Did the Holocaust happen?

Did WW2 happen?

>>11501752
Uh, yeah.
Proof:The metric fuckton of ash and bodies, the firsthand accounts of millions, both perpetrators and victims, the camps, and the fact that only loonies on the internet will ever say otherwise.

Yes,

If the holocaust really is a lie that means EVERY SINGLE person who had an eye witness account is a liar.

Every. One.

That's pretty goddamn unlikely.

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Did Hiroshima happen?

>That's the level of stupid we are seeing here.

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>>11501752

>>11501752
Unquestionably yes it did happen, there is some disagreement about minor details but universal agreement among historians that it did in fact occur. This is due to the very extensive number of primary sources.

Were a bunch of jews shot and starved? Yes.
Was it 6,000,000? Doubtful.
Were they gassed, ovened, turned into soap/lampshades, or any of that weird shit? No. That's just Jews trying to get you to feel sorry when no one gives a fuck.

>>11502967
>>>/pol/

Try cracking open a book some time retard.

>>11501752
Yes, but not to the extreme degree that it has been held too. Around 1.2 million jews died during the course of the holocaust from both direct execution from both the nazis and russian NKVD units, and malnutrition and disease from lack of care within the ghettos and camps.
The total number of casualties has been contested and re-evaluated countless times, several eyewitness reports have been found to have been falsified, the Germans burned a great deal of Intel in the days leading to the end of the war, and some of the malnutrition has been found to have been a result of allied bombing of supply lines.
No one can seemingly come to agree on what exactly was the grand total of destruction of Jewish property or livelihood, yes, the nazis rounded up and exacted people.
There were death camps.
there were mass graves.
But zyklon B was, in fact, for the treatment of lice.

>>11502967
>turning filth into soap
biased

>>11501752
It hasn't, unfortunately...

>>11501752
Kinda.

>>11502967
>>11503042
going to need sources fellas

>>11503023
You think I can't read, nigger? OP asked the question. Which books? The ones of accounts of "victims" who have admitted to making shit up, or history books that give some boilerplate reference without any further research?

Why are their so many "survivors" anyway? It's almost like they weren't even trying.

>>11501752
"6 million jews died in those camps!"
Tattoos only go up to 6 digits

try harder shills

>>11503151
I recommend "The Holocaust: the fate of European Jewry, 1932-1945" by Leni Yahil

It covers the anti-semitic activities of the Nazis all over the globe, spends a lot of time refuting common myths about the Holocaust, including the perception that Jews went peacefully to their deaths.

>>11503185
>6 million jews died in those camps
no one claims this, many who were killed never made it to the camps

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>>11501752

>>11503189
Please don't post (((fiction))) in this thread

>>11501752
About 5.5-6.5 million Jews died. Around 12 million in total if you count Roma, Slavs, etc.

These numbers are undeniable to anyone who gazes at the mountains of evidence.

Deniers who downplay or deny said numbers have no motive other than hate.

>>11503227
This article does not properly cite its sources, that makes it bad historical scholarship and therefore suspect. Where did Einar Aberg make this supposed claim?

>>11503201
>no one claims this
...really nigger?

>>11501752
I wish.

>>11503263
Have a (((you)))

>>11503257
I used to be able to laugh off open anti-semitism, but now it just makes me sad.

>>11503267
12 million people were killed in the holocaust, most of them did not die in death camps

>>11503281
>wishing for genocide
edgy, very edgy

murder is wrong

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>>11502967

>Muh' 600,000,000,000 gorillian Jews died...
>For 600,000,000,000,000 bor'jillian years
>In 600,000,000,000,000,000 bork'tillion different genocides
>In 600,000,000,000,000,000,000 in Larp'ation dimensions
>And lost 600,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 SME'KLES!!!
>The worst part...
>The SME'KLES WERE LOST!!!

>>11503294
if you have nothing to add just don't post

>>11501752
Sure.
but the real problem?
They didn't catch em all

>>11503100
>>11503333
We shall allow the digits to determine the truth.

>>11503227
So I just looked up this Eniar Aberg used as a source in your article. He was a Swedish nazi collaborator, and founder of an anti-jewish political party who was arrested 6 times for defamation. Also not a professional historian.

That seems like a biased and unreliable source to me.

>>11503295
This is bait by the way, do not reply to this post

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>>11503333
frankly they had no hope to win the war without jew science

>>11503295
>12 million
wew lads

I have to ask. Are you Jewish?

>>11503368
>Beliving anything you read on kikepedia
fuck off

>>11503394
...the nukes were a German inovation

>>11503397
notice i said 12 million PEOPLE, not just jews

it frustrates me the way people often forget about all the other groups that were targetted by the nazi regime's murderous hatred. Jews, gypsies, soviet POWs, homosexuals, the mentally ill, and political opponents of naziism were all murdered on an industrial scale unlike anything seen before in human history.

And since you asked I was born jewish. I'm also an atheist, and consider my american identity FAR more important than being jewish, I haven't even participated in a temple ritual for over a decade. But despite how much I don't care about my own religion the nazis still would have murdered me for it if they could have. The idea that people can support that kind of murderous ideology is beyond sickening to me.

>>11503100
Underrated

>>11503420
Can you prove otherwise? What are some books published by him that are regarded as unbiased by historians?

>>11503151
AND there it is, the full retard comes out.

>>11503462
Figures, we missed a spot.
Heimlich,
fetch the flammenwerfer.

>LARPing as a nazi

>>11503462
Sniffed out another rat

>>11501752
Mabey

>>11503541
there's really no question that it happened

>>11503462
Go count some more nickels goldstein

>>11503567
>he says, wiping the sweat off his brow
try harder, ya expired toaster strudel

>>11503595
Are you a professional historian? How careful a study have you made of primary sources regarding the holocaust?

Are you even 18?

>>11503462
Kike, I'M FULL BLOODIED HEBREW.
the holocaust has been GREATLY exaggerated in regards to jewish hardship.
and most of the Jewish mass muders were enacted by the Red army

>>11501752
>is the Earth round?

>>11502667
>>11502967
>>11503042
>>11503151
>>11503227
>>11503651
Trying to educate (((THEM)))
Your doing it wrong

>>11501752
Did the British army massacre millions of Indian loyalists?
Did the U.S. army kill hundreds of thousands of German P.O.W.s through starvation?
Did The allies kill indigenous Africans during the campaign to fight Romal?
Did the Russian army slaughter untold numbers of people?
Did China invade japan?
The answer to all these queations, and your own, is yes.

>>11503658
People will even disagree with you on that one. For a lot of people scientific facts don't matter as much as /feelings/, especially when you bring a topic into politics like it was done with global warming (regulations vs free market), the theory of evolution (religious education vs sciencific education) and of course the holocaust (failure of right ideology vs own right ideology).

The second politics come into play people throw away facts and substitute them with their own alternative facts which just so happen to perfectly support their worldview (That many Jews didn't die. They even lived pretty well there. They are just saying these things to guilt us, because they truly are bad people.).
People go to extreme lengths to deny facts that don't fit their ideologies, even when the proof is right in front of their eyes. Ironically, the more facts you present them, the stronger is their belief that you are wrong and they are right (the backfire effect).
What an age we live in.

>>11503462
>notice i said 12 million PEOPLE
Even the jews admit they made up 5 million goy death as part of the holocaust, to make the goyim care more about what jews actually did die.

>>11503822
[citation needed]

>>11503758
>Did China invade japan?
to what do you refer

>>11503810
nobody in this thread is an actual holocaust denier, they're all LARPers because they think pretending to be a nazi is just hilarious

>>11503882
I hope you are right, but I don't have enough faith in humanity to believe it.

>>11503882
Yo Anon, I’m really happy for you, Imma let you finish but the Nazi Party had one of the greatest ideologies of all time…one of the greatest ideologies of all time!

>>11503882
Wait, we're joking?

>>11501752
yes, but the 6million aren't entirely jews, you see they also had poles, slavs, gypsies, fags, lesbos and c*mmies in concentration camps and labor camps.

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>>11504002
you'd have to be quite foolish to actually hate people based on what religion their grandparents had, its all quite arbitrary

>>11503991
Explain to me what was so great about it, all I see is that it led to the deaths of tens of millions and destroyed their own country. What really gets me is when people pretend the nazis were white supremacists, they weren't. They were GERMAN supremacists, the nazis themselves killed millions of white people because they considered them inferior.

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>>11504002
>I share a board with people who are literally too retarded to realize /pol/ is satire
I can't believe how accurate this quote is.

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>>11503860
>It is, however, a number without any scholarly basis.

>Indeed, say those close to the late Nazi hunter Simon Wiesenthal, its progenitor, it is a number that was intended to increase sympathy for Jewish suffering but which now is more often used to obscure it.

http://www.jta.org/2017/01/31/news-opinion/united-states/remember-the-11-million-why-an-inflated-victims-tally-irks-holocaust-historians

>>11504179
posting an mspaint comic like that weakens your position, don't do that

interesting article though

>>11504266
The mspaint picture is semi-relevant. In any case, what I said was true. Death numbers in the holocaust were greatly exaggerated for propaganda purposes and are today being taught as fact.

>>11503810
>People will even disagree with you on that one.
I thought flat-earthers were ironic.

>>11504332
I'll need to do more research on that but its only talking about numbers of non-jews. As for the number of jews it comes from a 1946 British government inquiry which was set up with the specific intent of discrediting Jewish immigration to Palestine and downplaying the Holocaust. It was headed by centre-right, non-Jewish, senior judges, civil servants and diplomats from America and the UK.

Its reluctant findings estimated the number of Jewish victims from the Holocaust at 5.7 million...

Germany - 195,000
Austria - 53,000
Czechoslovakia - 255,000
Denmark - 1,500
France - 140,000
Belgium - 57,000
Luxemburg - 3,000
Norway - 1,000
Holland - 120,000
Italy - 20,000
Yugoslavia - 64,000
Greece - 64,000
Bulgaria - 5,000
Romania - 530,000
Hungary - 200,000
Poland - 3,271,000
USSR - 1,050,000

Total Number Jews Killed - 5,721,500
http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/angcov.asp

>>11504467
You'll actually find the six million figure show up in newspapers dating to before WWII even started, as a sort of shorthand for 'all the jews in europe'.

>>11504514
ok, never heard of that before, where did you see that?

but anyway the study I posted is where the 6 million figure came from

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>>11503023
yeah because books which millions of people believe in have never been wrong about anything *coughTheBiblecough* and people never make mistakes or fall for propaganda in a war.
killing lots of jews happened, however if you are afraid to question it, you will never know the truth.

>>11504392
I am afraid they are not. They are conspiracy theorists, and religious ones at that because the bible also claims that the earth is flat, hence all scientific evidence is invalid and NASA is faking everything.
You can show them as many models, calculations and explanations and pictures as you like, they will always find something to criticize and then insult you for being a blind sheep or shill. These guys will never be able to return back to a normal life. They have told all of their friends and family about their conspiracy theory and spent countless of hours defending and researching it. They identify very strongly with being some kind of enlightened truth seeker that has risen above the rest.
Having to admit that they were actually just doing crazy talk all along and wasted years of their lives on a worthless pursuit would absolutely shatter their sense of self. I highly doubt anyone could bear that kind of pain and change. So the only other option is self-delusion no matter the cost. It's always the more energy-efficient alternative as it keeps the status-quo.

Don't be silly

fabricated by the jews

>>11503042

Source on the Zyklon B please.

Otherwise, I don't really care about specifics. Over a million people of a specific ethnicity were killed because of their ethnicity, that qualifies as genocide.

>ITT: MUH 6 MILLION IS WRONG SO THE WHOLE THING IS FAKE

Nigger what planet do you live on where that makes sense. Nobody actually cares about the specific figure so long as it's still a huge number of people.

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>>11504661
no one is stopping you from questioning anything, but if you want to be taken seriously you'll have to examine it properly like a historian. That means looking at primary sources, and the primary sources overwhelmingly support the conventional narrative.

>>11501752
yes but the numbers are exaggerated

>>11502967
Best post

>>11502967
>Was it 6,000,000? Doubtful.
it was
except every other people were included in that number
east country prisonners, gays and everyone cought by the gestapo

>>11508075
not really that great of a post, he says
>was it 6,000,000 doubtful
without giving any reason as to why he doubts the conventional narrative, that's not good historical scholarship

>>11508100
neither is this, the 6,000,000 number comes from this study right here>>11504467 which does not include prisoners gays and others caught by gestapo

>>11503131
HAHA FUNNY JOKE LMAO XD XD

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>>11503227
It's funny how you retards idolise the Nazis for doing something you deny happened. Even the people you love so much admitted to doing it.

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>>11504661
Your parents must be so proud of you.

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>>11504661
>comparing a non historical religious text written between 2700 and 1900 years ago to modern historical scholarship about an event that happened less than 80 years ago, of which there are innumerable primary sources and many eye witnesses who are still alive.
you're just pretending to be retarded right?

>>11501752
It didn't happen, but it need to happen again.

>>11508551
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1yzoiUIGGs

>>11501752
Who gives a shit.
People die during wars.

>>11501752
Who gives a fuck.

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>>11503100
B A I S E D D U B S

This is now a Nazi gril thread, post pics of babes dressed in superior Hugo Boss

Disregard zionist posts
hide zionist posts
do not reply to zinoist posts

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>>11508864

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>>11508871

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>>11508879

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>>11508891

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Certainly not like it has been told, and even if it was, with such intentions as to be inefficient as possible. Whether it did or didn't, I don't care. Jews are smarmy, hypocritical, and agents of chaos, who when viewed under a rational mindset, want omnicide. It's a shame they didn't all die, in either case.

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>>11508542
because modern historical scholarship has never been wrong. Why then did they change the plaque outside auschwitz from 4 million to 1.5 million? why wasn't the 6 million figure adjusted accordingly? you're just pretending to be retarded right?

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>>11508967

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>>11508978
>Tfw no gestapo gf
Just gas me bruh

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>>11508992
14/88

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>>11501752
Yes
and we need another one

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>>11509024

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>>11509057

>>11503462
Post pics of your nose

>>11501752
nothing happened before i was born so no

>>11502967
NNNNNNNAAAAAAAAAZZZZZZZZZZZZIIIIIIIIIIIIII

>>11508948
>Why then did they change the plaque outside auschwitz from 4 million to 1.5 million?
Because new evidence emerged that less people than originally thought died at that camp, it had nothing to do with the overall number of dead, the two are unrelated. Didn't you just say before that it's a lie because the narrative can't be questioned? Now you're saying it's a lie because the narrative was questioned in response to new evidence and changed.

>>11508909
Ow the edge, you want to kill millions because of an accident of birth. You're no different from some insufferable black nationalist saying to kill all white people because white people did slavery.

>>11509533
I literally did not claim otherwise. Contrary to popular belief, doing unto those that they wish to do to you works. For that matter, as does killing. Especially killing. A wise man removes his problems rather than treats them.

Ebin.

>>11510074
Murder is wrong anon, just figured I'd remind you of that. Unless you think it's ok for others to murder you because they don't like the color of your skin.

>>11511442
Might makes right. Shits fucked, but that truth will literally never change. Somebody wants to try, they can fucking try. I want the longest peace. Browns are literally incapable of that. Let everyone die. Asians will inherit the will of humanity.

>>11512187
you must be 18 or older to post here

>>11501752
In about 50-70 years we will have 9/11 deniers

>>11513056
I'm in my twenties. You'll get it one day, kid. Or not. Most don't. If I have a gun, you don't, fuck you. It's that simple. People who pretend otherwise are immature. It doesn't even have to be that traditional. Perhaps that's where you all get hung up? It doesn't literally have to be a gun. It could be as simple as something you want or even don't that I have. Try not to be so retarded, at least for your own sake.

>>11513409
Would you be fine with other people murdering you just because they could?

>>11513197
there have been 9/11 conspiracy theorists since very shortly after the events themselves
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loose_Change

I remember first encountering stuff like this in 2003.

>>11513492
I would defend myself, yes, for whatever that would amount to. I think you misunderstand. I'm not being opinionated in this, I'm being technical. There is literally nothing else in morality other than the ability to do something well. Force is just the most common option. What I or you think does actually fucking matter if you can't back it up in one way or another. The gun analogy is just simple to understand but also literally true as opposed to metaphorically true.

>>11513726
so what if right now someone shot you with a sniper rifle and ran away into the night, you think there's nothing wrong with that and there should be no consequences? I mean he got around your defenses after all.

>>11513726
>does
doesn't*
Eh. I fucked up. You play the victor, I suppose. Back to eating salty crackers and watching, "big pornz.exe".
>>11513882
I honestly don't know how you're all so stupid. It's literally not an opinion. This is not something that can be argued. It doesn't matter what I think in that case. Neither would it for you if reversed. Then the cops get involved as they have more force therein more morality. If he kills them, the army. So on and so forth. It's the president, congressman, and soldier analogy. Why would the soldier listen to either when they're saying to shoot the other when he's the one with the gun?

I don't care anymore. As I said, I've crackers and big pornz to watch. If you've not figured this shit already without my help you're just delusional, for better or worse. Better for me, worse so for you. Worse for me maybe because living in a mad world is mad.

>>11503462
Based goldenstaying

>>11508122
Every fucking years (((WE))) remember the Holocaust and always adding deaths

>>11502006
woke af

>>11503100
Kek

>>11501752
Nope

>>11514076
how about lets just not call for murder of people based on arbitrary factors they didn't choose, like the religion they were born into, can we agree on that?

>>11514140
Tell me, have you made much serious study of the subject by looking at the primary sources? Or are you just repeating something you think you heard someone say?

>>11516728
Nobody is born believing anything.

>>11516728
https://youtu.be/lITBGjNEp08

>>11508909
>Jews are smarmy, hypocritical, and agents of chaos, who when viewed under a rational mindset, want omnicide.
You just described Hitler's little fan club you idolise so much.

>>11510074
>A wise man removes his problems rather than treats them.
Killing yourself would be wise then.

as real as the moon landing

>>11518468
You are incorrect on both account. You're just another stupid child. Take your hurt feelings and go.

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>>11501752
Of course, why would anybody disagree?