WHEN ARE THEY GONNA FUCK?!

Much like television, viewership partially depends on the will she/won't she dynamic.
Two scenarios:
-Right before either one of them is required to die for the narrative.
-After the comic ends in the epilogue.

>>5769002
This upskirt takes my breath away. Knowing nothing about this artist, I can at least definitely say they have based taste in porn.

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>>5769002
Someday?
Still kinda mad about the two page retcon thing he pulled with her

>>5777177
Explain? "retcon" means to overwrite canon, right? so to speak

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>>5779749
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retroactive_continuity

>>5780411
i was asking for a source for what you were referring to. i can always google "retcon" but i can't google "that thing anon talked about on 4chan once..."

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>Him
What did he mean by this?

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>>5779749
To explain, you need to know a bit of Natani's background. During her teens, one of their assassination missions went wrong and she got her soul shattered (effectively put her in a permanent coma). In a bit of a gambit to try and bring her back, her brother fused his soul with her shattered one. Anything missing just got replaced by his, one of which was her sense of gender, resulting in the gender confused wolf in-story

Recently, she got the soul link to her brother cut off which resulted in her having some form of internal monologue with a younger version of herself. In the span of two pages, what's stated kinda flip flops. Initially, the younger Natani claims that Natani's drive to avoid all things feminine is a result of her brother's soul link that always subconsciously viewed her as the little sister that needed defending and that this inception style drive wasn't a good thing for her. Then the next page throws it up in the air going "well actually, you liked the tomboy cross dressing thing even before your soul got shattered so nevermind". Naturally, the Tumblr types are this up

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>>5781412
Page 2 for context

>>5781412
>>5781421
So he pussied out to appease tumblr? wew

How much time did he have between comic page release? Maybe he really did buckle under the pressure of tumblrites being triggerd.

>>5781412
It's a shame too; the whole dynamic of having her soul-link screwing up her identity be a legitimate ailment and symptom of getting her soul patched up by essentially copy-pasting from her brother to fill in the gaps was really interesting, with the message of "stop rejecting yourself" being a good one that more people could benefit from.
Then it turned into "but you've always been like that anyway so it's fine." What was a really good twist immediately thrown away.

>>5784482
not to mention he throws away the "I did gender identity disconnect before it was cool" angle he had by... throwing it away and just conforming to tumblr norms.

not to say, by the way, that he's not allowed to do that or that liking what I called "tumblr norms" is not allowed even in fantasy. But, I'm just saying, it is the stuff of tumblr.

>>5781421
>>5781412
Anon, thank you for the clarification. I always knew TwoKinds is shit. Seeing this is not only contradiction to her as a character, all those past events of her hiding her breasts was all for nothing.

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>>5784482

Food for thought.

>>5785978
Not him (nor have I finished the comic [lost interest in my binge @ p547]) but I wouldn't say her hiding her breasts and such were for nothing- it was just for a different reason, right.

Not sure what to call this, though. It's not quite non sequitur... it's just retcon. Its not even "Chekhov's gun"... it is just changing purpose randomly. Dunno mane

>>5786187
>User has been banned for this post

I've been banned on shitty passive aggressive forums for opinion before but never seen a public ban message, before...

Mind, I've seen the mod flaunt her stupid dick around saying "yep, he asked me to defend my opinion, so I banned him", but no formal ban message.

>>5786187
>that comment
I take issue with a lot of the points raised- firstly, the fact that his main argument is that the comic is racist, when the characters are literally different races. Is it really racist when the person is literally a different race, and therefore biologically distinct and different from base-line humans? Basitin obedience being biologically ingrained is interesting; for them it's not racist, it's the way they are.
In short, he seems to want to judge them as human characters, when the entire point is that they AREN'T human, and thus think differently and have different needs. If Keidrans and Basitins were just humans with animal features, that would be boring.

>>5786254
If I remember, she hide her breasts in order to not let the others know that she is a girl.
As for those two pages, I just see it as hypocrisy. I can get that Tom wants to end the whole gender confusing she had now, but how it ended is just ridiculous.

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>triggered by him calling her "miss"
It really is the end, isn't it? That unique, interesting take on her gender confusion coming as a symptom of her soul getting fucked up, tossed away in favor of typical tumblr-trash.

Granted, she'd get angry about it before, but I enjoyed that because it was anger born of confusion; she didn't want to think about it because she didn't know what to think, so she'd snap defensively despite it being a very reasonable mistake to make.

Now it's just standard "I've got bigger boobs than the rest of the female cast, but don't you dare call me a female! I identify as male!"

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>>5788937
>went from actual interesting character development to CHECK YOUR PRIVILEGE CIS SCUM!!

There goes any interest I had in this comic

>>5792470
It started off so good, too.
>"I know you're afraid of accepting me, your female side, that if you do it'll end with you in a dress or something."
>yes... yes... a very good point...
>"but it's not true. You remember yourself that way because that's how your BROTHER remembered you."
>YES! Finally, the healing comes! Now say it! Say that she needs to stop hating herself for who she is, boobs and vag included! How she doesn't have to wear dresses in order to be a woman-
>"But it's okay because you were a tranny from the start lol"
>FFFFFFFFFFFFFF-
The sad part is, that's not actually the breaking point. If it had followed up with her learning to accept her feminine side anyway, that would have been fine, good even. A girl who gets off on pretending to be a guy is kinda hot. But no, instead she's gone full tumblr, and still hates anything that implies she's a girl, DESPITE HER BOOBS BEING CANONICALLY BIGGER THAN ANYONE ELSE'S!
Everybody's still going to recognize her as female when she first meets them. Continuing to take offense at it isn't just annoying, it's actually unhealthy, as it's going to cause her a lot more stress than coming to accept that being considered a female isn't a bad thing would.

And that's the crux of my problem; she still, at the end of it all, is associating "feminine=bad." and that is incredibly unhealthy, especially for somebody as blatantly feminine in features as she is.

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>>5792880
I'm wanting to hope that she just doesn't like the formal Sir/Mr/Miss/Mrs thing and doesn't still want to do the "I'm really a guy" thing after all that, but with the mood whiplash of those two pages I probably shouldn't

>>5793956
Yeah, I honestly saw it as her just being a bitch to Eric not her being triggered.
Hopefully it's not the worst case scenario and th writer didn't pull a full retard

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>>5769002
>thread demanding porn
>there's no porn, just "debate" on gender identity and racism
fuggin retards we got here

>>5794398
>>thread demanding porn

No. It was a thread insincerely asking of specific webcomic meta, hence webcomic discussion.

>>5792880
>The sad part is, that's not actually the breaking point. If it had followed up with her learning to accept her feminine side anyway, that would have been fine, good even. A girl who gets off on pretending to be a guy is kinda hot. But no, instead she's gone full tumblr, and still hates anything that implies she's a girl, DESPITE HER BOOBS BEING CANONICALLY BIGGER THAN ANYONE ELSE'S!
This! Tom might as well just kill off the character instead.

Do people really reads this comic unironically? Serious question.

>>5795327
how does one read a comic ironically?

>>5795341
You stick your nose so far in the air it becomes difficult to actually see the comic, stick a large rod up your pooper, and chortle loudly the entire time you peruse the comic.
Needless to say, it's not the most popular way to read a comic, but the internet is full of weirdos like that.

I haven't kept up too much with this comic for about a year. After going through this thread I can safely assume that the only worthwhile character might as well be dead, especially since becoming a class A bitch with muh pronouns.

>>5795327
You could say that TwoKinds is similar to Sword Art Online due to the art, half-decent plot, and it's popularity.

>>5795327
I visit the site every few weeks to see if Natani fugged yet.

>>5769002
wait a minute, i thought it was implied that they had fucked at one point.
http://twokinds.keenspot.com/archive.php?p=809
ends with them making out. then we go into
http://twokinds.keenspot.com/archive.php?p=815
and you can see natani fixing up her suit, when it was on perfectly when the thing started. if you wanted to make the case that just kissing went on between those few pages, then why did she need to put her shirt back on? it could have come loose durring "violent kissing sessions" but come on man, be realistic. its not like this would even be a first for the comic. its been implied many times that characters have fucked "off camera" a couple times already.
i guess its technically ambiguous what really happened here, but come on man, i thought it was obvious that they had sex between pages 809 and 815.

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>>5797310
>if you wanted to make the case that just kissing went on between those few pages, then why did she need to put her shirt back on? it could have come loose durring "violent kissing sessions" but come on man, be realistic.
I think you mean this part.

>>5786350
These would be fair criticisms if his point if the about page for TwoKinds years ago (dunno now, haven't looked at it in years) discusses that the comic is a metaphor for human racism.

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>>5800161
He should have just kill the character.

>>5800681
That slut on the left has a nice tummy.

>>5800815
That's because she's pregnant.

>>5797468
Didn't really think about that when I read it the first time. I thought it was just her being all bashful because they kissed again, but her clothes definitely give away the fact that they had a bit of fun together.

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>>5802152
They'll stay virgins until Tom decides to have them do it. Glad to help though.

>>5802521
Yeah, I just read the comic two days ago because I saw this thread and binge read it.
I really like the two and really hope Tom flushes the two out and hopefully doesn't go too far with that retcon people are talking about

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>>5802814
My biggest fear right now is that Tom will kill her off once they either confess their love, or finally start banging

>>5802991
God I fucking hope not, I absolutely love her design
Also I hope he knows how to actually draw lewd though, that would be a very nice surprise if he supplied us with some

>>5803007
If by "lewd" you mean explicit, didn't people say he drew some "lewd" for his friends and it got leaked, or something?

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>>5802814
To be honest, as much as I hate TwoKinds; I still think it can be good and be an okay comic if Tom tries to take risk with the comic and tone down the cheesecake while having the characters deal with those Grand Templers.

>>5803033
Yeah mb, that's usually call it with my friends who draw shit.
That's also pretty funny, I'm guessing it was mainly just Flora and Trace stuff.

>>5803034
It looks like it might transition to templar fights, but you can never tell with artists.

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>>5781412
>>5781943
>>5784482
>>5785978
>>5786254
>>5788937
>>5792470
No, you idiots are making a big deal out of nothing. This is not a retcon nor pandering to tumblr, there was NO indication that Natani was a girly girl before the soul-shattering. If anything, she brought up a good point about Natani wanting to join the assasins' guild in first place.

At most this is a cop out on having Natani completely accept herself as a woman (which I assume you people want just so she begs Keith for the D) but at least she considers herself a tomboy now instead of a guy trapped in a female body, which is still good as character development.

Also, what kind of underage/sheltered faggots are you that have never heard a woman say "don't call me miss" before?

>>5803531
I've read what you said three times but all you seem to've said was:

>it is not retcon because I'm going to pretend you were arguing she was a "girly girl" instead of your actual argument of her established canon of her personality being sat on by new tumblr-like canon
>this is not pandering to tumblr

you didn't even propose anything as to why you believe this is not pandering to tumblr.

>>5803531
The thing is, I sincerely hope that you're right about this, but prior experience means I can no longer be optimistic about it.

I never wanted her to be a "girly girl," I wanted her to stop hating herself for being a girl- which is very unhealthy and self-destructive.

Maybe the next comic will clarify and we'll all have been freaking out over nothing, but as it stands, the first thing we see after this "revelation" a very hostile reaction to what is a neutral at worst approach, which appears to result from an "incorrect gender pronoun."

I hope to God that you're right, but I have to assume that you're wrong, so that I may either be pleasantly surprised, or braced for the disappointment.

>>5803849
Have fans comment in his DeviantArt page about it?

>>5803788
>muh tumblr boogieman

>>5803849
You ARE freaking out over nothing. She's not "triggered" over being called a woman, she's upset over being called a -miss- because she ain't one even though she's a woman. Tumblr did NOT invent this, tomboys IRL dislike being called "miss", "lady", "doll" or stuff like that.

Jeezis.

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>>5804101
But ain't Miss just a term for woman that aren't married?

>>5804227
Yeah but Natani doesn't consider herself that kind of woman. The Basitin's "King" is probably the same.

>>5794269
It's this. The ones going full-retard are the fans.

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>>5804308
So you're telling me that Natani and probably Adelaide, will get upset for someone calling them a Miss just because they're consider tomboys?

>>5804581
Who knows, I don't even care that much. I only know about this because my brother sperged about it this morning.

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>>5804652
Did he point out any pages to back it up besides the latest strip? Or is it just an excuse to defend Tom's gender fetish?

>>5804789
He pretty much quoted every bullshit post in the infinity chan thread. That boy ain't right.

Believe me, I'm disgusted by trannies due my own convictions so I'm not supporting any LGBTBBQ bullshit. To me it just seems like mass hysteria, people wanting be offended instead of judging things clearly. You can't blame me for calling out retards on being retarded.

>>5805050
The whole Tumblr thing the other Anon brought up was just a joke. It just that it's stupid on how it was executed. True, fans are glad that it's over. But it does leave a sour taste and made some of them questioning or confused.

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>>5804581
Wasn't the whole point of the King talking with Natani towards the end of the Basion arc to try and tell her that "Hey, you can still be strong and do feminine things?"

>>5807495
Yes. Guess Tom never bring that up or was just trying to introduce the queen to the fans again.

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Still wondering what these two will pan out to be in the future

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>>5812095
>implying they'll appear again
On the other hand, I want to see more of the captain and the dragon "princess".

>>5812213

Nearly every female dragon has wanted to be banged by a human now.

>>5813484
There are more dragons besides her and Nora??

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>>5812095
>More human and anthro love
Does Tom have a human x anthro fetish?

>>5815306
Gee, I don't know. It's not like he made a comic about it.

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>>5816565
Around the end or the comic, he could end up depicting humans getting together with the wolves and tigers.

>>5817079
>end of the comic
we all know that's either a) never happening or b) going to be completely unplanned

>>5818558
True, so long as he ain't adding more relationship between humans and anthro.

>>5824689
They act just like teens.

>>5828254
Probably due to the fact that the writer is barely out of his teens

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>>5828432
In the earlier comic strips, didn't it mention that Flora was 14 years old?

>>5829136
I still don't know how old that is in their years.

>>5829136
All of the Kreidan are super young, Flora is about 11 and I think Natani is like 13, but that's because they age relatively fast. Hell, Laura is 16 and she said she was really old.
It's like how dogs don't live nearly as long as humans because they have a different anatomy.

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Does anyone here remember this weird Twokinds spin/rip off comic made by some other guy? It looked really similar, and it was pretty lame (can't even remember the title). Thank you in advance.

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>>5829272
Project 2nd by Leoian with an incest fetish.

>>5829411
Holy hell it looks worse than the beginning of the original

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>>5829429
Cause he's bad at tracing.

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>>5829505
Jesus

>>5829579
He even block any people that criticise him and is supporting only himself on his Pateron since there's two patrons.

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>>5829692
Sounds like the kind of person who's eventually crumble and burn and never get better at his craft who also happens to be a ginormous cunt.

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>>5829736
The comic exist as his own fantasy and incest fetish.

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>>5829904
>incest

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>>5829962
If you check information on him, you'll learn that he tried to have Tom put his self-insertion in the comic as Flora's brother. However, Leo also wants to cuck Trace of Flora to make her his lover.

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>>5830134
I think I've had my good dose of faggotry today, thanks for that.
Some people just need to stop

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>>5830259
Your welcome. Here's a gif.

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>>5830316
I'm not too big into the crazed dragon grill, but thanks anyway. I just want some good Natani x Keith like the good ol' OP

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>>5830134
Ah yes, I remember when that shit went down.
People tried to ignore him, until he started posting the weird porn then the mods cracked down on him.
THEN he migrated to FA and started claiming Flora was his, which in turn pissed off more people.

I'm convinced that the only reason his comic has fans is they're just simply not aware of Twokinds (or they have an incest fetish)

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>>5832632
>I'm convinced that the only reason his comic has fans is they're just simply not aware of Twokinds (or they have an incest fetish)
That could be the case.
I do wonder if Tom will sooner or later plan on suing Leo for tracing his work.

>>5769002
If you have to ask when two characters in a comic are going to fuck ... it's probably never.

>>5828254
It helps to act younger if it fits your art style.

Also adults act like this in sitcoms, real life, comedies, plays, video games, and pretty much anything else.

>>5836182
That does make sense since he also using his influence of anime.

I could possibly write a fic of the two if anyone wanted me to, not entirely sure how I would do anything lewd though.

>>5832632
>I'm convinced that the only reason his comic has fans is they're just simply not aware of Twokinds (or they have an incest fetish)
That's amazingly sad if true

>>5829505
I went to Nekocon once when I was living in Virginia a few years ago. It was pretty fun. I also got to grind with a slutty Hispanic girl at the rave.

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>>5838486
Able to meet Tom at the time and ask him about the comic?

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Dead thread

This thread inspired me to catch up on the comic, I was few months behind.

Eugh, I'm really not happy with how Natani's gender reexamination went down.

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>>5842383
Give up on the comic while you still can.

>>5842938

Too late, I'm back on the wagon now, I'm already looking forward to the few coming strips to see if Natani is salvageable or not.

>>5843889
At least don't turn off your brain as you read future pages of the comic. Good luck Anon.

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>>5852511
At least post wolf if you're gonna bump.

kys furfags

>>5853325
What good would that do since they're already dead on the inside?

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>>5853325

>>5769002

In this comic, they're always showing bare butts.


Also, I want to know what those butts smell like.

>>5853998
Wet dog.

>>5853998
Shit

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bump

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>>5853998
Prolly like ass

>>5777177


What retcon?

Also I really can't stand Natani, its such a hamfisted message with her - overtly convoluted and stupid. I really can't be invested in this character.

>>5864828

Not the guy you're replying to.

Natani's conflict came from her brother's soul clashing with the fragments of her own. "Girly" things she found intriguing but couldn't admit to. She was literally divided as a character.
The "retcon", as it were, throws that out of the window. Turns out all those moments were caused by the brother's IDEA of Natani, not how Natani actually was.

What "message" does Natani have though?

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>>5863002
That's kind of hot.

>>5865495

>What "message" does Natani have?

It's OK to be a "tomboy" and like "male oriented activities" like wrasslin' and stuff.

OR

Natani is a beautiful genderfluid trans-person whose struggle is real and gripping! Just let him/her/zir be who they feeeeel they are!1

OR

Tom finds gender-swapping,confusion and other anime-esque tropes associated with it hot.

>>5870255

That's three potential messages, none of which is overtly convoluted (although arguably stupid)
Which one is it, and how is it hamfisted?

>>5870294
I think he's trying to say that the "message" sort of flip-flops between those three.

While this thread is still alive, why isn't there like a twokinds general or something of that nature? Stupid question, I know

>>5877020
someone want to make an OP copypasta? other than links to the last thread and the comic i can't think of too many things to put there.

>>5877386
Sorry, I'm a newfag, but copypasta?

>>5877474
just look at these threads, look how the OPs are formated.
>>5853446
>>5876487
>>5874418
>>5876428
>>5798613
something like one of these. link to the previous thread, relevent links to the thread, and maybe "i can't think of an edition edition" either at the start or the end of the pasta.

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>>5877474
Most generals have a set OP, for example, for TwoKinds it would be:

TwoKinds General: Natani x Keith Edition

>[Link to the latest Page]

>[Link to the Comic/Archive]

>[Link to Tom's Twitter]

>[Write bin if anyone writes fics]

And any links that may be needed are added.

>>5877794
I could probably set one up real quick, the only problem is that I have no idea what links to add

>>5877020

This thread has been on life support several times already, and it's just the first thread. There's nowhere near enough posters and content to justify shitting up the board with yet another General.

A far better solution would be a bi-weekly thread or something.

>>5878307
Not that guy, but that's what I was thinking. I was just throwing ideas around if that were to become a reality and we shed our Iron Lung and actually have an active amount of people

Well, while we're on the topic of Twokinds, anyone have any fanfictions, preferably lemons of it?

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>>5878307
Actually it's the 2nd thread.

desuarchive.org/trash/thread/4660937/

>>5883311
I could possibly write one, depending on who you want to be 'lemoned'

>>5885591
Natani of course.

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tell me about trace, why does he wear the blue triangle?
also pic related is new comic.

>>5885591
Trace and keith actually

>>5889236
I had an idea for a Keith x Natani lewd I could possibly do, I just have no idea where to place it story wise and what they should do with the lemons

>>5893600
I'm not too big of a fan of that, sorry.

>>5895046
Just place it on the ship voyage.

Can't go wrong with ship voyages.

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>>5896290
I was thinking of a tavern after their ship got btfo'd but now I think that won't happen with today's update. I might just do it anyway because fuck it.

I'll probably get around to it on Friday maybe, tomorrow if I'm feeling good.

>>5800984
kek what a slut

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>>5891732
Well, at least now she's more open with her affections.
Now if we could just nail out that one, small thing

>>5898593
Anon, why do you want them to fuck already when they are just starting their relationship?

>>5899659
>he doesn't fuck on the second date
how to spot a virgin loser in 1 simple step.

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>>5899659
>>5899729
>Not writing a fic of the two boning
baka

i still can't believe the fucker who makes this is markiplier's brother

>>5903969
Do they even talk to each other? Like, I rarely ever hear Mark mention him when he talks about his family or his past. You think they try to separate their internet lives, less Mark gets called out for having a furry brother, and the brother gets egged on for having a rich and famous brother.

>>5899729
Guess this has to do with Flora and Trace having sex already and only half of the group are virgins.

>>5903969

Holy shit, I had no idea and I never would have imagined.

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>>5904100
>Do they even talk to each other?

Yes.

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>people that know Mark before Tom

>>5904982
Didn't Natani do stuff with Zen when her first heat hit?

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>>5906816
>people

>>5909580
Then... what are they?

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>>5891732
This is the worse kiss scene i've seen so far.
>mfw he put more effort for the ear slap gag

>>5908790
Don't think so. She locked herself in the ship to not screw Keith.

>>5913696
Well I just looked through the heat part and not a single mention of Zen "helping her out" so I guess I'm just retarded.
Coulda sworn there was a part where she said something along those lines.

>>5905801
That, and they played a game with each other on Marks channel. Something to do with fantasy stuff I think.

>>5914833
Think it was Orcs Must Die.

>>5913214
>2016
>not realizing the whole point of that scene was the chin touch

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>>5921592
Still calling her Queen.

>>5913214
They had already kissed, this was just a small peck to reaffirm their relationship. The important thing IS the ear-slap gag because now -they- know.

>>5914407
Nope, you were probably just thinking with your penis.

However, thanks to their metal link, if either of them masturbated they would both feel it.