How many furries are Trump supporters? How many are right wing?

Majority of furries are gay, so I can only assume that furry drumpftards are either contrarians or just retarded.

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>>11331540
More than you'd think. The majority of furries are already well-practiced at hiding their power levels to avoid being associated with the pride parade-tier furfaggotry. It stands to reason quite a few are hiding their political alignment too.

I've supported him ever since he destroyed Jeb bush

>>11331562
I think you can say that about any unironic trump supporter.
they fell for the memes lol

Not a furfag, libertarian capitalist though.

>corrupt Bitch in league with foreign guilds with intentions of destroying America
>Some cookiecutter white man who will at least try and keep America from falling to the abyss like Rome
Hmmmm

>>11336478
Fell for the memes

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>>11331562
This is you right now

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>>11331540

Use your headbone. Odds are it's an exact slip that more or less matches the demographics of the american voting population.

The living, legally registered ones I mean.

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>>11331540
I like how furfags are so bored of their own fandom they talk about politics all the time instead.

>>11331540
Didn't vote for him. Had and continue to have serious concerns. But he is POTUS now. So it's in the best interest of our country that he succeeds in office regardless of our feelings. This non-stop #resist BS isn't actually helping anyone. Just a smoke screen for Democrats not changing with the times and making a good policy platform. Yeah, Hildawg lost. Wasn't the right candidate. Maybe give Bernie some love next time around and stop bitching about low threshold, symbolic cyber attacks from the ruskies because you backed the wrong horse.. (End rant)

>>11331562
>Drumpf
>God that word is embarrassing can't wait to hear it again 24/7 in 2020
Yeah I voted him in I thought he was going to shake the political world up only to be a another neo con, I'm still going to vote for in cause of how it angers the alt left so much

>>11337670
I'm a eurofag, and the way people have been acting since Trump's win makes me more supportive of him than any of his policies. I'm just not sure if Western politics can be saved, because we're deadlocked in a state where people are completely unwilling to come to a compromise. We've been seeing it in Europe for years already.

>>11338040
>Yeah I voted him in I thought he was going to shake the political world up only to be a another neo con,

So you are about as intelligent as an African raping a baby to get rid of his AIDS.

Here is a way to get change - shoot yourself in the head. Massive upheaval.

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>>11331540
I swing to the right on a lot of things. Gun rights, strong national defense, well-armed police force, intelligently applied taxation, allowing price gouging.

On the other hand, I also support anti-trust legislation, am in favor of the Paris Agreement, feel the UN should be a strong force of centralized global authority, support voluntary euthanasia, and dislike the idea of increasing the use of wiretaps and electronic monitoring.
Dunno what that makes me, but I feel like Trump is unprofessional and dangerously inexperienced. Gods sake, my biggest complaint against Obama in his first term was his lack of political experience and general naivety, having only been a senator for a few years before jumping straight to the Oval Office. The fact that Trump is essentially a glorified real-estate broker disturbs me greatly. Not the Shillary is any better. I voted for John McAfee, if that counts for anything.

>>11338252
>I'm a eurofag, and the way people have been acting since Trump's win makes me more supportive of him than any of his policies

Non-partisans supporting people out of spite rather than hopes for a better future or society is normal, healthy and won't empower and spur even more extremism and distrust of non-partisans...

Do you people ever listen to yourselves and waht you're actually saying?

>>11338812
>Not the Shillary is any better.

You can't have an opinion or complaint about Trump now if you didn't vote for the only alternative.

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>>11338821
That's a stock line used to attack anyone that abstains from voting for ideological, moral, or personal reasons. Not voting is as valid a statement as voting. There's no reason to support any candidate if they expose rhetoric that contradicts your beliefs.

Either way, it's a moot point. I voted for McAfee.

>>11338848
>anyone that abstains from voting for ideological, moral, or personal reasons

Get raped.

You can't honestly say you're against rain if you didn't make the choice between "two inches of rain" and "one hundred inches of rain".

Only Clinton voters have a moral standing to criticize Trump. We knew best, and we still know best, and you owe us gratitude for giving you an example to follow and for trying to save you.

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>>11338868
>hillary supporters think she was the right choice MORALLY
>or in any way

Is this

The power of

#HerStory

>>11338915
DRUMPF
RUSSIA
RACIST
SEXIST
GRAB HER BY THE PUSSY
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
- Hillaryfags

>>11338812
>Not the Shillary is any better
Why?
95% of the bad things people said about Hillary were either made up or not actually bad.

She did mishandle some classified data. That's about it.

>>11336539

Why are you talking about the Democratic primary, this thread is about trump.

>>11331562

So typical of the "liberal" attitude. Could you be any more of a nazi fascist?

>No.

This is why I hate Liberal faggot scum.

>>11337525

>muh illegal voters in California meme

Just because they're brown doesn't make them illegal, /pol/.

>>11338961
>95% of the bad things said about Hillary were either made up or not actually bad.

So typical of the tragically brainwashed.

>>11338983
But being here illegally makes them illegals.

>>11338868

Nah, I could still vote for a third party, even though the voting system we have in place makes it effectively wasted, if only as a means for saying "I'll vote, but not for any of the two choices the faggots on both major sides want me too."

What we need is voting reform, because it benefits the majority of people, since as it stands unless you live in a swing state your vote means jack shit if you don't line up with the majority party in your state, but it won't happen because it serves the two majority parties that control everything. They want to keep things predictable without a lot of chance but still give people the illusion of choice so nobody calls them out on it, that's why gerrymandering is so widespread.

>>11339014

Except that none of the illegals were voting. They check that shit, in case you didn't know. Have you ever been to a fucking polling station outside of the fucking northern Midwest where everyone is white as fucking snow?

>>11339035
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jun/19/noncitizen-illegal-vote-number-higher-than-estimat/

>5.7 million noncitizens may have cast illegal votes

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>>11331540
Furfag and Trump supporter here.. Election night was one of the best nights in memory. I'm looking foreword to another 7 years of Trump.. MAGA

>>11339090

>The research organization Just Facts
>think tank led by self-described conservatives and libertarians

Yeah that's totally not going to influence their thought process at all. Their study peer-reviewed?

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>>11339178

>thinking moderates would vote for Trump again if the democrats put forward anyone other than shillary

>>11339090
>An explicitly right-wing think tank claims voter fraud in an election Republicans lost, reports right-wing news media.

Cool story bro.

>>11331540
On one hand, lots of furs are queer. Which, as some people have pointed out, you'd think would lead them against the party that condones pathologizing homosexuality.

But conservative politicians have become pretty good at selling voting against your self-interests as "populism". Or, at least, liberal politicians have done a shit-poor job of calling out the absurdity by presenting a more authentic populism (outside of Sanders, which is a dead horse of a point to beat at this point).

Also furries are fucking weird and I don't understand their lifestyle values.

>>11331540
i forget where libertarianism falls on the spectrum

>>11339323
Libertarianism is right-ring/conservative ideology, usually more on the far-right spectrum.

A rough polar-opposite comparison point would be socialism, which is a more far-left ideology.

>>11338040
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>>11331540
I voted for trump.

I was not willing to support Hilary

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> mfw gay furry luxury space communist

>>11339373
>left-ring

Disregard that post. Libertarians are actually against the bourgeois and support regulating firearms usage.

>>11339413
>Libertarians
>support regulating firearms usage
no

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>>11339269

>anyone other than shillary

lol, the Democrats literally have nobody.. Hillary was there hero. who are they going to defeat trump with? 128 year old Bernie sanders, Lizzy Warren, Michelle Obama!? also at this point dem's don't stand for anything, thay have no platform, except for being for being Resist-tard obstructionists..

there done..

>>11339471
>Michelle Obama

No, the want a BIOLOGICAL woman.

Trump 2020

>>11338795
Stay mad faggot ;)

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Trump has been great so far, but one of the best things about all of this is the *AUTISTIC SCREECHING* from the left.

>>11339471

Actually after the popularity of Sanders, you can expect a bunch of grassroots democrats to be popping up in a year or so. Especially around the mid term election.

I will agree though the Democratic party is in definite need of restructuring. The problem is the ideals it professes I agree with but there's rampant corruption that needs to be purged. If only third parties were actually viable in our voting system.

Whose ready for the formal designation of Antifa as a terrorist organization?

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>>11338868
>You can't honestly say you're against rain if you didn't make the choice between "two inches of rain" and "one hundred inches of rain"
That is the weirdest comparison I've ever heard and has nothing to do with the current topic.

>>11338961
I just find her history of passive-aggressive political moves, general demeanor, and history of run-ins with the law regarding white collar crime to be offputting. I'm not enough of a conspiracy nut to say she had that guy who testified against her wacked, but there's no way she didn't see through Whitewater.

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>>11339675
mark zuckerberg is already campaigning for the democrat slot.. I'm hoping the dems make him there guy.

>>11339811
>mark zuckerberg
oh hell no

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>>11339679
YES!!..

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Need more furry trump art..

>>11331562
Yeah, because Muslims care a lot about homosexuals

>>11331562

This is funny to me, my gay as fuck brother is for the most part conservative, the only reason gays voted left for a long time was because they wanted the rights it would make. After that they went right back to voting based on how they like to govern.

>>11340771
You say this like "not right-wing" automatically means "likes Muslims/their culture".

>>11331540
Anybody else here vote for Stein?

>>11340863
Muslims hate and kill gays
Trump don't wants Muslims in USA
Gays are safer under Trump

Can't you understand? He was the best option for furfags

>>11331540
Hillary was an awful candidate and the Democrats were going full retard even before the election. Even now they seem to have learned nothing.

>>11331562
>Majority of furries are gay
Not true.
They're just 20x more likely to be gay than the general population.
In other words around 30% of furries are gay.

>>11340884
I couldn't agree with her platform. Johnson was the only candidate that I could mostly agree with.

>>11340895
Heres hoping they learn the wrong lesson and go for kanye west 2020.

Just elect a black gay trans disabled illegal immigrant in 2020.

>>11341103
Oh and they need to be in a polyamorous mixed race relationship with like 6 muslims.

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I can't support Trump in any meaningful way because I'm a filthy leaf, and I'd be lying if I said I agreed with most of the decisions Trump has made so far, but I despise the values and tactics of the regressive Left so much, I'm glad they're finally reaping what they've sown.

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>>11341103
Yes... so Multicultural and progressive!!

>>11340894

Counterpoint, the right wants to take away gay rights because muh bible, so you're left with hating both sides.

>>11341295

Trump is like Hitler due to his cult of personality and xenophobic right-wing ideology.

>but muh mudslimes

They're no shittier than any other religion. Unless you want us to go full secular and start banning god from shit, I don't want to hear it.

>>11340894
>gays are safer under Trump
>the guy whose VP endorses torturous "conversion therapy"
>the guy whose political party and voter base hate gays because "muh bible"

"Safer" here is relative, at absolute best.

>>11340884
Stein's a Luddite and an anti-vaxxer or panders to them at least, so hell no.

>>11341311
Gay marriage would only be a boon for the divorce industry

>>11341354

And?

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>>11331540
I'm a monarchist and I wank to furry porn

does that count

>>11341311
>the right wants to take away gay rights because muh bible..

That's a hyperbolic argument

I don't think theirs one major republican campaigning to reverse or gives a shit about gay marriage, at this point its a non issue..

>>11338813
>Non-partisans supporting people out of spite rather than hopes for a better future or society is normal, healthy and won't empower and spur even more extremism and distrust of non-partisans...

As opposed to bench sitting, holier-than-thou attitudes and general disinterest and apathy which let politicians get away with anything before?

Fuck that, this is good, this generates SCRUTINY in both administration policies and their opposition. A politically involved populace is a populace that educates itself, discusses and evolves it's views rather than let ideologues at the wheel. This is how a republic should work.

>>11341443

Actually given that Trump is getting at least one, maybe two, supreme court seats in this term, who could and likely would overturn the decision making it legal, it is something to be worried about, I would say.

It's not about Congress at this point, it's about the supreme court.

>>11341463

>thinking people will actually evolve instead of becoming more and more aggressive and fighting over stupid shit they see on fagbook and Twitter

We already saw what happens last year when the idiotic populace gets involved, and what happens is everyone sees stories about how one side or the other is some satanic child molester with no basis in fact whatsoever and they eat it up because they're fucking sheep.

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>>11341339
>Trump is like Hitler

lol...you proved your opinion is useless!!

>>11339269

have you SEEN what the DNC is up to?

>>11341491
>We already saw what happens last year when the idiotic populace gets involved, and what happens is everyone sees stories about how one side or the other is some satanic child molester with no basis in fact whatsoever and they eat it up because they're fucking sheep.

no, we saw /pol/ and their tabloid counterparts screetch autistically about endless infographs and unsourced conspiracies, pizzagate and the russian hacking both fizzled out pretty quickly when they didn't manage to get any results either way because people didn't actually believe that shit.

>>11338983
in california many counties had more registered voters than eligible ones. That means in some places there were more votes cast than people over the age of 18 w/o felony convictions living in that county.
http://mobile.wnd.com/2017/08/11-california-counties-have-more-registered-voters-than-eligible-voters/

Can anyone say with a straight face that muslims don't DESERVE the gas chambers?

>>11341504

>answering a point posed by an image with valid counterpoints dismisses the argument entirely

Alright /pol/, I knew you were shit at debates but at least try to not act like a fucking child.

>>11341477
>who could and likely would overturn the decision making it legal, it is something to be worried about

your making assumptions and then getting your self all worked up over things to which you have no proof.. fact of the matter gay marriage is a dead issue, no one caries any more. It would be political suicide to go after it. What you are worried about is leftist tinfoil hat theory.

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>>11339299
>But conservative politicians have become pretty good at selling voting against your self-interests as "populism".

you do know most furries are still middle-low class people and not the extremely wealthy ones that throw money out like candy right?

there are three staples of furrydom that are consistent among all of them:

a)an appreciation for reckless, decadent capitalism and a free market for trinkets, drawings, toys, suits, services and pointless other fandom things

b)being furries, their sexual orientation or identity doesn't grant them brownie points so they value privacy and independence

c)at least one in ten furries have gone through unpleasant experiences with other fans which might influence conservative views towards sexual and ideological diversity, and most furries have witnessed the deep end as outside observers, there is no such thing as a furry that doesn't have bad things to say about the fandom

I'd rather keep my constitutional rights, like freedom of speech, if the choice is those or the right to marry my buttbuddy.

Thing is, the right isn't trying to stop gay marriage while the left is actively attacking constitutional rights.

>>11339811

Mark Zuckerberg IS the corrupt, corporate ideologically bankrupt establishment you dolt

>>11339675

what ideals do they even have anymore? they're nothing but corporate stooges, well-off elites, college-paid propagandists and social engineers, and generally people entrenched in a self-serving political sprawl instead of people who represent the average citizen.

>>11338813
Do YOU even listen to what I'm saying? Because I think I clearly said "I'm just not sure if Western politics can be saved, because we're deadlocked in a state where people are completely unwilling to come to a compromise".

The problem here is that you're putting "extremism" squarely on my shoulders. But buddy, there are extremists in your side. And in Europe, they've basically gotten a free run. That's the thing: Despite not agreeing with Trump all that much, I'm very familiar with the sentiment that got him elected. It stems from feeling ignored by the establishment at large. And what's your answer? Vote for the people you feel ignored by. I'm sorry mate, but that's just not how it works.

I've seen some extremely sleazy politics from the people who claim to be against "extremism". And when I say "sleazy", I mean a political assassination, another politician being de facto exiled, and others being harrassed with legal measures and media smear campaigns. All for being right wing and furthering right wing ideals. Which in Europe boils down to them being anti-immigration. On the flipside, those people have no problem courting extremist elements like AntiFa and the International Socialists, or even legit terror groups like Hamas. Two of our left wing leaders showed their faces at a Hamas rally. Christ, we've had someone on the supposed right say that we'd introduce Sharia law if enough people voted for it. And across the border we've got places like Germany and Britain, where people are literally being thrown in jail for not being politically correct. Which also translates to being right wing.

From where I'm standing Trump is way less extreme than people like that. Yet I get to hear night and day about how he's this and that, from people who voted for the above.

I'm all for the political compromise. But it has to come from both sides. And what I'm seeing, especially after the election, is that the left -both here and in the US- is unwilling to do so.

>>11341578

>Hitler comparisons
>not an automatic defeat for your own argument

come on anon, preserve some of your dignity.

>>11342061

No, honestly they're not if you have valid reasons for believing it, which were provided. If you're just blindly saying "he's like hitler" without backing up the argument, yes that's defeating your own argument in that case.

>>11341726

The ideals the left represents is limiting corporations (in theory) and ending the religious moral grandstanding that's been going on for fucking ever now.

Unfortunately, there is no left wing party. And I'm not voting for the far right, so I'm kind of shit out of luck here. Would I want an actual left wing party? Fuck yeah I would, but how do I even start that without being a billionaire to fund such a motion and gain any traction whatsoever?

>>11342213
There is no far right party.

>>11342168

>cult of personality
he's just popular

>xenophobic right wing ideology
he's just against immigration and radical religious extremism

>elected by a populace whom he won over by means of speech and comprehensive campaigning by appealing to their real concerns
>comparing him to a man who ascended into power by using mob violence, assassination, arson and open warfare, who was jailed and broken out by extremists performing a coup de etat and never had more than 30% of support, and singled out an ethnic group and intended to literally genocide them systematically

these are just hyperbolic, hysterical shrieks from someone who doesn't know history nor current events.

>>11342213

the problem is that there is no difference between the state and corporate power anymore, if you vote left you vote for financial lords too, but less directly.

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>>11342168
>>11342061
>>11341504
>>11341339


Undeniable proof drumph is like Hitler...

Suck it Drumph-tards...

>>11342168
Not him, but you just said "cult of personality and right wing xenophobia". Which is mostly bullshit buzzwords. He's right wing, I'll give you that, but it's not a motivation for the claim, it's just you inflating your personal opinion to epic proportions so you can hate the guy a little more. You can paint anyone as being Hitler with such flimsy accusation.

You want to accuse someone of being like Hitler? Take a look at Erdogan. Now there's a guy who's following Hitler's playbook to the letter. A multi-year scheme of wheeling and dealing, courting extremist elements, using diaspora populations and their (supposed) plight to gain legitimacy, jailing journalists and other critics. Trump hasn't done anything like that. Dude got elected in democratic elections. And then you go "so did Hitler!" But yeah, that's kind of how you have to do things in democratic countries, unless you want to go for a military coup.

The game of Hitler is tiresome, and frankly it's extremely worrying how a lot of people like you seem to think that your baseless accusations are perfectly legit. Because no joke, that IS a lot like how Hitler got to power.

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>>11331540
Bi-curious (2D only) heavily leaning straight, complete degenerate that would be thrown in the camps (from cubs, snuff, to feces I'll jerk off to it all). I'm an ethnonationalist, there are a lot of us... we're just smart enough to keep our mouths shut. The loud furs you see making up the public face are a vocal minority of lifestylers parading around in an intersectionality freakshow. Most furs hide our power level from porn to politics. I think Trump is a Manchurian candidate propped up to mitigate building nationalist sentiment before someone becomes a real threat to corporate/cheap labor interests. I'd vote for him simply because he's the furthest viable option away from this garbage:

Identity politics, LGBT culture, intersectionality, globalism/internationalism/free trade (when including the second and third world slave labor), miscegenation, feminism, China, the current tertiary education system, anti-free speech, mass immigration, multiculturalism, and other new left self-flagellation garbage.

>>11342213

http://imgur.com/gallery/oXTtM6k

honestly, you have a better shot at trying to make the right more secular and libertarian than making the left less tyrannical and evil.

just leave them while you can.

>>11342421
Christ that was a lot to take in

Yuge

>tfw gay furfag secretly hoping for the rise of fascism

help

>>11346850
How is that any weirder than chronically unemployed and also gay junkies not so secretly hoping for the rise of communism?

It's happened before, too. The leader of the SA was openly gay, as was a French Nazi agent. Bitch was loud, too. Took the French organisation for women's sports to court because they were shitting on her habit of wearing men's clothing. Of course, on the flipside, the Brits basically tortured one of their most brilliant minds, who helped win the war, until he committed suicide. Because he was gay.

And that's assuming you mean actual fascism, and not that flavour of "fascism" that's everything to the right of who-ever is saying it. When it comes to that, the first modern right politician in my country who got called a Nazi, and eventually got shot to death by a far left terrorist was, you guessed it, gay. Very, very gay.

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>>11340894
>Muslims hate and kill gays
>Trump don't wants Muslims in USA
>Gays are safer under Trump

Friendly reminder that the Pulse nightclub shooter was an Afghan imported by George Bush and the Manchester bomber was a Libyan imported by Teresa May.

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>>11346850
>>11347082

Little known fact. The man who designed the uniforms for Nazis, the Hitler Youth and the SS was likely a gay man... Hugo Ferdinand Boss

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im a bi furfag and i unironically support trump 100%

>>11342257

Again, I never made the direct comparison myself. I'm just giving reasons as to why someone would think he is like hitler.

Regardless, he's a shitty choice who was memed in to presidency, and the alternative was honestly just as bad, and if you aren't trying to get voting reform so that we don't end up in the same shitty situation as we did last year, you're part of the problem.

>>11342238

>he's just popular

No, it's definitely cult-like. Like you retards will defend anything he says despite how factually incorrect or absurd it is, even when he does a complete 180. Just in lockstep agreeing with him all the fucking time.

>immigration and radical religious extremism
>implying every muslim is a terrorist because of one poorly-sourced letter included in the Q'uran
if you're going to judge religions based on their obscure texts, at least be consistent and persecute christians and jews for shit in the bible too thanks.

Nice ad hom btw.

>>11331562
>furries
>retarded
choose two

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>>11350064
The people who hated him before, still hate him, the people who liked him before still like him.

>retards will defend anything he says
And you retards on the other side will attack anything he does, or any person who doesn't hate him enough, even if he does something you want, or the person was a sweetheart of the left. See also: tpp and julian assange.

Funny how I can point to actual examples

>muslims
pic related. For real, nigger, some ideologies are 1st century bullshit that can't coexist with modern first world countries.

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>>11350064
>jews
Hmm, wonder why no one ever calls out jews.
Funny how that works, diversity for thee, but not for me

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>>11331540
Your either one or the other. No exceptions

>>11341354
Gay marriages are stabler though. The only reason that'd be good for the industry is because there'd be more, but a disproportionate amount less than the percentage of the population would imply

>>11341405
Everyone with an IQ above 90 in the UK is a monarchist, and many below it too. Republicans are just autistic.

>>11342213
Vote green? Idk. I'm a libertarian so I'd highly recommend you don't do this but Sanders came up with a list of progressives or something like that so maybe vote along those lines as opposed to democrat lines

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>>11342238
>he's just popular
Step outside the /pol/ bubble sometime, son.

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>>11341443
>I don't think theirs one major republican campaigning to reverse or gives a shit about gay marriage, at this point its a non issue..
lol, republicans actively want to rollback gay marriage and want businesses, organizations to be able to discriminate against you on grounds of "deeply held religious beliefs"

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>muslims more accepting of homosexuality than evangelical christians
>a gay person in the us is more likely to be shot by some white christian nut than killed by a muslim terrorist
huh, how about that

>>11352186
Defiantly an Alt

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>>11338868
>Clinton voters
>"knew best"
>"still know best"
This is how you lost, by the way. Also, you almost got a third party guy right here to vote Democrat with Bernie.

>>11338961
>not actually bad
Actually all that stuff you handwave is actually bad for a lot of people. That's the hard truth of playing identity politics and campaigning for votes by demographic and not by ideology, you divide the country and make a mess of everything. Then, when a literal retard come flying by on a four wheeler and doesn't give a fuck and declares how he'll fix it all, that guy steals the key votes you overlooked because you shit all over them for years.

I know it's super duper dicks in your ass tough to get, but Hillary was the abso-fucking-lute worst person to back ever. Everyone that wasn't a retard knew that the rural areas were going to vote for Trump, and only a complete moron would have expected areas suffering under Democrat policies pandering to seedy businesses for eight years to actually vote for the worst corporate shill of them all. What were you fucking thinking?

Oh I know. Math. You and all the other #StandWithHer retards though that you could throw the weight of the coasts around again and expect it to fly. Surprise, the heartland you've been telling are racist, backward retards for being concerned about their lives and their children didn't roll over and take it.

Idiots. Complete fucking idiots. Now when Trump does something colossally fucking retarded it's nigh impossible to call him out because you're still pulling the shit and poisoning any chance of "resistance."

>>11339323
>>11339373
>>11339413
Libertarian is not on the left-right spectrum, it's on the state-individual spectrum.

Why is this so fucking hard for people? It's literally confusing two unrelated concepts, if I ask you to hand me a pencil you don't get to blurt, "WHICH ONE, PINEAPPLE FLAVORED OR TRIANGLES?" without suffering the consequence of being treated like a literal retard.

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>>11341443
>>11341608
>your making assumptions
>gay marriage is a dead issue
You are wrong. There isn't an argument to be made here, you are actually wrong, it's still an issue and it's going to be an issue for at least another decade.

It's hilarious because this is the same argument that Democrats had about gun control ("it's a dead issue nobody cares okay lol calm down") and then suddenly coastal states are clamoring for more and more of it. "Dead issue" does not mean "at this exact moment nobody cares" it means it's not an item on the campaign and in politics which it still totally is. Our current Vice President was the last possible motherfucker anyone expected, then suddenly when the biblethumping Republican geriatrics started saying they would just up and excommunicate Trump if he didn't play nice (everyone forgets those fun days of the election) wow Mike Pence is suddenly the VP pick.

What it really boils down to is the "nobody cares" part which is obvious bullshit. You have to be a complete fucking mongoloid retard to not realize that a massive chunk of the country is Christian and a majority of them take the bible pretty fucking seriously. I don't understand how you don't get this.

I'm sorry, throw up your arms and post Molyneux if you want, but your argument doesn't deserve any response other than "shut up you're a moron" so I've been very generous with you so far.

>>11342421
>Identity politics, LGBT culture, intersectionality, globalism/internationalism/free trade (when including the second and third world slave labor), miscegenation, feminism, China, the current tertiary education system, anti-free speech, mass immigration, multiculturalism, and other new left self-flagellation garbage.

A world without that would be hell, I think.

>>11354036

>Also, you almost got a third party guy right here to vote Democrat with Bernie.

Numbers show that third-party voters are mostly republicans in denial. It's weird how Sanders' voters were more right-wing than Clinton supporters, but I think that shows the power of identity politics. Sanders was male, White, loud and came with simple solutions. He also ignored non-Whites, which is why he lost by 3.7 million votes.

>Libertarian is not on the left-right spectrum, it's on the state-individual spectrum.

The shift from libertarianism to nazism is very easy to make. Both nazis and libertarians are a White boy's club of resentment, hate and know-it-all-attitudes.

>That's the hard truth of playing identity politics and campaigning for votes by demographic and not by ideology,

You're describing Trump's campaign.

>that guy steals the key votes you overlooked because you shit all over them for years.

You mean "Not promising people insane, dumb solutions that won't help them" is "shitting on them".

> only a complete moron would have expected areas suffering under Democrat policies pandering to seedy businesses for eight years

Sorry, those people shouldn't have voted in the Tea Party if they wanted help.

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Bernie lost because he refused to be a democrat until he realized a third-party candidate can't win the presidency and wouldn't be able to get anything through congress.

Even if all the states had had open primaries, he would have lost. Because left-wing voters in the US have no experience with non-Democratic politicians doing anything for them or anyone else.

Bernie's only legacy will be gaining the support of a bunch of people that otherwise don't actually give a fuck about any left-wing policies or goals, and don't really understand anything Bernie talked about. They just liked the fact that he was loud, different, and SAID that he different. Because assholes, smug know-it-alls and teenagers love feeling different and being alternative. Bernie only attracted the RON PAUL crowd.

Pure anecdotal evidence here, but Trump seems to be losing the moderates and first-time voters that he had excited in 2016.

Last year about half of my co-workers voted for Trump. Some genuinely like him, others were simply sick of establishment politics...but in any case they voted for him and he won.

Now...

I'd say about 50% of them would still vote for Trump in 2020 but a healthy number have been either disillusioned or are simply bored and won't turn out in 2018 and 2020.

And that's something that people keep forgetting. Trump's voters likely aren't about to turn around and vote Democratic, but they *are* likely to stay home. And that's even worse, because Trump needs to actively grow his voter base if he wants to win reelection. If even a small percentage of his voters are too bored or disaffected to vote in 2020 then he loses, since he's not doing great at enticing new voters...to put it lightly.

And that's what I'm seeing from the people I know in my corner of purple America (semi-rural Colorado, in a county that went 49-40 Clinton last year). The folks who voted Democratic are pissed, while the Trump voters are either anxious, disillusioned or have gotten sick of the memes and aren't interested in voting anymore.

Of the furries I know, a handful are leftists (and I mean that in the proper sense, they're genuine socialists/communists), a few are self described libertarians and the rest are Democrats.

I don't know a single Trump supporting furry.

>>11350001
If you have shitty choices, you get shitty leaders. That's a fundamental problem of politics. Someone like Merkel is also a raging populist, and so was Bernie. The systems we have are horribly outdated.

I typically don't vote for establishment parties for that reason. That gets me called a Nazi. And if I vote for local parties, I'm accused of having thrown my vote away.

>>11350064
>if you're going to judge religions based on their obscure texts

To weigh in as a European, I don't judge Muslims based on their book. I judge them on their actions, and their opinions. And frankly, with a huge part of the Muslim population, they're worrying. They don't gel with Western liberalism, and the mass immigration we've seen in Europe has upset our society. We have a 6% Islamic population, set to rise, and that's basically a 6% voter advantage for the left wing parties who bring them in. That alone is funny business, to say the least.

And yes, I say the same shit about Christians and Jews. I think it's all retarded, and religion should be a personal choice, and not something enforced by politics. Difference is, I can call the Christians and Jews retards and get away with it. With Islam, I'm the target of both its believers, and their protecters in government. We have people seriously attempting to make it illegal to say anything bad about the religion and its followers, and they have already partway succeeded through official and unofficial channels.

Mass immigration from the Islamic world is not good for our country, continent, and society. I see no advantages to it, and as with any policy that does not work, I want to amend it.

>>11354553
>others were simply sick of establishment politics

That is a figleaf.

Trump didn't win because he promised to protect Medicare and Social Security unlike the other republicans (This was a massive lie, of course, but Trump "tells it like it is" because he is White, loud, male and has a suit). Trump didn't win because he promised to be nicer to LGBTQ Americans (this was also a lie, which anyone to the left could have told you, but we don't get credit for being correct about Trump because that would hurt your pride).

Trump won because he was the only republican that dared to call the first Black president a Muslim from Africa. Trump was the first republican to say "I'm going to put that dirty liberal opponent of mine in jail".

McCain and Romney didn't dare to go that far, and that made their supporters lukewarm.

>>11354592
>If you have shitty choices, you get shitty leaders.

If you have shitty choosers, you get shitty leaders.

People who swallowed the clap-trap about Clinton are simply not intelligent.

A massive majority of Americans know how to do their job, know how to drive a car, and how to do their taxes. That's it.

You'd be flabbergasted if you understood how many people think college is free for all black American citizens, or if you understood how many voters and non-voters actually thought Clinton wanted to let tens of thousands Syrians into the country without checking them. Don't get me started on Sanders supporters who didn't know a thing about TPP, or the plutonium deal with Russia (which involved 17 different agencies, only one of which Clinton had any legal right to be involved with at the time).

>>11354869
>>11354899
All I'm reading here is a lack of empathy and an aloof attitude. You seem to think this is a one-way street, but it's not. I suppose it's comforting to think you're better than everyone else, but you're only falling into the trap you're railing against. American politics are a game of populism, and you just like one flavour of it better than the other.

Similarly, the amount of people who think Trump would put muslims and gays in concentration camps is...yuge. And don't pretend your side didn't play that angle.

This is better than /pol/

>>11355095
>All I'm reading here is a lack of empathy and an aloof attitude

Have you met a fucking Trump supporter or Bernie-or-Buster or generic Clinton hater?

Empathy is dead. They voted for a guy that once spent money on a full-page ad in the NYT BEGGING for five black men cleared by DNA evidence to be executed for a crime they didn't commit.

Why? Out of spite. They didn't want a better future for themselves or the US. They wanted to make life worse for others because they somehow managed to fail at life despite being born White (in a country that gives rural Whites additional voting power for the oval office, the senate and the house).

>Similarly, the amount of people who think Trump would put muslims and gays in concentration camps is...yuge

Travel ban? You think

We are one terrorist attack by a muslim (rather than another angry, ugly, kissless White boy) away from McCarthyism and legalized, federal profiling and

>>11354363
You're a fucking idiot. You know what the average Trump voter on this site did to the tea party pac site, right?

>>11357161
no

>>11341712

Incorrect. The moment they think they can get away with it (i.e. when the next supreme court justice retires within the current term), they will overturn the decision because "muh business rights" or some bullshit like that.

And if you honestly believe Mr. "Expand libel laws" is in defense of actual free speech you're fucking retarded.

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Voted him because he pisses off the people I hate(SJWs and Commie cunts), and he did just that, and more.

I'll be voting for him again for that reason.

>>11358895
This. Literally voted for him just to piss of SJWs. He did not disappoint. Seing adults collapse, weep and threaten to kill themselves because things didn't go their way was fantastic.

>>11356183
OK, you're trolling. I hope. Carry on.

>>11347529
I guess that explains why they're so tasteful & stylish.

I'm not technically a furry because I don't want a fur suit or have a vote fetish or want to shit myself. But I draw a fantasy comic with furry characters and call myself a furry. I guess I'm sort of a furry poser, which is pretty god damn pathetic.
I support Trump and am Conservative.

Also, fun fact, the artist of Dreamkeepers was a Milo contributor.

>>11361495
>>11358895
You gave someone the power to control a country out of spite?

>>11363897
I know you think the president has unlimited power because you grew up only knowing King Obama. But Obama overreached like crazy and that's not how the presidency works. Trump doesn't "control the country". If he did, we would have had ObamaCare repealed by now and steps toward lowering the national debt would have already begun. Obama had the media and a huge chuck of Washington to cover his ass, but his presidency wasn't the norm. Please learn how the American government works. Google checks and balances.

>>11364032
Still seems kinda irresponsible, even considering that he's still basically the most powerful person in america currently

>>11364062
Also, the president doesn't have a suitcase with a big red button to launch nukes from. Nuclear strikes aren't that simple either. I feel like a lot of your fears about Trump are based on misinformation about how the White House and presidency actually works.

>>11363877
No, that means you're a furry. That's like saying you're not a gamer because you don't cosplay Mercy.

Also, which comic?

>>11364062
Not him, but frankly it's horseshit that it's the voter's responsibility to not vote for candidates that people in the other political camp consider irresponsible choices. I've been hearing that shit all my life, and it's never been an argument from rationality. If you consider Trump to be a bad candidate, your problem is with the system, not with the voters.

And the reaction to Trump's victory has robbed the left of any claim to responsibility. Throwing riots and assaulting people because of the utterly predictable result of their 50/50 system is the exact opposite of rational. And that just kind of burns my butt about all this shit: It's always the right's responsibility to be civilized, while the left just calls them Nazis over nothing, forms brownshirt batallions to intimidate right wing people, and more shit like that.

Honestly, I think the left got exactly what it wanted. Now they get to pretend to be the victim again for 4 years. It's all so fucking tiresome. I saw the exact same thing with Bush. And then with Obama, you get people saying "he's the best thing that happened to America since WWII". I shit you not, that's what one of my friends likes saying. We're not even American.

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>>11353885
>republicans actively want to rollback gay marriage and want businesses, organizations to be able to discriminate against you on grounds of "deeply held religious beliefs"

Gays at this point are more excepted in this century then wight people. NO ONE is discriminating agents you.. In the last 8 years the LGBT community has bin on a witch hut to fined these businesses, organizations that discriminate against gays... and what did that find?? A couple bakeries that would not decorate a cake, and a Pizza shop that would not cater a gay wedding... A PIZZA SHOP!!.. who has pizza party wedding??? It all was a witch hunt to feed the victim hood complex regressive use to obtained power through Identity politics. You can take of your tinfoil hat, Your not being discriminated against.

>>11358699
>The moment they think they can get away with it (i.e. when the next supreme court justice retires within the current term),

you are delusional paranoid and suffer from a perpetual victim hood complex


>And if you honestly believe Mr. "Expand libel laws" is in defense of actual And if you honestly believe Mr. "Expand libel laws" is in defense of actual free speech you're fucking retarded

those identifying themselves as "Progressives" are ACTIVELY and UNAPOLOGETICALLY are attacking freedom of speech!!

>>11356183
>Why? Out of spite.

Real reason.. put an end to social Marxist regressive Ideology spiting this country apart with the false teachings Identity politics

> they somehow managed to fail at life despite being born White (in a country that gives rural Whites additional voting power

perfect example of a Regressive using toxic Identity politics to separate society into the us vs them narrative..

people who think like you and use identity politics are a cancer in our society, and although trump may not be perfect he is the right medicine, the chemo this country needs to handle your level of Regressions!

>>11356183

>Travel ban? You think

equating a partial travel ban on 7 countries is is the same as concentration camps

you must be severely mentally ill..

>>11363897
Luke the Obama voters.

>>11367068
Like*

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>really hate Muslims
>and niggers
>fine with blacks though, but niggers need to be executed en masse
>don't really like spics at all
>asians are okay since we only let the smart one emigrate here
>holy shit Europe is cucked
>holy shit the left is insane
>holy shit I hate Republicans
And then there was Trump. And for as much shit as people give him I can't find much reason to dislike the guy.
I wack it to dickgirl porn and femboys but don't consider myself gay enough to have sex with a dude. I have no illusions about how much he probably cares about me, but I can't think of anyone popular enough to have a shot at the presidency right now that would do a better job than him. Or at least not a worse job, depending on how you want to look at it. I know fucking Hillary Clinton and her growing list of people close to her who suicided by three shots the back of the head would have been worse.

SEND THE ILLEGALS BACK

>>11363897
Spite's only part of it; Trump's victory and subsequent presidency have been glorious for many reasons, but one of them is that he has made the left, and their cuckservative enablers, behave in ways that are turning the average American against them.

It's not just that I enjoy the anguish that he puts these people through (although I do enjoy it, very much), but it's also that their reactions to him are contributing to their fall from power. Even if Trump accomplishes nothing else, he has at least pulled away the curtain and allowed Americans to see how insane (or traitorous, in the case of cucks) and utterly despicable these people are. There's no undoing that.

>>11367298
Also this. I was for Trump thinking he would at least delay the inevitable, but what I've seen his presidency do is inspire the right.

The right that for years, i thought was cowed into submission. That was going to go quietly into that dark night until the West becomes so corrupted and inflamed it collapses under its own weight, spawning a conservative society out of the ashes.
But instead I've seen an emboldened right, a right that's finally tired of being told to sit down and shut up and don't rock the boat. I'm tired of not rocking the boat, I'm tired of watching society decline around me, tired of being too scared to speak my mind. Tired of not being able to be an American. And me and a lot of other people are so tired of it, we're not going to be tired of it anymore. We're going to have our say and fuck your feelings and hugboxes and flowery manipulation to try and make me feel bad for disagreeing.
Fuck the Radical Left. You'll destroy us all if you have your way and I am not going to let you have it without a fight.

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>>11366513
>Gays at this point are more excepted in this century then wight people.
Objectively false.

>NO ONE is discriminating agents you..
I'm not gay.

>In the last 8 years the LGBT community has bin on a witch hut to fined these businesses, organizations that discriminate against gays... and what did that find?? A couple bakeries that would not decorate a cake, and a Pizza shop that would not cater a gay wedding... A PIZZA SHOP!!.. who has pizza party wedding???
You're breaking up, but refer to image for some statistics.

>It all was a witch hunt to feed the victim hood complex regressive use to obtained power through Identity politics.
You're projecting.

>you are delusional paranoid and suffer from a perpetual victim hood complex
It's literally in the official party platform.

>>11367555
Yeah so who doctored those statistics? Pretty sure gays and trannies can "report" whatever they want. Doesn't mean they actually were.
It's not like gays ever lie about persecution.
http://nypost.com/2013/12/07/waitress-claiming-couple-didnt-tip-because-shes-gay-gets-fired/

>>11368121
Did you miss the part with the corroboration of straight colleagues and the controlled experiments?
But muh anecdata

>>11368185
Also the major point of those posts was that the Republican party is hostile to the rights of LGBT people (in this case, they're against anti-discrimatin laws and are trying to get them rolled back) which some morons upthread were saying wasn't true.

>>11367555
But then you shill for Islam, which wants to literally throw faggots off buildings. So I don't think you give two damns about LGBT rights, and just want your flavour of politics to be in power unconditionally.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ToEvz-7trY

4chan falls under "Hitler" there

>>11354036
>Libertarian is not on the left-right spectrum, it's on the state-individual spectrum.
But self-described Libertarians, especially in America, trend hard right in voting habits, which is why libertarians are treated as locked-in Republican voters no matter what.

>>11367174
>fine with blacks though, but niggers need to be executed en masse
Holy fuck, this. And nigger is fucking wasted on black people. There's a lot of fucking white niggers out there.

>>11368185
What does that prove? You don't have to be gay to invent hoaxes. How many white BLM supporters do you think there are? That shit happens all the time, but statistic memes like this don't take variables into consideration.

>>11367555
When there is power in victimhood why would anyone want to let that go.. the LGBT and others who use identity politics are Perpetual victims to stay relevant.

>>11367298
>>11367401
These guys have the Right of it, and I share the same sentiments. The Left has morphed into a terrifying monstrosity, fueled by people with a victim complex and the idea that because they're the "victims" they are always right and thus able to do whatever they want.
I have a voice, and some of the things the Left promotes I disagree with- not because of some tie with a political movement that only fat neckbeards and hillbillies join, but because I have thought long and hard about the issues, examined the evidence, and reached a conclusion that is different from what the Left promotes.
But there is no discussion, no sharing of my reasonings, no back and forth and understanding that even if we don't convince each other, we are both entitled to our own opinions- NO, I disagree with the Democratic Party, and so I am a Nazi, and I should just shut up and let the "enlightened" do as they see fit. Well, fuck that and fuck you, if the only way I can be heard is to help put a meme like Trump in office, then he'll have my vote next time around too.

>>11368765
This is the problem with politics in general. Everyone is so utterly convinced that they are right they don't talk to anyone else. And that applies to every single side.

>>11339269
They're gonna run pocahontas and get wrecked again

>>11368983
I'll be amazed if they're stupid enough to push her again.

>>11368344
I dislike all religions, but you may find this interesting >>11353949

>>11369606
US Muslims.

They don't count, because being Muslim is secondary to being American, just like every other fucking American. Give me some fucking statistics that include the Middle East, Pakistan, and the Philippines.

>>11368699
I guess we've gotten to the point in the argument where you dismiss evidence because it doesn't fit your worldview.
Sorry for getting Reals in your Feels.

>>11369655
Why? It was in response to this patently ludicrous post and ones like it specifically about Muslims in America. >>11340894

>>11369771
Read the fucking post you linked to. Non US Muslims are Non US Muslims. They violently hate the gay. Trump wants to keep them out. Ergo, US fags are safer for it.

>>11369771
For the same reason we don't bring in Africa Christians.
If we take in more Muslims, they're not going to be coming from the US, they're going to be coming from Pakistan. India. Iraq. Afghanistan. Best case scenario they come from Egypt and Turkey where they only hate gays rather than outright murder them.

>>11369840
>>11369861
https://www.apnews.com/39f1f8e4ceed4a30a4570f693291c866
It was basically tossing a bone to his base at the cost of unneccessary suffering
And where do you think US Muslims came from in the first place? The Mayflower?

>>11370087
That AP story has nothing to do with the argument. And they come from America. Born and raised. Apparently, we do something fucking right in this country. Second-generation Muslims in Europe are just itching to fucking murder whoever they can find. But second-generation Muslims in America don't do that. I stand by the argument that they're Americans first, like fucking all of us.

>>11370087
US Muslim immigration has essentially been nonexistent for most of the country's history. They trickled in over the last 100 years eventually growing mostly through children rather than immigration, becoming quite moderate and even tempered as a result.

This has not been the case for recent Muslim immigration, which picked up significantly under Obama, and is the reason why the US Muslims have such a high dislike for gays. Muslim immigrants do not like gays, Muslims who pray once every couple of days and wear sketchers have the same disposition your average Christian who drinks booze and sleeps around does.

>>11370087
>unnecessary suffering
Fuck off with this bullshit, Americans don't exist to be fodder for alleviating the "suffering" (read: not getting to be on the dole in a first-world country) of foreigners

>>11353949
>a gay person in the us is more likely to be shot by some white christian nut than killed by a muslim terrorist
lmao the study you posted doesn't say that, idiot
also learn what taqiyya is, US muslims will be pro-gay up until the point that it no longer benefits them to be so, and then it'll be time for tossing fags off of rooftops

also if gays were in actual danger of being killed by christians they'd be sucking up to them all the time like they do to muslims

>>11369676
No I just don't take statistics that prove left leaning ideas at face value anymore. After shit like "only 30% of comics are SJW", "90% of planned parenthood's work isn't abortions", and 99% of scientists are agreed on all the issues that vex conservatives", combined with the shameless rampancy of hoax hate crimes, and the dishonesty of the Left right now, you can hardly blame me for calling bullshit on the stats that "prove" your case. When the Left stops lying its balls off, we'll talk about your meme again.

>>11364566
The left's reaction to Trump is better than the right's reaction to Obama.

Heck, the right's reaction to Trump is more alarming than the left's.

Muh burning trashcan.

>>11371720
yeah, the right's reaction to obama was pretty boring, the left flipping its shit over everything trump does is a lot more entertaining and I hope they never stop

You all seem chill. Do we have a conservative curries Discord server or anything? (Or even one that just isn't a liberal echo chamber)

Trump supporters scsream identity politics like they have some kind of Tourettes and now 800 thousand people with spotless records but the wrong ethnicity are being deported to appease the identity politics of yokels.

I feel pretty good about donating bail money for the black bloc

>>11371837
Obama did nothing to warrant any anger. Trump tries to actively sabotage and divide the country. The country deserves riots and divisions for not removing him.

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>>11372578
Obama supporting black lives matter, a group that was rioting and killing cops long before Trump was president.. how quickly you forget the madness that our country is seeing started long before Trump

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>>11372799
BLM quickly died out after he became president, I don't hear much from them anymore.

>>11372551
>Muh Identity Politics

If they want citizenship why don't they become citizens? Our immigration system allows so much trash in. They don't have to come here illegally just to gain it.

>>11370201
Muslim immigration is still extremely small, It's easier for them to invade Europe since it borders the Middle East via Turkey.

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>>11371720
>The left's reaction to Trump is better than the right's reaction to Obama.
Nah.

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>>11363897
>Implying us burgers give a shit

You're talking about the same country who gave the shittest presidents two terms. I'm a nihilist, I want to see my nation crash and burn so we can rebuild it in a better image.

>>11371720
Boomers don't like violence, all they did was protest in small numbers.

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>>11355597
In terms of arguments yes, in terms of being autistic as fuck no.

>>11372551
>800 thousand people with spotless records but the wrong ethnicity are being deported

Only people being deported are those who are illegally in the country, they have no records becouse they are not US citizens. And they're illegal because they broke the law entering our country..

>>11372551
>I feel pretty good about donating bail money for the black bloc
It's already all paid for by George Soros, you're wasting your time and money

>>11372551
>spotless records
>literally committed a crime by entering the country
(You)

>I feel pretty good about donating bail money for the black bloc
please keep funding the alt-left because they are doing the right an enormous favor just by existing

>>11372578
low quality bait

>>11372969
>I'm a nihilist
no you aren't

>I want to see my nation crash and burn so we can rebuild it in a better image.
the former will not lead to the latter

>>11372969
>I'm a nihilist, I want
Nihilists don't want things. Defeatists want to lose.
>to see my nation
America is a country, not a nation.
>crash and burn so we can rebuild it in a better image.
I'd rather lean on the wheel and avoid the iceberg than have the ship sink and build a new one.

I'd vote Trump again to that end if necessary.

>>11369606
But negro, that's looking at a cherrypicked population. I'm a Eurofag, and I'd be overjoyed if we'd just have the American immigration system instead of the lassez-faire shit we have now. This gets me called a Nazi by the "moderate" left, who have enshrined Islamic immigration as their most important issue. For some reason.

We get the idiots, here. And guess what? Anti-LGBT violence is on the rise exactly because of that, and the left refuses to acknowledge the problem, or even protect the victims. We're talking about people being terrorized in their own homes by Muslims. The "moderate" Muslims that we're supposed to believe will integrate well because they also smoke weed and listen to rap. One story I heard is about a rather obvious transgender person in my city, and the muzzies in her neighbourhood graffiti'd a bunch of dicks on her home. The left wing organisation that rents out the house told her she had to pay for the removal, because it was her own fault for being such an obvious transgender.

Islamic culture isn't going to magically meld into Western liberal culture. Islamic culture is ten times worse than modern Christianity, or any other religion. The fucking Christians aren't mowing down people in our streets, even if they are cunts about their Jesus-bothering. In fact, the principle reason I tend to hate the Christians is that they're often in favour of immigration because "muh other cheek".

But in America, too, the single most deadly anti-LGBT attack was committed by a Muslim. A moderate, registered Democrat Muslim. Islam is simply a totalitarian system, and those Muslims who can marry their religion with a Western lifestyle are a minority. In Western Europe, and definitely in the world.

Frankly, lumping Islam in with the other religions is a copout. If Islam grows even more in Europe, we're going to have a very serious problem. And if you believe what you say, you will agree with me when that happens, even if you don't do so now.

>>11371720
Well, that's just like, your opinion, man.

I don't think this is an educated opinion. The right's reaction to Obama was nowhere near the violent nonsense we're seeing now. So you had your teabaggers. Whoop-dee-fucking-doo. They were basically a right wing Occupy, who also sprung up under Obama.

>>11372578
And there we have it. You have a priori made up this bogus distinction between Trump and Obama. But this is not an argument supported by facts. In fact, this reaction is exactly what I mean. You say the country deserves riots and such because he won. How the fuck am I ever supposed to trust people like you with my rights and liberties? I can't. You're jumping to take them away the moment you don't like them, and you think you're 100% in the right. I have more respect for totalitarians who are actually honest about it. A commie or fascist will shoot me for being liberal, but at least they don't tell me it's for my own fucking good.

>>11374547
>This gets me called a Nazi by the "moderate" left

This is the right's most infantile and prevalent talking point.

>>11374547
>One story I heard is about

There are dozens of completely fabricated stories about Muslims.

Everything people like you say about islam and muslims is useless at this point. Well done.

>>11374593
>You say the country deserves riots and such because he won

People explicitly say they elected him to hurt, spite and ruin the lives of others. That means others have a right to prevent this by any means possible.

Yuge

He wants to hire a non scientist to the countrys leading science position.

He wants the government to go into default unless they fund his dumbass meme wall.

>>11374611
Really? It's infantile to complain about infantile insults? You people are impossible.

>>11374624
It's from a direct source. Someone I trust, who knows the person it's about directly. It happened. What is useless is apologists like you willfully ignoring issues that you claim to care about, and DO care about when it's anyone else but muslims doing it. You say you don't care about islam, but then you defend the anti-LGBT acts of muslims. Good job. Everything you say about LGBT rights is useless, and thankfully more and more LGBT people are seeing it every day.

That's the frustrating part. Your dogged defense of islam does not make sense with all the other shit you're saying. This makes you untrustworthy. As does your pointedly ignoring of everything else I said. You go for the one thing you think you can refute and base your entire argument on that.

Shit like this is why I think it's all hopeless. You faggots want power, and you'll do anything to get it, and say anything to legitimize your borderline terrorist acts, and your coddling up to actual terrorists. Time and again you show that you are completely unwilling to have any discussion. Even internally, you disavow anyone who steps out of line. You want to know why people voted Trump? This shit is why. The fact that someone like Trump became president is not because everyone supports everything he says, it's that literally ANYTHING would be better than you.

You're more responsible for Trump's election than Trump himself. He was just the right guy at the right time. Shit, he's not even the right guy. But when there's a choice between totalitarianism and not totalitarianism, it's not really a choice at all.

>>11374640
This is the most ignorant and shallow reasoning I've ever heard.. people like you will say and do anything to justify your unbridled hatred

>>11374640
Except when the shoe's on the other foot, of course. When Obama tanked my state's economy and didn't have anything in place to make up for removing the main source of state revenue, thus sending everything into freefall as the state legislature started desperately taxing every other industry and cutting jobs left and right, which accelerated the downward spiral, THEN it's not okay for us to be angry and try to prevent it, because that means we're racist, and that the only reason we're opposing Obama the Great's enormous overreach and abuse of power is because we're backwards hicks who can't stand having a black man in office, and that we should just stay at home with our families who may not have a future and just let the "educated" people decide what we need.

Meanwhile, while we're still only a few months into Trump's administration, he's already taken steps to undo the damage Obama did, relaxing the government oversight that was strangling what is left of our state's economy, and businesses are actually starting up when before they were only closing down.

We were discarded by the people supposed to take care of us for the "greater good" of Gender Politics" and Enviromentalism, so of course we lashed out; if we were going to suffer, we could at least give the people who put us in that situation the middle finger. Turns out the Democrats were hurting a lot of people, and what was thought to be a last, dying slap in the face turned out to have enough weight to send them reeling.

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>>11375548
>Your dogged defense of islam does not make sense with all the other shit you're saying. This makes you untrustworthy. As does your pointedly ignoring of everything else I said. You go for the one thing you think you can refute and base your entire argument on that.

But ISIS fights for the US and Israel.

BUILD

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>>11379698

The only two statements in that slogan that I disagree with is the fake narrative of fascism as a major issue within the Western World, especially with regards to the US, and the forced artificial diversity and multiculturalism. People and communities shouldn't have to be forced to be with other people because of a diversity agenda quota. And of course, forced diversity and multiculturalism ONLY applies to majority white Caucasian countries in the Western World, if it was vice versa, it would be called colonialism or I'd imagine the slogan being something along the lines of "cultural and diversity colonialism" on the left side's argument.

>>11379249
WALL

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>>11380319
WITHIN a reasonable amount of time, considering obstruction from congress and the difficulties inherent in starting a large infrastructure project otherwise.

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>>11339269
The DNC straight up stabbed Bernie in the back like jews in 1919 did Germany. What did demdumbs think was going to happen when moderate libertarians found out she had Debbie Wasserman assassinate his candidacy?

"Oh fuck, I'm sorry Madam-Sir President Hillary. I, a cishet male have checked my privlidges and recognize it is your turn. Here is my paycheck. I'd give you my savings but Comrade Bernie already has it. He gave it to you already? What a relief!"

>>11363897
I see no fault of logic with this. You're going to get fucked anyway, why not make the people you despise freakout even harder than they already do at every imagined slight.

>>11378155
And we should destroy it. The deep-state for whatever reason wants to root out Baathism. The removal of any Baathist leader from any country so far has had horrific and long lasting consequences. If Assad is defeated in Syria, there is going to be a massive shitstorm.

>>11340392
why don't you use photoshop and make it yourself?

>>11375548
No one called all criticism of Obama racist.

No one calls anyone a nazi for just saying they want less immigration.

The right just doesn't want to admit that they couldn't criticize Obama without painting him as the "Other", and they don't want to admit that sooner or later their rhetoric against immigration always transitions into alarmism, hatred, identity politics and hypocrisy.

>>11377610
All of that is the fault of republican policies and White voters.

Fuck coal, cunt.

>>11377610
>Natural gas is raping my cancer rocks
>This elementary market fact must be the Dhimmiecrats fault
>Muh jerb. Muh hardhat. Muh dad was in the mines
>Father Trump lets us destroy Yellowstone to dig up more cancer rocks
>Yey Trump, environmentalism baaaad

We need to fucking kill all the Appalachians.

Go on

>We're not bigots, you're just trying to shout us down and scare us by calling us bigots

>Fuck yeah Trump called Obama a Muslim from Kenya
>Fuck yeah Muslim ban
>Fuck yeah transsexual ban that costs the taxpayers millions
>Fuck yeah discrimination of faggots is good
>Fuck yeah give military weapons to the police so they can kill black people
>Fuck yeah Arpaio is awesome for using concentration camps and torture
>Fuck yeah a wall that needs to be paid for by taxing my 401K, worth it!
>Fuck yeah the ICE is torturing detainees fuck you wetbacks
>Fuck yeah ending the DACA and ruining the lives of 800 thousand people that signed up knowing they would need spotless records, taxed jobs or good grades to be allowed to stay

I think having to live in a country with republicans in it is the punishment people get for being nazis, racists or fascists in their previous lives.

>>11391409
>All of that is the fault of republican policies and White voters.
>White voters.

Implying hive-mind voting based on race.

Whatever happened to judging someone by the content of their character and not the color of there skin?

Go's to show how Identity politics has devolved the left to the point they have no idea what they believe anymore...

>>11391446
>>11392204
your Projecting

Build wall

>>11393124
White voters either voted Trump or sat at home, which is abandoning the country to Trump. That's a decisive majority of simply bad, immoral people.

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>>11394198
>That's a decisive majority of simply bad, immoral people.
Justifying your hatred for an entire group of people!?

Admit it, your a racist!

sounds more like you have a problem with democracy and the results of an open free election..

So not only are you racist, but you hate the values our country was founded on, being they allow someone like trump to get elected..

Have you ever considered maybe you are the problem?

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Best Judy, is MAGA Judy!!..

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Antifa is SJW cancer that has bled into the real world. It's a hypocritical hate-fueled movement of limp-wristed weaklings, corralled together by elites and a desperate feelings of wanting to control anything because their lives are trash. The have nothing to do all day but protest because they are too busy worshiping niggers, doing drugs, and jacking off to their worthless highschool 2.0 degrees. They're communists, faggots, Muslim sympathizers, criminals, and over all degenerates who need a herd to survive.

No one stands up to this shit anymore. Furries are so tolerant they allow this neverending complaining over nothing to find a home, and when it does it screams like a little baby until it gets its way. If you managed to get rid of all this "oppression" and "racism" and "fascist," words which have completely lost all meaning, these liberal fuckheads would want to bad purple colored socks next.

Trump 2020 all the way. Hillary was bought and sold and the biggest loser of this century. A cold-hearted woman who became successful at politics because she never had a father figure. A vengeful cunt who was driven by revenge, not excellency like Trump.

So while I armchair my fucking contempt for what liberalism has always been: an unsuppressible bastion of children, I love the fucking show when these wienies tearing themselves apart because they can't agree on what gender to call a cat lmao

>>11342421
>2020
On hindsight, an optmistic estimation.

>>11346645
That always reminded me of Bush's nookular.

>>11347529
I never saw what everyone sees in Nazi uniforms and aesthetics as a whole. Sure it's technically proficient, but it's so soulless.

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>>11350758
I really would like to see those for National Review, The Atlantic, Fox News and Breitbart.

>>11394198

As opposed to what, the Witch-Queen Killary?

>White voters

That shit right that just makes whatever argument you have dismissed. "Evil white race meme." How's that Western Civ. Humanism treating you, versus the rest of the non-Western world?

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>>11354538
Bernie lost because the primary was flat-out rigged and that's all there is to it. And he would have beaten Trump.

>Bernie Sanders is the new Ron Paul
into_the_trash_your_opinion_goes.jpg

>>11398553

>Rigged
>Russian hacking meme

More like the DNC was rigged against him, at the behest of Killary. Not only that his policies on education especially were idiotic. Instead of actually doing something useful like giving money and incentives to go into actual fields of study or technical/trade schools that led to jobs, which lets face it, that's basically why you go to college. He just wanted to raise taxes so every idiot could get a degree, which then just defeats the purpose of the degree to begin with. As we are seeing now, too many morons with degrees want white collar jobs, and the demand for blue collar jobs is on the rise. People fell for the "college will get you a good job meme" and they broke it.

>>11398650
Who the hell even implied Russia? Of course it was the DNC. Except for "which then just defeats the purpose of the degree to begin with" (high-skill tech industries are still growing faster than STEM can fill), you're right, but that's a criticism that applies to all candidates, since no one seems to acknowledge the issue.

>>11398758

I agree, go into a STEM field for a job, unless you come from an insane background of wealth, where then you can just piss away your life regardless on meme social studies and fine arts degrees. Though trade schools are still not a bad option too, and even then, you don't necessarily need to get a Bachelors or Masters to begin working or working your way up into a STEM field, though it helps. But most delusional college kids were told you just needed to get a degree in anything to get a job, "follow your dream meme", usually from the college itself shilling to the kids and the parents secondary. Then, said college professors tell the kids to protest the government because of the student debt. Instead of protesting the college itself, because all the government can do is raise taxes and throw more money at the problem, where in the college sets it's own prices and then foots the bill to both the students and government, which is the government bill is actually another bill towards the student because of increased taxes. The difference between the student and government money is, being the government money is faster and much more of a solid investment than a student who may or may not ever pay off the loan.

Basically, protest the college, or find a way around it to make a living, there is more than one way to live than just getting an overpriced degree that might as well be clad in gold for the price.

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>>11398553

Hillary stole it from him because she bought the system. Ironically, had she let Bernie continue, he could have very well won against Trump, but her aggressive actions made a decent amount of people either not vote (losing one vote) or switch sides to Trump (losing two votes)

Speaking of hacking, the Russian thing was a hoax confirmed by news outlets, but we all know we can't trust news outlets so maybe it wasn't. What was confirmed and hilarious was when Jill Stien of the Wisconson green party wanted to investigate hacked voting machines on behalf of Hillary Clinton, and found out THEY were rigged in favor of Hillary.

Furtheremore, I know causation and correlation are two different things, but every single blue voting county in the nation has far more criminal activity than every single red county in the nation. It makes perfect sense that criminals would vote for an even bigger criminal.

Hillary is the biggest loser this century, and I hope she runs for a second time because 1) she'd certainly lose again 2) I'd honestly give her a little bit of respect for doing that and 3) it would be Jeb part 2 electric turtleoo

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>>11399342
Never stop reminding SJWs/Shillaries that they elected Trump.

ITT: FUCKING WHITE MALES

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>>11401585
more liek virgin white males am i rite

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>tfw RentheDragon is getting shit on just for being pro-Trump

Guy just wants to draw planetits and less government fuckery, man.

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>>11331540
Eh, I voted with my wallet. Hillary's campaign didn't do anything to suggest her economic policies would be any different from Obama's, and while I still feel that Obama was the superior choice of the previous two elections, I could see that we had not recovered from the recession that the housing collapse had put us in. My home state was economically dead in the water, so I moved to greener pastures, and my job was kinda hanging on by a thread early last year. It's become much more stable in the last eight months, despite Trump not really passing any economic legislation. Mostly I attribute it to consumer confidence being somewhat restored.

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I unironically voted for Trump, own a MAGA hat, and think all commies should be helicopter'd

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Trump's already accomplished about half of what I wanted out of him in less than a year. Hell, calling his victory back in the fucking primaries and making everyone look like a bunch of idiots for not understanding how polls and demographics work, including my dumbass PoliSci/Anth/ArtH professors already made me come out ahead. As well, seeing the retarded furfags screech about nothing that impacts them all that much makes me laugh.

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I was a 2 time Obama voter, and early on I beveled in what he was all about.. But in the last couple years something changed.. PC, SJW, shit started going crazy and calling it "progressive".. and Obama seemed to take there side.. Fuck That!!
That's the main reason I voted for trump. And I'd do it again too. To stop the SJW, PC, Progressive Socialist Cancer!

>>11402113
>Trump's already accomplished about half of what I wanted out of him in less than a year.
What is it?

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>>11402471
>2 time Obama Voter
>2 time
>Oh no he's retarded
But you got redpilled in the end so its ok

>>11402388
you cheeky lil commie I'll rekt u m8

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I voted for him and he's been doing what he said he would do, even with his own party kicking and reeing the whole way through.

The really best parts is showing how utterly and totally biased the Fake News Media really is with every one of their hit pieces and watching them melt down amd autistically screech whenever he does literally anything or doesn't do what they want.

>>11391446
>>11391409
>Implying I don't know coal is a dying industry
For the record, my work is in the State's Forestry industry, and the problem isn't that coal isn't profitable anymore. It's that a government-mandated shutdown of several coal mines without laying any groundwork to make up for the hit to income the state would take meant that they started trying to make up for the revenue deficit by cutting jobs and raising taxes on every other industry in the state, including Forestry.
They completely cut the department responsible for going out and inspecting logging sites to make sure they're not breaking the rules, so the Federal government had to send in federal inspectors to make sure the job was still getting done. These inspectors failed to realize that most logging crews are barely breaking even, and so if a piece of equipment wasn't up to code, they didn't inform the crews of the problem so they could spend the couple hundred dollars it would take to fix the problem, they just slapped the Loggers with Thousand-dollar fines. These crews cannot afford to pay those fines, so they go out of business. Less logging crews means less timber coming in, which means less revenue from the saw mills, which causes saw mills to shut down. Which makes it harder for those still in business to keep turning a profit. And it all kept snowballing and snowballing...

Now those fines are getting waived provided the problems get fixed, the loggers are back out working, the mills are running again, and while we still took a heavy hit, we're no longer in total freefall.

The irony of this is that we're one of the poorest states in the nation, yet the "Poor Man's Party" never even gave us the time of day, while Mr. "Small loan of a million dollars" Trump is actually helping us out.

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>>11402520
>Replaced Scalia with a Constructionist
>BTFOs Antifa
>Takes the leash off of ICE
>Stopped Killary from winning, although this could've been done by even Guac Boy himself
>Caused untold amounts of virtue signalling faggots to piss their pants
>DACA is gone

Honestly, this was more than I expected of him. Anything he does at this rate is just icing on the cake for me. If he gets through with everything, he'll officially kick out Truman for my top 5 presidents list and be giving Grant a run for his 4th place.

>>11339400
source on comic?

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>>11402694
>The really best parts is showing how utterly and totally biased the Fake News Media really is with every one of their hit pieces and watching them melt down amd autistically screech whenever he does literally anything or doesn't do what they want.

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>>11403757
No /tv/ meme has been good since baneposting died.

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>>11340392

>>11354150
>coastal states
>very democratic states vote away their 2nd constitutions rights
Wooooow
Next you'll tell me California wants to keep their illegals

The only retard here is you, my friend

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>>11403757
>two scoops

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"the only way I know how to argue is with a list of logical fallacies"
-The modern conservative

Pic relevant, but not related

>>11331562
>Majority of furries are gay
Where did this meme come from?

>>11341295
oh man, i've got some bad news for you about the future

>>11339090
>>11339187
>>11339299

Reminder that leftists in their own words and implications say that since minorities are too stupid to even fill out their own name at the DMV, voter ID's are racist and oppressive. Mexico has fucking voter ID's and even more strict immigration laws, but, nah, if you are against an open border policy with little to no bar to enter the country, then you are a racist. Oh, and there was found to be huge voter fraud for Killary, and yes, there have been large numbers of illegal voters as well.

>>11404711
Go on FA.
The majority of the shit there is bara and gay shit. Sure theres plenty of straight stuff being posted, but there's so much more gay stuff.
Plus furry conventions are known for their gay orgies, not their straight orgies.

>>11331540
Right wing yes. Trump supporter no. I've never faltered in my standings, but I'm too lazy to actively support anyone. Never seen a single Republican candidate that was good enough to vote for. Guess I just have unrealistic standards.

Where am I going to find a candidate that's willing to do a huge number of reforms for efficiency's sake but still keep most of the policy conservative? Nowhere. What politician despises gay marriage and nonbinary gender garbage like me but will act against it in the most pleasantly worded and superficially kind/discreet yet firm fashion possible? Nobody. Can we find someone to stomp a few over-bloated corporations but also keep the border safe? Nope.

If you're not a neoliberal get the FUKC OUT OF THE FURRY FANDOM

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>>11406423
Why?

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>>11338252
I agree. I very much doubt Trump was the best choice to govern, but he was elected because the establishment refused to listen and change according to the will of the people. Republicans had plenty of warning with the Tea Party movement years ago. Democrats could have seen their loss coming as well. But that's the thing: the elites all over the world don't want to fix the rusty old establishment politics, because they benefit from them just fine even as the people suffer. I'm not sure if Western style democracy (American or Euro style) can be salvaged. Perhaps it's an inevitable result of the concept as politicians sink lower and lower. Or perhaps we're just seeing the natural demise of governments/civilizations. Most don't last that long. A few centuries for the U.S. is a pretty good run, historically.

Certainly there are some zealots on the right here, but speaking as a former registered Democratic, I must say our left is like the Spanish Inquisition now. The fanatics have been in charge for a long time even as they claim to be victims. There's zero room for debate or compromise anymore. The extremists control the whole party. Any dissenting/questioning speech is treated as heresy. That's why I left.

>>11336708
Jesus, alt-right humor is so unfunny and bland.

It's like that attack helicopter thing or "Did you just assume my gender?!"

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>>11338812
Holy shit bro, you're literally me.
I think the first politicians that support furries will have their votes forever, Republican or Democrat.

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>>11347529
Hugo Boss didn't design them, his factories only manufactured them.
But they do look good enough.

>>11336540

Sounds like reflection upon yourself, like you couldn't care about internet freedom whatsoever.

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>>11407637
>Like the Spanish Inquisition
The Spanish Inquisition was meant to root out 'conversos' who had supposedly converted to Catholicism but were in fact secretly still jews (and to a lesser extent muslims). This was after said groups had been given the choice to convert or gtfo earlier (a better choice than convert or die that was more common at the time). It was later still after Spain had been conquered and ruled under an Islamic theocracy for several hundred years, which happened in no small part due to jewish collaboration.

Inquisition dindu nuffin,
[spoilermeme]Otherwise you're totally correct, though.[/spoilermeme]

WALL

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>>11402735
You had time to adapt, but wanted cancer instead. Trumpcare was designed to kill you people and it's only a relief it didn't happen because actual Americans would have been hit as well.

>>11402471
In other words, you didn't like that people defended themselves from the WASPy social engineering.

>>11398553
Bernie lost by 3.7 million leftist votes. He wasn't in touch with the people, only with the RON PAUL memesters that are louder than their numbers would normally allow.

>>11410827
Time to adapt, yes, I'll give you that. The problem is that we didn't have MONEY to adapt. And all the time in the world wouldn't do jack-shit if you don't have the resources to adapt, and resources cost money.
It doesn't help that a lot of the money that should have gone into adapting has gone into those fucking windmill "Renewable resource" scams that are lining more and more of the mountain ranges in our state. Which are renewable, but not to the extent that they're portrayed as; the amount of revenue each of those windmills generates is enough to cover the maintenance costs of that windmill. In other words, they make enough to break even, but not to pay back the millions invested into getting them set up, and certainly not to get more money into the economy.

We don't WANT coal, it's that we have to keep mining it because there's nothing to replace it. The mountains make building anything like industrial plants or stores prohibitively expensive, the tolls from the highways used to transport goods through our state isn't even enough to cover the costs of maintaining those roads, much less finish Corridor H, which would bring in much more money if we could just get the funding to finish the damn thing. Our tourist industry is strong, and Forestry is a consistent, self-renewing source of income both for the state and for private landowners, but neither of those is strong enough to support the entire state's economy on their own.

So tell me, exactly how are we supposed to "adapt" without any outside help, when we're already barely maintaining what we already have in place? What would you suggest we do? Because there's a lot of money in it for you if you have a feasible, workable solution that won't tank our already-precarious state economy.

>>11411248
He doesn't have shit. He just wants to act holier-than-thou while ignoring what Saint Obama did to everywhere that wasn't a lateral coast.