Beasts of the Mesozoic

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>>6179985
There's not that much to talk about the KS. It seems like it's on point, with several months expected delays but nothing really of a major drama.

Sadly other dino figure lines are still stuck in the middle ages. They're either static figures like Papo Safari Sleich Rebor and co or they're shit tier hasbro jurassic world figures. Mattel is still a no show after they acquired the Jurassic World line. Maybe we'll see what they can do at Toyfair, but I won't get my hopes up for Mattel

One exception to this if anyone didn't know is the PNSO line. It's Peking National whatever line and they made pretty decent scale 1/20 or 1/35 figures that is incredibly scientifically accurate. But then it is still a statue and not really an articulated figure.

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>>6179985
Reminder

>Never ever

>>6180097
fuck you

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>>6180097
I'm just glad I was able to get pic related without spending a fortune.

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How hyped are you guys for the ceratopsians? Seems like it is really happening

>>6180319
He can basically go crazy with the headsculpts and that's really all that's needed to make them looks worlds different I'm hyped.

I've also completely forgotten when raptors I picked so that'll be an interesting surprise whenever they finally happen.

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>>6179985
I'm pretty impressed with the creator's quick response, and willingness to alter sculpt and take into account fan feedback even though he had a day job at NECA. This is the first toy KS where he truly take constructive criticism to heart and didn't act like a big diva about it or play victim.

But holy shit the level of autismos in the comments sections that he had to deal with. I thought regular toy goers are autists, but the line seem to attract real paleontologists and paleoartists and these people have no concepts of mold reuse to save money on tooling and wanted every raptor to be 1:1 special snowflake museum replica.

What a saint, 10/10 would back again

>>6180348
*This is the first toy KS I BACKED where the creator truly take constructive criticism to heart and didn't act like a big diva about it or play victim.

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>>6180346
>He can basically go crazy with the headsculpts and that's really all that's needed to make them looks worlds different I'm hyped.

If it stays truly at 1/18th he would need several body bucks for several sizes of ceratopsians. A triceratops is much much larger than the literally who medium sized ceratopsians. I would imagine it also requires different pricepoint for a figure that is 20-30%. I'm pretty sure the scale autists would've flared up and go nuts. The poor guy already had to make several posts on facebook explaining how a 4.5 ft long 1/6th scale articulated triceratops figure is just truly not practical on every level and would've cost four digits burger bucks

>>6180034
I've seen pics of that Basilosaurus. If it was straightened out and in a static pose I'd buy it, cut it into sections, add joints, and make an articulated custom of it.

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>>6180469
>I've seen pics of that Basilosaurus. If it was straightened out and in a static pose I'd buy it, cut it into sections, add joints, and make an articulated custom of it.

How would you make one out of pic related (the long neck)? It's a pretty neutral pose, one of the biggest long neck dinosaur sculpt ever made, and it is made out of hollow vinyl. The PNSO figures are really something else, it is basically a scientifically accurate Sideshow tier sculpt for very cheap price. The only problem is that it is a pain in the ass to ship from China and sometimes the paintjob isn't up to par to the quality sculpt (but still better than anything except Sideshow on the market)

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>>6180097

Hurts

>>6180319

Not in the least. It's a 100% skip.

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>>6180810
That's your lost buddy. Cera a best girl

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>Been planning out the Ceratopsians action figure series lately and was very inspired the other day by these pages from my 'The Art of Julius Csotonyi' book.
>What ceratopsian(s) would you all most like to see in the next series of Beasts of the Mesozoic?
go ahead and circle the ones you like most and repost the image here

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I just want a 1/12 rex, the jurassic park ones are big, but are still only about half the size they should be

>>6180819

I'd bang Cera. I won't support those toys, though.

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>>6181292
>36. "Yoshi's Tribe"

WUT

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>>6181292
Einosaurus the beer opener for sure is on top of my list, seconded by Diabloceratops.

Sadly other than Triceratops, Styracosaurus, Protoceratops, the rest of ceratopsians are literally who? Also I wonder what's the color scheme David Silva's gonna use for the ceratopsians, half of the fun in the raptor KS is to pick a modern bird color scheme onto the raptor.

Picking a boring land mammal color scheme (grey or brown basically) would never be as fun

>>6180319
>1/18 fully articulated dinos

brb nutting

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I still wish he'd make the raptor and ovi in plastic, I love that angular style.

>>6182360
Yoshi's Trike.

>>6180360
should point out he will be having two different scales for the ceratopsians. he mentioned that the tiny protos will likely be 1/6 scale like the raptors.

>>6180360
I would fucking shit myself if I have a 4.5' long Triceratops toy.

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>>6181292

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Get hyped

>>6186225

It's going to be sad to watch this Kickstarter flounder.

>>6186260
screencapped for when you're BTFO because you're a dipshit. These will have way more variety than the raptor series, which despite all the slightly different sculpts to the casual buyer they all look more or less the same. The variety in size and heads here will lead to larger orders vs people just buying a couple like with the raptors, which is what, one of the top 5 most successful action figure kickstarters? You're a moron.

>>6186268
>These will have way more variety than the raptor series

Uh-huh...sure. Whatever dude. The raptors were a good choice, these are a dud from the start.

>>6186268
I'm also cautious about this particular one. I wish the KS and David Silva all the best, because he's been the most responsive KS creator I've ever backed. I hope that the support from your non typical /toy/goers are high.

Plant eaters always sell less, objectively less in demand than badass meat eaters both for kids and collectors. There's also no real reason to "army build" the plant eaters unlike the raptors who hunt in pack, and army building is the bread and butter for a lot of KS project so you can have a person spend a lot of money on the same figure that doesn't require any new tooling.

>>6186268
Lmfao. Touchy, touchy! If you had any faith in it you wouldn't get so butthurt.

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He would've garnered so much support from non dinosaur, or casual dinosaur enthusiast if he put an armor set accessories onto the KS. I'm sure tons of people who collect 3.75 gi joe, marvel and star wars would want an armored triceratops with mounted cannon in their collection. However we might have the sciencefags and paleo enthusiasts, the main component of the backers butthurt

I'm concerned that the KS is a bit too, plain. Realismfags gonna force their plain natural brown/grey color scheme onto the figures for realism purpose unlike the super colorful raptor KS.

>>6186268
even as a fan, I think a lot of the heads look overly similar. I'm sure there will be paint to help distinguish them though
>>6186283
yeah, I'm trepidatious. the raptor KS started with 3, if if he starts this with 2 large and 2 small options he could add the rest through stretch goals.
I envy that rich madman who herd builds ceratopsians

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>>6186822
even just earthtones can be interesting - and this image doesnt include zebras
>>6186295
armor would be a great add-on, or separate campaign.
futuristic, steampunk, MadMaxian...

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>>6179985
I keep getting updates from this dudes facebook but I never really pay any attention to it. I was getting to the point where I thought they had released the original raptor orders and I got cucked out of my order.

Haven``t really thought much about it since I funded the kickstarter but now I`m starting to get hype having a small raptor army.

>>6186260
If he gets this under a lot of dino collectors radars it will get funded. These are dinosaurs that barely get any statues or toys. He isn't just selling toys to guys who collect anime girl figures, the raptor line was sold as a 1/6th line and various groups were interested in the line.

>>6188851
Raptors are a much more popular dinosaur though, as are carnivores in general. Going with the Ceratopsians as the followup could end up biting him in the ass.

Even if it does get funded, I don't see it exceeding all the stretch goals like the raptors did.

>>6188851
Agreed, especially since they will be better articulated than any ceratopsian figures before them. I might get one, and I'm not a huge fan of those dinos either.

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>>6188851
I mean the dude sells model kits and statues on his website already.

There`s obviously a market for this , his kickstarter was funded, and he seems to be running a business already. I have faith he'll do alright.

>>6188876
Well, the point is that he at least gets funding which is going to happen because of the reason other anons and I already pointed out. He has a monopoly on articulated Ceratopsians. Even if this somehow fails I don't think he's gonna drop doing dinosaurs, he was already doing that since before the KS. I remember when the raptor KS just started, you guys were saying it was gonna fail, I don't trust /toy/ to predict shit.

>>6188696
I got my paper goods (print, postcards) today!

>>6188906
difference here with the people saying it could fail, is most of us have supported the raptor kickstarter. Not just random /toy/ soldiers in this case. I personally know I really would only want just a single ceratopsian versus multiple raptors. As cool as all the different species look, they just don't have the same wow factor of all the different raptors. I know I can pose my raptors in tons of different poses, but the ceratopsians? only so many radically different poses you can display with.

but who knows how it will go once the KS happens.

>>6191788
Yeah unless there's some extreme engineering involved with the head, there's only so much you can do with articulation on the four legged ceratopsian. Case being pic related. I like the bulbasaur line more than the other starters, but despite one's best effort to articulate it, the result is meh.

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>>6191788
Forgot pic

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>>6188920
Fuck yea, bud.

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>>6193967
>only so many radically different poses you can display with.
>Venusaur

But he can do pic related. Are you telling me you don't want your ceratopsians to do handstands?

>>6193997

I'd bet you $3,000 it won't be able to do that.

I'm waiting for reviews since they look they'll be flimsy as hell

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How much do you guys think pic related is nowadays?

>>6198475
The original version MIB is around $80-90 on ebay atm. I'd say at least $60.

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My favorite prehistoric toy

>>6198475
If you just want the figure you can find it open for cheap.

Bought the velociraptor from bigbadtoy store just now. Is there any other figures planned from the creator other than the current line?

>>6191788
>ceratopsians

Why would he do this instead of a Theropod line?

>>6198475
that one is expensive because it was part of the "JP Dinosaurs" line, you can find the original release for cheaper MIB.

>>6198664
dude, read the friggin thread. top of the thread we were talking about the next thing he is doing.

>>6198671
Be a use he really has no idea what he's doing.

>>6200197
There are already tons of 1/18th theropod figures in the market. He's not gonna be able to make 3ft long 1/12th articulated T-rex. Moreover any discussion about theropod gonna devolve into featherfags vs. scalefags

Good quality ceratopsians toy on the other hand has been fairly limited

>>6200241
>any discussion about theropod gonna devolve into featherfags vs. scalefags
Excellent point. It's pretty much a given on raptors, but you're gonna start fights about any others.

>>6200197
>no idea what he's doing
>has plenty of experience in the toy industry
>successfully sells his own statues and models
>super successful KS that's actually going along well
sure thing

>>6198671
There's plenty of reasons
>bare bone options for articulated ceratopsian figures
>appeals to dino collectors (toys and statues), and 1:18 collectors
>1:18 scale KS have been successful
>when he worked on the 2011 JP line he was disappointed working on the ceratopsian figures due to the limitations

Makes sense he would do ceratopsian figures.

>>6201989
I don't get why he has become such a meme dinosaur

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>>6201999
It's because they look so off. The arms are so short and stubby it's a distinct possibility that they may not have been visible on a living specimen. Likewise you've got legs that go on for days. They just look kind of... well... DERP.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISjItjSb8lc

>>6200154
Really? damn I have one of those suckers sitting in my closet, nib and all. I thought the jp dinosaurs line was worthless as they're repaints.

>>6202825
You forgot to factor nostalgia. And when JW2 comes out the price should go up more for a little while.

>>6203715

So fucking cool. And with Muldoon no less!

>>6203715
Lycaenops is a good figure.

I loved that Jurassic Park had so few Jurassic-period dinos in the the toy line, and then they even added Permian critters to the whole mix. Wu is truly a mad genius...

>>6201233
Well he might have a slight point about the guy having no idea what he is doing for choosing Ceratopsians. Sure he was successful with so many other things, but that doesn't make him immune from personal bias getting in the way of 'knowing what he is doing'.

If I was him I would have done a much broader selection of a few types of herbivores. Maybe bring together just three main dinos like how he started the raptors, but it would be something like the more popularly known triceratops, stegasaurus, and Anlyosaurus. Then as stretch goals are released put out things like Kentro, Styraco, and so on.

I just feel like there will be far less enthusiasm for having as many Ceratopsians on your shelf as the raptors. Going for a broader selection of herbivores helps balance that out by having a greater diversity in the wave. As narrow minded as big companies can get about 'what sells and what doesn't, they aren't completely stupid either.

>>6205607
>If I was him I would have done a much broader selection of a few types of herbivores. Maybe bring together just three main dinos like how he started the raptors, but it would be something like the more popularly known triceratops, stegasaurus, and Anlyosaurus. Then as stretch goals are released put out things like Kentro, Styraco, and so on.

Problem with toys is that then all of them requires new tooling. Tooling are the most expensive part of toy production. Triceratops Stegosaurus and Ankylosaurus all have incredibly different body buck and require 100% new tooling each time, so the KS would be 3x more expensive. Remember it takes $125k for the first raptor to be approved, then most of the raptors are just combining several body types/parts and add onto a new head? For 3 fresh tooling the KS might've required $375k just to get funded alone.

I'd love a very versatile and wide arrangement of dinosaurs, but that's not how toy production work practically in reality. Mold reuse and saving money on tooling is the name of the game. Even giants like Hasbro etc are doing it.

>>6205607
>>6205695
Then there's people like me who just want so many dinos and want to fuel the fire for as many more as possible that they'll fund it as much as they can just for the hell of it.

I bought every single thing I could in the raptor KS, excluding the calendar. Fucked my bank account up but totally worth it if it means more dinos in the future.


I just wish there were more people who'd do that.

>>6205702
Yeah I hope the guy can jump off the KS dole and produce toys like normal. Kickstarter is supposed to jumpstart a product, a test of concept to show there's a market and interest for a product, not a continuous wave by wave risk outsourcing to fans endeavor.

He ran a legitimate resin kit company, I hope he can find investors and run a proper articulated dinosaur production, rather than having to rely on KS everytime. Some toy studios have grown out of KS like Boss Fight Studios, while some like the 4H kept doing KS after KS rather than grow into a real toy production

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>>6205607
Ceratopsians will allow him to make a lot of visually distinctive species while reusing parts tooling just by swapping the head and color palette.Simultaneously including other groups of dinosaurs and remaining somewhat scientifically accurate would be ridiculously cost prohibitive.

>>6205709
I'm so sick of you retards talking out of your ass. Boss fight has done nothing different from the 4H or Silva or anyone else who has had success with KS. Their continued releases are nothing more than repaints and part swaps because they've had all their costs covered by the KS. They will have another KS in a bit for their fantasy line, then another for their space line, and so on and so forth. It's one thing to cover a few thousand dollars worth of orders on toys you have ready to go, it's another thing entirely to spend $100000 on new molds.

>>6205709
>I hope he can find investors

I don't understand why people expect one rando indie sculptor to suddenly like go public on wall street and turn into Tesla just to make dinosaur toys for you people.

>>6206045
what dino is this?

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>>6206110
>Visually distinctive
I see an awful lot of three horns there.

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>>6207524
Gorgosaurus. A medium sized Tyrannosaur from around Montana and Alberta. The toy itself is from the poorly and unnecessarily dubbed Walking with Dinosaurs 3D movie that came out a while back. Is very nice.

>>6207481
>Boss fight has done nothing different from the 4H
This isn't true.
Boss Fight is capable of producing redecos without requiring interest free loans like 4H does.

>>6210447
Which figure is this?

>>6210797
The old Jurassic Park basic Velociraptor figure.

>>6209076
>Boss Fight is capable of producing redecos without requiring interest free loans like 4H does.

Oh get bent.

>>6205709
>Kickstarter is supposed to jumpstart a product
And you continue to not know what you're talking about.

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Just read an interview article with the guy
http://www.figures.com/2017/02/09/talking-dinos-with-david-silva-beasts-of-the-mesozoic-series-qa/

I'm kinda concerned with pic related. Seems like he's planning to split the ceratopsians even further into two KS, Centrosaurus (literally whos) and Chasmosaurus (literally whos). Doing quick successive KS's with nothing to show from the first KS is a big NO NO, as Keiji Inafune would say with regards to Red Ash KS when MN9 hasn't shipped yet.

Moreover, splitting the figures into two main genus/order of species when the bench is already kinda as thin as it is, and having the figure costing $45 or more for 20" long ceratopsian is a recipe for disaster. I'll get one or two of these, but it's not like your average /toy/ soldier gonna build herds of ceratopsians.

I wish him the best, and I hope that the other side of collectors, e.g. real paleoenthusiasts could pick up the slack for the line to live on at least until we get into Ankylosaurus and other armored dinos who are my personal favorite

>>6212487
It's in the name you faglord. It is supposed to kickstart a production of experimental product into mass market retail, not an elaborate preorder scheme/interest free loan for people who cannot make it for real in the industry and raise money from investors

>>6212729
>Spring 2018
If there's nothing to show from the raptors by then there won't even be another KS.

>>6212729
>20" long

The Ceratopsians are going to be 1:18 scale.

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>>6212804
But the raptors are still on schedule to ship this July

>>6212828
Which would make them about 20" long for the big Triceratops. Maybe 18"-20" long but its in the ballpark.

3.75/6*30 = 18.75

>>6212833
My bad, you're right.

>>6212729
I dunno, I think it'll get funded but just not be quite as successful as the Raptor series.

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Not trying to be a shill for a random chinese company, but the PNSO series is excellent for their price. They're sculpted by real paleoartist, scientifically accurate, big (they're 1/20 compared to other dino statues at 1/35), decently painted and very cheap (~$20 of taobao). The reason they can be very cheap is that despite the sculptwork, the figure is made out of hollow vinyl.

I wonder if the hollow vinyl can be incorporated into the upcoming ceratopsian KS to drive the price down, and the inevitable upcoming T-rex/theropod KS after the ceratopsian KS. A truly 1/12th T-rex would be absolutely sick. To be honest, there's not really that many posing options for four legged dinosaur. You can just have swivel legs, and big ball joint on the neck. There's no reason to have as many segmented bodyparts as >>6186225 are you really expecting a triceratops to do ab crunch and splits? It's not that any of these joints would be effective, just look at the D-Arts Venusaur.

>>6212729
Wasn't that always the plan? One of the pics in this thread shows him comparing two different ceratopsians in different scales and the centrosaurus body would be reusable for smaller species. At 1/18 scale he can probably pull in some Jurassic Park and GI Joe collectors.

>>6212729
> I'm kinda concerned with pic related. Seems like he's planning to split the ceratopsians even further into two KS, Centrosaurus (literally whos) and Chasmosaurus (literally whos).

Centrosaurs and Chasmosaurs. That's the subfamily Centrosaurinae and Chasmosaurinae. If you don't recognize Styracosaurus or Triceratops, that's on you I guess? They're recognizable.

> Doing quick successive KS's with nothing to show from the first KS is a big NO NO, as Keiji Inafune would say with regards to Red Ash KS when MN9 hasn't shipped yet.

The raptors are set for a summer release and the same article says there haven't been any major setbacks. If he doesn't run the Kickstarter until spring of the following year, he'll have plenty to show by then.

>>6212908
I'm not concerned about the 1/18th scale, I personally wouldn't have space for a fucking 4ft long triceratops or even the 30" long triceratops for 1/12th scale, not to mention the 45" long accompanying T-rex.

I'm concerned about the two separate KS campaign for the two body bucks/species/genus whatever the difference is. This is the first time I've heard of it and I think it's a bad idea. People are not inclined to give you interest free loan when the initial loan hasn't been paid off yet. Also having 2 separate campaign will stretch the bench of figures super thin

>>6212909
>The raptors are set for a summer release and the same article says there haven't been any major setbacks. If he doesn't run the Kickstarter until spring of the following year, he'll have plenty to show by then.
I'm sure the raptors gonna turn out great. I'm a backer and have great confidence in the project.

I'm concerned about him holding a KS campaign in Spring 2018, then another one in Fall 2018 for a very similar product. People who backed the Spring 2018 campaign might not be inclined to give him money for the Fall 2018 campaign. I recognize Triceratops and Styracosaurus, but who else would be part of the campaign? The bench of iconic ceratopsian other than Triceratops, Styracosaurus, Protoceratops (for being Velociraptor's nemesis) and maybe Einosaurus are kind of thin. Look at >>6206110 a whole lot of 3 horns with different angled horns and nothing more to distinguish themselves. If these figures are more expensive, 20" long figure that is $45-100 then people would just grab 1 of them (likely being triceratops the most iconic one) and don't care about the other stretch goals

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I'm still waiting for pic related in toy form.

>>6180034
But i like statue shit.
Especially 1/35 size.

>>6180540
Where are these from? I like the Ceratosaurus.

>>6213236
>statue shit
To be fair, their Basilosaurus has an articulated jaw.

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>>6213255
anon you know what i mean.
I just wanted to state, i like static toys or dinosaur models.

>>6213392
Yeah, I got ya. I can only enjoy static figures in neutral poses, personally. Partly because it makes customizing easier.

>>6214376
>Partly because it makes customizing easier.
Do you have any pic of your customs? Do you add joints onto the figure, or just chop off the head and put it in some marvel legends body to make a monsterman?

>>6213392
This would be a great photo if that second spinosaurus in the middle was not in the picture. Biggest problem with most toy photos is everyone's always trying to cram in too much shit. The one with the fish looking at the distant sauropods would be beautiful.

>>6214380
I was really speaking about customs in general. I've chopped up a JP Raptor arm and added custom 3D-printed 5mm joints to give the arm elbow and wrist articulation as an experiment (long story short, the joints worked but I had to drill some fucking PRECISE holes for the 2mm pegs to fit into without issues). Neutral poses make for easier and uniform cuts to carve out and add joints. For something big though, you'd need some big joints that would either be from ball-joint dolls, custom-made, or 3D printed. I think Revoltechs get as big as 10mm in diameter, not sure what's the largest Figma joints out there (Hulk might have the larges for all I know). That's dealing with paleo-stuff anyways. I've got tons of unfinished projects of anime figures.

>>6214431
Dont mind that there are too many. The different quality or company is thats downing that photo.

>>6214376
Fair point.
>>6214553
So you make them into action figures? Nice.

>>6212745
Kickstarter isn't just to go into production and launch into being a viable business by itself. It's for supporting projects you want to see succeed, not businesses you want to see become businesses. He kickstarted the raptor line because he doesn't have the money to produce them on his own. If he kickstarts ceratopsians, it will be for the same reason. Many people who kickstart projects aren't trying to enter ongoing production and make that their business, they are funding projects that traditional investors weren't interested in backing, or that they want to retain creative control over, rather than surrender it to an investor. In this case, no investors are willing to pay for production of scientifically accurate velociraptor toys, but enthusiasts are, so you kickstart it with minimal extra costs to backers, so they can get exactly what they wanted, and you don't rape them on price because then less people will be able to back it.

4H is a real company, but they are a real SCULPTING STUDIO, not a toy manufacturer and distributor. They run Kickstarters because they don't have the upfront funds, sufficient employees, or scale of operations to become a toy manufacturer. Not to mention I doubt they want to become that, they do well for themselves. Same applies to Silva, he's a well-respected sculptor already.

If someone does want to kickstart a large scale production that's fine. But for any of these project to become that, their goals would be in the millions of dollars, not a few hundred thousand to cover tooling costs and production and shipping. Both Silva and 4H have set their projects up such that people who want their product can get it, but those backers aren't expected to fork over enough money to hire employees and front production of entire waves beyond their initial backing.

You just keep showing up being autistic about Kickstarter and failing to get the point of why they kickstart. It isn't always about starting a new company.

>>6209076
4H does product 'redecos' without 'interest-free loans'. They do small waves between their kickstarters in which they take their existing molded parts and make new characters with new paint schemes from them, no backers required.

>>6215073
>4H does product 'redecos' without 'interest-free loans'. They do small waves between their kickstarters in which they take their existing molded parts and make new characters with new paint schemes from them, no backers required.
Are you dumb?
They required preorders for those waves and sold off any remainders from their minimum production numbers China sets.

When was the last time 4H ever made their figures on their own dime? I think it was 2015 SDCC with the translucent Raven.

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>>6179985
Since it wasn't posted here, for those that don't know, new red version of the velociraptor.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/creativebeast/beasts-of-the-mesozoic-raptor-series-action-figure/posts/1817320

>>6216113
oh nice, didn't realize he was gonna do another paint scheme.

>>6218984
Yes, it was the excess blue velociraptors, and since he couldn't sell those as they were the exclusive, he asked the factory to change the colour scheme for the remaining amount so he could freely sell those. So the patterns are identical to the blue exclusive, just with different paints.

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Protoceratops hype

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>>6225468
Epic fight scene incoming

>>6225468
Yawn.

>>6225468
>>6225470
I always knew that if I was only going to get one thing from this Ceratopsian kickstarter it was definitely going to be a Proto to go with my raptor. Got to say that the Proto and Gracili especially look like they could actually have a lot more posing oppurtunities then most of the other ceratopsians.

Makes me tempted to slap on an actual Velociraptor to my order now. but got too many other things going on at the moment.

>>6225468
I don't really see any of the literally whos selling very well except for Protoceratops. Maybe real paleoenthusiast base are bigger than I thought, and I'm wrong, but your average /toy/ goer wouldn't know what's a leptoceratop is

>>6182520
This lead me to check out the diabloceratops fossils and skulls plus an extra hour and a half of other dinos. Man I forgot how much I used to love this shit.

>>6188890
I never noticed how the crew was jostling in different directions before. Thanks for ruining that, lol.

>>6203715
Only one besides the raptor I got were all the rubber flesh dinos with removable battle damage. Pretty cool for the time.

>>6210813
I miss that lil'bastard.

>>6225470
I like how the raptor tore the muscle from the right fore leg, and it looks all limp.

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Kosmoceratops: JUST

>>6225645
Well Gracili being bipedal looks like it could actually be fun to pose around a lot, so might sell decently just for the novelty. Psittaco may also be Bipedal but I just don't see it offering as much posability as Gracili due to body shape but of course that could easily change once he makes prototypes. However I can see Psittaco being popular if only because it has a some more exposure then the other 'literally whos'. One of very few fossils to have such amazing skin remains preserved and it's very unique tail quills. Will definitely be interesting to see how he colors the Psittaco based on the pigmentation samples discovered.

>>6225841
There's always EBay...

>>6225847
>horns pointing to your brain

what is even the purpose?

>>6226363
Just like any ceratopsians, probably for mating display.

The discovery that the horns actually contains blood vessels and neurons kind of kill the idea that ceratopsians are combative rhino-like animals who would charge against a T-rex head on.

It is probably more like impala/deer horn, first and foremost for mating and intraspecies competition rather than self defense just like how you don't see an impala charging headfirst onto a lion

>>6180097
Not sure what the context here is.

>>6226510
>you don't see an impala charging headfirst onto a lion
would be sick tho

>>6226916
I'm sure a Chevy would do just fine against a lion.

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>>6180360
Am I the only one who are bummed at his refusal to make 1/12th scale, truly articulated dinosaur?

The Kenner JP T-rex came out in like 1993 and a whopping 24 years later it is still the undisputed king of big bad playable T-rex. Even then, the Red Rex is not really 1/12th, more like 1/15th scale (it is 1/18th technically, but T-rex in jurassic park are slightly oversized).

NECA were able to sell deluxe figures such as Queen Alien and the 1/4 scale figures at 100 bucks a piece no problem. If it's just the Big Bad ~2ft long T-rex I'm sure a lot of people would shell out the $100. At $45-60 pricepoint like the upcoming Ceraptosian line feels kind of like half measures. I hated when KS toys had to be a "wave" with many unlockable stretch goals and mold reuse. Why don't Kickstart it just item by item, and make it more popular with the general public like $100 a piece bigass T-rex, then $100 a piece bigass Triceratops for companion piece so potential backers aren't stretched thin between variants and subspecies of only real paleoenthusiast would know.

>>6226510
if they didn't use their horns for combat, how did they defend themselves against apex predators?

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>>6226935
>if they didn't use their horns for combat, how did they defend themselves against apex predators?

How did wildebeest defend themselves from lions and leopards? Run, and rely on herd mentality. Horns and charging are reserved only for absolute last resort. There are hundreds of triceratops bones/fossil specimen, as they're literally the most common dinosaur at the time, and only single digit specimen have combat marks against T-rexes

>>6220371
I wish they stuck with this quality level on the Jurassic World line.

>>6226942
that makes sense. I imagine many herbivore dinos travelled in herds.

also, it's cool to see dinosaurs being portrayed in a more scientifically accurate way - as giant birds rather than reptilian dragons.

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Not sure if this is common knowledge or not, but T-Rex incoming.

>>6226971
Yeah but it would be 1/18th T-rex, still cool but not as cool as truly 1/12th T-rex that dwarf every other thing you have in your collection.

Also I'm not looking forward for the featherfag vs scalefag T-rex war

>>6226516
Unreleased Jurassic Park Carnotaurus figure.

>>6226971
YESSSSS

all of my yes

all of it

>>6226928
A 1/12 scale T-Rex at $100 is pretty damn cheap for a Kickstarter especially given the volume and size to put that into production. More likely it would go for around $150-$200. That said, I'll admit that I'd be more than happy to pay for one at such a price given how it would make for one hell of a figure.

Heck if it all comes down to having a proper T-Rex with feathers instead of the usual JP ones, I'd still be up for it just as long as we can get a proper 1/12 T-Rex.
>inb4 scalefagging intensifies

>>6226971
Nice. Guess I should have checked further down before I posted >>6227009

>>6226974
>Also I'm not looking forward for the featherfag vs scalefag T-rex war
Fuck, I'm not looking forward to that.

While a 1/12 T-Rex would have been great, I'm just happy we're getting a bunch Tyrannosaurs to match the Ceratopsians.

>>6227013
>>6227009
as long as rex is not covered entirely in feathers it should be fine. As far as I am aware of the few skin impressions T Rex has they were all scaled and I am pretty sure those same areas had feathers on his close relatives. but they were also on areas like feet and belly

>>6227101
Oh yeah definitely. I recognize that Rex isn't nearly as covered in feathers as some artists like to think and yeah, I would hope that with David Silva keeping it close to reality for the Raptors that he'd do the same for the Tyrannosaurs.

>>6226928
Because there's more people willing to buy one or more small figures than there are people willing to buy one $100+ big figure.

Also, the figures are released in waves because it makes the most sense from a manufacturing perspective. If you use a part on more than one figure, you can produce more figures at a lower cost. It also appeases those who want different characters.

>>6227101
that's why there would be fuzzy juveniles

>>6227101
>>6227130

I'm curious, I know that a lot of the theropod fossils coming out of China right now show clear evidence of feathers, but has any evidence been found in specimens from North America?

>>6226928
>no feathers
>no thank you

Found the problem

>>6227343
There's no hard evidence that Rex had feathers, but given evidence from smaller Tyrannosaurs with similar scale/body structures, it's highly likely that it did. Even then, if it had feathers, they would have been very short, bordering on small quills than full-blown feathers.

>>6227471
I'd be willing to bet it didn't have them. But then Featherfags want to plaster everything with ridiculous looking designs nowadays claiming it's "right."

>>6227343
yes evidence of feathers on theropods in North America have been found. It must be noted however that the primary reason for a lack of such finds is due to the sediment more common between the fossil formation sites of china and NA, and not a lack of Dinosaurs with feathers. The muddy swampy waters of most of the Chinese sites(swampy during the dinosaur time obviously) has a much greater chance at preserving feathers then the sandstone of most NA sites. For a while there were concerns that sandstone was incapable of preserving such things until they discovered a feathered fossil in canada a few years ago.


I recall hearing somewhere that feathers were not really a thing in the South Americas. Could be very wrong on this, but some basic google searching is not yet contradicting that. Best example of a almost certainly not feathered dino from the SA is Carnotaurus. They discovered an amazingly nearly complete skin impression of him which showed zero signs of feathers.

>>6227130
>>6227101
I actually now think he should make two versions of T Rex. The opartialy feathered/quiled version scientists think he might have had, and the completely non feathered version. Because right now both viewpoints are technically accurate based on hard evidence, T Rex is just too prone to massive arguments if you go one way or the other I feel.

It could be a stretch goal, especially if he designs and paints it to be similar to the JP Rex then you will really get folk wanting it.

>>6227530
>But then Featherfags want to plaster everything with ridiculous looking designs nowadays claiming it's "right."
Just because you're angered by some amateur artists decorating dinosaurs with shitty designs doesn't mean T-Rex couldn't have had feathers.

Like I said, even if T-Rex were to have feathers, they'd be very short, most of which would have likely been small quills than actual feathers and that wouldn't have changed its appearance that much beyond looking more a little more prickly.

>>6227534
I've also read that it could have been a case by case thing, wherein it was also possible that some T-Rex could have had feathers and while some might not depending on the environment.

In this regard, I think having two versions would make sense and it'd actually serve in giving us some variety while still being supportive of either side of the argument.

>Best example of a almost certainly not feathered dino from the SA is Carnotaurus. They discovered an amazingly nearly complete skin impression of him which showed zero signs of feathers.
That's actually pretty cool. Also makes more sense why modern depictions have barely been updated.

>>6227534
>I actually now think he should make two versions of T Rex. The opartialy feathered/quiled version scientists think he might have had, and the completely non feathered version. Because right now both viewpoints are technically accurate based on hard evidence, T Rex is just too prone to massive arguments if you go one way or the other I feel.

That would require two separate molds, two separate sculpt making it way more expensive than it should have been to appease some autism argument.

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>>6227657
I think he should have big shaggy fur. Cutest rex is best rex.

>>6226974
if scale between the dinos bugs you, say they are outliers?
if you want people to interact with them, get some Mega COD guys, they're 1/36th (two inch) which would make the dinos fuckhuge

>>6227674
he needs all the hugs

>>6227657
He's already doing a ton of raptor species, why not have 2 or 3 Rex sculpts

>>6227534
Ty anon, that's the answer I was looking for

>>6226953
>Carnotaurus and Stegosaurus molds never ever

>>6226942
They've done impact experiments with resin-copy Triceratops skulls against simulated T-Rex leg flesh with a charging force.

The end result: Triceratops shattered its entire nose and both long horns broke off easily. Some have suggested the horns would have just been to ward off a Rex at best. Any significant force (enough to break skin) would put the Triceratops in worse shape than Rex.

>>6228224
You seem to know what you're talking about but could you link your evidence? This seems quite odd as it's the first I've heard of this, despite numerous years of reading support for their horns as defense.

>>6227657
You really think only people of the 'scales only camp' will have any interest at all in a scaled rex? If he would make as similar to the JP Rex as possible without copyright issues, then even the people buying a feathered Rex will likely want him.

I don't care if you are scale fag or feather fag or completely indifferent and just love dinosaurs, we probably all grew up with Jurassic Park. He would definitely sell well, and it's not like he would require any more new molds then some of the raptors he popped out. Let's say his normal Rex has feathers just along his back, that leaves the lower jaw, arms and legs as definite reused molds for the full scale version.

>>6227547
You have to realize Carnie is also a very recent find himself in the history of paleontology. Mid-late 80s iirc, so he was getting recontruction that was far more accurate from the get go. Of course people do have the habit of basically making an Allosaurus and slapping Carnotaurs scutes, ridges and head on it, when he also had the most useless arms of dinosaurs to the point they are considered Vestigial, and it has a massive set of legs and thick tail full of muscles meant to assist in running faster.

>>6227674
man it's like they looked at the few areas that we have skin impressions of (belly and feet) and just left those exact spots as bald spots then said 'man we can NOT make a full feathered face look good, leave that bald too.'

>>6228212
no problem

>>6228224
I second this, I too have not heard of this study. Very interested.

>>6228224

Sounds like you're making shit up, honestly.

>>6228235
>>6228315
>>6228396

Well fuck me, can't find the documentary that did that or even the experiment. Guess I'll have to sit in the corner with the dunce-cap until I can find it.

Still, the brow horns were hollow and Triceratops's nosal roof was comprised of thin bone. But again, dunce cap. Ignore my blabbering until further notice.

>>6228470
*nasal

>>6228470
I don't think you're full of shit, I seem to recall seeing the same thing. I'll see if I can find a link

You guys are probably thinking of this documentary
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Truth_About_Killer_Dinosaurs

>Doing a crash test with an artificial Triceratops skull, made of resin, scientists learn that Triceratops probably didn't charge at predators, for its skull would likely break.

Sadly the documentary episode has been taken off youtube

>>6228771
Here's an educated article about it

>The ornaments of Triceratops don’t do much to help the predator-prey scenario, either. Although this dinosaur’s horns and frill have been characterized as weapons, the only direct evidence known of combat is for fights between adult Triceratops. Likewise, even though ceratopsids lived alongside tyrannosaurs for tens of millions of years, predator defense doesn’t seem to have anything to do with horn evolution. If horned dinosaurs developed horns to ward off attacks by big theropods, we would expect there to be an optimal form for defense, or at least severe constraints on the shapes of horns and frills so that they would still be effective. Instead, paleontologists have recorded a confounding array of different horn arrangements among ceratopsids, and the adornments appear to have more to do with communication within their species than defense against others. This is just as true for Triceratops as other horned dinosaurs. While some horns are better than none when confronted by a tyrannosaur, there’s no indication that the ornaments evolved as a predator defense strategy.


http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/did-tyrannosaurus-ever-battle-triceratops-95464192/#tPvgL3cyzEQTCAG6.99

>>6228779
The thing about the size and shape seems like it could be said about anything. What about the plates on a stegasaurus? And of course the spikes on its tail. The mace on the Ankylosaurus' tail. Those seem like they're unquestionably for defense. The horns on bull are used for defense, otherwise they wouldn't charge the way they do. I suppose it's possible that they served no purpose other than decoration but I'd have to think everything is more or less conjecture.

Is there actual fossil evidence for how weak and brittle they apparently are? Even if they were used for battling each other for mating purposes much like a moose would, I can't imagine they'd be as fragile as purported otherwise a charge against one another should more than likely shatter both of their horns as well. Not to mention if the horns were so weak wouldn't most fossils of these species have incomplete skeletons?

And for the more ornate looking skull patterns, perhaps they're a form of intimidation. They're large, could have been patterned for all we know, and have what (at least) appear to be spikes hanging off of them or at the snout. And if it was a mating thing then I'm doubtful both the males and females would have them (unless there are confirmed ceratopsians of the same species with differing head patterns), as unless I'm forgetting a species there aren't any animals that have a means of display for mating that are the same for both species.

>>6228771
>>6228470
A shame about that, but at least a name is known.

>>6228779
awesome will read later when have a chance.

>>6228886
Recent evidence does help support that. It is now know that those horns are bone, they have blood vessels flowing through them. Now this is not to say they are super fragile and break off with ease, but when you are dealing with the sizes of Dinosaurs, then they definitely become a lot less effective then the horns on modern day animals. I am sure they could injure the hides of a predator enough to make the predator think twice about attacking a Triceratops head on, but charging a T rex at full speed? All that thick dense muscle is liable to cause damage, and breaking off the horn like that would lead to infection to the blood vessels. They are frequently compared to how Rhinos charge down threats, but rhino horns are completely different. Unlike true horns, the horn of a rhino lacks a bone structure, it is entirely Keratin essentialy think of it as massive thick finger nail or claw.

Hope that explains a few things, the full purpose and evolution of the frill and horns are still hotly debated.

>>6228886
The plates on Stegos are said to either be for communication or to displace heat.

>>6229263
How dense were the bones though? Could we tell accurately? I feel like any sharp protrusion would be a useful means of defense. Like you said, their size would mean most likely incredible amounts of muscle mass, but I would assume a dense skeletal structure to support all their mass. And I would assume we couldn't accurately check that seeing as how they likely would have degraded at least to some degree.

I've always wondered this but never bothered to look it up. Animals like bull or yaks have hard horns that they could gore with, I would think. What about animals like gazelle? If 3 lion were chasing a herd of gazelle, isn't it only their frightful mentality that stops them from all just turning around and charging them to gore or stomp on them?

>>6228779
That article makes mention of there being no evidence of triceratops horns that have partially healed from tyrannosaurus teeth, but his article makes mention of such an occurrence according to a source in 2008.

"The dinosaur also used its horns and frill in fights against its main predator, tyrannosaurs. Paleontologists have uncovered brow horn and skull Triceratops bones that were partially healed from tyrannosaur tooth marks, suggesting the Triceratops successfully fended off its attacker, according to a study published in the book "Tyrannosaurus rex, the Tyrant King" (2008, Indiana University Press). But T. rex bite marks on other Triceratops bones suggests the carnivore did sometimes feed on the horned dinosaur, a 1996 Journal of Vertebrate Paleontology study suggests." - http://www.livescience.com/24011-triceratops-facts.html, 2016

Dinosaurs are great, too bad there isn't a way to actually see them and discover more about them from firsthand observation.

These threads remind me of why I hate other dinosaur "fans."

>>6229407
You don't like discussions?

>>6229407
Because you're an idiot?

>>6229407
But WHICH "fans"? The autists who keep going on about "muh scientific accuracy" or the autists that don't shut up about how uncool feathers are?

>>6229407
>tfw all I wanted was some super articulated or perfectly sculpted and painted statues of dinos, feathers or not, but instead I ended up angering a dinofriend

I'm sorry anon

>>6229434
No, discussion's fine. But then you get people like >>6230042
mentions, who either want to wave their dicks around and try to "win", or just stir up shit for the sake of stirring shit. Like >>6230012

>>6230071
>tries to blame other people for stirring up shit just to start shit

>his first post is reminding everyone in the thread that he hates them

"Idiot" wasn't meant as an insult bud, just a fact.

>>6230145
>>tries to blame other people for stirring up shit just to start shit
Like you're doing now.

>his first post is reminding everyone in the thread that he hates them
No, just people like you.

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Just ignore the shiposter guys

BTW how did Stegosaurus have sex?

>>6230169
Probably one of two ways I think:

1) Both Steggies lifted their tails and backed their cloaca together (possible theory for Dimetrodon too).

2) Male Stegs had a long reach with his dangly-bits and only needed to rear up and lean against the hip and thigh of his mate.

By the way, I'm the anon who mentioned the resin Triceratops skull experiment, so I could be horribly wrong this time.

>>6229407
>>6230071
Dude this is nothing, there are no more trolls in this thread then any other thread. You shoulda seen the threads when this line was first announced and being concepted aropund the same time as Jurrassic World IIRC. man the Trolls were in full swing getting people riled up. Once one side of the feather/scale debate realized they were just being trolled and stopped feeding, then the trolls baited the other side and repeated as neccessary.

>>6230169
Man the question many paleobiologists wish to know 'how did dinosaurs make more dinosaurs'. Steg in particular is a real head scratcher, not only does the plates and spikes pose a risk but the vertebrae at the base of the tail through the hips were fused making it impossible for the female to easily move the tail out of the way.

We do know that the Egg production of Dinosaurs is the same as in birds, it is actually how they are now able to sex fossils due to special bones structures found in the thigh bones of modern bones needed to supply calcium for egg laying. So it is very likely that the rest of the reproiductive system closely follows that of birds.

>>6230169
>Can't defend himself
>calls the other person a shitposter.

>>6230202
>disagreeing is trolling and everyone is samefag
Someday I'd love to check out what's really going on, but right now alls i gotta say is that I've been accused of trolling for simply disagreeing and entering a thread late.

>>6230042

Feathers are a terrible design choice that people such as yourself keep trying to push.

>>6230518
I initially had a large order but cancelled down to one figure just to check it out and support, and now that there is word that he'll be making smaller raptors to be in scale with the larger ceratopsians I'm glad. I want the most of whatever scale comes out in this line, and taking one of the smallest dinosaurs and starting it at 1:6th was a mistake.

I saw this KS before and I guess just overlooked it, idk how though because these are amazing. I'd like one of each, but will probably settle for 3 or 4 of them. I wish the Troodon was available on its own without the base, I just want that little guy. I'm surprised the differences are so great just swapping a couple parts here or there. Really impressive stuff.

>>6230823
Yeah wish i was confident enough with my budget to justify more then the one I got.

>>6230739
Well think about it for a moment: a 1/12 velociraptor would be roughly the same size as the old Kenner Coelophysis figures. Meanwhile you could use several of these raptors to be stand-ins for a 1/12 Utaraptor or Dakotaraptor (or InGen velociraptors with feathers).

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>>6230832
Forgot my pic.

>>6230507
I don't push feathers because I, too, think that aesthetically they're pretty shit. Especially when they make forelimbs look like wings.

>>6230891
Not him, but how do you feel about theracephalians and gorgonopsids with thin fur?

>>6230983
I dunno. Gonna need to see an example.

>>6230983
They look like shit, like prehistoric dogs that way. People like dinosaurs and other prehistoric creatures because of their lizard/dragon like qualities. If people wanted gorgonopsids with fur, things like sabertooth tigers would be more popular.

>>6230863

Those Bendy bois were terrific.

>>6231139
>googled gorgonopsid
That it the smuggest looking prehistoric motherfucker I've seen.

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>>6231139
Here's some examples of hairless, sparsely haired, and furred. No skin or hair impressions exist from gorgonopsids, but there is evidence of them possessing whiskers from small pits in the snout similar to whiskered mammals.

>>6231168
Therapsids in general had varying degrees of resembling modern carnivorans superficially, even the lines that didn't make it past the triassic. Saber teeth have evolved multiple times in therapsid evolution as a whole even in herbivores like Uintotheres. I honestly think not enough interest goes into ancient mammals considering how much they radiated after the Cretaceous in to a plethora of different forms. Permian life was not as exciting as Dinosaurs' but we did see the cousins of cynadonts evolve pretty similar features that gives them a more familiar look rather than dragons with upright legs.

>>6231260
People love dinosaurs for how different they are, the fantasy of them. The reason extinct mammals don't get the attention dinosaurs do is because we can see "Close enough" versions of mammoths and sabertooth tigers and any number of other creature still alive today. Dinosaurs we have either tiny lizards or tiny birds, and the idea of a massive beast is so fantastical to childrens' and by extension some adults' imaginations. If we are to find out they actually look quite similar to mammals or birds of today their allure disappears.

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>>6231329
*shrugs* For me it's the opposite. The more similar we find out they are to extant creatures in looks and lifestyle the more believably real and easier to visualize they become.

>>6231563
This. I loved dinosaurs as a kid because I couldn't believe that such unique and terrifying creatures dominated the Earth for so long all while being so different from humans. Maybe it helps that I always loved reptiles in general, but seeing how such unique reptiles could exist was what always drew me in, and with how they seem to be the evolutionary step before birds even came to be, it just adds an extra dimension to them beyond simply being giant lizards.

If anything, I personally find the revelation of feathered dinosaurs to be more fantasy-esque since it reminds me of Eastern dragons. Even then, it's not really about wanting dinosaurs to have feathers, rather by discovering more about them it serves to ground the harsh reality that these creatures truly existed long ago and yet we'll never actually see them.

>>6231260
That thing genuinely looks badass, and it kind of reminds me of a particular mammal enemy in "Dino Crisis 2".

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>>6231168
>If people wanted gorgonopsids with fur, things like sabertooth tigers would be more popular.
And guess which of the two didn't get a toy from this series despite being in the first episode?

>>6231742
Not him, but to be fair, the Primeval gorgonopsid was big (likely Inostrancevia), and a toy would be bigger than even the raptor figure that was made. My guess is that not making a toy of it was a production cost decision.

I still would kill for an articulated gorgonopsid other than the Kenner Lycaenops.

>>6231982
>>6231711
>and it kind of reminds me of a particular mammal enemy in "Dino Crisis 2".
>(likely Inostrancevia)
That's the one! Thank you for reminding me. Now this makes me curious to check them out.

>>6231563
saving that image. Every once in a blue moon I get into an argument with someone who tries to bad mouth every siungle reconstruction attempt as completely wrong because they read articles on the more main stream online media about 'shrink wrapped' dinosaurs. They will point to images of modern shrink wrapped animal skeltons which is usually all mammals, but sometimes there is a bird thrown in. I laugh at how despite being drawn with feathers on they still look like naked bids much like that owl.

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>>6231711
I just can't help picturing the sillier side of birds, like instead of these huge, graceful beasts, I'm picturing waddling duck walks, bobbing chicken-heads, T-Rexes flapping their little arm when a breeze scares it, and a constant BAAAWK BAWK BAWK BAWK BAAAAWWWWK.

That said, marauding bands of wild turkeys are fucking terrifying and I imagine a lot like what a flock of raptors would be like in real life.

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>>6232561

>>6231711

Them more bird-like they make dinosaurs, the less I care about them. All the magic is gone and at this point I don't even bother with any updates to the paleo world. It's all soured and disgusting to me now.

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Can anyone help me ID what are these wolves? They're supposed to be 1/12th scale

Also does anyone know any other 1/12th scale just generic animal, articulated figure? The only one I have is Aslan as generic lion from Narnia toyline. Any other figures, especially wolves, bears are appreciated

>>6232813
I'm pretty sure those are dire wolves from the Bridge Direct's the Hobbit figures.

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>>6232813
If you don't mind stylization, Timber from GI Joe Sigma 6 is pretty good. Articulation is about the same except he has a slightly-bending waist instead of a swivel.

>>6232844
Wargs, actually. And they aren't 1/12 for the source, though they can be a stand-in for 1/12 wolves if you want.

The LOTR Warg was around 1/12 or so, being 11in snout to tail and 4-5in at the shoulder.

>>6233670
The JP stego we never got. I'm guessing that was for the Dino Showdown line?

>>6233826
From what I understand, yes.

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>>6233826
Yes, companion piece to the Carnotaurus.

>>6232863
not that anon, but for the number of times i seen discussion about the lack of even halfway decently articulated dogs/wolves when the PAKs D Dog came out, no one brought this thing up. Kinda shocked because I would be very pleased if more four legged figures had this amount of articulation at the least.

>>6235982
Now that's the only time a feather is allowed on a dinosaur. Smoof.

So how many glorious raptors are you guys ordering? I'm torn between several of them.

>>6234324

That's probably because it's D Dog, who was dressed in his Sneaking gear, instead of a basic animal.

>>6232813

That Hobbit Warg is a great figure. I have 6 of them.

>>6236760
I ordered 4. Two Atrociraptors and two Balaurs. Planning to do some custom paint jobs to make each a male and female based on the modern day bird species' plumages they use. Atrociraptor's is easy, a little dab of red by the eyes makes it a male. Balaur on the other hand requires painting over it with a brownish coat to make it a female.

>>6236760
The fan choice Dromaesaurus has an absolute delight of color.

I'm getting him, with 2 grey Dromaesaurus as his bitches to make a pack, Velociraptor and the Velociraptor nestlings

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>>6236904
Forgot pic

>>6236904
that Drome is all I am getting, was very tempted to grab one grey drome too but have to keep the budget open for the near future.

>>6236906
God DAMMIT wings look so fucking retarded...

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>>6236760
I got three. Velociraptor (orange) for the being one of the classic dinos to feature the terrible claw, Dromaeosaurus (grey) for the broad body/jaw/skull, Balaur for the bird-like qualities. I'll admit the orange Dromaeo is tempting if not for the fact that the Velociraptor fulfills my need for an orange raptor.

I also separately ordered all of the nestling dios from BBTS and will decide to cancel later based on whichever one loses my interest.

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+1 for Dromaesaurus

Let's be honest here, most people are not gonna pose these chicken-sized raptors next to a truly 1/6th inch Hot Toys figures.

Most people are gonna pretend that these are the size of Jurassic Park raptors and pose the rapters with 1/12th figures or even the 1/18th GI Joe figures.

If that's the case, and you still want to have a semblance of scientific accuracy then Dromaesaurus is your best bet, because he's the most closely related to the recently found Dakotaraptor which was truly the size of a JP raptor

>>6236760
Just 2. It was all I could justify towards a kickstarter figure with unknown final product quality no matter how nice the prototypes hand made by a pro were.

>>6236760
Originally 3 then added a 4th, being the red velociraptor.

>>6236760
I got everything except the two build your own raptors.

>>6237005
Yeah, they're pretty fucking stupid looking. Kind of an eyesore, especially on toys.

>>6236760
I could only afford Albertensis, but I really want the new one too. Gonna do a better job of saving up for the next kickstarters

>>6238982
I think he said the next one won't be until Spring 2018. So you still have a year.

I bought everything you could aside from the posters and build your own figures in this and it cost me like $650 or something. Not too hard to save that up in a year.

>>6231260
I never get why come people feel compelled to give Gorgonopsid rhinariums. Their bones don't make it look like they would have one comparing them with mammals.

>>6241925
I think it plays back into the possibility they had glandular skin.

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>>6236760
my raptor dudes

I just added the KS one, I didn't like him at first but he grew on me

I kinda want to add the FC Pyroraptor, but that is just too many raptors..

>>6244138
>that photo
fuuuck I am so hype. Compared with other kickstarters, 2 months isn't far at all

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Ayyy HOPPP

>>6245373
damn those are going to be some beefy dinos when he's done

>>6228222
Was there supposed to be a stegosaurus? God dammit Hasbro...

>>6248265
Already posted in here.
>>6233670

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I never ever trust Kickstarter projects but finally gave in and ordered this guy. Did anyone get any figure yet or has nothing been released? Also is there anyway to talk to David silva? I want a raja Saugus when he eventually gets to making theropods

>>6238699
This desu but if the final product matches what was shown in the website then I'm gonna buy all the figures and support his future projects too

>>6249045
No one has figures yet. He just posted an pdate showing off the first run production test models or whatever he called it. Basically factory used whatever plastic scraps it had lying around after finishing up all the molds to be used for the mass prioduction, and then made a single run through of of the parts to send to him for final inspection and approval.

Not often someone shows off that part of the production so is very neat to see how open he is throughout this whole thing. He keeps updating the kickstarter with that information. Progreses on his sculpting and plans for the ceratopsians can be found on his facebook.

He is reall good at answering questions on the discussion on kickstarter. Not sure about his other social media outlets, since I really don't do social media but so far this guy has beren very open in communication.

>>6249045
He's easily reachable on his Facebook too, just look up creative beast studio

I've asked him a couple questions and he always answers within a day

>>6236760
I just ordered one atrociraptor and one kickstarter exclusive velociraptor

>>6249088
>>6249249
Yeah this plus the figures themselves were the reason why I ordered something off Kickstarter. I really hope he delivers, it's not even about money desu, I just want someone who actually cares about what he is doing to succeed

OK so I beleive the pledges are now actually being charged now right? I have some concerns and questions. What does the charge say on others' billings? I am really worried that out of no where I suddenly have 3 charges for $50, which covers the cost of shipping and 1 raptor, all from Aliexpress which I have never visited(despite this being /toy/) let alone used. The third one states it is PENDING, but the other two look like they went rthrough.

This has happened at a really bad time when my finances started getting low then this happened. I am worried these repeated charges may overdraw my account. Is this normal? what is going on?

I am concerned I may need to go to the bank and actually get them to block charges coming from Aliexpress if this can't be easily sorted out.

>>6250366
>I am really worried that out of no where I suddenly have 3 charges for $50, which covers the cost of shipping and 1 raptor, all from Aliexpress which I have never visited

Dude what. We got charged when we submitted the backer kit like a year ago. How do you think the production can go without up front payment?

I didn't have any new charges, it seemed like you had problem with your credit card and need to get it blocked

>>6250396
I am very new to all this. I assumed the charge went in months ago as well but now I am not sure what is going on. Just seemed odd to me I am getting 3 repeat charges of $50 which is the exact price of my order, and not something like $58.67 and other different numbers for each charge.

Do you at least recall if Aliexpress was the name for the charge on the billing or anything? want to make sure before I go and dispute things.

>>6250404
No. Aliexpress is a site where you can buy cheap stuff from china.

>Aliexpress.com

It has nothing to do with Kickstarter. Something wrong with your accounts, friend. :(

>>6250413
this is what I assumed in the first place, but again the $50 dollar being so exact seems odd to me, even more so when one of them was still listed as PENDING. I just wanted to make absolutely sure aliexpress didnt have some sort of connection with the factories or whatever and thats why they showed up.

Checking further back I did find that i received an email in november that my order was processed. So that rules this out as a suspect. Feeling both better and now completely freaked out.

Apologies for turning this into my blog

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have to say this is tempting, and the price point isn't so bad for a figure of this size... My question is when will this come out and if this pre-order outside of Kickstarter would be guaranteed to deliver. I have no exp ordering toys from Kickstarter campaigns/indie/individual toymakers like this.

>>6250441
Well even people with experience with other kickstarters like this probably won't be able to answer you with any confidence regarding this project. This guy is new to doing something like this on kick starter, we frankly do not know for sure.

However he is very open and easy to communicate with so shoot him the questions. I will say that his last kickstarter update mentioned something about people with card issues need to get those resolved now to gaurentee their order. This implies to me they are nearing the line of when the orders placed directly affect how many figures are made. At least thats the impression I been getting from his various updates.

He did definitely state at the beginning he would be ordering more figures then he had orders for, and then selling them for a short time after the deliveries were sent out. So I think if you jump on now, you should be good.

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Phase 1
> 20 figures of literally who dinosaurs (except Triceratops)

Phase 2
>27 figures of literally who dinosaurs (except Styracosaurus).

I commend his enthusiasm, but I doubt the literal who ceratops gonna ship more than double digits especially if they're $45++ each, which from the looks of it >>6245373 is very likely considering how much plastic those things have

>>6250613
I'm willing to bet it's the color schemes that's going to win people over. It definitely worked last time.

>>6250613
with so many sharing exact bodies maybe he's planning to pack-in swappable heads.

>>6251126
I'll be interested to see how he picks the color schemes this time. The raptors' were all from extant birds, so it makes me wonder what method for determining colors are going to be used this time.

>>6253174
Well scientists now feel convinced the most likely reason for the frills was sexual display related. so those might have interesting patterns and/or bright colors not present on rest of the body.

Psittacosaurus should be pointed out to have a very impressive skin samples left in fossils. So there are some rough ideas about the type of coloration they had.

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>>6253174
If one tries to be realistic, then there's not that many grazing mammals nowadays that have crazy colors.

This is even further emphasized by the fact that top predators at the time like T-rex had some of the best eyesight, and can see color better than any animal on the history of the earth ever

>>6253263
Camouflage for the regions would make sense then. When you think about it, pulling a zebra with stripes could work for a herd. Then again, did ceratopsids have the mental faculties to look out for one another in herds or did that all go out the window once a predator charged in and it was every dino for themself?

>>6188876
Id take triceratops and stegosaurs any day over raptors.

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>>6235982

>>6254178
But would you take 20 reskinned triceratops at $55+ each over 20 reskinned raptors with various interesting color scheme at $33 each?

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BEEG DINO TIDDIES

>>6255259
Looks hefty enough to knock someone out with it. I love it.

>>6255259
Now THAT would be a good mount for my waifushit to ride around on.

>>6255259
I can't imagine we'll be seeing as many of hear as we did the raptors at this size.

Also, this pic kinda made me less excited. I'm having flashbacks to that JP pachyrhino figure that had a decent amount of articulation but was still barely able to do anything dynamic. I almost feel like no matter how much articulation is out into cerotopsians, they'll still always be bricks.

>>6255327 JP pachyrhinosaurus
that one had seven POA, including an action feature in the neck. this looks to have 17
>>6253174
see
>>6186845

>>6254579
Yeah you got point there. Propably not. Just meant to say that not everyone has a hard on for raptors.

>>6255259
fuuuck I wish that I could sculpt like that

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>>6255309
>there will never be a dinotopia anime with a dedicated toyline of cute anime girls and their dino mounts

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/creativebeast/beasts-of-the-mesozoic-raptor-series-action-figure/posts/1843427

Welp the raptors are delayed. He just got the first test shots, and haven't started production yet. This is kind of typical of every toy KS so far. Kind of disappointed but what can we do.

On the other hand though, the range of motion that he showed on the test shot figures were incredible. That bendy wire tail was super elastic, the raptor can turn its head more than 90 degrees, and they can even do a lunging attack pose.

Let's hope that there's no more extra delay

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>>6257496
>delayed
damnn well I guess that's to be expected
>that articulation
holy FUCK that looks good, that's such a ridiculous level of movement for a non-humanoid.
>Dromaeosaurus
I've never been more vindicated in my purchase, I love his broad head.
>arm feathers are removable
nice, literally the only feather part that really turned me off

>>6257496
Man. That's pretty impressive and even better than what I was expecting. When he picked up the tree I half expected it to be articulated too.

>>6256346
I still want to fuck and cuddle with Zippo from the miniseries.

>>6257496
I wonder how bendy the tail is gonna fuck up with the paint on the tail. I doubt you can make paint stick onto rubbery plastic like that

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>tfw dinosaurs are extinct and we're stuck with playing miniature toys of them

Truly the worst timeline

>>6257937
I'm pretty sure it's better for our survival this way.

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>>6257937
But anon, that's the best thing about extinctions. You immortalize everything extinct with toys and merch to enjoy it without worrying about it starving or decreasing in populations anymore. Dinosaurs and the like are now our movie monsters, cartoon stars, and one of the most commonly made toy characters. Just think in a century or two pandas and whales will have a fan base and plethora of merch that Dino's do today!

These look nice but am I reading this right, with cost plus shipping a single raptor would be $45 dollars? Considering the size it's about twice as much as I would consider reasonable.

>>6258120
Yeah just like any KS toys, they're slightly overpriced. You could've gotten them at cheaper price if you backed the KS, buy bulk and save on the flat shipping cost.

Most KS toys baloon in price later on, considering the JP dinosaurs still go for a lot of money I'd say it's likely that these raptors will increase in price too once the stock run out.

It kinda sucks either way, but it's not like there's any competitor, if you want a modern, articulated dromaesaurus then this line is your only bet. The articulation would be a massive increase from the next best raptor figure, which in my opinion is >>6235982 25 years old JP raptor

>>6258065

But that's...what? No....

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>>6258065
Come on you tell be these niggas are comparable to pandas.

The blue whale, maybe, but not pandas. The amount of power, ferocity, and turnover rate during dinosaur times were insane. A grown up T-rex would need 150,000 calories per day just to survive. A juvenile T-rex would need to eat up to 300,000 calories per day, which means about 200 kg of meat to gain mass and grow into adult T-rex.

I haven't seen calculation for the truly massive sauropods, but I'm sure it's even crazier. These things are equivalent to majestic titans from greek myths and I'm so sad that they're all extinct.

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>>6258138
There's also this old Resaurus Carnage Collection raptor but good luck finding one for a decent price.

I don't get it, can I still preorder these at their Backerkit store? Can't tell if they mean the preorder store or their kickstarter ended November 2016.

>>6258271
kickstarter ended in november. they reopened the backkit store after they closed the surveys the first time. as has been mentioned many times in the thread, ask him he will very likely answer you. or better yet ask on one of the official discussion things he answers on. either he answers or someone already asked and someone repeats his answer for you

>>6257908
yeah! I bet he takes care of the offspring of another man

>>6258271
I bought a second-hand Giganotosaurus from that line a few months back. Lucked out and got it for about $40 when they go for like $100-ish on eBay. Considering my local natural history museum sold them for $30 when they were still in production over a decade ago that's not bad at all.

I also got the Primeval Raptor for about that price when they go for usually twice that. Both dinos have lots of POA but their range and f movement is kinda lack-luster at the legs and arms.

>>6258271
The hips and shoulders are swivels, it can't turn its head, and it topples over.
That's a lot better than most dinosaurs that are only statues, it's still not ideal.

>>6257496
Hhhhhnnnngggg, that articulation is bonerific.

>>6258138
>25 years old JP raptor
Man, do I feel old. I'm 30 this year and I have that figure, I love the rubber T-Rex from that line too. I'm so tempted to get a raptor from this line but I'm also stacked with pre-orders from other stuff.

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After seeing the articulation in action, I had to go back and add the Suni and Tsaagan. Realistically, when can we expect to have these in-hand?

>>6259363
Maybe winter this year, probably pushing to early next year.

He didn't have the steel molds yet. There's gonna be production and painting happening in summer/fall. Based on the timeline of other toys KS, then there's 1 month worth of shipment from chinese factory to the US. Then we don't know what's David Silva's logistics situation. The only other toy KS I backed, the Mythic Legions by the 4H took forever to ship from their warehouse.

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>>6258682
Yep, I'm 39 and age just kinda creeps up on you. I also have the JP raptor and T-Rex. From the website it looks like some of these raptors are about $36 shipped, that's better than the $45-50 I thought they were.

Maybe after the pain and heartache of tax filing I'll preorder one.

>>6259678
There is no active, or upcoming dinosaur figure line other than the upcoming raptors.

Ankylosaurus and the likes are my favorite dinosaurs, but sadly there's absolutely no good figure of them. A 1/12th beeg ankylosaurus with bendy wire tail as flexible as shown >>6257496 would be my dream figure

>>6257937
If you think about it, if non-avian dinosaurs survived into today and lived alongside humans, we would've killed them all off just like we're doing with everything else on the planet.

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>>6259790
Well everything needs to put into context of natural selection. If modern humans time travel backwards with modern technology then sure, we'll probably wipe the dinosaur out with bazookas and tanks.

However, if we have to co-evolve along with dinosaurs who already exists beforehand, then there's no way early hominids would've survived the savagery of things 20x their size like the T-rex. Hell not even the T-rex, how about gigantic things like Quetzalcoatlus? They'll pick adult humans like eagles picked on rats. It would take climate change, or natural disaster similar to the meteor impact for early hominids to win out against dinosaur

>>6259762
People just talked about ceratopsians if you bother to scroll up. I don't understand why you're trying a hissy fit about a plastic toy made out of extinct animal. If you want to talk about other dinosaurs feel free to introduce the subject

>>6260059
>>6260059
I hope he does a pterosaur line some day because I would buy the shit out of a Quetzalcoatlus figure.

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These guys are bigger than I thought, which is sweet

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Scales confirmed on the snout of Daspletosaurus, a close relative of T-rex

>The skulls for both sets of creatures are also filled with foramina, holes that accommodate the nerves and blood vessels necessary for wiring a hardcore sense of touch. Based on the similarities, Carr and his team think tyrannosaur faces would have been covered in a mask of large, flat scales and may even have included an array of ISOs.

Featherfags BTFO score point for Scale master race

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>>6261167
>>6261310
Nice!

>>6261005
Did you not see the promo pic posted a while back of ML Starlord in front of these three?

That reminds me, I need to grab GotG Vol. 2 Starlord to pose with my raptors when they finally arrive.

>>6261167
Not sure why it has to be a contest or anything. All that matters is understanding the past better.

But I do have to ask, when they say Tyrannosaurs, do they mean rex or tyranosaurs in general? I have a feeling it is in general but it becomes hard when reading the articles cause I don't see direct quotes from the researchers saying 'Rex' at all but the writers sure do mention 'Rex' a lot.

Personally I always suspected that even IF rex was partially feathered, the majority of his head would be exempt. Key word is IF, no concrete proof yet on Rex, just a majority of his relatives having proof they had feathers.

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>>6264781
This. I love the old interpretation of Andrewsarchus (CollectA recently did a figurine of it) but I have to remind myself that the latest evidence suggests it looked like either a narrow-snouted hippo or just an enteledont with lower-placed eyes. Not that it isn't any less of a ferocious predatory creature in the more recent depictions...

Anyone know any good recent documentaries with new info on Dinosaurs?
Actually where do all the nerds get their news?