Is it possible to hate SJWs and Nazis at the same time?

>>11051672
Yes. You don't have to be one to hate the other.

I have this strange sudden urge to purchase Fallout 4 DLC...

>>11051672
Yes, its called being a decent human being who has more important things to do than bitch about useless shit.

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>>11051672
Your choices are either radical centrism or anti-identitarian class reductionism. The former still defines itself in the terms of the extremes and the latter has all but vanished except for the darkest corners of the internet like leftypol. Sorry for your situation.

>>11051672
Nope, you hate nazies you get called a swj hillary shill, you hate sjw's you get called a nazi that supports trump

>>11051945
Couldn't I just exist outside of the established spectrum?

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>>11051672
Pic related

>>11051672
Actual, emotionally fuelled hate towards any demographic is ill-tempered and juvenile

no, it's like dividing by zero, if you try to do it the universe implodes

>>11051672
They're two heads of the same stupidity claiming moral superiority and demanding others have lesser rights based on genetic factors.

>>11052003
>bringing your pc to a movie theater to fap to 2d lewds
I thought I was the only one

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you know what really irks me, people who think the nazis were white supremacists. They weren't, they were German supremacists. The Nazis killed tens of millions of other white people because they considered them inferior. And look where that got them.

>>11053174
I don't think people assume that, I think they assume modern day American Nazis are white supremacists. Which they (kinda) are.

>>11052767
There is no downside to this

Anon you must divide by zero and become one with the void.

>>11051672
I hate being set on fire and I hate freezing my fingers off. Both sides are just that, extremities.

>>11053174
So the ones that are more or less like them today are the japanese?

I only hate nazis.

Then again I have a degree, a job and a fiancee.

>>11053174
White supremacists today also hate any White person that wouldn't fit in at a John Birch meeting.

Nice try.

>>11051672
Yes, the world isn't black and white.

Neutral

>>11051672
Yes, of course. I hate both. Buzzword-spamming retards who hate me for not hating others and liking things that they don't.

>>11051672

Nazis have been nicer and more polite to me than SJW and im not even fucking white

Yeah but you'll get shat on for being a centrist.

Of course

Nazis haven't existed for 70 years, why would you hate them if you weren't 80+ years old?

>>11053174
From my understanding, white supremacism is really just an American invention (from the times of the Civil War; Birth of a Nation and all that) and they just project it onto others. Like in that story where Hitler was supposedly pissed at a black athlete Jesse Owens for winning in 1936, when in reality, it was the American president that snubbed him.

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>>11053174
>start war that kills 70 million whites
>be worshipped by idiots decades from now as saviors of the white "race"

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Most rational people do. The only problem is that because media survives on viewership for dat ad revenue, they hand the microphone to the most obnoxious of either side in order to generate controversy, because that brings viewers.

>>11056764
That's no longer true. Now everything is political. All media cover up bad things done by people they support and demonize everything done by people they oppose.

>>11056711
Don't expect much thought out of nu /pol/.
>>11056800
It sucks how things have led to this moment, but in my experience most people who are worth a damn tend to at least keep that to themselves. In person at least.

>>11056800
I think you might be overestimating the problem, I like to watch euronews on tv and listen to bbc radio to get my news, they're both pretty good.

>>11056800

That's basically what I said though. Just a touch more cynical.

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>>11051694
Please buy five copies. That's how much I liked it.

>>11057059
Oh, well thank you for the recommendation, Mr. Smith.

>>11054332
>people who want me dead are nice

>>11057157
Not all Nazis are as genocidal as SJWs.

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>>11052003
>stormfags
>noermies
>cucks
I choose /pol/ any day.

>>11057187
>Not all Nazis
Lol, should be hashtag.

But really though, you're an idiot. If nazis got what they wanted you would be dead or in a camp.

>>11057220
I like the fact that you thought your post wasn't already retarded enough, so you went and added futa to it too.

>>11057220
It is ok to be stupied anon as long you are trying to change that. Sadly, you don't even know where is your problem.

>>11057225
Not that person.

And you don't know him. Maybe he doesn't like bending over fags and trannies? SJWs would turn on him on a dime. They hold special hatred for conservative and self-reliant members of a minority. The Nazis are much more likely to support that kind of behavior.

>>11057282
>The Nazis are much more likely to support any non-white

>>11057348
Yeah.

>>11051672
That's how it should be. It pisses me off that so many people become closed mindet nazis just because they hate SJWs

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>>11051672

>>11057557
"Wait a minute. There's something bothering me about this place..."

"I know! This nazi/commie bar doesn't have a fire exit. Enjoy your death trap, fascists!"

>>11057187
>#notallnazis
I'm jewish so I think you understand why I take such serious issue with nazis. These people are worshiping an ideology that murdered many people in my family and would have murdered me if they could have. All because of an accident of birth. I can't understand how anyone could possibly support that.

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>>11057883
>I'm jewish so I think you understand why I take such serious issue with nazis.
Suffering from PTSD inherited from your grandparents most probably. Getting sprayed against fleas must be quite horrible

>>11057883

I'm from a family of land owners and independent businessmen and communists in my country tried to kill us all, many of our friends died and only a violent coup and a dictator stopped them.

The worst mistake anyone could make is forget to ask themselves why were Germans turning to Nazism, and dismiss the real problems they faced. The chaos, insecurity, poverty, disenfranchisement and continuous demoralization of people makes them want to seize power and lash out. Jewish communities were deeply involved in the attempted coups and violence in the Weinmar era and they quickly became antagonistic for those that saw international movements as pecking at the wounded, decaying country.

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>>11057988

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>>11058104
>Nazifag trying to pretend anything nazism is okay
>IT WAS DA JOOZ FAULT BAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWW

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>>11058105
>The real reason why the goon is triggered by smug.

>>11058122

See? Exactly what i mean.

Zero attempts to understand the sociological aspect to combat it, just blind violence.

The problem is that they are always better at violence.

>>11058104
>Jewish communities were deeply involved in the attempted coups and violence in the Weinmar era
like what exactly
>inb4 Spartacist uprising, an extremely minor event over a decade before nazis became politically active that was not led by jews

>>11057988
are you seriously denying the holocaust happened?

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>>11057883
>All because of an accident of birth.
You sure it wasn't because of jewery and the bolshevik revolutions prior to the formation of the nazi party? Or do you think the hatred spurred from a vacuum?

>>11058245
by accident of birth I meant that I never asked or chose to be born a jew

Those things, if they did occur, were the actions of some jews in Germany and certainly not endorsed by all jews everywhere, who may not have even been aware that they happened at all. Yet the Nazis made it their mission to murder all jews everywhere, children, whole families, they didn't care.

This is what hatred does, it dehumanizes people. I just can't understand why someone would want to go back to that.

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>>11058213
>are you seriously denying the holocaust happened?
What could have given you such a preposterous idea?

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>>11058293
I'm curious, which one are you?

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>>11058289
>by accident of birth I meant that I never asked or chose to be born a jew
You know what to do then.

>Yet the Nazis made it their mission to murder all jews everywhere, children, whole families, they didn't care.
Shame they weren't methodical enough.


>This is what hatred does, it dehumanizes people. I just can't understand why someone would want to go back to that.
Your filthy race has this remarkable ability to get an entire nation to want to put them in ovens. This has happened throughout history. Why do you think that might be?


>>11058310
>moral grandstanding and sense of intellectual superiority
>on /trash/
Well, I've surely been told, now haven't I.

>>11058460
Why do you deny the holocaust when there is an overwhelming amount of primary sources that support it?

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>>11058470
>primary sources that support it?
Like all those doctored photos? Or the fact that the famed angel of death somehow experimented on live noses in the morgue section of Auschwitz.

>>11058518
there are no sources in your image, that's not a primary source at all

In 6 million number comes from 1946 when the British government set up an inquiry with the specific intent of discrediting Jewish immigration to Palestine and downplaying the Holocaust. It was headed by centre-right, non-Jewish, senior judges, civil servants and diplomats from America and the UK.

Its reluctant findings estimated the number of Jewish victims from the Holocaust at 5.7 million...

Germany - 195,000
Austria - 53,000
Czechoslovakia - 255,000
Denmark - 1,500
France - 140,000
Belgium - 57,000
Luxemburg - 3,000
Norway - 1,000
Holland - 120,000
Italy - 20,000
Yugoslavia - 64,000
Greece - 64,000
Bulgaria - 5,000
Romania - 530,000
Hungary - 200,000
Poland - 3,271,000
USSR - 1,050,000

Total Number Jews Killed - 5,721,500

and heres the source (see how that works)
http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/angcov.asp

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>>11058585
>yale
>using a jew university to prove jew propaganda
Arsenal running dry JIDF?

>Bulgaria - 5,000
Nice try there moshe, but there were no kikes fleeced on the territory of Bulgaria. Bulgaria was the only country during WW2 that didn't have aflea problem.

that one's not even worth a (you)

>>11051672
totally,I'm personlly just sick of hearing anything related to politics at this point...

>>11058873
Is the smug anime girl pic there to confirm this post is satirical or what?

>>11057557
SJWs are liberal LARPers tho.

>>11058518
>Like all those doctored photos?
Good utermensch. Believe the memes. Der Fuhrer would never lie to you.

Look at this obviously fake footage of all these wax dummies they buried. Make Adolph proud and tell all your family and friends that it is fake. You must spread the truth. Hail Hitler!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0YC2npps9s

>>11058518
>only 240000 Jews were living in Germany
Hey numbnuts, did it ever occur to you that the Germans killed people in other countries besides Germany during the war?

>the Nazis didn't want to kill the Jews, only deport them
LOL. You retards are so fucking delusional.

>Hurr durr they born all the corpses
They burried plenty of them, retard. The mass grave photos show you. Oh wait, you probably think they were photoshopped back in the 40s with ye old Adobe.

Unironically kill yourself. I wouldn't even feel about it if you did.

>>11058178
>Zero attempts to understand the sociological aspect to combat it, just blind violence.
Sounds just like a nazi.

>The problem is that they are always better at violence.
You're right. Real nazism hasn't been tried yet :^)

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>>11058174
>weebs are actually this deluded
I like how weebs are so self-unaware that they can't comprehend that posting a Japanese cartoon image as an argument is not an argument and just outs them as a cringey weeaboo.

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>>11065385
>you probably think they were photoshopped back in the 40s with ye old Adobe.

I like to play the devil advocate here, photo manipulation has existed for a long time Joseph Stalin was known to use this for propaganda or political reasons.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photo_manipulation#History

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_images_in_the_Soviet_Union

http://twistedsifter.com/2012/02/famously-doctored-photographs/

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>>11051945
Most of the people on the left hate liberal identity politics bullshit though, particularly the "dirtbag left" and the "BernieBros", it doesn't really seem limited to just /leftypol/

>>11051672
Is it possible to hate cars and automobiles at the same time?

>>11065887
Removing something is a little different from creating hundreds of "fake" dead bodies in entirely different poses and putting it into a photo and all of them having matching perspective.

>>11051672
Definitely. There are a wide range of political views you can have, and most people don't fall into two narrowly defined groups. However, I would caution against the "both sides are the same" fallacy a lot of people seem to fall into. SJWs (as most people define the term) ultimately just want greater justice and equality for historically oppressed groups, even if their approach to those problems can be questionable. Nazis on the other hand want to exterminate half the population and violently oppress the other half. It's really not accurate to compare them.

Think of it this way: if one group or the other suddenly came into power, which one would put your life and liberty in more immediate danger?

>>11066748
If abortion rights, treating trans Americans as human and not thinking Arpaio is cool is identity politics then the class purists can go kill themselves.

>>11066930
You are forgetting that channers think living in a world where hate speech and ironic nazism is a misdemeanor is worse than being executed or gassed.

i hate /polfront/ because i don't use social media so i don't experience liberal stuff first hand and i'm also a "subhuman".

>>11051672
more often than not the people the you'll associate with "SJWs" are actually constantly shat on by sjws. for instance the "kill all men muh womyn" are often radical feminists, which are ignored on most platforms as they're hateful little cunts who need to choke. hating nazis make sense because they're fucking evil, what do you even need to say here? desu you'll probably find that the people you ignore as sjws make a lot of sense if you just put labels aside for a second and listen to them. more often than not they're right but even then you have bullshit like mogai coming along with spacegender and "i identify as this real person who lived. thats me."

>>11066994
Better to die standing up than to live on your knees.

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>>11066940
Not sure where you got the idea that the left has a problem with that? But we're not going to bow down to come corporate stooges like Shillary and now Kamala Harris just because they're women. Hell, Bernie was actually participating in the civil rights movement when Shillary was a proud "Goldwater girl", and Bernie has always supported LGBT rights while the liberals only started supporting them after they started gaining mainstream support.
The difference is that people on the left don't go around shitting on men and white people because of some retarded notion of collective guilt, and we don't act like shuffling around the demographics of the ruling class will somehow fix things for everyone. We don't need more black billionaires or female billionaires, we need to get rid of billionaires altogether and put that money back in the pockets of working people where it belongs.

>>11067224
did not expect to find socialists on trash but its a good sight to see

>>11067224
>we need to get rid of billionaires altogether and put that money back in the pockets of working people where it belongs.
How are you going to do that?

>>11058460
>Your filthy race has this remarkable ability to get an entire nation to want to put them in ovens.
Yeah, because Germans are subhumans.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ztOV2wrrkY

>>11067278
How do you think? Seize their wealth and redistribute it.

>>11067426
And how are you going to do THAT?

>>11057187
>Not all Nazis are as genocidal as SJWs.
Holy shit this is the funniest thing I've read all day.

>>11067449
Easy, they give it to the state or they get jailed and their wealth is forcefully taken. Use some basic problem solving skills, I'm sure you have them.

>>11067514
What did someone like Oprah do to deserve getting her wealth forcefully taken presumably at gunpoint?

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>>11067278
>How are you going to do that?
Depends on who you ask. Social Democrats want to work within the system with things like high taxes on the rich and increasing spending on social programs and public services similar to some European countries and what we did in the US up until Reagan pushed the "trickle-down" meme and started a trend of privatizing fucking everything.
People on the far left, such as socialists, communists, and anarchists, think that social democracy is just a bandaid solution and can be easily undone like what happened in the US, and thus want to abolish the system of private property and shift to a system where property ownership is determined by usage. That means no more trust fund kiddies siphoning off the value of people's work just because they own shares in a business, and the workers get the full value of their labor, similar to how co-op businesses work now.
I know some people might consider that theft, but its important to understand that property is not some fundamental right- I could declare myself ruler of the earth but it wouldn't mean shit unless everyone acknowledged it or I could back up my claim with brute force- similarly, private property only exists now because the state has agreed to enforce the owner's claim to it. When such a system is clearly not working out for the majority of the population, those people have no obligation to uphold such a system.

>>11066748
Trump won because Hillary Clinton was unelectable, end of story.

>>11067630
What did you do to deserve getting your wealth forcefully taken, and if you don't cough up your money you'll be taken (at gunpoint) and locked in a cage.

We as a society have agreed that its ok for the state to steal some of your money against your will to allow it to function. Those with more should give more.

>>11067630
Nothing. But she should know that others need it more than her. One person does not need more than one house, for instance. Homeless people could be living there, and they'd be able to actually /live/ if wealth was being redistributed.

>>11067705
How much more should be taken, then? If I managed to make almost 200 grand a year as a physician, and you managed to make around 30 grand a year working in a warehouse, how much more should you take from me before you thought it was fair? Do you take half of my earnings? A quarter?

>>11068060
M8, even under the social democratic method of wealth redistribution through taxation, someone making 200k would notice little or no difference- its the ultra-rich fuckers like Bezos and Soros that would take the hit (which makes it all the more baffling that right-wingers think an ultracapitalist like Soros is somehow a leftist).

>>11056711
>Slavs
>White

>>11066748
/leftypol/ and 8ch in general is an autistic hellhole that makes /pol/ look like one of the best boards in this entire site.

>>11068145
How much do you take, then? For both the person making 200k a year and someone like Bezos?

>>11068060
99.999%

>>11066940
>treating trans Americans as human
Treating them as human would mean not allowing them to succumb to their mental illness and receive proper treatment like other mentally ill people so they can live a long and productive life.

>>11068256
That ultimately comes down to how much someone makes, are you familiar with how progressive tax brackets work? Basically, the first X amount of money that people make gets taxed at the same rate regardless of their total income, then once you get up to the next bracket, its only the money that you made PAST that first bracket that gets taxed at an increased rate, and so on up until you reach the top bracket. So hypothetically, if the tax rate for 0-20k was 10% and 20k-50k was 15% and someone made 40k, they'd only pay 10% of their first 20k (-2k) and 15% of the next 20k (-3k), leaving them with 35k even though they're in the 15% bracket. Having a particularly high upper bracket would only affect the super-rich who make so much that most of their income falls into that bracket- back in the mid 20th century in the US, the top bracket was over 90% at some points, effectively creating a soft-cap on income. Of course, we'd also need to get rid of the ridiculous capital gains bullshit we have now and tax them at the same rate as everyone else.
In the more reasonable brackets where all the working class people are, many people would actually be left with more spending money despite higher taxes if those taxes went back to them in the form of public services such as single-payer healthcare- Americans actually pay far, far more for healthcare compared to most countries.

>>11066930
>SJWs (as most people define the term) ultimately just want greater justice and equality for historically oppressed groups, even if their approach to those problems can be questionable

Maybe you're using a different definition of SJW than what I think of, but the people I think of as SJWs clearly want exactly what the Nazis do; a feeling of belonging, righteous indignation and power over others.

If they achieve their supposed policy goals, they'll just move to encroach further on our liberties, because they are unthinking authoritarians driven by an urge to dominate.

If the foundations of democracy, like the right to free expression, a culture that values truth and rational discussion, and equal treatment and opportunity of all people under the law, are undermined, there's no telling what horrible stupid shit we spiral into. We need that stuff. Maybe Nazis are worse, but if we let the SJWs in on some lesser of two evils rationale, we're just as fucked in the long run.

>>11068615
as I understand it transitioning IS the treatment, since their brain chemistry is such that it doesn't fit their body

>>11051672
Good on you OP.
You're one of the people that they call normal.

>>11068974
>as I understand it transitioning IS the treatment
Ah, the meme pushed by transgenders and their enablers because the only thing they want to hear is what panders to them.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/paul-mchugh-transgender-surgery-isnt-the-solution-1402615120

>>11070086
>getting your opinions from a religious nutjob who has been discredited by virtually everybody else who works in the field
Wew lad

http://imgur.com/gallery/725A7

will nazis ever refute this link?

>>11056711
>the face of 10's nu-nazies
I still miss the punkies

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You know what we need? More centrist extremism. The center must join forces and start punching Nazis and Commies.

>>11070467
>discredited by virtually everybody else who works in the field
Yeah because everyone in the field likes pandering to SJWs and identity politics now, you retard.

Although some of them just do it for the money.

>>11072112
>everybody discredited him
>MUH ES-JAY-DUBYAS
the only one retarded here is you

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>>11051672
No shit? You can hate the equal of psychopaths and sociopaths both at the same time. C'mon Todd, don't make me find the teletubby pic.

>>11051672
Common denominator theory
>national SOCIALists
>SOCIAL justice warriors
Common denominator: Socialism.
Nazi's and SJW's are flavors of one of approximately 20 or more political ideologies.

>>11072447

>reaching this far

>>11072447
this is pretty dumb, the nazis called themselves socialist but had no real relation to democratic socialism, all the actual socialists were purged from the party by 1935

>>11072138
>HRT/SRS shill calling some a retard
Oh yes wise anon, tell us more about how chromosomes don't exist and how sex is fluid.

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>>11074250
>no argument
If you're triggered you're free to return to your gender studies class at your local socjus-ruled college.

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>>11073874

This. The name "National Socialist German Workers' Party" was explicitly designed to appeal to as wide an audience as possible. Nazism was only socialist in that it broke up unearned income, dictated healthcare and education at the national level, and nationalized heavy industries. It should be noted, that the end goal of all this was to orient the state entirely toward wars of aggression.

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>>11074323

Outside commentor here. That wasn't the guy you were arguing with. Did you not see the poster count tick up with that reply?

>>11074400
If you're not the guy then it's even more pathetic that you're defending him.

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>>11074433

I'm not. I'm just enjoying the show.

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>>11066930
>ultimately just want greater justice and equality for historically oppressed groups
Pic related.

>if one group or the other suddenly came into power, which one would put your life and liberty in more immediate danger?
SJWs.

>>11067224
>>11067426
>>11067514
>>11067715

Giving the money to poor people isn't going to make them less poor in the long run, It's only going to make them spend a lot then go back to normal misery.

Money does not represent a good by itself, it's an expression of buying power, there's literally not enough bills in the world, let alone gold silver or copper to make all the astronomical numbers on screens mean jackshit if you were to withdraw it and distribute it. That money literally DOES NOT EXIST, it's just a theoretical expression of a series of investments, expectations and actions, a bunch of IOUs based off interest attached to previous IOUs, if you spread that money around, it would disappear into the nothingness that it is, because that money literally only matters when the entities that have it wield it.

And the rich are not a flaw in the system, wealth accumulated is never just taken out of the economy but invested again. Expensive cars need expensive materials and highly trained, well paid workers to build them, stocks in companies make them open new jobs, make cheaper and more accessible products, and enable them to employ and invest in the arts and advances in the experimental sciences.

There's a saying that goes "give a man a fish and you'll feed him for a day, teach him to fish and he will be fed forever". The poor classes need ACCESS to social advancement, mobility and means to accumulate wealth are more beneficial, create a more stable system and ultimately spread actual wealth, not made up representations of wealth.

This is why socialism fails, it's even more materialistic than capitalism. You don't understand money.

>>11056836
The BBC itself is getting pretty bad, though they haven't lost all of their credibility

>>11077419
>And the rich are not a flaw in the system, wealth accumulated is never just taken out of the economy but invested again.
This is the main problem with your argument, this argument would hold up if countries existed in a vacuum, but they don't. Money gets horded in off-shore accounts and not reintroduced into the economy, and even worse, multi-billion dollar organizations send millions of dollars overseas to cheap labor every year. That money doesn't come back, because America doesn't produce anything for other countries to buy/spend money on.

If the rich would invest in local business, here, in America, and hire Americans, I wouldn't have as much of a problem with the distribution of wealth as I do.

>>11077419
I remember reading that in order to avoid poverty, there are literally only three things that people need to do in order to achieve that goal. Complete high school, find a full time job, and wait until you're married to have children. That's it. If you do those things, the chances of you being in poverty are only like two percent while joining the middle class is like 75 percent.

>>11051672
It's called common sense

>>11080467
>Find a full time job.
Yeah... about that. Not as easy as you think.

>>11051672
No, pick a side and be angry

>>11080741
But I don't want to be angry.
I want to actually fix the issues we have as a society.

>>11067635
>I know some people might consider that theft, but its important to understand that property is not some fundamental right
I think this is a fundamental difference between the far left and everyone else. It's one of morality, no matter how much the far left dismisses that as le spook meme. Most people, in no small part because they have been born and bred in a world where it goes uncontested, private property is a given, a universal constant, to the point where some people think it's somehow natural, and to violate it is necessarily immoral. The socialists and leftists see the extraction of surplus-value inherent in private property as the real immorality.

>>11068060
Assumed in your question is that private property still exists, or else such fortunes most likely wouldn't be obtainable. Ultimately, ending private property and redistributing wealth isn't about redistributing money/capital, but the means of production.

>>11051672
Is it possible to be normal? Yes.

>>11067650
That's an odd thing to say when she got more votes from actual people than her opponent.

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>tfw pleasantly civilized political discussion in the age of /pol/

>>11070881
Anon, that has been the status quo for a few decades now. Pic related.

>>11077419
I mentioned in my previous message that, for socialists and anarchists, it's not so much about redistributing capital, but the means of production. Capital is a flow; it's created and destroyed constantly. Redistributing it can only go so far if the means of production remain with the rich. The means are how value is created, and that's what matters, what needs to be redistributed, or rather collectivized.

"Equality of opportunity, not equality of result" is a popular slogan in the right. But the thing is, capitalism NEEDS an exploited underclass, deprived of opportunities. Explaining the details would take books, so I'll just leave an example: imagine if the poor countries from which yours buys goods were to suddenly pay all their workers good wages. Can you imagine what would happen to your economy?

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>>11082651
I'm not that guy, but I want to address this.

The tired and stupid "popular vote" argument aside, Hillary really was unelectable, and I say this as a left leaning person. The fact that it was as close as it was is completely due to the fact that her opponent was just as unelectable as she was. If you had put any real politician up against Hillary they would have defeated her in a landslide. There's nothing likeable about Hillary except that she wasn't Trump. Seriously, name one thing you like about her that isn't "Woman. Democrat. Not Trump" Because I certainly can't think of any. Even within the current political shit-fest landscape, with the broken two-party system that basically forces people to adopt the values of one side or the other and defend it blindly, even when adjusting for the fact that all politicians are lying, self-serving, sociopaths to some degree, she was still completely unlikable, which is saying a lot for a politician.

I'm not the kinda retard that thinks Bernie would have been a good replacement either, but at least he had charisma. Hillary played like a out of touch bag of bones who thinks she's better than everyone and is entitled to the presidency because that's what she is. Even today, instead of blaming her own mistakes for her loss, (like her failure to pander to the working class, her sheer lack of effort in the campaign, insulting the other candidate's supporters, and her primary platform being 'I'm not the other guy') she blames sexism and racists.

Hillary thought she would win because she wasn't Trump, but Trump won because he wasn't Hillary.

>>11082897
Didn't say I liked Hillary, but the term "unelectable" is just silly. She literally got more votes than Trump. Hardly "unelectable". Even for people who support the electoral college system, it's facile to say someone who got millions of votes more than their opponent is "unelectable".

>>11082948
Are you illiterate or just being intentionally obtuse? Those "millions" of votes she got over Trump basically all came from California, who would vote [D] no matter who ran. Your argument doesn't hold water. If the democrats keep pushing this narrative that Hillary was "robbed of victory" they WILL lose in 2020. They, and their supporters, in this case you, need to wake up to what really happened. She never should have been running in the first place.

>>11082897
It's kinda funny that the American media similarly can't defeat Trump despite harping on and on 24/7 about Russia and Nazis and shit, because it utterly ruined its public image thanks to the absurdly biased coverage of the primaries and election. Socjus infected the entire liberal media to some degree, and now they're paying the price.

>>11083000
You seem to be laboring under the delusion that I've said something I haven't.

Calling Clinton "unelectable" is silly when she got ~3 million more votes from actual citizens than her opponent. This is not a statement that she "should have won". This is not a statement that she "was robbed". This is not a statement that "the popular vote is all that matters."

It is a statement pointing out the silliness of calling someone "unelectable" when they demonstrably, empirically, received more votes than their opponent in an election.

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>>11083010
Yes, this is another reason that the right is gaining so much momentum right now. The liberal media, (and I feel gross even using that phrase, but it's become actually relevant) was unmasked as the fact reshaping revisionists that they have become in the last decade and people are rejecting them. However instead of fixing these issues they are doubling down, (the google firing recently is a prime example, it crossed the line from 'giving facts with side of opinion' to 'just plain fucking lying about what happened and what was said') because currently they can fall back on Trump coverage for ratings. The silver lining is that once Trump is out of office and someone much more boring is elected (and I honestly believe that will be the result of the Trump administration, a severe course over-correction to the other side) places like CNN will no longer have outrage to carry their ratings, and with most people distrusting them as it is, it could spell death for them, unless they either shape up or figure out a new way to create outrage (I'm betting they go for the latter)

>>11083079
You're the kinda person that doesn't listen to someone else's points when they talk and just repeats yours over and over again like that's an argument. Not worth my time. If you don't understand that the votes she got from California are basically a gimmie for any [D] then I don't know what to tell you.

>>11083219
You've simply moved the goalposts from "clinton is unelectable despite her literally getting more votes" to "well those votes are all from people that support her, so they don't matter"

>>11083251
I haven't moved anything.
>She was unelectable and the only reason it was so close was because her opponent was also unelectable.
That was always my stance. I can't tell if you're attempting to troll or if you're actually one of those people who thinks using buzzwords like "moving the goalposts" and "fallacy!!!" makes you good at debate. Those words don't get you upvotes here boy. Either way, your point is invalid and I've outlined why in at least 2 different ways, and your response each time was to restate your original point as if that does anything. You're the worst kind of person to argue with, the kind who projects his own stubborness and inability to budge on the other person. It's like talking to a brick wall, only with the added annoyance of the brick wall constantly insisting that "I'm not a brick wall, you're a brick wall!"

People like you are the reason we can't reach middle ground in political discussions.

>>11083380
>I haven't moved anything.
Yeah ya have. Clinton was called "unelectable". I pointed out that that term is facile, given she got more votes. You took this as an argument that she "should have won" and that she "was robbed". I pointed out that this was not what I said. You stated that the votes she received were all from people who supported her, as if this somehow invalidates them. I pointed out that you moved the goalposts. You stated you didn't.

Ya did.

>>11058104
>Jewish communities were deeply involved in the attempted coups and voilence.

I know very little of the Wienmar republic, would you mind backing up that claim with evidence?

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>>11073960
Anon, just because you're missing a few dosent mean they dont exist.

>>11083556
>being illiterate
Wouldn't expect any less from a weeb

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>>11083581
Are you implying that i watch dubs?

>>11083413
I'm going to try this one more time, because I don't have anything better to do right now, I know it's futile because you've stuck your heels into your position so hard that even if I proved you unequivocally wrong at this point you'd simply fall back on your position that "she got more votes, so she obviously wasn't unelectable" which is like saying that more people would prefer to eat concrete than eat shit, it doesn't make either edible.

>I pointed out that that term is facile, given she got more votes.
And I countered this by explaining that the amount of votes she got doesn't change the fact that she was unelectable because the votes she received were from people who would have voted for a bag of literal garbage as long as it had a [D] next to it's name. You believe this point is invalid because you seem to think that people actually consider their choice when voting. They do not. The places that gave her the votes to get "millions more" than Trump were never going to vote for anyone else no matter what. They do not pertain to the statement that she is unelectable. Your point is not relevant, understand?

>You took this as an argument that she "should have won" and that she "was robbed"
No, I didn't. Again, you fail to understand the crux of my explanation, that statement was made about the general public opinion that you appeal to for your first point here, your implication that she is "not unelectable" is based on the fact that a large quantity of voters who are statistically guaranteed to vote for her did. This argument implies your adherence to the stance of this population that the popular vote argument is even worth bringing up, which as I've already explained is irrelevant anyways. This was never a discussion about the electoral college, you seem to be confused on that.

(cont)

>>11051672
In principle their movement to censorship and unwillingness to challenge their own opinions, along with their us vs them mentality, make them the same damn thing in function.
Become an individual anon, dont fall for the us vs them meme.

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>>11083686
You can't deny there are some great dubs out there.

>>11051945
>the latter has all but vanished except for the darkest corners of the internet like leftypol.
>Leftypol
>Anti-identitarian
You realize that Leftypol is a hyper-communist shit-hole right? They are as bad if not worse than identitarian leftists.

>>11083413
>>11083740

>I pointed out that this was not what I said.
And when you did, you added this.
>It is a statement pointing out the silliness of calling someone "unelectable" when they demonstrably, empirically, received more votes than their opponent in an election.
These votes do not matter as I already pointed out in my previous post. So this statement is again, irrelevant.
>were all from people who supported her
They didn't support her. They supported her party.
>as if this somehow invalidates them.
It doesn't invalidate the votes, it invalidates your reasoning for the votes. Your argument is, again, based on her receiving votes from places statically guaranteed to
vote for [D] candidates. If someone always votes for the person wearing a green dress in a singing competition, it doesn't mean the person wearing the green dress is a good singer. It means the person voting would have voted for her no matter what.

>I pointed out that you moved the goalposts.
Firstly, I didn't. Secondly, aside from being your pet buzzword right now what exactly is the "goal post" in this analogy? What is your "GOAL" here? To convince me that Clinton was electable? And your method of doing this is by pointing out that people who would have voted for a [D] no matter what voted for her? Your reasoning is weak and your "goal posts" were never moved, you fell short of them and then kicked the dirt and said I moved them. I'm so sick and tired of people viewing arguments as something you need to "win", like you need to put your position into the "goal" and obtain a "victory" over the other person. Discussions like this are supposed to be a give and take, but you put in so little effort into backing up your points that it's impossible for me to take anything from them. And you know why you do this, because the less you attempt to back up your points the harder it is for you to look incorrect.

She was unelectable, so was he. That's always been the "goal post".

>>11083740
I suppose I'll just have to say that I'm sorry that certain subtleties of debate such as "staying on topic" are elusive to you to the point that you think terms like "moving the goalposts" is a buzzword.

It's clear you won't be able to derive my meaning from anything I say as you seem to lack the capacity; you only have the capacity to project your own meaning onto my words. For that, I do truly pity you.

>>11056764
With all this about the media being manipulative no matter the side their on i have to ask the question:
Is the media truly a friend of the people, or is it naturally their enemy?

>>11083877
Should have quit while you were ahead, you flew too close to the sun with this one, good bait up until this point though, but no one is this stupid so it gave your whole ruse away.

>>11083896
No bait here. I genuinely tried to explain something to you. You just really didn't have any desire (or perhaps capacity) to understand it.

>>11083774
I will not deny that. Tbh i prefer the dubs to panty and stocking over the subs. Space dandy also has one of my favorite dubs.

>>11083915
You didn't explain anything, you said "no you're wrong, here's some buzzwords about it" while I typed like 5k words on what my point was. It's a pathetic and sad tactic to be as terse as possible when arguing to avoid giving the other person vectors to disprove you through, but it's an even more pathetic and sad tactic to respond to a well thought out dismantling of your points by going "well I guess you're just dumb"

The worst part is that I really want you to understand what's going wrong in your mental process. You think I really care about proving some two-bit point about electability? No, what's far more annoying is the fundamental misunderstanding of how one argues their points. I'm sorry, but you're either baiting or you are actually unintelligent. That's not a "dig" on you, it's not designed to upset you or anything like that, it's not emotionally motivated, it's the honest way you come off. There's a difference between respecting someone's opinion and respecting the person. I gave you respect up until you went full retard on me, you never afforded me any respect from the start because you believe "I have to win this argument even if I'm wrong", or even worse "I can't be wrong because I am me and I will never question my own views", if this is how you argue then what exactly is the point? What do you gain from it? To "prove someone else wrong"? what a pathetic goal. Your worldview has not been expanded at all by the information I provided, and more insulting you provided no information to expand mine.

You're a jackass dude.

>>11051672
Le horshoe faic ecks dee

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>>11084362

As an outside observer in all this, you're the one who's behaving like a jackass, here, mate. The guy you're arguing with reiterated his point precisely once and you unleash a tirade of ad hominems on him. Take it from a self-proclaimed master debater, rhetoric matters, and your rhetoric really makes you come across as an arrogant hypocrite.

If your aim is truly to have a discussion, shutting down the other side by ranting about perceived faults in their mental capacity gets you precisely nowhere (you may notice it's one of the reasons politics is so fucked right now). If you're trolling, you're putting way too much effort into it, mate.

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>>11083885
>Is the media truly a friend of the people, or is it naturally their enemy?

Even if the press is heavily partisan, that's still preferable to having a monolithic media machine under the thumb of the government. So long as you understand what outlets hold which biases, and so long as you intake from as wide a selection of sources as possible (and don't believe any of the bullshit the likes of Fox, CNN, or NBC say about providing "fair and balanced coverage") you are still better off as a citizen than having the government's line constantly shoved down your throat.

As pretty much all of the Founding Fathers said, a free press is a vital cornerstone to a strong republic, as it is one of the essential guards against tyranny. And despite what its detractors (and especially those with an authoritarian bent) will tell you, the American media are still a lot more free than other places around the world.

>>11082651
and she lost

>>11082737
>I mentioned in my previous message that, for socialists and anarchists, it's not so much about redistributing capital, but the means of production. Capital is a flow; it's created and destroyed constantly. Redistributing it can only go so far if the means of production remain with the rich. The means are how value is created, and that's what matters, what needs to be redistributed, or rather collectivized.

We no longer live in an era in which the poor by themselves are capable of producing anything beyond self sustenance at a marginally small level. There is no such thing as a direct relationship between labor and production, soon there won't be any at all.

Most people work services now and services are valuable in a system of corporations and large scale financial activity by a controller. They might THEN accrue tangible wealth.

>>11066748
>People are tired of corrupt corporation owned tyrants
>That's how a corrupt corporation owner got elected
look man, i ain't too knowledgeable on government and politics but i can see irony like i can see a massive pile of shit on the floor

>>11082897
Well not to be THAT guy but you did forget, lawyer, married to the guy who fixed george bush sr's mess, advisor to said husband during his term, healthcare reform, arkansas education reform, cabinet member to obama and overall way more political experience than trump
so there's that

>>11087145
Sure, Libya is now in a state of anarchy and tens of thousands of civilians lay dead because of it, but hey, cabinet member to Obama.

>>11083740

Sure, she was unelectable, but you straight up said her opponent was too, so not every vote she got was just from people toeing the party line. Many rational people voted for her because Trump is so unappealing to anyone without an inbreeding-related mental disorder.

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>>11083807
>implying being communist is a bad thing
>>11086989
Anyone with two neurons to rub together could see that Agent Orange was full of shit, but he at least CLAIMED that he would "drain the swamp", even if he obviously had no intention of doing so. A lot of people also perceived him as being outside the establishment and voted for him as a way to give the democrats and republicans the finger, despite the fact that he was among the billionaire lobbyists funding them in the first place.
I have no love for the guy and I sure as hell didn't vote for him, but its rather amusing seeing him alienating the rest of the world and completely destroying US global hegemony with his incompetence while exposing just how much of a joke our political system is, it would be hilarious if the rumors of Bannon claiming to be a Leninist were true, now THAT would be some real 12D underwater Chutes & Ladders

>>11088226
Or maybe she's somehow less appealing than funny twitter man

>>11051672
The difference is, I don't feel threatened by Nazis. Nazis aren't in government, and they aren't in media. They aren't making policy.

We also name them by their ideology. SJW's are, more often than not, legit communists. But we can't even call them communists. They have widespread support in government (especially in Europe) and they control the media. Nazis aren't putting someone on trial for teaching his dog the Hitler salute. SJW's are. Nazis aren't setting up content codes for media. SJW's are.

They're both totalitarian and authoritarian assholes, but only one of them has real power. As such, it's already a false dichotomy.

I realized this when I read a YouTube comment by a Nazi calling for the deaths of people like me. I did not feel threatened. SJW's support people who are already calling for the deaths of people like me, and putting it in practice to boot.

>>11088263

To inbreeds who are easily amused by that shit, sure.

Honestly though, the real enemy here are the fucks that refuse to pass voting reform so we can get rid of the two patry system.

Like it doesn't even need to be getting rid of the electoral college, all we need to do is make electoral votes not winner take all by state, and get rid of first past the post in favor of a runoff vote so that third parties can actually have a reason to exist.

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>>11088310
>SJW's are, more often than not, legit communists.
Dude, what? SJWs are a bunch of retarded right-wing neoliberals, commies and other leftists have been shitting on those sorts of people since before you were born https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoA_zY6tqQw
>They're both totalitarian and authoritarian assholes, but only one of them has real power. As such, it's already a false dichotomy.
SJWs are retards but last I checked it was the conservatives that controlled all 3 branches of government in the US

>>11053174
>people who think the nazis were white supremacists
They are, Aryanism is a subset of white supremacy.

>They weren't, they were German supremacists.
You can be both a supremacist and a nationalist, anon, they aren't in conflict with one another.

>The Nazis killed tens of millions of other white people because they considered them inferior
They killed them to preserve and advance the state towards utopia, just like Stalin and the CCCP.

>>11089326
If Aryanism is a subset of white supremacy, Nazism is also a subset of socialism.

>>11089414
>Nazism is also a subset of socialism.
It is.

>>11088589
>Dude, what? SJWs are a bunch of retarded right-wing neoliberals, commies and other leftists have been shitting on those sorts of people since before you were born

That's a load of nonsense, and you know it.

>>11089462
lol they are centre-right economically, so yes they are neo-liberals

>>11090369
Are you one of those commies who calls everything right of communism "liberal"?

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>>11090379
>commie
I don't really consider myself one but my compass says other wise

>>11090369
>DNC
>wanting war with Russia
>staunch supporter of the petro-dollar
>Chinese industrial sympathists
>sucks the cocks of big banking donors

Both of the dominant political parties in America are right leaning. Both have to court collectivist ideologies for votes; Republicans: national socialists like the neo-nazis and alt-right, Democrats: neo-communists and progressive collectivist movements such as BLM and feminism. Neither the GOP or DNC like these groups, but they'd rather make empty promises to them for votes rather than ostracize them on principle.

>>11090871
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>>11051672
at least nazi's aren't trying to make trannies human

>>11090552

You have to try really fucking hard to veer off center on that one, the fuck are you, the furfag reincarnation of el Che?

>>11053153
Fucking kek

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Unironic Fascist here,

I think us, along with National Socialists and Regular Socialists as well have similar goals in mind. We all want rich kikes removed, along with wanting to benefit our people as much as possible and defending our countries sovereignty. We all share the same opinions on Globalist and people who work against us. Overall despite /pol/ and /leftypol/ hating each other they're both similar in a way.

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>>11091008
>the fuck are you, the furfag reincarnation of el Che?

>>11091685
>I like fascism because then I can murder whoever I want with 0 repercussions
is this really what you're saying?

>>11051672
>and Nazis
I mean yeah you should I guess but theyre pretty non-existent in real life. If you gathered every supposed nazi into one place it would look pretty sizable but thats extremely insignificant when you consider that there are billions of people on the planet

>>11082651
That would seem like a good point if California and mass illegal immigration didn't exist. I guess the country prefers to be run on the general opinion of all demographics rather than the opinions of one hiveminded state

>>11090871
The DNC aren't SJW's. The SJW's themselves very often openly support communism. AntiFa are literal communists.

>>11082897
This. No one actually voted for who they wanted in office this election. The vast majority voted against who they didn't want in office, which Hillary lost in the long run

>>11091859
>The DNC aren't SJW's
That's precisely what I was arguing.

>The SJW's themselves very often openly support communism. AntiFa are literal communists.
Yes, I'm not in disagreement with either statement.

>>11083251
Californians don't support her, they just blindly vote anyone whose democratic. Youre missing his point here completely

>>11051672
That's called being a centrist, aka the only good position on a political compass.

>oy vey the holohoax happened goy
>feel bad for me because im a kike
>oy gevalt
This thread is something alright. I'm glad I read the Leuchter Report back in the day. Showed me how filthy kikes are and how much they hate any race but their own: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xm_vLutppRc

>>11066915
It's not, in most cases they'd cut out the bodies from one photo and put them into photo's from German locations.

>>11084362
This is good copy pasta material

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>>11091859
>AntiFa are literal communists

More like anarchists, really. "Communists" implies there's some level of organization above "show up to fight some guys we don't like." Those that fall under the blanket term "Antifa" can only really be linked together by their common cause of being reactionary to far-right groups; they have no game plan beyond that.

>>11084555
>As an outside observer
>Only response
>Not that anon

haha okay mate

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>>11092004
>denying the holocaust
funny you should do this because NO NAZI. Ever. Ever. Was a Holocaust denier.

This one fact shows that everything the modern deniers try to claim is a silly contrivance. From 1945 onwards, thousands of Nazis were captured and hundreds tried for their part in the Holocaust and other crimes against humanity. They tried to pretend they were someone else, they tried to pretend they didn't know what was happening, they tried to pretend they didn't have as much to do with it as others, they tried to claim they were just following orders and they tried to justify it as "the kind of thing that happens in war." But what NOT ONE of them EVER did was DENY it happened.

Even men on trial for their lives, in the full knowledge they would be hanged if convicted, never stood up in the courtroom and shouted "This is all a lie! This is a fabrication! There were no gas chambers and no crematoria! I'M BEING FRAMED!!!!" On the contrary, they gave great detail as to precisely how they had helped build and helped run the mechanics of mass murder, some of them even seeming proud of how they had achieved something so complex and on such a vast scale.

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>>11092067
They've been in bed since the beginning. I'm planning to write a book about it and it will show that Antifa is the same and that only the name is different,

>>11086989
>That's how a corrupt corporation owner got elected
>The only other option was a rich millionaire politician who was already outed as being corrupt

I don't see too much irony here

>>11051672
Communism, nazism, Islam and collectivism in general are cancer, no need to be genius to realize that.

Radical capitalism is the way to go, Ayn Rand and Milton Friedman did nothing wrong.

>>11051672
Yeah it's easy.

>>11092100
>funny you should do this because NO NAZI. Ever. Ever. Was a Holocaust denier.
But I'm not a nazi? That photo you posted was taken in England, not in Germany.

>Even men on trial for their lives, in the full knowledge they would be hanged if convicted, never stood up in the courtroom and shouted "This is all a lie! This is a fabrication! There were no gas chambers and no crematoria! I'M BEING FRAMED!!!!" On the contrary, they gave great detail as to precisely how they had helped build and helped run the mechanics of mass murder, some of them even seeming proud of how they had achieved something so complex and on such a vast scale.
Prove it. You argue like a kike, only with feelings and fake shit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_c9oIVwDM6Q

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>>11092117

>>11058310
this is how I see post-troll phase nazis, everything after berkeley is idiots on all sizes.

>>11092134
>That photo you posted was taken in England, not in Germany.
do you have a source on that claim

here's where I got the photo from
http://time.com/3679103/at-the-gates-of-hell-the-liberation-of-bergen-belsen-april-1945/
with the caption
>Mass grave at Bergen-Belsen, April 1945. George Rodger—The LIFE Picture Collection/Getty Images

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>>11092100
Communists killed more people in Gulags. Where my Reparations, commie?

>>11092004
please see
>>11058310

>>11092104
>corrupt
It's not corruption, it's stupidity. I know it can be hard to tell the difference since they can be pretty similar in politics.

>>11092171
You're certainly free to campaign for reparations from the successor states of those communist countries if you'd like. As I'm an American and not a communist I have no say in the matter so I'm not sure why you're asking me.

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>>11092163
Do you have any real proof that was taken in Germany other than hearsay? You don't. You keep using the same arguments trying to prove something. What I care about is logic, it is illogical that holocaust could ever happened as it claimed to be happened. Gassing people is the most ineffective way of getting rid of them, both when it comes to costs and money. I've been to concentration camps myself and no way in hell you could gas anyone properly in them. You can keep showing me photo's of shoes, bodies and teeth. But it will not defeat the illogicality that the holocaust is. The holocaust nowadays is just a filthy business that kikes use to get funding and taxes for, and it is used a mindcontrol piece to make people feel bad that have had nothing to do with it, same like the black and their slavery history.

>>11092202
>as an American
You mean jew.

Reminder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbp61fOVFaE

>>11092252
In what way is that source not credible.

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>>11092252
>But it will not defeat the illogicality that the holocaust is.
wow its almost like the nazis acted illogically, surely that never ever happened

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>>11092273
In what way it is? It might be near impossible to trace that photo over any place in either England or Germany. Any one could say "this is photo was taken on x location because I say so" with photo's like those. I simply do not care about feelings or hearsay.

>>11092307
Sure. But something like effectively killing on the claimed caliber is not something you will fuck up like that, gassing people is something that require the utmost failprove measurements, had to be back then and now. The commies made big mistakes during WW2 too, as did the Poles, French, Americans and Japs.

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It also shit like this why I simply stopped believing in the cultsystem called the holocaust. If it upsets you, so be it.

>>11092371
but not anyone is saying it, Time magazine is and they got it from the Life magazine photo archive, this is really a silly argument all you're saying is

>x photo goes against my personal secret knowledge that the holocaust is a lie therefore it must be a forgery, I have no reason to think that its a forgery but it just must be.
That's really not an argument you know. You say you don't care about feelings or hearsay but that's exactly what you're doing. You have no evidence that its a forgery yet you immediately say it is. This is absolutely ridiculous.

>that picture
where are you getting these numbers, I'm going to need a source

>>11092415
oh damn an unsourced infographic that says a museum was using stills from a movie as part of its exhibit, surely that means the holocaust was a total fabrication despite the overwhelming amount of evidence that supports it. Holocaust denial is such a fucking cult.

What upsets me more though is your casual anti-semitism and use of the word kike. Stop being edgy on purpose.

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>>11092433
>You have no evidence that its a forgery yet you immediately say it is.
And you have no evidence that it is true yet you immediately say it is.

>>11092476
You can contact the filmmaker to confirm it to be true or false. I've did so. It is was indeed misused in a holocaust museum and removed after the filmmaker wanted to sue them.

>Stop being edgy on purpose.
Cry me a bigger river than you already do everyday, kike.

>more racial epithets
are you 11?

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>>11092590
If words manage to upset you so much you should question how old you are yourself. I simply cannot care about it.

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This photo is also used on that website in you see here >>11092609

On the subject of the Holocaust and Nazism, it's moot to be. It happened. Why am I so sure? Because plenty of similar atrocities happened at the same time.

That's why it's a moot point to me. We get slapped over the head with the Holocaust, and cajoled into heriditary guilt politics. The term "Nazi" is so commonplace in European politics as both a label and a curse that I can't think of anything that's used on the same level.

People on the left will tell you that you can't feel empathy for the victims of terrorist attacks in the West, because "awful stuff happens all over the world". Well, I'm way ahead of them. My family were victims of communists, both abroad and native, and not a second of care is spared on them. Neither do we lavish empathy on those killed by the Japs, the Turks, and any other number of genocidal freaks who walked the Earth at the same time as Hitler. No, quite the contrary, our leaders refer to "the Armenian Question" rather than calling it a genocide, so they can keep on the good side of a dictator who's following the fascist playbook word by word.

So, realistically speaking, why should I give a damn? The Holocaust wasn't special. It didn't kill as many people as the Japs did in China alone. It didn't especially target people any more perversely than the Turks did, or the Soviets, for that matter. It wasn't even very efficient, as the most efficient genocide is the Rwandan genocide, which was committed by African niggers with machetes, who managed to kill up to a million people in 100 days. Even the concept of the concentration camp was invented by the British, who committed atrocities against the Boers.

The only thing that's special about the Holocaust is its usage in engendering self-hatred in Western white people. Not Germans, not Europeans, but even Americans. It's a political tool. Of Jews, of the left, and of anyone else who can motivate even the flimsiest comparison between their opponents and the Nazis.

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Also a reminder that denying the holocaust is illegal in 14 European countries. If it was so true and undebunkable why made such a law in the first place? Why chase ever people their whole lives and trying to get them jailed for it? I never understood this, it is as if they try to censor those people rather than searching things and see what happened themselves.

>>11092664
>other things happened therefor the holocaust must have happened too because i say so
I laughed.

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If it happened the amount of victims must have been very small, especially given the small time periods

>>11092691
Actually read the post, untermensch.

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>>11092726
I did, don't worry. I mostly agree with you.

>>11051672
Yes, it's called being normal

Also this documentary is really telling on how even jews themselves fuck over their own people constantly because of the holocaust industry. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNWF9CeoZdE

>>11092691
I'm against those laws, but their existence does not mean the event did not take place. There is also a difference between skeptical study of the event to debunk certain exaggerated claims and outright denial, which is a truly ridiculous position given the vast number of corroborated primary sources.

And then there are the people like the dude from earlier who was spouting kike this, kike that. When you clearly come from a place of blind hatred towards Jews it's impossible to get taken seriously.

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>>11092202
>As I'm an American
So why i should worry and pay reparation to some jews if my country suffer more then 14 billion people and no fucking one asked germany for reparations?

>>11092252
Are you implying that being Jewish makes you not American? Because if so you can go fuck yourself, all men are created equal.

>>11093154
Ask your grandparents

>>11092067
This.

I like how the only reason Israel exists and is a nuclear armed state is because of Hitler, and how he spent his career killing 10s of millions of white people before going out like a pussy, and how white nationalists think he's a great example of "standing up to the Jews".

Yugoslavia lost 1.5 mil, Poland 6 mil, Russia 25 mil, Germany 7 mil, and France 2 mil. Real interesting way to help advance the white race.

>>11056836
Take a listen to the BBC's coverage of news that affects parts of the UK differently/only affects on part that isn't london
They haven't covered anything in scotland from a neutral view for as long as I can remember

Also, how WNs are now complaining about Muslims and socialists, when their mascot was a Muslim loving socialist.

>>11051672
It is reasonable. Very so

>>11056711
>this is the face of the faggots that are coming from reddit and making our site an annoying shitpit instead of a hated by normalfags abrasive one like the days of yore
I would unironically drown this smug faggot in a septic tank. This is the face of nu-4chan.

>>11095308
Agreed, newfags used to think all of 4chan was like /b/ now they think it's all like /pol/. Horrifying.

>>11051672

Most certainly. And there are a lot more SJWs doing more damage than modern day nazis.

>>11089462
The left wants to destroy capitalism, the SJWs just want capitalism to pander to them with rainbow-colored doritos and bullshit like that. For fuck's sake, the SJWs constantly attack people who are barely even left of center like Bernie and Corbyn, don't give me any bullshit about them being communist.
>>11091685
M8, the actual socialists and trade unionists were the first people the nazis went after, we might botht dislike rich Jewish people but for very different reasons- leftists oppose capitalism altogether but have no problem with working class Jews while the nazis hated all Jews including working class ones who hadn't done anything wrong and gave a free pass to white capitalists who did the exact same shit- you'll always hear /pol/ going on about Soros but they will never mention fuckers like the Rockefellers who are just as bad. And quite ironically, the nazis funded their war machine primarily through usury, look up their whole "mefo note" scheme.
Even without the racism aspect, communism and fascism are complete opposites- commies want communities where people can generally govern themselves, while the goal of fascism is to essentially enslave the vast majority of the population in service of the state and the ruling class "ubermensch". I find it odd how /pol/ blames that recent Google fiasco on commies when if anything its the sort of shit you'd get from fascism- the people at the top call the shots while the workers get screwed if they disagree.
>>11091990
>putting yourself between center-right SJWs and far-right /pol/yps makes you a "centrist"
>>11092067
>More like anarchists, really.
The ones in places like Greece and Syria, sure. American antifa are mostly just larping liberals with a handful of false-flaggers
>>11092102
If you're planning on writing a book maybe you should actually research the subject instead of blindly parroting whatever nonsense /pol/ spews.
>>11092117
>implying communism is necessarily collectivist
Read Stirner, faggot.

>>11096644
Communism may claim to be for the people, but in practice it "enslaves the vast majority of the population in service of the state and the ruling class "ubermensch"", just like any other totalitarian ideology.

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>>11051672
>Is it possible to hate SJWs and Nazis at the same time?
did you mean is it possible to make such a grate shit post on /trash/?

>>11096644
>the SJWs constantly attack people who are barely even left of center like Bernie and Corbyn, don't give me any bullshit about them being communist.

In which reality is that? The SJW's I'm seeing are completely in love with the idea of enforced "equality". Meaning "we take shit from who-ever I hate". And loads of them think communism is a great way to do that.

I think this is just a game of "real communism". And of fucking course the useful idiots neither understand the doctrine, nor do they want what it really has to offer. But that doesn't stop them from supporting it.

And when they attack people like Bernie or Corbyn, it's usually for being old white dudes. Which doesn't stroke with their idea of enforced equality. If anything, that's a pretty communist thing to say. Attacking people on social class always is. They just substitute race and gender for wealth whenever it suits them.

Nobody ever said they were logical.

Yeah, OK, I just read that you're pretty deep down the socialist rabbit hole. Yeah, no shit you want to think these people aren't onboard with you. But they are. Like I said, a game of "real communism". But here's the thing: To me it doesn't matter whether they actually follow the gospel they preach. The results are the same for me. Kind of like how the trucks driven by devout wahabists and gangster Islam druggies are equally hard.

>>11056711
>>start war

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>>11083219
Second law of SJWs: they always double-down. When your entire world view is a fabrication, the smallest admission of error destroys all of it.

>>11085758
For the developed countries, I'd say you're correct. They shifted from industrial to service-based economies, and the rise of the precariat and general instability of jobs is a major symptom. As far as the rich are concerned tho, it's perfect, because it effectively offshores the proletariat and drives costs down.

This was one of the things that no great thinker of the early left predicted, this labor division being applied to entire countries. God only knows what happens when China runs out of cheap labor.

>>11088310
>SJW's are, more often than not, legit communists.
Trust me on this one, they aren't. They revolve around idpol instead of class, as they have been completely co-opted. They LARP around with leftist terms, but when push comes to shove, they defend Beyonce's sweatshops and shill for corporations.

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>>11095308
Boy you don't know the half of it.

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>>11097076
Not the guy you're arguing with, but...

The entire left and center and a good chunk of the right accept equality as a basic moral value. If that's your yardstick for "communism", your political compass is way off-base.

Here's what socialism and anarchism boil down to: collective ownership of the means of production. It's literally the dictionary definition. Are these SJWs unironically defending the end of private property? If no, they're LARPers. Very few SJWs I've seen defend that, because they're just playing oppression Olympics with race, sex etc. and ignoring class, as they're by and large affluent kids.

>And when they attack people like Bernie or Corbyn, it's usually for being old white dudes.
It's a very liberal thing to say. It's pure idpol. "Old white man" isn't a class, it's divisive identity bullshit. pic related. Next time you run into one of them, do tell them they're sorry excuses for leftists.

>>11099176
they they they, stop generalizing so much

>>11092691
>If it was so true and undebunkable why made such a law in the first place?
If murder was so bad why make it illegal, herpaderp!

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>thread about pointing out how retarded SJWs and Nazis are
>unironic holocaust deniers shit up the thread

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>>11101401
>unironic holocaust believer thinking there was anything to "shit up"

>>11101444
>even nazis in the 1940s didn't deny the Holocaust
Even the people you idolise would call you retarded. Kill yourself.

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>>11101510
>even nazis in the 1940s didn't deny the Holocaust

>>11101521
the Nuremberg trials are a matter of public record, you're free to look it up if you dispute the claim. The famous defense used was "I was just following orders" not "it never happened, there were no gas chambers, I'M BEING FRAMED BY THE JEWS"

>>11099176
>Trust me on this one, they aren't. They revolve around idpol instead of class, as they have been completely co-opted. They LARP around with leftist terms, but when push comes to shove, they defend Beyonce's sweatshops and shill for corporations.

But class IS an identity. Communist activists are infamous for identifying themselves as part of the oppressed masses while being cushy, privileged fucks completely alien to the struggle they proselytize about themselves, the quintessential "champagne communist" is a term coined in the early days of the ideology.

That's how some decadent rich fuck can be part of the left and eat, digest and vomit rhetoric that directly contradicts their entire livelihood. They start to listen to tear-jerking propaganda that makes them feel guilty but not enough to make them get off their asses and do real charity work.

Honestly, i think the only reason the leftist ideas have taken such a root in western society is that only rich, idle-handed faggots(""intellectuals"", sparing you of a shitload of well deserved quotation marks) who don't have to work or worry about money have the time to pay attention to idealistic, utterly utopian ideologies that they will never have to figure out the practical details of.

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>>11099851
>The /pol/ack is immunized against all dangers: one may call him a shitposter, autist, bootlicker, class traitor, it all runs off him like water off a raincoat. But call him a Redditor and you will be astonished at how he recoils, how injured he is, how he suddenly shrinks back: "I've been found out!"
>>11101608
>But class IS an identity.
No it isn't dingus. Class is based on one's relation to the means of production- if someone owns a factory and it burns down during the night they can no longer use it to obtain wealth from the labor of the people who work there, but their identity hasn't changed.
>Communist activists are infamous for identifying themselves as part of the oppressed masses while being cushy, privileged fucks completely alien to the struggle they proselytize about themselves, the quintessential "champagne communist" is a term coined in the early days of the ideology.
The vast majority of western communists were members of labor unions, such as the Industrial Workers of the World. Maybe you should actually read up on the things you try to talk about instead of pulling opinions out of your ass.

>>11091774
>Implying Stalin didn't do that on a daily basis

True communists like him realize that you shouldn't give a shit about the person you're killing's life. That's why he's still popular in Russia to this day. The same can apply to Franco as well, he's still liked in Spain other than Catalonia.

>>11100027
Look, I've said it before and I'll say it again: That they don't conform to the standards of communism does not mean they don't support it. And in terms of their support, the specifics don't matter. These people would be put against the wall in any communist state, but not before they'll bring it into being.

The fact that they're shit at being communists doesn't mean they aren't trying. And with modern communism every individual seems to have their own interpretation of it, anyway. There's that /pol/ meme with one of these people saying "haha, no, of course I wouldn't be toiling in the factory. I would be a member of the upper party!" That's what they are.

Then again, you call them "liberal", while I consider them to be anything but. Maybe my political compass for communism is off, but if you consider discrimination on race and gender part of liberalism, so is yours.

>>11104011
what discrimination?

>>11051791
but don't SJWs and Nazis both believe in what they think is best for their nation or humanity?

What makes you the judge that they aren't decent human beings?

>>11105283
>Nazis
>decent human beings

get daddy's gun and end yourself posthaste kiddo

>>11103309
no

>>11105437
maybe

>>11058518
Wew, are all white supremacists this delusional?

>>11053174
Germanics. There's a difference.

>>11053174
JEWS are not german

>>11105572
I don't no

>>11105683
lurk moar newfab

>>11058873
>smug anime girl 21
post 22 faggot

>>11105719
I'm sorry anon, there are only 21 smug anime girls in the history of chinese cartoons

>>11105283
I think the decency he's referring to is the decency that comes out of not being one who doesn't make it a prerogative to shove their ideologies in people's faces, while simultaneously being so close minded as to forfeit all aspects of a belief, just because one disagrees with the overall concept.

And as for what makes you the judge? Yourself I guess? If somebody acts violently upon someone else I judge them as bad people. Given context or circumstance I might judge them differently using empathy or sympathy.
Not every nazi was evil...Not every communist was evil...Some nazi beliefs are sensible and downright rational...Some communist beliefs come from a genuinely benevolent place trying to ease the human condition. However, prior historical conditions warrant a healthy skepticism towards both.
So we all have the right and ability to judge. Try and not abuse that right and let it warrant judging individuals for single aspects of their identity. While you're at it, recognize that most widely held or popular beliefs come into existence for valid reasons. Some problems don't have right answers, so we as humans try to do our best with what information we have available to make amends with the often dualistic principles presented to us through social and political interactions.

That's why I think we're each judges in our own right anyway. Imo violent people are sociopaths, and if you're willing to do harm to another human being because some tosser started waving a flag (in front or behind you) then you should be locked up or sent to a war to unleash that clearly pent up aggression.

>>11105574
You'd have to be delusional to think a honky can be part of The Supremes.

>>11053174
As far as i know, the Nazi's considered the Germanic race (Germany, Austria-Hungary) the best, and that the other western Europeans were the greatest race, The first of the 3 Reich's was the Roman empire. However, they did consider Slavs an interior race despite then being white, not to mention white Jews.

>>11105760
well said anon, I couldn't agree more

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>>11105403
You could say the same about communists as well, but at the end of the day this is 4chan you can't really do anything about it.

>>11106593
don't think you are intellectual because you use this pic

nazis are WORSE than commis, just look at cuba, they have ncie cigars

>>11106683
>cuba

Cuba is socialist

>>11105403
>Nazis are automatically bad because Mr. Shekelberg told me so!

>>11108582
History is written by the victors

>>11100027
Well, how many of people being called "Nazis" or "fascists" (or who identify as them) have anything to do with the core principles of those ideologies?
Larpers or not, they carry the flags and use the rhetoric to their ends, and it's not good for anyone.

>>11051672
go back to leftypol you communist nigger, fuck off. pol owns 4chan.

Extremism in any form is cancerous.

>>11109946
Why?

Yes, just hate authoritarians and identitarians and you've got both of them plus Antifa covered.

>>11105657
they were german citizens

>>11105889
>The first of the 3 Reich's was the Roman empire
no it wasn't, it was the
>H
>R
>E

second reich was the German """"""""""Empire"""""""""

>>11109924
back to redd it newfag