Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

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Nth for Beastmen

You can summon after disembarking.

Plague Marines

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Will the Maleceptor ever be good?

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*fudges command points*

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>>55411743
We will return.

>>55411774
How does the Nurgling keep from getting the pages sticky and smudged?

What do you think is the most popular CSM legion by total players?

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>>55411743
admech btfo, no transports, weaker infiltrators, only mars is able to compete; rest should just go home.

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>>55411763

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Considering some parts for my Fuegan conversion.

Where should I put those Reaver spikes (black fin things)? On his helmet crest? His forearms?

Any colour ideas? My current Fire Dragons are scab red with blood red highlights and evil sunz yellow helmets.

>>55411793
laminated pages?

>>55411794
Everyone seems to love Iron Warriors for some reason.

with 8th actually getting me somewhat back into the game I might finally get around to assembling these deathwing I've had stuffed in a closet for years. I think I'll paint them early years black though.

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>>55411743
What are the odds that one of the Sister's <Order> would get the Ravenguard/Alpha Legion/Admech equivalent trait?

Will just every faction get their version of it?

>>55411795
>weaker infiltrators
I'll give you that, but Lucius and teleporting kastelans is might scary.

Do you think I can paint my chaos spawn with sores and green slime so they count as Beast of Nurgle? BoN are basically a more reliable alternative with way better saves and consistent damage compared to spawn

>>55411794
This edition it will be alpha legion, because they're the waacfag legion, and have a dumb excuse to look like other legions.

>timmy, didn't you used to play word bearers
>yeah, but now I do alpha legion, I love their lore
>but your models still look like word bearers
>yeah, that's cause they're in disguise XD

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The following should never have been expanded into full armies and should have remained as a few units to ally into other Imperial forces:

• Grey Knights
• Sisters of Battle
• Adeptus Mechanicus

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>>55411782
LMAO

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>>55411763
wrong.

>>55411795
You get your hands on the new codex? Because only half the forge worlds rules have bee released.

>>55411832
>grey knights
agreed
>sisters
disagree, they have a lot of fluff and an actually diverse amount of models to make armies out of, rather than 1 troop, 2 elites, and a mech.
>admech
eh, 6 of one.

>>55411824
How is it a dumb excuse if that is consistent with their tactics?

>>55411743
Are biovores any good? They seem really good, considering they can easily dish out moral wounds.

Hope they get the plastic treatment soon. Or at least the Pyrovore does, since it has a better model.

>>55411832
Grey Knights and Sisters should have remained chamber militants for their respective Inquisitorial branches. Ad Mech can stay as a standalone, because I don't know whose army they'd be rolled into

>>55411805
Heresy

>>55411832
>AdMech
>not tempestus scions
Come on.

>>55411782
>>55411833
They're actually mentioned in 8th edition I think

>>55411845
last thread bro. all the warlord traits and stratagems have been leaked.

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Wanted to start this thread after some dark imperium negativity last thread...primaris lives matter.

>>55411817
>Will just every faction get their version of it?
Grey Knights didn't. did they?

>>55411872
Cute cat.

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>>55411872
Fuck wrong pic

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>>55411743
>Tyranid
>Master Race
>Constantly losing in their own codex
>Can't even win against a bunch of space mushroom football hooligan even after fighting them for 112 years nonstop

>>55411823
any opinions on this? I know the Beasts of Nurgle are more sluglike, but idk if that is a hard rule or a guideline

>>55411866
Link to last thread?

>>55411898
>>55409165

>>55411800
>painting on the sprue
please don't do this

>>55411832
Because why exactly?

Why does people playing these armies and having fun trigger you so?

>>55411857
Just jam them all into a "Dogs of War" style book. They're not meant to be full military forces of their own.

>>55411862
Fair point. Add them to the list!

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>>55411836
>summon after disembarking anons still think they're right after things like this having been posted

>>55411898
winterseo has a video going through it all.

don't watch if you're an admech fan

>>55411878
Did they get any tactic options? I thought they were like Death Guard in that they all one Chapter/Legion/whatever

>>55411926
You've made the mistake of thinking any of the disembarking shitposters actually believe what they type.

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>>55411887
Fuck the chads, post pets.

>>55411906
It's way easier to undercoat both sides of the flag on the sprue. I'll cut it off before I paint the flame design I had in mind.

Does anyone know if there's a place that has a catalog of gw models/releases throughout the years?

I'm curious to see how some models and factions have evolved through the course of the game

>>55411906
It's ok to prime on the sprue though.

>>55411857

Sisters are soldiers of the Ecclisiarchy, not the Inquisition.

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>>55411763

>>55411817
Yes, every faction with subfactions will get it. Grey Knights and Death Guard have a codex, but didn't get it, because they don't have subfactions.

Expect Catachans to get it. Some sneaky git orks to get it. Some force field necron things to get it. Some hive fleet to get it. GSC will not get it, because they won't get subfactions (though they should, since they have varying cults).

Welcome to League of 40k.

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>>55411951

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>>55411965
What about Druchii?

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>>55411949
Mold lines and paintless spots where the sprue used to connect
Do not do this

DG codex on the mega when?

>>55411966
what did he mean by this?

>>55411976
They died with Fantasy, anon.

>>55411887

Nigga thats gay

But stylin

>>55411988
In that codex sister are soldiers of the hereticus inquisitors. I'm saying it should have stayed that way.

>>55411976
they will get on for each, one for <wych cult> <Kabal> and <Coven>

>>55411938
>a player, a dog, and their pet
what's his name?

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Death guard are the toughest legion
>lords are t4

>>55411983
You do know you can fix those up afterwards right?

>>55411793
To be fair nurgle followers probably like their pages sticky.

>>55411976
It's a bit tricky with drew carey, because they've got 3 faction tags. But I suspect it will be a haemonculus covens faction that gets the -1.

>>55412009
Pup's name is Logan.

>>55412005
Why?

The current organization of the game doesn't require this anymore.

What would be gained by making them this again?

>>55412019
>fix moldlines
>post prime

>>55411845
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daG1Pgr94zA

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>>55411949

>>55412036
I'm on mobile, so I can't watch this. How mad does he get?

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Newb from last thread again: should I go with Admech or Death Guard? They're the only things my game store sells aside from Primaris Marines, which I find boring.

>>55412046
Pretty salty for sure

>>55411912
Here's the thing with Grey Knights.

Are you fighting demons? Great. You're basically meta-picking your army.
Are you fighting anything else? Why are Grey Knights even there?

>>55412019
Or
now bare with me
OR
you could just do it before you prime it and get it right the first time

>>55412046
more salt than anger.

>>55412049
Death guard actually play slightly different from every other army, and more of their units seem viable. Ad mech have pretty big problems, and as a big codex race, don't offer much to separate them from every other big codex race so far.

>>55412022
So that confirms it won't always be 7 subdivisions?
Wonder how many there'll be

>>55412046
He doesn't really actively get too salty as far as I remember, though he does mention that he's a bit disappointed about the bad things in the codex.

>>55412058
absolute madman

>>55411817
>Ravenguard/Alpha Legion/Admech equivalent trait?

Im out of the loop. What is this trait?

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>>55412049
No matter what folks say about playing the winning team I always, ALWAYS urge people to choose the army they like the most in terms of how they look and the lore etc.

If you don't truly enjoy your dudes your not going to entirely enjoy painting them or playing with them

If theres another faction you like more that your store doesn't sell ask them if theyd be willing to at least order the respective start collecting set in for you to buy if not just buy online

as with most factions (except deathguard for now) start with the start collecting box first

>>55412064
>Death guard actually play slightly different from every other army,

explain pls

>>55412057
What's the matter? Didn't accept SWA had GKs fighting rabble instead of Death watch?

>>55412057
Maybe they think the enemy is demons in disguise?

>>55412080
trait: -1 to hit when beyond 12"
stratagem: pay 1cp to infiltrate a unit before the game starts

>>55412080
-1 to hit if shooting at them from more than 12" away

>>55412066
It probably will be seven subdivisions for the drew carey, but not all the subdivisions will cover the same units.

>>55412080
So far, every big codex (not small codices like GK or DG) has had a faction that gets -1 to hit from 12 inches away. With ad mech, GW decided to spice things up a bit and have the -1 to hit from 12 inches away faction not get the deep strike stratagem. Instead GW gave that stratagem to the "ignores AP of 1" faction. SPICY!

>>55412057
>enemy army is attacking territory occupied by Grey Knights
>Grey Knights just got done fighting daemons and enemy shows up
>Grey Knights show up to investigate daemon fuckery, clash with enemy army that's already there

It's not hard to think of a reason for people to fight, nigga

>>55412094
So they're incompetent? Okay, yes. When it comes to the Imperium, I can buy that.

>>55412094
Maybe they think the enemy's skin would make nice anti-daemon hats?

>>55411832
>stop playing what i don't like, said the orkfag
Orkfaggotry is a mental disorder.

>>55412116
Sure. Stupid reasons are pretty easy to shit out on demand.

>>55412057
The story I've heard most often is that they think the enemy has somehow gotten involved with daemons, either wittingly or unwittingly, and need to be purged.

>>55412084
Hellraiser is okay but I think I like the book better for most of the aspects of the plot, but I think it fits Dark Eldar better. Also I haven't actually seen Event Horizon.

>>55412057
7E already establish that GK fighting Daemon posessed xenos/other forces was commonplace, even gave rules for it. In addition, you're seriously telling me that GK can't clash with another force in the area that was also fighting Daemons? And that GK don't deal with CSM regularly? You're retarded.

>>55411808
IRON WITHIN, IRON WITHOUT!

faggot

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>>55412120
>under estimating the trickery of chaos

Enjoy your chaos corruption, heretic.

>>55412130
Enemy commander is suspected to be possessed.

Does anyone have a PDF something with all the official GW and FW transfer sheets?

>>55412164
I do.

>>55412120
>non-chaos forces getting possessed by chaos never happens
(You)

You know, I'm ok with the infiltrator nerf. One less attack isn't as bad as it could've been and atleast they didn't get rid of the infiltrate rule.

What really pisses me off is that we don't get any new units. I was hoping for a cheap HQ choice. GW didn't have to even think that hard for it, an Alpha Primus with the stats of a commissar is all I asked for, and yet the only thing they changed in the codex was giving electro priests small buffs and needing infiltrators even worse.
Atleast AdMech players can't be accused of being WAAC fags aside from spamming kastelans.

>>55412168
Or something

>>55412136
This is the kind of asshole that complains about how illogical it is to have Bowser racing cars with Mario.

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>>55411938
Hell yeah.

>>55412173
Enginseers are HQs now. There's your cheap HQ choice.

I need new vanilla Chaos Marine models and I need them now

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>>55411938

>>55412173
>What really pisses me off is that we don't get any new units.

You had literally no reason to expect you would.

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>>55411938
Post cet with GK codex to annoy angry autist

>>55412186
Greenstuff + vanilla Marines

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>>55412084
>guard
made me chuckle

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>>55411938
Mojo. On a unrelated note, got the DG codex,,any questions?

>>55412231
Is there any part of it that isn't unholy broken out the ass?

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Luna

I'm interested in how factions with specific subfaction hqs will look. Like Imotekh goes with Sautekh. Farsight goes with and only buffs Enclaves, while Longstrike only buffs T'au. The sept.

Subfactions for those guys will be much more interesting cause they have multiple subfaction characters with unique buffing rules. Admech has just the one.
Like for example, Longstrike locked to one sept means regardless of the CT his sept is intrinsically tank centered. While Imotekhs dynasty will naturally have Flayed one uniqueness pre CT.
Makes me excited for them cause they'll all be more exciting codices with subfactions more uniquer than paint and CT. Not even touching stratagems

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Changed my white, what do you guys think

>>55412231
scan when?

>>55412243
Not him but I've seen talk of the new DG terminator unit with fly aura akin to Mortarion, so a 2+ 4+ 5+ I believe

>>55412267
The pink could use a little highlighting.

>>55412267
Looks like a Deathwing flew too close to Mortarion - I like it.

>>55412049
Admech, brother. We aren't as openly powerful as other armies, but if you play it right we're the best on the field, hands down.

And tabletop aside (as fluctuations in rules make that a temporary thing), it's just the better damn army. Truly we are the last grimdark army, the best models, the coolest lore, the most fun aesthetic, literally the most /your dudes/ faction. gloria Mechanicum

>>55412243
The spine is intact, the covers are solid, and the pages are thick and glossy. I'd say it's a solid codex. Units work alright on their own and can even be devastating in small 2-unit combos, but things seem like they could snowball if you can get everything in placewith Moration and some buffs. But I'll be waiting for the full release to buy anything else.

>>55412282
I said "isn't broken".

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>>55412282

>>55411817
Honestly, I doubt it. The closest thing to sneaky that sisters get is ambushing Seraphim on people.

>>55412267
It's a bit too bright.. and you didn't wait for the wash to dry.. You didn't prime the model with the back bit separate did you

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>>55411938

>>55412261
Farsight will have CQB niche natively before CTs and whatnot. Differentiating it quite a bit from tank sept. So your armies vary by more than what you thought was the best CT
Snikrot does something similar for his Klan

>>55411887
What chapter is that. Looks sort of like the BR scheme, but not quite.

>>55412308
>>55412310
It's not broken really, unit size and the fact that AP is standard issue on most wargear means they still go down to dedicated fire, especially starting at S6

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>>55412295
Plus if we ally with any other Imperium army it is nothing but a pure boost to both sides.

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>>55412347
Woah wait, bright ? This is what my scheme used to be, this new stuff is way darker. It was primed as a whole.

>>55411951

They work with the inquisition often, however.

Sequential turns are starting to bore me.

>>55412274
Maybe tomorrow, but don't count on it. I have to go buy a chainsaw, courtesy of Irma.

>>55412179
Well it doesn't make any sense! Why would Bowser ever even fight Grey Knights?!

>>55412373
As in it lacks depth, it's over saturated. The bellboy looks dipped honestly but you did a good job of cleaning up the armor. The cloak absolutely needs a thrice over though

>>55412392
Game theory
Is bowser actually a daemon???????

>>55412379

Explain.

>>55412382
Rip, good luck getting everything back in good shape.

Always appreciate a scanon, so ty.

>>55412049
Don't play death guard unless you want to be your lgs' local fun police. DG is only fun to play against if the dude has no idea how to play that army/ they like fluffy stuff. All of the DG players at my lgs are WAAC fags that only lose to other WAAC fags.

>>55412425

WAAC?

>>55412407
1. They create scenarios where the game is won or lost by the seize roll.
2. They result in a whole lot of time with my thumb up my ass.

>>55412434
Win at all costs, basically a try hard who picks the most effective army of the month to always win.

>>55412434
Win At All Cost. People who take the game too seriously.

>>55412434
Win at all costs. People who put winning over fun.

>>55412434
Win at all costs, basically they're a kind of strong army, and anon is salty that he lost.

Don't worry about it.

>>55412295
>but if you play it right we're the best on the field, hands dow
Got any suggestions? So far, my only ideas are an electro-priest bum rush or a massive gun line supported by Cawl.

>>55412444

So you'd like the movement/shooting phases to be kind of a back and forth like melee is (minus the charges, obviously)?

Epic 40k was like that if I remember correctly. I was a little kid at the time though so I mostly missed out on it.

>>55412379
Then play a different game m8

>>55412434
Win at all costs. The guy who brings super heavies to a non-apocalypse game.

>>55412425
what do your lgs guys run in their DG?

>>55412444
>positioning that badly
>can't socialize during a game
What a failure.

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Did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth Plague Marine The Wise?

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>>55412425
>tfw people keep asking me why I'm using NL rules
Fucker maybe it's because I play night lords not alpha legion. Take your -1 hit and shove it up your ass.

>>55412488
>I'm overcosted as shit.
End if story.

>>55412488

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tLf1JO5bvE

>>55411808
It's like playing IG, without having to paint guardsmen

>>55411986
This.

>>55412488
Ironic
He plays death guard, but they cannot be killed

>>55412483
>thinking first turn advantage is all about positioning in the alpha strike meta.

I would socialize with people that I'm playing with but they spend most of their turns autistically measuring things and asking for quiet.
>>55412469
Yes, that would be great. Alternate moving in the move phase, etc. It would be way more interactive.

Hey TG i need some advice. I'm trying to edge highlight tonight but my paint keeps drying up super fast. Like I get maybe 4 strokes before the paint pretty much stops coming off my brush. Anyone got any ancient chinese secrets on how to keep my paints nice and moist? I might go buy some paint medium tomorrow but I wanted to get shit done noooow.

>>55412475
Heavy shooty army with morty. They try and get as many mortal wounds off as possible.

>>55412379
Play AoS, their turns aren't sequential.

>>55412406
The Mushroom Kingdom is a daemon world.

>>55412534
Yeah, there's an advantage, if it's deciding your games outright it's because you didn't prepare for the only way people play these days.

>>55412534
Alternating activations would open up a lot of interesting design space too.

>>55412521
Nonono.
Ironic, he could guard himself from death, but not others.

>>55412549
how have they been using morty if the codex and model have been pretty sealed up until this week?

>>55412534
>willingly plays with autists
Don't.

>>55412560
The more I think about this, why isn't 40k like this already. It seems so obviously better that even get should have realized it.

>>55412568
They don't, this guy didn't even play, he just likes shitting on his perception of the meta via BoLS.

>>55412373
>Argax Earthshade pooling on apron.

>>55412560
Alternating activations would encourage you to put as many points into one unit as possible to have as many points act before the opponent does. That's not that different from the 4 drop lists we're seeing now.

>>55412560

Could have something like:

Companion: After an X unit activates, you may activate this unit rather than handing off to the other player. Another unit may not use companion directly after this activation.

So a medic/buff guy could move up at the same time as the unit he's working with.

>>55412568
Proxy and a leaked codex. Some how they got a copy and share it between themselves.

>>55412585
It's not designed for competitive play, even if they support it. They want a system that requires less back and forth and bookkeeping.

>>55412593
If it isn't any worse than what we have now, and better in other ways, isn't it still a net improvement?

>>55412593
This.

>>55412594
Or a debuff:

>Flash bang. G1d6. A non vehicle unit hot by this weapon must be chosen to shoot or fight last by it's owner this phase, if it hasn't already been chosen.

>>55412425
I've played a Nurgle-themed army since 2nd Edition. I'm not packing them up because of a few whiners.

>>55412593
Do people not play objectives? Also, having one big unit as opposed to a. Bunch of smaller units isn't an advantage when you're forced to only shoot at a unit of like 5 dudes because you opponent has 6 more behind it in cover

>>55412619
It is worse in other ways.

>>55412619
I would say that it isn't an improvement, because right now you can build you list two way: 1. as few drops as possible to chance it and go for first turn OR 2. say fuck it and take advantage of the benefits of MSU. If we go with alternating activations then the second way to list build is less viable than before and everyone will go with the minimum number of drops list.

>>55412674
Such as?

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Is there any situation in which fielding a superheavy/lord of war is justified in a casual setting?

I feel gross fielding my baneblade in my steel legion army, despite the baneblade being my favourite unit in this entire game...

but then I see every ultramarine player dropping guillman every chance they get.

So if you're playing fluffy, do you think it's justifiable, or is it more fair to make sure your opponent is alright with it beforehand?

>>55412544
use a wet pallet

>>55412544
>TG
stop

>>55412682
Slow as fuck turns, bookkeeping, etc.

>>55412678
Why is MSU a problem with AA?

>>55412666
>forced to only shoot at a unit of like 5 dudes
Not the issue that it used to be now that split fire is a thing.

>>55412659

The SOB Faith Powers would be easy to make mechanically work with it.

The Passion: After this unit activates, activate it again before handing control to the other player.

>>55412682
There are games where interruptive play is fun, but at 40k's scale it'd just be a mess. They'd have to do stricter force orgs and do block activation.

>>55412710
In b4
>but redesigning the entire game to fit my idea is STRICTLY better!

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>>55412685
When it comes to me, I only field my Scythed Hierodule for special occasion games. Multi-person vs. multi-person, especially big games, stuff like that. I also usually tell the person beforehand.

However, if douche bags will be douche bags with Guilliman, anything is fair game.

>>55411771
All it needs is a price drop, or a 4+ invul save. Psychic overload should be either 1 mortal wound per D6 units within "6, or D6 mortal wounds on one unit on one unit within 6

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>>55412362
They're some OC donut steel loyalist TS made from the recovered geneseed Cawl used. Also gonna convert a cybernetic punished snake 30k Magnus to run as Guilliman next week.

Worth getting some CHAD MARINES for a new Ultra Marine army?
I have some dreadnoughts Preds Terminators and rhinos

>>55412708

It's something that happens a lot in Malifaux with rats (Very cheap mooks). The other guy can take a heap of them and declare they'll activate whenever he needs to activate.

By the end, he's got all his real heavy hitters moving uninterrupted/without you able to move to counter them because you've moved with everything already.

>>55412708
The relative costs have changed. Imagine that you know you're going to go second, because of that you want your troops split into multiple small units causing your opponent to waste firepower each time he overkills a unit. This also allows you to play the objects and spread across the map better.

Now imagine that instead each turn you get to activate one of your units after he activates his first. We if you're already getting that activation ahead of what you were going to get before then you might as well make it a better activation. So you make that unit a little bigger. Same with the next unit for the next activation, and so on. Ultimately, it is a more even playing field, because it strictly improves the chances of the player who goes second, but the incentives it creates for army construction leaves less list diversity.

Right now the player with first turn and the player with second turn have two different optimization strategies, but moving to an alternating activation system leaves only the one optimization strategy and thus less list diversity.

>>55412330
What do you think the scout move Dominions make is?

>>55412593

I think the way to make alternating activations work would be by combining the shooting and fighting phase into a new phase called the "engagement phase" where all fighting happens at the same time.

So for example, you take turns moving, positioning your men, casting your psychic powers. Then in the engagement phase both players declare who their units are going to attack and then you both roll your dice based on the units current strength.

Units can declare an engagement against multiple targets, but must split up their fire power accordingly. This allows big death star units to either zero in on a single target or spread their fire out, while also allowing MSU type armies to try and focus fire down the death stars.

>>55412790

Oh and to be clear, you wouldn't remove models slain until the end of the engagement phase and everyone is done attacking.

>>55412790
Holy shit you suck at game design.

>>55412798
>I love pointless bookkeeping and cluttered gameplay.
Neck.

>>55412173
Infiltrators got even worse? How?

>>55412831
He's referring to the -1 A from the FAQ

>>55412754
sweet looking model

>>55412756
Aggressors, Inceptors and Hellblasters are all pretty good. I've heard good things about Reivers as well. The various HQ aren't bad so long as you're okay with them having to walk or buy a Repulsor.

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>>55412751
The fact that it gets a 5++ despite being a better version of the Zoanthrope which has a 3++ and is only able to manifest one power is what bothers me the most.

>>55412544
Use a bigger brush. Tiny brushes hold less moisture and have more surface area so they dry out faster.

>>55412662
If you play your army for fun, don't stop playing. Just don't be an ass and WAAC.

I played a game a while ago where me and a friend played against a poxwalker army. That was the funniest game I've had in a while.

Rules: choose one infantry unit, one HQ, and one transport. (AdMech can choose a single kastelan with a datasmith.) If the transport is surrounded with the HQ inside, attacker wins.

Objective: survive

Narrative: your dudes send a kill team to see why a hive world went dark. Turns out, all the civilians were turned into poxwalkers and your dudes need to survive until turn (X).

Defender win conditions: HQ survives until turn (X)

Attacker win condition: kill HQ before turn (X)

>>55412854
Would it be better to get a Chad Captain or a Cap on bike?
I hear that Ultra bikes are really good.

ruin a unit with 1 point stat change!
>guilliman: +1W
>baneblade: -1T
>genestealers: -1 invulnerable save
>conscripts: +1 PPM
>hormagaunts: -1A
>ravager: -1BS

>>55411800
Any tips or ideas for the conversion would be appreciated.

>>55412754
Cool, nice model by the way.

>>55412685
I don't field or play against LOWs in games 2000 points or under, unless it was discussed beforehand

I also rarely play games over 2000 points.

>>55412869
IG Veterans -1BS

>>55412869
>Ruststalkers: -1A
:^)

>>55412869
Deathwing Knights: -1A

>>55412869
>adding a wound makes Guilliman worse
The current character targeting rules are retarded. It should be based off base size not wounds.

>>55412869
>conscripts
>BS6+

>>55412869
Plague Marines: -1T

>>55412685
The only people who complain about super heavies are yards who don't know how to focus fire.
Shit, three onagers with N-lasers can cripple a knight first turn if they all manage a hit.

>>55412906
>t. failed 1st grade english

>>55412924

My Sisters love to see a superheavy on the other side of the board. It puts my Dominions in a fantastic mood.

>>55412899
You can't ruin what's already ruined.

>>55412929
>Conscripts go from 5+ to 6+
>This is somehow not a one point change
?????????

>>55412929
>BS6+ isn't a one point stat change for conscripts.

>>55412800
>>55412813

Haha damn I didn't think it was that bad. In my defense I was mostly trying to come up with a mechanic where it wouldn't be harder for units to be deleted before you even got a single chance to use them. I also didn't think marking the amount of wounds a unit took with dice would be that difficult.

>>55412868
Depends what you're going to use them for, to babysit a gunline and protect them from deep strikes Chadcap does well, if you want someone to lead an attack Ultramarine bikes are good for hit and run.

Remember when /tg/ was freaking out about how good the Admech codex was because of the Mars post? Good times.

>>55413019
A week or so from now people will realise that the Ad Mech Codex has settled firmly into the solid tier where it should be, but yeah they're doing their usual "TOO OP/TOO WEAK" flailing now.

>>55412869
How about breaking a unit doing the same thing?
>Guilliman/magnus +1 invul

>>55413060
Legion of the Damned +1W

>>55413060
>Any model with a storm shield: +1 invul

>>55412111
I must have missed this. Where was this admech trait revelaed? Which forge world is it?

>>55412772
Literally a scout move. They're not being sneaky about it. They're driving their flamethrower tanks forward, often blasting hymns from loud speakers.

>>55412298
This was a great response. Just wanted you to know I would suck your cock.

>>55413084
winterseo did a review of the whole book on youtube, he goes page by page.

>>55412855
I thought it either manifests 2 psychic powers, one which has to be smite, OR psychic overload. Completely agree with the inv save being retarded, it's literally a Super zoanthrope but somehow has a way shittier save?

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>>55413117
Nope. It only has one cast, which can either be Smite, your chosen power, or forgo either of those for PO. It's really fucking bad.

>>55413060
>Genestealer +1 invul
>deathshroud terminators +1 W
>ork boyz +1 bs

>>55413060
>OOE +1T

>>55413060
>landraider +1T

Tau boys, any thoughts on <Septs>
Enclaves is the most noteworthy and has the most unique characters. So I dunno how GW will work it in. There are more Enclaves characters than non Enclaves Tau characters.

>>55413260
One will get -1 hit
One will get reroll charges
One will get reroll moral
One will get ignores cover
One will get advance and shoot rapid

Anyone got the Death Guard Epub yet? I wanna convert it.

>>55413277
You forgot the biggest one.
Reroll against buildings

>>55413295

That's part of ignoring cover because their guns are gooderer

>>55413277
>One will get reroll moral
Kinda pointless when bonding knife ritual exists. sasuga, GW, just what you'd expect from the master.

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>>55411763

>>55413306
And now you get TWO chances at getting that 6! There are people out there with -1 hit who don't even get to to ONE moral save. Stop being so selfish.

>Duncan's favourite factions include Farsight Enclaves.
You, or the multiple yous that lick blue ethereal taint. Suck it down

I'd like to start a CSM army; should I go World Eaters, or take a look to new Death Guard?

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>>55413327
>Separatists

>>55413334
World Eaters are likely to get their own codex eventually, and an army of butchers is awesome. On the other hand, you have a solid army that just came out that looks and plays great. Total preference my man.

>>55413334
Better question: why do you want to start a CSM army? Ask yourself why and pick what matches that why.

>>55413334
DG has a bit more variety right now, but WE are perfectly solid. Their model range is rather dated though.

What would you enjoy painting more?

>>55413347
>looks great
>CADeath Guard

>>55413335
eat it
https://www.reddit.com/r/Grimdank/comments/5so3gl/i_am_duncan_rhodes_ask_me_anything/ddgkvo9/

make sure to wipe your history otherwise big daddy ethereal might kill you

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If I want to run a low model count fast attack Ultra list should I bring bikes or assault squads?
Bikes give +1T but dropping in gives easier point caps.

Anyone have experience running list like these?

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>>55412869
>>55412902

Chaplain dreadnought: +1w
Yncarne: +1w

:^)

>>55413408
To be fair this wouldn't bother me all that much on my Chaplain since with my typical army size(No more than 5 models per 1000 points), he never sits behind anything anyway.

>>55411774

Hey Mr. Tallyman tally me bananas...

>>55413376
I'd say bikes. Bikes usually have issues with getting locked in combat, but with Ultramarine tactics you can basically ignore that.

>>55413425
Still a very strange commentary on character targeting. Should have just been infantry characters within 4" of a unit of other infantry

>>55413437
*non-character infantry

>>55413437
That would make a ton of characters, like DP's and Avatars, absolutely worthless. Shot off the board immediately.

>>55413462
Which already happens to many current characters that are 10w+.

So what do you propose?

Should I field my 10 Interceptors in 2 squads of 5 or 1 big squad of 10?

>>55413467
Make it so that characters can't protect other characters and make certain extremes like Girlyman 10+ wounds. Girlyman for example has a 3+ invuln, he'll be fine even with 10 wounds.

>>55413481
you can combat squad to 2 squads of 5 with either their deployment rules or a stratagem mid game so unless you need the extra troops choices having the versatility of being able to run one big squad is better.

>>55413488
if you make characters like girlyman 10 wounds he will get shot of the board turn 1

>>55413497
Interceptors are an FA slot so I don't really need to fill that up since I'm not running a Brigade. I was thinking of doing 1 big unit of 10 because that would allow me to dish out 40 psybolt shots in a single turn with just 2 command points. Pretty useful if you ask me.

>>55413504
>its the living son of the emperor! See how he towers over his peers! Quick shoot him!
>we can't! There's a bunch of people half his size in the way!

>>55413481
Do you mean Inceptors or Intercessors?

>>55413523
Interceptors, grey knight things. GW has fantastic naming choices /s

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How does this look?

1500pts
HQ
Captain on Bike 115pts
Chainsword, CombiPlasma, Twin Boltgun
Santic Halo

Librarian on Bike 148pts
Force Sword, CombiPlasma, Twin Boltgun
Might of Heros, Psychic Scourge

Troops
Tac Sqaud 115pts
Plasma Gun

Tac Sqaud 115pts
Plasma Gun

Fast Attack
Bike Squad 161pts
2 Plasma Gun

Bike Squad 161pts
2 Plasma Gun

Bike Squad 161pts
2 Plasma Gun

Heavy Support
Predator 189pts
Autocannon, 2 Lascannons

Predator 189pts
Autocannon, 2 Lascannons

Transport
Razorback 110pts
Lascannon Twin Plasma Gun

Razorback 110pts
Lascannon Twin Plasma Gun


Thoughts?

>>55413509
i assumed you meant intercessors because inceptors can only come in squads of 6

>>55413514

They really need to give every army some effective snipers. Right now a lot of forces can't take out characters for shit without wading through the entire enemy army to get to them. Even if they don't all come in the form of literal snipers.

Like they could give the SOB an alternate fire mode for the Exorcist:

Pilgrim Seeker Volley: Heavy 1d6 Str 6 AP -2 D2 - Divine Accuracy (Ignores penalties to hit and can target characters as if it was a sniper weapon)

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>>55412135
>Posting an image means you play an army

>>55413550
Doesn't change the fact that you're an autistic "stop liking what I don't like" fuckwit.

>>55413534
How good in melee are those bikes?

>>55412267
Freebleed

Thoughts on a 1k thousand sons list? I want to get 1k points before xmas but im a little unsure of how to do it. It's hard considering how expensive rubrics are and i wanted to fit a vehicle in there because i am expecting to be up against a ig army belonging to a friend
++ Battalion Detachment +3CP (Chaos - Thousand Sons) [53 PL, 1000pts] ++

+ HQ +

Ahriman on Disc of Tzeentch [10 PL, 166pts]

Sorcerer in Terminator Armour [8 PL, 156pts]: Combi-bolter, Force stave

+ Troops +

Tzaangors [4 PL, 70pts]: 9x Tzaangor w/ Tzaangor Blades
. Twistbray: Tzaangor blades

Tzaangors [4 PL, 70pts]: 9x Tzaangor w/ Tzaangor Blades
. Twistbray: Tzaangor blades

Tzaangors [4 PL, 70pts]: 9x Tzaangor w/ Tzaangor Blades
. Twistbray: Tzaangor blades

+ Elites +

Scarab Occult Terminators [13 PL, 266pts]
. Scarab Occult Sorcerer: Force stave, Inferno Combi-bolter
. Terminator: Inferno Combi-bolter, Powersword
. Terminator: Inferno Combi-bolter, Powersword
. Terminator: Inferno Combi-bolter, Powersword
. Terminator w/ Heavy Weapon: Hellfyre Missile Rack, Power sword, Soulreaper Cannon

+ Heavy Support +

Chaos Predator [10 PL, 202pts]: Twin lascannon
. Two lascannons: 2x Lascannon

++ Total: [53 PL, 1000pts] ++

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>>55411833

>>55413549
Exactly! We need sniper railguns and sniper lascanons and sniper wraithcanons so every army can ignore the character rule on turn one and every buff from every army disappear and we only can play the most point efficient standard statline of every army. Good plan.

srsly wtf?!

>>55413590

Honestly, the statline given there would be worse than just throwing more ratlings at the problem most of the time.

>>55413549

If you make it so you can just obliterate characters before just going to take a bare minimum cheapest possible HQ choice to fulfill criteria and then they're just going to spam more fucking units.

If you want that kind of shit go play historicals or warmaster.

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+++ Eldar TAC v2 (Warhammer 40,000 8th Edition) [109 PL, 1994pts] +++

+ HQ +

Irillyth [8 PL, 160pts]

Warlock Skyrunner [5 PL, 87pts]: Twin Shuriken Catapult, Witchblade

+ Troops +

Rangers [5 PL, 100pts]: 5x Ranger

Rangers [5 PL, 100pts]: 5x Ranger

Corsair Skyreaver Band [6 PL, 107pts]
. . Corsair Skyreaver Felarch: Brace of Pistols, Shardcarbine, Void Sabre
. . Skyreaver w/ Heavy Weapon: Brace of Pistols, Dark Lance
. . 3x Skyreaver w/ Shardcarbine: 3x Brace of Pistols

Corsair Skyreaver Band [6 PL, 105pts]
. . Corsair Skyreaver Felarch: Brace of Pistols, Shardcarbine, Void Sabre
. . Skyreaver w/ Heavy Weapon: Brace of Pistols, Dark Lance
. . 3x Skyreaver w/ Shardcarbine: 3x Brace of Pistols

+ Elites +

Shadow Spectres [6 PL, 73pts]
. . 2x Shadow Spectre: 2x Prism Rifle
. . Shadow Spectre Exarch: Prism Rifle

Shadow Spectres [6 PL, 73pts]
. . 2x Shadow Spectre: 2x Prism Rifle
. . Shadow Spectre Exarch: Prism Rifle

Shadow Spectres [6 PL, 73pts]
. . 2x Shadow Spectre: 2x Prism Rifle
. . Shadow Spectre Exarch: Prism Rifle

+ Fast Attack +

Shining Spears [14 PL, 218pts]
. . 4x Shining Spear: 4x Laser Lance, 4x Twin Shuriken Catapult
. . Shining Spear Exarch: Star Lance, Twin Shuriken Catapult

Wasp Assault Walkers [6 PL, 140pts]
. . Wasp Assault Walker: Aeldari Missile Launcher, Aeldari Missile Launcher

Corsair Cloud Dancer Band [7 PL, 141pts]
. . 3x Cloud Dancer w/ Dark Lance: 3x Brace of Pistols, 3x Dark Lance

+ Heavy Support +

Night Spinner [9 PL, 175pts]: Spirit Stones, Twin Shuriken Catapult

+ Flyer +

Hemlock Wraithfighter [10 PL, 221pts]: Spirit Stones

Hemlock Wraithfighter [10 PL, 221pts]: Spirit Stones

>>55413549
>>55413514

Hahaha lil niggas cant HANDLE this shit hahahhahah yall gonna cry too? Haha bitchnoggAH

>>55413602

Killing random characters isn't the problem because random characters don't warp the game. It's dealing with shit like commissars and Girlyman.

>>55413599
that's my point. we just DON'T need more powerful sniper weapons.

what i don't need is lose my autarch or company commander or other soft targets because there are two models with especially powerful sniper weapons on the table.

mighty aura chars who abusing the char ruleis one thing. but this answer it NOT multiple sniper rocket launchers!

>>55413606
>coarsairs
>shadow specters
> 2 hemlocks
fuck off waac fag

>>55411836
Summoning doesn't require you to stay still, it just requires you to give up their movement.
Disembarking models count as moving but they haven't actually moved and can do so freely after disembarking which they can give up for summoning.
>units can then act normally

>>55413165
Deathshroud are shit right now. 2 wounds for 75 points a pop is garbage even with their saves.

>inb4 50 bolters to kill one!!

No ones going to be using bolters against them.

>>55413627
Well, they're not using ynnari, and that's a pretty small number of actual models for 2k. Not as Waac as it might look

>>55413590

It would, barely, kill a commissar on average. 31 points killed by the full shooting phase of a 160 point model and that's one of the most fragile characters in the game.

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>>55412005
>soldiers of the hereticus inquisitors

Adeptus Ministorum

>>55413626

That's a less powerful sniper per point than ratlings. That and it was purely hypothetical, a vague 'Sniper (Rule) models for every army would be good, even if they are not sniper (Weapon)'

The counterpoint to you wanting to not lose your Autach is people wanting it to be possible to kill him without wading through your entire army because you are not one of the few forces with half decent snipers.

>>55413647
you realise the whole point of a aura char is they upvalue the units around them. the 31 points model with an aura is NOT worth 31 points at any time. and then it's suddenly effective to shoot it with a exorcist if it debuffs 100 conscripts.

>>55413646
Corsairs are cancer and so are you, just make them Ynnari so you be the massive faggot you want to be.

>>55413657
>That's a less powerful sniper per point than ratlings.
Then there is no need for more or mightier sniper weapons...
Just use ratlings. I seems they're more powerful anyway.

>>55413679

Alternatively: People might want options, rather than having to bring imperial guard to serve anti-character roles.

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Admech artifact.

>>55413665

Mind you, Commisar's morale rules are fucking cancer right now. They are seriously underpriced at 31 points.

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>>55413677
>5+ save infantry that costs more ppm than dire avengers
>cancer

Ok Reece, you can fuck off back to FLG, there are adults talking here

>>55413665
And you realise I can take more than one?
For that many points I can take a whole vanguard detachment of them.
Three commissars and a company commander for 135 points, boom, the perfect conshits support package.

Meanwhile your "sniper" is struggling to kill one guy a turn.

>>55413692

I think the Red Axe might be miswritten, unless we've got some weird Str 1, AP -5 weapon.

>>55413691
Yes. That's fair. Every army should can (that sounds wrong) take sniper weapons. But not in fire modes that can take out TEQ or tanks if there are not enemy chars available.

>>55413710
so you want more and more powerful sniper weapons to take out robbie and the resulting imbalance can be countered with "one can just take more squishy chars"?!

thank god, you're not designing rules

>>55413718
Probably missing the >+

>>55413708
reckelss abandon and bace of pistols are the most faggoty forgeworld bullshit and so are you, just because just because you dont understand how 30 poison shots that rend is gay as fuck doesnt meant they are bad

>>55413739
>But not in fire modes that can take out TEQ or tanks if there are not enemy chars available.

You might not want to look at the Tau codex.

>>55413751
What's your point? Because T'au have those? So what? My point still stands then: T'au should not have those...

>>55413739
Lel, nice strawman. When did I say anything about more power sniper weapons?

I'm mocking your half arsed attempts attempts to make more sniper weapons
>b-but you just want to ruin the game!
Typical sisters player.

>>55413755

So snipers should only exist in boltgun or lasgun form?

>>55413744
It's a single die for the whole unit. Meaning 1 to 6 shots for all 5 models. Or is your reading comprehension that poor?

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>>55413612
Ultramarines players, everybody.

>>55413760
>Typical sisters player.

Umm...I think you are insulting the person insulting the person who came up with the hypothetical statline.

>>55411774
The last pencil in the galaxy

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>>55411938

>>55413782
>whiney
>emotive argments
>umm... I totally, like, think
No, you're a sisters player. If you're not already then I'd suggest you get snipped and change armies.

>>55413760
I don't know what your whole point is. Because it's anon. You just came and argue against me, while I was arguing against a sniper exorcist fire mode and also against more powerful sniper weapons in general.
I'm an AM player.

>>55413763
Yes. Sniper weapons against characters. Without the annihilating-the-char-from-100%-hp-with-a-lucky-six.

>>55413782
Yes. He did.

>>55413751
Except Tau don't?

>>55411976
God those are sexy

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>Dragoons get +2 to hit rolls from Conqueror Imperative due to their data-tether
>Now generate 3 hits on 4+

Add in the fact that Taser Lances are now AP -1 I think I'll be running my dragoons more often.

>>55413764
>>55413744
In case you have a local corsair player you is as retarded as your hate is irrational, relevant rules quote:
"When firing this weapon, roll once to determine how many shots all models in the unit will fire in a given phase"

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>>55413826
*who is

Autocorrect is damn awful

>>55413804

>Yes. Sniper weapons against characters. Without the annihilating-the-char-from-100%-hp-with-a-lucky-six.

For the same price, you could just get multiple snipers. I'm 100% ok with very powerful snipers as long as they are priced appropriately. Otherwise snipers will all end up very samey (Hordes of guys with weak guns)

>>55413821
Pretty much, yeah. And I'm upset because I was stupid and built them with the sniper rifle.

>>55413787
Bullshit. The whole damn Imperium uses pencils. Ball-points are probably evil AI monsters.

>>55412018

Take the warlord trait my nigga.

>>55413764
Each model has a brace of pistols and you roll for the number of shots each of those generate when they shoot with one dice like you do with d-scythes and wraithguard.

>>55413845
Snipers won't be as much fun, but combine them with the other imperative to offset their -1 to hit from moving and make them hit on 2+ they can be a decent mobile sniper.

>>55413864
Yep, but only en masse. One of them won't do much, you pretty much need a unit of three. The lance version, on the other hand, can poke Venoms and stuff like them to death on its own.

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>>55413708

Anyone got the Death Guard Epub yet? I wanna convert it.

>>55413863
Read the actual weapon rules text reprinted in this post. Anyone claiming d6 per model is a retard
>>55413826

In my dream, the Tyranids won the octarius system after some Ork warlords were assassinated

No idea why I had the dream, don't care much for either army.

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>>55413568