First Star Fox thread of 2017 here

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and you start it off with a shit image

good job OP

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>>6998836

This better?

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>Best final fap I had for 2016

>>6999210
I wish there was more Krystal booty pics.

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>>6999832

Gotta look harder. Though I could list those you could pay to do it.

>sssonic2, ass master, unfortunately he's rather pricey
>Hayakain, pic related shows, though for $25 this could be a risk for quality reasons
>Theterriblecon, also an ass master, iirc he's pretty cheap

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>>6999832
Booty pics you say?

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>>7001902

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>>6999832

>>7001685
Very cute. Great butt in this one.

>sssonic2
I still can't believe he hasn't drawn Krystal booty yet.

>>7001902
I've seen this one before. The faces kinda ruin it for me, especially Krystal's, but those are indeed some nice asses.

>>7002771
Don't like the butt shape. Plus the whole ghetto look.

>>7003502
It's a nice butt, shame it's not being viewed from the good side. Face also doesn't look like her.

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Just an average day for Krystal.

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I just wish ppl would stick to the source material when it came to Krystals face

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A classic

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>>7006168
>we'll never see Krystal in the tribal outfit again
Or possibly at all

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>>6999210
>>7001685
>>7001902
>>7002771
Post more.

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>>7006168
>Adventures face
Yuck

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>>7007734
okey

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>>7008531
ywn rest your head on her pillows

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Krystal is the reason I have a rape, slavery, scaly dom mammal sub fetish.

>>7008531
Nice butt

>>6998713
>>6999196
Why is Krystal Dio?

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>>7008566
she will never get her thighs stuck in your shower

>>7008717
>those thighs
Ruined

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>>7008717

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>>7008758

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>>7008761

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>>7007296

>Nintendo asks people to submit their Nintendo themed trees
>Three images contain Star Fox characters while the rest are Mario and Animal Crossing
>Krystal is in all of them

https://miiverse.nintendo.net/posts/AYMHAAADAAB2V0fjwHqoRw

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>>7009131
Interesting. The art in that top middle looks familiar.

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>>7007734
That Notbad guy drew Miyu. Did they do Fay?

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>>7006273
This picture and yours are what turned me into a fucking furry

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>>7006273
Larger resolution

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>>7009493

It's the subtle Pokemon image of Delphoxs based on a Japanese image. I should know because that picture you see is my submission (the bottom right pic is also mine). The print I got from the artist at a convention about two or three years ago.

I could share all the pics I took of my tree, but i'm gonna give it awhile before I do. Probably a few more days, but who knows.


Hopefully this guy shows up at the next con I hit
http://seandonnanart.deviantart.com/art/The-Nine-tailed-Fox-at-the-Changing-Tree-Oji-432454219

>>7008758
Oh yes... just wish there was a version where the left cheek wasn't squished.

>>6998713
Reminder that Starfox Adventures was the worst on the series.

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>>7009968

Debunked entirely. Zero is the worst in the series

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>>7009968

>Still being assblasted over this game 14 years after it came out
>Still being a purefag even after it was proven that 64 and Zero ruined the series
>Zero bombing so hard it put the series in jeopardy as practically everyone and even Nintendo has shown, adding to the latters point
>Add it never even sold more than Command at all
>Even 64 3D did very poorly

If Zero did anything right, it was making autists like you a laughing stock.

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>>7008725
Better?

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>>7009968
command

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>>7008792

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>>7010494

Command was a major fuckup as much as Metroid Other M, but Zero managed to make it look decent in comparison.

>most of the new stuff being produced is still lizard cuck shit

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>>7010611

>sAlty still paying for the same generic image of his OC plowing Krystal in the same way, then leaving the same comment "Very Hot and Sexy" on it or any other image
>Togepi1125 still paying for the same giant ass Fox x Falco shit

If theres anything good about it though,

>Most of the images involving Krystal and the girls are about as standard with some cases of some weird fetish material

>While Fox and the rest of the guys, Falco and Wolf in particular, are almost always in really fucked up situations

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>>7010648
>>7011840


Those images seen off, is like making sweet sundae ramen

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>>7010380
>64 and Zero ruined the series
I wouldn't say 64 ruined the series. Give that reward to Command and Zero.

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>>7012224

On a logical stanndpoint, it was responsible.

>Raised a standard to unfair levels, just like Mario 64 and OoT, if the sequel was not exactly like the game, then it's shit to them. Sunshiine and Wind Waker suffered for this reason. I guess gen 1 counts as well since genwunners still bitch about every new pokemon game
>The second Zero was shown, they claimed this would be the savior of the series, thnis of course backfired hard as nobody liked it
>Pic related happened for the first couple weeks Zero launched, and still does every now and then
>The second Zero was revealed to being a commercial failure, the most notable defenders fucking lost it as everyone laughed so hard
>Despite all evidence showing how bad it failed, they still defend it
>Cody (Codycoyote64) got butthurt and even more butthurt when Jimquisition gave Zero worst game of 2016
>"Fox McCloud", the retard who spent over 300 hours on Zero for a score nobody cares about got incredibly butthurt that he practically e-suicided off miiverse and tried blaming those he hated

What i'm saying is Zero discredited 64

any art of krystal and a daughter like character? or pregnant krystal?
need for the JOI thread

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>>7013630

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>>7013630
>krystal
>with a daughter like character

Anon this is the closest your gonna get

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>>7012554
>"Fox McCloud", the retard who spent over 300 hours on Zero for a score nobody cares about got incredibly butthurt that he practically e-suicided off miiverse and tried blaming those he hated
I've been monitoring that community and thinking of getting Zero. He hasn't quit from what people say. I'll probably end up buying a different game altogether.

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>>7014641
this too I guess

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>>7012554
>Jimquisition gave Zero worst game of 2016

Except he didn't. That honor went to the CoD4 remake, purely for how sleazy Activision was in making it a tie-in for Infinite Warfare. I believe his words were "holding it for ransom."

But yes, Zero was included on his list. And I'd say you're very right in thinking Zero showed the series can't simply rely on 64's pedigree and ever-devolving gimmicks. They really need to decide on a new direction for the series, come up with a fundamental idea of what exactly it is going to be, design-wise, and then put in the effort to see that vision through.

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>>7014651

Zero isnt worth getting, >>7010554 covers all the issues with it.

>mfw Zero did so bad that by what I saw at Gamestop, they must've gotten a ton of returns that they're trying to get rid of the used copies by selling them on clearance
>It isnt even reasonable anyway, it's still like $50

Unless I got it in reverse and they're overstocked as fuck on em

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did somebody say 'togepi1125'?

>>7009544
>>7009550
Dr Comet is still probably my favorite artist with maybe Sindoll getting close.
Comet for nostalgia, Sindoll for hitting my kinks.

>>7010489
Yes. Well, the bottom half anyway.

>>7010380
>Still being a purefag even after it was proven that 64 and Zero ruined the series
64 didn't ruin the series. Rehashing it and pandering to it's fanboys did.

Also Adventures isn't even a Star Fox game and you know it.

>>7012554
>Sunshine and Wind Waker suffered for this reason.
Sunshine was buggy and incomplete. The complaints about FLUDD were dumb, but there's less levels and they used the blue coins to pad out the Shine Sprite count.

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>>7016966

That could be said about Mario 2 and Zelda 2.

>Mario 2 wasnt even a Mario game but a literal sprite hack of another game, though this is ironic because that other game was made by the same guy. What I found out is Mario 2 is a gimped version of the original game
>Zelda 2 was drastically different from the original and suffers for this reason. Like Adventures, it's the blacksheep of the series, not terrible but definitely different

The whole thing about Dinosaur Planet being good on its own is a croc of shit as there's no proof it was going to be good on its own. Lets not forget Rare after being bought out went to shit, so really thinking on it, Dinosaur Planet becoming a Star Fox game prevented it from the fate all of Rares games got. i.e. Dinosaur Planet is the only survivor or Rares shittines because Nintendo owns it now.

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>>7016966

Regardless, it completely blew all those arguments about the "downfall" right the fuck out. Hopefully this means we'll never see another damn remake of 64 again.

I wouldnt care if they did a remake of the original SNES and 2, as a minigame you get in an Assault sequel. You know, like the NES' you get in Animal Crossing, in in New LEafs case, the 3DS and WiiU.

>>7017313
>That could be said about Mario 2 and Zelda 2.
Nope, because Mario 2 still contains Mario elements in gameplay like 2D platforming and getting smaller when you get hurt, and Zelda II was always planned to be a Zelda game.

If Nintendo didn't sabotage Dinosaur Planet there would have never been a game like it in the Star Fox series. When Mario has a spin-off like Mario Kart or the RPGs, they still feel like Mario games because the Mario elements are built into the design and aren't merely window dressing. This game was an original game with Arwing segments shoehorned in to try to justify it being a Star Fox game.

>Dinosaur Planet becoming a Star Fox game prevented it from the fate all of Rares games got. i.e. Dinosaur Planet is the only survivor or Rares shittines because Nintendo owns it now.
It's fate was it became a mediocre game in a franchise it doesn't fir in. Bravo.

>>7017391
>Hopefully this means we'll never see another damn remake of 64 again.
Yeah, I hope so too. The worst part of Zero being a rehash was the fact there was already a Star Fox 64 port on 3DS to appease the fanboys. But nope, they had to pander to them again.

>I wouldnt care if they did a remake of the original SNES and 2
64 was the SNES remake, no need to remake it again. A game that would reboot Star Fox 2 in the same way Star Fox 64 was to the SNES original would be interesting though. Could make it an alternate continuity branching off from 64.

>>7017391
>I wouldnt care if they did a remake of the original SNES and 2

Interesting enough, SF64 is a copy of SF2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9GpCCZ6NAE&feature=youtu.be&t=277

>>7017603
Wow... So it was Miyamoto's fault Star Fox 2 was canned.

>>7014196
>>7014641
>>7014725
>>7017685
hmm, may have to commission some or get lucky with a drawfag then as these where all I found too
thanks

>>7017401

If the whole fitting in matter has to do with the theme and all, you do realize the original game had the exact same kind of shit right? It was also sci-fi, it just happened to have a more primitive look.

What i'm saying is there's no reason to argue that because any stupid shit like magic and the like can fit in sci-fi. There's more to it than just futuristic space shooting.

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>>7017735

The guy who did >>7014196 is pretty cheap. I dont know if you'd want to see more of the four there, but if you asked him to do something involving all four like this it'd run you $50, flat color. I could provide you the other parts I wrote down, but that's entirely up to you.

http://www.furaffinity.net/commissions/wastedtime/

>>7017741
Star Fox is not a fantasy series. Dinosaur Planet is out-of-place.

Would you defend it if they made a Mario game where runs around with a magic melee weapon with a heavy focus on combat and explores dungeons, with the only Mario elements being some of the characters and a couple of shoehorned 2D platforming segments.And then it concludes with the original villain dying before you fight him and Bowser being behind it all?

>>7017810
Is that the fixed version?

>>7018229
>if they made a Mario game
>where runs around with a melee weapon
>with a heavy focus on combat and explores dungeons
>and a couple of shoehorned 2D platforming segments

Congratulations, with the exception of the villain thing you just completely described Paper Mario and Mario RPG.

And if you think the fantastical elements of Dinosaur Planet are somehow "out of place", it just shows that you've never played Star Fox SNES, because there were fucking flying whales in trippy warp spaces in that one.

>>7018414
>Congratulations, with the exception of the villain thing you just completely described Paper Mario and Mario RPG.
Wrong. Mario RPGs (except the original Super Mario RPG, but that's Square's fault), have Mario gameplay and style woven into them. Especially Mario & Luigi which has platforming and is extremely interactive in battles.

Nice try, but Adventures was shoehorned into the franchise and it's obvious. Most of Nintendo's franchises have spin-offs that carry the feel of their series. Star Fox does not.

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>>7018229
>Fantasy elements can't fit in a Sci-Fi setting

This meme really needs to die. Especially in StarFox where fans are thirsty for new material.

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>>7019165

I have no idea why people are so averse to the idea since the Fantasy would only be a fraction compared to the Sci-Fi in Star Fox.

>>7010247
At least it was an attempt at a Star Fox game. SFAd wasn't even an SF game originally lol.

>>7010380
>assblasted
Because I admit it's shit and you can't because your 100% Krystal fetish? Cmon.

>>7010494
Fuck, true, I concede Command was wurst.

>>7019376
>>7019165
I don't think you people understand the fact the reason the fantasy was shit, was because it was forced fantasy. It wasn't some cross where Fox was like, alright nigga lets bust out the ships, the tanks, the guns and fight some evil spirits, it was like here's a staff because that's how the original game was designed to be.

It makes no sense in the context of the SF universe, the "your guns are too stronk" nonsense was nonsense, and weak.

Jon's shit wasn't perfect, but he was right about the idea that it's an entirely different game with SF skins stapled onto it, feels more like a fan mod honestly.

>>7019835

You can argue this logic shit with almost any other Nintendo game.

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>>7019796

Hey I mean it's your opinion, but it's still better than Zero will ever be.

>Krystal boogeyman

Kinda not helping yourself there

>>7019165
>Fantasy elements can't fit in a Sci-Fi setting
Not when it's something like Star Fox where it didn't have magic prior, it can't.

>>7019835
This, pretty much.

>>7020051
I really didn't see much wrong with zero. Do I consider it cannon? Not really, but it wasn't offensive. I value story more than controls, I know the control forcing shit was, well shit, but at least it tried to be another Star Fox game.

As for the Krystal boogeyman comment, I don't really get what you mean, I think you think I dislike it because of Krystal, which shows your lack of understanding of my point.

>>7022166
>I value story more than controls
The story wasn't good either, being an inferior retelling of 64's.

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>>7019796
>Krystal fetish
That's not how it works

>>7023265
The last good Star Fox story was Farewell Beloved Falco.

Everything after is gutter trash.

>>7023265
Don't get me wrong, I'm not sitting here saying Zero is some gem to be exalted, I'm saying it's still better than Adventures lol.

Which shows what I think about Adventures.

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>>7025472
>The last good Star Fox story was Farewell Beloved Falco.
My man!

>>7025543
>I'm saying it's still better than Adventures lol.
That's not saying much. The only game with a worse plot than it is Command.

>>7025543

Except for the part in how Adventures sold far more to the point it got the Players Choice edition. Assault even got it as well. Just saying.

Just realized that neither Command or Zero got it either, shows how badly they fucked up. 64 3D though sold like ass too did get a selects edition, but Nintendo of America is too retarded to release it here. It either shows that;

>They dont give a shit
or
>They know nobody gives a shit

Remember, it was a month after release that OoT3D came out, and it wiped the floor with it.

>>7005927
An average day for Krystal involves more lizard dicks than that.

>>7025975
>getting into the Selects range
>meaning anything when bloody Yoshi's New Island is a Select title

>>7025644
You honestly believe a plot that has nothing to do with Star Fox, retcons the SF teams accomplishments, turns them all into bumbling morons, and has a billion plotholes in it, is better than Zero?

Again, I'm not saying Zero is good or anything, but cmon.

>>7025975
Mechanically SFad is fine, story wise it is not a Star Fox game, from the very original creation to what it became, it simply isn't. Also

>>7026047 that

>>7026099
>You honestly believe a plot that has nothing to do with Star Fox, retcons the SF teams accomplishments, turns them all into bumbling morons, and has a billion plotholes in it, is better than Zero?
I'm not the guy who said it in the first place.

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>>6998713
Imagine if the Star fox franchise, from SNES to Wii U, where females and it was the 'Shantae' of the series? Just imagine the scenario!

>>7026099

Command has;
>Varieties in ships
>Online, even though it was complete shit
>Replayability, even though the plot was shit
>The plot though shit, did try connecting things together, but its true it barely referenced anything from previous titles.
>Adding it was at least something new

Zero has;
>No variety in ships, just a black variant and a le retro ship
>No online but instead a shitty co-op that makes handling everything much worse
>No replayability, >>7010554 covers it (>implying anyone bothered with arcade mode)
>An even shittier plot that's even more fanficcy than Command
>Isnt anything new as it's just Star Fox 64 again but shittier

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>>7026281
The ship would be lesbian furries.

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Can someone tell me what this image is referencing? I want to say Mass Effect, but I've only played the first one so I'm not sure.

>>7027119

All I can think of is the scene in Dust AET. Fidget says the same thing

>>7026430
I think you misunderstand, I'm talking about SFadv, but I think I should clarify my point earlier in less troll mode.

Adventures is a decent game, mechanically. Mechanically it's Zelda, that's fine, it's a good design, the world is fun enough, and I can play the game enjoying it from the standpoint of perhaps, an alternate universe, or a fan mod or something.

So I reiterate, mechanically it's fine, but as a STAR FOX game, it's just the weakest out of all the Star Fox games, because it's not even a fuckin Star Fox game. It's no secret this was never designed for the SF universe, it was it's own standalone that got hijacked. The Arwing portions were forced, short, unfun even from a mechanics standpoint. The plotholes are rampant, all handwaved and moved on from. And yeah, it's jarring, even when I play the game and can enjoy it visually, mechanically, musically, I cringe every time an aspect of the story comes up that could be solved instantly by any aspect of the SF universe.

But it's simply not, it's another game, it doesn't allow it not because of any well planned lore or explanation, but because the game simply wasn't designed for it.

We lost a possible standalone, new IP and gained a rushed version of Dinosaur Planet with Star Fox skins on it.

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>>7027906
>We lost a possible standalone, new IP and gained a rushed version of Dinosaur Planet with Star Fox skins on it.

And this again should not be an issue because.

>No proof the original game would've been good as claimed, it would've just gotten shat on for copying Ocarina of Time
>Someone pointed out Jet Force Gemini was the starting point of Rares downfall
>Donkey Kong 64 was an even bigger hint as everyone as far as I know didnt like this game, they felt it was the weakest in the Donkey Kong series
>Upon Rare being owned by Microsoft, Rare killed off every single game they've made and instead makes garbage kinect games and the like since
>You can argue they brought the Replay Collection to XBO, however I believe that was Microsoft making them do this because;
>Years before this, fans asked Rare to make HD remakes of games like Banjo, Conker, etc. Their CEO told them all to fuck off because he stated they arent worth bringing back. Granted Banjo was brought to XBLA, it was an HD port
>Nuts & Bolts, a game many despise and claimed ended Banjos life
>Young Conker, some dumbfuck VR "game" nobody asked for, yet Rare had the fucking gull to act like they did. see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQeOYi3Be5Y
>Add that they beat their dead corpses even further by making em cosmetic DLC for some mobile freemium game
>Cockblocked fans of Conker by having him show up for no reason during the end portion of a trailer, which lead to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1t_Co0gfj18 (iirc he legitimately is a fan of conker)
>Rares bullshit caused practically all their old staff to leave and form Playtonic

Other shit

>Rares cringey gameplay trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQlsN6EO2oU

Long story short, be thankful you even got the game. At least it can get remade, because Rare sure as hell wouldnt of if it wasnt turned into a Star Fox game

>>7028332
>No proof the original game would've been good as claimed, it would've just gotten shat on for copying Ocarina of Time
Speculation, disregarded. However, the fact you think there shouldn't have been a chance at a new thing to enter the arena shows me you're a tad short sighted and probably not actually interested in game design.

>Someone pointed out Jet Force Gemini was the starting point of Rares downfall
Weaselwords, disregarded.

>Donkey Kong 64 was an even bigger hint as everyone as far as I know didnt like this game
Anecdote, disregarded

"The game received "universal acclaim", according to video game review aggregator Metacritic.[37] It was Nintendo's top seller for the console during the 1999 holiday season, as Nintendo fought off the new Sega Dreamcast console.[42] As a bestseller, it joined Nintendo's "Player's Choice" game selection, where continued to sell well through the next year's holiday season.[43] By 2004, Donkey Kong 64 had sold over 2.3 million units.[44] It won the 1999 E3 Game Critics award for Best Platform Game,[13] and several annual awards from Nintendo Power, including best overall game of 1999.[40][41] It was additionally nominated for Game of the Year and Console Game of the Year in the Academy of Interactive Arts & Sciences' 2000 Interactive Achievement Awards.[45] GamePro named the game an "Editor's Choice".[9] IGN described Donkey Kong 64 as the biggest and most ambitious title on the Nintendo 64 as of its release, but very similar to Banjo-Kazooie in its platforming and puzzle design.[6] Similarities between the two games and their themes was a common refrain among reviewers.[2][10]"

>Upon Rare being owned by Microsoft, Rare killed off every single game they've made and instead makes garbage kinect games and the like since
And? They were still with Nintendo when SFad came out.

Everything else is again, me gonna ask, and?

Telling me to be thankful for a half assed starfox reskin on dinosaur planet is just silly.

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>>7028638

Sounds like you have a grudge over something that happened 14 years ago. You're kinda proving the point in how ignorant you're being about it despite being told how it was beneficial in the end.

The emphasis of the matter is, it survived Rares shit because it would've been as dead as the rest if it stayed the way it was.

>>7028957
>has a grudge
>for pointing out it is a bad SF game
>even after saying mechanically its fine
What's with your selective reading? Sounds like you're buttmad someone pointed out how flawed your waifu housing game is.

What a weird fellow you are lol.

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>>7028999

>Disregarding everything about why it wasnt terribly bad what it is based on it not being what you hoped for
>Still complains over Adventures to this day

Then again from how you mentioned mechanics, i'm beginning to think you're that guy i've heard of because someone mentioned he's incredibly autistic about mechanics.

>>7029224
You're not even really writing coherently at this point, not a native English speaker or just upset?

>>7028999

Not him, but you're the one still bitching over Dinosaur Planet being turned into Star Fox. The fact of the matter is nobody gives a shit but you.

>>7027906
This. I don't understand why people defend Adventures as a Star Fox game when it was an original IP ruined by being shoehorned into the Star Fox franchise.

>>7028332
>No proof the original game would've been good as claimed, it would've just gotten shat on for copying Ocarina of Time
>I'd rather a bad Star Fox game than a bad standalone game that won't taint any other franchise
You're that faggot from /furry/ who kept trying to say it was okay for Dinosaur Planet to became a Star Fox game because "it was never gonna be good", aren't you?

>Someone pointed out Jet Force Gemini was the starting point of Rares downfall
This amazing someone needs to show us his inredible position in the games industry... oh wait.

>At least it can get remade
As a Star Fox game, and one that won't change anything besides the visuals and some tiny, minor improvements.

>Upon Rare being owned by Microsoft, Rare killed off every single game they've made and instead makes garbage kinect games and the like since
>implying that isn't Microsoft's fault

>>7028370
Artist? I swear her face looks similar to a webcomic's artstyle.

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>>7034920

>Blames Microsoft for Rare being shit
>Implying it wasnt entirely their own fault for being bitter faggots
>Microsoft tried to sell Rare to Nintendo, but Rare refused to allow it and stuck with Microsoft
>Something that was mentioned, Rare completely refuses to acknowledge any handheld game they made, they even hate the department at their company that made them.
>Microsoft intends on reviving old Rare titles, whereas Rare themselves refused to and probably still do.

Im not saying Microsoft is perfect, but you can tell there's a black and white situation going on.

>Microsoft actually responds to their consumers
>Rare evades all questions and instead shills their games instead, the way they respond comes off as both bitter and passive

>>7029603
>The fact of the matter is nobody gives a shit but you.
O-oh.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LPQ6nT4UpA

Quite the like bar! Quite the views! Or, you can ask any Rare employee that had their game ripped out from under them.

Why does everyone on 4chax believe that someone criticizing what they like is someone bitching lol. It's just an SJW tier way of trying to dismiss someone.

>>7034759
I don't either, again I can appreciate the game for what it is in the visuals, the music, mechanics etc. It's like you can ALMOST see what dinosaur planet would have been when you're traversing some vast icy area at night with the pensive music going.

Just sucks when that immersion is broken by a floating General Pepper head acting like an idiot, Fox acting like an idiot, Krystal reduced to no character other than furporn icon, mismatched view acting, so on so forth.

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>>7036821

>Jontron
>There are people who think his videos are serious

Yeah, how about you go back to miiverse where you belong.

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Can we all at least agree that it sucks that nobody gets Krystal's personality right in fan stuff?

Granted she didn't have enough time to get a character in Adventures, but her personality in Assault/Command is solid. She's got that Jedi shit going on, british and otherworldy empath with mystical powers, a little aloof normally but extremely passionate about certain things (Fox, Sauria, etc)

Heck her one staple of the games is that she can read people's minds and sense what people are about to do - hence why she needs help the least times out of anyone in Assault. Yet... nobody fucking uses this in porn, when it's probably the most important part of her character.

Imagine her doing this to Fox while reading his mind, and experiencing for herself just how much she's turning him on.

>>7037022
It's obviously an example proving you wrong in the area of "ur da only on who cares."

You have no effective rebuttal though, so I accept your defeat, my only advice from here on in is, don't worry, when people point out the flaws in what you like they aren't attacking you, they're just pointing out obvious glaring flaws.

Cheers mate.

>>7037132
>personality in assault is solid
>everything about me is a fox love interest with barely any character
uh...well if you think that's solid I guess.

I like that you think "jedi shit" and "british" is personality lol.

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>>7037158

>Implying i'm the anon who said that

The fact you're that retarded enough to actually take an actors video seriously is enough reason to laugh at you.

>>7037255
>actor
lol kay buddy, you're trying way too hard to be le ex dee hero.

You'll learn.

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>>7036821
This guy started a bandwagon of idiots towards that game. I wonder if he's following the negative media of SFZ.

>>7037184
It's fucking Star Fox, anon. Falco's personality is "Cocky." Peppy's personality is "Old." Slippy's personality is "Inept/Childish."

Krystal displays more than one emotion and actually has opinions on a few things, and that alone makes her a deeper character than Falco, Peppy or Slippy. Granted, deeper as in 2 inches of water instead of 1, as star fox has a VERY low bar for character depth, but still...

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>>7037312

>J-Jontron isnt an actor!! H-He's a critic!!

Oh do explain me all those skits and shit people like to make reaction videos out of? I knew you were retarded, but I didnt think you'd have your head that far up your ass.

>>7037335

A good portion have, but I doubt he'd bother with it since nobody cared about Zero. It did fail after all.

>>7037373

Zero actually made everyone bland that it destroys all argument of "muh personalities" entirely. In fact anons post here >>7010554
explains it, but I know what you're saying. It was bland anyway, but good god I love how stupid people get about it. Just shows what Nostalgiafaggotry does to dumb shits.

>>7037450
Oh pls, this is the weakest argument ever in existence. Claiming his opinions have no reflection on the content he puts out is just, true autism. Furthermore people agreed with it, get over it, your statement was wrong. I've never seen anyone but a Hillary supporter get this sjw denial of logic tier kek.

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Love how they barely even tried with this display

>>7037450
Still though, why doesn't anyone remember her psychic powers in fan shit?

Like, does anyone think that Krystal's depiction in "Legend of Jenny and Renamon" and shit is anywhere near how her personality is supposed to go?

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>>6998713
>tfw given up on the idea of a quality starfox vidya
>want a starfox anime
>tfw it's nintendo so it's still might be shit
>tfw implying it actually happens and it's actually bad, krystal and SFA will be blamed for it.

I just want good things to happen for once

>>7035378
>Blames Microsoft for Rare being shit
>Rare makes good games at Nintendo
>Rare makes bad games at Microsoft
>lol Microsoft is innocent!

Microsoft isn't an IP-friendly company. They only care about Halo, Gears and Forza.

>>7036821
>Krystal reduced to no character other than furporn icon
Yeah, that's another major thing turning Dinosaur Planet into a Star Fox game ruined. I mean, yeah I've fapped to Krystal, but doesn't mean what they did to her was right.

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>>7037658
>people agreed with it,

Parroting quotes doesnt mean jack shit. Another guy talked about this game more rationally and nearly every response he got was the same buzzword that came from that other video from years ago.

>>7037708

They cant blame those two anymore because Zero bombed so hard. Remember, people seriously thought this was gonna be GOTY, but it only helped those sequels they bitched about. Hell anon >>7017391 already explained it

>>7037850
>They cant blame those two anymore because Zero bombed so hard
Kek, you honestly think people aren't allowed to see the flaws in your waifu games because another did bad? What the fuk. You are like, a gem of autism that's fascinating to behold.

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>>7037659

I've been making a series of shorts utilizing her ability to help someone, it's pretty bad in how I wrote it but it's something.

>>7037850
>Parroting quotes doesnt mean jack shit.
lol that denial

>>7037740
>Yeah, that's another major thing turning Dinosaur Planet into a Star Fox game ruined. I mean, yeah I've fapped to Krystal, but doesn't mean what they did to her was right.

Yeah, I have a love hate relationship with her. I mean I like some of her art, and fap away, but as a character she was just ruined. She really deserved better than to be locked into a crystal for 95% of the game to randomly deliver some exposition on the mechanics, floating head style.

Also just for Fox to have an over the top lust scene for lol.

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>>7037922

>Being this butthurt your favorite game is shit that it completely destroyed all those arguments in the process, while also putting the series in critical condition.

You can like Zero all you want, but no matter how hard you try it wont change the fact it's the worst game in the entire series compared to the others you despise. Course since you're autisic you wouldn't be able to understand that anyway and instead will respond the same way you always do.

I'm not sure what's worse: The people who defend the crappy Star Fox 64 rehash or the people who defend the crappy shoehorned game.

>>7038017
What is this false dichotomy shit lol. I don't like Zero, why do you keep assuming anyone likes Zero because they also criticism adventures and assault?

I agree, Zero isn't good, I never disagreed, why are YOU so autistic you can't comprehend that kek.

I know you're stupid but at least try.

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>>7038044

I've witnessed a few of these threads, this is the same retard that shits on anyone if you respond to him, even going far to backpedaling to "win" his arguments. His excessive use of lol is a clear giveaway.

It's almost why there's almost never any civil threads, it just shows how autistic the fanbase is or rather its showing it to be as such.

Worse thing is i've researched this goddamn fanbase for awhile. It's both funny and yet to sad to see how much of a mess it is.

>>7019835
Jon?

>>7038254
I wish, then I'd have more money.

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>>7037450
>JonTron doesn't hate Adventures, he was merely pretending because the video has comedy in it

>>7038373

Not him, but it is pretty stupid to base your info on his video. I say this because I saw some idiot try using this elsewhere, only to get slammed soon after. Opinions are subjective, not facts. Jontrons videos are practically on par of that of James'. They may be funny yes, but they're not to be taken that seriously. The problem is there are people who do.

>>7038450
>I say this because I saw some idiot try using this elsewhere, only to get slammed soon after.
Actually, it's REAL stupid to base your perceptions on anecdotes. Like really, who cares about your experience or weasel words?

I say some idiot trying to use it in some place and OH BOY HE GOT SLAMMED

Like what? What does that have to do with anything lol.

Jontrons videos are a blend, that only the most autistic of people can't separate. It's comedy, it's hyperbolic, but it comes from a place of the creators understanding, and people are in fact allowed to agree with points brought up.

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>>7037708
>that face

>>7038468

The point is those people who take his videos seriously are underage as they'll base their info entirely on it without actually experiencing it themselves.

It's the equivalent of how /v/ calls every game shit, there are people who actually go by that. Hell better yet it's like those people who will not see a movie in theaters because Rotten Tomatoes gave this particular movie a low score.

>>7038569
>as they'll base their info entirely on it without actually experiencing it themselves.

While I agree you shouldn't entirely base your perception off of one source, you shouldn't pretend you NEED to experience it for yourself to produce an opinion on it. We all get that The Room sucks, we all know that the Nazi party was generally a bad thing, we don't need to experience living in Nazi Germany or watching the room to understand they suck.

Furthermore, not EVERYONE is underage who watches that shit and agrees with some of the points made. You're using sweeping generalization because you don't know any better.

>>7038653

Spouting the same buzzword of a quote on other videos or anywhere in general kind of makes you appear that way. Then again >Youtube comments

>>7038699
Well I'm sorry your perception is limited, but since you base everything off personal experience I shouldn't expect much otherwise.

Furthermore, what buzzword lol?

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>>7008610
So I assume this will get your motor running pretty good?

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Falco waifu

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>>7037658
>That puppet

I can't help but imagine it speaking in a hugely politically incorrect japanese voice ala Jeff Dunham

>>7034942
http://www.furaffinity.net/user/jonasafterdark/

>>7041862

It did, but the whole E3 presentation for Nintendo that year was horrible, Japan even hated it. The worst thing was that was the last time Iwata was in a direct.

I'm an admitted 64fag, but I don't understand why anyone would want another straight rehash of the game. All I wanted was the replayability the branching paths offered and the railshooter/dogfighting gameplay mix. That's where Zero half-assed it, and the control gimmicks did not come close to making up for it. As far as characters were concerned, the more variety, the better (save some of the Command cast). God knows the series could use some well-written characterization.

Anyway, have some porn.

>>7043694
Filesize limits are gay.

http://imgur.com/87pQS0R

>>7043653
Cute

>>7043694

The only example I can really give is because people like my older brother at the time bitched to hell and back over the first sequel, and I quote, "not being 64 2". As in he literally wanted an exact copy of 64. This of course proved to be ironic down the road as when Zero came along it made people like you realize 64 wasnt entirely great. It's certainly enjoyable (better than Zero), but you know it aged rather poorly. I kinda speculated it was a few years after 64s release that the on rails genre became obsolete, kinda why I say the two sequels that came out werent as bad at all. Adventures may of been something else before, but it's not bad to try something new. Assault I believe was the right way to go.

With the rumor I heard about Koei, I think a Dynasty game using the Adventures plot would fit perfectly. Even Assault would fit in as well, but of course because Zero put the series in jeopardy Nintendo wont allow it to happen as they're questioning the series position.

I find it funny because despite his protest, he never bought the Zero unless he did and he traded it in after beating it. I know I did when I grabbed Zero, kept Guard though because you dont get much for it apparently.

>>7043907
Nice anecdote.

>>7043694
Here's the reality, it's not that people dislike new stuff, it's that people dislike what a letdown Adventures was.

When we heard Rare, of all people Rare, BK, Donkey Kong, Goldeneye, yadda yadda, were gonna do a Star Fox game, and you could get out of your ship, we pictured jetpacks and laser guns, landmasters, all kinds of cool shit. So, admittedly, it's partially the fans fault. Through all the media we got on SFAd, we didn't see any of that stuff, but we just kinda went with it.

When it came out, it got decent reviews, again zelda mechanics, good music, cool visuals, but it was always lacking Star Fox.

So again, people don't dislike change, they're cautious of it, and they really dislike when the change is so vast it doesn't even look or feel like Star Fox.

We lost something new just to GET SFad, we lost a chance at a new Rare game, and in return, we got a well designed game, with a real shitty story.

>>7043907
>64 wasn't entirety great
I see this bandied about a lot, but never accompanied by reasons the game itself isn't great (issues with gameplay, graphics, writing, music, vocals, etc.). The focus is always on the trends of the fandom or Nintendo's behavior in the years following the game. Also, if "it hasn't aged well" is a valid argument, providing examples of what DOES still impress after around two decades of technical advancement would give a good reference of explaining the game's shortcomings to others at least.

>>7044311
From your post, it sounds like the fanbase is fractured on what a SF game "should" be. Should the focus be solely a railshooter? Should the on-foot elements of Assault be expanded upon, or even included? What about the influence from Adventures? What about the cast? I have no idea how Nintendo or any developer would reconcile all of that and keep everyone happy. Lord knows SEGA's been grappling with such issues for over ten years know and maybe, just MAYBE, is finally settling on a plan.

>>7044543
That is a fine ass indeed.

>>7044561
Anyone know if he takes commissions? This guy's good.

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>>7044543
11/10 would put in spandex and play tennis with

>>7044518
>From your post, it sounds like the fanbase is fractured on what a SF game "should" be.
I think it's more a question of what a SF game can be as well.

We know it can be all on rails, we know it can be on rails with all range elements to it. Assault came close to really stepping the game up, but it failed because the on rails portions were a bit soft, the ground combat was fucking god awful, and the story kinda meh.

If I were to go full fanboy I'd also ream the character direction they took with it, but I'll leave that out despite the chip on my shoulder.

I agree its a real shitstorm they found themselves in, this attempt to reboot / remake / whatever ended in misery for all parties.

If I were them, I'd give 64 a proper sequel, or hell even change focus to someone else, take some risks again. And I know you'll say oh but Adventures was a risk, which is fine, but it was never a Star Fox game. If you're going to take a risk, make it something from the ground up, give it a chance to stand on its own.

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>>7044744

>Koei tried offering a warriors game featuring Star Foxz
>Nintendo refused it because Zero killed the series as articles mention they're questioning it

Everyone wants a sequel to Assault that ignores Command. Holding onto the 64 portion is really old at this point. As Gameinformers review of Zero even stated, Zero would've been acceptable if it was 2002, but ultimately is a game you grew out of. In other words that "true sequel" people wanted for 20 years, they got it, but it fucked em over entirely in the end.

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>>7044744
I think they should just make a full on rails shooter again. Stuff like Afterburner Climax was loads of fun still.

Or go down the space shooter path and just make a Wing Commander/X-Wing/Freespace 2 game if they want to make it feel less arcady.

That said ground parts just never felt quite right in these kind of games. At least not in Assault or Rogue Squadron for that matter.

>>7045017
I try to get some better sources than a bunch of speculation pieces, so if you have any please post.

Also using that kinda media is shit anyway, for your one gameinformers article I can find some fanboy love of it.

Not saying I agree with either, I'm just saying you have no real evidence no one wants a true Star Fox 64 sequel.

Also saying everyone wants a sequel to assault ignoring command has no basis in reality lol.

>>7044744
>I think it's more a question of what an SF can be as well.
Of course, almost goes without saying. Like you mentioned, Assault took steps in the right direction, but stumbled in key areas like controls, writing, and plot (and making it linear progression, but that's just me).

The series has been a balancing act, and Zero sent it careening over. If anything, an ideal game would be a blend of the best parts of 64 (replayability, tight railshooting/allrange) and Assault (on-foot, story-focused) while putting a fine polish on the controls and writing. And I agree on shifting focus if you mean on characters other than the Star Fox team. Let them grow and move on, for God's sake.

>>7045053
I would love a ground based game, they wouldn't even need the arwing shooting portions, but I'd like it to be you know, at least somewhat Starfoxy. Like, use actual starfox gear, have actual starfox type plot points, visit some planets, explore some creepy ass desert ancient space race ruins.

But yeah, I think they right now they need to tread simple and effective. Stop going the sonic route where they keep trying too hard to have new characters and edgier stories and all this shit, go back to what made that shit good and expand upon it.

>>7045111
Your last point is what fans have been saying about Sonic for years, but is just as applicable to SF nowadays. Rebuild trust in the franchise by making a solidly playable game first, then play around with slight tweaks to elements in sequels.

>>7045053

The problem is on rails shooters ended long ago and will never return. You can try arguing this about other genres, but this is one that's become so niche that it wouldnt be popular even if they tried.

Horizontal and vertical shooters are even in the same position, but despite being more noticeable they're still very niche. You know its dead if Japan doesnt even care.

>>7045103
Yeah, that's what I meant by shiftin focus, going full fanboy mode, it just doesn't make sense, SFad, at all.

I can't even LIST the plot holes. Why is the Star Fox team hurting for work? These are the people paid handsomely by Corneria, who cut a line through thousands of enemies, destroying the best enemy leaders and technology along the way, and eventually took out Andross directly.

Even if shit slowed down after the war, why the fuck would they ever hurt again lol, it would make more sense to have a game about the pains of celebrity life than one where the team was out of dough, scraping the barrel for anything.

Why does General Pepper have such a tight control of their mission? Why does he seem to work so tightly with the team despite it being clear at the end of 64 they didn't want that kind of oversight? Why does he care if you can use a blaster or not, you were flying through space a second ago shooting shit up, you use a staff to shoot fireballs, what's special about a blaster? Even IF it was painted as a diplomacy move, which it fucking wasn't, the minute Fox saw sharpclaws using advanced technology, he should have said fuuuuck this, get the guns.

But the thing is, it's glaring, blinding, why it doesn't make sense, why the plotholes exist, because it's not a fucking Star Fox game, it never was, it never was meant to be. The best they can do is handwave and hope you forget just so the story can continue.

>>7045198
>I can't even LIST the plot holes. Why is the Star Fox team hurting for work? These are the people paid handsomely by Corneria, who cut a line through thousands of enemies, destroying the best enemy leaders and technology along the way, and eventually took out Andross directly.

You didnt read Farewell Beloved Falco is why.

>>7045152
Honestly you're describing what I'd call the perfect sequel.

Banjo Kazooie into Tooie, Crash into Crash 2.

A game that's solid, and then when it comes time for the next game, stick to what worked, change it up enough, or up the stakes enough, without going overboard, and perfect the mechanics. Maybe throw in one more for the trilogy, and then just everything else should be offshoots, or little standalone tales, whatever.

Look at Zelda, been doing the same shit forever. They modernize, they change things enough to keep it engaging and moving without being rediculous, small movements, small risks, not everything has to be connected.

>>7045223
Except I did.

>>7045233

Consider that

>The money they got probably wasnt much despite their efforts
>Even if it was it was most likely blown on repairs, etc
>The manga takes place years after 64s plot so consider how that could easily be diminished
>It ends on a freelance mission rather than pepper making em do shit

Though for some reason that last part was contradicted, but unused audio implies they got paid a good amount for what they found but Fox had one last thing to do

>>7045293
That's why the comic doesn't really change anything.

>The money they got probably wasnt much despite their efforts
That depends on the score, again going full fanboy mode here but if you did a damn good job the bill Pepper gets seems to be quite hefty based on how he reacts in shock to it. This makes me believe it's some kind of privateer type commission. The fact is no one really knows canon how much they earned, but I err on the side of, a fucking lot if it's commission, they dealt that much destruction, and killed Andross.

>Even if it was it was most likely blown on repairs, etc
Repairs to? Even in the most damaged state Arwings seemed to be decently fast to return to service. If you mean Great Fox, it couldn't have been that fucked up given it made a full return trip, landing, and launch at Corneria, the crew making no suggestion they needed to hang around, actually making a point to get their accolades, pay, and jet.

>The manga takes place years after 64s plot so consider how that could easily be diminished
Consider how easy it would be for the most famous mercs in the Lylat system to get work.

>It ends on a freelance mission rather than pepper making em do shit
Pretty sure you stated the contradiction there, it simply doesn't follow what comes in the game.

>>7045381
Not the other guy but on the money thing.

Something like the Arwing and the Great Fox would consume money no matter what you do if we apply IRL logic. You have a lot of running costs that dont care if the thing is even flying or not. Not to mention living expenses and so on for the crew.

So if you assume that nothing major came in and they didn't do an awful lot between 64 and Adventures it's easy to imagine that they lost money quickly.

You could also imagine that Corneria had a hard time paying them given the war probably cost them a fuckload to begin with. Andross isn't gonna pay for it, they probably wasted all their money on military and stupid superweapons.

Ultimately it's also reading too deep into these games' stories. Especially considering the nature of Adventures.

>>7045233
>Look at Zelda, been doing the same shit forever
That's not to say they haven't gotten criticism, or that they don't deserve it for some of their decisions therein, but they have a better sense of how far they should fuck with the formula. Mario did this well for a while too, with the progression of 64->Sunshine->Galaxy (before they proved the rehashfags right on the Jew Super Mario series).

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I want to marry and impregnate Krystal!

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>>7046410
That's fair, as long as I get Miyu.

>>7045626
Well this is /trash/ autism and reading things too deep is par for the course.

Sure, assuming they didn't get much, which is hard to assume given again, they're the ones that knocked out Andross. Is it unthinkable? No, sure, I'll give it that they may be taking on all kinds of missions. That still doesn't save the game from all the other plotholes.

>>7045673
Of course, nothing is perfect and that's fine, and it's fine to point out the flaws.

>>7037658
All of that and StarFox STILL only has two decent games (the original and the remake known as 64, both of which are starting to heavily show their age)

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>>7048325

Please, Nintendo didnt even try with this display. Meanwhile there was a shitload on display when Mario Maker was coming around.

>>7049958
This is the ideal SF crew I'd like to see in a future game. If there's one

>>6999196
wtf this picture makes me seriously uncomfortable.

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Why are these threads always just Krystal?
She's not even hot.

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>>7050648

Because she's the only popular girl there is. There was a very short period of Katt before Zero released, but it didnt help her at all. She's lower than even Miyu and Fay.

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>>7049958

Really one more girl to even out the ratio would be perfect, but that's a pretty good roster regardless.

>>7049958
Why does Krystal look awful here?
Why is Falco purple?

>>7052331
Cept remove the non SF character.

>>7055774
Faye and Miyu?

>>7055832
You know which one I'm talking about. Ironically two nobodies from a never officially released game have more star fox cred than krystal lol.

>>7055851
What are you talking about?

Krystal is actually in several Star Fox games. Three, in fact.

Faye and Miyu have never been in an officially released game, and were replaced by Katt and Bill in 64.

So if anything, Miyu and Faye would be replaced by Katt and Bill to make it an official lineup.

>>7056055
I'm saying Krystal wasn't designed as a Star Fox character, learn your history.

>>7056102
Except that's wrong. Krystal had a different design before the change from Dinosaur Planet to Starfox Adventures, and either way, she's objectively a Starfox character now... and guess who's still not? Faye and Miyu.

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>>7056102

>Implying she isnt a Star Fox character

If you mean her original cat design yeah, but otherwise she's a full fledged Star Fox character.

Sorry she triggers your ass so hard

>>7056130
Obviously you don't understand the concept of wasn't designed as a Star Fox character. Her creation was unrelated to Star Fox, and now she's a female yiff object with 0 personality and 0 character besides, I LYKE FOX A LOT AND AM KIND

>>7056176
Ahhh le triggered may may. Mmph, that's good projection right there lol. I'm sorry I upset you by being honest bout your waifu, but you'll be alright.

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>>7039785
This artist is the best and his Crossdressing Falco is sexy as fuck.

I hope the artist gets interested in drawing more Leon to go with Falco, Fox and Wolf.

>>7056176
I've always hated this style of trying to make 2D artwork look 3D. They are have this weird sheen and lighting.

Smashified pulled it off but they do it differently from everyone else.

>>7050648
>Star Fox gayfags
>opinions mattering

>>7056055
Three bad to mediocre Star Fox games.

>>7050648
Because the thread is mainly Krystalfags and it's always about the same shit all the time, Might as well make peace with it.

Katt in the Falco comic looks way hotter than Krystal.

>>7059448
All my pics of the other girls are on my tablet. Lo siento.

>>7056475
>bitching about personality and character in fucking star fox
Besides we already had this convo earlier in the thread

>>7060131
Lel, first people call out SF64 for having no character, and then bitch when people say the characters in Adventures sucked.

Like cmon hypocrite.

Bunp

Name a good Star Fox fanfic.

You can't

>>7055774
Yeah purple OC Falco should be replaced by regular falco

>>7061774
Name a good fanfic.
You can't

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Reminder that Krystal is good for rough hardcore fucking by large lizard men, and nothing else.

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>>7062122

This comic is surprisingly good

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Miyu is the best Star Fox!

>>7060176
Assault was where Krystal got a character, and she was completely in the right during command.

Fox wanted to "protect" her like the beta cuck he was and banned her from going on missions because he couldn't bear the idea of her getting hurt, while still going on missions himself. Krystal said "Fuck you" and joined Star Wolf.

Keep in mind this is command in a nutshell: Fox fucked up and alienated everyone but his autist friend Slippy and has to get everyone's respect and trust again. He learned zero lessons from Assault.

And before you bring it up, Kursed is a "localization" added by Treehouse.

>>7062153
This is correct.

>>7062153
Why was this deleted?

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>>7062212

The issue is Command is that much of a clusterfuck that no one considers it canon. I read that the majority who do consider the Fox and Krystal ending to be the real ending because of all the shit it puts you through it ends with none of the faggy shit the rest have.

Although the Marcus ending is ok. A spinoff of that wouldnt be bad. Not to mention if you didnt notice, they gave old Falco C.Falcons leg guards

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>>7062292
>>7062301
Sorry, I thought the comic was getting posted non-stop, didn't want to interrupt it.

Miyu, of course, is still the best!

>>7062212
>Assault was where Krystal got a character, and she was completely in the right during command.
>she was completely in the right during command
>during command
You don't actually consider that travesty canon do you? I was going to give a long well thought out reply as to why Krystal in fact, didn't gain any character in Assault, but...if you think Command is even worthy to take serious...I dunno if it's worth the effort.

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>>7062944
Checked

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>>7050648
>She's not even hot.
Yeah, you people always say the same shit.

>>7059448
>Because the thread is mainly Krystalfags and it's always about the same shit all the time, Might as well make peace with it.
Bitch please. Star Fox threads that feature strictly dicks don't offer any variety. It's always the same submissive Fox with dominant Falco & Wolf, weak ass gay fanfics, and "I wanna take his knot" bullshit. If a lewd Krystal, Miyu, Fay, Katt, or Fara gets posted to those threads, people in said threads go ape shit.

What I've noticed over the years in Star Fox image threads.
>Strictly male shippers rage over pussy and a pair of tits
>Bi furries don't take genders as seriously
>Straight furries may say something, but they don't rage like the ones dedicated to dick

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>>7067330

It's worse when you notice the kind of people on the male shipping end. It's maximum autism to put it bluntly, worse yet is they're into some really messed up shit too.

>>7067330
Except I said Krystalfags, not straightfags. They cycle over the same topics over and over.
Bitch about Zero? Check.
Bitch About A Fox in Space or Phox himself? Check.
Bitch about much more autistic people elsewhere in the fandom? Check.

And I don't want a pure gay thread anyway I just want a good Star Fox thread but It's hard to have a peaceful gay and straight thread because autistic bitchy shippers on both sides start shit. I don't know where you've been but it's been like that on /v/ a lot and /furry/ back when it wasn't dead for the past 2 or so years.

And it's always ALWAYS Krystal/Fox shippers vs Fox/Wolf shippers.

You know that image where Krystal and Wolf are playing tug of war with Fox in the middle? that's a perfect visual representation of the worst of the star fox fandom.

The other shippers aren't as bitchy towards each other.

>>7063045
If you don't feel Krystal gained any character in assault, you should also point to where falco or slippy gained some character in assault

>>7070621
Krystalfags have nothing to lose is the difference, they're the "canon" couple. It's the fox/wolf fags that have to rage at any mention of content beyond 64 and cling so desperately to 64 or the snes games.

>>7070931
Wolf gained character in Assault
Leon regressed and if Zero did anything good it was set Leon back to the superior 64 version
Falco and Slippy? Not so much.

What character did Krystal gain?

>>7070988
She went from a blank slate/"girl" in Adventures to a Jedi type in Assault. Normally aloof, passionate about certain topics.

See the way she blows off Panther without blinking an eye, but when Sauria is wrecked she flips her shit. Interactions like that give us a glimpse of who she is, what she values, how she acts in a given scenario.

I will agree that wolf is the stronger character in assault, but bara daddy wolf in assault is also a completely different character from the tim curry-esque asshole he was in 64.

>>7070968
They're the canon couple and yet they continue to bitch.
Wolf/Fox gets the most Top Gun level of banter and yet they continue to bitch.

Clinging to canon is silly anyway when it comes to shipping.

Who cares what is canon? Ship what you like.

>>7071082
That's true, but also, what's the point of being a fan of something if you're going to directly contradict it? Why not just make your own story at that point?

>>7071097
Or you could fill in the blanks of something not yet written.

Like sure, Fox is straight with Krystal, but oh noes Marcus is gay for Falco!

>>7071082
I think a lot of that bitching is mostly a reaction to the fucking militant gay turboautists who hate her to an irrational level for messing up their Fox/Falco or Fox/Wolf ships.

I mean, can we all at least agree that the fox/falco autists are the worst of all with all their fucking porn of macro fox and falco literally destroying corneria city with their fucking?

>>7071097
Some do. I'm trying (too bad I can't worth a shit Haha!).

But what I like about it are the characters and the interaction they could have with each other if things went a certain way.

It's why I gravitate more towards Panther/Krystal, Wolf/Fox and Falco/Leon. Not because ew girls but because there's a dynamic between them that I find more interesting than what's closer to canon that is Fox/Krys, one-sided Leon/Wolf and Falco/Katt.

And I like seeing that dynamic explored when they are shipped together.

Shouldn't mean I should shit on those or other ships because why? Why be an asshole about someone else's tastes?

>>7071193
I'll agree I personally don't like it (or macro in general) and it even ruined that particular ship for me but I won't pin it on all Falco/Fox shippers.

Because that is all rich korean Togepi.

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>>7066519
Is there more?

>>7071270
We need to make a parody story about these craze shippers getting upset at krystal/wolf for being with Fox

>>7071270
See when you put it that way, that's a fair point and far less hostile than the usual stuff that goes on in these threads.

Even then, Panther/Krystal is still canon in a lot of endings of command, but you don't usually see that. You see brainless slut krystal x somebody's fursona or a mountain of sharpclaws.

I would adore to see porn that explored the interactions between Panther and Krystal to a greater degree, especially with the disappointing character arc they took Fox in in the later games, but the simple fact of the matter is that none of this porn takes any of their characters into account, ever. It's just mindless porn. No in-character dialogue that fits, no nice exchanges, just porn.

Heck, you know what? I am 100% okay with Krystal/Panther being the popular ship and Fox being with Falco or Wolf if there's at least some attempt to play off their characters a little.

>>7071506
You'd think someone would do a consensual Wolf/Fox/Krystal menage a trois.

>>7071558
>Fox is such a beta faggot that Wolf has to show him how to treat Krystal right, winds up joining them

Sounds about right.

Can we all at least agree that actually Post-64 Fox is the worst character in the series?

>I don't wanna hurt anyone as a mercenary! Waaah!
>I can't shoot at Peppy or Pepper even if they're zombies! Waaah!
>Krystal might get hurt! I'm gonna ban Krystal from fighting while still putting my life in danger on the job every day!
>WAIT NO KRYSTAL DON'T LEAVE ME I JUST WANTED TO KEEP YOU SAFE

>>7071574
Well you could have had it so Wolf is jealous over Krystal getting to be with Fox early on during Assault. But once she joins Wolf's team during Command and after a period where they develop some mutual respect they start talking about their feelings towards McCloud and he starts to respect her a lot more.

So when Fox asks to take him back, he steps in and we head towards that.

>>7071606
Concurred.

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>>7071345
yes

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>>7071606
>Everyone gives him shit in Command for being an idiot to Krystal and in general
>Acts complacent like their opinions dont matter

>>7071606
Well His Dad dies, His Mom dies, Peppy almost dies so It's sorta understandable that he freaks out and kicks her off the team in an attempt to keep her safe

But yeah his characterization is pretty dumb in the later games.

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>>7070621
>Except I said Krystalfags, not straightfags. They cycle over the same topics over and over.
Straightfags like Krystal, too. By furries & non-furries. The reason you see the same thing over, and over is because people still use that same lame ass excuse such as "she's useless." Of course people are gonna defend her from those who don't know any better, and idiots who say it just for the hell of it. Other fandoms also do this. It's not limited to Star Fox.

>Bitch about Zero
Sorry, can't let you do that. A shit load of people bitch about Zero. That doesn't mean they're associated with Krystal and/or the furry fandom. People who love 64 even bitch about Zero. Even some of her haters, the one's who thought removing her would put the series right also bitch about it.

>Bitch About A Fox in Space or Phox himself
I've seen Krystalfags watch this damn cartoon. A few people complaining about it doesn't mean it's all of them. In Fred's case, it's justified because he was being a dick. There's an image he did boasting about followers without the one with "three toes."

>Bitch about much more autistic people elsewhere in the fandom
The side dedicated to dick also does this. Time and time again I see fags whine about the guy who has a building fetish. They even bitch at Fred because they really wanna see him make Fox X Wolf a thing in his animation. They begged him on tumblr about it.

The dick side is the toxic side of the Star Fox fandom. This is coming from a bi guy.

>>7071766
God, this so much.

It was so hard to give a shit in command when Fox was such a moron and the fish people were such a non-threat nobody cared about.

The fish people are such a non-threat that a couple storylines have you just going off and fighting someone else entirely.

>>7071918
The problem is not the topic itself but the constant repetition of bitching about the topic.

It's every thread, sometimes it's all that's discussed.

>>7071930
I forgot about the fucking fish.

What a shit villain

>>7071930

>Tfw you made an alternative plote that while does involve Command, it retcons 98% of it
>The other 2% that remains is Wolfs bounty, the fishmen, and the "disbanding" but that's after they wipe the fishmen out. They just kind of give themselves a break really

>>7072049
They existed for no reason. OH CORNERIA FORGOT TO CHECK THE WATER NOW FISH ARE FROM VENOM'S WATER AND ARE GONNA KILL EVERYONE!

Then they were ignored in the vast majority of the dialog after around the second planet or so in favor of party dynamics.

Command is so bad, and yet it's brought to you by the exact same people as Starfox 2, who also went on record as saying "People care too much about these furries" when criticized about the game's plot.

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>>7072031
Dick shippers need to stop getting angry. I honestly don't give a shit about ships.

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>>7073463
this

I'm disappointed by the lack of best girls in this thread

>>7071839
It doesn't make any sense that he'd do such a thing thaaaat late in the story, especially after almost all dying lol.

>>7072391
>who also went on record as saying "People care too much about these furries" when criticized about the game's plot.
Link please. I remember them saying something like "They like these furries a little too much" but that was for Star Fox 64 3D and I think they were referring to the porn.

>>7070931
I don't get it, they really didn't gain any character.

>>7070988
Wolf gained terrible character in Assault, honestly it's by far the worst change they did for me.

>>7071065
She became a prequel jedi type is more specific. Her character is kind, and Fox lover. This isn't good character, it's bland and uninteresting. It's one of the most easy to create stereotype females ever.

Again, Wolf is a terrible character in assault and just because he's more like a MGS character (most of which are also terrible) doesn't mean he's well designed. Wolf offers nothing, his changes of heart are unfounded, the "giving you advice" and too cool to be a goodguy forced image is awful.

Wolf used to be Napoleonic, confident but capable, destroyer for money. When he got shot down in 64 he emoted, yeah it was corny, yeah it was silly, but you seriously got the vibes of frustration and disbelief as he spiraled in. This gives the player a reward, a sense of impact and accomplishment, and yeah it's an old way to do it, but taking out their team when the odds are seemingly against you, and listening to the effect you have on them, is way better than what they did in Assault.

Assault is what, you go onto his base, you kill his men, you wreck the place, you fly outside and shoot down ships and some kind of cruiser, then shoot up their Wolfens when they arrive. And then what? Frustration? Emotion? Investment? Interest? Anything? No.

"That's enough for now, Fox." Says Wolf, as he still flies his prestine Arwing. Immediately impact is completely lost, it feels like you've done nothing. After all that, he isn't even the one to begrudgingly give any information up, it's Panther being, another poorly written character doing poorly written things.

And then he literally does a Team Rocket blasting off again sequence, end scene.

It's fucking retarded, it's some of the worst character creation ever. He's uninspired and unlikable. At least Wolf in 64 was fun for fucks sake.

near the end

>>7075517
Considering Leon turns into a jabbering loonie with a Zorak voice and a fat face, Wolf is not the worst change to me.

>>7074991
I'd think Peppy almost dying would be the trigger.

It only makes sense from his point of view, outside of that it's still stupid and everyone is right to call him out on that.

>>7076295
Eh, don't get me wrong, I also dislike they changed the suave, calm collected sounding sociopath to the more aggressive, off the wall, odd guy.

But for me, it's what the character is. His voice irks me for sure, but when I actually think about the character, it didn't change too much, it just is presented in a much lesser trapping. Now not saying it didn't change, but whereas Leon got a voice overhaul and some tweaks to character, Wolf got a massive character overhaul, and voice overhaul, and everything, in a terrible generic Jap antihero direction.

Also they did a bad job casting Andrew, I think they tried too hard to play the silly route. Part of what made SF64 interesting to me was that even though the world was cheesy, it took itself seriously, there really weren't many bumbling silly villains in the Sonic / Crash direction. You got back what you put into it, if you just wanted to see a light space action game with goofy banter and characters, power to you. If you wanted to see the war for what it was, your carcass is mine.

The game also lacked an edge honestly, and don't misunderstand, I'm not saying it needs to be edgy, but those lines were part of what made 64 feel more aggressive, more warish. Daddy screamed real good before he died, you'll be joining your dad soon, implying he's going to be joining his dead father, your carcass is mine, they had no qualms talking about straight up killing each other.

Which is why Wolfs intro situation was so shit in Assault for me. I get character development and change, I get Fox just wanting to get some information and go, but these are people that killed many, on both sides, and lost many, to both sides. Fox honestly shouldn't have any qualms about wrecking and killing everyone on his base, blasting the entire wolf team to death, and pulling the info from whoever survived.

The Star Fox team were never classic heroes, they're mercs, they get dirty, they get paid.