are centrists the new athiests?

>>11466385
/pol/ posters have a lot in common with the athiests of yesteryear

*centrist voice* okay now let's listen to your reason why you think the political party you do not belong to is actually doing that and you're not just so desperate to disagree with them that you actually make up more things to disagree on

>>11466385
>Leftists: Ugh, why do you listen to those nazis? Have an opinion for once and follow everything we tell you
>Right-wing: Ugh, why do you listen to those commies? Have an opinion for once and listen to everything we tell you
That's it. That's their arguments

This isn't how centrism works fucking hell people can't even read 3 paragraphs on wikipedia to clear this shit up.

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>>11467543
>expecting people to read about and understand a person's beliefs that do not conform to their own
What utopia do you live in?

>>11467543
Left wing activists use exaggeration, lies and emotional abuse to get their way. Toxic femininity.

>>11466385
>right wants to cure gender dysphoria like the mental illness it is
>zomg you hear that they want to kill them!! FUCKING NAZIS!!

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>>11466385
>americans only have two political parties
>they consider this perfectly reasonable

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>>11468943
>Implying they have the brain capacity to understand the complexities that is life with millions of fucking people without it being summarized into pretty colors

>>11467543
I think he's using the term 'centrist' to refer to the sceptic / classic-liberal community who, although still opposing the right (and especially the 'alt-right') don't buy into the ultra-tribalism 'believe everything we say without question or you're one of *them*' stuff the S.J.W. crowd are spewing.

>>11467663
Right wing activists use exaggeration, lies, and emotional abuse to get their way. Toxic masculinity.

>>11469352
No, they sperg about god/fedoras and shove a billion links in your face.

>>11469352 >>11467663

How about we just call it being an asshole instead of trying to assign it to a gender?

>>11469412
Because passive aggression is a primarily feminine behavior where as active aggression and violence is a primarily masculine behavior.

>Non-centrists: If you're not on our side, you are on the other side. No exceptions.

>>11466385
on side one: Kill all dogs
on side two: Kill all cats
Radical Centrist:Kill a reasonable amount of dogs and a reasonable amount of cats
Truly Enlightened: Lets just end this debate once and for all and just fucking kill all the cats and dogs

>>11469387
>shove a billion links in your face.
Boy, I just love getting linked to a bunch of literally who Youtube channels and blogs and mspaint diagrams (sourced from Brietbart, the Heritage Foundation and a bunch of literally who Youtube channels and blogs)
Niggles my neurons every time

>>11470738
If they kept to their sourced diagrams I'd be less upset, but those fucks start frothing at the mouth going "Look!! 100% proof that our white race are far superior to your's!!!!" and then they post a human skull next to a fucking neanderthal and expect us not to do a simple google search to prove them wrong. If your ideology runs on facts, at least check those facts

What's it called when you think politics is really gay and have whatever opinion you want?

>>11471205
A holier-than-thou contrarian that needs to conform to the masses or be sent to the gulag/gas chamber

What are you when you disagree with leftists, righties AND centrists?

>>11471727
Alt-Centrist

>>11471703
Fuck your gas chambers, gulags and helicopters. Just let me live in peace.

>>11471742
>Not wanting to die from the hands of the glorious Gul-gas-copter 1000
Shame on you

>>11471764
Why would somebody gas a man before throwing him out of a chopper?

>>11471785
Oh no, we're not monsters. The gas is only to paralyze him when he refuses to work so his descent from the copter is much more humane

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>>11466385
There is nothing an extremist hates more than a moderate. It has always been that way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLNhPMQnWu4

I dislike Trump.

>>11466987
NAZI DRUMPFTARD RACIST SEXIST FASCIST!!!

>>11470691
what do you call someone that just says to not kill anything then???

>>11471795
its a bane ref you fucking retard

>>11468943
>Europeans have only two party coalitions
>they consider this perfectly reasonable
in the end our political systems suck in the same ways

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me on the right

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>Don't like all of the left's beliefs
>Same with the right
>agree with both on different issues
>Somehow because I don't identify with one party and mesh my beliefs with theirs, this is grounds for belittlement

Why do I have to be lumped into a side when it comes to politics? I just wanna live my life, go work my shitty job so I can use the money to play video games and shit until I kill myself. I've never noticed anything change because of the president and if it did it obviously wasn't so important since it went unnoticed. Being a white dude helps I guess, I'm also bi but it never comes up unless I'm trying to get with a dude.

>>11472013
that's why the only issue I care about is gun ownership

>>11466385
*Tips fencedora*

>>11466385
They are, in the sense that it's a reasonable idea that's overrun by insufferable faggots who piss all over the concept with their shitty behaviour. Not to mention fifth columnists like that faggot in the OP, who are actually on one side, but pretend they're not as long as they can seem reasonable, and thus pretend that following the wishes of one party exclusively is actually a centrist standpoint.

And no-one really agrees where the centre lies, anyway. I've had people tell me that parties I consider left are centre, and parties I consider centre are right. And it's mostly based on that personal preference, and personally considering shit reasonable. Because the party they consider centre sure as fuck isn't, and the party they consider right, they call right because it's a Christian party, which in Europe today has fuck-all to do with political side, if you ask me.

In short, if I had to trust said left wing party as a "centre" opinion, I might as well just pack it in. Not going to happen. In everything they do, they're basically just another flavour of social democrat. No shit social democrats like to push them forward as a centre party.

>>11472013
FUCK YOU FUCVKIING NAZI DRUMPFTARD RACIST FASCIST FUCK!!! DIEEE!!!!!

>>11467686
Do many right-wingers even know what gender dysphoria is? If you look at the rhetoric of the American right (as well as the rates of violence against trans people), I'm pretty sure most social conservatives think trannies are just dangerous perverts that need to have the fear of god put into them.

>>11466385
What is my political views aren't really centered but I'm just a sensible fucking human being who thinks the modern Western system is actually pretty good and just wants to live a peaceful life without all this petty bullshit?

>>11474646
if*

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>>11466385
I prefer the term "independent"

>>11473640
Most aren't dangerous, but I've never encountered a tranny who wasn't significantly more of a perv (and more in your face about it) than average. Also, most of them hate themselves despite indulging their illness.

>>11474816
Coming out as trans requires a lot of sexual liberation already, it makes sense they'd beat the average. You're basing your judgment on the ones you can tell.

>most of them hate themselves
You don't know how depression works

>>11466385
What is it called to be primarily one-sided but take beliefs from the other side for certain situations?

>>11475102

Pragmatic?

>>11467686
>>right wants to cure gender dysphoria like the mental illness it is
I'm left-wing and I want to cure gender dysphoria like the mental illness it is

>>11475102
Cowardly

>>11469387
>a billion links in your face

grrr i hate proof grrr

>>11475609
Sorry mate, you have to meet all the criteria to be left-wing:
-Communist
-Gay
-Not white (or ashamed to be)
-80% male or less
-Hate the cishet
-LGBTQA+ friendly

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I thought being a centrist meant doing shit on a case by case basis and not doing sweeping generalizations

>>11475003
>Coming out as trans requires a lot of sexual liberation already
Why? Being trans has nothing to do with sex as in copulation, it's body dysphoria.

>You don't know how depression works
How did you determine that based on what he said?

>>11475832
Nice try retard

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>>11475859
This is something that extremists don't understand because for them politics is just a rigidly defined dogmatic religion that you're never allowed to deviate from on any issue or the others will tear you to pieces

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>>11476036
He was joking.

>>11471785
>>11471795
Fucking lel>>11471900

>>11475859
Assuming that the truth is somewhere in the middle and that all sides have merit IS a sweeping generalization.

>>11476070
Jesus man, at least come up with new stuff when trying to say "ever1 is dum but me". That one is older than walking forwards.

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>>11476155
Except you just put fucking words in his mouth about what centrism is, he never said "the truth is somewhere in the middle and all sides have merit," he just said that centrists tend to judge issues case-by-case rather than adhering to any specific ideology. We're only in the middle because people take sides. I'm a left-leaning centrist myself, I'm in favor of welfare and higher taxes to fund public programs, but at the same time I'm strongly against excessive gun control laws primarily because most of the time the people making such laws have zero knowledge of guns and as such put out nonsensical bullshit like "no pistol grips on shotguns because they look scary."

I'm not saying everyone is dumb but me, but the people like you who hate centrists for whatever fucking reason are certainly fucking retarded. We only have a two party system because our voting methods are overly simplistic and a two party system is the inevitable result of it no matter how many parties we started with. Lots of people (e.g. Bernie Sanders or Donald Trump) who do not actually fit into either political party have no choice but to throw in with one of them despite having a great number of values and beliefs at odds with the party line, because if they don't, there's no chance in hell they'll ever win any fucking election.

>>11466385
No and ideologues on either side populate the internet so they think that people not having a major opinion in uncommon like that stupid piece of shit's commentary. A "centrist" probably would have an opinion on polarizing garbage like trannies but they fall to the center of actual issues. I believe in compromise and that means demonization on both sides.

I think I Know what the deal is
Alt Left person: Let's ban all guns
Alt Right person: Let's keep all guns no restrictions
Centrist: Why don't we still follow the laws and allow people to have guns, but use reasonable security for weapons to not repeat events where insane people kill people

People on either Alt-Prefix have straight forward arguments, all this or all that. Having a centrist opinion while more correct in certain arguments, is more difficult to provide evidence that can work. The extremist options have no room for change, while the centrist option can almost change definition. People love extremist options because they can just spew whatever they want, and it enrages people so much it gets them attention

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>>11476209
>he never said "the truth is somewhere in the middle and all sides have merit,"
That's because that's what centrism necessarily entails, as the opinions you list show. This is no more "putting words into his mouth" than if I said he thinks the sky is blue.

I'll elaborate. The issue isn't with the argument to moderation itself. It can be a perfectly viable opinion, depending on the topic. The issue is that American authorities have mastered the science of soft social control, and they know very well that stances akin to pacifism, neutrality, centrism etc. are, by definition, pro-status quo (or pro-change, if you're in the middle of a revolt or somesuch, which is another topic entirely). Thus, in order to defend the system, the pundits, think-tanks, spooks and such don't strictly need to push public discourse extremely into their own direction -- it's enough to reduce every issue to a matter of debate or, at most, placard protests, and invite all (two) sides (implied to have the same merit) to the table and have this neat appearance of reason and inclusivity. Except the real point of this is to stall change that might hurt the elite, or to introduce as sensible some utterly outrageous policy, or generally to dismiss any and all putatively "radical" change. In other words, it's to give you an illusion of participation in democracy while robbing you of it. The key to soft social control is to have an extremely limited range of topics being debated, but allow the most wild positions on them. The result is people radicalized on what are mostly wedge issues (this or that rifle ban, trans bathrooms, all other sorts of bullshit) collectively called culture war, but sadly completely ignorant about important topics (deindustrialization, wage stagnancy since the 70s etc.). And in this balancing act, neutral positions such as centralism are fundamental as they favor the side that is already winning (or already won, rather) under a mask of impartiality.

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>>11474678
>Seath
>Glasses
>Ura faget
Got a chuckle

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>>11476502
>Alt Left

>>11476077
Sure he was

Want to see why centrism is getting a bad rap, look for "rational skeptics" on Youtube and shit. They are the stereotypical smarmy centrists.

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>>11476866
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gb9NM-3auyk
This is the first thing I got

>>11476846
Buzzwords!

>>11476717
My kneejerk reaction to this was to call you a conspiracy theorist fucktard, but then i reread it and realized that I actually mostly agree with what you're saying. If I really think both sides are full of shit I'm still buying into the narrative that there's two sides. And I just ranted that it's more complex than that. I only really adopted the label of "centrist" for lack of a better one, but I aleo donct want to be one of those assholes who are like "you cant like label shit maaaaaan *bong rip*" so I guess my real position is that much like you I think the system is fucked and we need to revise it.

People want easy answers and intellectual shortcuts and I have to keep in mind I'm no different. Fuck.

this whole thread is only proving that the "sides" in modern western politics these days are batshit insane

>>11480670
Maybe we're all just crazy

>>11479660
>some individuals are certainly worth more than others
Hope he's not implying that unequal distribution of wealth contributes something to society.

>>11479660
This is literally >>11466385 but flipped

>>11481208
The incentive to work, create, and innovate in order to accrue said wealth.

>>11481452
It's nothing like that. The OP is meant to imply that only one side deserves to be heard and that even giving the other side the pretense of legitimacy is ludicrous and condones hate speech. >>11479660 implies that the two sides really are different and that the centrist is proposing a false equivalency between them. Although it does portray an idealized view of one side and a semi lampooning of the other.

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>>11479660
Nice try retard. The only people who get butthurt about the truth are /pol/tards in denial about how they are right-wing SJWs.

>>11484452
Y-you're in denial because its the opposite of what I believe!!

>>11484496
Stay butthurt, chump.

who cares

The big flaw with centrism is that it considers the current status quo to be the center of the entire political spectrum. Overton window is constantly shifting one way or another. History has shown over and over that centrists are probably the least rational group of people and will go apeshit to the point of nearly destroying society if they feel any threat to the status quo. Nazis are especially good at preying on these fears so centrists love to hook up their trailer to em.

>>11474816

Ok, and that matters that they're more of a perv why? This whole "demonizing sexuality" shit has gotten old as fuck and the only conceivable reason I can see behind it is some irrational fear that some unseen entity is going to be a little miffed.

Like some people will probably being up STDs but I can guarantee you if a good portion of the population gets HIV, that shit will get cured damn quick. I mean hell, it's not even a death sentence anymore, we can treat it, and if you use proper protection the chances of you contracting it are obscenely low anyway.

I mean sure, have some tact and don't start talking about how hard you got rammed in the ass to strangers, but that just relies on you not being autistic.

>>11475102

Rational.

>>11482614

>being born in to money and doing nothing but run up the score and contribute nothing besides meme-y Twitter posts is the same as working an actual job doing actual work

It honestly confuses me why so many people in my field think Trump is a "man of the people" despite having never done a day of actual labor himself.

>>11466385
In that they are massively misrepresented by an otherwise insignificant ultra-loud minority of people who don't actually get the point? No, not yet or not anymore, at least.
In that most people heavily misunderstand the fundamental points of centrism and mock them in extremely perfidious and childish ways with extremely fallacious arguments and would rather do that than to do the minimal amount of effort to try to understand their points, all that regardless of their own ideology or affiliation? Yes.

But if you're talking about fedora-tippers, no, those stereotypes actually fit better with both
the extreme so-called lefts and rights of today.

>>11490802
You gotta give him credit, the guy is really good at marketing (read:scamming).
Also, the survivorship bias; people, specially amreicans, believe that if someone is rich is because they actually worked for it and are so smart that everything they say it's true, these people (who clearly don't know the real value of hard work) then use this power to sell the idea that everyone who is poorer than them is because they are stupid or lazy (because that's why they honestly believe, since they had it so easy). In a country were so many people got so rich with such little effort and so little meddling in from the government, yeah, you can't expect anything different.

>>11490955

Sounds about right. Though I will admit a good number of the people I've talked to were really less for Trump and more against Hillary, which I completely understand, fuck Hillary, but in all honesty this situation never should have happened, we should have reworked the voting system after 2000 when Florida ended up being the deciding vote in bush v gore. It was apparent by then that if you didn't live in a swing state, your voice didn't matter, moreso if you weren't in the majority party.

We've figured out that nothing is black and white, but we still can't figure out how to get different options on our ballots.

Extremists are a disguating, deplorable bunch that will stick to their indoctrination regardless whether it makes sense or gives any actual benefits.
If we silence one side, we must do the same to the other because otherwise the balance ia broken and there cannot be any discussion, there is only 1 side forcing their policies onto others until democracy has been torn down and they can make their idiotic utopia where they can kill everyone that disagrees with them without having to put on a mask and pretend they care about all people.

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Centrists are weak idiots that virtue signal instead of taking sides because one day they may actually have to back up their words with action. The ultimate attention seeking pussy bitches.

>>11466987
>>Follow everything we tell you
>>Listen everything we tell you

Really activates my almonds

>>11498478
That's what I've gathered from witnessing Tumblr/4chan activity for a few weeks. Some Tumblr groups have a vice-grip clique mentality, meanwhile certain 4chan users use non-political threads as a soapbox if a poster so much as mentions a direction that isn't up or down.

>>11466385
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JB_omHQwYh8

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>>11493075
>not being a loud, massive faggot who thinks an entire race should die because reasons is attention-seeking

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>>11466385
>are centrists the new athiests?

It's people that like to imagine themselves above the fray, operating on a higher plane than those grubby political types, who've turned argumentum ad temperantiam into an ideology.

I'm reminded of all the very smart and serious non-partisan people that said quantitative easing was going to cause hyperinflation.

>>11493075
Anyone who posts things like these just outs themselves as a retard. Back to /pol/ you triggered mirror-SJW.

>>11500097
>HORSESHOE THEORRRRRRRRRRRRRRYYYYY!!!!!!
>HORSESHOE THEORAAAAAAGUGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>11479603
I have to agree. Sorry if I came on too strong, it's just "centrism" always brings to my mind some South Park-like cheap appeal to moderation like, "You know Kyle, I learned something new today. Tackling this problem in any way is too extreme so we should leave things as they are and not jeopardize our personal comfort."

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>>11493075
I love these

>>11500979
>maybe if I repeat something I think he says angrily it'll make me right
>>>/v/

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>>11501176
>South Park

>>11500979
Thanks for proving me right, retard.

>>11474542
>tfw I'm beginning to unironically believe this

Come on people just pull your sticks out of your asses and treat each other like reasonable human beings for a change.

>>11471886
delusional

The only ones pushing this "centrist" meme are retarded idealogues who think that they've somehow cracked the code to the universe by sticking to one narrow-sighted worldview. Sure, there are some people who treat centrism like the same thing but that's an extremely small minority, and people who just don't want to hang with the freaks at either end of the modern political spectrum don't deserve to be tarred with the same brush.

if the world needs anything it's more transtrender white men who grew up in cities with cushy lives yet still feel persecuted

>>11466385
At this rate I'm gonna need to make it a copypasta.

I'll say here what I've said in other threads.
I think anti centrist memes and threads on 4chan are coming from Democrat shills. As until recently I've never heard anyone other than those autists say/imply IF UR NOT WITH ME UR AGAINST ME!

It's a basic tactic to try and distance your opponent from the masses and split them up.

We're on to you, (((niggerfaggot))).

>>11502949
>not the jew one
But of course.

Radical centrism.
Anyone who does not hold centrist opinions must die.

>Implying all issues are neatly polarized and that being centrist means abstaining from participating to said issue
It's like you want be fucked over.

>>11506270

>implying it's not the t_d redditards that invaded /pol/ and shat it all up

>>11490802
How did we go straight from basic economic theory to fuck trump? Trump is a business man and has created jobs and capital throughout his life. Twitter doesn't pay him to shitpost and every time he starts a new business venture he investa some of his money back into the economy stimulating growth and economic development that otherwise would not exist.

That's one of the things that "unequal distribution of wealth" contributes to society. Investment, opportunity, competition, incentive, etc... In a market economy everyone works for themselves, for the betterment of their own lives. They have an innate motivation to work and do not need to be compelled to work by threat of force which is the basic economic model in communism.

>>11507031

>communism implies threat of force

Someone got all their information on communism from cold war era propaganda...

Communism isn't about force. You work because you want to help the community. If you don't want to help, you leave.

>>11507065
>>11507065
North Koreans can just leave, the millions of dead in the usssr and China in the 20th century could have just left, when Hungary revolted the USSR didn't let them leave and didn't go in and squash it, etc... Don't expect a reply for a while, I have money to make.

>>11507031
There is no incentive in an American style system where getting the flu for a day means you lose all your money and get fired on the spot, and where giant supercorporations will destroy any even slightly successful venture unless it blindsides them in a bleeding edge field the suits don't understand

>>11507182

>implying totalitarianism is the only form of communism

Just /pol/ pretending peaceful communes never existed, as usual.

>>11507312

See, this, right here, is exactly why the government should be regulating corporations and the ancaps are fucking retarded.