>wants to draw porn >can't draw for shit

try drawing for money then

>>7840575
then keep drawing dummy

>>7840575
So learn faggot.

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>>7840575
stop whining like a little bitch, OP, and actually practice

Thats not stopping thousands on da/fa

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>want to get into drawing
>don't know where to begin

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>>7841498
>Wants to draw porn
>Lives with family

>>7841498
L O O M I S
O
O
I
S

Isn't there a draw thread in the catalog for novice drawers?

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>>7840575
>can draw
>but never how I want it to look

>>7840575
If you are speaking about yourself you could always start off by tracing, just don't share it because that would make you a plagerist who'd get crucified for it. After a while you'll find yourself picking up on aspects of the style at which point try drawing something original but with references to help out. After a little more time you won't even need the references.

If you want to draw, you'll have to put some work into it.

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>try to be a furfag internet artist for money
>everything I draw looks shit
>gave up art as a career
>art skill jumped by leaps

>>7840575
just draw for fun until you become passable

imitate artists you like and try to figure out how they do things

if you don't draw you won't get better, and if you don't like drawing then you should find a different hobby instead of obsessing over the destination before the journey has even begun

>>7843559
So what's stopping you from doing it now?

>>7843671
It stop being good when I take art as a job.

>>7844275
Why?

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>>7844275
why not sell your good art and make it like its not a job?

>>7843559
>try to be a furfag internet artist for money
>everything I draw looks shit

Don't see the problem here. There are plenty of furry artists who can't draw for shit who still make hundreds of commissions because there is always some dumbass who will pay for self validation.

>>7844275
That doesn't make any fucking sense

>>7844275
Not samefag but I am an artist who used to do commissions and I understand all too well. Say you have a particular art style or standard you adhere to. Now imagine some entitled little shit telling you to compromise your style because they paid you asking you to draw something completely fucking ridiculous which doesn't work and you know it.

You try to draw to draw what they ask you for and you try to make it at least visually consistent and then once you finish and show it to the commissioner they aren't satisfied telling you to change it in a way which makes it even worse. Add constantly heckling for updates and bitching about it 'taking too long' and the job becomes like getting teeth pulled.

Commissions do pay well, I typically made about $100-300 bucks on entire scenes with multiple characters but having to draw garbage because somebody cannot understand the elements of design, getting rushed on it, having the commissioner bitch to friends about how long I was taking and then getting criticized on the picture by others who don't understand you didn't come up with it; gets grating after awhile.

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>>7844275
requesting you to draw the hotdog ghost from ghosts and goblins in your style of drawing

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>>7844533

>Now imagine some entitled little shit telling you to compromise your style because they paid you asking you to draw something completely fucking ridiculous which doesn't work and you know it.

This this and million fucking times this.
Luckily I haven't encountered a person who's like a commissioner from hell, who doesn't like or accept the result(at least as far as I'm aware) or whines about the time it takes to complete it, but I've gotten the following
>You know, I like this and everything, but I enjoy the work you do for others a lot more.
Well no fucking shit. Most commissioners just give me the concept and then fuck off while letting me do my own thing with it. Where as you have asked me to do 8 revisions on the body and colors already, flipflopping around with what you want.
I'm very quickly developing a personality where I just stonewall all of the specific requests of the commissioner, as in
>I want it from this angle with this composition.
>Not happening, this is how we're going to do it instead.
Let artist do what the artist does best.
Artists ability to see composition is on a whole another level when compared to someone who doesn't draw or isn't very good at art.
Good thing that I'm a pretty good diplomat and can get the message through without coming off as rude.

I too can make similar money from this, but you're absolutely right, it can get very tiring working for some people and doesn't seem worth it.
I've noticed that it's often the wealthiest commission whores who like to act like entitled autists.
As an added bonus, they can become clingy as fuck.
I full well understand why artists are sticking to YCHs and Patreon.
It's simply a lot better deal in the long run.

>>7844599
Those are burritos anon.

>>7840575
maybe if you never practice you'll eventually be good

>>7844928
draw them

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Who says you need skill?

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>>7841537
They're five kids running behind me and I managed to draw this

>>7847476
nice thighs. you you draw any furry stuff?

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>>7841498
don't start with loomis or any kind of study it is the worst thing you can do
start scribbling, and if you enjoy the drawing proccess even if whatever you make looks shitty and bad you'll enjoy drawing because that's all it is
if you do enjoy the drawing proccess, then you go from there. probably learning how to sketch, watching your favorite artists stream to see how the magic happens, and trying to build images out of shapes is what you're going to move onto.

also straight lines come from muscle memory and several other things only come from practice so you've gotta practice nigga it's not just advice with no meaning.

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>>7840575
>Learn to draw to draw porn
>Lose urge to draw anything but tasteful nudes

>>7840575

Just draw stuff man

I keep drawing everyday everyone says that like my stuff but I usually hate it within 48 hrs of posting a pic

>>7844533

God I ran into this problem on /co/ cause they wanted the pics of said character to stay in design when your style doesn't fit it at all

I haven't down commissions yet but the hand full of requests I've gotten usually like the pic made except for /co/ I wish I could figure out which anime they are just so I could ignore them more easily

>>7850390
try and get weird fetishes that there's barely any content of, that'll motivate you.

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>>7840575
>wants to draw porn
>thinking i need to practice anatomy and also wanting to buy a tablet first.
>>7843559
this

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>Want to be a voice actor
>Have no money for agents and don't live in California
>Voice isn't even that good

>can't draw for shit
>want to try writing lewds again
>realize I'm ADD and can't get a paragraph down before giving up

>>7844864
Are you me?

I would get fucking stupid descriptions then give them thumbnails and explain very carefully why the camera has to be where it is for certain poses to work.

I used to actively have an FA for that horrid furry money but I hated the people after a bit then stopped. Now it's just word of mouth and whoever sees my tumblr shit.

>>7851088
>Have no money for agents
You don't pay agents(at least acting agents) upfront, those are scams. Agents get paid when you get paid, taking around 5%-10% of whatever you made.

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>went to art lessons for two hours every weekend for 4 years as a kid
>tried putting hours into drawing porn now that I actually want to try
>shit

>write a half-assed greentext
>apparently solid gold

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>Want to draw
>Learn to draw
>Realize that drawing is meaningless if you don't have writing skills or creativity
>End up doing only requests and commissions

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>>7855183
>Have ideas
>Don't have the skill to make them real

i want to draw porn so im learning
i fucking suck but its gonna be awesome when i dont suck as much

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>>7855268

I suck at porn I spent a few hours a week doing sketches for a get on /aco/ for Keksandra

I finally posted a rough sketch I still haven't had the courage to go back and ink and clean it.

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>Haven't been motivated to draw in like 2 months
>have a commission I need to work on

At least I didn't take any money up front.

>>7855508
That is an easy way to stop getting commissions.

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>>7850390
I learned to draw a little, and have horrifying fetishes, but now I'm afraid of tainting my art style forever. There's always someone out there who'll recognize your style no matter how hard you try to hide it.

So now I kinda pretend to be a normie artist by default.

>>7855873

this I love loli art

I don't think I could ever give it justice but if i were to start doing it I'd be afraid of someone finding it

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>>7840575
>want to draw cheesecake
>can't shade for shit

if i had the skill, i'd draw a lot of cute gay porn of animal crossing.

>>7840575
>Learn how to draw porn
>When I look at other porn pics my first thought is always if I could do better or not
>Start looking at every single porn pic critically, judging their anatomy and can't just enjoy them anymore

Help

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>>7858281
>Start looking at every single porn pic critically, judging their anatomy and can't just enjoy them anymore

>TFW CAN'T MASTURBATE BECAUSE SOMETHING FEELS OFF

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>>7847831

While I agree you shouldn't jump into art without knowing if you enjoy drawing, loomis/some form of anatomy book, and studies are incredibly important and skipping such things makes you skip out on recognizing more complex forms etc. Sure there are plenty of people who can wing it, but most great artist, even in the furry fandom, do studies, gesture, and learn anatomy, especially if you're going to be drawing pornographic figures. Anatomy, proportion, forshortening, lighting, etc is all incredibly important. Form is invaluable too, but for pornography (or in art in general) all the rest is equally as important. Learning from artist you like does nothing if you dont understand their process or reason behind their form and stylized anatomy.

Learning, drawing alot everyday, and taking proper breaks is the key to getting places.

>>7858298
Exactly. I don't think I'm great either but seeing obvious mistakes ruins the whole image. The worst part is if I instantly know that I could've done a better job. All I can think of at that point is the artist and their reasoning instead of looking at the character in the image.

I can't fap like this.

>>7855508
same here, but I did take the money in advance, and I'm too afraid of telling to customer I haven't drawn nothing all this time
Any advice to deal with this situation?
Should I make an effort to finish the commission? or just send a refund?
I don't want to appear in one of those "warning" artists list

>learn to draw so you can draw all the porn you want exactly to your own tastes
>can't fap to any of it because it's your own work

why must this hell exist

>have wanted to draw for years
>keep putting it off or practicing a little then giving up
>now working full-time with only the weekends free and then I have to deal with housework and grocery shopping
>tfw completely wasted all the chances I had to get good and now I don't have any

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the journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step!

>start learning how to draw
>get some basics down
>now just bad at everything
>process is still fun but results are very frustrating
>just avoiding starting as a solution
>no longer getting better

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>>7859815
>tfw im able to fap to my own work

>>7859626
I would just explain to him that you've been struggling to find a motivation to draw and that you'll give him back his money if he wants, or he can wait for the inspiration to strike you again. Communicating the situation and letting him decide is probably the best choice.

>>7855873

This is something I'm worried about as well, I havn't posted much, so I don't anyone will recognise me, but I have commissioned tons of strange drawings from other artists, can this screw you later if you want to work professionally? I don't think people will know I commissioned strange fetish porn, but its been worrying me a lot lately.

>pretty much learned to draw to make my own fap material
>got old and my sex drive dwindled
>no longer motivated to draw
>people half my age already draw better
>there are so many artists online today that the threshold for being considered good is higher than ever

>>7855183
Fuck this happened to me. I drew like 2 or 3 pics I had in my mind before I got a tablet then I couldn't think of anything else I wanted to draw.

Every once in a while Ill think of something though, even then ill just draw a pinup

>>7859815
The "can't fap to my own drawings because I made them" excuse is bullshit. You can't fap to your own drawings because they're not good enough.

>>7861652
I think this is true, I was the same til my 6th or 7th drawing

>>7858426
You shouldn't start out the grind by hitting the books because you will burn out almost instantly. You need to draw from yourself and then approach books as you find yourself needing certain skills and knowledge.

>>7855873
This right fucking here. If I ever came forward about my fetishist to my followerbase, and spelled it out that I had no intention of posting it on that blog, a bunch of people who still see my work as "tainted." I can't even post occasion fetish pieces anonymously here or on /d/ because my work has gotten too recognizable.

>>7861804
Cant you just ... Idk, deny it?
What are the chances noone else has a similar style

>>7861205
>I would just explain to him that you've been struggling to find a motivation to draw
I perfectly understand that motivation is a big thing, but this is just insulting

>>7855873
>never make a name/gallery for yourself
>can post whatever you want without fear of judgement

Easy

>>7862470
wtf how am I supposed to flaunt my ego then

>>7862703
Do it anonymously?

>>7844864
>Good thing that I'm a pretty good diplomat and can get the message through without coming off as rude
Can you give me some phrases to steal so I don't have to sound rude

>>7855183
>>7855214
>I can draw
>either I have a good idea but no motivation or
>I have an idea and make it real but later realize it's a shitty idea
Heck, I usually don't even start out with an idea and I just start drawing something which results with me having a few shitty characters that I always go to to draw when I'm bored or have no idea what to draw

>want to draw
>try to draw
>realize I have a decent grasp of fundamentals
>try to commit to drawing regularly
>don't want to study books
>look at some artwork I like
>immediately lose hope
>stop drawing
>want to kill myself

>>7861652
Not that guy but I think the thing really bothering me with the same issue is that it's all in my mind already and what's in front of me is just a fraction of it. It isn't new or surprising to me like finding someone elses drawing. It's just a single frame of a series of my own thoughts.

Maybe you're right in a way. Maybe I could fap to them if they were really amazing. Now they're just fairly decent to me.

>>7861702
Holy shit, this. Making drawing into some sort of graduate tier project is a surefire way to kill any joy out of it. Just draw man. You can always check the instructions when you're in need of something specific.

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>>7847509
What kind of fag do you think I am?

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>>7861259
>can this screw you later if you want to work professionally?

Absolutely. Pic related.

>>7864990
Dobson is a bad example because he's batshit insane

>want to learn to how to draw
>have no motivation
I hate myself for this.

>>7865039
But here's the thing, if Dobson just said:
"Yes I used to draw fetish artwork. But now I have moved past it and I do not draw it anymore" then no one would actually give a shit about it.

Artfag here. Lemme tell you, if anyone wants to start drawing you just gotta do it. Don't be scared of people telling you that it sucks.

Ive been drawing for almost 8 years and I'm still working at it. And most of those years I didn't put in HALF the effort I put in now.

If you wanna be an artist, just try. Everyone can draw, but only those who put in effort can draw well.

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>>7855873
>Don't plan on drawing anything professionally ever
>Can soil my style with fetish art

>>7844424
There's pressure on you when you have to draw for money. You might have to draw something in a way that you just aren't good at or doesn't fit your style.

Drawing as a hobby means you can just do whatever you want.

>>7864795
Well you're on /trash/ and everyone on /trash/ is either a furry, a weeb or both

>drew porn for years
>want to step to professional
>realize i'm not good enough to be professional
>don't want to go back to porn

senpaiplzkillme.jpg

>>7866810
>not good enough
You'll be good enough if you practice you walnut

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>get passable at drawing
>stop doing it

gotta get a grip

>>7862300
Feel free to substitute any other reason or even just leaving out a reason; all I did was pull some reason out of my ass. The big thing is just talking about it with the customer.

>>7866930
...but practice what? I'd imagine I'd just stagnate without any kind of foundation/path to follow D:

>>7869191
I'm still a beginner myself, I'm certain you'd be better at drawing than I am currently.
But I'd say look at artwork you think is "professional", or is at a level you want to reach. Study what looks better about it compared to your own work, and what particular aspects make the piece better than what you can do. This'll probably require some pretty deep thinking.
Once you figure out what makes their art better than yours, check out tutorials, books and things for the areas you fall short in. For example, anatomy has a lot of resources available, so if you notice they have a better handle on muscle definition, check out guides for that kind of thing.
Odds on it'll be kind of boring to practice, but if you really want to improve, you can push through it and improve your ability to have fun drawing the stuff you want to draw.
The /ic/ board is pretty garbage, as far as I know, but their sticky has a lot of resources, so check it out if you want.

>>7869191

I was having problems myself looking to keep myself motivated

I happen to find the /ctg/ and got motivated to draw something every weekend with them

Because of this I've gone on to just doing random pics for different shows now

>>7869191
This

>>7855873
>tfw want to become a full hardcore fetishist artist
>tfw i want to make the most disgusting things so people recognize as "that artist"
One day you'll be damning my name

Last bump

>>7862470
I put like 2 pictures in a gallery in some corner of the internet, under an account I made to look at porn

Some turbo-sperg still managed to recognize my style while drawfagging. It was uncanny

>>7872994
That's creepy and hilarious. you must have a very eye catching style

>>7872994
I hope I don't have a sperg like that

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>>7869191
>LIFE DRAWING MAGGOT
>LEARN TO SEE WHAT'S REALLY THERE
>LEARN TO DRAW WHAT YOU SEE, NOT THE SYMBOLS YOUR BRAIN MAKES
>DO THIS UNTIL YOU GIT GUD

It's not hard, it's just soul-crushingly tedious.

>>7868094
These pecs kinda look like boobs, does this thing have a pussy?

>>7869474
How do you motivate yourself when you're not even good for drawthreads

>>7874493
Just keep going, you will die someday and you'll regret if you don't do your shit.

>>7874493

Then draw your waifu

Bring her to life

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>Draw porn for someone that takes a couple days to make.
>Immediatly get shown up by someone else in the group 5 minutes later with an image they spent no more than 20 minutes on.
>Mine never gets looked at again mentioned again.

The more I think about it the more pathetic I feel.

>>7875782
I thought I was the only one. Its even worse when no one shows you up and the chat goes dead until someone else posts something and then its lively again.

Here's an advice for everyone:
git gud

>>7861843
Apparently pretty low. Sometime I'll anonymously post super quick sketches of stuff for blue boards, and people immediately recognize me.

>>7875782
Install this
http://neilblr.com/post/58757345346
And then find out if those couple of days were really a couple of days or just 2 hours spread over.

Also to train your speed use a kitchen timer. Set it to 15 min. Having such a small time frame will force you to do only the most important things.

>>7855873
>There's always someone out there who'll recognize your style no matter how hard you try to hide it.

I'm usually that guy who spots someone "new" who looks suspiciously similar to someone who's just left.

The weirdest instance was when someone started drawing in a deliberately primitivist style and pretending like they'd only been drawing for less than a year, like they wanted to play themselves off as an artistic prodigy when they'd really been drawing for their entire adult life.

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>>7869474
>/ctg/

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>have niche fetish with almost no content
>want to git gud to try drawing stuff for it
>for the content to be very hot I'd have to be a very good artist just due to the nature of the fetish
fug

>>7877473
Some people are talented/gifted in art and just improve really fast. The type of person who draws 2 pics a week but you can see clear improvement from drawing to drawing

>>7878167
whats your fetish?

>>7878478
I have a bunch of weird ones, but the one I was specifically thinking of for that is [memespoiler]fart inflation + fat/slob[/spoiler]
you'd think drawing fucking spheres would be easy to do well and yet there's so much garbage out there, and there's very little of that specific combo of fetishes in the first place.

>>7842946
Can we stop with the "loomis is the way to start drawing" meme? The actual way to start is to attempt to draw shit from life, so you'll develop the skill of analyzing what things actually look like. Then after you've developed that skill you can continue to loomis.

>>7841537
this my current situation

>>7874290
>LEARN TO DRAW WHAT YOU SEE, NOT THE SYMBOLS YOUR BRAIN MAKES

It was actually easier for me than i thought. Basically looking at them as lines and such instead of "This eye should be an oval" etc.

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I started drawing in spring 2015, first with pencil/paper, then I foolishly bought a tablet a year later. Somehow I can't motivate myself enough to keep going when I see how much I still suck. I realize that the lack of effort is probably holding me back the most, but it's soul crushing if a friend does a 20 minute version of a picture you worked on for 8 or 10 hours and it still comes out better. So yeah, there are large stretches of nothing between pictures I draw, often weeks or even months. But the dream isn't dead yet.

>>7878295
In this case though I knew who they used to be and was able to confirm it which led to them disappearing again.

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>practice for half a year
>still pretty shit

>>7858298
>>7858537
Close your eyes and fap to the concepts themselves.
>>7870782
I have statistically analyzed fanart of one fandom. I know what has been done and what hasn't with a rather large probability. So, study your hardcore and search the easiest way to push the envelope for something.
...Getting a lead in a recognised and a popular field is a different thing, of course.

>>7881406

I jave the tablet but I just can't seem to find my grove

I've gone back to posting stuff from my phone after I've drawn it on my sketch book

I haven't had the courage to go back and try

>>7881974
Trace some stuff man. That's how I got over a slump like that. Just don't go claiming it as your own work.

>>7882789
I've been trying to work on my shading and contrast for the last few months, stuff like making her cheek fluff bits distinct without falling back on outlines
but yeah
i should go study

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rate my shitty shading please /trash/!

This is like my 13th drawing. I started drawing like 2 months ago then stopped for like a month, I think I'm making good progress for a short amount of time/drawings.

>>7883789
I'm no expert on shading but it looks pretty good here. The one thing that bugs me with your drawing is the head. I think it might be a bit too small when compared to her body.

>>7883996
Thanks man, i was wondering about that myself. I resized it because it looked too big, i usually always have to with my drawings.

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>>7883789

You're making a pretty good progress there, though as usual with new artists, the shading is nonexistent.
I struggled with that for quite some time. Have the courage to go at it with heavier colors.
Also the anatomy is a bit off, but you're on the right track.

And here's some advice you might want to try.
Spend the first year dicking around with what you enjoy, drawing tits etc.. don't be too hard on yourself when it comes to the technical stuff.
After this, when you have gotten the hang of basic programs like Photoshop and your hands are used to drawing, start doing studies.
First year was me getting the hang of the basic stuff, second was probably around 70% of the time spent drawing stuff from real life, doing exercises, watching youtube videos Sycra has some good stuff, gesture drawing, anatomy, and things of that nature.
Pic related for example, just some stuff I had on my table which I drew back then. Did a lot of these.
It's not that fun, it's not always even that interesting, but it's damn helpful and adds a lot of stuff into your visual library and teaches you about how light works.
Forget drawing porn when you do this stuff. If you draw sexy things, try to keep them fairly realism based. After all this is just you cramming technical info into your head.
And when you have spent year at this, you can get back to drawing tits and you'll see a pretty massive change in your fundamental understanding of art that has taken place.

Also draw every single day.
No excuses, even if it's just a stick figure on a random tissue you have on your table.
Just get into the habit of doing something every single day and after couple of months it comes naturally.

>>7883789
Man that's depressing. I've been going at it for 18 months when pic related was made and you already passed me by.

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>>7883789
Some opinions.

It's pretty good for your amount of drawings.

I think the thighs are a little too wide. If it was your decision then never mind, but if it wasn't then reminder that sometimes you have to draw stuff even if you don't see it.

That elbow looks kind of wide so I painted it over.

Also I see that your image is extremely clean. This is a double edged sword.

I think that extreme cleanliness is very pretty and aesthetic, however......

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>>7883789
>>7884304
Forgot the pic.

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>>7884311
..... zooming in is a horrible habit in digital art.

You see, when you zoom in you're not only seeing the image closer, but the painting becomes gigantic.

The amount of time required to draw and paint that grow exponentially. Many artists complaint about lack of motivation to paint digitally, when in reality the problem is that the image is so ridiculously huge that the mind and body complain to do so much work.

If you look at most seasoned artists, you'll see that they don't zoom a lot.
I would recommend that you don't worry about making things clean yet. Don't worry if you color outside the lines. Also, if you don't zoom in you'll realize how little time things get.

If you require more precision, use Precision Mode instead of zooming in like:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDrF9HV2dPY

I personally never zoom in when doing personal work. I only ever zoom and clean things up when when I'm doing a commission.

Again, nothing wrong with such a clean and polished look. I really appreciate it myself, but at this stage spend more on the fundamentals rather than being pristine.

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>>7884244
Thank you I really appreciate the advice especially about keeping drawing I tend to stop drawing for like 2 weeks at a time. Probably my biggest problem is just thinking of something to draw.

Anyway here's a deer I did like 3 weeks ago. I've been told it looks like a kangaroo and I agree, I think it's the ears probably.

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>>7884311
Yeah, I like thick thigh bitches.

>>7884409
So like make the resolution smaller? People have told me to draw big and then resize it which I forgot to do with that Komamura picture.

I think maybe I should just do some sketches for a while and not bother with the line art and coloring just yet. Because right now if I do a sketch I'll finish the drawing, but maybe that's just slowing my progress with anatomy and whatnot

Another drawing I did, I obviously have a type lol

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Eh fuck it, I got MS Paint and a tablet that a friend passed on to me because they got a new one and giving it to me was better than throwing it away.

I'll give drawing porn a shot. Anyone want some shit scribbles done by ZERO PRACTICE, ABSOLUTE AMATEUR MEDIOCRITY?

Keep it simple, post a reference and I'll try and make something. GOTTA START SOMEWHERE.

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>>7884500
>So like make the resolution smaller? People have told me to draw big and then resize it which I forgot to do with that Komamura picture.

No, using a large canvas is completely fine. I usually use at least 7000px.

What I mean is to keep your painting always smaller than your monitor. If you start to lose sight of the whole canvas, you're too close.

If you zoom in at most paintings and drawings you'll see a lot of blotchy and sketchy details.

Like in this pic. It looks completely fine when it fills a monitor like a wallpaper, but if you zoom in (in the mouth for example) you see how "random" and scratchy brush strokes are.

This is fine. Don't worry about this. A painting or drawing is good if you can read it from far away.

The original painting was 10,000px wide but I had to resize for 4chan.

>>7884651
Damn you're right that looks amazing. I'll be sure to give it a try, my next drawing I'll try not to zoom in too far and see how it turns out

>>7884546
you should go to the drawthread, that's where I got started for ideas. I'd post my first picture/delivery ever but it's embarrasingly bad

>>7884786
I got bored waiting so I started drawing a lucario because of this guy: >>7884317

Also decided to google 'free painting programs' and found a thing called Krita. This seems easier than I thought it'd be honestly. Just gotta recall a nearly decade ago highschool art classes.

IF I DRAW ENOUGH CIRCLES I'LL GET SOMETHING EVENTUALLY RIGHT? RIGHT?

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>>7884939
If you want to draw circles, trace actual circles, it's good for hand-eye coordination with the tablet

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>>7884982
And squished circles too if you want.
Don't ail over these though, you don't need to be able to trace these perfectly to draw. Just to practice coordination, watching a screen and not your hand when drawing can be difficult to begin with

>>7884546
You should check out the MS Paint thread.

>>7884939
You should look up PaintToolSAI you can get it for free. It's super popular, lots of artists use it. It's what i use for these

>>7883789
>>7884422
>>7884500

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>>7884939
Hope you can make out what I was trying to do.

>>7885733
Anything next? It was kinda fun.

>>7874290
>LIFE DRAWING MAGGOT
So...draw what I see in everyday life?
>LEARN TO SEE WHAT'S REALLY THERE
...What? The basic shapes of everthing?
>LEARN TO DRAW WHAT YOU SEE, NOT THE SYMBOLS YOUR BRAIN MAKES
...Don't draw circles/squares and stuff
>DO THIS UNTIL YOU GIT GUD
ok

>>7881406
I don't know anon. I can tell pic related is clearly zoroark so you're doing something right.

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I think the best thing to do is take a step back and remember your doing this for fun. I always do a tiny drawing warm up (3d shapes and one of those show a person for 1 minute then change) and its been helping so far. Draw what you like, have a blast. Take a break, Never stop.

PS.Do you think cellular automata will ever be a thing? Hehe

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>>7886423

Sexualizing viruses

I'm not sure if I'm ready to go down another rabbit hole

How should I go about learning to shade my linearts?

>>7851088
>Want to be voice actor
>Don't live in America or Japan
>Don't have enough confidence in my voice either

FML

>>7891501
do you even have a decent voice?

I can see people from wacom company is swimming in money from artists who hastily buy their products

>>7891642
I don't have enough confident to record my voice and show it to people. Also I don't even have decent audio recording system like from zoom or tascam

>>7886341

>So...draw what I see in everyday life?
Not necessarily everyday life. You could, for instance, get someone to pose for you, or attend a workshop where they have models posing for artists, like a pro. Or you could go out into the city or country and set up and paint landscapes, like Hitler did.

>...What? The basic shapes of everthing?
Ultimately, what you see is the light that bounces off of shit. From that, you can gather a few things. The shape is important, yes, and since you mostly draw with lines, you can learn to discern the natural most significant contours of any given object so that you might best draw them with line. But if you want to truly git gud, you must also see tone, color, and texture. Light and shadow. Very little of what you actually see is line.

>...Don't draw circles/squares and stuff
You should draw circles, ellipses, and lines in all directions just for muscle memory. But the symbols you should be avoiding are something different. Take pic related. It's an eye, right? It's how an inexperienced artist might draw an eye. But if you look in a mirror, or at a photograph of an eye, it doesn't really look the same, does it? And still, pic related is clearly an eye. The human brain is fantastic at pattern recognition. To this day, Google uses that fact to get us to train their deadly war robots to kill us all. What your eyes see and the meaning your brain derives from it can be quite different. to truly git gud, you must be able to draw what your eye sees, not what your brain understands. Once you get that shit down pat, then you can go back and deliberately draw in a simplified style based on symbols, and the end result will be far better than if you'd done the usual deviantart path of drawing "muh style" for years, and sinking into a rut.


>ok

It should be noted. It's said that "practice doesn't make perfect - it makes permanent". I think this is true. don't just keep doing the same thing, push your limits to expand your skill.

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>>7891748

forgot my eye

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>drawfag thread on /trash/
>is better than the entirety of /ic/

>>7891680
Just use vocaroo if you want to ask shit here.
Afterall nobody gives a shit about you on internet, except if you post your face, never do that.

>>7841498
Look for a guy called Sycra on youtube and check out his play lists if you're serious.

>>7879104
Blame /ic/
They turned Loomis into a fucking meme

>>7883789
>This is like my 13th drawing. I started drawing like 2 months ago then stopped for like a month
Now excuse me while I lay down and hopefully pass away
Soon it will be year and I'm not even coming close to this

>>7892141
Even in a thread about people being miserable about their skills there's a meta thing happened.

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Behold, /trash/, it's my first drawing that isn't a trace of another image. I'm still partly not sure what I'm doing, I think her torso is too long. Eyes are too hard, and so are hands but at least I attempted those. Her breasts don't sit well with me either. I cheated and used shift-click for the sword, my lines aren't straight enough.
I have to thank /trash/ for making me motivated to draw, it seems like a fun hobby

Aw fug I forgot her tail. Whatever I'm going to sleep.

>>7840575
Start a webcomic. No drawing or writing skills required. You can even copy-paste characters and change tiny details to make them a new character.

Keep at it for a while. Eventually you'll get noticed. That's when you star your Patreon. It's very important that you make no effort whatsoever to improve the comic in any way.

Then, once you're raking in about $10k/month or so, you can take professional art lessons so you can learn to draw porn.

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>>7892560

>>7892560
where'd you even get all this?

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>>7886423
I need more porn of this virus

>>7893086

I think he's talking about Quality Control

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tfw just winging it with next to no instructional guide whatsoever

i know the arms on her are too long, i'll fix that the next time i'm actually on my computer

i envy people who can draw

Harf

I wish studying wasn't so painfully boring that i give up on it and just go back to drawing poorly

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So how do I unlock the secrets of making a drawing that looks appealing.
I do enjoy drawing and try to learn but results still border on nauseating to look at.
I get that I could use better anatomy, line control, actual shading and color, etc. but that's a lot of directions and I keep hearing "just keep doing what you're doing", this is confusing and I'm pretty sure I've been stuck badly with no progress for months.

>>7874282
>>7872994
>>7855873
>Be nameless drawfag
>Do some shit for generals in /vg/, various board drawthreads and such
>Stop for like 2 years
>One day see a neat request on /v/
>Fill it
>Someone instantly recognize me

I mean, don't get me wrong I'm not complaining, in fact I felt quite flattered, but it's also incredibly freaky

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>>7896290
You need to work on the body. Those legs look like some man ones, the knees are weird and that isn't how shoulders work. Also is that a bulge that I see?

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>>7896290
This helps me a lot. I suggest you make a pinterest account if you don't have one there's a lot of good resources on there.

>>7895134
take that as an inspiration

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>>7896623
Might as well try and make some fixes based on the input to memorize my mistakes

>that isn't how shoulders work
Ok, tried to fix it

>Also is that a bulge that I see?
That's not a bulge, it's a messed up abdomen and crotch, probably shouldn't be a hard edge there.

Can't do anything about the legs for now…

>>7896665
…except that they're probably a bit too long

I have a pinterest account but I gave up on it in 20 minutes because it seems like a constant disorganized stream you have to sift through

Okay, it sounds like the general consensus for now is that I should practice and study anatomy more

>>7861804
Hmk, is that you?

>>7855873
I'm in a similar situation, though I don't really care about followship, I'm afraid that some potentially cool people will diss me because of my fetish art.

>>7897774
Hands, feet and shoulders are still blocky, and the legs are connecting weirdly to the torso, those are just my shitty opinions. You have potential, so keep improving!

>>7859963
jusb urself

>>7898281
I didn't really bother with hands and feet in this picture because I can't draw them at all without a ref
I'll keep in mind everything else though, now I kinda see that legs are indeed connected weirdly

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I got a few reference pics from infinite chan if any one we to drop some stuff?

>>7899146
>>7896665
please, more like this

>>7899146
...any random body poses/stick figures?

>>7897774
yeah it's a good idea to type in (whatever) and "tutorial" into pinterest search. I usually do get good stuff on my front page but It depends on what you followed when you first joined. Anyway the search function is great just look up tutorial or guide and whatever other keyword. Reference is another good keyword to search

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>>7899813
>>7901172

Last for now be back in a couple of hours

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Forgot the image

boop

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I can't believe I found the first fucking image I made during on /co/ almost a year back

My god is it terrible

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I hope you guys will use these like me

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>>7855873
>starting to draw
>my fetish is niche as fuck and there's almost no good artists for it
>the only other guy who does specifically what i want to do does it poorly yet he still gets tons of commisions from desperately thirsty furries
>really want to draw porn and make ezbucks + inspire other people to draw this fetish but also don't want to fuck up any chance i have at a proffesional career

This is a really hard choice.

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>>7905235

Okay what's your fetish?

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I feel....very intimidated looking at these.

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I forgot I had this proposition pic

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>>7905340

Man don't be intimidated here first pic I did a year ago for some random anon

This kills me every single time I look at it

>>7905307
Thicc body worship, but I don't really see what difference it makes. A fetish is a fetish.

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>>7905440

Was just curious

Sounds like you'd be a fan of Gogo

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Gore reference sheet for some of y'all

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Ok last one for the night

I'm going back to drawing

>>7905927
Thank you refanon. Good luck.

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>>7859815
>finish drawing personal porn pic
>try to fap to it
>start noticing every small mistake
>get flaccid and spend next hour trying to fix the pic

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>>7906738
>fix problems
>pic is now even more appealing than it was before
>finish fapping

>tfw can draw
>Most people say its pretty good
>Draw at own pace, only uploading once its done after working on it for 2-3 weeks
>Scared to death to commission and get bitched at for taking too long

Its a fucking violent cycle.

>>7905440
how thicc?

>>7905235
>draw shit art
>don't add any personal details to art/profile
>never get found out by any potential employer that aren't turbo autists that have your fetish
Seems easy to me

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>>7907881
Thicc enough to where if you press your hand into her thigh, it sinks into it a bit. Her body's gotta be big enough that multiple people, probably smaller, can grope her all over. Even better if she's tied down.

Pic related I think is a good example, but I'd shamelessly go bigger.

>>7908733
How is it niche?

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God trying to learn something new is always annoying

Never really drawn porn before but I've giving it a shot

>>7908976
There's a ton of other details I like added into the pictures that I never see anyone do. It also crosses over with some other fetishes I've got. Basically, nobody draws what I specifically want to see drawn. So I'll do it.

>>7904661
I want to fuck those muscles.

>>7908733
that's too ticc

>>7909285
We need to go thiccer.

>>7909285
>>7909321
no such thing as too thicc :^)

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>>7908053

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>>7908053

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>>7909285
>too
>thicc
pick one

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>>7908053
...I have many questions about this

>>7909285
Hey Australia

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>>7893981

>>7912450
Are you the same guy who drew that cat with a drum or something in a habits thread?

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>>7912703
>cat with a drum
doesn't ring a bell, i've drawn cats holding other objects though
>something in a habits thread
yep

>>7912749
I can't recall which object that was but it was round.

Anyway, that looks like a step up in your work, good job.

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>>7912873
round object waddup

I was wondering, if you've drawn porn or commissioned porn from others, can you still get a job as a writer or an artist? I doubt people will check my internet history if they are looking to hire people, just a thought thats been on my mind lately. Probably paranoid for no reason.

>>7913470
I doubt people will find out.

>>7913470

I think using a handle and keeping it separate from your real name helps

I was just thinking this too

>>7913470
use a different name for the dirty stuff

>>7913470
They won't care if they find out, especially in illustration and animation. You're pretty much expected to have drawn porn if you're a nerd who can draw well. Plus you'd likely use a pseudonym online to protect your identity.

>>7913863

This Simon is like the ultimate when it comes to keeping everything separated

I mean he comes and goes like the wind

>>7892523
At first glance it is quite pretty to look at.
And then the first thing I noticed that was off was the boobs. They shouldn't both be facing the same direction, not only does it look unnatural but it also looks almost as if it was copy-and-pasted.
As for eyes, if they're hard to draw don't go for something realistic, try drawing cartoony eyes. If you can't figure out what style of eyes to use just rip it from a cartoon style you like and eventually change some aspects to make it your own. The only thing I advise not to do is to avoid using the stereotypical anime eyes since everyone sees them everywhere and most people are probably sick of them by now, not to mention that by using them you have a higher risk of sameface.

>>7892523

The torso looks kind of flat. Try to figure out how the ribcage is oriented in that position, it should help drawing the tits.

>>7909097
Lucky you. Some guy on /tg/ wanted to fuck armor once.

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>>7914766
Oh sick some feedback. I figure having the one on our right facing more toward the viewer would look less odd? I've got a couple of references for eyes, I don't like anime-styled ones so I'll probably try something a bit more unique.

>>7914874
My underlying construction didn't define the ribcage well at all, so I think that might be part of it. I'll use different shapes for it next time, with more definition.
Thank you my dudes

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So I guess we've become the /ic/ of /trash/

considering this place is full of so much despair

>>7916507
This place has actually good advice though and motivating people to try and get started.

It's nothing like /ic/.

>>7916507
Despair is a bit much. Feel like I'm making a bit of progress here humorously. /ic/ seems too critical

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>>7916507
>beginners posting their stuff and not being afraid to put themselves out there
>others giving them simple but constructive feedback they can understand easily
>basic references being posted to help out
>chill discussion on drawing in general
I see no /ic/ here

>Spent so long laughing at shit art that if I drew something that wasn't absolutely perfect on my first try I'd probably wither away from shame

>>7918751
>look at shit art
>see the mistakes they make
>avoid making the same mistakes
>laugh at art for being shit because you can do better

>>7893324
You got it dude. Once I come up with more ideas! This looks real cool

>>7913470
thing is, you don't get good at art without being able to do anatomy correctly. And to do anatomy correctly you must practice nude. That's the thing normies don't understand, they go like, what, you have drawn nudity, few, that's perverted, etc., but then they go to museums and look at all those old paintings with naked ladies and little dicks of prepubescent boys flying all over the place.

>>7918909
Nah, >>7918751 is right
Seeing a mistake, and doing it correctly, are related but not at all the same thing. Your brain's wired to tell when a human looks wrong, but it isn't wired to, for example, correctly draw the connection between the anterior deltoid an the clavicle. That shit is hard.

It's like how you can tell when a movie sucks, but actually making a good movie is incredibly difficult.

>>7919743
Understanding how a good movie is made though is what gives you the right to criticize bad movies. Having done better than what you're crticizing gives you even more credibility.

There's a huge difference from pointing out everything that's wrong and being able to do it better yourself than just saying it's shit when you have no idea what you're really talking about and then getting BTFO when your attempt at doing better is actually worse than what you're badmouthing.

>can draw decently
>focus on character design and staying away from lewds
>have an ever increasing need to design thicc girls

help me, i can't tarnish my career

>>7920126
Maybe you could make a new account and/or claim you're fulfilling requests / commissions from fictitious, anonymous people.

>"Here's another request"
>"Wow, you sure get some weird requests, anon!"
>"Haha yeah I sure do, but I'm very cool and chill about it and people can like whatever they want."

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>>7840575
welcome to my life.

>>7920126
I think if you're just doing thicc girls, you're in the clear. But if it comes down to fetish stuff, that's when it might get harder to defend.

>>7918590
>>7916507
>>7917184
>>7917298

Is /ic/ that bad or is this all hyperbole?

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if any of you have trouble finding poses you can use a program called designdoll to create one yourself.

plus you can resize and modify the doll too.

>>7920846

Slow as fuck and I mean slow

>>7920846
/ic/ is just filled with bored shitposters, it's almost as dead as /i/

>>7920846
It's pretty bad, but yeah, it's not really toxic these days, just dead

Toxicity and memes has driven a most of the actual artists away
Now it's just /ic/ memes like typing out "LOOMIS", you'll barely get any advice or critique there
They have decent collection of books and resources though

How did you guys start drawing? I never know where to begin really, all ive ever done is messed with a pencil and notebook when im bored and it always devolves into stick figures

>>7884409
fuck, I have a very serious problem with zooming in. I usually do a detailed sketch and then proceed refining the linework and coloring on x400% zoom most of the time. It sucks and is slow ass hell, but I'm too pedantic to have non-clean lines...

>>7917298
>too critical
its an art critique dumbfuck, not put up embarrassing work and expect not to be told to go back to the basics. nearly everyone ITT needs to go back to the fucing basics, your fundamentals are ass.

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>>7922057
A thread just like this one not too long ago had this anon give a rundown on learning to draw, maybe it'll help you

>>7922111
You just proved their point?

>>7922231
I think he was memening

>>7922057

been drawing since I was a kid

I used to just draw huge space battles as a kid

it was basically shapes with red and green lines all across the picture

>>7920846
/ic/ is the worst board on 4chan. At least /v/ discusses video games to some extent; /ic/ is just "everything you do is shit and it will always be that way". There's no critique.

>>7922111

Problem with /ic/ giving ultra harsh critique, is that they're not Conceptart.org or Artstation, even if they like to think of themselves that way.
Guys there seem to be generally on a level of people who picked up pen 3 years ago and haven't been doing anything but exercises from books the whole time.
Drawing from imagination seems like some unbelievable feat for them and their works are stiff as fuck and good luck trying to find something that's even half way rendered.
Their only answer to problems is either Loomis or Vilppu, a meme that they took too fucking seriously.

To sum it up, /ic/ would be totally justified to have that harsh mindset, if they had even a shred of skill to back that attitude up and had actual solutions for problems presented for them.
They don't and those guys aren't going anywhere with their skills with their retarded attitudes.

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Well guys I have legit fucked up my latest pic

The eyes the foot the fucking colors

I shouldn't have been trying to experiment on a pic for a birthday request

>>7922486
I hate the "taste" meme.

When someone uses that word to describe what makes something good/bad you already know they have no idea what the fuck they're talking about

So....is doodling stick figure poses a good way to practice?

>>7923165

Yes it helps

>>7922057
I'm one of those people who stopped drawing as a small kid and then came back to it as an adult, so I don't even want to recall that because I tip-toed around so much, I'm ashamed to think about it

If you end up with stick figures, probably a good start is downloading "drawing on the right side of the brain", reading it and doing exercises from it as the book asks you to do (don't bother much with the "required" supplies/viewfinder/etc. though), that's where I've started. Don't read too deep into it, because it's content borders on pseudoscience, but exercises are very good and overall this book helps with initial motivation. This book doesn't actually teach you how to draw but it's helps you to get right approach and attitude, and it gets you from stick figures to bad drawings in a week or so.

Then you just cycle through drawing for fun, practicing and studying stuff. Drawing is a bunch of different skills: knowledge of the subject (e.g. to draw a human arm you should know what a human arm is), how vision works, mechanical skills, etc. You don't master any of those in a specific order, but instead progress evenly drawing after drawing. Most important is to have fun because it'll keep you motivated.

>>7923214
Yay I'm not wasting my time then.

>>7840575
where can i get a tiny shark

>>7877500
Keep being mad

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>>7923652
why

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>>7875782
I know your feels

>draw some pics for a general
>gets ignored
>Someone draws some standard lewds
>gets all the (you)'s

I don't think I have ever been so consistently salty over this

>>7923584
tiny ocean

>>7923681
Cuz being mad let's out all the stress and when you've let out all the stress you can be happy again

>>7923236
>>7922141
thank you both

>>7922437
when i was i kid i got a "how to draw anime" book, made all the eyes gigantic and then quit

>>7922832
better than me
stash that shit away and look at it when you're drawing super awesome shit as a reminder of how far youve come

>>7888975

another shitter artist thread that's been slow-active

come join us

>>7924904

is it as comfy as this thread?

>>7924917
from what i've experienced, yeah

you don't even have to use mspaint or suck at drawing to participate

>>7924966

i c

>>7924567

Well considering this
>>7905413
was what I've been using to push myself with for the last year

And before that I was using my shit from my old deviant art account to push myself

God those pics feel like I was trying to destroy my eyes when I look at them now

>>7922486
/ic/ the beginner threads are shit and no different than /trash/ skill except here you'll be coddled. /ic/ threads after you advance out of newfaggotry have people far better than the ones here, the LAS are more like conceptart.org. The biggest problem with /ic/ is they think all artists have to follow a formula to success with their shitty sticky they force down everyones throat. Totally ignoring how theres more than one way to approach it, like retards.

>>7851088
>>7891501
>>7891680
Just make voice acting thread here we probably have others who wants to voice