this shit (like you have) as the massive retards they are, or having fun baiting you faggots into making yourself look like triggered imbeciles. truly I am le ebil ess jay dubbuhlyoo.

>>7852545
seems pretty cool to me, dudes a badass

>>7855155
>false equivalence
No it isn't. You think it's difference because it was shoehorned into LGB. Nice buzzword though.

>how about you just not associate with people you don't want to associate with
Can't really anymore now that they're being pushed so hard, smart guy.

>people not identifying with their birth gender is not some made up bullshit
I never said their delusions aren't real. Doesn't stop them from being delusions.

>please provide evidence to back up your claim
Why do you live under a rock, apologist? Is it because you're afraid you know how backwards your side is?
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/may/18/de-blasio-fine-businesses-wrong-gender-pronouns/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/canadian-university-professor-under-fire-for-disturbing-refusal/

>they use the law to get equal rights, how DARE they
Pandering to delusions aren't equal rights. I hope you get fined for not calling an anorexic fat one day, you pathetic apologist.

What the fuck happened to this thread? Politics shit everywhere.

>>7855247
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpuRcmPnSTM

>>7855312
"no u"
brilliant response, keep the (You)s coming
>>7855307
thank /pol/

>>7855291
http://gothamist.com/2016/05/19/gender_pronouns_false_fine.php

>>7852674
There is a distinction between manipulative propaganda and lies though. "No way Trump can win the election" is not lying about the facts, it's a disingenuous opinion.

The whole comparison of the msm to eastern european teenagers who know that facebook idiots will believe anything is a false equivalence. The msm has problems, watching the news will give you a skewed concept of reality, but there is a real difference.

>>7855323
>spouts wall of garbage
>gets called out for his idiocy
>that was a "n-no you!"
Brilliant response, and by "brilliant" I mean fucking retarded.

>thank /pol/
I'm not sure what's sadder; that you think it wasn't you apologists who derailed this thread or that believe not pandering to the delusions of the mentally-ill is "/pol/".

>>7855333
Waste of trips, faggot.
http://www.snopes.com/transgender-pronouns-fine-nyc/

>>7855333
>However, a person who intentionally and repeatedly refuses to use an individual's preferred pronoun would be subject to fines (that could reach as high as $250,000 for multiple violations) under the the law.
WEW LAD

>>7855412
no different from other hate speech law, if you don't want to associate with them then don't

>>7850098
This post. This is all it took. Remember this. You people are disgusting and this thread was never about you.

>>7855401
that was pretty much the textbook definition of a "no you," and as long as you're triggered enough to keep giving me replies I'll take as many as you can give me :^)
also these were the first political posts in the thread
>>7851717
>>7851458
>>7850098
to absolutely no surprise, all /pol/ (or at least trendy anti-left shitposting) garbage

>>7855423
>lol you can't get fined for not pandering to them
>posts article that proves me right.
I know you already are struggling to come up with an argument after being worn out from leaping all these mental hurdles, but you could at least admit when you're wrong.

>not pandering to delusionals is "hate speech"
I look forward to when your new anorexic co-worker comes in and asks you about their weight. Enjoy your fines, authoritarian parasite.

>>7855477
cut it with the insults this isn't /pol/, if you have an argument to make then make it leave your pointless snide comments to yourself

>the anorexia analogy again
this is just flat out wrong, anorexia nervosa and gender dysphoria are two extremely different conditions with different treatments. For gender dysphoria transitioning to the identified gender is the treatment, not the case for eating disorders. They are not at all the same.

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>>7855552
>cut it with the insults
make me
oh right you can't faggot

>>7855552
>cut it with the insults this isn't /pol/
I know, so why bring up you're boogeyman?

>this is just flat out wrong, anorexia nervosa and gender dysphoria are two extremely different conditions with different treatments.
They have different treatments because trannies pushed and protested to be pandered to instead of accepting they have a mental disorder. Also HRT and reassignment isn't treatment because they are still insane and delusion after being poisoned and mutilated.

They're different because you've been told that by propanada. Exactly what trannies were counting on by getting into LGB.

>>7855616
>Also HRT and reassignment isn't treatment
yes it is, its part of treatment along with therapy

and yes it is a mental disorder, its in the DSMV

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weeeeee nigger nigger nigger nigger : )

>>7854462
you're kidding

>>7855637
>yes it is
Sure explains why all the trannies who get it either regret it, become even more insane, or kill themselves. What a "treatment" there.

>and yes it is a mental disorder, its in the DSMV
And trannies deny it is and are protesting to have it removed.

>>7855644
I'm not, standard for them seems to be $5-15

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>>7855644

>>7855709
Yep, those kinda things

>>7855679
Holy fuck, you are right
>Choose an egg, any egg, and get a cute little adoptable by yours truly! Just give a gender, species, and pick an egg!
>Or, if you want a true surprise, don't tell me any specifics at all! Just comment to claim an egg and I'll send the adoptable your way as soon as possible

I thought it couldn't get worse than YCH. I sincerely hope this mystery egg thing doesn't become as popular as YCH.

>>7855677
its far from perfect but better than nothing, success will improve with more research and the discovery of new treatments, it wasn't that long ago that we were performing lobotomy and electroshock before we discovered more successful methods that had less devastating side effects. I hope in the future we can look back at HRT in the same way, but for now its the best treatment we have.

>>7855773
electroshock made a comeback though
not long before lobotomy does too I think
So much for progress

>>7855765
>hope this mystery egg thing doesn't become as popular as YCH
haha
well, see you in another month, anon
where, on this day, you will have been wrong to have hope

>>7855773
>its far from perfect but better than nothing
>dodgy treatments that makes things worse are "better"

>success will improve with more research and the discovery of new treatments
You mean the stuff trannies are against and want to hold back so they can keep playing dress-up?

>I hope in the future we can look back at HRT in the same way
Or you could get some common sense and look at it that way now. Reassignment surgery is medical malpractice.

>>7855819
some people still having issues after transitioning does not mean it makes things worse

>>7855857
>some
The majority you mean?

>>7855819
It has provided some useful discoveries though
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/11/24/trans-women-could-get-pregnant-within-next-ten-years_n_8627006.html

Ignoring the rather batshit insane tone of the article, the medical procedure is pretty useful for, for example
"women whose personal identity matches the biological body assigned to them at birth - who suffered from uterine damage or didn’t have a uterus at all."

desu, that's the only reason I put up with this bullshit half the time is for the scraps of medical advancedment it gives us. I hope against hope that somehow we'll find a way thanks to this bullshit to make furries real, and have furry waifus or something.

>>7855884
care to provide evidence for your claim

>>7855892
>It has provided some useful discoveries though
>http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/11/24/trans-women-could-get-pregnant-within-next-ten-years_n_8627006.html
So a useful discovery is allowed delusional men to be pandered to even more by becoming freaks who can get pregnant?

>vI hope against hope that somehow we'll find a way thanks to this bullshit to make furries real, and have furry waifus or something.
You don't want real furries. They will never be like the idealised versions we all want them to be.

>>7855898
why do you constantly doubt the ones providing actual evidence yet never come forth with any evidence of your own?
I swear, some of you liberals are as bad as flat-earthers.

>>7855921
A useful discovery got hijacked by crazy people, as happens all the time. the science is still there though.

And I do want real furries, I know they'll never be like the idealized versions we all want them to be, but no one every got anywhere by not doing something. Got to at least try, and if that doesn't work out, try another route.

Also, holy shit we hit the bump limit bitching about a variety of things

People's jimmies are really rustled lately, I wonder what's going on?

>>7855898
Is like when you denied that you could be fined for misgendering and then "proved me wrong" by posting an article that says you can?

http://www.sexchangeregret.com/
http://thefederalist.com/2015/08/19/transgender-regret-is-real-even-if-the-media-tell-you-otherwise/
http://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2016/06/17166/
https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/i-used-to-be-transgender.-heres-my-take-on-kids-who-think-they-are-transgen
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/gender-confused-suicide-rate-ten-times-national-average
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21364939

Why you want evidence anyway? Transnutters and their shills like you haven proven time and time again that they reject anything that doesn't conform to their narrative.

>>7855765
fuck just realized
its gotten worse
>pay me to shitpost on the internet
>ctr and ShareBlue

>>7855940
>And I do want real furries, I know they'll never be like the idealized versions we all want them to be, but no one every got anywhere by not doing something. Got to at least try
You want to be highly-unethical and create freaks that clearly won't be all mentally there so you live out your fantasies? Just fap to fur porn like everyone else.

>>7856013
do any of those say that the majority of people who transition regret it

>>7856038
What's unethical about it? If a person wants to do something to themselves don't they have a right to it?

>>7856038
>You want to be highly-unethical and create freaks that clearly won't be all mentally there so you live out your fantasies?
hey
hey
I'd at least be doing it for science, rigorously testing this shit, recording everything, and having actual, legitimate studies about it

like these guys
www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0092867410009529

>>7856056
>gets evidence
>ignores it because it isn't pro-tranny propaganda
Kill yourself

>>7856091
He's just questioning whether the 'evidence' you posted actually supports your claim, don't be a fucking hothead

>>7856100
>hothead
fuck off /tv/

>>7856086
>What's unethical about playing Frankenstein. Especially when the end game is for your fetishes.
Gee, I can't possibly imagine a reason why...

>>7856090
For what objective reason do furries need to be made in real-life?

>>7856100
>puts evidence in quotation marks
>defending the trans-shill because he doesn't want to face reality
Don't be a fucking apologist.

>>7856108
Me niether. What could be wrong with something if it doesn't infringe on a person's freedom?

>>7856091
your claim is that a majority of people who transition regret it, do any of those sources back up that claim?

I never denied that there are some people who regret it.

>>7856129
>shill
you have to go back

>>7856108
give me one good reason why they shouldn't besides "m-muh morals/ethics" or some other bullshit like that

The scientific advancedments alone needed to make it happen would be more then worth it.

>>7856108
>For what objective reason do furries need to be made in real-life
so that I can fuck them

>>7856137
So the lab freaks you make don't have freedoms?

>>7856143
>do any of those sources back up that claim?
You know if you actually read them instead of getting triggered by harmful facts

>you have to go back
/trash/ is my home board. You on the other hand need to fuck off back to tumblr.

>>7856150
>give me one other good reason because bringing unnatural creations into an existence of suffering doesn't count

>>7856206
ok then, which one says it

>>7856206
>>give me one other good reason because bringing unnatural creations into an existence of suffering doesn't count

I said besides morals or ethics
Besides, they can't feel it if they don't have a nervous system