/TFG Transformers General

>>6228681
>>6228684
From the other thread

HOLY SHIT!

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>>6228681
Do you army build? I have five of these guys now.

>>6228693
>Didn't thin his paints

Into the trash it goes.

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>>6228691
Not enough space, I "squad build" 3-4 tops, Sweeps, Vehicons, Autotroopers and Sharticons

>>6228693
I like the idea if not the execution.

>>6228688
that garbage has been posted every week for a year now.

>>6228737
and it will be posted until you love it

>>6228681
>no feet

powerpuff convoy wannnabe

>>6228712
That's how it usually is for customs. There's a lot of creativity in the fandom, just not a lot of talent.

>>6228842
>There's a lot of creativity in the fandom, just not a lot of talent.

I've got the opposite problem, if only I had good ideas for customs and half the drive of the people who dip their figures in apple barrel paint.

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Mostly a Decepticon collector here. Not that I dislike Autobots...it's just that they are wussy sports cars and Optimus is 90% of the time that same fucking truck.

How many want more military or monster looking Autobots?

I did like Bay's Wreckers and I bought Wheel-Jack from Prime because hes just so fucking uncouth.

>>6228920

TR has been pretty good on that front, giving us the Headmaster's (tank, heli/VTOL/whatever, spacefighter), and Doublecross.

>>6228920
I'm okay with autobots getting military vehicles but I still like autobots and decepticons being separated into civilian vehicles and military vehicles like in G1.
I just wish every other autobot wasn't a fucking car, though.

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Well, fuck.

I've been out of TFs for a few years now and I came back to find it in shambles (at least IMO). Deluxes now cost twice as much, the transformations are simple as shit, limbs are hollow, and articulation has gone down the tubes. I threw up my hands and said fuck that, I'm out again. But today I happened to see Chromedome. And Chromedome is and always has been my boy, so I got him despite my misgivings about the line. And fucking shit. I kinda like him. I still don't think these things are worth $20 a pop, and my annoyances still stand, but I gotta admit there's some value here and I'm willing to give the line another shot now.

tl;dr: anyone wanna sell me a Weirdwolf?

>>6229030
Articulation's better than ever, what the fuck are you on about?

>>6229030
Like this guy said >>6229032 there is no real problem with articulations, as somebody who is currently buying old Beast Wars toys.

>hollow
Even G1 were hollow as fuck so what kind of retarded non-sense are you talking about?

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>>6229030
>Deluxes now cost twice as much, the transformations are simple as shit, limbs are hollow, and articulation has gone down the tubes.

Generations hit the point common kids weren't able to transform the toys, or transform them without breaking them. Therefore they got dumbed down. You'd think the more simple engineering would ensure more molds, but no, redeco-exhaustion is quite heavy right now.

It's a shame really, they had some great figures during that period.

>>6229034
>Even G1 were hollow as fuck so what kind of retarded non-sense are you talking about?

Compare Generations Scourge to Titans Return Scourge, or Generations Voyager Springer to Titans Return Galvatron.

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>>6229034
This.

>>6229038
Weight both of them

>>6229032
>Articulation's better than ever
Oh is it now? Funny, when I was last buying Transformers I seem to recall instances of bicep swivels, double elbows or knees, ankle rockers, wrist swivels, etc. This was around the time of CHUG/ROTF. To me it seems like most of the Titans Return deluxes follow a very similar articulation model, and it's pretty basic.

>>6229034
So because G1 was hollow, we should keep perpetuating that design flaw forever? Nonsense. Again, before I quit TFs I remember problems like hollow forearms being solved by simple things like hinged forearm panels. It seems insulting that figures cost more now and we're getting less.

>>6229030
>. I still don't think these things are worth $20
Where are you buying them for $20? My local Target sells deluxes for $15 and voyagers for $22.

>>6229042
>It seems insulting that figures cost more now and we're getting less.

Compare the buying power of $15 20 years ago to today. If Hasbro did that you would be paying about $40 per deluxe easy.

>>6229042
it should be noted Titans Return has had some piss poor quality control, tons of design flaws (try getting Skullsmasher to stand in any way other than straight and stiff) and the titan master gimmick sucks since most of the time they don't peg in right or wobble like they're having a seizure.

>>6229039
They should made that toy 80% ball joints so people could masturbate to the articulation.

Then again it was a shit toy and the Takara was only a tad better but when you're working with a shit design only so much can be done.

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>>6229050
>ball joints

>>6229044
I got him from some random TRU I've never visited before. This may have been my fault then, I've heard TRUs in rich neighborhoods sometimes pricehike and I'm obviously out of the loop as to what they should cost cause I haven't bought TFs in a while. It was sort of an impulse buy cause I haven't ever seen Chromedome on the rack before.

>>6229049
Yeah, I'm kinda having a problem with that. His head feels a little loose and if I shake him back and forth he bobbleheads a bit.

>>6229042
Yes, let's all go back to the days where elbows and knees were placed way too high.

>>6229055
That's not uncommon, most Titans Return figures don't really do the head gimmick very well.

It's more difficult than it should be just to plug Hot Rod's head in, half the time it tries to go in sideways.

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>>6229053
>only 4 ball joints

Step it up senpai.

>>6229056
That's an oddly specific complaint that I don't recall on any of my older toys? Or maybe like, a few at most?

>>6229063
A lot of the older figures have disproportionate bodies actually.

>>6229062
Gotdamn Beast Wars was king of the balljoints. This is also a rare care of ball ankles, I don't think many BW figures got those. Are they due to his transformation?

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Did Armada really regress in engineering?

I only ever had Blurr, and his articulation was awful.

>>6229064
Well, how old are you talking? Like Bayformers and Classics old? Or like G1 old? The later obviously has fucked proportions on a LOT of things, but I think I didn't have significant problems with the proportions of most modern-ish TFs.

>>6229065
Well considering Coharada is a deluxe, having a lot of ball joints is not a bad thing since he is light as shit.

>>6229068
Armada was a huge step back. Apparently the new design team had no experience with transformers, or so I've heard.

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>>6228691
I have yet to find one. Won't army build him but I would love to see a Grimlock and Sharkicon diorama! Shoot it under the sink for atmosphere!

Gonna make a squad of the Mini Cyclonus of at least 4. you know "...and his armada!" Not so sure about the big one. Looks lanky without a feel of "Freight Train" tough like Lugnut. Funny thing is I really like the Legion RID of Starscream but hated the deluxe.

I am a Cyclonus collector but this one makes me sad.

>>6229068
It was due to the excessive amount of complicating transformations coming from the team that did RID200 for the new molds. I feel sorry for the kids that had sideburn and x brawn even to this day those 2 piss me off.

Armada was in the planning stages for quite awhile and was designed first and foremost to be kid approachable compared to BW/RID shell forming and folding flaps everywhere.

>>6228691
Three is enough for me, I don't need a whored of them and I have G1 shark as well as all the 3rd party offerings so I have 11 sharks in total, I'm sure more sharks would be made by someone in the future so I'll wait on them to add more diversity to my shiver.

>>6228948

Speaking of alt modes, I always found it odd that the Decepticons were the ones that got the team of construction vehicles while the Autobots got the one made up of huge honkin metal dinosaurs. You'd have thought it would be the other way around.

>>6229081
> I feel sorry for the kids that had sideburn and x brawn even to this day those 2 piss me off.

I got them when I was 9 and I was able to transform them just fine. Transformers should be toys for patient and smart kids. Hasbro ducked up by trying to appeal to everyone.

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>>6229084
Oh its time for a movie shot!!

>>6229073
it was a mix of two teams being brought together and ask to push out a new line in less than a year, they had the skills and Energon and Cybertron show that it's just they had such a small window to work on Armada and with such an intrusive gimmick it lead to some awful work.

>>6229030
>the transformations are simple as shit

Only the two modes and articulation are important. The complexity of how you get to them isn't

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>>6229042

>>6229085
Construction syndicates are full of awful people.

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>>6229049

>>6229117
Anon is right that TR has had shoddy quality control, since the molds aren't consistent with their fits (particularly with the Titan Master sockets).

Still good toys though.

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>>6229095

Prime, I detect autimostronic waves in this post.

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>>6229186

Received Sentinel, we must stop this epidemic, no matter the cost.

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>>6228691

I bought two but returned one because i wanted someone else to have a shot at him.

Okay anyone who has masterpiece cheetor I could use a hand. So transforming him for the first time I did the legs and was ready to deploy the feet of the robot mode, the diagram said they would sit flat, so I tried and got a lot of resistance, so I pushed a little harder and then I heard a click and they looked right but then I noticed there were two little tabs between the foot and the ankle on the joint itself, and after putting the feet in the correct position they got smushed down and flattened out.

This worries me, were the tabs sacrificial or did I just not know how to tab properly?

Because I see no other way I could have got the feet to sit flat if I didn't force them flat.

>>6229032
>Articulation's better than ever
I don't see ankle and wrist articulation on deluxes (FOC Prime/Magnus, RTS Jazz, TFP Wheeljack, CHUG Sideswipe, etc.)

>Even G1 were hollow as fuck
Except for almost the entirety of the brand's history that hollowness was hidden. TR Optimus and Octane are big offenders.

>>6229258
>I don't see ankle and wrist articulation on deluxes
Because every single Transformer back then had those joints, right? They show up in the same quantity now as they did then.

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>>6229261
>They show up in the same quantity now as they did then.

Really now?

RTS new mold wrist articulation, off the top of my head:
>Laser Prime
>Jazz
>Wreck-gar
>Tracks

RTS new mold ankle articulation, off the top of my head:
>Laser Prime
>Jazz
>Lugnut
>Tracks

TR new mold wrist articulation, off the top of my head:
>Blurr and his remolds

TR new mold ankle articulation, off the top of my head:
>Six Shot

>>6229261
Do they though? I'm scanning my deluxes from back in the day and I can see a lot with ankle rockers and/or wrist swivels. Hound, Red Alert/Sideswipe/Sunstreaker, Prowl/Bluestreak, Dinobot, Mirage/Fracture, Inferno/Grapple, Galvatron, Ratchet/Ironhide, Wheeljack/Tracks, Perceptor, Scourge, G2 Prime, Kup, Wreck-Gar, Roadbuster, that guy with the pickaxe I forget the name of...

You get my point. I could keep going even, I just got bored. To my knowledge, (and please, correct me if I'm wrong) the only Titans Return deluxe with ankle rockers is Weirdwolf. And again, please correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think any of them have wrist swivels. I wouldn't exactly call these numbers occuring "in the same quantity now as they did then."

>>6229266
You're comparing a list of toys spanning over five years to just Titans Return. Bit biased.

>>6229245

Please someone give me insight

>>6229264
TR Waist articulation:
>Weirdwolf
>Mindwipe
>Skullcruncher
>Blurr and Chromedome molds

Ankles:
>Sixshot
>Soundwave
>Doublecross/Twinferno
>Weirdwolf

>>6229310
He uh, he said wrist, just thought I'd point that out, I make the same mistake sometimes too.

>>6229315
Fuck you're right hold on.
On that front, all I can add is Doubleferno, even if he doesn't have the articulation most people would say he needs.

>>6229264
>ankle articulation
>>Jazz

He doesn't have it.

Scourge, Highbrow and Hardhead have wrists, Weirdwolf, mindwipe and all the leader except Prime have ankles.

So what lines, teams and characters will Power of the Primes cover?
I mean Primal is obvious, I can see the finalist getting new toys too, and there's always the obligatory Optimus, Megatron and Bumblebee/Rodimus.

>>6229328
Scourge and Highbrow don't have wrists. Also they're remolds of each other.

>>6229329
>obligatory Optimus, Megatron and Bumblebee/Rodimus.
I forgot Hot Rod was in CW

>>6229088
>Transformers should be toys for patient and smart kids

Well they fucked up by selling them to tard smashing, american heathens.

>>6229332
Well, technically they have wrist movement, but it's not a dedicated joint.

>>6229282
Well, he's the one who said "back then." And anyway, I wasn't trying to compare numbers, of course CHUGURTS is gonna win in that case by sheer merit of running for longer. I meant more of a ratio thing, (especially since he said "in the same quantity"), so it would be a fair fight.

>>6229328
It's pretty easy to mistake Jazz for having ankle rockers since his feet are molded at a slight angle to allow him wide poses. Same deal as Generations Springer. I wish more TFs would do this honestly, especially if they're not gonna give us real ankle rockers anymore. I don't remember the angled feet causing any problems, and they made wide poses look better.

>>6229345
>I don't remember the angled feet causing any problems
Rare, but there have been cases where a figure has two of the same feet. Personally I think a-stance feet look terrible. If you are going to go to thr effort of molding two separate pieces, just make them rockers in the first place.

>>6229345
Hardhead and Triggerhappy do it, not sure if Chromedome too.

>>6229338
We're looking for wrist swivels, not wrist breakers.

>>6229068

I feel like since Transformers are marketed towards literal babies in Japan, and the entirety of Unicron Trilogy being just Takara's work with fuck all involvement from Hasbro they just tailed it to their 3-5 year old population as opposed to 9-13 yo American population.

>>6229353
Feet are always molded as two separate pieces, even if they're identical.

>>6229372
You can't move your wrist in and out? that's saddening.

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>>6229329
>>6229333

Rodimus was the Blackjack retool and now we have Hot Rod.

and he was in the machinima shit where he jobbed.

>>6229345
Twinferno does it too, but his feet transform in such a way that they're more like slightly limited ankle rockers

>>6229345
Angled feet tend to hinder straight-legged or flat footed poses and making a figure stand on one foot can be nearly impossible. TR hardhead can't stand with his legs straight because of the shape of his feet.

I honestly dislike them for this reason, I'd rather they be flat even if they aren't properly touching the ground in spread poses.

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>>6229382
Too easy

>>6229411
Tigertrack?

So what exactly are the major paint chipping areas of MP Cheetor?

I just got him today and I'd like to take whatever measures I can to reduce the risk of it. I already loosened a few overly tight screw joints.

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>>6229417
Apparently Red will suffice!

(jesus is this camera awful)

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>>6229450

The first Transformers The Last Knight Theatrical Trailer will be posted online this sunday.

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Bumblebee is alive again in the comics.
So in celebration, post best Bumblebee.

>>6229036
>redeco-exhaustion is quite heavy right now.

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>>6229455
Lol

I'll stop now.

>>6229443

Pegs on the sides of the arms where the cheetah part tabs onto, the blue tab that goes into the neck are what give me trouble so far.

>>6229471
Hey buddy do you mind not posting spoilers? Thanks.

Fuck you.

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>>6229471
>>6229478
oh, this one?

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also, was onyx prime a centaur in that series bible or something that rik alvarez did?
i mean, it's kinda cool, but a little too prime-ish

>>6229443

Since you're looking at him today can you answer my question in this thread about the tabs on the ankles where the feet fold down?

>>6229478
Cry moar.

>>6229480
>>6229485
Jesus, this art looks so shitty.

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>>6229471
Battle Blades may be the best on paper, but Hell Terminator Bee will always be #1 in my book.

>>6229480
Wow this is probably supposed to be a dramatic moment but it's really undercut by that poor drawing of Bumblebee.

>>6229485
>Prime Predaking with Deathsaurus' head and four legs
Alright, that IS cool.
Now I wanted more centaur TF.

>>6229488
Welcome to IDW, how would you like your trigendered pyrofox character?

>>6229520
At least they made Needlenose an actual faggot.

>>6229471
is killerbee better than battle blades bee?

>>6229535
Nope.

>>6229478
Fuckoff back to /co

>>6229540
Do you think Battle Blades is better than the new deluxe?

>>6229545
Funny, that's the exact same sentiment that should stop comic spoilers from being posted here in the first place.

>>6229563
>>6229113

>>6229485
the enigma and onyx centaur are from the BoR (which cost around half a million dollars to write)..

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Got my kitty yesterday

>>6229328
>all the leader except Prime have ankles.
takara ginrai has them. just sayin.

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>>6229492

>>6229486
This question? >>6229245

I'm not terribly certain which tabs you're talking about, But of the three I noticed none of them seem terribly important. If he still holds together fine without them I wouln't concern myself over it.

>>6229598

Okay. You know the robot mode feet right? On the hinge that connects the feet to the ankle there are little yellow tabs, if you put the feet flat you would have heard or felt them click. See what I mean?

>>6229604
Okay yeah those tabs definitely seem superfluous, don't worry about them.

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mfw I just realized a lot of the titan masters are kind of like modern day pretenders

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>>6229625
>Small robots hiding in vehicles and animals
Shit, how did I not see this?

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>>6229625
They are like actionmaster vehicles too

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>>6229406

That's perfect man.

I can't believe i never thought of that.

>>6229581
I hate those thumbs. They needed another joint somewhere in the middle, or at least be molded slightly bent. They look silly being that straight.

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>>6229492

I can never unsee this every time I see Bayformers Bee.

>>6229488
Could be worse, could be Ramondelli's cracked stone grimdark.

Oh god if my suspicions are right MP Cheetor might be the best thing ever

>>6229654
>Ramondelli
Nah, I'd definitely take his work to this. These look straight sketchy and amateur, more at home on deviantart than comics you're actually expected to pay for.

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>>6229638
I've never read any of IDW yet besides a few pages I find on /co/ but I always like Rodimus' design each time I see it. Something about it looks cool.

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>>6229663
Fuck, nevermind.

So I made an important discovery about MP Cheetor: His hands are removable.

Now no doubt they've done this to make things easier to articulate them considering the substantial arm-kibble, but the pegs his hands are on LOOKED like 5mm pegs.

Well unfortunately they're actually aproximately 4.5mm pegs, so there will be no drill-hand Cheetor today.

>>6229669

I still think it would have been cool if the TR titan master head was IDW based, hell you could do it easily if you keep the robot mode arms sticking out and paint the arms the right colour.

>>6229492
I've got Battle Blade Bumblebee coming in the mail (thanks to a friend) but Cyberfire Bee is definitely on my want list. Even aside from the meme factor/MURDERBEE thing, that mold just looks cool, especially with that big ol' blaster.

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>>6229485
Yes.

>>6229632
>please don't remove this watermark
Is it just me or do thise words make you want to remove the watermark much much more than usual? I don't even have anything against Seibertron.

>>6229632

I really want an update of Circuit

>>6229712
Yes, especially since that guy is a petty asshole.

got my repugnus today
thatll be my last titanmaster.
lovin these little guys

>>6229723
there is already one.

>>6229733

Is there? Link, pics?

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Attention all hamhands, be careful with MP Cheetor's crotchplate.

I was trying to see if I could get him back to beast mode by memory and unwittingly turned the crotchplate back too far on its hinge (here it is in beast mode), which put pressure on the joint and cracked the plastic.

The joint is still sturdy and it didn't actually break fully (thank fuck), but this is definitely something to be careful with. Until you get everything in place that hinge certainly looks like it can go further than it's supposed to.

>>6229736
http://www.tfu.info/2013/Autobot/TFSSCircuit/circuit.htm

>>6229676
https://www.shapeways.com/product/C48JC7YEM/rodimus-idw-smirking-titans-return?optionId=60438182
There's a few on Shapeways.

>>6229590
God I love the recessed pupils that make it feel like he's just following you around the room.

If you live near around Morgantown WV they just stock Wave 3 legends and delexes at the Walmarts here. The one up at university drive has Wave 4 TMs

>>6229738
I'm sorry, I hate being "that guy" but there is no excuse for these kind of issues on a masterpiece.

>>6229796
With each MP release a little bit more of that lack of effort that's infected Hasbro seeps into the Takara offices.

>>6229802
Takara has always been bad. They bascily sell to a market that doesn't play with toys, some don't even open them. QC issues have always been a plague. Hell its fuck up when a release that's 7+ months after the Hasbro one suffers the same QC issues

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Also, because someone in a previous thread was curious about the whiskers and how they could be potentially bent or damaged, I decided to try taking apart a head and see how replaceable they are.

And yeah, the head comes apart like lego and the whiskers are just three lines tied together. Replacing them would be so easy that they're practically a non-issue.

>>6229796
I wouldn't exactly call it an issue, but it's certainly a design flaw. There really isn't a reason to stop it from turning too far, especially considering it can break if you force it to.

>>6228681
That's not too bad at all. I was dreading looking at it, thinking I was looking at another "gestalt" with vehicles glued onto a Metroplex that's been cut up for it's limbs.
I mean, silver + gold is objectionable, but that's just my opinion and apparently not a widely held one. Other than that the color scheme is pretty decent. Nothing gaudy or dull. Maybe it's a little bad that it looks like every color is used on almost every part so there's very little variety.

>>6229812
That's more or less what I was thinking. It's biggest issue is the fact that a Metroplex was sacrificed to make it.

Finally got a TR Megatron head so I could put the head plate on the Nucleon body.

Tips for those doing that:

-Use the screw from Doomshot, the Nucleon screw is way longer.
-Due to the way the Megatron face plate is made, Nucleon's head will end up loose. Add some card stock ,or anything you can jam into the space on the face plate that aligns with the TM ball joint (it's two vertical downward lines).

After that, you should have a TM with Megatrons body, and faceplate.

>>6229820
That's what I was thinking the cost to make that demands either the idea is gold or the outcome is near perfect becuase that's a lot to pay just to ruin it

>>6229822
Oh, and after getting Megatron, I can say that It's a shame we don't have a new Reverse Convoy.

You could easily sell a repaint, or retooled Hardhead with a Reverse Convoy face, and turn him into Megatron with your TR Megatron TM.

>>6229266
I love CHUG, but they didn't all spot full articulation. At least, not until the ROTF-Era, because that's when Transformers seemed to get the most budget. It was also pre-worldwide petroleum shortage.

Lesse, Voyager Prime's my standard for points of articulation. Lacks ankles but otherwise fully articulated. Still, let's stick to Deluxes. Also, these are off the top of my head, so I might be getting details wrong.

- Bumblebee, no thigh swivels and I think no ankles, but otherwise adorable.
- Mirage, got hinged but not swivel wrists, his feet were sort of weak for support but good for posing. Weird neck. No thigh swivels either. But hyper expressive.
- Hot Rod, crap even by today's standards.
- Starscream, looks awesome and is still the definitive Deluxe Seeker to me. No thighs, no ankles and wrists are only hinged. Limited neck.
- Astrotrain, don't remember. Only that it wasn't hyper articulated and like many toys back then, had no ankles.
- Hound, no memory.
- Grimlock, again, hinged wrists due to articulation but no swivel. Feet are surprisingly balanced but no ankles.

Okay, so the above represent the molds for the first Classics. Then Bayformer 1 happened and now TFs go into a boom and we actually get a TF shortage. We get a lot of repainted Cybertron toys touted as movie toys. Then we got Animated.

Up to this point, TFs were still Cybertron-Era level in terms of articulation, which is to say, they typically have most of their points of articulation but tend to be missing one or two vital ones, especially thighs, biceps and wrist swivels. Very few have anything more than hinged ankles. Mirage's ball jointed feet qualify on a technicality but they're not very functional because they can't actually support much weight.

>>6229851
So yeah, pre-RotF, toys were a mixed bag in terms of articulation with the occasional gem here and there. The RotF happened and that's when we had the most detail and articulation across the board, but also the most complex transformations. As an adult, I love the complex transformations but they were TOO complex for fun, so things started getting dialed back. Coupled with the rising costs of manufacturing, this included other factors aside from transformation, such as articulation and plastic.

Personally, I appreciate that nowadays, most deluxes will at least have the vital 9 or 10 points of articulation. Neck, shoulders, elbows, waist, hips and knees. A lot of the pre-RotF toys lacked the all important biceps or thighs.

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>>6229806
>>6229796
Actually, there is a pretty big design issue with MP Cheetor. The clearance to stuff the Cheetah head into his robot chest is too tight and it doesn't fit together as nicely as it should.

If you haven't tried it yet, remove the Cheetah head from his robot mode and see how much better everything fits together without it "in the way".

Shaving down the circled areas in this pic (they're already shaved in the picture) does the trick though. The original raised edges didn't leave enough room for the cheetah head to fit in tightly. It's a painted surface but the paint isn't visible in either mode so it doesn't matter how bad you fuck it up.

>>6229806
God the jaw parts are horrifying.

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>>6229806
>tfw you kind of want MP Cheetor but just are not feeling that model accurate beast mode

Impressive engineering though.

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>Titans Return Hot Rod on ebay for actually reasonable price so far
>outbid at literally the last second

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>>6229892
It's a little weak honestly, but the leg and head articulation do a good job making up for it, plus the robot mode is legit 10/10.

Also I didn't realize until putting Cheetor back in robot mode but his guns make up a lot of the beast mode's bulk. I feel sorry for anyone in the future who inevitably makes the mistake of buying a "Used MP Cheetor guns missing" on ebay.

>>6229492
>MY MAKER, I DO

>>6229903
>the robot mode is legit 10/10
It really does look nice. Honestly, unless they're going to give me realistic animal modes with sculpted fur, I'd be down with just super accurate bot mode action masters. Even as a kid I never liked the Autobot beast modes.

>>6229558
Yes, but slightly worse now than Masterpiece probs

>>6229903
After Primal ditched having sword storage in beast mode, this reminded me of how much I liked the BW figures having weapon storage/integrated weaponry. Yea its a bit clusterfucky, but I after a bunch of G1 MPs with guns just being stuck on cars its nice to have weapons that are integral to the alt mode.

>>6229920
Yeah don't get me wrong, that was an observation not a complaint.

The less un-storeable accesories I have stuffed inside of MP-10's trailer, the better.

>>6229899
is he rare? i was just at a walmart that had about 5 of him

>>6229933
In my area {US, central Ohio) yeah.
The only wave three deluxe i've found so far is Twinferno. Can't even find Getaway despite everyone talking about how he was an unappealing new-face redeco that barely did the character any justice.

>>6229899
I got mine at Walgreens.

>>6229899
Unless you're in a foreign country, he's going to be shelf warming hard like Blurr. Picked up Twincross and Blue Jet Decepticon and there were 3 hotrods just hanging there.

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>>6229899

>not just waiting for the inevitable superior Takara version


>inb4 butthurt poorfags

>>6229034
>Even G1 were hollow as fuck so what kind of retarded non-sense are you talking about?
>HURRR THESE TOYS FROM 30 YEARS AGO WERE HOLLOW SO YOUR CRITICISM IS INVALID
The fucking shit you hear in this fandom...

>>6229851
I find it pointless to complain about articulation and hollowness on retail shit. It's made for kids and dumb fans who will buy it no matter what. I just buy them as long as they look cool in both modes and are fun to fiddle with.

For toys that actually look good, are well-engineered, and have articulation, I buy MPs.

>>6229916
>Honestly, unless they're going to give me realistic animal modes with sculpted fur
That completely defeats the purpose of them being show accurate

>Autobot
>Beast Wars

Maximals, you Philistine

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Picked up Triggerhappy from a Chinese Ebay seller because it's on shelves in NZ yet (at least where I live) and goddamn is this a fine piece of shmup-style jet.

Only complaint is not being able to peg the combined blasters to the top of the altmode, it seems so logical but they just missed the mark. Has anyone managed to finagle a connection point of some sort? Would it almost be worth 3D-printing something?

>>6229264
Sixshot doesn't have ankles. They're jsut a ridiculously unusable teilt only for wolf mode. For bot mode the tilt is too much, at a near 90 degree bend.

>>6229411
Hoist will come soon enough

>>6230075

It mystifies me that people expect there to be some kind of folding panel to cover up almost every gap on a retail kid's toy. If a few gaps where a part folded out from another part in the more compacted mode really ruins a toy for you, you must be fun at parties.

It's like having visible robot parts on the underside of a jet. It's just been part of the reality of the franchise.

Got a handful of wave 3? 4? Titan masters today.
Whichever they are, Ptero, Fangry and Overboard are mine now.

>>6230130
Not every gap, but large, extremely visable ones should be covered

>>6229796
You're not being that guy. There isn't any excuse for fucking up a figure this bad, especially at this price point.

>>6229723
Funpub did one based on animated Lockdown

>>6229725
How so? Genuinely curious.

>>6230115
Was it one of those no-box Chinese seller things? How was the quality? (Official Hasbro quality is honestly not even that great).

>>6229933
Wave 3 is weird. Up here in PA I find nothing but Twin and Hotrod clogging shelves, two hours south into WV and Getaway is the shelfwarmer.

>>6230183
Nah it was proper, sealed on card and everything. Quality's neat, no problems other people haven't had with the mold (arm-cannons not sitting flush with the arm in vehicle configuration (any fix for that btw?))

found Shuffler at retail. Love the headsclupt and TM beast/weapon but I'm annoyed his colors don't match anybody on either side.

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>>6230197
So far Astro looks the best but it's still obvious and stands out.

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>>6230199
At least it's another member for Astro force when I get around to buying legends astrotrain.

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>>6230207
I swear nothing looks good with Galvs crown.

I wonder what kind of batshit explanation Sakamoto will have for the Takara version of Doomshot.

>>6230210
And Blaster doesn't look much better. But like all leaders they just weren't made for tiny heads.

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>>6230220

>>6230210
I've been discovering this as well.
I have five heads
Nucleon is still the best one, and that makes me sad.
Though, how has doomshot fared, anyone try him?

>>6229830
we still have two gift sets minimum yet to be revealed.
The biggest issue I see, what will they name him?
Reverse Prime?
MegaPrime?
Optitron?

I'm liking Optitron.

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>>6230222
So close and so far at the same time
>>6230223
I'll make a note of it and try to get a photo of that. My wife has him at work atm, I'll get her to bring him home and if no one else does it I'll take/upload the photo tommrow around this time or sooner.

>>6230233
Alright last one unless you guys are curious about any others. Love the little dude.

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>>6230241
Sheesh I gotta pay more attention to my posts.

>>6230233
>My wife has him at work atm
aw, that's adorable.
My wife also keeps toys at her desk, but most of them are san rio characters.

>>6230220
It's where it sits so far from his head. Most TMs look like they are just peering out a window.
I wish they just did want was orginlly plan and gave him a full helmet that you just manually rotate on.

>>6230188
>(arm-cannons not sitting flush with the arm in vehicle configuration (any fix for that btw?))

I'd like to know this as well.

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i kinda regret missing out on DOTM

the transformations looks fun

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>>6229851
Since you don't remember Hound, lemme just say it was probably my favorite Universe Deluxe. Super cute little jeep mode, they went out of their way to give him really innovative rocker ankles when it would have been easy not to, and he came with motherfucking Ravage. What a package. The only bad thing I can say about him is that his thighs are rather short.

>>6230286
Ugh man that was so satisfying. i want this figure now.

>>6230286
>this is deluxe class 6 years ago

holy fuck

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>>6230302
That's the Human Allaince toy. The deluxe class one looks like this

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To the anon who suggested selling Platinum RID Voyager Grimlock at retail, I should apologize. It turns out they finally did actually sell the copy they had here in this Philippine Toys R Us.

>>6230310
I also got a shocking reminder of just how expensive Platinum is.

On the left, the box set with Titanium Rodimus and Universe Galvatron. On the right, Combiner Wars Liokaiser.

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>>6230314
Forgot image.

>>6230307
>Human Allaince toy

just checked it. man it's pretty expensive

sideswipe goes up to $138

>>6230326
Yeah, but they were pretty affordable when they first came out. Human Alliances were $30 IIRC.

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>>6230115
Hmhmhehehe, blowpipe.

>>6229625
I hope we'll get actual Pretenders next year as part of the Titans Return line. I wouldn't mind Thunderwing and Bludgeon as Headmasters.

>>6229492
Man, I need to get my Murderbee back out. He's fucking great.

>>6228691
I would if I could actually find some

>>6230338
What else we haven't get?
>Pretenders
>Powermasters
>Powered Masters
>Brainmasters
>Turbomasters
>Predators
>Rotorforce
>Laser Rods
>Laser Cycles
>Micromasters

>>6230348
what was the thing that has sparker gimmicks? it was in the monsterbot thingy

>>6230354
We already have Repugnus and Doublecross/Twinferno of the Monsterbots.

>>6230338
Unfortunately that won't be possible, because TR ends this year.

But since Thunderwing was part of the poll this year, we may yet get him in Power of the Primes.

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>>6229492
What a friendly face

>>6230355
Wonder what Grotesque will end up as.
There's a mold/vehicle for TM and Mindwipe for Deluxe.

>>6230356
I've been thinking.
You know, since Primal won the poll that pretty much guarantee a new toy, that'd also mean he must make an appearance in the comic too, right?
I wonder if he does appear and they change his character (make him more violent, quippier, gay etc.), will there be a shitstorm?
It's not like BW fans, or hell, Primal fans are rabid, no?

>>6230363
>Eukaris is a wild and untamed planet, home to a colony of long-lost Transformers with beast modes. By modern times, Eukaris's population had splintered into four competing tribes, who divided themselves based on the nature of their alternate modes. They consisted of the Scale Walkers, led by Dinobot, the Fur Walkers, led by Cheetor, the Wave Walkers, led by Manta Ray, and the Cloud Walkers, led by Sonar. Although isolated from other Transformer worlds, the tribes of Eukaris never forgot the humiliating discrimination that their ancestors on Cybertron faced, and most maintain a healthy distrust of any vehicle mode Transformers.

>>6230364
>the Wave Walkers, led by Manta Ray
Wait, why not Depthcharge?
>and the Cloud Walkers, led by Sonar.
Who? Also why not Airrazor?
And what about Optimus Primal and other Primal/Convoy like Lio and Big?

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>>6229625
yeah they got the formula right

transform the main robot into core block for the skin and done. modern pretenders.

Ha, when Hasbro starts doing the Dinobots they'll all be unpainted grey plastic.

>>6230369
Airazor is a weirdo with no state

>>6230369
Tigatron and Airazor left their tribes to be together, and I think Sonar and Manta Ray were chosen to get more girls in on the action.

>>6230364
Sounds like some weird justification for BW characters to exist in the comics, nevermind that Predacons, Dinobots and Monsterbots already exist, even if their beast altmodes appear a little later.

>>6230369
If I recall, I think they were planning on Tigatron and Airrazor being outcasts due to their love, and thus not allowed to lead.
I'm entirely expecting Primal, given the weird stuff with the original prime in the annual, to arise as a "new prime" and will be chosen to inherit the will of that one (Onyx I think).
And I expect his plotline will be handled in the main issues, which means very unlikely to be gay. The gay stuff is almost exclusively for the LL and the side stories.

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Finally found a nice replacement head for Galvatron.

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>>6230364
This tribe bullshit sounds dumb, get the councils instead.

>>6230380
They have a council
basically, the beast planet has tribes, Cybertron has factions (used to) and most of the other colonies have dwindled their population down so much they're effectively one city each.
Each of them then sends a member or two to cybertron as part of the council.
Until Optimus fucks it all up in the next couple issues of course.

>that feel when after power of the primes it's gonna be Beast Wars 2.0

I guess they want the G1 scums to have an aneurysm then again doesn't the current design team hate on beast wars like it's a gay guy in a Westboro church?

>>6230377
>Sounds like some weird justification for BW characters to exist in the comics

This was always planned for idw to connect to a modern day version of the bw cybertron

Simon Furman's idea was for it to be a cyberfomed Gorlam Prime. Scott/BoR is apparently going for "colonies" (an idea that dates back to the development of BM).

>>6230384
scottish gigantion engineers when, IDW?

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>>6230383
>like it's a gay guy in a Westboro church?
You know the Westboro church isn't actually a religion with a branch of churches, right? It's one family with one "church" being shitwads for the attention.

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>>6230364
>literally WE WUZ cybertronians

fucking fuck

why can't american into courage, bravery and justice

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>>6230391
What the fuck are you talking about? Did you have a stroke?
>>6230389
>That time someone bought a house just to troll them
>Jackson, a self-described news junkie, used Google Earth to locate the church — an organization famous for its virulent anti-homosexual views and its tendency to picket military funerals. But as he zoomed in on the Westboro compound, he realized that the house right across the street had a “For Sale” sign on it. He immediately called a realtor and began drawing up plans to turn the building into a LGBTQ museum — and though zoning laws prohibited that plan he went ahead with the idea of painting the house the colors of the rainbow Pride Flag.

>>6230391
Because morally upright characters can't exist for long, can't stay sane and/or must suffer in IDW world. Just look at poor Bumblebee.

>>6230394
>the colors of the rainbow Pride Flag.
Why rainbow?
Don't rainbows represent kiddy fun or peaceful harmony?

>>6230404
Is Google broken for you? Other search engines as well? Wikipedia too? All at once?

I'm so sorry, that's so unlucky.

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>>6230391
because the year is 2017

>>6230404
Gays appropriated the rainbow like they did with the word gay (it used to mean happy), mustaches, and men showering together,

>>6230410
>Gays appropriated the rainbow like they did with the word gay (it used to mean happy), mustaches
>mustaches
what

>>6230411
That guy from the Village People

>>6230411
>>6230412
Tom of Finland, too.

>>6230315
how much in American Dollars does that equal?

>>6230411
>what
It's not so much anymore, but during the 70s and 80s, a lot of mustache styles were associated with either porn, or homosexuality.
Outside of Alex Trebek, Tom Selleck and Burt Reynolds, you just didn't see them.
The late 90s led to a slow revival, as mustacheoed people like Jeff Foxworthy, Steve Harvey, Jason Lee, and Doctor Phil got a lot of television time.

I think that the mustache has just always been associated with manliness, and during a certain time period, there was need to dictate what TYPE of manliness you were, and so facial hair of any sort faded away. Part of this was also simply a result of a work force moving towards white collar jobs.

>>6230434
$109.187 from a quick Google convert.

>>6230439
for Liokaiser that's actually not too bad(around the average price he goes for on Ebay), for the Rodimus/Galvatron set yeah that is pretty awful(considering how iffy both those molds are, it'd be hard to justify paying more than maybe 30-40 bucks for the set)

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Rate my recent haul, used evasion mode prime (rusty version missile missing) and movie galvatron (missile missing, additional silver in spots by owner).

Got them for $70aud including shipping

>>6230471
Nintendo Switch/10

You overpaid.

>>6230471
You paid too much, even if Galvy was Takara.

>>6230471
Is Galvatron any good?

>>6230476
Shellformer, but has decent articulation when paired with Evasion molds.

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>>6230473
Considering mandarake has never gone below 4kyen on just rusty prime I think its "ok", seller had just the prime for $35 plus $10 but then he dropped the overall prime by $5 and kept the same shipping with the inclusion of galvatron...

But yes, >>6230474 as well, paid too much because of the galvatron, though last time I ever saw him was in retail, some shopping was flogging movie voyagers for $30aud, only got it because its cheaper than hunting mandarake.

Also fun fact, this is my third evasion mode prime, I wanted the movie the best but skipped it because it cost far more than this, another fun fact is I paid $50 aud for the first original hasbro evasion mode prime so if anything this package overall is better, shame its lessened by its partner

>>6230476
The articulation makes up for the fact its a shell former where the legs don't even transform save for a panel that covers up the sides, but not the top which leaves them exposed in truck mode.

I just wish the back panel could fold up mode or just be removable like the leader movie prime, I dig the sculpt even if the acual robot body doesn't do shit other than tuck his arms behind his head

>>6230473
>Nintendo Switch/10
So is that good or bad? I don't follow /v/ memes.

>>6230480
It was already bad even before /v/ made it a meme.

>>6230480
>only one real game
>plastic screen is easy to stratch
>the cheaply made dock can actually damage the screen with just normal use unless you throw a cloth in there to protect it
>cheap manufacturing standards

Wait for a switch U or a price drop with more games, there are other complaints but its still early days

>>6230479
You should've just bought the Takara Movie The Best Voyager Megatron. Even by Bayformers Galvy is pretty meh in design.

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>>6230479
You could've bought a better Megatron/Galvatron. Evasion's a solid but the white repaints aren't worth the extra dime unless it's your first/second evasion. Plus there's Wei Jiang but it costs 60 bucks tops.

>>6230483
Sounds bad but I really want to play that Zelda game.

Maybe when [spoilersontoylol]they port it to 3DS[/spoiler]

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>>6230484
>>6230485
Eh the galvatron was just a toss in because of the better value than buying it from mandarake, I also REALLY liked the evasion mode head but didn't want to pay mandarake/movie the best prices, the weijang on ebay for me is $120aud for me and while I know its good I can't give it the justice it deserves, right now rusty is going into open air display while galvatron will be thrown into the box of purgatory.

Speaking the which I found my reason why not to get that movie the best megatron, its not even mine my parents many years ago bought it for my younger brother who didn't even like transformers.

I don't give a shit I like how fat and ugly he is, just a shame he fits absolutely nowhere, yes I forgot my pic

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>>6230197
Maybe I'm retarded but I never had a problem with the heads not matching the bodies.

>>6230295
>hollow wrists
Throw it in the trash.

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>>6230492
That's the standard for toys these days, w-where else are those hands gonna fold up, use a slider, are YOU a cave man or something?

Who can afford covers for hollow arms, even mp bee didn't have that, next you'll be wanting more than 3 paint apps.

[spoiler]my bin is full of TR and can't take any more hollow wristed toys[/nospoilerbecause/toy]

Just ordered Megatronia, she should be here soon. It's weird, I didn't care for Victorion at all but the molds look so good in Decepticon colours.

>>6230496
Black with neon pops better on megatronia over dull water melon victorion.

I say that as a retard who owns both

>>6230497
>retard who owns both

Don't sell yourself short. They're totally different characters even though Megatronia is just a repaint but a different character none-the-less so its not really that surprising that one would actually want both. If I had an extra $150 lying around I would buy Megatronia myself and I already also have Victorion.

>>6230499
I'm...surprised anyone *here* is saying its ok considering the initial hate victorion got being a fembot and all that comes with it.

That is why I plan to have both since they are different characters, and megatronia just pops so well with her neon colors, and if I don't like them being an all girl combiner I can use grand scourge just as well as the torso

(Technically mine isn't here yet, premium collectables is stalling half my orders)

Hey speaking of Victorion, turns out the cars are married.

>>6230502
Protip: nobody worthwhile was actually mad about Victorion being female, and those that were complaining about it were just doing it to stir up shit.

>>6230503
>turns out the cars are married.
And the helicopters are siblings.
Also, Pyra Magna wasn't even the first leader of the team. Her boogeyman is space centaur Judas.

I thought everyone hated Vicky because her colors are absolutely hideous.

>>6230519
It seems that most of the people who got her found that the colors don't look that bad in person.

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>>6230519
Would she look better in any other colors?

>>6230526
who the fuck chose those colors, were they color blind?

Truthfully I'd swap the greenish shit on vicky for pure white and I'd been happy

>>6230526
I want Vicky in CIA's color palette

>>6230526
Replace Option A's bright blue with silver and I'll happily take my Triggerhappy-colored Victorion.

>>6230530
DR. RATCHET, I'M COMBINER WARS

>>6230519
More like they weren't what was voted for. What won was vivid teal as the primary colour and dull red and grey as the secondaries, then the toy was announced with vivid red as the primary colour with vivid teal and grey as the secondary colours, and then the toy was released with vivid red and dull mint.

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apparently Funpub was planning on doing a Sari figure before they lost the Transformers license, a shame too since it actually looked pretty decent by Fubpub standards

>>6230540
Is that an actual painted prototype, or just a shop with a CG head?

>>6230542
That's all Photoshop.

>>6230540
it looks like shit, it uses a shit mold, and it not having a human altmode misses the point of a sari toy.

If they can't do a good one, they shouldn't do one at all. I'm glad this never happened.

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>>6230539

>>6230404
>Why rainbow?

Because eventually someone realized using the Nazi's Pink Triangle as their sign of pride was kind of fucked up.

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>the box set is out

Is there a point in getting this for people who collect mainly Titans return instead of Legend?

>>6230548
Do you want a bunch of extra little people to have in your vehicles and bases?

>>6230542
almost definitely a shop

>>6230544
at this point any official Sari merch would be fine with me

>>6230554
>there was never an action master sari with transforming scooter/jetpack accessory

>>6230548
>Did you neglect to buy Brawn, Clobber, or Skytread when they were out in TR?
>Would you like to have nicely painted Titan Masters hanging out with your other toys?
>Are you okay having doubles of Chromedome, Hardhead, or Brainstorm in colors that don't match their TR bodies?

If yes to any two, go ahead.

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>>6230437

>still no Wave 4 preorders for Titans Return

Annoying. I wonder what the delay is? Movie stuff?

>>6230564
Because
>its already out in the Philippines
>shit distribution
>hasbro are incompetent
>your very own, autistic, scenario as to why no pre-orders

I pick the first since I got skyshadow and perceptor, but the others work just fine.

>>6230526
If the teal had been a cleaner, bluer blue and had been the majority colour instead of the red (like the options seemed to suggest), the red had been deeper, and the white/silver had been more prominent I'd have been all over it. As is, Vicky's colours were just unbearable. A shame as the cyberglyphic details were pretty cool.

>>6229625
I've though that too. Honestly I would love an upscaled Titan Master line in the future. Same basic gimmick, but the smaller body turns into a vechicle instead of head. All the vechicles would probably need the same basic shape to make the gimmick work but I'd accept it.

>>6230570

I just want Kup dang it.

>>6230564
Movie stuff this happens with every wave just before the films since RotF. Two rumors run as to why:
Hasbro trying to ensure high movie per order/sales
factory runs get dicey with the extra movie line and as such they don't get information out easily.

>go to walmart
>see combiner force figures
>repacks have less packaging now
Kinda neat.

>>6230589
It has to be the first one. Wave 4 has been appearing in Asia, so factories are clearly producing it.

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>>6230573
I agree with all your points, but in hand it looks pretty decent (although you may have already seen it in hand, just personal opinion). I'll probably do some repainting or partswapping at some point if I can find junkers of her mold mates. She's got a nice silhouette though and I like her cohesiveness in combined mode. I do wish the red was rusting for sure.

>>6230589
it's neither. It's the stores themselves holding out for movie stuff. The stores hold the power in what gets put on the shelves.

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>>6230629
Rusting should have been "rustier" fyi. If her colors were more rusted copper and rusted iron it would have been cool. Although a cleaner blue with a muted red would be a superior option instead of the reverse as it is now.

>>6230621
you misunderstand. The theory is that where they are mass producing more than what they are use to they don't distribute order information well. Similar issues happen when Hasbro start running both legends and 3.75 at the same time, order info on 3.75 was scares and hard to come by. It's just the nature of big distribution.
>>6230639
That doesn't apply to online anon. Think for a second what we are talking about here.

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>>6230639
So your telling me BBTS and the like have no issue offering preorders on several dozen Japaneses imports, vinyl lines of the band and countless other TF merc while the movie is coming out but Hasbro's single wave of TRs must be kept away for higher movie toy preorders?

>>6230658
>are mass producing more than what they are use to they don't distribute order information well.
This might be the truth since most stores have the wave 4 TMs and Skyshadow up for perorder but nothing else.

>>6230666

Not him, but yeah pretty much. Big box retail is just looking for their piece of the action from a blockbuster movie. Fuck whatever "collectors" want on the shelves, they want mom and pop spending money for little Johnny, who just saw the hot new movie with Bumblebee.

Also, what does BBTS selling imported Japanese vinyl have to do with anything? That's has zero impact on what Walmart/Target/ToysRUs does.

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>>6230227
Reverse Prime, but I'm betting they'll just give him an original name or just call him Zeta/Sentinel Prime.
>>6230223
Here.

>>6230681
You need to read the reply chain slowly. No one is talking big chain stores.

>>6230683
looks like the usual issue, ok from the front but any other angle is trash.

>>6230681
Most people here don't perorder from big box chain and everyone's beef has been the complete lack of offers from any site. Your theory can't work from perorders alone because stores like TFsource, BBTs and others will offer perorders if given the information needed to request orders, movies be damned. The fact they haven't gotten that means that it's either on Hasbro's end directly or the warehouse sending out the info to sites to offer perorders.

>>6230681
>Also, what does BBTS selling imported Japanese vinyl have to do with anything?
Because your argument is the online-stores (what we are all talking about) withholding preorder offers for TM wave 4 over the movie when they offer everything else which is a very stupid argument.

>>6230683
hmm... it's not terrible, but not great. It's a bit too dark methinks.

Thanks for the pic!

>>6230295
Is this one better than CW Hound?

>>6230544

>it not having a human altmode

But she wasn't a human, anon

>>6230741
Dunno, I don't own it. Like I said though, I think Universe Hound is a near-perfect figure aside from his too-short thighs. It's just pleasing to handle. Ravage isn't the greatest but he's a bonus pack-in so I can't complain much.

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>>6230548
Why ask a question that only you yourself can answer? You pretty much already know what Titanmasters are like, the question is, do you want those 5? If you do, then yes, there is a point. If you don't, then there isn't. Jesus, you people need to be spoonfed your own opinions sometimes.

That said, the paint on those is really nice. Their little bot modes feel much more like actual mini-figures than the Hasbro counterparts because of it. Unfortunately, the colors on Hardhead and Brainstorm won't match the Hasbro figures, but Chromedome is close enough, and his Legends version has a pretty excellent paint upgrade.

I've said it before, but the painted details on Brawn make him the literal cutest thing ever. I wish he had his own vehicle in matching colors, though.

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>>6230199
oh so now he turns into a space shuffle!

>>6230741
Yes, but mostly on the looks, his plastic feels better but both have the same articulation, some people don't like his jeep mode bot his only real con is the shoulder proyector, it doesn't clip and falls pretty easily.

>>6230639
Yeah, and it fucking sucks. Especially when looking for late-wave figures.

>>6229796
It's not an issue. I literally was in the exact same situation as the guy you're replying to. I thought maybe that crotch plate would fold back too, but it definitely meets strong resistance to go in that direction. So. I stopped trying to do that. He didn't. Not the toy's fault.

>>6229802
Seriously?
The last 4 MP's I've gotten have been amazing QC-wise. Ratchet, Inferno, Grapple and Cheetor *ALL* felt like major step-ups from the likes of Lambor with his gappy/lumpy vehicle mode.

>>6230745
Sari's human form was technically her alt-mode.

>>6230544
If she got rid of the techno-organic part she could acquire a jet-mode by scanning one.

>>6230877
>Lambor with his gappy/lumpy vehicle mode
You are the only person I have ever heard complain about that vehicle mode. I have Lambor and there's nothing wrong with his vehicle mode. It fits together just as well as Ratchet. And doesn't ratchet scratch his paint during transformation? I really don't know, I don't own him, and my Ironhide is fine, but I've heard multiple anons saying Ratchet was a different story.

I think it's funny that after all these years, Lambor is still getting shit on for one thing or another, despite being a fantastic toy.

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>>6230888
>You are the only person I have ever heard complain about that vehicle mode.
That's because you're browsing /toy/, a forum not known for intelligence, common sense or observation skills.

Look at this thing. Every other MP Car pegs together and lines up 100x better. This isn't even a photo that's trying to make it look poor–and NO, this is not the knock-off, the knockoffs are even shittier.

Also, the vehicle mode paint could be and should be much better. Every release of the mold has lame paint issues.

>>6230888
Ratchet's paint isn't as strong as Ironhide's, there's a few points where chipping is an issue for him where as Ironhide has no problem.

Maybe it's because I have G2 Sideswipe and his black finish hides the gaps a bit better, but I love his car mode. Sure it isn't perfect but if I wanted a perfect car mode I'd buy a die-cast car. It's still awesome looking.

Fresh bread:
>>6230933
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>>6230529
>who the fuck chose those colors, were they color blind?
Not really.

>>6230745
that's why I said ALT MODE, genius.

>>6230741
Yes. Although his shoulder cannon doesn't stick on like it should, so it'll fall off quite easily. Other than that, it's superior in every way simply due to being a bespoke version of the character.

(inb4 red/gold darth vader tf)