Star Fox Thread Never Ever Edition

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>>7078327

Krystal is for ______?

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>>7078522
Restoring the species?

>>7078327
Team Smashified screwed up big time with this one. She looks garbage.

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>>7078532

Good answer

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Lots of discussion of Starfox pairings and relationships last thread. What do people think of this sort of thing?

>>7079157
>implying Falco would care when he turned her down in the comic

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>>7078522
...feeding?

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>>7078522
Dumping in favor of best husbando

>>7075034
http://www.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/694530/original-star-fox-creator-not-interested-in-making-star-fox-for-wii/

It wasn't when they criticized the game's plot, it was when asking why there was no Starfox game on the Wii when the Wiimote is practically built for rail shooters.

>Cuthbert: Well, maybe in the future, you never know. Star Fox is an interesting brand. It has a very hardcore audience. People like those furries a little too much. (laughs)

>>7079583
It's not gay if he has a cloaca, right?

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>>7079723
Nope

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>>7078577
>Team Smashified screwed up big time with this one. She looks garbage.
The fuck are you talking about? That's ten times better than all that lewd shit of her.

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Let this thread fall.

Sage!

>>7079157
Don't really like NTR that much.

>>7078522
Smash

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ZSF

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>>7080077

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>>7083750

So I guess it's safe to say:

Characters that are liked/lusted after:
Fox, Falco, Peppy, Slippy
Krystal, Katt, Miyu, Fay, Fara
Wolf, Leon, Panther

Characters that are not:
Pigma
Andrew
Most of the trash from Command

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>>7083788
What if the Starfox franchise were genderbend from SNES to ZERO?

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>>7085165

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>>7080077
It's not gay if he's 1000 ft tall, right?

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>>7078327
If you're gonna make a Star Fox thread, make it a general Star Fox thread, and avoid using images that JUST feature Krystal as OP.

>Krystal OP
This is why this fucking thread isn't moving much.

>>7086328
No it's 'cause everyone is on /pol/ for the shooting

>>7086328
Last one did just fine and it had Krystal in the OP.

C'mon anon

>>7080328
>The fuck are you talking about?
Look at her face, blindo.

>>7079673
Star Fox should have been on the Wii. Would have worked better too compared to what Zero did.

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>>7086718
>shooting
What happened this time?

>>7088318
I fucking hate how all these artists draw her with faces that don't even remotely resemble hers.

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>>7088418
I think it has to do with the wide shape it has

>>7087271
Fucking arguing with gay furfags.

Yeah, sure.

>>7087882
Crazy puerto rican pledged loyalty to ISIS and shot up an airport

He told FBI that "ISIS WAS IN MY MIND" And shit months ago but the FBI released him again and then this happened

>>7089256
Geez, America's big government agencies are useless.

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>>7089256
Seems to be the trend these days
>"What? Person a shade of brown spouting pro-ISIS and calling for the death of infidels? Nah, lets not arrest him, that would be racist"

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>>7086718
Then explain why other trash threads are more active than this one. Stop fucking using her as OP. Use something that has more characters, not just solely her mug.

>>7087271
Are you kidding me? It was a shitstorm.

>>7087770
Not a damn thing is wrong with it.

>>7087882
>What happened this time?
Some dumbass shot up an airport. Don't you watch the news?

>>7088418
You are one picky fuck.

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fresh from MAGfest

>>7090704
do they jiggle?

>>7090704
Holy balls that's creepy

>>7089514
>Not a damn thing is wrong with it.
What's it like being objectively wrong.

>You are one picky fuck.
No, I just have standards. You should try it sometime.

>>7090704
She looks like that fat asian kid that's used in meme images.

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>>7089514
Ah c'mon it wasn't that bad.

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>>7090704
Who's the guy? Just a random?

>>7091072
>What's it like being objectively wrong.
What's wrong? Disappointed because it's not something you can fap to? That design is a hell of a lot better than her tribal wear & latex flight suit.

>You should try it sometime.
I rather not have low standards.

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>>7090704

>Phred fox thinks this is good

Holy dick, even the Fox and Wolf cosplayers I saw at my local convention looked less shitty than this. I assume that's phred himself, which if it is it only shows more of a hipster he is.

The only good Star Fox cosplays i've seen is Ayano and that other jap that dresses as Wolf. Basically put, Ayano and the other jap are the only good Krystal and Wolf cosplayers there is.

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>>7090704

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>>7090704

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>>7091770
Ayano Krystal a cute

>>7091735
>What's wrong?
The face. Already said it before.

>Disappointed because it's not something you can fap to?
Nope. Nice strawman, faggot.

>That design is a hell of a lot better than her tribal wear
Correct
>& latex flight suit.
Wrong. Also I don't think you know what latex is.

>>7091812
Wow, that is good.

>>7091738
I don't know if that's him or not. He's one of those few Farafags. Who cares? Can this thread talk about anything else?

>>7091915
>The face. Already said it before.
>Nope. Nice strawman, faggot.
Man, now I'm starting to hate this damn character. "Her face must be drawn absolutely the same as it was in Adventures." Something tells me you're that clown that gets pissy over Krystal pairings that doesn't involve Fox.

Nothing but trivial bullshit, like what the Star Fox homos do.

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>>7093559
>"Her face must be drawn absolutely the same as it was in Adventures."
Wrong again, faggot.

>Something tells me you're that clown that gets pissy over Krystal pairings that doesn't involve Fox.
>literally no argument but projecting and ad hominem

>>7082062
it's an ultra rare instance of Fox doing it so at least there's that.

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>>7093882
>posting shitty designs

>>7093568
>Wrong again, faggot.
>literally no argument but projecting and ad hominem
Yeah, sure. Whatever you say, bitch. You can take your ass back to tumblr. Shitty amateur artist.

>>7094022
You're not even trying anymore.

stop arguing and post more porn, you fucks

>>7094332
I don't have any Star Fox porn except some really degenerate ones I drew that are of mediocre quality.

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>>7094016
But everyone has a soft spot for the tribal bikini

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>>7094050
>You're not even trying anymore.
Keep telling yourself that: https://e621.net/user/show/221073

Your taste for art is mediocre. Just like your drawings.

>>7096085
Don't have an e621 account. Enjoy that last (You). Savour it.

needs more wiifit falco and zero suit fox

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>>7096300
zsf is overrated.
have a tribal impregnated slutfox instead

>>7091735
>Who's the guy? Just a random?
Phred Fox
He's an animator who made the "A Fox in Space" video last year around the same time Nintendo made their Star Fox video. He's been working on his StarFox parody animations for years. His second video is ~70% done according to streams. His first video was shown at MAGfest today.

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>>7096164
>exposed & still denies it.

>>7090704
Face needs some work.

>>7078327
>Command uniform
eat shit

Do you think Star Fox characters have more human-like genitalia or genitalia that resemble their own species?

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>>7079448
CORRECT!

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>>7098996
I like them with both knots and human dicks.

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>>7098944
It's not that version, dipshit. It's their (the artist) take on it.

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There have been a lot of great StarFox porn comics recently. I think there are still like 3 or so ongoing on FA. Anyone got any StarFox comics they like or any ideas for new comics?

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>>7101847
I got a comic for ZSF

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>>7102361
The end

>>7098996
I prefer a mix of human characteristics and actual animal genitalia.

-Fox/Wolf/Bill have Knots.
-Falco has a cloaca and a regular asshole under his tailfeathers (Either Cloaca having a pink cock or essentially being a male pussy is fine with me)
-Leon has a pink cock or Hemipenes (basically looking like double dicks) coming out of his slit and a regular asshole under his tail
-Panther gets soft fleshy barbs

>>7101847
There was this Doujin I was hoping someone with money would get

>>7101847
I've had a few different ideas/scenarios in mind.
What is everyone's desired fetish?

>>7101847

I dont remember if it was a parody, but I had one in mid involving a pregnant Krystal. The backdraw is it involves an oc of mine.

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>>7103403
Is this the doujin? Really hoping we get an English translation of this!

>>7104558
Everyone's not going to have the same fetish man, but it would be great to see your ideas regardless!

>>7105814
Parody? What do you mean?

>>7106354
Nah sorry it's a gay iboshi doujin involving Falco.

The art looks a little silly but Iboshi's bird stuff makes me rock hard.

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>>7101963
>>7102003
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>>7102375
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Gs4sOy-mZk

>>7100168
>paw pads on human feet
Blegh...

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>>7104558
>What is everyone's desired fetish?
Not welcome here.

>>7101847
What's the pairing/character you have in mind?

Because I have a couple ideas but it depends on pairing/character

>>7104558
Idea I had once
>The team is apart after assault
>with krystal absent fix has to masturbate to satisfy desires
>porn starts out vanilla but eventually goes deeper and deeper into degeneracy
>krystal eventually returns to him and they restart a serious relationship
>start having sex, however fox can't get hard without thinking of krystal as [insert fetish here]
>for me it's a flabby, slobby, lactating slutfox
>fox's emotions and desires bleed into krystals mind because she's an empathy
>she doesn't notice it at first but slowly her flight suit's start getting tighter
>she doesn't eat as healthy as she used to, settling more for pizza and cheesecake
>when she can't fit into her fightsuit anymore she brings it up with Fox
>fox claims he doesn't mind. In fact he tries to encourage it without her knowledge
>krystal fattens some more
>moving about gets harder.
>she's self conscious but Fox insists he doesn't mind
>meanwhile sex gets better and he wants more causing his and krystals feelings to intensify
>her hygiene slips
>she wears nothing but a small t-shirt and sweatpants
>spends all day on the couch stuffing herself getting fatter
>eventually fox admits he likes her this way and starts actively trying to fatten her
>sex

Kinda went off on there

>>7078522
childbearing

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>>7082341

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>>7091823
I'm going to marry Ayano!

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SHE'S GOT A GUN!

>>7106354

Unless im confusing it entirely with something else, the plot I think was making fun of something.

Point is, Krystal gets fucked by another guy, but it's supposed to be a double fault.

>Krystal though where she went to help with her back wasnt really it, she was tricked by a guy to stopping by somewhere else
>The moment she realized what was going on, she kinda let her lust take over and allowed him to fuck (this is because with how long she hasnt fucked Fox, it kinda screwed her over)
>The guy on the other hand was so blinded by her physique that he didnt even clarify if she was a single mother or not. His fetish for preggo/thick women fucked him over

I did make it so it ends it two ways.
>The real ending is Krystal confesses she isnt single (as he kept saying, assuming she was), he gets irked but realized they were both at fault, and basically settles it. It ends with Fox lightening up after a minor conflict between the two and plowing Krystal, he finds the experience kind of hot yet is kind of concerned

>The other ending isnt the real one, in a nutshell she lets him fuck her more that she eventually is let go by him as he has other clients to deal with (plus it's kind of a rule). She waddles back with a look as if she just had the time of her life

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Krystal is overrated. Miyu a best

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>>7112417
Now if we could just get her into an actual game

>>7108442
>den dead eyes

Stay alive thread

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>>7084166
Then fans would put up more of an effort to defend Zero

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>>7112417
Why not both?

(Dialog is a reference to Krystal Appreciation this year which was a sex competition between all the StarFox girls)

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>>7115403

>Implying anyone but the few dumbfucks on miiverse will defend Zero

Speaking of, I noticed one of em projected really hard.

>Implying the fanbase is in any way mature, this is also ironic of him to say this because he got severely butthurt over one guy mocking Zero when he learned the game bombed
>Add his weakness is Fox Mccloud being ridiculed, in fact he's so weak to this that he'll actually cry over it. The endless amounts of Fox drawings he makes is clear of this (he even drew himself merged with him)
>He deleted it, but he made a huge post bitching and moaning over the Krystal fan boogey men
>The latter term he picked up from the other autist who calls himself Fox Mccloud, he's also pissed off at the same people but more so for apparently not agreeing with his opinions. Think Andrew Dobson but if he was a Star Fox purefag, he actually does the same things as him
'>Blocks you, tries to shit on you, cries to his hugbox, etc
>Thinks because he achieved the highest score in Zero makes him a god as he implied he believes what he did was an achievement (protip: it isnt, no one gives a shit about score nowadays)
>Claims to of left miiverse but is still around, in the very community he said he didnt wish to be around in anymore

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>>7116559
I'm very sure others realized their idiotic behavior. They been called out by a lot of people. Can you not always bring up the two mentally deficient asshats on a kiddie site?

Which star fox girl is for femdom?

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>>7117875
Is that a trick question?

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>that look on her face when she knows there's a nice load in her.

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>>7091915
>Also I don't think you know what latex is.
It does look like a rubber-like bodysuit. Where's your mind at?

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>>7120033

>that collar

Oh baby.

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>>7125067
Stop prolonging this empty thread with single post bumps.

Sage.

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bedtime bump

>>7079157
I sort of like this guys stuff if nothing else than because it takes the autists whipping boy and reverses the situation.
I almost want to commission someone to do a mini comic of krystal gobbling down all the shitty OC and lizard cocks she can find then have fox find out and target the location for an orbital strike or have krystal killed by them all and the corpse fucked, but there arn't many artists who would do something like that for anything less than a grand and a "don't fucking ever post this" contract.

>>7130323
You furries and your stupid fetishes.

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>>7130623
yeah pretty much

now post more krystal strippers

Is Krystal the biggest pornstar of the furry fandom?

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>>7133165
It's either Krystal or Renamon. It's a never-ending battle for dominance.

>>7133165
Three-way tie between Krystal, Renamon, and Rouge.

>>7133574
What a 3-way it is

Someone red pill me on Cody

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>>7137485

>Defends shitty games such as Zero, etc
>Was obviously involved in the minor defense force during the first two weeks of Zeros launch, spouting shit like "reviews dont matter", "git gud", etc
>Gets butthurt Jim Sterling labeled Star Fox Zero as the 8th worst game of 2016

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>>7138006

Before the latter, articles confirmed Zero turned out as a major flop, to the point the very analyst who spoiled an entire E3 panel explained just how bad it did. Of course he probably assumed that was a lie.

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>>7138006
>>7138102

>>7138006
I wonder if Star Fox Zero had anything to do with Scalebound getting canceled? Either way 2016 was a rough year for Platinum.

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>>7139491

Doubt that, plus I read Platinum just assisted with Zero. Nintendo EPD were the ones who really developed Zero. Someone even backed it up saying the easter egg in Bayonetta 2 was more enjoyable.

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Krystal is my waifu

>>7139755
your waifu is a cucking slut
now post full then jizz on her tits and face like she wants

>>7078327
Reminder that Krystal is the worst character, wasn't even meant for Star Fox, and marked the start of the series fall.

>>7140115
You're really trying to usurp Cody for most obnoxious poster in a Star Fox thread, aren't you Boco?

>>7140191
I don't know or care about the lore of trash starfox threads to know who cody is.

The point is, it's correct information, sorry it hurts your waifu.

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>>7140191

It's most likely the same fag from the last thread. Best to ignore him as he's known for being a raging autist over moot matters, that and backpedaling hard.

>>7141143
I don't think we're the same person then.

Most of my debates end with the other person stopping responding after his points are crushed entirely.

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>>7140115
>>7140223
>marked the start of the series fall.
>The point is, it's correct information
That explains why Star Fox 64 3D and Zero had tepid sells. Oh, wait. She's not in those games.

You can't even troll.

>>7141530
>That explains why Star Fox 64 3D and Zero had tepid sells.
>not knowing those came after Krystal
lol wat?

You can't be this retarded. Lemme break it down, when I say marks the start of the series fall, I mean Star Fox got shit when they came out and has been shit since.

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Friendly reminder that because SFZ was such a failure and Nintendo probably won't even revisit it outside of Smash, the future of StarFox now lies in the hands of this man.

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>>7141820

>Phred Fox

If im not entirely mistaken, he really doesnt care about it either, he's just using it to gain profit to fund his own personal shit. His site gives this indication.

>>7141882
I don't get it, seems like his post was accurate.

If that's even him, this seems weak.

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>>7140115

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>>7141820

>Not just having the only dev team in Japan that fully understands the kemono/furry theme

Combine them with either Platinum or another one of Bamcos devs and you'll have a hit. I say this because if you played this, you'll know the game was far too easy.

Actually funny to know how even though this game didnt do so well, the developers actually knew this and were happy to of gotten it released throughout the world. Other than that it has more than what Star Fox would ever dream of having.

>Implying Star Fox has any merch besides some jakks figures and a statue
>Three artbooks, plus the artbook of their very first game, plus the extra books if you got the collectors edition
>Seven fan books, plus three books the dev team made featuring submitted furry art from people around the world
>A complete variation of the seven books, the catch is it's smaller than the originals
>Various merch
>More of a following in Japan

>>7142119
Good response.

Too bad it shows you have no rebuttal.

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>>7142228
That's because it's the same garbage that we see all the time on /v/. If the same shit keeps getting posted over and over again there's no point in coming up with a creative counterargument.

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>>7130323
Oh yeah? What's your favorite one of these? Guessing you're not the only one - anyone else?

Interesting idea too, though yeah it's the kind of thing you'd probably have to pay for. Anything other ideas?

>>7142309
So what you're saying is lots of people say it, and you have had no rebuttal for so long, that you won't even try.

That's called me being right, and you being wrong lol.

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>>7141779
>You can't be this retarded.
I'm sure you're exactly that. Let me break it down to you. Star Fox 64 is regarded as "the best game in the series" often called a masterpiece. They even released a port of SF64 on 3DS. Explain why the mini masterpiece didn't do nearly as well as the N64 counterpart on a handheld that out sold the Wii U by Fucking miles. And now Star Fox Zero, the half-assed variant of SF64, did worst than Command.

You look ignorant still scapegoating a character. Learn how to troll. Either you're reaching or you're just this stupid overall.

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>>7142413
Okay, you want an actual counter argument?

Show me evidence that Krystal caused the series' sales to decline and had something to do with the development bungles it's had since the N64. I'll be waiting.

And in the meanwhile, I'll let you chew on a fun fact of my own: there wouldn't have been any Star Fox games on the Gamecube if not for Star Fox Adventures. Miyamoto turned Dinosaur Planet into a Star Fox spinoff because Nintendo was doing nothing with the franchise anyway. Adventures sold decently enough so they followed it up with Assault.

Nintendo has always seen Star Fox as a bastard child and it's one of their least utilized properties. This goes all the way back to the cancellation of Star Fox 2. Krystal didn't exist back then so you can't blame her for that fiasco, just like you can't blame her for the fiasco that is Star Fox Zero.

>>7142455

To add to your statement.

>Ocarina of Time 3D sold far more than Star Fox 64 3D, and it came out a fucking month after
>Splatoon, though came out much sooner than Zero, it sold well over a million in 28 days and has since hit the 4 million mark. Zero only hit about 300k
>Kirby's Robobot even kicked Zeros ass in a week in Japan, selling quadruple the amount Zero did, and that was before it even got released in both EU and NA.

>>7142493
Show me evidence that Krystal caused the series' sales to decline and had something to do with the development bungles it's had since the N64. I'll be waiting

Well, all trolly aside, it wasn't just Krystal, rather the whole meddling Miyamoto did turning Dinosaur Planet into SF Adventures, helping push Rare away from Nintendo, and creating a game that will forever have mixed reviews within the fandom.

So no, not just Krystal, but I like to say she marked it because her waifu fags like you take personal offense.

>And in the meanwhile, I'll let you chew on a fun fact of my own: there wouldn't have been any Star Fox games on the Gamecube if not for Star Fox Adventures.
And?

>Miyamoto turned Dinosaur Planet into a Star Fox spinoff because Nintendo was doing nothing with the franchise anyway.
Miyamoto has always had rough relations with Rare, and shoehorned it into a Starfox game. Tossel even said the change wasn't all that well received, and, no shit, they were designing a completely different game.

>Nintendo has always seen Star Fox as a bastard child
Not really, unless you're referring to the dealings with Argonaut, which don't really come into play all that much. 64 was very successful even after the debacle.

>Krystal didn't exist back then so you can't blame her for that fiasco, just like you can't blame her for the fiasco that is Star Fox Zero.
I never did. Why are you just throwing shit to the wall like I said it lol.

>>7142455
>They even released a port of SF64 on 3DS. Explain why the mini masterpiece didn't do nearly as well as the N64 counterpart on a handheld that out sold the Wii U by Fucking miles.

Why would it? Legit, I don't understand why someone would get a worse version with nothing new or interesting to offer. Even Ocarina and Super Mario 64 let you do real new shit and wasn't a pure gimmick. Even the voice acting was shittier.

>And now Star Fox Zero, the half-assed variant of SF64, did worst than Command.

Why do buttmad Krystalfags always bring that up? I didn't even mention it, never defended it, don't like it, but people throw it out there constantly. Is it because there's finally a worse full on game than Adventures?

>You look ignorant still scapegoating a character. Learn how to troll. Either you're reaching or you're just this stupid overall.
>REEE RAGE RAGE BAD TROLL REEE DGHJEJWEYH
This is you.

>>7142727
>why do games with completely different and larger fanbases do better than a game with a smaller fanbase that started falling apart after the disappointment that was Adventures.
Geee I just don't know.

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>>7142403
Probably this one although yours comes close.
Hope he does more.

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>A-Adventures is a disappointment

You still would've bitched over Assault even if Adventures didnt happen. You keep bitching about this one game that clearly triggered you that the second you get cornered with counter arguments to why it wasnt all that bad even going far to saying it's not the case at all, you cant think of any viable comback and instead backpedal or pull shit out of your ass.

You've been doing this in nearly every Star Fox thread

>>7143833
>You still would've bitched over Assault even if Adventures didnt happen.
Of course, not really because of Krystal though, just because Assault was kinda blah. Also it took some directions that were quite Sonic tier that I didn't enjoy seeing.

>You keep bitching about this one game that clearly triggered you that the second you get cornered with counter arguments to why it wasnt all that bad even going far to saying it's not the case at all, you cant think of any viable comback and instead backpedal or pull shit out of your ass.
That's a whole lot of pretending right there. Cornered by what counter argument? If you're going to pretend something I said wasn't properly refuting something, you need to do better than GOTTAM. At least try for me please.

>You've been doing this in nearly every Star Fox thread
Yeah, it's fun.

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>>7143587
No kidding! Shame there aren't more people to write/draw this kind of thing. Though you know, you were pretty descriptive writing your idea before...

>>7143833
>You still would've bitched over Assault even if Adventures didnt happen.
Only 64fags, who as seen with Zero should not be listened to.

>>7144064
maybe I'll request something in the draw thread or try and do a short fapfic or something some time this week.

>>7144065
Why do people keep lumping those who enjoy the best game with those who defend the worst game?

>>7144126

You know how Genwunners bitch about every new installment and shit on those who enjoy em? Same matter here, except they lost when Zero ended up being a failure.

>>7144153
I don't get it

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>>7143564
>Why do buttmad Krystalfags always bring that up?
Assuming someone's butthurt. Also, it constantly gets brought up because it's facts, and because idiots like you keep stating the same faulty ass arguments on how this series went downhill.

>This is you.
More like this is you trying too hard.

>Geee I just don't know.
Be gone, you're not even troll right. Just some dipshit who's want attention in this thread.

>>7144264

genwunners are notorious for being the most autistic group in the pokemon fanbase. Using SUn and Moons situation.

>Bitched about the gen 1s alola forms because "muh childhood"
>Bandwagoned on SuMo being shit when piratefags spoiled everything, this of course wasnt the case at all because it was actually a good game
>Some went as far to saying SuMo sold the best because of POkemon Go, which clearly wasnt the case because Go's population died off a month after it launched

Basically, if it's not exactly like the first game, and I mean literally exactly like the first game, it's shit to them and they'll piss and moan

>>7144277

Doubles dont lie

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>>7143865
>Yeah, it's fun.
Not enough furry dick pics to calm your ass down.

>>7144277
>Assuming someone's butthurt.
Sure seems like it when they rage post.

>Also, it constantly gets brought up because it's facts
Yeah

>and because idiots like you keep stating the same faulty ass arguments on how this series went downhill.
Cept the series DID starting becoming ultra mixed in opinion when Adventures and beyond came out. I don't see how Zero is suddenly a beacon of the fall of the series when it's been in decline way before that.

>More like this is you trying too hard.
kay lol.

>Be gone, you're not even troll right. Just some dipshit who's want attention in this thread.
Kekked, you have no response so you just say begone? Autism is fine in /trash/ and all but at least have some class.

>>7144355
So are you saying the guy raging about Zero is and saying it's all 64 fans faults is a gen one fan?

>>7144401
The narrative people create in their minds is fascinating when you attack their waifu.

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>>7143865
You've been asked to show "how Krystal made this decline" and you can't even do that. If she were male, a great deal of you submissive Fox furfags wouldn't be so pissed.

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>>7144439

>Implying it isnt gay furshits that bitch over one character

Then again since you admitted yourself you're doing this "for teh lulz XD" in every thread, your opinion is invalid. Hell it's not really fun than it is being incredibly autistic, you're no short of that of Barneyfag

>>7144596
>doesnt like Krystal
>must be gayfur
Wut? So emotional. Like I said, I was trolling about that, Krystal isn't a bad character because she made the series decline, Krystal is bad because she has no character, was ripped out of her own game, stuffed into a crystal as eye candy in the first 15 minutes, shoved aside for Fox to take over, and even after all that, nothing more than a Fox love interest in Assault.

It's embarrassing.

>>7144670
>ur opinion is invalid for saying one part to rile people up is trololo
Well, one way to say "I give up and cant contest you"

gg

>>7144126
>Why do people keep lumping those who enjoy the best game with those who defend the worst game?
Because the worst game only exists because of pandering to said people?

>>7144867
Source?

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>>7144096
Hey, that would be really cool man! I have not seen the drawthreads go well so typically I don't look at them, but I'll keep an eye out to second your requests. It would be great to see you write something some time this week.

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>>7144439
>The narrative people create in their minds is fascinating
>waifu
This whole Fox, Falco, and Wolf husbando shit is a fact. Also, waifu? I'm gay, dick lips.

>Sure seems like it when they rage post.
Keep telling yourself that. A response doesn't mean they're raging.

>>7144758
>has no character
Implying Fox, Falco, Slippy, and Peppy have any.

>It's embarrassing
Damn straight, the four names listed above can be summed up as overused memes. I'm done with you. Now go barrel roll off a cliff, good sir.

>>7145310
>This whole Fox, Falco, and Wolf husbando shit is a fact
What?

>Keep telling yourself that. A response doesn't mean they're raging.
It does when they lose all objectivity and say stupid stuff like "Barrel roll off a cliff" kekked

>Implying Fox, Falco, Slippy, and Peppy have any.
Believe it or not, the characters all have arcs in SF64. I don't blame you for not noticing.

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>>7144990
>he needs a source that a Star Fox 64 rehash was pandering to Star Fox 64 fanboys

>>7145515
So you have no actual source.

Because what I saw was another reboot, that forced you to use fucked controls, and tried to be way too much what it isn't.

I don't see how that appeals to SF64 fanboys who like a simpler game with solid controls and not a billionth reboot or remake.

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>>7144990
How bout all those damn people saying reboot over the years. Shitheads spamming Hideki kamiya's Twitter to the point where he actually said "Fuck off, Star Fox idiots." Zero "playing it safe" by rehashing 64 again.

You can't tell me pandering wasn't involved in the creation of Zero.

>>7145668
So what you're saying is someone that hates Star Fox fans spamming his Twitter pandered to them?

Do you know how pandering works?

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>>7145412
>>7145731
>Believe it or not, the characters all have arcs in SF64. I don't blame you for not noticing.
Don't kid yourself, they're all underdeveloped. They're memes. What makes this more sad is that Nintendo threw in a meme trash bonus level for Peppy in Zero.

>What?
You're either oblivious to it all, or just being willful ignorant. Looks like the second.

You call yourself trolling, but you're just making yourself look stupid.

>>7146453
I'm not saying they're hyper developed, I'm saying they all had arcs, and when I say I don't blame you for not noticing, I'm not being cunty, I mean, it's not something people really think about.

As for the rest of your post, you're going too far off the deep end of emotion bro, I said aspects were trolling. You realize not everything is black and white right? I can call out Krystalfags for fun and move on to objective, reasonable discussion. I never said this was all trolling lol.

I think you need to have a little relax time.

>>7145540
>So you have no actual source.
So you're in denial then?
>latest game is a SF64 rehash
>previous game was a SF64 port
>Star Fox characters in Smash 4 had their SF64 voice actors and this was before Zero was even officially unveiled
>on the Orbital Gate Assault stage, the conversation easter egg only has the original four and no Krystal despite her being on the team in Assault
>lol they aren't pandering to SF64 fanboys

>I don't see how that appeals to SF64 fanboys
Besides the plot, characters and general gameplay?

>>7146557

You also forgot that in that very stage, not even Star Wolf was in there, and they're also involved in the very stage it takes place in Assault.

>>7146542
>So you're in denial then?
How can I be in denial when you brought nothing up.

>latest game is a SF64 rehash
>previous game was a SF64 port
>Star Fox characters in Smash 4 had their SF64 voice actors and this was before Zero was even officially unveiled
>on the Orbital Gate Assault stage, the conversation easter egg only has the original four and no Krystal despite her being on the team in Assualt
>lol they aren't pandering to SF64 fanboys

They aren't. This was about Zero, Platinum Games, you're talking all this nonsense about Zero failing because people were pandering to SF64 fans.

They did it because they thought it would be safe, and it failed because no one, not even SF64 fans enjoyed it. Also the shoehorning of shit controls. The game was just a blunder. You act like it's all SF64 fans fault when Command was a departure that included the Krystal infested timeline and sucked dick. Make a bad game, similar or dissimilar to SF64, it's still a bad game.

>Besides the plot, characters and general gameplay?
Yeah, it's a reboot, that doesn't mean SF64 fans wanted it lol. Also the gameplay was not appealing to them in any way, I have no idea why you think it was.

Cool double post tho.

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>>7146620
>They did it because they thought it would be safe

>Implying you have any viable source to back this up

I'm also accusing you of being one of those twats from that cesspool miiverse.

>>7146712
>Implying you have any viable source to back this up

Fair, we can both agree with have no official source saying why they did a reboot of the last clear success of a game.

You say they're fanboy pandering, I say they played it safe trying to strike gold again.

>>7144096
>>7145190
>Krystal goes back to lizard cock town to get culturally enriched
>Fox beyond caring at this point, goes about his business
>She calls him a day later, turns out being gagged and raped nearly to death then beaten every day isn't any fun
>Fox cuts her coms offf and rans his cock back down Kats throat were it sits as she flicks her tongue and vibrates it via purs until he unloads down her throat after an hour

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>>7130323

Anon that's rather edgy, in fact there's only one person who'd be that butthurt enough to do that. I'm not saying you, but you're kinda sounding like him because someone confirmed he has a legitimate issue.

I dont think he's even around anymore, but he definitely was one of those people that hated one character for being popular, while the character he loved was beyond obscure. I think he hated Katt, Miyu, and Fay also.

>>7146535
>I'm saying they all had arcs
And they're all underdeveloped as well. You can't blast one character, and not blast the rest.

>I can call out Krystalfags for fun and move on to objective
Then I guess getting your ass handed to you is your idea of fun. Because that's all I ever see when it comes to Star Fox. Hivemind idiots cling to this notion that Krystal had something to do with Star Fox's decline, and others debunking that stupid notion with ease.

>emotion
>I think you need to have a little relax time
Um, who's pissed? You're way off if you think that's the case.

>trolling
Dude, you aren't fooling anyone, since you say you do this for fun. You still haven't given any legitimate evidence on Krystal "killing the series" because there isn't any. You're just talking out of your ass. That's all I see here.

Might as well hold up a sign saying "please beat me. my ass is ready for more punishment, krystalfags."

You just can't get enough. ;)

>>7147345
>And they're all underdeveloped as well. You can't blast one character, and not blast the rest.
You mean in regards to only blasting Krystal? The difference is at least the SF64 characters were fun, memorable, and grew and changed.

Krystal has never been anything more than a generic, kind, fox love interest. She is not memorable, the most memorable thing that came from her is that sandwich eating shit.

>Then I guess getting your ass handed to you is your idea of fun.
Well I guess pretending is your idea of fun, since, you never debunked anything, ever. Why are you being liberal tier, literally, you never debunked anything kek.

>Um, who's pissed? You're way off if you think that's the case.
Whatever helps you cope.

>Dude, you aren't fooling anyone, since you say you do this for fun.
Doing something for fun can only be trolling now? Jesus, Disneyland must be full of trolls.

>You still haven't given any legitimate evidence on Krystal "killing the series" because there isn't any.
Nigga are you blind? I wrote about my post being hyperbolic, and said it wasn't just Krystal, it was what happened with Adventures in general. Stop being so butthurt that you can't read properly.

Everything else is autism. Reorganize yourself, that's an order, you aren't allowed to post again until you actually open up your eyes, read, and stop making yourself look like a 15 year old.

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Came for the furry porn. stayed for the autist making an idiot of them-self with text posts. Keep up the good work, its mildly amusing to see just how stupid stupid can get.

>>7147441
>The difference is at least the SF64 characters were fun, memorable, and grew and changed

>Implying they grew or changed

Bitch, everyone was a bland 1 dimensional character. The idea of em being "deep" is nothing more than a nostalgiafag delusion.

>>7147572
Were they not fun and memorable? Then how did they last this fucking long?

And, they did change, not even pulling your leg, they had an arc, look it up.

Not saying they're hyper evolved or anything again, just saying it is what it is.

>>7147554
more krystal in beachwear?

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Don't mind me

Just posting my favorite Star Fox pairing

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Oh and Krystal didn't kill the series, Miyamoto did.

>>7146618
I thought about that, but Star Wolf were in 64. Unless it was 64 pandering to not have them since they were helping Star Fox instead of being enemies.

>>7146620
>How can I be in denial when you brought nothing up.
Just because you don't like what I said, doesn't mean it is "nothing".

>They aren't.
>They did it because they thought it would be safe
They thought it would be safe because the last Star Fox that didn't receive a lot of hate was, surprise surprise, Star Fox 64.

>You act like it's all SF64 fans fault when Command was a departure that included the Krystal infested timeline and sucked dick.
And there we have it, folks! He's just one of "Krystal is what made Star Fox go bad" guys salty Zero proved him wrong.

>Yeah, it's a reboot, that doesn't mean SF64 fans wanted it lol.
>Star Fox 64fags didn't want Star Fox 64
Kek, keep telling yourself that.

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>>7079448
agreed

>>7146749
More please

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>>7147441
>The difference is at least the SF64 characters were fun, memorable
>She is not memorable
See, there you go proving what I said about them being memes. It's one of the only things you clowns hold dear. Old ass dialog.

>>7140115
(coughs) Same shit, different day.

>never debunked anything
Yeah, keep telling yourself that. Past responses say different.

>it wasn't just Krystal
It was just the developers, but you timid to realize that.

>Everything else is autism.
Don't be so hard on yourself.

>>7147554
>Keep up the good work, its mildly amusing to see just how stupid stupid can get.
Ignorance has no bounds. They like running in circles.

>>7147728
>Then how did they last this fucking long?
Memes. Any level-headed person within the Star Fox fandom can see that.

>Not saying they're hyper evolved or anything
The entire cast has this issue. Nothing new.

>>7147441
>Stop being so butthurt
No butthurt here, but it's hilarious watching you assblast yourself.

>>7148683
>Just because you don't like what I said, doesn't mean it is "nothing"
Kek but what did you say, it's all over the place.

>They thought it would be safe because the last Star Fox that didn't receive a lot of hate was, surprise surprise, Star Fox 64
Yes, was clearly successful.

>And there we have it, folks! He's just one of "Krystal is what made Star Fox go bad" guys salty Zero proved him wrong.
Kek what the fuck, Command was bad for way more than Krystal, you're literally insane to have such a bonkers interpretation of my writing.

>Star Fox 64fags didn't want Star Fox 64
>zero is 64
kekked

>>7150687
>She is not memorable
No, she really isn't.

https://www.writingforward.com/storytelling/iconic-characters

>Yeah, keep telling yourself that. Past responses say different.
Point out one that debunked what I said.

>It was just the developers, but you timid to realize that.
It was the whole ordeal, they ruined Krystal as a character and she is forever a symbol of what happens when you go that far in your meddling and make a Star Fox game in a setting and story that has nothing to do with Star Fox.

>Don't be so hard on yourself.
Don't worry, I'm not, nice elementary school rubber / glue defense tho kek.

>Memes. Any level-headed person within the Star Fox fandom can see that.
Genes influence memes, educate yourself. You probably don't even know what a meme is do you?

>The entire cast has this issue. Nothing new.
64 they had arcs, there were changes. Assault they had more dialogue, and some of the blandest most forgettable lines ever.

I love that they even threw in an awkward "be careful fox" during a mission briefing to remind the audience YES YES SHE IS FOXES LOVE INTEREST. Or the painful honeymoon shit. Embarrassing. It's ironic the most memorable parts of her, are the most cringe inducing.

>No butthurt here, but it's hilarious watching you assblast yourself.
It's hilarious to watch people have no defense to what I'm saying and then spam LEL U GOT DESTROYED NO REBUTTAL UR BOOTY BLASTED REEEE.

Despite asking again and again to point out what debunked what, and no one being able to deliver.

>>7150774
>Kek but what did you say
Star Fox Zero was pandering to Star Fox 64 fanboys. Are you just illiterate?

>zero is 64
Yeah, pretty much.

>>7150915
>Star Fox Zero was pandering to Star Fox 64 fanboys. Are you just illiterate?
So you saying it should be taken as gospel with no actual information on it? What the fuck lol.

>Yeah, pretty much.
You were born after 2000 weren't you, did you even play 64?

>>7150923
>playing dumb this hard
And we're done here. Next time don't pretend to be retarded.

>>7150941
>reee i have no response so ur playin retarded i win i win
Okay buddy boy.

I'm asking you to point out where people debunked and wrecked my points so hard, and all people say is either CUZ I SAID SO, or I said it earlier.

lol.

>>7150947
>reee i have no response
That was you, playing dumb enough to pretend Zero isn't pandering to Star Fox 64 fanboys with the same rehashed plot, characters and locations.

You've been wrecked the entire thread. Stop embarrassing yourself.

>>7150969
>Star Fox 64 fanboys with the same rehashed plot, characters and locations
No one on any executive board is like HAY MAN YOU KNOW THE STAR FOX FANS THAT HAVE DWINDLED OVER THE YEARS YEAH LETS PANDER TO THEM.

They did it because it's safe, because 64 was the last clear success, because it wasn't risky.

And they thought they could get away with the shit control forcing because it was such a small risk.

>Stop embarrassing yourself.
So much projection from you boo boo lol.

>>7150977
>No one on any executive board is like "hey man, you know those fans that complain every time we release a Star Fox game that doesn't play like Star Fox 64? How about we give them what they want? What could possibly go wrong?"
Okay, I was wrong before. You aren't pretending to be retarded; you just genuinely are retarded.

It's safe and not risky because it's what Star Fox 64fags like. Holy hell, you are dense.

>>7151004
>It's safe and not risky because it's what Star Fox 64fags like
You're literally saying the devs are banking on a borderline dead fandom.

You realize there's more people to appeal to than JUST fans correct? Do you ever wonder why the Force Awakens did well despite shitting over the entire Star Wars fandom? Because it appealed to more people than just fans.

Shit, I hope you never get into the game industry, you're going to have a rough as fuck time trying to sell only remakes because you think only fans will buy it kek.

How can it pander to 64 fags who liked 64 and only 64. How can it pander to them when the branching of paths is fucked? How can it pander to them when the story was reboot, and the events of 64 slammed out of canon. How can it appeal to them when the story was shined up and given what the idiots thought was new life, again, buttfucking the canon.

Open your eyes and stop thinking with your rage boner, it's not all the fans fault.

well this got autistic fast

>>7152125
Do you know where you are?

>>7151185
>Do you ever wonder why the Force Awakens did well despite shitting over the entire Star Wars fandom?
Because it literally sells on brand recognition alone?

>Shit, I hope you never get into the game industry, you're going to have a rough as fuck time trying to sell only remakes because you think only fans will buy it kek.
Nah, I wouldn't shit out remakes in the first place.

>How can it pander to 64 fags who liked 64 and only 64.
>retreads the story and setting of Star Fox 64
>only has the characters that were in Star Fox 64, no new ones or ones that showed up in later games
>other than a few gimmicks and the Walker mechani cfrom Star Fox 2, the gameplay is pretty much Star Fox 64's
How the hell was it not?

>How can it pander to them when the branching of paths is fucked?
Because they were lazy with the game.

>How can it pander to them when the story was reboot, and the events of 64 slammed out of canon.
It's a reimagining, not a reboot. And even if it was the story still uses the main plot points so most of it is still intact.

>Open your eyes and stop thinking with your rage boner, it's not all the fans fault.
You're right. It's not all the SF64 fans fault. It's the fault of Miyamoto AND the SF64 fans.

>>7152585
>Because it literally sells on brand recognition alone?
Did well as in, well regarded.

>How the hell was it not?
Obviously you have no fucking idea that sf64 fags enjoyed sf64, not another reboot of it. They wanted a game that ran like SF64, not with shit controls, not a retread. How are you this mentally fucked to be unable to comprehend that?

>Because they were lazy with the game.
No shit, and it doesn't pander, it was a huge criticism of the game from the 64 fan camp.

>It's a reimagining, not a reboot. And even if it was the story still uses the main plot points so most of it is still intact.
And it still shits on 64.

>You're right. It's not all the SF64 fans fault. It's the fault of Miyamoto AND the SF64 fans.
Oh come off it, don't be mad Adventures killed the fandom. Like seriously, you're such a butthurt little baby that people point out the flaws of adventures and assault that you create this insane narrative in your head that SF64 fans ruined something.

You are right though, Miyamoto did kill Star Fox, the day he walked into Rare and demanded the change away from Dinosaur Planet.

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>>7152825
>don't be mad Adventures killed the fandom

>Still blaming one game
>Projecting so hard, people will say those games have faults, but they're still better than Zero in the end
>Implying 64fucks didnt get assdevastated when critics and the majority hated Zero that they desperately went out of their way to defending it to the point of blowing every valid criticism off as a lie

I seriously expected Gameinformer to be all over Zero since they're owned by Gamestop, but even they didnt like it. Your grudge over this one title is really unhealthy

>>7152997
>Your grudge over this one title is really unhealthy
>attempts to attack someone for attacking adventures and the timeline that followed
>proceeds to attack one game super hard
What is this liberal tier double standard you're trying to pull? Adventures was the start of the mixed opinion was it not? Adventures was the start of the meh tier timeline that the fandom dwindled over was it not? Zero sucked dick, Adventures sucked before it, get over it.

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>>7153029
>Adventures was the start of the mixed opinion was it not

You've been told that it wasnt the case, yet you still act like it is. The minute Zero killed the series was when all that autismal bitching over one game got destroyed.

What i'm saying is you have no valid argument at this point because it was said that it wasnt Adventures that did anything but more so the series itself was screwed when certain people got this retarded idea that the series had to be what they perceived it as, when it was clear it was meant to be an open world game. Assault was pretty damn close to that as Adventures was.

Rail shooters died a few years after 64 released, and Adventures coincidentally released just as it really showed. There was a slight comeback when the Wii was new, but that didnt last that long at all, in fact it killed Sin & Punishment. Nobody, not even your AAA or indie developers will ever make em because they know it's an obsolete genre.

As anon even told you, you would've still bitched over Assault anyway, which is funny because two other IPs suffered the same shit during the GC era.

>Sunshine got a ton of shit that Marios VA felt disappointed for how underrated it is
>Wind Waker was hated for a whole year, and hilariously gets shit on now because the Zelda Cycle
>Twilight Princess also gets shit too and this was the fucking game OoTfags wanted

Why it was said those three 64 games raised a standard far too high.

>still painting 64fags with broad strokes
If a 64 fan didn't think Zero was the most disappointing shit ever then they were likely faggots to begin with.
>t.64fag

>>7153194
>You've been told that it wasnt the case, yet you still act like it is.
Been told by who? You? Way to ignore literally everything out there to the contrary.

>The minute Zero killed the series was when all that autismal bitching over one game got destroyed.
No, that's your experience, which is anecdote, which is disregarded with a laugh. People have been bitching about Adventures since it came out, it's not sudden cuz Zero was a blunder. How insane and delusional are you, honestly, please let me know what meds you're on.

>What i'm saying is you have no valid argument at this point because it was said that it wasnt Adventures that did anything but more so the series itself was screwed when certain people got this retarded idea that the series had to be what they perceived it as, when it was clear it was meant to be an open world game. Assault was pretty damn close to that as Adventures was.
What did he mean by this?

>As anon even told you, you would've still bitched over Assault anyway
Bro why are you only reading one side of the discussion, I clearly said I would have bitched over it, not just cuz Krystal, there are way more issues with that game.

Seriously, all hyperbole aside, SF Adventures was decently fun, as a game, not a Star Fox game. But you can't seriously ignore the waves of criticism it has had for fucking years before Zero even existed.

How old are you, honestly? If you're underage feel free to decline letting me know but, you either weren't coherent for it, or you just were under a big fucking rock.

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>>7152125
This is what happens when safe space fag(s) leave their environment. I enjoy watching clowns like this trip over their own arguments. Pointing out their flaws is cake. Sometimes they bring up good points, but it's heavily outweighed by their stupidity on other topics.

>>7154332
I like how you remain as vague as possible about who's points are the flawed ones lol.

I accept you aren't able to step into the arena anymore.

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>yfw you arent the anon who goes out of his way to look for these threads just to bitch about one game

>>7154802
I know, people who bash on Zero constantly are cancer.

Like, we get it, it's bad.

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>>7154829

Oh sorry, let me rephrase that

>yfw you arent the anon who goes out of his way to find these threads only to spend literally all night just to bitch in autism over a game he somehow still believes was the downfall, only to backpedal when everyone gives him counter arguments he cant even respond to

It's sadder when you even admit you're doing this for fun.

>>7154902
>yfw you arent the anon who goes out of his way to pretend something posted in this thread invalidates the fact the series has been dwindling since adventures came out and does everything in his power to cover his eyes and shitpost about everyone else being oh so wrong

Hey, at least it's better than you!

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>>7154932

Oh, so it pisses you off knowing people like what you dont like, twice as much when you cant believe your argument is invalid. Good to know.

>>7155004
Not sure how you derived that, sounds like you're projecting harder than you were before.

People are allowed to like whatever they want, I have guilty pleasures and so does everything else.

But claiming history is wrong, when it's blatantly in front of you, when the criticisms got heavy after Adventures, when it's been going on forever before Zero, only now acting like it's dying because Zero was shit, is just insanity.

Pull your head out of your ass pl0x you're too drunk to post.

>>7155042

>It's somehow ok to bring up invalid info even though its over 10 years old
>But it's not ok to bring up shit like the infamous Donkey Kong Country quote that's also over 10 years old

The fact you repeat the same thing every thread is enough reason to say you're autistic. You claim to want a civil discussion, but you end up going into a fit the second anyone questions you.

I just wanted porn

I just wanted porn...

>>7155152
>It's somehow ok to bring up invalid info even though its over 10 years old
>But it's not ok to bring up shit like the infamous Donkey Kong Country quote that's also over 10 years old

What did he mean by this?

>You claim to want a civil discussion, but you end up going into a fit the second anyone questions you.
I'm fine with civil discussion, but you haven't read anything I wrote, at all. Again, this is I believe the 4th time I've said it just in this thread, I'm being hyperbolic. Krystal isn't the only thing wrong with the series, the switch from DP to SFAd and the subsequent additions along that timeline were cause for decline. But you need to admit the decline has been going on since then. You can't bury your head in the sand and pretend Adventures didn't get a mixed as fuck response from the fan base.

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Adventures was shit
Assault was a disappointment
Command was shit
Zero was a disappointment

>>7155547
I'd say that Adventures was a dissappointment honestly. Mechanically, it's 3D Zelda. Nothin wrong with that. Loved the visuals, loved the music, but fuck was it disappointing what happened to Dinosaur Planet, and getting a sub par fox game.

Assault was definitely disappointing.

Command was complete shit.

Zero was complete shit.

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>>7146749
Agreeing with >>7150615 not for any character reason but just for wanting to see more porn.

Speaking of which, anyone else have any ideas/request for Star Fox greentexts/fapfics?

>>7157723
Something with Panther because he needs more love.

Either with Krystal or even with Fox.

>>7158533
Or both.

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>>7158545
>>7158533
Wish I had good panther stuff for the bump

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>>7157723

Someone really liked this, perhaps something to follow up on it.

>>7152825
>Did well as in, well regarded.
But it's not a good movie. Funny you mention it though since it tried to rehash A New Hope to pander to OTfags.

>How are you this mentally fucked to be unable to comprehend that?
How are you this mentally fucked to be unable to comprehend that Zero was aimed at 64fags?

>Like seriously, you're such a butthurt little baby that people point out the flaws of adventures and assault that you create this insane narrative in your head that SF64 fans ruined something.
Nice narrative faggot. I criticised Adventures in this very thread. Sorry you can't accept the franchise is held hostage by SF64fags though.

>>7153194
>What i'm saying is you have no valid argument at this point because it was said that it wasnt Adventures that did anything but more so the series itself was screwed when certain people got this retarded idea that the series had to be what they perceived it as, when it was clear it was meant to be an open world game.
You're an idiot. Adventures was a retarded direction for Star Fox to go in. Especially when the Star Fox elements were shoehorned in.

Don't you even pretend it's comparable to Sunshine and Wind Waker.

>>7161600
>But it's not a good movie. Funny you mention it though since it tried to rehash A New Hope to pander to OTfags.
It's another safe movie. Again, no ones going to bank on very specific fans, they need it to appeal to everyone, and the originals did a good job at it, so they tried for it again.

And again, like Zero, it shits on the actual fandom.

Both adventures, and force awakens, have good reviews, beneath which exists a fandom that's very mixed about it. I'd call adventures a good game, but not a good star fox game. I'd call force awakens a good movie, but not a good star wars movie.

They use what appealed to lots of people before the fandoms even existed, that's why it isn't fan service.

>Nice narrative faggot. I criticised Adventures in this very thread. Sorry you can't accept the franchise is held hostage by SF64fags though.
Oh really? Let me know your criticisms of adventures, I don't know who you are at this point lol. There were like 5 people buttmad defending Adventures and saying Zero was the downfall of the series.

Which is fucking retarded. I do like that you still are so raged out at people who enjoy 64 that you actually believe it's some conspiracy and not devs trying to play it safe.

>>7161864
>I'd call force awakens a good movie
>Mary Sue protagonist who can't act
>wimpy pasty fanboy as a villain
>Finn has no remorse killing people he grew up with that had no choice to be in the same situation he was in, even though he freaked out at the village attack when another stormtrooper died in front of him
It was mediocre even on its own merits.

>They use what appealed to lots of people before the fandoms even existed, that's why it isn't fan service.
No, you're retarded. If they were doing what you claimed they wouldn't have retread 64. They would have had a different plot that moves things forward or in a different direction instead retelling 64.

>Oh really? Let me know your criticisms of adventures, I don't know who you are at this point lol
Oh, that was in the last thread. https://desuarchive.org/trash/thread/6998713/#7016966 https://desuarchive.org/trash/thread/6998713/#7017401

Convenient too, since in that first post I establish both Adventures and Zero as bad Star Fox games.

>>7162296
>Mary Sue protagonist who can't act
The reason she's a mary sue is because the context of the series. Again, I'm saying standing alone, if Adventures had star fox stripped out, and you look at the force awakens as a space action adventure flick.

Yeah she'd still definitely have a lot handed to her, but no more than any other action hero.

>wimpy pasty fanboy as a villain
Well that's just subjective, not saying he's a beacon of character and good writing, but the way you framed it was truly an example of your taste.

For what it's worth, I agree, but I think objectively speaking there would be better examples to bring up.

>No, you're retarded. If they were doing what you claimed they wouldn't have retread 64
Yeah, you're right. Why would a company in the business of making money be interested in doing another rehash of a game that was quite successful. Ironically your weak link is that 64 is in fact, a rehash of the original Star Fox. Star Fox has always played it safe, they aren't going to make such financial decisions for a small vocal fandom, they're trying to reuse the formula again and again, because it worked before.

It's not werkin now. Doesn't help the game is shit besides that.

I agree with your point that Adventures and Zero are both bad Star Fox games. Tho Adventures is more a bad star fox game, and decent game in general. Definitely a bummer that it had to switch from DP.

All that said, I'm legit curious, what DO you like lol. You say adventures is bad, I'm assuming that carries into the flaws of assault. You seem to hate 64, no one liked command or zero. Are you a genwunner? Are you mad that Star Fox 2 got the cancel?

Seriously look at it from my perspective, and try to put yourself in the shoes of an executive. You don't just say "hey lets make another star fox game for a tiny fan base."

You just don't, it may be an influence, but you don't make a game for that. You cast a net, you look back, which net brought in the biggest catch.

Its sad knowing this anon is pissed off people like Adventures over some literal who game that would've been dead. I don't even think he thought of that either especially after the recent cancellation of a Platinum title being made for XBO

>Adventures can get remade, and Koei is perfect for it
>Dinosaur Planet would've been killed off because Microsoft and Rare being total shit

>>7162620
>The reason she's a mary sue is because the context of the series.
Damage control to the max. She knows everything about a ship she's never piloted before and somehow is good at using a light saber she's never picked up before and knows how to do Jedi Mind tricks even though she was never told about them and only just learnt the about force being real.

>but the way you framed it was truly an example of your taste.
You can't seriously say he can be taken seriously as a villain when he takes that helmet off or has his little temper tantrums.

>Why would a company in the business of making money be interested in doing another rehash of a game that was quite successful.
So why isn't every 2D Mario a rehash of Super Mario Bros. 3 and why isn't every 3D Mario a rehash of Super Mario 64? Why isn't every Zelda a rehash of Ocarina of Time? Just admit it Zero was the way it was for pandering to the eternal whiners who won't shut up about 64.

>Ironically your weak link is that 64 is in fact, a rehash of the original Star Fox.
It expanded on it. It covered new ground. What did Zero add that was actually new? The Gyrowing which no-one likes and is made redundant when the walker gains hacking capabilities?

>Star Fox has always played it safe
Assault and Command weren't safe. There are 64fags to this day hoping that the series never tries on-foot levels ever again.

>>7162620
>>7163188
>All that said, I'm legit curious, what DO you like lol. You say adventures is bad, I'm assuming that carries into the flaws of assault. You seem to hate 64, no one liked command or zero. Are you a genwunner? Are you mad that Star Fox 2 got the cancel?
I'm not a Star Fox fan, I just find it interesting to talk about the direction the series could go and hate how they instead want to pander to nostalgiatards who won't let it evolve. The only games I've played are Zero and Guard, which were for review purposes. Adventures is bad and would have been better if it remained as Dinosaur Planet. Not only because of no Star Fox in it, but because it wouldn't have lead to stuff like the shoehorned arwing segments, the lame Saurian language, Krystal being turned from a fully-fledged character into fapbait and General Scales being killed off unceremoniously without a fight to make way for Andross.
>I'm assuming that carries into the flaws of assault.
What? Assault was the right direction for the series to head in, it just need more-polished ground mechanics and and a more-even ratio of arwing to on-foot missions.
>You seem to hate 64, no one liked command or zero.
No, I hate how it's obnoxious fanboys control the franchise. They get pandered to and it ruins everything. The series is dead as long as the devs listen to them.
>Are you mad that Star Fox 2 got the cancel?
Not mad, but it is truly a shame. Not only did it actually help the formula evolve and introduced new characters, but had it been released, the series might not have been stuck in the rut it is today.

>Seriously look at it from my perspective, and try to put yourself in the shoes of an executive. You don't just say "hey lets make another star fox game for a tiny fan base."
You don't just say "Hey, let's rehash some old game nostalgiafags won't get over instead of letting the series evolve and gain new fans" either.

>>7163133
You gotta learn to use some punctuation man, that was a rough read.

Can you cite your source that shows that Adventures was going to be such a failure? I mean given Rares track record and all.

I don't know why people think Rare was "shit" at the time, it was transitioning definitely, but hunks of the old team were there. Furthermore Microsoft had nothing to do with DP.

ALSO, I never really claimed it would be amazing. I want to convey that, as a consumer, I wanted to see a new, unique piece of Rare content. The content I got, was damn fine honestly, again I want to make clear the mechanics, the music, the visuals, all were beautiful. I could feel it, what the game was meant to be, but that feeling was smashed every time I was reminded it was a Star Fox game.

It just doesn't fit in the universe, and it really never was meant to.

>>7163133
>Adventures can get remade, and Koei is perfect for it
There is no point in remaking it unless it ditches Star Fox.
>Dinosaur Planet would've been killed off because Microsoft and Rare being total shit
And? It would have been it's own thing and not some ill-advised game in a series it doesn't belong in.

>>7163188
>Damage control to the max. She knows everything about a ship she's never piloted before and somehow is good at using a light saber she's never picked up before and knows how to do Jedi Mind tricks even though she was never told about them and only just learnt the about force being real.
How is it damage control when I didn't like the movie? I'm not defending it, I'm saying it is what it is. She's a mary sue because relatively speaking, it's absurd for her to have these abilities.

Look at some other generic action hero, why aren't they all regarded as mary sues? Arnold has mowed down so many people in his movie days yet people just see it for what it is, generic action.

That's what this movie should have been, not star wars, just some generic movie. It's not good, but I certainly don't find it offensive when you strip away the others and observe it as a singular entity.

>You can't seriously say he can be taken seriously as a villain when he takes that helmet off or has his little temper tantrums.
It's a matter of taste, some people find it badass. I don't.

>So why isn't every 2D Mario a rehash of Super Mario Bros. 3 and why isn't every 3D Mario a rehash of Super Mario 64? Why isn't every Zelda a rehash of Ocarina of Time? Just admit it Zero was the way it was for pandering to the eternal whiners who won't shut up about 64.
Because those games haven't struggled as hard as Star Fox has since Adventures. They're also either, much simpler in the case of mario, or much more malleable in the case of zelda. Also, what are you on about, mario is still about breaking blocks and zelda is still about defeating ganon. The latter so much so that again, fans started complaining.

>It expanded on it. It covered new ground.
Actually it ripped ideas from Star Fox 2 and used those. Not saying it was a bad choice, in the long run I prefer it over Star Fox 2, but cmon, it wasn't a new entity.

>>7163188
>Assault and Command weren't safe.
Assault absolutely was an attempt to appeal to both camps. Again, casting that net. Keep the story and characters, return some flying portions, and have a generic story with very subdued characters, with a safe enemy, and safe antiheroes, and safe dialogue, and everything is just meh about it. Command wasn't safe because handheld syndrome.

>>7163234
>I'm not a Star Fox fan, I just find it interesting to talk about the direction the series could go and hate how they instead want to pander to nostalgiatards who won't let it evolve. The only games I've played are Zero and Guard, which were for review purposes. Adventures is bad and would have been better if it remained as Dinosaur Planet. Not only because of no Star Fox in it, but because it wouldn't have lead to stuff like the shoehorned arwing segments, the lame Saurian language, Krystal being turned from a fully-fledged character into fapbait and General Scales being killed off unceremoniously without a fight to make way for Andross.
Well first off, never playing anything but zero and guard is pretty...shit. I mean, I'm not one for saying anecdote has value, but you honestly need to pick everything up and get a feel for it, unbiased, before making calls on things.

I agree with your sentiments on adventures completely.

>What? Assault was the right direction for the series to head in, it just need more-polished ground mechanics and and a more-even ratio of arwing to on-foot missions.
And, you know, some more edge. Not to confuse edge with edgy mind you, but the game was so subdued it hurt.

>No, I hate how it's obnoxious fanboys control the franchise.
Cite your source or never state this nonsense again.

>the devs listen to them.
Cite your source or never state this nonsense again.

>>7163234
>Not mad, but it is truly a shame. Not only did it actually help the formula evolve and introduced new characters, but had it been released, the series might not have been stuck in the rut it is today.
That's a bit too far in speculation for me to assume. Between SF2 and SF64, 64 was the better game, but what was lost in 2 was yes, a shame. I love both, but I have to concede giving up 2 was the right decision for the time it had to be called in.

>You don't just say "Hey, let's rehash some old game nostalgiafags won't get over instead of letting the series evolve and gain new fans" either.
Righhht. Not like we are currently knee deep in an era of remakes right now.

>>7101772

Artist? I like seeing Krystal with big hair

>>7163358
>Look at some other generic action hero, why aren't they all regarded as mary sues? >Arnold has mowed down so many people in his movie days yet people just see it for what it is, generic action.
Besides the point of faction movies being one character kicking a lot of ass, half the time the character had some sort of training. Rambo was a war veteran for example.

>Because those games haven't struggled as hard as Star Fox has since Adventures. They're also either, much simpler in the case of mario, or much more malleable in the case of zelda.
This is a pretty retarded way of dancing around that Star Fox Zero wasn't a 64 rehash for making more people buy it.

>Also, what are you on about, mario is still about breaking blocks and zelda is still about defeating ganon. The latter so much so that again, fans started complaining.
Most Mario platformers except for the NSMB games (which people complain about) are different from each other. They haven't ever gone back and tried to make a Super Mario Bros. 3 rehash with all the old power-ups, worlds and plot (return the seven kings to normal). Zelda is pretty different each game with a few exceptions. There's plenty of games where Ganondorf isn't even the villain (Link's Awakening, Majora's Mask, Minish Cap, Phantom Hourglass, Spirit Tracks, Skyward Sword) and the latest game is offering the biggest shake-up of the formula so far.

>Actually it ripped ideas from Star Fox 2 and used those.
And SF2 wasn't released, so it did cover new ground. Even if SF2 did release the two games would offer a different experience. Star Fox 2 would introduce the walker and have strategy elements instead of being a linear level path, and Star Fox 64 would expand on the original's mechanics and introduce different vehicles, more fleshed out visuals and the series memorable and quotable voice acting.

>>7165416
>Besides the point of faction movies being one character kicking a lot of ass, half the time the character had some sort of training. Rambo was a war veteran for example.
Decent point, but not everyone is like that, the black dude from Collateral killing a hardened assassin is unlikely.

My point again is, in star wars it stands out because of everyone else around and the context of the movies. It's more pronounced.

>This is a pretty retarded way of dancing around that Star Fox Zero wasn't a 64 rehash for making more people buy it.
What?

>Most Mario platformers except for the NSMB games
A lot of the games you listed zelda wise are handhelds, which again is risk territory because potential losses won't be as large as a main console game. Again, as stated before, those games haven't been struggling. They're thriving, you have more freedom to do things, Star Fox was never established like Mario or Zelda was.

>And SF2 wasn't released, so it did cover new ground.
And Zero covered new ground and failed.

Seriously you can't say 64 covered new ground when it's a remake with some more content, and then say Zero covered no new ground when it's a remake with some more content.

As for wanting SF2 to be released, sure I would want it too, however given the marketing, the life of the SNES, etc, I can see why they made the switch. There's a lot of speculation it was in bad blood, but I'd need proof of it.

>>7163456
>Assault absolutely was an attempt to appeal to both camps.
Having on-foot missions doesn't mean it's appealing to Adventures fans when the gameplay is completely different. Third Person Shooter instead of Action-Adventure.

>return some flying portions
Almost as if that's the main aspect of the series...

>Command wasn't safe because handheld syndrome.
Command wasn't safe because of the retarded story and turn-based aspects of gameplay.

>Well first off, never playing anything but zero and guard is pretty...shit. I mean, I'm not one for saying anecdote has value, but you honestly need to pick everything up and get a feel for it, unbiased, before making calls on things.
Me having not played 64 doesn't change the fact that Zero was pandering to 64 fans.

>And, you know, some more edge. Not to confuse edge with edgy mind you, but the game was so subdued it hurt.
What. Did you miss the whole assimilating species trying to convert all life in the galaxy into mindless robots of the hive mind? Did you forgot what happened to Pigma?

>Cite your source or never state this nonsense again.
Zero, you dense faggot.

>>7163514
>I love both, but I have to concede giving up 2 was the right decision for the time it had to be called in.
How was it right. You know Miyamoto basically sabotaged SF2 so it couldn't show up his own project, right? Also, the excuse that 64 wouldn't have sold as well if SF2 was released is bullcrap because Star Fox 64 came out in 1997 and Star Fox 2 was supposed to release in 1995.

>Righhht. Not like we are currently knee deep in an era of remakes right now.
Just people are doing it doesn't mean it's a good thing. Most of these movie remakes are hated.

>>7165506
>Having on-foot missions doesn't mean it's appealing to Adventures fans when the gameplay is completely different. Third Person Shooter instead of Action-Adventure.
It wasn't the on foot portions that were trying to appeal to the adventures crowd.

>Almost as if that's the main aspect of the series...
Yes...and? I said it's casting the net.

>Command wasn't safe because of the retarded story and turn-based aspects of gameplay.
I think you misunderstood I'm saying it was free to do all kinds of weird shit because handhelds are safer to take risks on.

>Me having not played 64 doesn't change the fact that Zero was pandering to 64 fans.
You not playing any game but zero and guard changes the fact you probably have no idea where the differences are between zero and 64, and why zero isn't pandering to 64 fans.

>What. Did you miss the whole assimilating species trying to convert all life in the galaxy into mindless robots of the hive mind? Did you forgot what happened to Pigma?
No, I was quite aware of the safe threat. Go meta with me please, I'm saying the antagonist went from an enemy that had fears and were just generally people, who screamed as they died, to a generic hivemind. Wolf and crew were fucked, hard, and turned into typical jap antiheroes despite a deep history of bloodshed between them and fox. Everything felt so boring, nothing felt at stake, they had to add peppy almost dying and an attack on Sauria to try to create some kind of sense of urgency.

>Zero, you dense faggot.
So you have no source, you're just pretending your perception is reality. Cool, never state that nonsense again.

>>7165484
>A lot of the games you listed zelda wise are handhelds, which again is risk territory because potential losses won't be as large as a main console game.
Majora's Mask and Wind Waker were pretty different from Ocarina of Time, and Skyward Sword did some stuff different too. Twilight Princess was the one trying to recapture the Ocarina of Time fans, and even that game still tried new things with story and gameplay. To pretend it has pulled a Zero is nonsense.

Even A Link Between Worlds did a lot different from A Link to the Past, particularly the rental system and no set dungeon order. Also the main villain, who uses Ganon for his own ends rather than the other way around.

>And Zero covered new ground and failed.
What new ground. The Walker was from Star Fox 2, and I really wouldn't call a gimmicky control scheme new ground. So what did Zero do new? A vehicle used in only one and a half levels that no-one likes?

>Seriously you can't say 64 covered new ground when it's a remake with some more content, and then say Zero covered no new ground when it's a remake with some more content.
Star Fox 64 wasn't trying to rehash the SNES game, but innovate on it by making it a tighter, more-fleshed out experience. Zero actually has LESS content than 64.

>There's a lot of speculation it was in bad blood, but I'd need proof of it.
https://youtu.be/v9GpCCZ6NAE?t=4m36s
I think you can trust the word of the series' co-creator Dylan Cuthbert.

>>7165506
>How was it right. You know Miyamoto basically sabotaged SF2 so it couldn't show up his own project, right?
Watched the larry bundy shit huh? Gib source.

>Also, the excuse that 64 wouldn't have sold as well if SF2 was released is bullcrap because Star Fox 64 came out in 1997 and Star Fox 2 was supposed to release in 1995.
Games take a while to make, and no the timeframes don't match up perfectly, but if you knew anything about the game industry you'd know you don't want to dump a ton of money into marketing on top of all the material cost of mass production that close to a console switch, unless you intend to use it to fuel said console.

>Just people are doing it doesn't mean it's a good thing. Most of these movie remakes are hated.
And they still made fat cash. Once again, it's not about the fans, it's about the fat cash. Die hard star wars fans don't make Star Wars survive, the established name, and the fact it appeals to so many audiences does.

>>7165615
>Majora's Mask and Wind Waker were pretty different from Ocarina of Time, and Skyward Sword did some stuff different too.
Why did you completely ignore my statement that the games are established and more wiggle room? At least try to pretend you have a response.

>So what did Zero do new?
Content wise, nothing spectacular, same as SF64 using stuff from 1 and 2. That's my entire point, they both weren't some jaw dropping booms of content.

>I think you can trust the word of the series' co-creator Dylan Cuthbert.
No, I can't trust one side of the story from a VERY bitter small game dev with no actual proof these were the reasons he was cut out. Gonna have to do better, also lulz called the larry bundy shit.

>>7165612
>It wasn't the on foot portions that were trying to appeal to the adventures crowd.
What was then?

>Yes...and? I said it's casting the net.
That's pretty retarded to think having the main gameplay of the series present is pandering to 64fags.

>because handhelds are safer to take risks on.
This isn't even true. Look at Federation Force.

>You not playing any game but zero and guard changes the fact you probably have no idea where the differences are between zero and 64, and why zero isn't pandering to 64 fans.
Right, because watching footage and seeing how a crapton of other people have said the same doesn't mean anything because you say so.

>I'm saying the antagonist went from an enemy that had fears and were just generally people, who screamed as they died, to a generic hivemind.
This is some tinfoil-hat level shit right here if you think it was done for being kid-friendly.

>Wolf and crew were fucked, hard, and turned into typical jap antiheroes despite a deep history of bloodshed between them and fox.
Assault Wolf is a way better character than shallow Bond Villain-voice Wolf from 64.

>So you have no source, you're just pretending your perception is reality.
Are you just intentionally being this dense?

>>7165685
>What was then?
Krystal reduced to a shitty love interest. Krystal even coming back honestly. Sauria reunion, le honeymoon cringe, stuff like that. Basically borderline fan service.

>That's pretty retarded to think having the main gameplay of the series present is pandering to 64fags.
What?

>This isn't even true. Look at Federation Force.
I'm saying the losses and gains are going to be both smaller, so people take liberties.

>Right, because watching footage and seeing how a crapton of other people have said the same doesn't mean anything because you say so.
Form an opinion for yourself please, that's my best advice I can offer you. Again, I get it, it's anecdote, but if Larry Bundy is the kind of people you source in your opinions, you need to expand your horizons.

>This is some tinfoil-hat level shit right here if you think it was done for being kid-friendly.
I'm saying it was done for being safe.

>Assault Wolf is a way better character than shallow Bond Villain-voice Wolf from 64.
So you prefer bland, emotionless characters?

>Are you just intentionally being this dense?
Are you still pretending a lack of a source is a source?